Toyota 4x4 digest:      Wednesday, March 25 1998      Volume 01 : Number 789
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GPS question
Ordered TRD Supercharger
windshield leak
Re: windshield leak
Backspacing & Lifts (Conflicting Info.)
Factory Valve Clearances
Good Samaritan?
Parts Wanted plus performace parts info
Re: Swapping idea (not chevy related ;)
Re: 'jerry' can alternative
Re: 'jerry' can alternative
unstickin'    Re: Pismo policies...
Re: Good Samaritan?
Ford 302 Swap
22RE Headers
Re: Mystery gasket found in radiator???
"NATO" can versus the "Jerry" can
Re: Swapping idea
Re: GPS Question
Re: Backspacing & Lifts (Conflicting Info.)
Foryota in my 4 runner
'jerry' can alternative
Tranny for V8 swap.
Re: GPS Question
Re: 'jerry' can alternative
Snorkel effects
RE: Foryota in my 4 runner
85 4Runner pricing
Re: Factory Valve Clearances
Re: motor swaps....
RE: Pismo Beach
'94 Toyota 4x4 pick-up For Sale
Re: Snorkel effects
Bio
RE: HEADDER PROBLEM SOLVED
re: GPS Question
Re: GPS Question
4Runner Cover Top
Re: 4Runner Cover Top/Tailgate
Chevota axles
Re: Ordered TRD Supercharger
Question For All. . .
Re: Question For All. . .
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Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 15:18:13 -0800
From: "Allen Jensen" 
Subject: GPS question
I have noticed that some of you have GPS systems. How much have you found
that you actually use it? I found a unit on sale, but I don't think it is
strong enough to really be used. How much of a difference is there in the
ability of the different models to triangulate signals? How long does it
normally take for a typical unit to lock into the signals and start
tracking?
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 03:32:31 -0800 (PST)
From: chou@seas.ucla.edu (Nicholas An-Kuo Chou)
Subject: Ordered TRD Supercharger
I ordered the TRD Supercharger for my 97 4Runner Lim last week.  The
first batch has been
sold out before they got to TRD in Costa Mesa, CA.  I'm waiting for
the next one.  Anyone have one installed?  How was the installation?
Hard or easy?
Nick
chou@seas.ucla.edu
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 08:06:06 -0600
From: David Soh 
Subject: windshield leak
I have a bad leak in the left lower corner of my '86 stock 4X4 pickup. How
do you take out the trim out to get at the source of the leak? The auto
parts store suggest using silicone to plug the leak. Are there any other
product, preferable more 'fluid' than the thick silicone so that it can
just flow into the source of the leak ? Thanks for any help.
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 07:27:29 -0700
From: Rob Boyle 
Subject: Re: windshield leak
David Soh wrote: Are there any other
> product, preferable more 'fluid' than the thick silicone so that it can
> just flow into the source of the leak ? Thanks for any help.
>
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I found silicone seaeler just for windshields that was made to flow into
cracks etc. got it at NAPA
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Rob Boyle 85 4runner
el cheapo 33-12.5's
el cheapo  4WPW 4" lift (3" on right side after sag)
4.88 gears with EZ lockers F&R
RTI so poor it wasn't worth doing the math
New 5" alcans for the front on order!!
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 08:35:33 -0600
From: "Jones, Travis" 
Subject: Backspacing & Lifts (Conflicting Info.)
I have written to few on the list about backspacing.  I have a
trailmaster 4" suspension lift with 15x10 ARE outlaws II with 33x12.5's
mounted. I have grown to hate my tires sticking out so far from the
wheel wells.  I now know I can get 33x9.5's in the same tire I prefer.
So I wanted to get some 15x7's with stock backspacing and would know
that the tires would fit under the wheel wells, completely.
However, a few have said that it would not work because the stock
backspacing wouldn't work with the lift.  It's been a few years since I
put the lift on and I had a buddy(who is a mechanic) help me.  He had
lifted his toy a year earlier (that's how I got the idea).  Anyway, I
had a memory flashback that when he lifted his truck with the same lift
(TM 4") he drove for quite a few months with his stock 15x7 factory SR5
rims with the stock 31x10.5's before he could afford to get 15x10 ARE's
and 33x12.5's.  He had no problem with the lift and stock rims, that was
one reason we chose TM lift was it didn't change the stock suspension at
all it just lowered it and the differential.
So, my question is has anyone else out there used trailmaster lifts and
ran stock rims?  I know he ran the stock rims but have gotten
conflicting information from people on the list.  So now I am second
guessing my own knowledge.  If they will work I would then be in the
market to get some factory SR5 rims.  Thanks in advance. Reply to list
or travis.jones@wilcom.com
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:43:10 -0500 (EST)
From: Eli Madden 
Subject: Factory Valve Clearances
Somebody on the Four Wheeler Toyota Bulletin Board has been claiming that
it is ok to adjust valves a little tight, "for less noise, more power,
better fuel efficiency".
Now, I know that this isn't right and that it can burn your valves.
He claims that Toyotas come from the factory with the valves set around
.007/.011 Intake/Exhaust. Comments?
Also, I pointed out that valves too tight won't fully seat in the head and
burn. Someone pointed out that if there is ANY clearance the valve is
fully seating. This kinda makes sense? I know the DURATION would be less
then. But someone else pointed out that aftermarket cams change the
duration anyways.
Basically, I'm afraid someone is spreading bad information and I'd like
some good ammo to stop them.
The URL for the four wheeler toyota bb is
http://www.fourwheeler.com/boards/tech/toyota/index.html
Thanks, hopefully we can save someone from hurting their Toy.
Eli Madden
Middlebury, Vermont
'83 SR5 Shortbed 4x4 w/ 31s and '87 22R Rebuilt Myself
eli@computeralt.com
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:59:39 -0500
From: Ed.Wong@astramerck.com
Subject: Good Samaritan?
Rob Ditusa  asked:
Any idea of the reason why you can't be a nice guy and offer help??
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Im no laywer - but I think it may be to protect *both* parties
in the event of an accident.
I recall a story no long ago posted here with respect to a
*welded* tow hook being torn off and launched through
someone's window. What would happen if someone got hurt
by that projectile?
If person "A" is stuck and asks "B" for help and then the
axle gets torn off - "A" cant do much - he *asked* for help.
If person "A" is stuck and "B" comes over and starts helping
and the axle gets torn off - "A" can sue "B" and probably
WIN the case. This is because "A" didnt ask for assistance.
I DO NOT AGREE WITH THE ABOVE - I am merely stating that
I think that's how it would play out in court.
I think that "A" is an a%#h*&^ for suing to begin with,
but that does not change the belief that he would win.
EWong
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:23:18 -0500
From: beav1108dc@ACCESS-K12.org
Subject: Parts Wanted plus performace parts info
Hey guys  I wailed a big dog on my way to work and killed the poor thing
and long story short I need a front bumper for a '88 2wd short bed
(non-crome, but it'll work I think if that's all I can get) Plus any of you
4wd guys want to give me your old 4.10's I'll gladly pay for shipping.
Hedman makes hedders for us guys I got a set, haven't installed em yet,
plus I got a cam from Wolverine Blue Racer I haven't put that in either,
soon though. Any experience with either of these? Thanks guys...
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:13:17 EST
From: DRM033 
Subject: Re: Swapping idea (not chevy related ;)
In a message dated 98-03-25 01:39:58 EST, you write:
> Couple of things to think of. The older frames are not as
>  strong as the newer frames. Frame off are a lot of work.
>  I've done it twice and hope to never again. You'd be better
>  off getting the conversion kit for the 90 frame and run the
>  solid axle on it. A company is making the solid axle
>  conversion pieces needed to solid axle your 90, just look
>  around. Less work, less money in the long run.
I didn't realize that there was a significant strenght difference in the
frames.  As to the solid axle conversion, I will stay away from the conversion
kit, unless it somehow magically drops to about $100 (how much is a kit
anyway?).
I have that Dana 44 laying around, and I will probably put it up front since
it is strong enough and already set up for crossover steering.  It is from a
Wagoneer, so the bolt pattern already matches.  I may end up doing it this
summer if I can find the time.
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David Moore                                DRM033@aol.com
90 Toyota Truck - 4" ProComp, 33" Swampers,4.88's
rear ARB, front LockRite,TJM bumper & Ramsey 8000
 TLCA #5662
 Traxx In Motion 4 Wheel Drive Club
 www.netmatter.com/traxx
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:13:33 EST
From: DRM033 
Subject: Re: 'jerry' can alternative
In a message dated 98-03-25 02:27:49 EST, you write:
> Another option is to do what Chris Collard did, mounted another tank on the
>  other side of the frame from the stock one and rerouted the exhaust, now he
>  can drive like 500 miles on a tank.
>
Same frined that was considering the deisel swap in his Toy ( I mentioned afew
days ago) is considering putting a 360, T18 and, model 20 Jeep stuff in his
Toy.  If so, we were going to install a Jeep gas tank where the spare goes.
Then we would put in a Toy tank with an in tank pump.  We were going to wire
the Toy tank to be switched to feed into the Jeep tank so you don't have to
deal with sending units & other switching kits.  That would give 15 gal Jeep
tank, and a 15 gal. Toy tank.  With a 360 he will probably need it!
I just hope that 360 will fit in there...
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David Moore                                DRM033@aol.com
90 Toyota Truck - 4" ProComp, 33" Swampers,4.88's
rear ARB, front LockRite,TJM bumper & Ramsey 8000
 TLCA #5662
 Traxx In Motion 4 Wheel Drive Club
 www.netmatter.com/traxx
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:13:29 EST
From: DRM033 
Subject: Re: 'jerry' can alternative
In a message dated 98-03-25 02:26:40 EST, you write:
>
>  What mag?  I'd like to see that..
Try DirtWheels,  know they hava an ad for them.  it is a smallish picture in a
full page ad, kinda like Nation Tire ads.
It would prpbably be easier to just stop by your local ATV shop and look there
for some firsthand info.
>  >As to places to put tanks, consider under the truck.  Since a 33" won't
fit
>  >iunder the bed,
>
>  I have a 33" swamper (actually 33.7") under my truck, but the longbeds
might
>  have more storage..
Since I have the Rancho Dual exhaust out one side, the exhaust is in the way.
I will have room when this exhaust goes and I replace it in the future.
>  I was thinking of building a rack for waterproof tool storage
>  >(& anything else) that can be lowered by the spare tire mechanism.
>  >
>  Interesting but that lowering mechanism is a pain, I'd just bolt it on.  If
>  you wanted it easy to remove use wingnuts and then lock it up so the
>  wingnuts don't back off and you lose it all.
I was thinking of putting a motor on the chain mechanism, but thought that
would get too complicated.  I will prpbably just salvage a bar type tire
retainer & use a wing nut on that like you said.  For storage, I was
considering PVC with capped & sealed ends, with axles, etc, in them.  Stuff
you don't need except in emergencies.  I was thinking about rust, but if you
pack & store them right, that should not be a problem.
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David Moore                                DRM033@aol.com
90 Toyota Truck - 4" ProComp, 33" Swampers,4.88's
rear ARB, front LockRite,TJM bumper & Ramsey 8000
 TLCA #5662
 Traxx In Motion 4 Wheel Drive Club
 www.netmatter.com/traxx
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:13:34 EST
From: DRM033 
Subject: unstickin'    Re: Pismo policies...
In a message dated 98-03-25 02:50:51 EST, you write:
> I used to go pull people put all day to get a few bucks in high school at
>  Pismo, never asked for money but they usually gave it.  I suppose if you
>  borke something while you were pulling someone it could be your fault but
>  otherwise go for it.  I used to do the same thing in HS up in the snow when
>  the level got real low and people got stuck left and right.
>
Around here, no one knows how to drive in snow & ice.  I have spent many hours
in parking lots giving cars little tugs just to get them unstick from the ice
that built up in fromt & back of their tires when it falls off the fenders.  I
have NEVER taken money for helping people, (just my personal rule, no ill
feelings toward people who do charge).
Last year on the morning of my girlfriend's brother's wedding, I pulled
several people out of a ditch.  One was a friend of my parent's, and used to
attend the same church as we did.  He kept trying to give me money, and I
refused.  About a month later, I get a card in the mail from their family with
$40 in it, saying it was for my birthday (sneaky timing) and that he had
traded the Honda in for a 4 wheel drive SUV.
By the way, stuck about 20 feet away from this guy was a 2WD Explorer that was
crammed into a ditch.  As I winched him out, he was calling that thing
everything in the book!
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David Moore                                DRM033@aol.com
90 Toyota Truck - 4" ProComp, 33" Swampers,4.88's
rear ARB, front LockRite,TJM bumper & Ramsey 8000
 TLCA #5662
 Traxx In Motion 4 Wheel Drive Club
 www.netmatter.com/traxx
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:24:50 EST
From: DRM033 
Subject: Re: Good Samaritan?
>  Im no laywer - but I think it may be to protect *both* parties
>  in the event of an accident.
>
The main thing is to check & see if there is a Good Samaritan law in YOUR
state.  This will mean that they can sue, but they will not win.
Someone earlier suggested a sign on the truck saying free tows.  I go one
better, and avoid any problems with the official type people:
"Nice, friendly, giving person is located in this truck!"
I wanna see a Judge say anything about that... (Of course, there will be
someone out there who will prosecute you for that one)
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David Moore                                DRM033@aol.com
90 Toyota Truck - 4" ProComp, 33" Swampers,4.88's
rear ARB, front LockRite,TJM bumper & Ramsey 8000
 TLCA #5662
 Traxx In Motion 4 Wheel Drive Club
 www.netmatter.com/traxx
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:28:38 -0500
From: Ed.Wong@astramerck.com
Subject: Ford 302 Swap
Jeff:
Whose adapter did you use to get the BorgWarner T5 to the Yota Xfer.
Did you have to move the xfer crossmember?
Do you have a body lift or did you pound out the tranny tunnel.
EFI or carb?
Is the battery still up front or did you relocate it.
EWong
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:35:21 -0500
From: Ed.Wong@astramerck.com
Subject: 22RE Headers
Tony Bartlett wrote:
I have an '85 22RE and I bought a NWOR header back in
'87 or '88.  It never fit correctly
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Caveat Empor?
Some people just dont *like* NWOR
 in the same sense as some people just like Chevy V8's :)
While early (aka 1990 era) LC headers had small "issues", the latest
incantation is *real* sweet.
* it fits
* it's well made
* it's NOT the cheapest
EWong
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:52:50 -0500
From: Ed.Wong@astramerck.com
Subject: Re: Mystery gasket found in radiator???
Eric_Stegall@amat.com wrote about a strange gasket in the top tank...
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When Jim Brink mentioned the possibility of RTV.. I recalled
a strange episode that I had with a *turdmostadt* (no liquid
nails here Dave)
It seems the rubber gasket around the thermostat had
"peeled off" the thermostat and then lodged into the
thermostat - blocking the thermostat open.
Im guessing that the square thing is a thermostat gasket.
Pop off the water neck and check the thermostat. You dont
have to drain the rad to do this, but you will spill the
antifreeze - so keep the dogs away and have some handy to add
back in.
EWong
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:57:19 -0500
From: Ed.Wong@astramerck.com
Subject: "NATO" can versus the "Jerry" can
The Jerry can is German whereas the NATO can is European :)
In all seriousness, the typical jerry can has a weld that goes
around the base of the can - like soup cans have.
The NATO can is welded as two halves. Think of it like a
suitcase.
In theory - the weld on a NATO can is supposed to have
less of a rust problem compared to the old "Jerry" cans.
I've seen em in surplus stores...
EWong
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 08:42:29 -0700
From: Nick.Krest@nickkrest.batnet.com (Nick Krest)
Subject: Re: Swapping idea
DRM033  wrote:
 "How hard would it be to scrap the 81 and take
 it down to the frame & running gear...then put
 the 90 22RE engine/tranny/Xfer and body on the
 bare frame?...How many differences would I find?"
I've seen it done; a guy running around here dropped a '94 cab and box on
an '83 frame. He said it took two days, and that most of the body mounts
matched up.
But heck, why scrap the '81? It's the best year! (I own an '81)
 - Nick
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 08:42:27 -0700
From: Nick.Krest@nickkrest.batnet.com (Nick Krest)
Subject: Re: GPS Question
Allen Jensen  wrote (about GPS receivers):
 "How much have you found that you actually use it?
 ...How much of a difference is there in the ability
 of the different models to triangulate signals? How
 long does it normally take for a typical unit to
 lock into the signals and start tracking?"
Allen -
1. All the time. I even have one hooked into my PowerBook, running
shareware called GPSy and DeLorme Atlas CD-rom, and have inexpensive and
portable in-car navigation.
2. A huge difference. I shopped around for a long time, comparing the
Trimble, Magellan, and Garmin units, and went with the Garmin (even tho I
could have gotten a 50% employee discount on the Trimble). The Garmin 12XL
was(is?) the best unit going last spring. It tracks up to 12 satellites,
and has a very short acquisition time.
Good luck,
 - Nick
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:09:39 -0800
From: Chris Geiger 
Subject: Re: Backspacing & Lifts (Conflicting Info.)
Jones, Travis wrote:
> I have trailmaster 4" suspension lift  I have grown to hate my tires sticking
> out so far from the
I had a ProComp 4" lift and was able to use the stock wheels. It was close to
hitting the upper control arm but never did. No way you can put chains on in the
front but it works. Did you know that BFG is now making 33 X 10.50 mud tires?
Chris Geiger 93 4Runner http://geiger.mcl.ucsb.edu/offroad.html
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 12:58:51 EST
From: TNTLGCA 
Subject: Foryota in my 4 runner
Just to let you all know.  I am getting a 302 5.0  HO from a 93 stang...
I Do not care who makes the V-8 I will have in my 4 runner all I know is that
there is no way that my well pumped up 4 cy 22re could or can keep up with the
new motor with my 35 16.50 boogers and my 8 inch lift...
I know all you stock boys out there with lifts and big tires feel the wind
take 5 too 10 of your top end and or and a slight upgrade on the freeways..
I'm not flaming the 22re Its a great little red line foot to the wood 24-7
type of motor, torque is not a problem it is just too get high h/p you only
get about a year out of it till you need to  rebuilt...
In my swap I had too use a 89 AOD from a bronco for a trans.  I know it will
be a trip to drive with all the lift and lockers with a auto but OH-well .
A final note ......   Advanced adapters has a shortage of T-5 rear output
shafts. thats why I went with the AOD.
ford,chev who cares only thing that matters is it is  a ample amount of power
compared to under power....
About the ranger crap at pismo. I think it is a state park right... If so I
was in a pinch once of highway -17 and the tow company told me about the stuff
that goes on about how differrant tow companys take turns doing tows in the
area. If so that is whats is going on at pismo...   I do think it is alright
to walk up to someone out there and ask if everthing is O.K. and if they do
need help that you can give them weather it is a tow or a wrench if they agree
then its done...  How is a ranger going agrue with that unless you happen to
make the problem worse by getting stuck or broke down your self.
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Date: 25 Mar 1998 10:01:19 -0800
From: Robert Elsemore 
Subject: 'jerry' can alternative
David Moore wrote:
>They market a really neat tank for 4 wheelers.  These tanks are roughly 2.5
>feet long, 1.5 feet wide, and about an inch or two thick.  They are made to
>fit on 4 wheeler racks, and I think they only hold a little over a gallon...
I just saw these tanks in the "Northern" catalog.  It was the Lawn and Garden
Supply flyer #588.  On page 45 they list them as "ATV Fuel and Water Packs".
Here is the description: 3.25 gallon capacity.  Puncture-resistant polyethylene
construction and sure-seal anti-vibration cap mean no liquid or vapor leaks.
Stack up to 800 lbs. of gear on each unit.  Spout for easy pouring. Dimensions:
37"L x 14"W x 3"H.  Made in USA.  Ship wt. 7lbs.
Fuel pack - Red - $74.99
Water pack - White - $74.99
call 1-800-533-5545 to order from Northern.
Just thought you'd like to know.
- -Rob Elsemore 
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:24:01 -0800
From: "Vic & Lorelei" 
Subject: Tranny for V8 swap.
 "SANKOVICH, JARED"  wrote;
>I was wondering if anyone has used the stock toy 5spd in a chevy V8 >swap.
AA says it won't last, but NWOR says it will. I'm going over my >options and
looking for other opinions on the best set up.
>Jared Sankovich   89 P/U
>8" lift 33's  22re(soon to be 305)
Check out what it would cost to use a Chev Tranny and T-case. As I have seen
the Toy tranny wont hold up if you are going to use it at all. Drives fine
but as soon as you start to load it up it will break. Just my opinion,
Vic
When approaching a four-way stop,
 the vehicle with the largest
tires always has the right of way.
ICQ # 895123
http://www.cnx.net/~vsery/
vsery@cnx.net
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 12:36:32 -0600
From: "Tong, Donald L" 
Subject: Re: GPS Question
I've pretty much got to second everything Eric said.  My GPS is a
Motorola Traxxar, about 5 years old.  The external power/antenna adapter
uses the same bolt pattern as Motorola cell phone hands-free kits, so
I've got the mounted in my 4-Runner on a gooseneck phone adapter.  Since
the unit is pretty old, it's a multiplexing unit, whereas the newer
models (except for some of the really low-end models) are mostly
parallel receivers (which is what you want).
If you can afford it, get an external antenna.  Reception may be okay
without one, but orientation of the unit will be important.  With an
external antenna, you'll get superior reception and you can put the unit
just about anywhere.  I recently mounted my antenna to the rear window
wiper clip and routed the antenna line into the body and behind the
right-side panelling for a semi-permanent installation.
Naturally I use the GPS while off-roading, but it also comes in handy on
the highway and even in town.  On the highway I use if for speed and
distance to a known point, like where I know there's a gas station.
That way I can tell if I can make it to a certain point or if I need to
look for gas earlier.  In town, I've used it to guide me to places that
I've never been but can get the lat/lon off the web or from the DeLorme
Street Atlas program.  There's been a couple times when I've looked at a
map wrong or didn't remember the directions so well, and the GPS has
pulled through every time.
For more information on GPS technology in general, take a look at
http://www.bridge.de/~tom/gpspeter.htm.
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 12:41:38 -0600
From: "Tong, Donald L" 
Subject: Re: 'jerry' can alternative
Con-Fer makes a Jerry Can holder for swing away tire carriers.  , But is
seems like a pretty sturdy bracket, and has provisions for padlocking
the can so it can't be removed or opened with the lock in place.  I
think it was about $30 (without the Jerry Can).
The bracket was originally designed for the Pathfinder.  On my '91
4-Runner the natural place for the bracket is right where the license
plate holder sits.  So before I buy one, I'm going to have to figure out
some way to mount the bracket so it sits just over the license plate
holder.
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 12:41:29 -0600
From: "Michael Rowe" 
Subject: Snorkel effects
Do any of you that have done Allen Jensens snorkel mod. have any additional
engine noise from the intake being closer to the cab?
Thanks,
Michael Rowe
Tom Rowe & Associates
m.rowe@tomrowe.com
956-412-6600 (8am-5pm CST)
- -----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Hojnowski 
To: toy4x4@tlca.org 
Date: Tuesday, March 24, 1998 11:36 PM
Subject: Snorkel pics.
>If anyone is interested in pictures of the snorkel I intstalled two weeks
>ago, I just added them to my web page.  I used Allen Jensen's design,and
>modified it a little for my 85' pickup.
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:48:00 -0800
From: "Smith, Patrick S." 
Subject: RE: Foryota in my 4 runner
... or can keep up with the
new motor with my 35 16.50 boogers and my 8 inch lift...
>>  You'll need the V-8.  Those sound like really sticky tires.
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:30:16 -0800
From: "Richard Aguinsky" 
Subject: 85 4Runner pricing
if it's a project vehicle, go for it. i bought my 87 4runner with 186000 miles on
it, running rough, leaking oil, little tire thread left, etc. for $5200 (asking
price was $7500). a similar good 4 runner was about $8000~$10,000, so i bought
it for the same reason as you: just a project vehicle. and now i like it more
than my camry.
since yours has a salvage title and no miles, it'll be difficult to sell, but who cares,
you're starting low anyways. bargain as much as you can, tell them that the miles
are unknown and that the salvage title should be arround 50 cents per dollar. if it were
me, i'd offer $1000 and find a compromise in between.
good luck!!! let me know what happened.
rich
'87 4runner
rebuilding it little by little.
I found an 85 4Runner for sale that is a bit rough, and I am not sure what it's worth. It
has a Salvage title, but the body is pretty good (missing rear bumper, Wshield trim,
hacked grill, real cheap paint, no rust anywhere). The 5 speed Tranny & Xfer appear to be
out of an 87.  The Cap is fair, with a 1" crack by the side window.  The interior is
missing a few panels and is pretty tore up (different door panels, missing heater/AC
knobs, dirty seats front & back with screwed up controls, rear window & door inop, ign key
sticks). The title shows actual miles not known but  over 117 miles.  The rear end has a
diff ratio (4.1 ??) than the front gears (3.9 ??)  and the rear end is noisy (L&R axels
locked together after a minute of spinning just the R tire in the air w/L tire on the
ground.  Then it when back to normal open diif action. maybe a locker ??).  Has factory
alloys with worn 31's.  Springs are a bit mashed.  The motor & tranny appear to run/shift
well, but there is a spe!
ed dependent thud coming from the tranny than does not change with gear selected or Xfer
case setting.   No leaks Xcept Gear oil out of the right front knuckle.  The frame looks
good (no welds/meas the same corner to corner).  Asking price is $3000  I know I would
have to repair/regear the rear (locker while I am at it of coarse) and probably do the
front as well to allow 33's later on. The tranny may also need attention.  This will not
be a daily driver, but a project truck to play with.  What should I be wary of and how
much lower $$$ should I go for.  Thanks for reading all the way thru, and reply to me
direct if possible (MG_Engineering@Compuserve.com) as I am in digest mode.
Martin Gotch
M
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 14:01:08 -0500
From: Darren Floen 
Subject: Re: Factory Valve Clearances
A lot of my freinds and I with hotrods and pro-street cars use different
valve lashes depending on the circumstances.Tighter for racing,looser
for street.I can honestly say that on a 550 hp,700ft-lb engine,it does
make a great deal of difference in drivability.On a 22r,i seriously
doubt any real signifigant gains can be had without causing other
worries.
Darren
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 14:05:36 -0500
From: Darren Floen 
Subject: Re: motor swaps....
A 3.9 L  Magnum Dakota engine may be in my Toy's future................
Darren(also a diehard Mopar man)
Eric Johnson wrote:
>
> On Mon, 23 Mar 1998, Steve C. wrote:
> > redline1@juno.com wrote:
> > > Hey all i'm just a stock yoyo, but i read about all u guys that do the
> > > chevota swaps.  Well my ? is how come no one is doin' the FORD swap?
> >
> > what about a MOPAR???
>
> Ouch... the thought of chrysler products in a toy scares me...
>
> > I know chevy is the most modified motor in the world probably but MOPAR
> > and FORD make good motors too.
>
> I too am surprised we don't see a whole lot more 302 or 351W swaps. The
> ford motors have a distributor up front and are supposedly narrower and
> shorter. And aren't the ford trannies a little shorter overall too ?
>
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 98 14:10:00 -0500
From: Rosenberger Bud 
Subject: RE: Pismo Beach
Eric wrote:
>I'm not a lawyer, but I've studied lots of law, and california judges
are
the weirdest in the country
You all know that California is the state with the most lawyers and that
New Jersey has the most toxic waste dumps.  Do you know why?  New Jersey
got to pick first!
Sorry to all of you out there!  :)
Bud R
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 14:05:01 -0500
From: Fred Welland 
Subject: '94 Toyota 4x4 pick-up For Sale
1994 Toyota 4x4 Pickup
 -Regular Cab
 -4Cyl
 -A/C
 -AM/FM Cassette (Blaupunkt)
 -51k miles
 -All Black
 -Black Leer Fiberglass Cap
 -Secondary key activated ignition security system (not an alarm)
 -Rear Sliding Window
The vehicle is located in Falls Church, Virginia (about 6 miles outside of
Washington DC)
Reason For Selling:
 I need a bigger vehicle with more passenger space.
Asking: $11,500 (will entertain offers)
Can be reached via Email or phone:
 fcwellan@clark.net
 Fred_Welland@interealty.com
 Home: 703-532-0346
 Work: 703-610-5218
PS:  Please direct questions directly to me not to a mail list.   (I still
casually 'listen' to 'offroad@off-road.com', 'LandCruisers@tlca.org', and
'Toy4x4@tlca.org').
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:36:42 -0800
From: Chris Geiger 
Subject: Re: Snorkel effects
> Do any of you that have done Allen Jensens snorkel mod. have any additional
> engine noise from the intake being closer to the cab?
Nope, sounds the same, works great! I just need some deeper water to test it in.
Chris Geiger 93 4Runner http://geiger.mcl.ucsb.edu/offroad.html
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:49:26 -0800
From: Michael Turner 
Subject: Bio
Oh yeah, here's my bio(I forgot to send it in) J
Name:Michael Turner
City & State: Palmdale, CA
Country:USA
E-mail address: megavega@qnet.com
Toyota year & model: 81 4X4
Are you a TLCA Mmeber(Y/N/Number?):No
Age:37
Occupation: Computer Technical Support
Marital Status:Married
Hobbies:
How did you first find out about the Toyota 4X4 Mailing List:Surfed in
General info about your vehicle,self,etc.:
1981 4x4 with: ' 84RE bottom end, ' 75 20R head\22R valves w/dual Mikuni 44's, custom exhaust,
10" total lift, 33" tires, RS5000 Shocks -Dodge rear with Posi 4:62 gears, Diamond plated panels all around
plus alot of other assorted pieces & parts(even the center console from a 1984 Monti-Carlo).
I'm learning alot about toyota's(this is my first). I've done all the modifications my self and I am constantly
looking for advice. The list has been quite helpful. Thanks to all !
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 12:53:06 MDT -0600
From: ggibb@msu.oscs.montana.edu
Subject: RE: HEADDER PROBLEM SOLVED
THOSE OF YOU HAVING A HELL OF A TIME WITH NWOR HEADDERS, MAY HAVE SPENT
$300 FOR NOTHING, BUT THE REST OF YOU MAY LEARN FROM THEIR MISFORTUNE.  I
BOUGHT HEADDERS FROM THE DOUG THOURLY COMPANY IN 89'  THE HEADDERS FIT FINE
AND PERFORMED WELL FOR 8 YEARS AT WHICH TIME ONE OF THE TUBES CRACKED.  I GOT
ON THE HORN WIHT DOUG THOURLEY AND THEY SENT ME A NEW SET NO QUESTIONS
ASKED.  COST ME $4.75 FOR SHIPPING, AND THE NEW HEADDER CAME WITH ALL THE
GASKETS ETC. NEEDED, THEY FIT PERFECTLY TOO.  DOUG THORELY MAKES A GREAT
PRODUCT AND IS AN EXCELLENT COMPANY THAT STANDS BEHIND IT'S PRODUCT.  MY
ADVICE IS TO AVOID THE HASSEL WITH NWOR WHEN EVER POSSIBLE AND IN THIS CASE
DOUG THORELY MAKES AN EXCELLENT TRI Y HEADDER THAT FITS, WORKS, AND THAY
STAND BEHIND.
GEOFF GIBB
BOZEMAN, MT
85' 22R WITH DOUG THORELY HEADDERS
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 12:02:07 -8 GMT
From: "Leo G. Divinagracia III" 
Subject: re: GPS Question
 From: "Allen Jensen"  I have noticed that some of you have GPS systems. How much have you
 found that you actually use it? I found a unit on sale, but I don't think
 it is strong enough to really be used. How much of a difference is there
 in the ability of the different models to triangulate signals? How long
 does it normally take for a typical unit to lock into the signals and
 start tracking?
i bought mine cause i thought it was just a really cool toy.  now if i were
to be shot down in bosnia from my f-16, i'd be able to call in my position
for extraction.  8-))
these days, some of the 'cheaper' ones use a single channel that multiplexes
the satellite signals.  i had a garmin 45xl that used this system and it took
forever sometimes to look into a stable signal, enough to get a 2D fix (2D
fix for speed and direction, 3D fix would give altitude, but altitudes tend
to be crappy...)
fortunately walmart had a great return policy and the new garmin 12xl with 12
channel parallel system came out.  i got that and it locks two minutes when
cold and under a minute when warm.  sometimes if i turn off then on in a
parking lot, it would lock in under 10 seconds...
basically, they all use the same algorithms for triangulations.  after all,
trig is trig is trig...  they all use the same 'birds' and the data
coming out is standard.  some just use faster hardware.  there's a model
selling in walmart right now for under $150 with 12 channels.  not a garmin.
btw, i'm still waiting to use it in an emergency situation... but like any
'insurance,' i hope to never use it for that purpose.
- -----------------------
Leo G. Divinagracia III
ldivinag@csuhayward.edu
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 98 13:09:57 -0000
From: "Brent M. Dombrowski" 
Subject: Re: GPS Question
>Subject: GPS Question
>
>I have noticed that some of you have GPS systems. How much have you found
>that you actually use it? I found a unit on sale, but I don't think it is
>strong enough to really be used. How much of a difference is there in the
>ability of the different models to triangulate signals? How long does it
>normally take for a typical unit to lock into the signals and start
>tracking?
I've got a Garmin 38 and I think its great.  I find it more useful in the
truck then I do hiking around.  It typically takes mine a few minutes to
lock on if its cold and I'm standing still.  It takes longer if its cold
and moving.  If its tracked something in the last hour or so, it will
lock on in a minute.  Its an 8 channel older model.  A friend of mine has
a 12xl that is mulitchannel.  It will lock on cold in a minute.  If its
been used in the last hour or so, a few seconds.  Shop around and see
what you like.  They are all about the same fundamentally.  The software
and the buttons are going to be the big differences.
bd
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 14:18:27 -0600
From: BEN HARRISON 
Subject: 4Runner Cover Top
I just bought an 89 4Runner. (with no owners manual) The top has never
been taken off.  I understand the method of reinstalling the top is
critical.  Does anyone know where I can get an owners manual, or can
tell me the correct way (or where to find the correct way) to remove and
reinstall the top.
Thanks
Ben
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 12:32:14 -0800
From: Scott Wilson 
Subject: Re: 4Runner Cover Top/Tailgate
BEN HARRISON wrote:
>
> I just bought an 89 4Runner. (with no owners manual) The top has never
> been taken off.  I understand the method of reinstalling the top is
> critical.  Does anyone know where I can get an owners manual, or can
> tell me the correct way (or where to find the correct way) to remove and
> reinstall the top.
I don't think my 88 top had been off either, until 96 when I bought
it.   I've had it off several times now, sometime for a week at a time.
It's a blast to drive with the top off!
There is no secret to reinstalling the top.  I think the owners manual
may have a specific order for tightening the bolts...but I don't really
care what it is...it makes most sense to start at the top (where it
attaches to the roof of the cab).
I generally set the top in place, and put each bolt in, just a couple
turns (by hand) so I know everything is lined up...then I start
tightening them, starting at the roof area (cause I'd guess that would
be the place most likely to give you trouble if it didn't seal
correctly.  Then I work my way to the back bolts, tightening as I go.
I've never found a drop of water in my vehicle due to the top not
sealing correctly.  I found PLENTY of water in my truck after getting
suck in the Pismo Creek last weekend.  :-)   There's GOT to be a better
way to seal up that darn tailgate....anyone have a trick they use?
Scott
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 */_\---/_\'     Santa Clara, CA
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 15:54:20 -0500 (EST)
From: Eli Madden 
Subject: Chevota axles
With all this talk of V8s, I wanted to ask what kind of reliability people
have been getting from stock Toy axles. I've always thought that V8s could
break them, but a V6 couldn't.....
If you could mention what ratio gears you were/are running it would be
good info, seeing as how 5.29s and 5.71s aren't as strong as 3.9 thru
4.88. Thanks.
Eli Madden
Middlebury, Vermont
'83 SR5 Shortbed 4x4 w/ 31s and '87 22R Rebuilt Myself
eli@computeralt.com
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 13:12:53 -0700
From: carfindr@juno.com (Michael A Magree)
Subject: Re: Ordered TRD Supercharger
NIck-
>From the info they sent us at the dealership- 2.5 hours labor.  They
just sent us verification yesterday the TRD superchargers have been
approved for the 60 month,
60,000 mile powertrain warranty.
Mike Magree
Fleet Manager
John Elway Dealerships
303/792-1132
carfindr@juno.com
On Wed, 25 Mar 1998 03:32:31 -0800 (PST) chou@seas.ucla.edu (Nicholas
An-Kuo Chou) writes:
>
>I ordered the TRD Supercharger for my 97 4Runner Lim last week.  The
>first batch has been
>sold out before they got to TRD in Costa Mesa, CA.  I'm waiting for
>the next one.  Anyone have one installed?  How was the installation?
>Hard or easy?
>
>Nick
>chou@seas.ucla.edu
>
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 15:04:14 -0600
From: Alan 
Subject: Question For All. . .
Before I post a personal bio. . .
I just wanted to make sure I kinda fit in the group or not.
I just bought a 98 Toyota Prerunner which is a 4x4 without the 4x4.  It
looks like one but isnt.
I mostly bought it for the height and looks, but would love to talk to
others that have .... similar trucks .... but if I don't belong, I will
leave.
Someone please let me know!
Thanks,
Alan
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 13:33:11 -0800
From: Scott Wilson 
Subject: Re: Question For All. . .
Alan wrote:
>
> Before I post a personal bio. . .
>
> I just wanted to make sure I kinda fit in the group or not.
> I just bought a 98 Toyota Prerunner which is a 4x4 without the 4x4.  It
> looks like one but isnt.
> I mostly bought it for the height and looks, but would love to talk to
> others that have .... similar trucks .... but if I don't belong, I will
> leave.
Just so you don't ALL reply to this...  :-)
I already wrote Alan, and invited him to take part in this list.  Just
as long as threads stay relevant to Toy4x4...
Scott
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 */_\---/_\'     Santa Clara, CA
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