Toyota 4x4 digest:       Thursday, July 16 1998       Volume 02 : Number 007
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Re: Gears & fabrication
Re: engine knock, piston slap(?)
Re: Turning around on tight trails
electric chainsaw
Emissions / TPS
Re: Gears & fabrication
Gears & fabrication
Re: 4runner coil replace
Re: Emissions / TPS
Breathers and felt/seal kit for solid axle questions.
Re[2]: 3.0L V6 Swap into A 1987 P-U???
Re: Gears & fabrication
Re: Gears & fabrication
Re: Gears & fabrication
Re: Breathers and felt/seal kit for solid axle questions.
Re: Gears & fabrication
Personal Bio Info
fuel gauge??
linkage for 20r head on 22r block
Jardin Exhaust Kit - Any Good?
Alcan springs
Re: linkage for 20r head on 22r block
Re: 4Runner Jamboree
Re: Gears & fabrication
header is in - 1st impression
Re: fuel gauge??
85 x-cab rear drive shaft
springs,gears etc.....
jay K
Toyota Manuals
Re: Recaro Seats
Re: Gears & fabrication
Re: Gears & fabrication
Hand Cleaning
Rust
Re[3]: 3.0L V6 Swap into A 1987 P-U???
Re: Hand Cleaning
Re: Rust
Re: Gears & fabrication
Re: Sulfur smell
Re: Gears & fabrication
hi lift jack
Re: hi lift jack
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:23:56 EDT
From: DRM033@aol.com
Subject: Re: Gears & fabrication
In a message dated 98-07-15 10:46:43 EDT, you write:
> Also a question to all of you - after reading Jay's page about all of
>  his fabrication, i was wondering what most of you use to cut metal stock
>  with?
Well, I start out with the metal chop saw.  That handles most things I need to
cut, but eats blades fast if you are not careful.  I also have a handy deep
cut portable band saw for cutting steel - works great too.  There is also the
old standby - oxy/acet torch.
David
DRM033@aol.com
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:26:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: TrailDogg@webtv.net (~Trail Dogg~)
Subject: Re: engine knock, piston slap(?)
slop in the bearing??????
you measure bearing in the .#### not in seat of the pants feel! what a
load of shit!
 ask jim brink, he is a toy wrench, he will shoot you in the right
direction.
DARREN SINKEY
TRAILDOGG@WEBTV.NET
OROVILLE,CA./AZ IN 91-96
1982 TOYOTA 4X4 LONGBED
7"@33"
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:28:51 EDT
From: DRM033@aol.com
Subject: Re: Turning around on tight trails
In a message dated 98-07-15 15:07:10 EDT, you write:
> ya the chainsaw was OEM on my toyota!
>
Here is a funny one.
A friend I ride with actually has a 12 volt chainsaw that plugs into the acc.
outlet in his Jeep.  He drives down the trail & neatly snips out small limbs
that stick out too far.  I want one!!!!!
David
DRM033@aol.com
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:43:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: TrailDogg@webtv.net (~Trail Dogg~)
Subject: electric chainsaw
thats a 1st!!!!!!
ya ya ya, just when ya think ya heard it all! this an`t a western is it!
DARREN SINKEY
TRAILDOGG@WEBTV.NET
OROVILLE,CA./AZ IN 91-96
1982 TOYOTA 4X4 LONGBED
7"@33"
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:05:16 -0400
From: Ed.Wong@astramerck.com
Subject: Emissions / TPS
>>
 If my TPS/TBS sensor is bad, why am I not getting a code for it?  I know
there is a specific code for it,
<<
I vaguley recall the thread on your emissions woes...
I have had a TPS go bad and never get a code for it.
The reason I knew - the Air Fuel meter did not go
full lean under decelleration (aka coasting down hills
but still in gear)
It's possible that if they are doing an idle sniffer
test, that the computer does not know that the throttle is in idle
mode.
On my  "89" Gen1 4Runner (12/88 RN61) with 5spd and 22RE,
there is a measuerment for the throttle circuit and a
measurement for the "idle" switch.
Also, if the dash pot sticks (been there) then the engine
never really sees an idle condition either - both will lead to
"richer" than normal conditions.
(read - HC is to high)
Now - the cat should be able to clean thsi stuff up as well,
but maybe its not as efficient as it used to be.
EWong
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:21:33 -0700
From: "Jay Kopycinski" 
Subject: Re: Gears & fabrication
>TrailDogg@webtv.net (~Trail Dogg~) wrote:
>tubing bebder $80 @ harbor frieght tools!
>www.harborfrieght.com
>
>tht is the cheapest one it will bend sch40   up to i think 2 1/2,
>someone said it bends up rollbars of the in-cab type pretty well.
Note that this is actually a pipe bender, not a tubing bender. The
two have different sizes. I have one of these and it works fairly
well though it is a bit slow. We've even used it to rearch some
leaves a few times.
Jay Kopycinski    '85 Toylet   (ROKTOY)
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:29:32 -0700
From: "Jay Kopycinski" 
Subject: Gears & fabrication
bwiencek@kcnet.com wrote:
>Also a question to all of you - after reading Jay's page about all of
>his fabrication, i was wondering what most of you use to cut metal stock
>with?  I'd sure love a plasma cutter, but I can't get myself to fork over the
>$1200...  I have tried various saw blades, saws, cutters, etc, and most of
>them were barely adequate.
I use an old Sears table saw with 7" metal blade for most straight line cutting.
I had a Ryobi 10" chop saw that worked pretty well for short crosscuts, but
sold it and bought a small bandsaw instead. I was gonna buy one of the
small Taiwan bandsaws for about $180. Jack and another friend have one
of these and they work fairly well. Before I got to buy one I found a 35 year
old Wells bandsaw at a flea market for $75. (Wells price for a similar new
one is $1500). It works great and is much quieter than the chop saw was.
I also use a 4.5" electric grinder, and several air die grinders with either
abrasive cut-off wheels or carbide burrs. For portable on-truck cuts I've
also used my circular saw with a metal blade or a jigsaw for sheetmetal
removal. I picked up a torch recently but have no bottles yet.....though I
doubt I'll do much fabrication cutting with it.
A plasma cutter would be really nice!
Jay Kopycinski    '85 Toylet   (ROKTOY)
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:31:21 -7 GMT
From: "Leo G. Divinagracia III" 
Subject: Re: 4runner coil replace
> From: Chris Geiger 
>
> The instructions say you may need a spring compressor, don't bother. Remove the
> shocks and detach the sway bar, then send the frame of the truck up as high as
> you can get it. The rear end will drop (take the rear wheels off to get even
> lower) and the springs will be easy to pull out with just one hand. It can also
> be done one side at a time. I hate when the springs fall out on the trail
> though, its real embarrassing, "aa... hold on guys I gota put my rear spring
> back in, it fell out in that twisty section back there" It's kinda like your
> teeth falling out of your mouth in a nice restaurant.
>
one funny thing about this is that they have no provisions of having
a coil clip, or something to hold the spring, like what ford has.
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Leo G. Divinagracia III
ldivinag@csuhayward.edu
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:32:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Karl D. Bellve" 
Subject: Re: Emissions / TPS
On Wed, 15 Jul 1998 Ed.Wong@astramerck.com wrote:
>
> >>
>   If my TPS/TBS sensor is bad, why am I not getting a code for it?  I know
> there is a specific code for it,
> <<
>
> I vaguley recall the thread on your emissions woes...
>
> I have had a TPS go bad and never get a code for it.
> The reason I knew - the Air Fuel meter did not go
> full lean under decelleration (aka coasting down hills
> but still in gear)
>
This happened on my truck. I just cleaned out the outside of the TBS, the
spring part just underneath the case. I tried not to get solvent inside
the TBS since the electronics may be sensitive to this. Basically, the TBS
has a tiny little spring that brings it back to the idle position when you
let go of the throttle. The throttle spring doesn't do this. I then had to
remount the TBS and readjust it, which takes an ohm meter and feeler
gauges. Not a 1 banana job. The only way you can tell if your TBS isn't
going back to idle is via an ohmeter, no error codes for this.
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:36:06 -0700
From: "Jay Kopycinski" 
Subject: Breathers and felt/seal kit for solid axle questions.
Anita Panjwani  wrote:
>When repacking front bearings and changing seals is
>it always necessary to buy the felt/seal kit thing that costs
>like 170 or so CDN?  Diff oil has seeped past the felt.
No, it is not necessary. If your inner axle seal is in good shape
there should be no dif oil in the knuckle area and no dif oil leaking
out the back felt seal.
>I am presuming that the felt is for preventing dirt and
>stuff from getting in. The axle seal prevents diff fluid from
>reaching the felt. If I replace the front axle seals
>then no oil should leak past the felt right?
yes on all three.
>  Anyway is
>there anyway to get the kit if absolutely needed any
>cheaper.  Has anyone done a rebuild without that kit?
>I don't feel the need for that much dough if I don't need to
>spend it.
I just bought the whole front axle seal kit plus the two axle
seals from Scott Tate for about $80 USD. You might try
replacing the inner seal and cleaning all the dif lube outta
the knuckle (regrease), and see if that stops the bad seeping.
Jay Kopycinski     '85 Toylet  (ROKTOY)
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:38:25 -0700
From: "Jay Kopycinski" 
Subject: Re[2]: 3.0L V6 Swap into A 1987 P-U???
adickenson@kpmg.com wrote:
>     It may be cheaper, but down the road isn't it better to have a Toyota
>     engine under the hood?
Depends on your priorities........(I just kinda perused the bait, I didn't
take it  ;-)
Jay Kopycinski     '85 Toylet  (ROKTOY)
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:39:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: TrailDogg@webtv.net (~Trail Dogg~)
Subject: Re: Gears & fabrication
jay`s right, thats why a noted sch40 as in pipe,i might be to suttle
though;-)
thanks JAY!
DARREN SINKEY
TRAILDOGG@WEBTV.NET
OROVILLE,CA./AZ IN 91-96
1982 TOYOTA 4X4 LONGBED
7"@33"
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:59:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jimmy Tom 
Subject: Re: Gears & fabrication
On Wed, 15 Jul 1998, ~Trail Dogg~ wrote:
> tubing bebder $80 @ harbor frieght tools!
> www.harborfrieght.com
> tht is the cheapest one it will bend sch40   up to i think 2 1/2,
> someone said it bends up rollbars of the in-cab type pretty well.
> DARREN SINKEY
> TRAILDOGG@WEBTV.NET
Yeah, I saw that bender, but somehow, methinks I'll be bending up some
pretty good looking lawn furniture.  Does it really bend that well without
quality dies?  I'm assuming that it bends by placing pressure in the
middle of the tube, not forcing it over a mandrel like the $$$ do.  Any
firsthand remarks?  Comments?
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Jimmy Tom 
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:15:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: TrailDogg@webtv.net (~Trail Dogg~)
Subject: Re: Gears & fabrication
not 1st hand, been told it does by someone on the net, if i ever get one
i`ll post about it.
DARREN SINKEY
TRAILDOGG@WEBTV.NET
OROVILLE,CA./AZ IN 91-96
1982 TOYOTA 4X4 LONGBED
7"@33"
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:44:07 -0700
From: "RockCrawler" 
Subject: Re: Breathers and felt/seal kit for solid axle questions.
you can get the felt and just the essentials (none of the cardboard ones
that you can substitute sealer for) for like $40
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Brandon Miller        ICQ# 8392888
Sacramento CA
email - brandon@pirate4x4.com
home page - http://pirate4x4.com/brandon
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- -----Original Message-----
From: Jay Kopycinski 
To: Toyota 4x4 List 
Date: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 3:38 PM
Subject: Breathers and felt/seal kit for solid axle questions.
>Anita Panjwani  wrote:
>
>>When repacking front bearings and changing seals is
>>it always necessary to buy the felt/seal kit thing that costs
>>like 170 or so CDN?  Diff oil has seeped past the felt.
>
>No, it is not necessary. If your inner axle seal is in good shape
>there should be no dif oil in the knuckle area and no dif oil leaking
>out the back felt seal.
>
>
>>I am presuming that the felt is for preventing dirt and
>>stuff from getting in. The axle seal prevents diff fluid from
>>reaching the felt. If I replace the front axle seals
>>then no oil should leak past the felt right?
>
>yes on all three.
>
>
>>  Anyway is
>>there anyway to get the kit if absolutely needed any
>>cheaper.  Has anyone done a rebuild without that kit?
>>I don't feel the need for that much dough if I don't need to
>>spend it.
>
>I just bought the whole front axle seal kit plus the two axle
>seals from Scott Tate for about $80 USD. You might try
>replacing the inner seal and cleaning all the dif lube outta
>the knuckle (regrease), and see if that stops the bad seeping.
>
>Jay Kopycinski     '85 Toylet  (ROKTOY)
>
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:45:25 -0700
From: "RockCrawler" 
Subject: Re: Gears & fabrication
I use a skillsaw, but that is all I have...
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Brandon Miller        ICQ# 8392888
Sacramento CA
email - brandon@pirate4x4.com
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- -----Original Message-----
From: bwiencek@kcnet.com 
To: toy4x4@tlca.org 
Date: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 7:48 AM
Subject: Gears & fabrication
>OK,
>
> First a question - Will the rear gears from a later V-6 truck fit in
>my 4 cyl ('85) rear end?  Is there special bearings that are used for this?
>
> Also a question to all of you - after reading Jay's page about all of
>his fabrication, i was wondering what most of you use to cut metal stock
>with?  I'd sure love a plasma cutter, but I can't get myself to fork over
the
>$1200...  I have tried various saw blades, saws, cutters, etc, and most of
>them were barely adequate.  I have a new (to me at least) 235 amp fourney
arc
>welder waiting to be really utilized (I am currently building my version of
a
>rear bumper for my '85 4runner, and trust me - you won't be able to bend
this
>sucker with a hi-lift :-0
>
>- Brian
>
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 20:37:13 +4000
From: Jose Manuel Almeirim Carvalho 
Subject: Personal Bio Info
===========================
Personal Bio Info
===========================
Name: JOSE MANUEL ALMEIRIM CARVALHO
City & State: MAPUTO
Country: MOZAMBIQUE
E-mail address: JOSECARV@ZEBRA.UEM.MZ
Toyota (s) year & model: 1995, HILUX LWB 4X4 DOUBLE CAB (RN67R-MDPN)
Are you a TLCA Member (Y/N/Number?): NO
Age: 45
Occupation: GEOGRAPHIC ENGINEER
Marital Status: MARRIED
Hobbies: HUNTING, FISHING
How did you find out about the Toyota 4x4 Mailing List: INTERNET
General info about your vehicle, self, etc.: ENGINE 2400 22R, PETROL
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 20:29:08 EDT
From: DGRM125@aol.com
Subject: fuel gauge??
I own a 1987 4x4 pu, x-cab, 22re.
My fuel gauge just started dropping after it drops below full. When I fill
back up the gauge goes back up until I use an 1/8th of a tank and then it
drops again.
Any help is greatly appreciated
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:40:47 -0700
From: "Burton" 
Subject: linkage for 20r head on 22r block
I just swapped a 20r head on my 22r I got a weber
The stock throttle linkage was'nt the same after it has a carb adapter
on it . What is the best way to set up up the linkage on it.
any information would help.
 burton@sisna.com
 thanks K.C. Burton
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:01:37 -0700
From: rdavid 
Subject: Jardin Exhaust Kit - Any Good?
Performance Products has this new exhaust system for sale for the 92-95
4Runners (replaced their dynamax mufflers kits), any comments on it? How
loud is it? install process? etc?
thanks for any help!
rdavid@jps.net
95 Toyota 4Runner SR5 3.0L/V6
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:36:06 -0700
From: "Billy Mac" 
Subject: Alcan springs
I know alot of you run Alcan springs and I hate to beat a subject to death
but I have decided to order a set from the boys at Rocky Mountain. I spoke
with Jason. He told me they would be custom made for my application. My
question is to you guys who have already been through this part. I want 4
1/2" of lift front and rear. I have a 231 Buick V6/700R4 combo, extra
capacity gas tank,Smitty front bumper, etc. Do I just tell them all this
stuff or are there other tips & tricks in order to get the springs right the
first time? Has anyone tried the 5" longer rear springs? How about the stock
length rears? I want to still be able to tow a little weight now and then
(desert buggy, boat, nothing super heavy). I'm not in the rocks every
weekend like alot of you boys, as a matter of fact, I spend most of my time
on the street unfortunately with a little trail creeping in Big Bear and
some desert romping mixed in. Right now I have Pro-Comp up front and
National (generic, not custom) in the rear and the ride is way harsh to say
the least. My truck is an '82 long bed and any help or direction you
gentlemen can give would be greatly appreciated!
I am in digest mode so feel free to reply to me directly and to the list if
you wish.
Thanks again, Bill wbill@pacbell.net
 Wheel hard & shoot straight !!
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:00:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: TrailDogg@webtv.net (~Trail Dogg~)
Subject: Re: linkage for 20r head on 22r block
i used a brake cable from a 10-speed bike when i did my datsun.
DARREN SINKEY
TRAILDOGG@WEBTV.NET
OROVILLE,CA./AZ IN 91-96
1982 TOYOTA 4X4 LONGBED
7"@33"
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:58:49 -0700
From: Ken Emanuel 
Subject: Re: 4Runner Jamboree
Scott Wilson wrote:
>
> Steve Miller just called me, so I thought I'd update you on the latest.
> There are 48 4Runners signed up for this years Jamboree.
Cool!  Has anyone compiled a list of those of us on the Toy4x4 list that
are attending?
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Ken Emanuel                     Emanuel@csus.edu
'87 Xtra Cab SR5    (22R-E)
http://webpages.csus.edu/~sac75830/toystuff.htm
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 23:12:32 -0400
From: Darren Floen 
Subject: Re: Gears & fabrication
I use a 14" chopsaw for alot of cutting,but it is better for tubing
and nrrow stirps of plate.I do alot of heavy duty fabrication using
thicker plate,1/2" to 3/4" commonly,so i use a torch for most plate.My
advice for using a torch,is to make sure you use the proper tips for the
thickness of steel you are cutting,and clean the tip before each and
every cut.The cuts will turn out way better.For torch cutting,the fuel
and O2 pressures are inportant.Good starting pressures for 1/4" steel
are 8-10 Acetylene,20-30 Oxy.Go up on the Oxy pressures slightly with
thicker material.Use soapstone for marking steel to be cut.Do not cut on
concrete,it'll pop and crack and you'll have pits in your floor.
 Plasma cutters are nice,and i do have one,but it'll only cut 3/16"
plate,so i don't use it too often.I can do pretty close the same with a
torch.A plasma is far better for intricate stuff because it is far more
controlable.Minimum grinding time.With everything in welding,go big when
you buy.Get a 220v unit.
 As far as tubing and pipe benders go,i have the 16 ton unit available
from Northern.It works well if setup properly.The pipe should be greased
at the rollers and die.I've bent a few rollcages with it,and it did
well.We did a few test bends to cut up and measure the after the bend
wall thickness.On .134 wall 2" tubing,it went to .124-.128 on the
outside of the bend.This is acceptable.
Enough of me rambling
Darren
bwiencek@kcnet.com wrote:

> rear bumper for my '85 4runner, and trust me - you won't be able to bend this
> sucker with a hi-lift :-0
>
> - Brian
>
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 00:03:03 EDT
From: DRM033@aol.com
Subject: header is in - 1st impression
Well, I got to test out the new LC engineering header on my 22RE.
First impression is that it is not all that great.  Well, I guess it is
better, but not exactly in the ways I wanted.  The truck now loves to shift
around 4 grand, and there is a real boost around 2700.  Below 2700 though is
where I am disappointed.   I can see why people say this is a good addition of
you have not changed geares to account for larger tires.  The top end is quite
a bit better.
With the Rancho dual powerflow exhaust, the truck is pretty loud now.  It
still sounds similar to before, but a little louder & crisper (if that makes
sense).
I will probably switch over to a single exhaust some time, with 2" or 2.5"
tubing through out & a little quiter muffler (loud is good, too loud is bad).
I will say that total instalation time (had I had all the gaskets) was less
than 45 min. & was pretty easy to do.  I will post back after a week or so of
driving with it.
David
DRM033@aol.com
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 21:37:19 -0700
From: Chris Geiger 
Subject: Re: fuel gauge??
Sounds like a bad sending unit in the tank. Been there done that.
Chris Geiger 93 4Runner http://geiger.ic.ucsb.edu/offroad.html
DGRM125@aol.com wrote:
> I own a 1987 4x4 pu, x-cab, 22re.
> My fuel gauge just started dropping after it drops below full. When I fill
> back up the gauge goes back up until I use an 1/8th of a tank and then it
> drops again.
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 01:08:30 -0700
From: Jason Wilson 
Subject: 85 x-cab rear drive shaft
I've just torn up the second center support bearing in my '85 x-cab, and I
don't want to fork out the $150 for another one.  I've heard that you
shouldn't change over to a one piece shaft if it came with a two piece
unit, but is it going to hurt anything if I have a custom one piece rear
shaft made?
Jason Wilson
jgwilson@off-road.com
'85 x-cab, 4.88:1, E-Z locker rear, 3.5" suspension lift, 32" BFG A/T's
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 00:18:24 -0500
From: "Mike Slaby"
Subject: springs,gears etc.....
Who makes the best  3 in lift for my 1980 pick up as far as ride, quality
and price. Who makes the best gear sets for Toyotas? Anyone make a bolt on
winch bumper besides ARB and Smittybilt
 MIKE SLABY
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:54:03 -0700
From: "RockCrawler" 
Subject: jay K
Hey jay, check it out...
Still working on the links but I put ya up on top ;)
http://pirate4x4.com/links/link.html
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Sacramento CA
email - brandon@pirate4x4.com
home page - http://pirate4x4.com/brandon
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 23:29:14 -0700
From: Scott Wilson 
Subject: Toyota Manuals
Henry Brimmer asked me to forward this on to you.  Henry is involved
with the LC list & Toyota Trails (the TLCA bi-monthly magazine).  He is
a trust worth source, so you should not worry about sending your hard
earned money to Henry for one of these manuals.  He says the manuals are
just incredible, and they've been selling like hot cakes.  Since they do
have manuals for our trucks, he was nice enough to pass on the info.
Scott
> gregory's manuals (from australia) for mini trucks and 4runners are
> available.. these are considered better than chilton or haynes and have
> been highly praised on the landcruiser list
>
> i volunteered to order them and was impressed by the demand... 200
> people ordered manuals!
>
> henry brimmer
>
> here's the info:
>
> Manuals
> (all manuals are hard bound)
>         Gasoline
>         #511 Land Cruiser FJ Series   1975 ? 1984       $30
>         #507 Land Cruiser FJ Series   1985 ? 1990       $30
>         #517 Land Cruiser 80s 1FZ-FE Series   1992 ? 1996       $30
>         #506 Mini Truck / 4Runner  1979 ? 1989  $30
>         #516  2WD/4WD Mini Truck 1988 ? 1996    $30
>
>         Diesel
>         #502 Land Cruiser HJ Series 1980 ? 1990         $30
>
> Books
> (not Land Cruiser specific)
>         4WD Mechanic (471 pages ? soft cover)   $34
>         4WD Survival Guide (152 pages - soft cover)     $24
>
> How to order:
>
> 1. Clearly write which title(s) you are ordering
> 2. Send check or money order
> 3. Include a self-addressed mailing label to:
>
> Henry Brimmer
> 62 Jordan Avenue
> San Francisco, CA 94118
>
> hbrimmer@ix.netcom.com
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 07:47:39 -0400
From: Thomas Bank 
Subject: Re: Recaro Seats
Another way to get cheapie Recaros is to happen upon the woman who
divorced her husband (who was into autocross racing) and wants to get
rid of all that "stupid junk" out in the garage.  The pair of Recaros
for $150 were just one of the things I carted off.  Unfortunately, I can
see that this could come back to haunt me if my wife decides to do
similar with my garage full of Toyota stuff :-)
Thomas Bank
Harrisburg, Pennsylvania
'85 shortbed pickup
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 07:41:13 -0600 (MDT)
From: Scott Ellinger 
Subject: Re: Gears & fabrication
> > First a question - Will the rear gears from a later V-6 truck fit in
> >my 4 cyl ('85) rear end?  Is there special bearings that are used for this?
I believe that there is a special V6 carrier, and the gears do not
interchange.  The third member will bolt in as a whole, though.
> >
> > Also a question to all of you - after reading Jay's page about all of
> >his fabrication, i was wondering what most of you use to cut metal stock
> >with?  I'd sure love a plasma cutter, but I can't get myself to fork over
> the
> >$1200...  I have tried various saw blades, saws, cutters, etc, and most of
> >them were barely adequate.  I have a new (to me at least) 235 amp fourney
> arc
> >welder waiting to be really utilized (I am currently building my version of
> a
> >rear bumper for my '85 4runner, and trust me - you won't be able to bend
> this
> >sucker with a hi-lift :-0
> >
I use a 7" circular saw.  On everything.  No kidding.
I even used it to cut my rear quarterpanels when I got frustrated trying to
use a saber saw to do it.... :)
Metal cutting abrasive blades are $2-5 apiece, and usually last me a while.
If I'm working all day on stuff, I might change the blade once.  But it
depends a lot on how much work I'm doing, and what I'm doing; cutting curves
with a circular saw eats blades up kinda quick; they don't like to flex far,
and all that shallow cutting is rough on blade life.
- --scott
Scott Ellinger   ellinger@holly.colostate.edu   Larimer County 4WD Club
 Visit my Home Page: http://holly.colostate.edu/~ellinger
 '86 Toy pickup body, Ford 5.0, GMC NV4500, "slightly altered" RKSTMPR
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 07:45:46 -0600 (MDT)
From: Scott Ellinger 
Subject: Re: Gears & fabrication
> > tubing bebder $80 @ harbor frieght tools!
> > www.harborfrieght.com
> > tht is the cheapest one it will bend sch40   up to i think 2 1/2,
> > someone said it bends up rollbars of the in-cab type pretty well.
> > DARREN SINKEY
> > TRAILDOGG@WEBTV.NET
>
> Yeah, I saw that bender, but somehow, methinks I'll be bending up some
> pretty good looking lawn furniture.  Does it really bend that well without
> quality dies?  I'm assuming that it bends by placing pressure in the
> middle of the tube, not forcing it over a mandrel like the $$$ do.  Any
> firsthand remarks?  Comments?
>
One of the guys on the ORML has one of those, and he's really disappointed
with it.
Having seen it firsthand, but not used it, I'd say that you'll be lucky to
get what you pay for out of it; the construction is really unimpressive.
The problem is, decent benders cost some serious cash, and there's very
little quality stuff out there for under about $500 that can make good
rollcage bends.
FWIW, my bender, with *one* die set for 2" OD tube, and hand powered, was
just over $500 to my door, less stand.  Additional die sets run from $100
to $250 per.
- --scott
Scott Ellinger   ellinger@holly.colostate.edu   Larimer County 4WD Club
 Visit my Home Page: http://holly.colostate.edu/~ellinger
 '86 Toy pickup body, Ford 5.0, GMC NV4500, "slightly altered" RKSTMPR
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:04:55 -0400
From: Eli 
Subject: Hand Cleaning
I saw a post on the landcruiser list by a fellow who hasn't found a good
hand cleaner, so I though I'd share what I do.
First, the best substance I've found is wheat germ. Yep. If you have a
natural foods co-op or similar store around, go down and buy apund of it.
It works great, the girttiness gets grease right off.
However, I havn't been using it much recently. I just use those sponges
with the green scrubby on the back of them. Takes a little effort, but
works great! Any type of soap will work with these.
Eli Madden
Middlebury, Vermont
eli@computeralt.com
'83 SR5 4x4 Shortbed w/ '87 22R, 31" Muds, 3" Front Springs (sits level)
and increasing amounts of dents and scratches!
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:19:57 -0400
From: Eli 
Subject: Rust
Michael Rowe wrote-
**********************
speaking of rust, I've got serious rust on my 4Runner that I just found
about a month ago. The top of my cab is rusting from the
inside out at the rain gutter seams. I found some rust about the size of
two dimes and took some sand paper to it. Whoa! After
sanding it there was nothing but air left and a nice hole in my cab!
**********************
That's nothing! I have two holes in the floor of my cab that you can put
your arm through! One is even bigger than an arm, it's like 6" x 8". I
patched them with fiberglass the weekend before the VT Trail Run. At one
point in the trail run, I felt something pushing up below my left foot and
all of a sudden a log approx 3" thick appeared sticking up out of the
floor! Now that's rust!
(I won't even talk about my bed)
And yes, American vehicles rust just as fast as Toyotas. Trust me. The beds
are a different story though. They rust like crazy.
Our roads get so icy that we are allowed to run studded tires year-round.
They use a LOT of salt on these roads!
I've lost 2 cars to rust and rust-alone. A lot of cars around here will get
so rusty that they can't be legally driven anymore long before they stop
running.
I'm hoping I can get another vehicle for daily use and keep my Toy out of
the salt this winter.
Eli Madden
Middlebury, Vermont  <------RUST
eli@computeralt.com
'83 SR5 4x4 Shortbed w/ '87 22R, 31" Worn Studded Muds, 3" Front Springs
(old ones  got so rusty they broke), very rusty late '80s bed held together
by bedliner and patches (I wasn't going to talk about my bed), patched
frame due to rust, and increasing amounts of dents and scratches and RUST
ps.
 Did I say I hate rust? ;-)
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:14:51 -0400
From: adickenson@kpmg.com
Subject: Re[3]: 3.0L V6 Swap into A 1987 P-U???
 adickenson@kpmg.com wrote:
 >>It may be cheaper, but down the road isn't it better to have a
 >>Toyota engine under the hood?
 >Depends on your priorities........(I just kinda perused the bait, I
 >didn't take it  ;-)
 >Jay Kopycinski     '85 Toylet  (ROKTOY)
 I see your point.  If you want an engine that'll produce lotsa power,
 you will probably have to look at something else.  Obviously the
 Toyota will be more dependable, but sometimes that's not the only
 priority.
 Allen Dickenson
 1995 4Runner - "FT KNOX"
 1972 FJ-40 - still workin' on a name
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 98 09:38:10 -0600
From: bwiencek@kcnet.com
Subject: Re: Hand Cleaning
I have been using - get this - Liquid Dish Soap of all things - it "Cuts
Grease" real well....  I usually pour some in my hands, rub it around, then
when I have a nice black goo going I know it's lifting the grease, I add a
bit of water to finish it off... Best of all it's CHEAP!  A little fingernail
type brush does the finishing work.
>First, the best substance I've found is wheat germ. Yep. If you have a
>natural foods co-op or similar store around, go down and buy apund of it.
>It works great, the girttiness gets grease right off.
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:41:42 -0400
From: "Dr. Karl Bellve" 
Subject: Re: Rust
Eli wrote:
>
>
> I've lost 2 cars to rust and rust-alone. A lot of cars around here will get
> so rusty that they can't be legally driven anymore long before they stop
> running.
>
> I'm hoping I can get another vehicle for daily use and keep my Toy out of
> the salt this winter.
>
Eli, I think your toy is long past saving from salt :-) I think you got
more bondo and fiberglass than metal on your truck!
I fixed one piece of trail damage on my truck yesterday. Replaced a 2.5"
collector flange gasket. Now I am back to that Borla rumble but, my
brother-in-law still keeps saying I am missing half of my engine when he
looks under the hood. The rest of my custom exhaust held up very well.
I still have to fix one of my bushwacker flares. Duct tape is holding it
together now. I wouldn't even use them if they weren't hiding gaping
huge holes where rust was cut out.
- --
Cheers,
Karl Bellve, Ph.D.                   ICQ# 13956200
Biomedical Imaging Group               IM: kbellve
University of Massachusetts
Email: kdb@molmed.ummed.edu
Phone: (508) 856-6514
Fax:   (508) 856-1840
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 98 09:38:13 -0600
From: bwiencek@kcnet.com
Subject: Re: Gears & fabrication
>> I have tried various saw blades, saws, cutters, etc, and most of
>>them were barely adequate.
>
>I use an old Sears table saw with 7" metal blade for most straight line
>I had a Ryobi 10" chop saw that worked pretty well for short crosscuts, but
>sold it and bought a small bandsaw instead. I was gonna buy one of the
>small Taiwan bandsaws for about $180.
<
>
>also used my circular saw with a metal blade
Are these metal blades the $2-3 ones that you buy at sears, HQ, home deopt,
etc?  I can never get them to last more than a few cuts... I seem to 'burn'
through them awful quickly.  I think I'll start looking for a used Band Saw -
 I guess it doesn't matter if it's set up for wood or metal - that's just a
blade change right?  I guess I'm impatient and want good clean easy cuts in
thicker metal... I guess at around $3 a pop for those 'carbide metal cutting'
blades I can afford to go through quite a few before I can pay for a plasma
cutter.
- - Brian
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 17:23:41 -0700
From: "Richard Aguinsky" 
Subject: Re: Sulfur smell
I have the same problem, I just replaced the whole exhaust,
I wonder if a gasket is bad.
I can't detect any lead in front of the engine. I happens
when I'm accelerating or when the engine is cold.
Rich
'87  4Runner
Mannix wrote:
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:06:45 -0400
From: Litonjua_M 
Subject: Sulfur smell
Just wondering if any of you have had similar experiences:
Everytime I accelerate past between 65-70mph, I begin to smell a
sulfur-like odor.  I don't smell it any other time.  My 94 4runner is
stock, nothing has been done except servicing and head gasket change.
What could I possibly check first?
Mannix
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:24:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: TrailDogg@webtv.net (~Trail Dogg~)
Subject: Re: Gears & fabrication
i use the brownish colored ones, not the metal ones, home depot 10 pack
under $10
DARREN SINKEY
TRAILDOGG@WEBTV.NET
OROVILLE,CA./AZ IN 91-96
1982 TOYOTA 4X4 LONGBED
7"@33"
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:27:17 -0700
From: "Bob Williams" 
Subject: hi lift jack
I'm going to buy a hi-lift jack today.  Dick Cepeck, my favorite shop to
hate, has them on sale in the 48" size for $49.
Aren't there stamped and cast versions of this jack?  And isn't the cast
version the one to use off-road?
They also have the other jack, I think its 68" in length, for $69.  Which
would be a better length between the two for off-road?
Thanks
Bob Williams, Las Vegas, NV
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:41:05 -0700
From: Chris Geiger 
Subject: Re: hi lift jack
Bob Williams wrote:
> Aren't there stamped and cast versions of this jack?  And isn't the cast
> version the one to use off-road?
I am happy with the cast version I have, it's been great.
> They also have the other jack, I think its 68" in length, for $69.  Which
> would be a better length between the two for off-road?
I purchased the longer one and cut it down to 50" so that it would fit in the
back of my 4runner and hold my tools in place. One time I got stuck in mud and
was trying to lift the rear of the truck out but the jack was not tall enough to
lift the truck and get the wheels out of the mud. The longer the better!
Chris Geiger 93 4Runner http://geiger.ic.ucsb.edu/offroad.html
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