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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 10:38:35 -0700
From: timl@canine.mti.sgi.com (Tim Layman)
Subject: Re: Short Delivery Time / A/C

On Aug 19, 10:24pm, Bryan Platt wrote:
> Subject: Dealers with easy availability?
> Does anybody know of a dealer who's been able to get M's for people quickly in Northern California? We'd
even be willing to go to LA if necessary. We've been on the waiting list with Hacienda Motors (Pleasanton,
CA) since 11/97. During that time, the sales guy has called once. When we've called him to ask questions
about new colors, features, etc. he either hasn't known anything or has been flat out wrong!
>
> At this point we're pretty sure we've wasted 9 months waiting, and are looking to take action.
>
> Any thoughts?

Yeah, I think I'm starting to get pissed off. Obviously not at you Leo but at Northern
Ca. dealers who are keeping myself waiting and in the dark for months and Bryan Platt
waiting and in the dark for almost a year.

Time to start calling around this weekend. I'll report on what I find. FYI, I am
holding out for a blue one. I'm also going to write to MBUSA to inform them of
the imbalance.

Tim

p.s. I think it's the old mushroom syndrome. (How do you keep mushrooms happy?
You keep them in the dark and feed them shit...)

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 11:09:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: Scott Teilhaber <jazzpaging@yahoo.com>
Subject: re: Manik Steps and rear light guards

Just got finished with the brush/light Guard. 2 hours for 1 person.
Leans a little to passenger side, about 1/4 inch. Anyone have
suggestions for left to right?

They only had front to back. I will tug it with my skid steer if no
one has any ideas.

- ---andrew_jones@phoenix.com wrote:
>
> All Right Scott !!,
>
> Now where is the picture? Can't wait !!

I will bet pictures next week. I will borrow MY nikon from my wife:)

I am putting in the remote start/alarm right now. My wife is bringing
my truck down so I can program the top 2 buttons to my truck and the
bottom 2 to the ML.

Cool, one remote and two cars!:)

I am so good I can't stand it! <smile>

After today I am finished with the car with the exception of 8 more
speakers:)

Cheers

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 11:16:02 PDT
From: <andrew_jones@phoenix.com> (Andrew Jones)
Subject: Re: Short Delivery Time / A/C

Longest wait in southern Ca. is three months for a 99'. Caliber Motors has plenty of 98's in stock now!
Take a trip and wait no longer. I have an early production and have had only one problem=the remotes. If you swing by Caliber ask for Jeff Cotton and tell him I sent you. Maybe I'll squeeze a golf shirt out of him and sell it to Scott. :)
By the way, duing the longest wait (begining last Sept.) I only had to wait 6 months not 12.

________________________________________________________
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714-790-2181
fax:714-790-2001
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From: Tim Layman <timl@canine.mti.sgi.com>, on 8/20/98 10:38 AM:

Time to start calling around this weekend. I'll report on what I find. FYI, I am
holding out for a blue one. I'm also going to write to MBUSA to inform them of
the imbalance.

Tim

p.s. I think it's the old mushroom syndrome. (How do you keep mushrooms happy?
You keep them in the dark and feed them shit...)

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:13:54 EDT
From: MAH4546@aol.com
Subject: Re: What Happened to Red???????

In a message dated 98-08-20 07:34:34 EDT, you write:

<< Does anyone know why MB will not offer this color. Is it to loud,
costly, or is there fear of questionable interest in the color? >>

I heard they were going to offer Magma Red, but then they discontinued it,
however, i also heard of somebody who took delivery of a Red ML.

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:23:45 -0400
From: Dave Hsu <hsu@arquebus.eng.us.uu.net>
Subject: platinum plugs, imperial red and cellphone wiring

>From:"W. C. Fenner" <wcfenner@panther.bsc.edu>
>
>We are trying to decide between the new 32V V8 Navigator or the ML430, but
>I have something else to discuss. You mention that the ML has a 100,000
>mile tune-up interval. As a long time Ford fan, I am here to tell you
>that plugs don't last that long at least in the Ford's we have owned. At
>least have them checked at 60,000 miles.
>... 100K tune-up intervals are a marketing ploy,
>be it from domestic or foreign manufacturers.

Makes sense. This URL seems to be rather informative on the issue:
http://www.ngksparkplugs.com/Pages/mustang.html
For what it's worth, they recommend 60k intervals even with platinum.
They should know what they're talking about; I believe they hold the
patent on plug electrodes with bonded solid platinum pads.

>From:"Sammy Shobassy" <sammysho@hotmail.com>
>Subject: What Happened to Red???????
>
>I was informed by a MB dealer that the ML430 would be offered in
>Imperial Red, a candy-apple red color. Being the big fan of red cars
>that I am, I put my order for one that color only to find that they
>decided to not offer this color. I thus chose Black, but had my heart
>set on Red with Tan interior.
>
>Does anyone know why MB will not offer this color. Is it to loud,
>costly, or is there fear of questionable interest in the color?

I was told they've discontinued Imperial Red in all models for 1999,
despite its popularity (especially in the C36 and C43).

>From: Pedro Romero de Terreros <terreros@yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: Cellular antenna wiring
>
>I don?t remember where I saw it (Maybe in Horold?s website) but as far
>as I know the antenna wiring is for analog celular, so probably it
>will no do with your digital.

It's an 800MHz system AFAIK; I looked between the roof liner and the
structure and the mount base is already prewired and mounted to the
roof. The head end is supposedly taped to the rear of the receiver.

- -dave

- --
==
Dave Hsu <hsu@eng.us.uu.net> http://www.va.pubnix.com/staff/hsu
Product Architect Standard disclaimers apply.
Systems Engineering"When the hors d'oeuvres are passed, take two."
UUNET Technologies, Inc. - Kleiner's law

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:50:28 -0600
From: Dana Ehlen <Djehlen@ci.aurora.co.us>
Subject: RE the nun

I knew Suburbans were big but I never would have thought to play golf
in one. I would fear I might slice the seat cover.

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:59:17 -0600
From: Dana Ehlen <Djehlen@ci.aurora.co.us>
Subject: re off road

I have had my ml in off road situations that most owners would not
dream of and yes the Generals are awful in mud and barely adequate in
grvel/dirt. However even though better tires would be a big help the Mls
biggest shortcoming off road is do to the poor ground cleaence and
limited wheel travel. However it is more than capable for 99% of the off
road challenges it wil recieve. I completed the skyline loop out of
Silverton Co. without body damage and most reasonable people won't try
that in lesser vehicles than a CJ.

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:57:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: Scott Teilhaber <jazzpaging@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Short Delivery Time / A/C

- ---andrew_jones@phoenix.com wrote:
>
Caliber ask for Jeff Cotton and tell him I sent you. Maybe I'll
squeeze a golf shirt out of him and sell it to Scott. :)

Heh... Got my white one but if you get the blue, get me a large:)

Cheers

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:11:49 -0600
From: Dom Isbell <DIsbell@deltagroupinc.com>
Subject: RE: re off road

The ground clearance (8.4") is second only to the 4Runner (9.8").
Others are:
Explorer 6.7" (lame)
Jeep GC 7.6"
Land Rover SE7 8.1"
Pathfinder LE 7.5"
Mitsubishi Montero SR 7.5"

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dana Ehlen [SMTP:Djehlen@ci.aurora.co.us]
> Sent: Thursday, August 20, 1998 2:59 PM
> To: m-class@moab.off-road.com
> Subject: re off road
>
> I have had my ml in off road situations that most owners would not
> dream of and yes the Generals are awful in mud and barely adequate in
> grvel/dirt. However even though better tires would be a big help the
> Mls
> biggest shortcoming off road is do to the poor ground cleaence and
> limited wheel travel. However it is more than capable for 99% of the
> off
> road challenges it wil recieve. I completed the skyline loop out of
> Silverton Co. without body damage and most reasonable people won't try
> that in lesser vehicles than a CJ.
>
>
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:28:52 PDT
From: <andrew_jones@phoenix.com> (Andrew Jones)
Subject: re: re off road

Have you got any pictures you would care to share with us?

I for one, am always interested in off-road stories/pics/ways to make the 'M'more off-road capable.

From: Dana Ehlen <Djehlen@ci.aurora.co.us>, on 8/20/98 1:59 PM:

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 17:30:47 -0400
From:"Ken K. Yee" <kenyee@keysolutions.com>
Subject: RE: re off road

On 08/20/98 05:11:49 PM, Dom Isbell wrote:
> The ground clearance (8.4") is second only to the 4Runner (9.8").

I thought so as well, but the wheel articulation (wheel travel
possible) is more important...look at Harold's page where
there is an in-depth discussion of this...

ken

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:56:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: Scott Teilhaber <jazzpaging@yahoo.com>
Subject: re: Manik Steps and rear light guards

Man, am I having a hard time with the wiring for the alarm/remote
start. 3 ignition wires and 2 accessory wires and they are in a clumb
with thousands of the same colors that I am looking for.

Sheesh...

- ---andrew_jones@phoenix.com wrote:
>
> All Right Scott !!,

> Now where is the picture? Can't wait !!

Soon as I borrow my Nikon from my wife:)

Cheers,

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:06:04 -0600
From: Dom Isbell <DIsbell@deltagroupinc.com>
Subject: RE: re off road

Ken
Where at Harold's site?

Ground clearance is important in the New Mexico mountains. The roads in
the National Forests become so rutted in the Spring after the snow melt
due to the logging activity. The logging trucks wear tracks somtimes a
foot deep into the roads. You can ride the center and one side only if
there isn't a tree to contend with along the way. Careful crossing over
as it's very easy to get high centered.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken K. Yee [SMTP:kenyee@keysolutions.com]
> Sent: Thursday, August 20, 1998 3:31 PM
> To: m-class@moab.off-road.com
> Subject: RE: re off road
>
>
> On 08/20/98 05:11:49 PM, Dom Isbell wrote:
> > The ground clearance (8.4") is second only to the 4Runner (9.8").
>
> I thought so as well, but the wheel articulation (wheel travel
> possible) is more important...look at Harold's page where
> there is an in-depth discussion of this...
>
> ken
>
>
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 18:16:51 -0400
From:"Ken K. Yee" <kenyee@keysolutions.com>
Subject: RE: re off road

On 08/20/98 06:06:04 PM, Dom Isbell wrote:
> Where at Harold's site?

I think it was at Harold P's site (www.4x4abc.com) but
he went over his bandwidth limit for the month so we can't
get at it :-(

ken

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:17:09 PDT
From: <andrew_jones@phoenix.com> (Andrew Jones)
Subject: re: Manik Steps and rear light guards

We feel for ya Scott.

Hang in there.

Oh , umm ...we can't wait until you are done either. :)

From: Scott Teilhaber <jazzpaging@yahoo.com>, on 8/20/98 1:56 PM:

Man, am I having a hard time with the wiring for the alarm/remote
start. 3 ignition wires and 2 accessory wires and they are in a clumb
with thousands of the same colors that I am looking for.

Sheesh...

- ---andrew_jones@phoenix.com wrote:
>
> All Right Scott !!,

> Now where is the picture? Can't wait !!

Soon as I borrow my Nikon from my wife:)

Cheers,

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:14:22 -0400
From:"Roger Heuckeroth" <heuckeroth@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Say it isn't so...

To this guy the difference is a few hours of interest on his nine figure net
worth.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Bill Naylor <naylor@mindspring.com>
To: m-class@moab.off-road.com <m-class@moab.off-road.com>
Date: Thursday, August 20, 1998 1:41 PM
Subject: RE: Say it isn't so...

>It also costs significantly more $$$$$...
>
>--BN
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-m-class@moab.off-road.com
>> [mailto:owner-m-class@moab.off-road.com]On Behalf Of GC9536@aol.com
>> Sent: Thursday, August 20, 1998 12:27 AM
>> To: m-class@moab.off-road.com
>> Subject: Re: Say it isn't so...
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 98-08-19 00:19:06 EDT, you write:
>>
>> << I just learned that a particularly wealthy acquaintance of
>> mine turned in
>> his 88 ML320 for a MB station wagon. >>
>>
>> actually I kind of like the MB station wagon, the one that has the
E-class
>> front looks very solid as a MB car. But it's not an suv with off-road
>> capabilities which the M-class has.
>>
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:54:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: Kuehnlfr@webtv.net (Frank Kuehnl)
Subject: re: Manik Steps and rear light guards

scott,

welcome to the wonderfull world of MB electrical, it's even better when
you are trying to find a problem, everything checks out, but the damn
thing still does not work!

i know how ya feel,

Frank Kuehnl

State of Michigan Master Auto. Technician

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 17:05:16 -0700
From:"soolim" <soolim@home.net>
Subject: Remote starts

Scott wrote:
I am doing the remote start/alarm today Either Python or Viper. I
will let you know how they turn out tomorrow.

OK Scott. I am eagerly awaiting your first hand experience in the remote
start work. Please keep us posted. I am considering Viper as a remote
start only.

Have you given any thoughts regarding warranty issues with MB in doing the
remote start?

soolim

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:57:34 -0400
From: Edward Agranat <eagranat@ma.ultranet.com>
Subject: Re: Dealers with easy availability?

If you saw my post last Monday PM, you'd know you aren't alone! Today I sent a nastygram to our dealer's sales manager, but it won't do any good. When you've got a business where you can sell all the product you can get (and at list price +), it's probably human nature to be arrogant and ignore the niceties of"customer service". I found another dealer and am now on a short(er) list for a 430.\
Ed

Bryan Platt wrote:

> We've been on the waiting list with Hacienda Motors (Pleasanton, CA) since 11/97. During that time, the sales guy has called once. At this point we're pretty sure we've wasted 9 months waiting, and are looking to take action.
>

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 20:03:31 -0400
From: Edward Agranat <eagranat@ma.ultranet.com>
Subject: Re: tune up

My first cars required sparkplug changes -- or at least brushing and filing--
every 5K miles or so (and needed their carburettors adjusted twice a month). .
. so the concept of plugs lasting 100K miles boggles the mind! Even at 50K
miles, $20+/- worth of plugs is cheap.
Ed

W. C. Fenner wrote:

> As a long time Ford fan, I am here to tell you that plugs don't last that
> long at least in the Ford's we have owned. At least have them checked at
> 60,000 miles. I think you will find them to be extremely worn.

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 20:10:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: Kuehnlfr@webtv.net (Frank Kuehnl)
Subject: MB power seat bulliten 1

due to popular request, i deceided to post this message. to avoid
violating the copyright/contract, it is just a detailed outline.

the AAM (N10) controles the power seats. a setting at the factory ony
allows power seat (ps) to be operated by circuit 15c. this circuit is
live only with the key in the"on" posisition. a brilliant engineer
somwhere wired the ps with the power windows, and as you are well aware,
federal law pohibits power window operation without the key in the
ignition, execpt in highly speciffic situations which do not apply here.

this"fix" was published in direct response to customer requests.

"note: this procedure is a customer optional enhancement and not a
repair and as such is not eligible for warrenty reimbursement."

have all parts available, including the special tool 963 589 01 33 00.
disconnect and isolate the - battery cable. remove the fuse box lid,
remove the 5 screw holding the E-box cover. loosen the 2 screws for the
relay/fuse box, this will allow acess to the connecters underneath.
becarefull not to damage the cover atches at the front of the E-box.
find and disconnect the relay/fuse box connector. P/C green 14 pin
connector.

(continues on thread"MB power seat bulliten 2")

Frank Kuehnl

State of Michigan Master Auto. Technician

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 17:16:00 -0700
From:"Rabbani, Hyder" <hyder.rabbani@intel.com>
Subject: Manik Side Steps

I wanted to let you all know that I recently purchased the Manik Side
Steps and installed them in about an hour and half.

This was a relatively easy process and required no drilling of holes.

If you are considering side steps -- these not only look great but
also can be self installed in virtually no time.

Hyder Rabbani
E-mail: hyder.rabbani@intel.com

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 17:16:00 -0700
From:"Rabbani, Hyder" <hyder.rabbani@intel.com>
Subject: Rear Seat Belts

I've been experiencing my rear seat belts twisting when the kids wear
them.

Has anyone found a solution for this?

Hyder Rabbani
E-mail: hyder.rabbani@intel.com

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 17:15:00 -0700
From:"Rabbani, Hyder" <hyder.rabbani@intel.com>
Subject: Squeaks in Cargo/Tailgate area

I have a 98 M-class (4K mi) with the M1 pkge.

There is a constant squeaking/creaking that appears to be in the
cargo/tailgate area.

I've removed the cargo liner, first aid kid and also ensured that the
jack is tightly secured.

I am unable to locate the source. It is more prevelant when turning
in either direction or when the vehicle travels over slightly bumpy
road surfaces.

Has anyone else experienced this? If so, what was the resolution.

Hyder Rabbani
E-mail: hyder.rabbani@intel.com

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 20:54:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: Kuehnlfr@webtv.net (Frank Kuehnl)
Subject: MB power seat bulliten 2

(cotinued from thread"MB power seat bulliten 1")

open the even side of the connector to expose the terminals. the
supplemental harness, 163 540 56 05, includes two fuse holders, a
ring terminal, and a two pole connector. both plastic shells are
supplied with the harness, but only one has the terminals installed.
the female terminals removed in the next step will be inserted in the
male side of the plastic connector. remove the wire terminal in
cavitys 12 and 8.

insert the wire removed from cavity 12 into cavity A of the new
connector, the wire from cav. 8 goes into cav. B of the new connector.
close the lock on the connector, then connect ti to the connector on the
harness.

remove the nut from the fuse box circuit 30 stud, and install the ring
terminal, then tighten the nut.

set the fuse box in place and install 2 screws. route the new harness
and 2 fuse holders into the are above the fuse box and install the E-box
cover with 5 screws.

remove the two 30A fuses for the power seats from the fuse box, f32 and
f33. insall both of them in the new fuse holders.

twist the 2 fuse holders sideways and attach them to the rear side of
the fuse box, using the wire tie.

replace the lid for the fuse box, and attach the - battery terminal.
test operatio of the power seats and windows, note that the power
windows will operate if the ignition was on, switched off, until any
door is opened.

re-code the radio, reset the clock/date in the trip computer and
re-synchronize the sunroof.

"note: this procedure is not elligible for warrenty reimbursement."

there you go, that is the basic procedure. just from reading this
bulliten, i can tell that this job is a pain and a half. if you do not
have experience using the special tool to remove wire terminals, do not
attempt to do so. i do not reccomend trying to do this one yourself, i
think that it is not worth the hassle, and there are many possibilitys
of breakage or other damage. this will result in another trip to the
dealer + another harness. i will try and help to the best of my
abilitys if you do deceide to do this, but my honest opionion is don't
try it.

good luck,

Frank Kuehnl

State of Michigan Master Auto. Technician

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