Toyota 4x4 digest:      Wednesday, April 14 1999      Volume 02 : Number 347
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Driveshafts - Attn: 88 V6 owners
RE: Trailmaster Body Lift Kit on Ebay
Parts for sale  - lowerd some prices
Winches and ARB bumpers
RE: hubs on ebay
Re: Driveshafts - Attn: 88 V6 owners
Tacoma problem
Re: Tacoma problem
Hubs
Tires & Lifts
Motor mounts
Re: Driveline and gears
Re: hubs on ebay
20R intake/Mikuni 44mm
Smokey Mountain Venture in NC.
Re: Smokey Mountain Venture in NC.
Re: Cost of air lockers
Re: Driveshafts - Attn: 88 V6 owners
Re: Driveline and gears
Re: Hubs
Electric locker (in Canada)
Re: Electric locker (in Canada)
Aisan hubs
Jacks
RE: Hubs
RE: Jacks
one less 4runner in the world :(
RE: Hubs
RE: Jacks
Re: 97 tacoma v6 edlebrock header melted my clutch line
RE: one less 4runner in the world :(
Personal Bio Info
Re: Jacks
RE: Jacks
Re: one less 4runner in the world :(
Oil overfill harmful?
Re: [Oil overfill harmful?]
Any Rides coming up in No-Va?
Bumper for sale
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 12:42:16 -0700
From: Scott Wilson 
Subject: Driveshafts - Attn: 88 V6 owners
Marlin had told me about this awhile back, but this week when I went to
have a new driveshaft made, I learned just what a hassle it is.  I'll
tell you about it now, so it doesn't surprise you when you go to do
anything with your driveshafts.
It seems the 88 V6's, and earlier Turbo's, came from the factory with
oversized driveshaft flanges on the rear pinion and Xfer case output.  I
don't know if the front shaft is effected yet or not.
If other V6 owners (other years I mean) have also run into this problem,
please let me know.  I'm under the impression it was only the 1988 V6's.
If you're going to replace the rear driveshaft, your options are to use
another Toyota shaft that will fit those special oversized flanges, or
to redrill you existing flanges (which is not all that easy).   To drill
out the flanges you will need a drill press, and need to make a jig
(mine was as simple as using a hole saw to cut the right size hole
through a block of wood) to hold the flange, due to its odd shape.
Now my flanges have both bolt patterns drilled into them, one 45 degrees
off from the other.  This way I'll be able to run which ever driveshaft
I want.  I'm going to carry the one I bashed up this weekend as a spare
(which uses the original bolt pattern), and usually use the shaft I'm
having made for me today (which will use the 'normal' bolt pattern).
Scott
- --
 | _____o
o~~~|/~/~|~\~~~~~~~~~~~      Scott Wilson
 o  |?????????:       /    Santa Clara, CA
 O */_\---/_\      /    TLCA, CA4WDC member
 (_)   (_)    /  http://www.off-road.com/~swilson
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 16:14:50 -0400
From: "Ken Flesher" 
Subject: RE: Trailmaster Body Lift Kit on Ebay
> I didn't think most body lift kits were more than $89 or so - at least
> last time I checked on the price for a 2 or 3" kit - definately NOT over
> $100 - unless this truck requires some odball custom parts that they have
> included (auto shifter extension??)  Just be forewarned that *a lot* of
> stuff goes for HIGH $$ on e-bay (good for seller, bad for buyer...)  Just
> making sure someone checks first before thinking they're getting a deal at
> 1/2 his $300 price...
I thought $300 was kinda high, seems inflated.
Gee, the bidding is pretty heavy on the Aisin hubs. Looks like we got 3
listers bidding for them!
- -KLF
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 17:38:48 EDT
From: DRM033@aol.com
Subject: Parts for sale  - lowerd some prices
Since the list traffic is so slow :) I thought I thought I would post this
again.  I have quite a few items still for sale & would just love to get rid
of!  Check out my page & see if there is anything you need.  I lowered the
prices on a few of them.
David
DRM033@aol.com
http://www.tennessee4x4.com/toyota
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 17:49:21 -0400
From: "Ken Flesher" 
Subject: Winches and ARB bumpers
Thanks to all for the replies on fitting a Warn X8000i winch in an ARB
bumper. He ended up taking the truck over to the 4WPW store in Oakland last
weekend, and they looked it up, called the ARB distributor, and were assured
that there is a model that will accept this winch. So, he ordered the
bumper. We're hoping it's gonna arrive in the next 4 weeks.
I'll let you all know if in fact it does fit when it arrives, and if I get
the chance to install it.
- -KLF
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 15:21:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: Kenny 
Subject: RE: hubs on ebay
I won!!
Just extra junk to have around in the garage. :)
On Tue, 13 Apr 1999, Ken Flesher wrote:
> Gee, the bidding is pretty heavy on the Aisin hubs. Looks like we got 3
> listers bidding for them!
>
> -KLF
>
>
- --------------------------------------------
Kenneth H. Fong
San Francisco State University
415-605-7276
http://mercury.sfsu.edu/~stealth
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 16:33:19 -0700
From: Hollis Ferris 
Subject: Re: Driveshafts - Attn: 88 V6 owners
Hmmmm, this is interesting...I sold my '88 V6 rearend to Brandon Miller, and
replaced it with a '84 4cyl. type, and the driveshaft bolted right back up
to the 4 cyl. rearend....Maybe it was some sort of option Scott??????
Scott Wilson wrote:
> Marlin had told me about this awhile back, but this week when I went to
> have a new driveshaft made, I learned just what a hassle it is.  I'll
> tell you about it now, so it doesn't surprise you when you go to do
> anything with your driveshafts.
>
> It seems the 88 V6's, and earlier Turbo's, came from the factory with
> oversized driveshaft flanges on the rear pinion and Xfer case output.  I
> don't know if the front shaft is effected yet or not.
>
> If other V6 owners (other years I mean) have also run into this problem,
> please let me know.  I'm under the impression it was only the 1988 V6's.
>
> If you're going to replace the rear driveshaft, your options are to use
> another Toyota shaft that will fit those special oversized flanges, or
> to redrill you existing flanges (which is not all that easy).   To drill
> out the flanges you will need a drill press, and need to make a jig
> (mine was as simple as using a hole saw to cut the right size hole
> through a block of wood) to hold the flange, due to its odd shape.
>
> Now my flanges have both bolt patterns drilled into them, one 45 degrees
> off from the other.  This way I'll be able to run which ever driveshaft
> I want.  I'm going to carry the one I bashed up this weekend as a spare
> (which uses the original bolt pattern), and usually use the shaft I'm
> having made for me today (which will use the 'normal' bolt pattern).
>
> Scott
> --
>     | _____o
> o~~~|/~/~|~\~~~~~~~~~~~      Scott Wilson
>  o  |?????????:       /    Santa Clara, CA
>   O */_\---/_\      /    TLCA, CA4WDC member
>      (_)   (_)    /  http://www.off-road.com/~swilson
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 18:33:21 -0500
From: "Neil McMullen" 
Subject: Tacoma problem
My 1996 Tacoma V6 with automatic is having a problem i'm hoping list members
can help me with.  It seems that after I drive for around 30 minutes there
is a high pitched sound that can be heard coming from the back drivers side
of the engine compartment.  This occurs only at idle.  I think the problem
is vacuum related because if I squeeze the vacuum line between the charcoal
canister (the noise itself is NOT coming from the canister - i'm aware of
that 'normal' noise) and the solenoid mounted on the firewall the noise
stops.  Is the solenoid that controls the vacuum going bad?  If so how could
I test it?  (There does not appear to be any holes in the vacuum lines).
Any help is greatly appreciated,
Neil McMullen
1996 Toyota Tacoma 4x4 SR5 V6
mailto:mcmullen@asde.com
P.S.  Today I got a "Special service campaign" notice regarding the
headgasket  on my Tacoma.  I figured Toyota would have figured it out that
they already fixed it last year (thanks to advice from Jim Brink).
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 17:04:27 -0700
From: Jim Brink 
Subject: Re: Tacoma problem
Neil McMullen wrote:
>
> My 1996 Tacoma V6 with automatic is having a problem i'm hoping list members
> can help me with.  It seems that after I drive for around 30 minutes there
> is a high pitched sound that can be heard coming from the back drivers side
> of the engine compartment.  This occurs only at idle.  I think the problem
> is vacuum related because if I squeeze the vacuum line between the charcoal
> canister (the noise itself is NOT coming from the canister - i'm aware of
> that 'normal' noise) and the solenoid mounted on the firewall the noise
> stops.  Is the solenoid that controls the vacuum going bad?  If so how could
> I test it?  (There does not appear to be any holes in the vacuum lines).
>
> Any help is greatly appreciated,
> P.S.  Today I got a "Special service campaign" notice regarding the
> headgasket  on my Tacoma.  I figured Toyota would have figured it out that
> they already fixed it last year (thanks to advice from Jim Brink).
Hey Neil,
There is a TSB for this. It is really a resonance from the hose for the
EVAP canister. I don't have the TSB info. with me at the moment (anyone
else maybe?). I can look it up if you like.
- --
Jim Brink, Manhattan Beach, CA                   toytech@off-road.com
Toyota/ASE Certified Technician      http://www.off-road.com/~toytech/
**********************************************************************
1986 Std. Bed 4WD  -   TLCA  -  Friends of the Mojave Road  -  CA4WDC
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 17:12:35 -0700
From: Brian Rosa 
Subject: Hubs
 Jim or anyone else,
 I found a guy on the internet that has about 30 pairs of asian hubs
off of trucks from years '82 through '90, but he does not
know that there is a difference between IFS and solid axle
hubs.  Is there something visually obvious to tell the difference?
Thanks,
Brian
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 16:16:00 -0700
From: "Ronald Sisko" 
Subject: Tires & Lifts
Jay a couple of questions about your post.
(Ron)
>>The front torque rod bracket on the axle should be extended to allow
greater
>>travel.
(Jay)
>Just realize that this will introduce additional bump steer at the front
axle.
How could keeping the torque rod at it's original angle after doing a spring
and shackle lift on a 83' Toy pickup increase bumpsteer?
(Ron)
>>A drop draglink will take pressure off steering box and allow Drivers
>front to drop lower.
(Jay)
>That is not true. A dropped draglink will only provide additional length
>and allow it to clear the u-bolts. It will not correct the steering
geometry.
>
I can see how using a drop drag link to level the angle would keep it from
hitting the ubolts. But when you do a suspension lift the distance between
the pitman arm and steering arm are increased and the total travail of the
steering arm is decreased. That's simple Trigonometry. This increased angle
also causes the steering box to work harder. I have set up linkage on
several damper motors for the HVAC systems. The more angle the linkage has
to work at the harder it is on the little 24-volt  motors you can hear this
right away when you test run a new linkage configuration.
83' SR-5 -w- NWOR 3.5" Lift -w- greaseable shackles, drop draglink
Does Tech shocks, Heavy-duty tierod & motor mounts, Smitty's F&R
32.5" x 10.5" Buckshots, Canopy (to keep trail tools safe and dry)
Kennwood Stereo, Uniden CB, Clifford alarm
 This ain't no ROAD PRINCESS
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 16:21:49 -0700
From: "Ronald Sisko" 
Subject: Motor mounts
Subject: Re: Motor mounts
Brian I traded around the mounts (putting stock on right side and other NWOR
mount on the left) then went out for a test drive. No motor mount problems.
The NWOR mount that failed had almost no contact cement on the top half of
the mount. Great quality control. We'll see what NWOR says about it though.
I wish I had a very strong motor and low gears but that will come later.
Thanks again.
83' SR-5 -w- NWOR 3.5" Lift -w- greaseable shackles, drop draglink
Does Tech shocks, Heavy-duty tierod & motor mounts, Smitty's F&R
32.5" x 10.5" Buckshots, Canopy (to keep trail tools safe and dry)
Kennwood Stereo, Uniden CB, Clifford alarm
 This ain't no ROAD PRINCESS
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 16:29:59 -0700
From: "Ronald Sisko" 
Subject: Re: Driveline and gears
- -----Original Message-----
From: Ronald Sisko 
To: toy4x4@tlca.org 
Date: Sunday, April 11, 1999 11:22 AM
Subject: Driveline and gears
>When I was out yesterday I smacked my drive line on a few rocks now there
is
>oil flung all over under the bed. It appears the front seal is fried and
the
>cover around the input shaft to the rear diff is bent up. I just got the
>drive line rebuilt and am wondering if it should be checked out again. To
>fix the leak I'm going to get the 5.29s and do it all at once. I got a
price
>of $175.00 for gears, bearings & Crust sleeve does this seem right. Does
>anyone have a page about doing this work. The shop is going to throw in a
>instruction pamphlet is that all I should need. What about special tools?
>TIA
>83' SR-5 -w- NWOR 3.5" Lift -w- greaseable shackles, drop draglink
>Does Tech shocks, Heavy-duty tierod & motor mounts, Smitty's F&R
>32.5" x 10.5" Buckshots, Canopy (to keep trail tools safe and dry)
>Kennwood Stereo, Uniden CB, Clifford alarm
>        This ain't no ROAD PRINCESS
PS. I read the card I got from Randy's Ring & Pinion wrong
Ring & Pinion $175.00 each
Install kit $120.00  Bearings crush sleeve ( I didn't note single or both on
this item)
I'm going to call them on Wed. and check prices again. Didn't get home in
time today.
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 21:23:54 -0700
From: robert bascom 
Subject: Re: hubs on ebay
Kenny wrote:
>
> I won!!
> Just extra junk to have around in the garage. :)
>
> On Tue, 13 Apr 1999, Ken Flesher wrote:
>
> > Gee, the bidding is pretty heavy on the Aisin hubs. Looks like we got 3
> > listers bidding for them!
> >
> > -KLF
> >
> >
>
> --------------------------------------------
> Kenneth H. Fong
> San Francisco State University
> 415-605-7276
> http://mercury.sfsu.edu/~stealthMan if i hadnt a had to go to school today ya wouldn't a beat me. Doh. I
knew i shoulda skipped :)
Ryan
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 23:12:01 +0000
From: Andy Mayer 
Subject: 20R intake/Mikuni 44mm
Does anyone have an intake for a 20R head for dual Mikuni 44mm sidedraft
carbs??  I am currently running the carbs on a 22R head and would like
to switch over.  Or how about a source??
Andy
Rochester, NY
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 23:30:30 -0400
From: "Norman Tomlins" 
Subject: Smokey Mountain Venture in NC.
Anyone going to the Smokey Mountain Venture this coming week?   I will be
leaving Canada (Toronto) and driving down to North Carolina and was
wondering if any one from the list will be there?
Norman
1985 4Runner, 3 1/2 Lift, 33x12.5, 22RE, 5SPD, 4.30 Gears.
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 23:51:43 EDT
From: Iwheel4x4@aol.com
Subject: Re: Smokey Mountain Venture in NC.
> Anyone going to the Smokey Mountain Venture this coming week?   I will be
>  leaving Canada (Toronto) and driving down to North Carolina and was
>  wondering if any one from the list will be there?
Nope, but I'll be there the weekend of May 19-23 for GSMTR.  36 days and
counting!!!   WOOHOO!!!!!   :-P
Allen Dickenson     IWheel4x4@aol.com
http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Trails/8895/
1995 4Runner Limited - "FT KNOX" - Downey 1.5" HD coils, t-bars cranked, Rear
Lock-Right, ARB Bull Bar, custom rocksliders, Rancho RS9000?s front, RS5000?s
rear, 32x11.5" BFG M/T?s, K&N drop-in, raised diff. breathers, low-profile
bumpstops, sway bars removed, Warn Premium hubs, Hella 100W 500's.
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 20:57:18 -0700
From: "Meres & Kellee" 
Subject: Re: Cost of air lockers
It's not even close to X-Mass yet , thank god.
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Leo G. Divinagracia III 
To: 
Sent: Monday, April 12, 1999 11:37 AM
Subject: Re: Cost of Air Lockers
> > From: "Meres & Kellee" 
> > but I will be giving them as X-mass gift to everybody I know
> > with a air locker.  All praise the blue air line
>
> hey meres,
>
> i got in arb.  i'll be expecting 'my 'gift' soon... 8-))
> -----------------------
> Leo G. Divinagracia III
> ldivinag@csuhayward.edu
>
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 22:45:15 -0600
From: "Packrat" 
Subject: Re: Driveshafts - Attn: 88 V6 owners
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Hollis Ferris 
> Hmmmm, this is interesting...I sold my '88 V6 rearend to Brandon Miller,
and
> replaced it with a '84 4cyl. type, and the driveshaft bolted right back up
> to the 4 cyl. rearend....Maybe it was some sort of option Scott??????
>
>
I ran into this when I put an '89 tranny/transfer in my '82. Luckily I got
the '89 front driveshaft which had the larger flange pattern along with the
transfer case. The flanges were interchangeable so I swapped the rear from
the transfer case to the front differential so I have large
flange/driveshaft in front and the original smaller pattern in the rear.
BTW, the tranny was from a 4 banger, not a V-6, so the larger flange isn't
unique to V-6s unless there are three sizes?
Art
packrat@thuntek.net
Albq, NM
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 08:03:42 EDT
From: DRM033@aol.com
Subject: Re: Driveline and gears
RonSisko@worldnet.att.net writes:
>  PS. I read the card I got from Randy's Ring & Pinion wrong
>  Ring & Pinion $175.00 each
>  Install kit $120.00  Bearings crush sleeve ( I didn't note single or both
on
>  this item)
>  I'm going to call them on Wed. and check prices again. Didn't get home in
>  time today.
You may want to check around on those prices.  I paid $80 for a full Timken
install kit a few weeks ago, and you should be abot to get gears for around
$150 a set.
David
DRM033@aol.com
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 08:06:35 EDT
From: DRM033@aol.com
Subject: Re: Hubs
bwrosa@jps.net writes:
>  Jim or anyone else,
>
>   I found a guy on the internet that has about 30 pairs of asian hubs
>  off of trucks from years '82 through '90, but he does not
>  know that there is a difference between IFS and solid axle
>  hubs.  Is there something visually obvious to tell the difference?
I think there are 2 ways to tell them apart.  One is that the red dial for
the IFS hubs is flush with the cap, and the dial for solid axle hubs stick
out a little.
There is also a spline count difference - one is 27 spline and the other is
30 (these may be wrong)
Anyone else?
David
DRM033@aol.com
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 07:13:55 +0000
From: "DRAINVILLE, Michel" 
Subject: Electric locker (in Canada)
I was at my Toyota dealer this morning and I checked the price for
an electric locker from a 98 4Runner 4cyl. The complete 3rd
member is $1340 canadian dollars.
I read that it was $650 in the states. So I think it worth the trip for
those canadians who are interested to order from a US dealer.
$650 * 1.45
(exchange) = $942; plus around 5% for duty fees=$989. It's still an
economy of $350 can.! Also here a ARB is around $1200 can
without
compressor and a Detroit around $950.
I saw on their computer that all the parts could be ordered
separatly. I was wondering if someone could order only the casting,
the differential and actuate it externally using a solenoid or a cable?
May be it is not possible, I didn't have a lot of time to examine the
illustration.
Projects projects...
Michel Drainville
Toyota SR5 1986; solid axle, 8"lift, 36"swampers,
Detroit locker, 4.88 gears, Buick V6, TH350.
See it at: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/features/toy86.html
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 08:50:17 -0400
From: "Karl Bellve, Ph.D." 
Subject: Re: Electric locker (in Canada)
"DRAINVILLE, Michel" wrote:
>
> I was at my Toyota dealer this morning and I checked the price for
> an electric locker from a 98 4Runner 4cyl. The complete 3rd
> member is $1340 canadian dollars.
> I read that it was $650 in the states. So I think it worth the trip for
> those canadians who are interested to order from a US dealer.
> $650 * 1.45
> (exchange) = $942; plus around 5% for duty fees=$989. It's still an
> economy of $350 can.! Also here a ARB is around $1200 can
> without
> compressor and a Detroit around $950.
>
There is a Canadian Dealer that will sell it for around $1000 Canadian.
I don't have his name or number. He was my second choice after Jay
Marks.
> I saw on their computer that all the parts could be ordered
> separatly. I was wondering if someone could order only the casting,
> the differential and actuate it externally using a solenoid or a cable?
> May be it is not possible, I didn't have a lot of time to examine the
> illustration.
>
Usually the cost of the parts are more than the whole....
- --
Cheers,
Karl Bellve, Ph.D.                   ICQ # 13956200
Biomedical Imaging Group             TLCA# 7938
University of Massachusetts
Email: kdb@molmed.ummed.edu
Phone: (508) 856-6514
Fax:   (508) 856-1840
PGP Public key: finger kdb@molmed.ummed.edu
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 09:42:36 -0400
From: Ed.Wong@astrapharmaceuticals.com
Subject: Aisan hubs
IMHO, the newer Warn premium hubs are better than the older ones -
but the Aisan hubs are best (if you can get them).
Yards around here (PA) want $50 per hub.
EWong
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 07:44:50 -0600
From: "Andrew Perman" 
Subject: Jacks
I went to pop a tire off my rig last night to do some fender repair (pounding in the fender seams a little more!) and discovered a problem.  Since my solid axle conversion with 4 inch Alcan springs my truck has too much travel to lift it with a hi-lift jack.  At full lift the tire is still very much on the ground.  On the other hand with 35 inch tires a bottle jack under the diff does not have enough lift either.  I thought about buying some limiting straps and still using the hi-lift.  Any better solutions out there?
Andy Perman
88' Runner.....
Solid Axle Conversion
35x12.50 BFG M/T
permana@exempla.org
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 09:59:18 -0400
From: "Ken Flesher" 
Subject: RE: Hubs
> >  Jim or anyone else,
> >
> >   I found a guy on the internet that has about 30 pairs of asian hubs
> >  off of trucks from years '82 through '90, but he does not
> >  know that there is a difference between IFS and solid axle
> >  hubs.  Is there something visually obvious to tell the difference?
>
> I think there are 2 ways to tell them apart.  One is that the red
> dial for
> the IFS hubs is flush with the cap, and the dial for solid axle
> hubs stick
> out a little.
> There is also a spline count difference - one is 27 spline and
> the other is
> 30 (these may be wrong)
You're close. The solid axle hubs (pre-86) are 30 splines, and the IFS hubs
(86+) are 26 splines.
This is definitely one for the Toyota Trivial Pursuit deck.
I'm curious how much he wants for the hubs per pair?
- -KLF
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 09:08:49 -0500
From: Ryan Beal 
Subject: RE: Jacks
Do you have a 48" Hi Lift?  If so you can get a 60" one
Ryan S. Beal
"Build it for how you Wheel it"
TLCA# 8571
1990 4Runner / 3" lift / 33" Muds / True Tracs and 5.29's Front and Rear
/  Etc.
E-mail: ryans4runner@netscape.net
 Rbeal@rftechnologies.com
Web Page: http://members.wbs.net/homepages/r/y/a/ryans4runner/
> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Andrew Perman [SMTP:permana@exempla.org]
> Sent:	Wednesday, April 14, 1999 8:45 AM
> To:	toy4x4@moab.off-road.com
> Subject:	Jacks
>
> I went to pop a tire off my rig last night to do some fender repair
> (pounding in the fender seams a little more!) and discovered a
> problem.  Since my solid axle conversion with 4 inch Alcan springs my
> truck has too much travel to lift it with a hi-lift jack.  At full
> lift the tire is still very much on the ground.  On the other hand
> with 35 inch tires a bottle jack under the diff does not have enough
> lift either.  I thought about buying some limiting straps and still
> using the hi-lift.  Any better solutions out there?
>
> Andy Perman
> 88' Runner.....
> Solid Axle Conversion
> 35x12.50 BFG M/T
> permana@exempla.org
>
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 07:20:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: Christain Brunini 
Subject: one less 4runner in the world :(
On Sunday I rolled my 1985 4runner :(
I was doing some wheeling 40km north of lancelin,
Western Austrlia.  I was doing 30km /hr along a
relatiively flat beach, when I swerved to avoid a
peice of wood, the beed poped off the front rim (as
far as I can work out) and the 4runner rolled 2.5
times.
Luckly every one was alright, except by 4ruuner is
totaled :(
Every body panel is bent on the 4runner.  The roof
only compacted about 1" and the doors could still be
open, with a bit of force. The radiator was pushed
into the fan, the front windscreen smashed.  The
canopy in cracked in mulitple places and one of the
rear-side Windows it smashed.  The frame looks
straight (I'll get it check if I rebuild it).  The
suspesion, engine, transmission, t/case and diff's
look ok.  I shut it down within 10 seconds after the
truck stop rolling.
It landed on the passanger side, we had to get it
wheels down, my brother used his fj60 to pull it over
on it's wheels.  Then we towed it through the back
trails for 4 hours to get it back to the town of
lancelin and got it towed back home.
A panel shop has looked at the 4runner and will be
recomending to the insurance company to write-it off.
As I would be requesting it to be put back together as
it was in my magazine spread.  They are not prepared
to do that for the insured price (It is insured for
$30,000 AUS.)
I am hoping to buy back the salvage and get a second
hand body and put it on my frame (after checking that
it is straight).  I have located a Jap import body for
$3500 AUS complete with rear canopy and all glass
(haven't looked at it yet).  I have a 5.0lt efi motor
with a t350 gearbox, 4.88 gears with lockrights, 3"
suspension lift and 2" body lift and 35 bfg's.  It has
custom interior and stereo, hidden wiring and fully
custom painted.  It started it's life a show rig but I
had been planning (before this happened) to put
cross-over steering, long travel springs, dual
t-cases, custom front and rear bumpers, etc, etc, etc
Should I do a body transplant or should I forget about
it and start again ???
This truck has been built over 3 years and probably
only had it on the road for 10 months and was mine and
my girlfriends pride and joy.
This has been the worst day off my life so far, but it
is only a truck, I am just glad that my girlfriend and
myself are still hear to tell the story.
Christian.
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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 10:19:34 -0500
From: "Dan Schein" 
Subject: RE: Hubs
What's the average for a set of used Asian hubs for IFS? My buddy wants a
set to replace his auto-lockers on an 86 pick up.
- -Dan
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-toy4x4@tlca.org [mailto:owner-toy4x4@tlca.org]On Behalf Of
> Ken Flesher
> Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 1999 8:59 AM
> To: toy4x4@moab.off-road.com
> Subject: RE: Hubs
>
>
> > >  Jim or anyone else,
> > >
> > >   I found a guy on the internet that has about 30 pairs of asian hubs
> > >  off of trucks from years '82 through '90, but he does not
> > >  know that there is a difference between IFS and solid axle
> > >  hubs.  Is there something visually obvious to tell the difference?
> >
> > I think there are 2 ways to tell them apart.  One is that the red
> > dial for
> > the IFS hubs is flush with the cap, and the dial for solid axle
> > hubs stick
> > out a little.
> > There is also a spline count difference - one is 27 spline and
> > the other is
> > 30 (these may be wrong)
>
> You're close. The solid axle hubs (pre-86) are 30 splines, and
> the IFS hubs
> (86+) are 26 splines.
>
> This is definitely one for the Toyota Trivial Pursuit deck.
>
> I'm curious how much he wants for the hubs per pair?
>
> -KLF
>
>
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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 10:19:51 -0400
From: "Ken Flesher" 
Subject: RE: Jacks
> I went to pop a tire off my rig last night to do some fender
> repair (pounding in the fender seams a little more!) and
> discovered a problem.  Since my solid axle conversion with 4 inch
> Alcan springs my truck has too much travel to lift it with a
> hi-lift jack.  At full lift the tire is still very much on the
> ground.  On the other hand with 35 inch tires a bottle jack under
> the diff does not have enough lift either.  I thought about
> buying some limiting straps and still using the hi-lift.  Any
> better solutions out there?
I bought a cheap 2-ton floor jack at Sears a few years ago, specifically to
make a tranny lift. I still use the jack a lot, but there's not much "throw"
to it (low-to-high range). I found that now with low profile bumpstops in
the front, that I have to lower it all the way down, and set it on top of a
concrete block and a chunk of 2x10 to get enough lift at max to get the
front tires off the ground. It's a real pain. Lesson learned: don't buy a
cheap jack.
Sears has a deal now where you can get a much bigger 2-ton floor jack and a
pair of ratcheting jack stands for $99. I think the same setup is available
at BJ's & Sam's Club. If I can only hold out for 2 months, birthday is
coming.
- -KLF
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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 07:20:50 -0700
From: Jeff Deifik 
Subject: Re: 97 tacoma v6 edlebrock header melted my clutch line
At 08:56 AM 4/12/99 -0700, you wrote:
>I was driving around last weekend when my clutch broke.
>Thinking it was a toyota problem, I had it towed to the local
>dealership (Joe McPherson Toyota, Tustin CA).
>
>After some looking around, it was determined that my
>clutch line had melted due to being very close to my
>edlebrock headers.
...
Now I know far too much about the problem, and I am $300 poorer.
There are at least 2 revs of the installation instructions for the 3.4 L
headers. My rev (the evil one) is 3/97. The good rev is 9/97.
My headers were installed according to the old instructions.
Since I had heard they were a bit difficult to install, I had professionals
do the install. The followed the instructions. The probably should have
re-routed the parking brake line as well as the clutch line, as they
were too close to the header, but they didn't. Everything worked fine
for about a year, until my clutch line melted. I didn't think to check up
on their work, beyond watching a bit as they installed the headers.
They even fabricated a wrench to tighten a hard to reach exhaust nut.
The new instructions are simply wonderful. They clearly spell out what to
do to fix the problems I had. I will quote:
5. ... NOTE: On stick shift models, the parking brake cable will need to be
relocated. Remove the nut holding the cable to the floor pan closest to
where the cable comes through the fire wall and simply move to the stud
just to the left of its original location. They use plastic tie wraps to hold
clutch slave cylinder flex line to parking brake cable (away from left header).
Now edelbrock claimed to never have heard of my problem, and yet the newer
rev of the instructions clearly details what to do, while the old one is quite
terse, and does not mention the parking brake cable or the clutch flex line.
They were kind enough to put my truck on a lift, and look at things, and move
the parking brake cable, as well as give me the new rev of the instructions.
They said they worked with TRD on the TRD header. The TRD header goes
above the trans, unlike the Edelbrock one which goes below the trans.
It looks pretty tight above the trans, though that is where the stock pipe
goes.
I would strongly recommend anyone with the old rev of the instructions to
call Edelbrock and try to get the new rev of the instructions.
The guy at Edelbrock didn't even know there was an older rev,
until I faxed him mine.  Perhaps a case where it is better to wait a
few months after a product is announced.
BTW, Joe McPherson Toyota (who works with TRD) says they have a TRD
cat back system for the Tacoma. When I asked how much it cost, they said
they didn't know yet, and call back in a month...
 jeff deifik
 97 tacoma
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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 10:44:28 -0500
From: "Dan Schein" 
Subject: RE: one less 4runner in the world :(
Christain I won't offer advice on the rebuild vs new truck, thats one you
have to work out yourself. However im glad to read that everyone was ok.
What type of tyres (size) and air pressure where you running? Im always
curious when these kinds of things happen. We each have a habit of building
bigger trucks with larger tyres and as a result the sidewalls get taller.
This can be a problem when aired down and a bead lets go at speed.
- -Dan
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-toy4x4@tlca.org [mailto:owner-toy4x4@tlca.org]On Behalf Of
> Christain Brunini
> Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 1999 9:21 AM
> To: toy4x4@moab.off-road.com
> Subject: one less 4runner in the world :(
>
>
> On Sunday I rolled my 1985 4runner :(
>
> I was doing some wheeling 40km north of lancelin,
> Western Austrlia.  I was doing 30km /hr along a
> relatiively flat beach, when I swerved to avoid a
> peice of wood, the beed poped off the front rim (as
> far as I can work out) and the 4runner rolled 2.5
> times.
>
> Luckly every one was alright, except by 4ruuner is
> totaled :(
>
> Every body panel is bent on the 4runner.  The roof
> only compacted about 1" and the doors could still be
> open, with a bit of force. The radiator was pushed
> into the fan, the front windscreen smashed.  The
> canopy in cracked in mulitple places and one of the
> rear-side Windows it smashed.  The frame looks
> straight (I'll get it check if I rebuild it).  The
> suspesion, engine, transmission, t/case and diff's
> look ok.  I shut it down within 10 seconds after the
> truck stop rolling.
>
> It landed on the passanger side, we had to get it
> wheels down, my brother used his fj60 to pull it over
> on it's wheels.  Then we towed it through the back
> trails for 4 hours to get it back to the town of
> lancelin and got it towed back home.
>
> A panel shop has looked at the 4runner and will be
> recomending to the insurance company to write-it off.
> As I would be requesting it to be put back together as
> it was in my magazine spread.  They are not prepared
> to do that for the insured price (It is insured for
> $30,000 AUS.)
>
> I am hoping to buy back the salvage and get a second
> hand body and put it on my frame (after checking that
> it is straight).  I have located a Jap import body for
> $3500 AUS complete with rear canopy and all glass
> (haven't looked at it yet).  I have a 5.0lt efi motor
> with a t350 gearbox, 4.88 gears with lockrights, 3"
> suspension lift and 2" body lift and 35 bfg's.  It has
> custom interior and stereo, hidden wiring and fully
> custom painted.  It started it's life a show rig but I
> had been planning (before this happened) to put
> cross-over steering, long travel springs, dual
> t-cases, custom front and rear bumpers, etc, etc, etc
>
> Should I do a body transplant or should I forget about
> it and start again ???
>
> This truck has been built over 3 years and probably
> only had it on the road for 10 months and was mine and
> my girlfriends pride and joy.
>
> This has been the worst day off my life so far, but it
> is only a truck, I am just glad that my girlfriend and
> myself are still hear to tell the story.
>
>
> Christian.
>
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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 10:44:58 -0400
From: John Creath 
Subject: Personal Bio Info
===========================
Personal Bio Info
===========================
Name: John Creath
City & State: Baltimore, Md.
Country: USA
E-mail address: creathj@erols.com, wheeler92@yahoo.com
Toyota (s) year & model:  '92 XtraCab 4x4
Are you a TLCA Member (Y/N/Number?): No.
Age: 34
Occupation: Computer Systems Analyst, Unix Systems Admin.
Marital Status: Divorced
Hobbies: 'Wheelin
How did you find out about the Toyota 4x4 Mailing List: Browsing the
net.
General info about your vehicle, self, etc.: I have a '92 XtraCab 4x4
that has just recently been dedicated to off-highway use only, meaning
that I no longer have to drive it everyday.
I have made a few modifications to help the truck perform better
off-highway.
4" Trailmaster front suspension, Alcan 5 1/2" rear springs with torque
leaf, Detroit TrueTrac in front, Lok-Right in the rear, 4.88 gears, 33"
Swampers, Smittybuilt winch bumper, Warn x8000i winch. Recently bobbed
bed 14.5". (Body work to be completed later), on-board air via A/C
compressor, full skid plating up front, custom bumper in rear.
I am a member of the Baltimore 4 Wheelers, Inc.
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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 09:50:28 -0500 (CDT)
From: Brian Wiencek 
Subject: Re: Jacks
> I went to pop a tire off my rig last night to do some fender repair (pounding in the fender seams a little more!) and discovered a problem.  Since my solid axle conversion with 4 inch Alcan springs my truck has too much travel to lift it with a hi-lift jack.  At full lift the tire is still very much on the ground.  On the other hand with 35 inch tires a bottle jack under the diff does not have enough lift either.  I thought about buying some limiting straps and still using the hi-lift.  Any better solutions out there?
Well, I guess temporarely mounting liniting staps would work, but I've
always used a good floor jack - the one that's like $89 at SAMS - it's a 3
ton unit that will lift about 22" I think - enough to get a 35 off the
ground when placed under the axle perch on my old '84 P/U.  it's much
beefier and larger than the junk that they sell for $29 at the local parts
places as a rolling floor jack.  This really doesn't help on the trail
tho... For that how about getting some racheting straps to strap your axle
up for lifting - I know the ones I've got are rated at 2000 lbs each, so a
pair should hold the spring compressed fairly well.
- - Brian
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 11:03:55 -0400
From: djstracher@bbn.com
Subject: RE: Jacks
>I bought a cheap 2-ton floor jack at Sears a few years ago, specifically to
>make a tranny lift. I still use the jack a lot, but there's not much "throw"
>to it (low-to-high range). I found that now with low profile bumpstops in
>the front, that I have to lower it all the way down, and set it on top of a
>concrete block and a chunk of 2x10 to get enough lift at max to get the
>front tires off the ground. It's a real pain. Lesson learned: don't buy a
>cheap jack.
>
>Sears has a deal now where you can get a much bigger 2-ton floor jack and a
>pair of ratcheting jack stands for $99. I think the same setup is available
>at BJ's & Sam's Club. If I can only hold out for 2 months, birthday is
>coming.
>
The small two ton jacks don't have enough throw usually to lift my stock
runner w/ 31x10.5 tires. I ended up buying a 3 ton floor jack for ~$70 at
Price Club. Doesn't help much on the trail but is great around the garage.
I'd be interested in buying your hi-lift if you end up getting rid of it or
if you decide to go to the 60" version.
Dave Stracher
djstracher@bbn.com
1993 4Runner, V6
5 Speed, TRD Clutch, Bilsteins, Dynomax exhaust, 31x10.5 BFG-AT
TLCA Member #8469
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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 11:01:54 EDT
From: Iwheel4x4@aol.com
Subject: Re: one less 4runner in the world :(
> On Sunday I rolled my 1985 4runner :(
While the 4Runner was a great loss, always remember that it could have been
much worse.  Glad to hear that everyone was o.k.
Allen Dickenson     IWheel4x4@aol.com
http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Trails/8895/
1995 4Runner Limited - "FT KNOX" - Downey 1.5" HD coils, t-bars cranked, Rear
Lock-Right, ARB Bull Bar, custom rocksliders, Rancho RS9000?s front, RS5000?s
rear, 32x11.5" BFG M/T?s, K&N drop-in, raised diff. breathers, low-profile
bumpstops, sway bars removed, Warn Premium hubs, Hella 100W 500's.
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 11:34:07 -0400
From: mdenison@shipley.com
Subject: Oil overfill harmful?
I got lazy and had a quicky place change my oil.  They overfilled by half a
quart. ( 6 quarts instead of 5.5 in 3.4L V-6)
Can any harm come from this?   And just out of curiosity what about with an
extreme overfill?
thanks
Mark D.
98 TRD
------------------------------
Date: 14 Apr 99 10:01:03 MDT
From: Robert Garrett 
Subject: Re: [Oil overfill harmful?]
mdenison@shipley.com wrote:
I got lazy and had a quicky place change my oil.  They overfilled by half a
quart. ( 6 quarts instead of 5.5 in 3.4L V-6)
Can any harm come from this?   And just out of curiosity what about with an
extreme overfill?
Had the same thing done on my '90 3.0 V6 a couple of times when it was new.
Never saw any problems from it.
Don't know about extreme overfills on these engines. Have seen it on older
non-Toyota engines.. never saw any permanent damage, just excessive oil
comsumption and fouling of spark plugs.
Bob Garrett
N5UOU@usa.net
90 4Runner  97k
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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 12:23:54 -0400
From: bmiranda@loudoun.com
Subject: Any Rides coming up in No-Va?
Hey Ryan, John, Mike, Patrick and others in NO-VA area,
...couldn't make the last trip and probably won't be able to make  the GSMTR meet...
Currently suing my last employer for the 1000's of cash that  they owe me, both
criminally and civilly.
I may be able to do a ride or two in the immediate area but haven't heard
of   anything coming up. I MIGHT be able to make GSMTR (i already have a    spot) if
I can get a job to start in the few weeks.
Don't know if I can get myself a locker in this time though. We'll see.
Let me know!
Bill Miranda
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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 12:32:53 -0400
From: Darren Floen 
Subject: Bumper for sale
Hey all,I'm going to be selling my rear bumper.It is a custom,made by
me,very heavy duty bumper constructed out of 2x3,0.130 tubing,with a 2"
square reinforcing bar tucked in behind,fully welded(nice welds),with
all tubing capped off(airtight),with two mounts for 7/8" shackles,welded
and gusseted frame mounts,reciever hitch,and it looks nice too(or so
i've been told,but i think so too).I don't have a web page yet,but i do
have pics scanned,so email me privately and i'll send them on.
I'll take offers on it,best offer gets it.Make any offers,plus shipping.
If more than one person wants it,i can easilly make another.
Darren
dfloen@tbaytel.net
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