Toyota 4x4 digest:       Monday, March 15 1999       Volume 02 : Number 302
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 broken bolt
 Re: Fw: price break to list members
 Three-link suspension
 Re: ARB's (again?)
 stickers
 Re: it's a jeep thing... i WOULDN'T understand...
 Re: Headliner
 power steering setup
 Re: Straight axle drag link adjustments
 Re: BRAKE PROBLEMS
 Re: stickers
 Re: Headliner
 Re: 35's
 Re: Help the ARB Heretic!
 Tellico Ride April 10th ATT Bryon Davenport
 Raised my gas tank
 22RE headers
 22RE Idle Problem
 Re: hub swap info/lockers
 Re: Engine Swap Questions
 RE: BRAKE PROBLEMS
 stock rims and biggest tires
 Re: BRAKE PROBLEMS Solved!
 Re: BRAKE PROBLEMS
 Free stock bumper - 88 4runner
 2.5 feet Wheel travel!?
 Noise from the hubs
 Re:  Those stupid cone washers
 Re: 2.5 feet Wheel travel!?
 Driveshafts
 Nice pic Terry!
 Re: BRAKE PROBLEMS
 85 trannie
 Re: Used TJM Stuff
 Re: Center console removal
 Re: BRAKE PROBLEMS
 Fw: ARB reliablity
 Fw: keep up the LSD/locker debate
 35's w/3" body lift
 bio
 Re: In Cab Screen
 Fw: Help the ARB Heretic!
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 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 13:48:56 -7 GMT
 From: "Leo G. Divinagracia III"  Subject: broken bolt> From: "Kuo, David M" >> Speaking of which....> Does anyone know how I can remove a broken bolt, half of which is currently> lodged right at the center of the front axle?  I broke it in the process of> trying to remove the factory hub flange.  I am not even sure why that bolt> (w/ large washer)> is there to begin with.  I will try to drill it with a small bit.> Any advice???
 run to a hardware store.  pickup an eazy-out drill set.  essentiall, it's
 a reverse drill bit.  set your reversable drill to reverse and stick this
 bit in.  then drill in reverse.  it should work itself out.
 the same thing happened to me when a shop broke the bolt.  they used the
 same broken bolt extractor and a quick shot of the air drill gun, the
 thing was out.
 kinda odd that that little bolt keeps the axle from pulling out of the
 hub.  the washer that the bolt keeps in, presses against the c-clip that
 is at the end of the axleshaft...
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 Leo G. Divinagracia III
 ldivinag@csuhayward.edu
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 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:57:47 -0500
 From: djstracher@bbn.com
 Subject: Re: Fw: price break to list members
 Just got off the phone w/ Michelle at TJM/Hella all she has left for 2nd
 gen Runners are two T-17's, just the bumper tube, no mounting hardware, no
 grill gaurd, no wings. 1 highly polished aluminum is $50, the other is $85
 (not sure of the finish, I think it was a matte aluminum finish)
 She can get the mounting kits, but claims it will take 3 months.
 Dave Stracher
 djstracher@bbn.com
 1993 4Runner, V6
 5 Speed, TRD Clutch, Bilsteins, Dynomax exhaust, 31x10,5 BFG-AT
 TLCA Member #8469
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 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 14:04:53 -0800 (PST)
 From: Brian Adams  Subject: Three-link suspension
 Anybody read the article in Design News (March 1) on David Burke's
 three-link suspension?  Wheel travel is limited to 2.5 feet!  Looks
 like the ultimate wheeling suspension.
 Brian Adams
 Reno
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 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 14:06:58 -7 GMT
 From: "Leo G. Divinagracia III"  Subject: Re: ARB's (again?)> From: "Andrew Perman" >> Will and ARB run off a Quick Air 2 compressor, or will it only fly with> an ARB compressor? TIA!> back in the old days when we
 didn't these sissy compressors, we actually blew with out own mouths into
 the dang ol' blue hoses and made that dang arb work!  'course i had to
 take my dentures out...
 heck, even that powertank (the CO2 one) can work with an arb, as long as
 the recommended 80 psi is shot into it.
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 ldivinag@csuhayward.edu
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 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:15:52 -0600
 From: Stricklin@tomah.com (Lisa Stricklin)
 Subject: stickers
 Chris I did`nt see any info. I seem to rememberyou wanted a couple of
 bucks. Send me your snail mail address and reply. Thanks
 Ken
 stricklin@tomah.com
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 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 14:11:02 -7 GMT
 From: "Leo G. Divinagracia III"  Subject: Re: it's a jeep thing... i WOULDN'T understand...> From: Paul Freer >>     Speaking of J**p's since none of us own them, I'll let you in on> a secret they have.  I was riding to lunch with a female coworker who> happens to own a YUPPIE J**P, and every time we passed another j**p they> would wave.  It seems that jeep owners have started doing this, as an> association thing or something.  Sounds pretty stupid to me, maybe its> just a Michigan jeep owner thing.>  i just give them the finger...  8-)))))
 i did see in a tv show where viper owners would give the viper teeth hand
 gesture to other viper owners...
 hmmm... for IFS owners, how about the index finger on a horizontal
 position and then move it up and down in a limited arc...  8-)))))
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 ldivinag@csuhayward.edu
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 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:10:58 -0500
 From: "C. Andrew Zook"  Subject: Re: Headliner>What year and type of truck do you have Andy ?
 '84 extra cab
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 Date: 15 Mar 99 17:10:17 -0500
 From: Michael Fox  Subject: power steering setup
 Does anyone have a "complete" power steering setup that will bolt up to an '85
 4x4 pickup that they might want to part with for a reasonable price? The parts
 truck that I was going to buy was sold out from under me. If so, please e-mail me
 direct at: michael.fox@yale.edu
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 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 14:16:04 -0800
 From: Chris Geiger  Subject: Re: Straight axle drag link adjustments> I'm curious.......do those of you running 35s find you have problems>with> the tires hitting the springs? What offset wheel do you have and>how much> do the tires hit? Is there a significant reduction in steering>angle when> jumping from 33s to 35s?
 I am running 35's on 8" wheels with a 4" offset. I also am running All
 Pro 3/4" spacers on the front axle. These move the tires out just
 enough. I have my steering stops set at about 1/2 way out. The tires
 come close but don't hit the leaf springs.
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 Off-Road.Com Toyota section editor, Album page editor
 Marlin case #103, 35" BFG tires, Solid Axle Conversion
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 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 14:36:48 -0800
 From: "J & J Skaggs"  Subject: Re: BRAKE PROBLEMS
 Bryon,
 I did the rear disk conversion also.  I too had problems with the pedal
 needing 2 pumps for the brakes to work correctly.  I chased a lot of
 problems but I have finally got it working right.
 This is what I had to do to get it all right.  The new V6 master cylinder
 that I bought didn't work correctly out of the box, (Napa) replaced it under
 warranty and it worked better.  Then the new calipers that I bought stopped
 working correctly and I got them replaced under (Napa) warranty also.  I
 still didn't have enough pedal though so I installed a 2lb residual valve
 and it helped a little, but still not good enough.  Then I took the stock
 proportioning valve out and ran one solid line to the rear from the master
 cylinder.  I tried to put a (Summit) Wilwood prop valve in line but it too
 did not work when I took it out of the package.  This fixed the problem for
 a while, but then I started having problems again but this time it had
 nothing to do with the rear.  The last problem was because my right front
 wheel bearings had come loose, this caused the front rotor to wobble a
 little and push the brake pads away from the rotors, the extra movement that
 the pad took to get to the rotor took all of my pedal travel and didn't let
 fluid get to the rear.
 John Skaggs
 Member of TLCA# 5560, High Sierra Toyota's, Toys 4 Fun and Blue Ribbon
 Coalition
 thunder90@msn.com
 Visalia, CA
 85 4Runner  Marlin Crawler Double T-C #232, Marlin Crawler 4.70 gears #267
 5" Alcan's, 33" Big-O M/T's, 5.29's and Blue Hoses in the Diff's.
 But still not finished ;-)
 95 4Runner Stock   Hers
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 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 14:28:24 -0800
 From: Chris Geiger  Subject: Re: stickers
 The sticker run has been paid for so the rest are free. Just send a SASE
 to me and I will send you a couple.
 Chris Geiger
 7367 B Freeman
 Goleta CA, 93117
 Lisa Stricklin wrote:>> Chris I did`nt see any info. I seem to rememberyou wanted a couple of> bucks. Send me your snail mail address and reply. Thanks>> Ken> stricklin@tomah.com>> ============================================================================> Toyota 4x4 page: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota
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 Off-Road.Com Toyota section editor, Album page editor
 Marlin case #103, 35" BFG tires, Solid Axle Conversion
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 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:35:15 -0600 (EST)
 From: Brian Wiencek  Subject: Re: Headliner> In my quest to actually have some sort of interior, I now have pretty much> everything but a headliner. I asked this a while back but did not get any> replies - Does anyone have any ideas on what to do for a headliner? How much> does a factory one cost and is it even possible to install without the tools> that the factory used to install it?
 A factory style headliner can be installed without any special tools other
 than a utility knife and a screwdriver (to remove the screws to the 'grab
 handles')  Look up in your local yellow pages there should be several
 shops under auto interiors that can custom make you a headliner or order a
 factory style replacement.
 - - Brian
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 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:38:35 -0600 (EST)
 From: Brian Wiencek  Subject: Re: 35's
 2" body lift should do it - as long as you don't have clearance problems
 now with your 33's (wheel offsets wrong, etc)
 - - Brian> Ok, I am sick of my 33" BFG MTs (size) and so I'm making the switch to 35's.>> I've got a 94 4 Runner with a 4" procomp lift.  How much body lift do I need> to fit the 35's.  And yes I wheel it hard.
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 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:13:36 EST
 From: Gnarly4X@aol.com
 Subject: Re: Help the ARB Heretic!
 In a message dated 3/14/99 11:38:11 PM US Mountain Standard Time, ej@off-
 road.com writes:
<> *********
 EJ,
 Thanks for your kind consideration. I believe in Karma, and you will soon
 receive something good.  The truth is... down deep inside my 4-wheeling,
 excessive compulsive subconscious libido, I want ARBs on my Toy.  I am jealous
 and envious when I watch my buddies press that little button (it seems they
 have it mounted in a very conspicuous place, and when they have to push it,
 they make the action very noticeable!).  I have suppressed the urge to buy
 because of cost and fear of overhearing the two guys standing near the gnarly
 rock I'm about to climb, I reach for the button (making it real obvious) and
 my ARB just won't engage.  I struggle to climb the rock with only my rear
 locker.  I'm not looking as cool as I did just a few minutes ago on the last
 gnarly rock.  My confidence and cockiness is draining.  Then one guys says to
 the other "his ARB must not be working or he's just a novice and had to turn
 off his CB so he could concentrate!"  Actually, I'm hoping that through my use
 of reverse psychology, coupled with the horrific abuse and mud-slinging
 therapy I am hoping to get from this group psycho-dude, ARB-equipped, ultra-
 sensitive 4-wheelers, someone will help destroy my subconscious mental block
 that has me convinced that the ARB reliability problems are real!!   All help
 will be very much appreciated.
 Gnarls.
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 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:25:00 -0600
 From: Christopher Coffey  Subject: Tellico Ride April 10th ATT Bryon Davenport
 I am a member of STLCA and we are having a GSMTR pre-run on  the weekend
 of April 10th.  Maybe you could hold off till then.  I am planning on
 going if I can get my truck together in time. Email me at
 ccoffey@bellsouth.net   also there is no charge other than the daily
 permit.  We are just going to see what has changed because they always
 do!
 Thanks,
 Chris
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 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 15:20:11 -0800
 From: Scott Wilson  Subject: Raised my gas tank
 I finally got around to raising my gas tank on my 88 4Runner yesterday.
 I've been putting it off for a long time now.  On the 4Runner, tanks
 come about 2" lower than on the p/u's from the factory.  Even though I
 raised it 2", which is a SIGNIFICANT improvement, it is only as high as
 a p/u tank now.
 I've never seen just how the gas tank is mounted on the p/u, but I
 suspect I used the holes in the frame that the tank mounts to on the
 p/u.  There were a 2nd set of hole about 2.25" higher than my stock
 location that I took advantage of.  The bottom of my tank is now just
 above the bottom of the spring hanger.  Hopefully I'll stop banging the
 tank on rocks now.  :-)
 I didn't take pictures as I went along, and there is NO CHANCE I'll take
 it apart again to get pictures... so you won't find a write-up on my
 page.  Joe Chacon has a good writeup on his page though...
 http://www2.whidbey.net/locktup/gastank.htm
 This really wasn't a hard project, and required no welding.  Just some
 cutting/grinding/drilling I did it so its still all bolt together.  I
 started around 3pm yesterday and finished up around 9pm, including a
 trip to the hardware store for bolts.  Just make sure you have an extra
 set of hands to help you out & only a gallon or two of gas in the tank
 so its easy to lift.
 Now I just need to build a low (or 'high' if you prefer :-)  profile
 Xfer case cross member, and I'll finally have both of the low points on
 my truck up where they should be.
 scott
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 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:31:43 -0500
 From: Ed.Wong@astrapharmaceuticals.com
 Subject: 22RE headers
 "J.R. Juiliano"    wrote:
 One more thing -- You might have to modify or remove the exhaust routing
 mount on the transmission to get it to line up right.  The larger exhaust
 tube won't allow the mount to stay straight!
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 I dunno - I have LC headers and I just took the little
 bracket off and tossed it in the "no longer used OEM parts".
 I dont think its necessary with the headers - and certianly
 not with the LC headers
 EWong
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 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:33:28 -0500
 From: Ed.Wong@astrapharmaceuticals.com
 Subject: 22RE Idle Problem
 Before checking for big problems (like 02 sensor)
 do some of the simple things...
 1 - check the throttle for "spooge" and clean out using EFI throttle plate
 cleaner
 2 - maybe time for new plugs and stuff (aka tune-up)
 3 - check TPS with feeler guage and volt meter
 4 - check 02 sensor w/ volt meter
 EWong
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 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 15:35:27 -0800
 From: "Bob"  Subject: Re: hub swap info/lockers> Hey, HEY! Didja every try driving a 4x2 home in the snow and ice with no> weight in the rear? Now if they made front wheel drive trucks.... nah, I> won't go there. 4wd is more fun. :-)
 Yes, a 1961 3/4 ton Chevy across Hwy 50 into Tahoe and up the Kingsbury
 grade.  Didn't really need the extra weight it's built in.  I park that beast in the
 snowdrifts up by Heavenly.
 Laters,
 Bob
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 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 15:44:37 -0800
 From: "Bob"  Subject: Re: Engine Swap Questions> The guy at PennDOT could not give me any specifics on what was or> was not allowed (I think that I was talking to the wrong person).
 My experience with this would be to talk to the guy(s) that do the inspection.
 The people answering the phones aren't always up an much other than
 looking it up in a book.
 Laters,
 Bob
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 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 15:53:02 -0800
 From: "Devin Noel"  Subject: RE: BRAKE PROBLEMS> My problems stem from the fact that my pedal does to the floor and does> not work until the second try.>> Very poor pedal action.>> Going to try the 10lb residual.>> Any thoughts?
 If you have to pump a hydraulic pedal (break/clutch) it almost always means
 that you have air in the lines or a bad master cylinder. Pumping will
 compress the air in the line temporarily and allow braking or will get the
 seals on a failing master cyl working to some extent.
 Devin Noel
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 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:57:37 -0000
 From: "A C  "  Subject: stock rims and biggest tires
 What is the size of the stock rim on a 86 4runner?
 and how big of tire can I go  with the stock setup, no lift etc.
 Thanx A.C.
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 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:53:03 EST
 From: Gnarly4X@aol.com
 Subject: Re: BRAKE PROBLEMS Solved!
 In a message dated 3/15/99 3:36:19 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
 thunder90@email.msn.com writes:
<> *************
 I too had a similar experience.  I had simply replaced the rotors and pads.  I
 experienced a low pedal some times.  I analyzed and agonized over this for at
 least 5 weeks.  I checked everything over and over.   I asked everyone I knew.
 I had purchased a new vacuum boost, a 2 new master cylinders, pumped over 3
 quarts of fluid bleeding the lines.  I was about to buy new calipers.  The
 evening before, I was having dinner with some 4-wheeling friends and I
 casually mentioned I was having problems with my brakes and mentioned a low
 pedal. He immediately said "its your wheel bearings!"  I knew instantly what
 he meant.  The rotors slap against the pistons and push them back away from
 the rotors and when the brake pedal is pushed, the pistons have to travel more
 distance to reach the rotors.  I went home, jacked up the front tires and
 wriggled the tires back and forth, sure enough, the wheels wobbled.  I
 retightened the wheel bearings, bingo --- problem gone.
 This problem/solution should be on an "ALERT" somewhere on our Tech Tips page.
 Gnarls.
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 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:17:27 -0800
 From: Mike Dinsmoor  Subject: Re: BRAKE PROBLEMS>My problems stem from the fact that my pedal does to the floor and does>not work until the second try.>Very poor pedal action.>Going to try the 10lb residual.>Any thoughts?>Thanks,>Byron Davenport
 On the secound try does the pedal feel good? You may have loose wheel
 bearings in the front. If they are loose enough, when you drive the rotors
 will push the pistons back into there bore. Also if you have the Cadillac
 style rear GM caliper check and make sure they are adjusted all the way.
 They can have problems with going out of adjustment. Put a dial indicater
 on all four rotors and make sure they are all true. I personaly wouldn't
 run a residual pressure check valve. You shouldn't need one. They are
 designed to keep the cups in the slave cylinders from calapsing and letting
 fluid get by them. Since drum brakes have heavy return springs the little
 bit of pressure wont apply the brakes. If you use it on disk brakes with no
 return springs it can push the pads against the rotors applying the brakes
 a little bit. I wouldn't want that on my truck.
 Mike Dinsmoor
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 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:14:38 -0800
 From: Scott Wilson  Subject: Free stock bumper - 88 4runner
 I have the original front bumper (with bumper ends) from my 88 4runner
 cluttering up my garage.  Its free to anyone who will come get it.
 Scott
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 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:57:28 -0800
 From: "EARLE ROTHER"  Subject: 2.5 feet Wheel travel!?
 I was just reading my latest copy of DESIGN  NEWS and a I saw this
 J***  with a article title 'Suspension improves off-road stability'
 The designer Davis Burke on Tucson Az mounted his design of a 3 link
 suspension, quarter-elliptical springs, variable dampening shocks and
 nylon limiting straps on a J***. Very impressive. The quarter-elliptical
 springs
 are only attached at the rear and the axle rests on them during normal
 driving.
 very impressive.
 It is in the 3-1-99 issue on pages 127,128
 or
 http://www.manufacturing.net/magazine/dn/archives/dntoc.html
 Earle
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 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:07:13 -0500
 From: "Nanci & Charlie"  Subject: Noise from the hubs
 Had a funny sound coming from the front hubs the other day.
 Hard to describe, a hard rubbing sound.
 Rebuilt the hubs few months back, cleaned and greased.
 Was fine till the other day.
 Ideas?
 Haven't pulled them off yet, did play in a puddle few days ago.
 Wondering if H2o  got in there.
 Am going out again next week, please advise.
 Charlie
 NANCHAR@NII.NET
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 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:08:01 -0800
 From: "Kuo, David M"  Subject: Re:  Those stupid cone washers
 I followed the steps in the Warn installation instructions.  Place a socket
 slightly larger than the cone washer over it, and smack it with a hammer.
 DON'T be bashful.  Give it a few GOOD smacks!!!   Eventually the washer will
 come loose.  With the socket covering it, the washers won't fly out.  You
 may have to replace the socket afterwards though.  Funny, I just changed my
 94' 4Runner to the Premium Warn Hubs last night.....Good Luck!
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 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:22:34 -0800 (PST)
 From: Jimmy Tom  Subject: Re: 2.5 feet Wheel travel!?
 Neat article with neat graphics, but that set-up is being run on a few
 Class 8 SCORE trucks.  The rules mandate that you hafta run stock
 suspension concept, so you HAVE TO keep the leaf spring set-up.  This
 design allows you to keep the leaf springs as an original style suspension
 component (nobody said you have to run semi-ellip!), while still getting
 mondo travel since the springs aren't attached to the axle, is SUPER
 HEEEAVVVYYY!!!!  And you gotta have a pretty strong mounting
 box to mount a leaf pack that is about a foot or so thick!! I think Brian
 Collins or Dale White runs it on his Chevy Class 8.  The trophy trucks use
 a coil-over and swing-arm combo that weighs a bit less.
 Maybe we'l have pics of it from San Felipe this weekend ;)
 On Mon, 15 Mar 1999, EARLE ROTHER wrote:> I was just reading my latest copy of DESIGN  NEWS and a I saw this> J***  with a article title 'Suspension improves off-road stability'> The designer Davis Burke on Tucson Az mounted his design of a 3 link> suspension, quarter-elliptical springs, variable dampening shocks and> nylon limiting straps on a J***. Very impressive. The quarter-elliptical> springs> are only attached at the rear and the axle rests on them during normal> driving.> very impressive.>> It is in the 3-1-99 issue on pages 127,128> or> http://www.manufacturing.net/magazine/dn/archives/dntoc.html> Earle>>> - -------------------------------------------------------------------------
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 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:19:36 EST
 From: DRM033@aol.com
 Subject: Driveshafts
 I was looking at the driveshaft Chris G. is running, and cama across anarticle
 in an old 4 wheeling mag.  WHen I first saw the picture of Chris's new front
 shaft, I though it sure looked like a PTO shaft.  The article I saw mentione
 someone was using such a setup, and was getting close to 25" of travel out of
 it.
 I plan to drop by the local driveshaft shop and see what they can do.  I may
 or may not use a CVon the front shaft, and I will probably not at first to see
 if I really need one.  I guess my main concern here would be the ability to
 balance it, but I figure a good shop should be up to the task.  Any thoughts?
 David
 DRM033@aol.com
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 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:35:58 -0800
 From: Scott Wilson  Subject: Nice pic Terry!
 For you CA4WDC members... My March 99 issue of 'In Gear' just arrived.
 Terry Johnson's 90-something extended cab got a great picture on page 17
 in a trail report from Panamint.
 Nice looking nerf Terry!  Musta been a biiiig drop  :-b
 Scott
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 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:39:37 -0500 (EST)
 From: Byrond Davenport  Subject: Re: BRAKE PROBLEMS
 I think that could help my problems to an extent, by checking the wheel
 bearings.
 But before I did the swap I had fine pedal travel.  Do the rear discs
 take up that much extra fluid?
 I am using cadillac rear calipers, new master V6 cast, 2 lb. residual.
 I guess that I will try to see if the wheel bearings are the cause.
 Anybody know if 5.29 and 33" are awful for the highway?
 Thanks,
 Byron Davenport
 On Mon, 15 Mar 1999, Mike Dinsmoor wrote:>>>>>>My problems stem from the fact that my pedal does to the floor and does>>not work until the second try.>>>Very poor pedal action.>>>Going to try the 10lb residual.>>>Any thoughts?>>>Thanks,>>>Byron Davenport>>>   On the secound try does the pedal feel good? You may have loose wheel> bearings in the front. If they are loose enough, when you drive the rotors> will push the pistons back into there bore. Also if you have the Cadillac> style rear GM caliper check and make sure they are adjusted all the way.> They can have problems with going out of adjustment. Put a dial indicater> on all four rotors and make sure they are all true. I personaly wouldn't> run a residual pressure check valve. You shouldn't need one. They are> designed to keep the cups in the slave cylinders from calapsing and letting> fluid get by them. Since drum brakes have heavy return springs the little> bit of pressure wont apply the brakes. If you use it on disk brakes with no> return springs it can push the pads against the rotors applying the brakes> a little bit. I wouldn't want that on my truck.>> Mike Dinsmoor>> ============================================================================> Toyota 4x4 page: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota> ------------------------------
 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:39:59 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)
 From: bob  Subject: 85 trannie
 Does anybody have and want to sell or know where to get a five
 speed trannie for an 85 fourunner.
 thanks
 caver Bob
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 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 19:47:59 -0800
 From: "Tim Brewers"  Subject: Re: Used TJM Stuff
 Does anyone know of a website  with the TJM stuff pictured and the part
 number so I know which one is which?  My front smittybuilt one that came on
 the truck is getting pretty rusted out.  Thanks.
 Tim Brewers
 89 V-6
 - -----Original Message-----
 From: Ryan Beal  To: 'toy4x4@tlca.org'  Date: Monday, March 15, 1999 7:37 AM
 Subject: RE: Used TJM Stuff>I guess I owe you as well!  I also purchased a T-17 with Grill loop for>$160 delivered.>Thanks Karl>Ryan S. Beal>TLCA#8571>>>> Hey... thanks to whoever it was with the info for the info on>the used TJM>> stuff... Just ordered a T-17 (bumper only) in paintable>aluminum (Solatex>> finish?) for 135.00 delivered to my door! (It's one that WILL>take a winch,..>> and she'll give me a deal on the mounts)>>>> The problem with it initially was that there were no bolts for>it but the girl>> there (Michelle... really friendly) found some after a little>searching and is>> including them for free.>>> Bill, you owe me!>> I expect one of those little butane flame throwers the next time>I see you> ;-)>>> Cheers,>>>>> Karl Bellve, Ph.D.                   ICQ # 13956200> Biomedical Imaging Group             TLCA# 7938> University of Massachusetts> Email: kdb@molmed.ummed.edu> Phone: (508) 856-6514> Fax:   (508) 856-1840> PGP Public Key: finger kdb@molmed.ummed.edu>>>>========================================================================>====> Toyota 4x4 page: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota>>===========================================================================
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 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:08:07 -0800
 From: Jonathan and Shallyn Powers  Subject: Re: Center console removal
 By the way Jesse, were you able to remove your center console yet?
 Jonathan
 djstracher@bbn.com wrote:> At 04:56 PM 3/14/99 -0800, you wrote:>>If I remember right, there are two screws that fasten on the front sides,>>two that are inside the storage container, and then you pull the handle off>>the slide control on the rear.  That should be it.>>>> Bob's got the right procedure, but you should also remove the front two> screws because you need to move the front half of the console forwards> because the back half (w/ storage box) lays under it at the joint. You DO> NOT need to remove the heater core hoses>> Dave Stracher> djstracher@bbn.com>> 1993 4Runner, V6> 5 Speed, TRD Clutch, Bilsteins, Dynomax exhaust, 31x10,5 BFG-AT>> TLCA Member #8469>> ============================================================================> Toyota 4x4 page: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota
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 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 21:12:20 EST
 From: Gnarly4X@aol.com
 Subject: Re: BRAKE PROBLEMS
 In a message dated 3/15/99 6:41:55 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
 byrond@bae.uga.edu writes:
<> Bryon,
 In  your case, it could be that the rotors on your rear disc installation are
 wobbling or not spinning in a parallel plane to the caliper pistons.
 Gnarls.
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 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:30:06 -0800
 From: "Brian Cooke"  Subject: Fw: ARB reliablity
 Why didn't he  try to get in warrantied?  They are standing behind them
 for more than a year (warranty).
 I personally know of 4 grenaded Detriots in the last year alone.  Yes,
 personally.  They aren't what they are cracked up to be as the "King Kong
 Strong" ad says.  I agree, that anything mechanical is designed to fail tho.
 Like someone says, it's only money and you can't take it with you.  :-)
 Brian@nvrstuk"All the parts so it will run..."
 - -----Original
 Like anything mechanical ARB's can fail. An early Bronco in our club has
 one in the front Dana 44 , it had a major melt down after 3 years of
 hard wheeling behind a built 351C & a driver with a lead foot and 36"
 swampers, it basicly came apart.
 Detroit lockers have a reputation for being tough but I managed to break
 one in the front of my four cylinder 4Runner. Great excuse to by an ARB
 though.
 Dave Meador
 TLCA#8455
 85 & 95 4Runner
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 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:42:41 -0800
 From: "Brian Cooke"  Subject: Fw: keep up the LSD/locker debate
 OK -  Understood about complexity   :-)
 Guess that's why I wheel with a simple rig. One vacuum hose, no EFI, no
 electric fuel pumps, about 5,000 ft less wire than most of the EFI or newer
 rigs.  Makes it pretty simple to keep track of two ARB units.  This is also
 why I carry a tire pump in the back-pump up a tire if absolutely neccessary
 (once), and put air in the ARB if the unit needs it (hasn't been needed -
 yet).  I believe in the KISS (keep it simple stupid) method, especially
 where I wheel and fish.
 Brian@nvrstuk"All the parts so it will run..."
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 From: ???? ?? ????? - Roni Mandelbaun  To: 'nvrstuk@eburg.com'  Date: Monday, March 15, 1999 1:02 AM
 Subject: Fw: keep up the LSD/locker debate>Brian. You missed the point if I may say so. No one ever said the ARB
 fails.>Never heard this nor seen it on the list. What I did hear and seen, a lot,>is a "complex" ARB failure. Let me explain here: A Detroit or EZ or>PowerTrax of any kind is a MECHANICAL device (and a relatively simple one>too). Yes, it can drive you nuts on road, but than hey, you learn to love
 it>and use it for some road fun (burning tires....) The ARB on the other hand>is a COMPLEX multi SYSTEM device. The more PARTS  you have, the more
 SYSTEMS>you use - the more POSSIBILITY of breakage you get. See my point? The ARB>unit itself will probably last a lifetime, but what about your ELECTRICAL>system? wires, hoses, pneumatic system, solenoids, relays,>switches......Since we really push our trucks to a limit, things will>eventually fail. The less SYSTEMS and complex parts you put in your truck ->the less there is to break. I wouldn't like to get stuck with an "open"
 rear>diff in the middle of nowhere just because of a burnt solenoid or a simple>toasted fuse........BTW the "new" soft locker is really nice.  That's my>personal opinion.>Ron B. Mandelbaum>Deputy Spokesperson,>PR and Media Affairs Manager>Bezeq - Israel Telecom Corp. Ltd.>Tel:  +972-3-5613858>Fax: +972-3-5614287>1994 Toyota 4Runner V6 (3VZE) Automatic>4.56 Detroit "No Spin" Rear Soft Locker>30"x9.50 Cooper's STT - Custom Rear Bumper>Rear Window Sticker: www.off-road.com>>>------------------------------>>Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 08:36:14 -0800>From: "Brian Cooke" <>>Subject: !>>    Gnarls.>    What is meant by reliability?  I belong to 2 different mailing lists,>this one and the EBML.  I personally know of many ARB's running behind>V-8's.  I know of one ARB in a GTO that is running the 1/4 in the mid 10's>with dyno'd HP at over 530. .  I have also worked with Todd (head engineer)>at ARB in Seattle on installation tips, guides, info, etc.  No warranty>claims yet except for one.  All the ring gear bolts had sheared off on the>rear diff.>>    All problems that I know of are caused by poor installation of the air>lines, electrical wiring, etc. Not the unit itself. I've been running one>ARB for over 10 years (not one failure) and just last summer installed a>rear 9" unit in my EB with  the WARN FF kit. If done properly you will NOT>have any problems. IMO>>    Brian@nvrstuk"All the parts so it will run...">>- -----Original Message----->From: Gnarly4X@aol.com >To: toy4x4@tlca.org >Date: Sunday, March 14, 1999 7:33 AM>Subject: Re: Fw: keep up the LSD/locker debate!>>>>In a message dated 3/14/99 12:45:11 AM US Mountain Standard Time,>>nvrstuk@eburg.com writes:>>>><would>> never even know they are there. Then when you need them, "click" the>button>> and a rock crawling you go.  A L/S would be worn out and worthless after>20K>> or so and a Detriot would drive you nuts after 20K -- flame suit on
 :-) -->> been there done that with both ARB's and Detriot's!   ARB's aren't cheap>but>> they are the absolute best at giving you an open diff and a fully
 lockable>> diff.  Then they also let you have both at the touch of a button. Truely>> hard to beat.>>>>     Brian@nvrstuk"All the parts so it will run...">>>>>> ----->>>>**************>>I agree ARBs are convenient for locking and unlocking.  They have their>>tradeoffs. They are expensive and have a history of not being reliability>when>>you need them.>>Gnarls.> ------------------------------
 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 19:08:09 -0800
 From: "Persson Off-Road Systems (Drew Persson)"  Subject: 35's w/3" body lift
 That's all I've got on my '86, no rubbing at all. (maybe 3/8" or 1/2"
 crank on the torsions, but not much, didn't want to stiffen it up too much.
 My wheels have 4.5 backspacing.)
 Drew
 http://www.jps.net/persson/drewsrig.htm/> What is the correct backspacing to run on an 89 IFS pickup to get the> best clearance for 33" muds?> Has anybody been able to fit a set of 35" tires under an IFS with just a> 3" lift and with the correct mods to the inner fenderwell???
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 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 21:04:41 -0600
 From: "Tony Do"  Subject: bio
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 Name:    Tony Do
 City & State:    Franklin, WI
 Country:    USA
 E-mail address:    mr2td@netzero.net
 Toyota (s) year & model:  '95 Toyota Avalon (dad's)
 Are you a TLCA Member (Y/N/Number?):    N
 Age:    17
 Occupation:    student
 Marital Status:    uh, still single
 Hobbies:    computers, watching people wheeling (never done it personally),
 and cars in general, RC cars
 How did you find out about the Toyota 4x4 Mailing List:    previous
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 General info about your vehicle, self, etc.:    I've loved Toy4x4's since I
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 now.  I am envious of the kid at school who has a '98 Tacoma 4x4...
 aaargh.....  =)
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 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:07:13 EST
 From: "james stevenson"  Subject: Re: In Cab Screen>you wrote " 15' lcd screen " Wow! a 15 foot screen in your cab!
 Yeah OK typo 15inch
 James Stevenson (TonkaTuf)
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 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 19:21:17 -0800
 From: "Brian Cooke"  Subject: Fw: Help the ARB Heretic!
 Isn't there a list for "writers who can't get their work published list"
 ?  Join up...
 Brian@nvrstuk"All the parts so it will run..."
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 From: Gnarly4X@aol.com  To: toy4x4@tlca.org  Date: Monday, March 15, 1999 3:24 PM
 Subject: Re: Help the ARB Heretic!>In a message dated 3/14/99 11:38:11 PM US Mountain Standard Time, ej@off->road.com writes:>><<> Silly newbie. May God have mercy on your soul. You have volunteered for
 yet> another installment of "As my ARB Turns" in which you will comment about
 all> the times you've had to wait on ARB owners to fix crap on the trail, and
 all> the ARB owners are gonna be up in arms that you would have the audacity to> criticize their $1000 investments. I officially pass the torch to you.
 Good> luck and God speed.>> Ask them to hook the little blue heroin-air-line into your veins and press> the 'engage' button. You'll understand then.>> Guys, take it easy on him, he's new here and doesn't realize how sensitive> y'all are.>>>>>*********>EJ,>Thanks for your kind consideration. I believe in Karma, and you will soon>receive something good.  The truth is... down deep inside my 4-wheeling,>excessive compulsive subconscious libido, I want ARBs on my Toy.  I am
 jealous>and envious when I watch my buddies press that little button (it seems they>have it mounted in a very conspicuous place, and when they have to push it,>they make the action very noticeable!).  I have suppressed the urge to buy>because of cost and fear of overhearing the two guys standing near the
 gnarly>rock I'm about to climb, I reach for the button (making it real obvious)
 and>my ARB just won't engage.  I struggle to climb the rock with only my rear>locker.  I'm not looking as cool as I did just a few minutes ago on the
 last>gnarly rock.  My confidence and cockiness is draining.  Then one guys says
 to>the other "his ARB must not be working or he's just a novice and had to
 turn>off his CB so he could concentrate!"  Actually, I'm hoping that through my
 use>of reverse psychology, coupled with the horrific abuse and mud-slinging>therapy I am hoping to get from this group psycho-dude, ARB-equipped,
 ultra->sensitive 4-wheelers, someone will help destroy my subconscious mental
 block>that has me convinced that the ARB reliability problems are real!!   All
 help>will be very much appreciated.>Gnarls.>>===========================================================================
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