Toyota 4x4 digest:      Wednesday, March 10 1999      Volume 02 : Number 293
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Re: List sticker logo
Re: lockright ?s & 4WP sales this Saturday
Re: Gas tanks (stock & NWOR)
Vehicle inspections.
AT Instrument cluster swap
Re: brake bleeding problems (very important)
Re: brake bleeding problems (very important)
test
Re: Jp Eater & Marlin adaptor plates [contact info]
Re: Bumper (boo Performance Products!)
Re: List sticker logo
Attn Bret Barham (sp?)
re;Slowing rear window
Re: lockright ?s & 4WP sales this Saturday
Re: '85 22R with '84 22RE injection?
Slow Rear Window.
RE: Bad day in PA!
re;Wheel spacers vs offset wheels
RE: Weber 32/36 DGAV and other fun questions
Jamborees
RE: SS Brake Lines.... a Rebuttal
Re: Bumper (boo Performance Products!)
Re: Ebrake cable
Bio
lockrights
Re: lockright ?s & 4WP sales this Saturday
RE: '85 22R with '84 22RE injection?
Lockers in slippery conditions
Re: Bumper (boo Performance Products!)
My TJM bumper is on a slow boat from Australia...
Re: Lockers in slippery conditions
Lockers and Limited slip
Re: Lockers and Limited slip
Re: lockrights
Re: Jp Eater & Marlin adaptor plates
WCOR or otherwise
Re: SS Brake Lines (carbon pads)
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 13:43:57 -0600 (EST)
From: Brian Wiencek 
Subject: Re: List sticker logo
> Ok we have a have gotten a couple of good entries for the new logo
> sticker. See them at:
>
> http://128.111.151.211/offroad/logo/logo.html
Gee... Now that I own a 'new' IFS pickup I guess it would look silly to
have the IFS sticker on my solid axle and the solid sticker on my IFS !
;-)  Guess I'll have to get out the cutting torch and welder....
- - Brian
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:08:35 -0800
From: "Moomba Performance Xross-Training, Los Angeles" 
Subject: Re: lockright ?s & 4WP sales this Saturday
I think 4WP also sells the EZ-Locker for about $190. That's how much I
got mine for.
They're also having a big sale this Saturday which I believe is for all
locations (maybe just in CA) so anyone looking for shocks, straps,
lockers, etc., they normally have great prices at these sales.
Shawn Ooi    Los Angeles, CA    moomba@worldnet.att.net
1991 Toyota 4Runner SR5   197K   Rear EZ-Locker   K&N Filtercharger
Eibach 2" lift   2" b/l   RS9000s   32" Dueler M/Ts   other fun stuff
http://members.tripod.com/moomba4rnr/index.html
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Shawn H. Ooi, C.P.T. - ACE       (323) 960 7631
Moomba Performance Xross-Training, Los Angeles CA
Specializing in Fitness, Boxing and Kickboxing
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"Moomba" is an Australian Aboriginal word. It means
 let's get together and have fun.
DRM033@aol.com wrote:
Well, if you check other places, both the lockrite and EZ locker sell
for about $250 to $300.  Don't waste your money on the TRD locker for
$300 - it is a lockrite.  For some reson Leon Rosser gets killer deals
and no one esle can touch their EZ locker prices...
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 13:00:46 -0700
From: RAY 
Subject: Re: Gas tanks (stock & NWOR)
Does anyone make a tank that is larger than the Downey and NWOR ones?  I
want more gas and have my spare tires in the bed so can go with a larger
tank.  Has anyone had a custom one made?
At 10:12 AM 3/9/99 -0700, you wrote:
>How many gallons does the tank of a '91 x-tra cab 4x4 pickup hold?  I can
>never seem to figure it out.  I can't find it written anywhere either.  I
>think it's either 16 or 18.  Also, has anyone purchased the auxiliary tank
>from NWOR that fits above the spare tire (13.5 gal.)?  How does it work?  My
>guess is that it would be gravity fed into the main tank (so no pumps are
>needed).  Is that right?  How hard was it to install?  Does it seem to be
>fastened down pretty good?  (I take some tough bumps and jumps often when
>I'm out in the desert.)  My other concern is the wheelwell filler.  My truck
>is stock with 31"BFG's.  Is there any trouble getting the gas station nozzle
>back past the tire into the filler?  It's kind of hard to tell by the
>picture in the catalog (p.126).  Thanks in advance for any help.
>
>
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:07:04 -0600
From: "Brian.Gallus (Exchange)" 
Subject: Vehicle inspections.
What Andy brought up about brake lines reminds me of a truck I looked at
last summer.  It had a 5" skyjacker lift and stock brake lines.  They were
extended by adding a piece of solid brake line from the caliper up to the
rubber line.  I'd say the solid piece was about 8" long and precariously
close to the tire.  We don't have inspections here in MN, but sometimes I
wish we did.  I know they are a PITA, but some of the things people will do
to their trucks are simply amazing (and stupid).
bkg
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 13:14:43 -0700
From: RAY 
Subject: AT Instrument cluster swap
 Has anyone done the instrument cluster swap on an 85 automatic pickup
only to find that the AT oil temp light does not work with the new cluster?
 Everything else works, including the tack.  I just plugged it in, and of
course switched the oil pressure sender.  I don't know if something is
wrong with the new cluster, or if it is wired different.
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 13:22:41 -0700
From: "Jay Kopycinski" 
Subject: Re: brake bleeding problems (very important)
DRM033@aol.com wrote:
>Hey Jay, just to let you know, a local guy just did a rear disc conversion on
>his Toy using solid axle front rotors and Samuri calipers.  He says it works
>pretty good, since these calipers require less fluid to actuate them.  He
>hasen't even adjusted the rear prop valve or anything.
>I plan to test drive his truck & see how the pedal feels some day to get an
>idea of how good it stops.  He can't really tell since he never really drove
>the truck before he added the rear discs, and this is pretty much a trail only
>truck (trailered in).
Sounds good. I was working, at one point, on using Sammy rotors and
Supra rear calipers. Though the Supras are only single piston floating
calipers. One thing I ws worried about with using fixed position calipers
was getting them well aligned to the rotor. I don't really know exactly
how critical that is, but reasoned that the floating calipers could tolerate
more misalignment and might work better with me building the setup
without precision alignment capabilities.
Let me know how well his setup works. I hope to update my disc brake
swap info soon if I can get some more feedback from people.
Jay Kopycinski    '85 Toylet   (ROKTOY)
TAMOR Member  (ha ha Lance...... ;-)
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 13:29:15 -0700
From: "Jay Kopycinski" 
Subject: Re: brake bleeding problems (very important)
Byrond Davenport  wrote:
>I have been bleeding my calipers as they are on the truck.  But I did not
>bleed themm on the bench.  What type of 1" master could I use?
That bleeding should be fine. Many of the late model V6s had 1" bore
masters. I found there are two types, an aluminum body one and a cast
iron one. I used the cast iron one and only had to bend one hard line to
mate it on my '85 truck.
Jay Kopycinski    '85 Toylet  (ROKTOY)
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:30:06 -0800
From: "Robert" 
Subject: test
test
90 Toyota  4x4 EXcab sr5V6
Robert L Gerrodette
rlg@premier1.net
Robert.Gerrodette@pss.boeing.com
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 13:13:18 -0600
From: Robert Canon 
Subject: Re: Jp Eater & Marlin adaptor plates [contact info]
>Does anybody have any contact information for JP Eater cases and adapters?
Such as it is:
http://www.48.cyberhost.net/westcoas/obriens.html
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:19:54 -0800
From: Chris Geiger 
Subject: Re: Bumper (boo Performance Products!)
> By the way, James Stevenson - did you ever get any more info about the stuff
> were were *supposed* to get with our TJM bumpers?
That's a good question, I am about to install a 9000 into my steel TJM
bumper. It did not come with an extra bracket but I have seen pictures
of it on other steel TJM bumpers. What's the deal with this?
- --
Chris Geiger 93 4Runner http://128.111.151.211/offroad
Off-Road.Com Toyota section editor, Album page editor
Marlin case #103, 35" BFG tires, Solid Axle Conversion
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 13:26:52 -0800 (PST)
From: Luke P Miller 
Subject: Re: List sticker logo
On Wed, 10 Mar 1999, Brian Wiencek wrote:
>
> Gee... Now that I own a 'new' IFS pickup I guess it would look silly to
> have the IFS sticker on my solid axle and the solid sticker on my IFS !
> ;-)  Guess I'll have to get out the cutting torch and welder....
>
I usually prefer a razor blade for removing sticker, but if you want to
use a torch, go ahead....
:-)
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Luke Miller
umilll02@umail.ucsb.edu   Santa Barbara, CA
85 4Runner SR5 22RE 3" front Alcan lift, 3" rear mazda spring conversion,
25.4 mm body lift,  RS9000's, rear lock-right, 33" Mud-terrains, #276,
other ugly garbage
http://hometown.aol.com/wgwonka/4Runner.html
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 13:29:58 -0800 (PST)
From: Luke P Miller 
Subject: Attn Bret Barham (sp?)
Hey bret, drop me a line off the list. I lost your email. Thanks.
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Luke Miller
umilll02@umail.ucsb.edu   Santa Barbara, CA
85 4Runner SR5 22RE 3" front Alcan lift, 3" rear mazda spring conversion,
25.4 mm body lift,  RS9000's, rear lock-right, 33" Mud-terrains, #276,
other ugly garbage
http://hometown.aol.com/wgwonka/4Runner.html
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 13:36:47 -0800
From: David Fritzsche 
Subject: re;Slowing rear window
Try spraying all of the window channels with silicon spray, worked wonders
on my wife's Honda.
David Fritzsche, 1990 V-6 Ex_Cab, Roseville, CA, otto@inreach.com
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:43:33 -0600 (EST)
From: Brian Wiencek 
Subject: Re: lockright ?s & 4WP sales this Saturday
Is hter an ez-locker or lockrite for the toyota 7.5" front diff??
- - Brian
> I think 4WP also sells the EZ-Locker for about $190. That's how much I
> got mine for.
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 13:52:49 -0800
From: "Daniel Peper" 
Subject: Re: '85 22R with '84 22RE injection?
Yeah, but you also need to add all the smog crap and the ECU from the EFI
engine
ohhhhhh, the engines changed from 84 to 85, you probably would want to go
with an 85 or later EFI setup.
Dan
ace486@cyberg8t.com
- -----Original Message-----
From: Brian Wiencek 
To: Michael Fox 
Cc: Toy4x4@tlca.org 
Date: Wednesday, March 10, 1999 8:47 AM
Subject: Re: '85 22R with '84 22RE injection?
>> I have an 85 4x4 pickup with a 22R/ 5 speed and have found an '84 4
Runner with
>> a 22RE motor, not sure if it's 4WD or type of tranny. Question: Can I
take the
>> fuel injection off of the RE and put it on my 22R? I only have 75K on the
22R
>> and am not ready to trash it but would love to have the fuel injection.
you can
>> email me direct at: michael.fox@yale.edu
>
>Yep - simple bolt on... Pull all the EFI 'stuff' - wiring, sensors,
>manifolds, etc, and bolt them on to your engine - you'll need to use the
>EFI cam otherwise you'll probably end up with a rough idle. (cam specs are
>different) and you should end up with 10-12 hp after the swap too!  Then
>you can part the front axle out of that '84 and send it to me for my new
>project truck ;-)
>
>- Brian
>
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 17:04:27 -0500
From: "Tom Pechkovsky" 
Subject: Slow Rear Window.
I too have noticed this, sometimes it even stops about 2" shy of closed. If
I get out and give it a little tug to the side it seems to shut all the way.
Please foward any info you get.
Thanks,
Dave Stracher
djstracher@bbn.com
93 4Runner, V6 5 speed
I just had the same thing happen to me on the weekend.. it was fairly cold sunday night and my window didn't want to go up.. I sprayed some armorall on it to try to make the rubber slipperier....
Seemed  to make a difference, a little early to tell.  The hard part was trying to rub the armorall in before it froze.  I was going to try vasaline or something but, couldn't find any lying around.
Anyway ... my problem seems to be the glass not sliding on the rubber closer to the top of the window.
Tom Pechkovsky
92 4runner.
At 06:00 PM 3/9/99 -0800, you wrote:
>Hi, my rear window over the last year is getting more and more sluggish
>when it comes to going up. Is this the motor going or is there something
>else? Any help would be appreciated.
>
>Al
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 17:15:21 -0500
From: "Dan Schein" 
Subject: RE: Bad day in PA!
> From: owner-toy4x4@tlca.org [mailto:owner-toy4x4@tlca.org]On Behalf Of
> C. Andrew Zook
> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 1999 11:14 PM
> To: toy4x4@tlca.org
> Subject: Bad day in PA!
>
> Well, I went to pick up my truck from the garage where it was being
> inspected. I was hastily given a list of the following 5 things that will
> not pass.
>
> 1. Stainless Steel brake lines
There is not much you can do here. Unless the shop does not check, they are
doing what they are required too. This is regardless of how safe / unsafe
the SS ones are. (Same fight as 5-point harness vs. DOT approved 3-point
harness) 1) Use stock for inspection 2) extend stock - there is a Toy hose
that has a female and male end (DOT approved) that can by used as an
extension hose to make you stock hoses longer. 3) Have longer -rubber- ones
made.
> 2. Front bumper does not have end caps
This is a safety concern due to sharp edges also consider that your front
bumper is required to extend the width of your vehicle. Thats why I have my
rubber ends bolted on without all the supports, the ends do nothing but look
good.
> 3. Rear bumper measures 30".... must be UNDER 30"
1) Remove the bumper! You don't need one. 2) Use small (> 32") tires when
going for inspection.
> 4. Steering shaft has u-joint and rag joint - must have been modified at
> some point
Find another rig and grab a photo. Use a service manual that shows it - if
its stock they can kiss off.
> 5. Fuel line rubbing on rear shock
Since its not a fuel line - this is not an issue.
> I am just downright pissed off. I would rather the guy had just
> said "look,
> we really don't want to inspect your truck. Please take it
> elsewhere!" than
> come up with a list of bogus reasons why he cannot inspect it and
> proceed to
> take my $21.
I don't want to say that having a relationship (no not sex ;-) with your
mechanic is required. But it is important. Not in the sense of having them
turn a blind eye towards problems, but that they have an understanding of
your mechanical abilities - use of the truck and your own concern over
having a -safe- truck. (It can help)
If your reason for inspection wasn't driven by the PSP, id suggest a call to
them to review the list presented you by the garage. Most mechanics fear
them and want to avoid this as you would be suprised how many times it comes
out in the customers favor. When this happens depending on the mistake, it
can (and does) result in fines for the mechanic and garage.
- -Dan
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:16:52 -0800
From: David Fritzsche 
Subject: re;Wheel spacers vs offset wheels
Another thing you will find is the outside wheel bearings will not last as
long, more pressure on the bearing due to increased leverage. On my "55"
Chevy I had "reversed" or "kicked" rims, 56 chevy inner with 55 Buick outers
and I would go through out side wheel bearings and rear axle bearings about
every six months. Cost did not matter them, had to look good no matter what
the cost.
David Fritzsche, 1990 V-6 Ex-Cab, Roseville, Ca, otto@inreach.com
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:00:01 -0800
From: "Devin Noel" 
Subject: RE: Weber 32/36 DGAV and other fun questions
> For any of you Weber gurus out there, I need some advice on a Weber
> conversion. I have a 32/36 DGAV that I'm running on an '82 22R using the
> Downey high rise adapter and linkage kit. This high rise adapter doesn't
> allow you to use the original linkage since it's raised a couple of
> inches.
 Wish I could help there, but I did a 20R head swap and got an Offenhauser,
K&N, & Webber combo.
> My first question is, how do I connect the cruise control cable to this
> setup?
 I was able to attach my aftermarket cruse control pretty easily. the sleeve
attached right above the sleeve for the throttle linkage, and the wire had a
little loop on the end that fit over the little nub on the end of the stock
wire. Worked fine for stock and 32/36.
> Secondly, How do I rig up an idle up solenoid for the A/C? Or, do I have
> to just forget that.
>
> Finally, What is the best jet setup? I have the NWOR jet set for it but
> I don't notice much difference. (I'm not trying to start another NWOR
> bashing event:) )Has anyone had experience playing with the jets?
 Mine worked perfectly out of the box. I eventually started to try and tweak
with it, and after trying 1 or 2 adjustments, bad things happened/ I put it
back exactly how I got it, and it's worked great ever sense.
Devin Noel
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:01:41 -0500
From: J 
Subject: Jamborees
Does anyone know of a 4Runner Jamboree in the Western NY area?
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:08:58 -0800
From: "Devin Noel" 
Subject: RE: SS Brake Lines.... a Rebuttal
> The best material, as far as i'm concerned, for pads is the
> carbon blend they
> use on the space shuttle tiles.  While working at NASA in my
> youth (?), the
> lab guys would demo the tiles by holding them in their bare hands
> and using a
> torch to get them to glow red hot.. about an inch from their fingers.  Now
> THAT'S heat dissapation!
 Ya, I've seen that demonstration, pretty cool. Aren't they extremely
brittle though? I would think that would make them unsuitable for brake pad
type applications.
Devin Noel
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:46:37 -0800
From: David Fritzsche 
Subject: Re: Bumper (boo Performance Products!)
Sounds like this place is just away over priced NWOR!!
"Real Wheelers Are Built, Not Bought"
David Fritzsche, Roseville, CA,  1990 V-6 ex-cab, otto@inreach.com
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 17:51:08 -0800
From: "Tim Brewers" 
Subject: Re: Ebrake cable
yes, the cable on an extended cab is a little longer than on a reg. cab.  I
found this out the hard way when my dealer sold me one for a reg cab and I
had it almost completely installed before I figured out that it was too
short.  I think the ext. cabs one is about 12-16" longer than the regular
cabs.
Tim Brewers
89 V-6
- -----Original Message-----
From: james stevenson 
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org 
Date: Wednesday, March 10, 1999 6:42 AM
Subject: Ebrake cable
>Does anyone know of a longer cable (axle to lever) from another vehicle?
>Is the cable on the extra cab longer that the standard or dual cabs, as
>the extra cab has a longer wheelbase? I need one longer than OEM to stop
>it rubbing on the fuel tank.
>
>James Stevenson (TonkaTuf)
>Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 19:07:04 -0500
From: "Scott Schang" 
Subject: Bio
===========================
Personal Bio Info
===========================
POST TO THE LIST ONLY >> toy4x4@tlca.org
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Name: Scott Schang
City & State: Jamestown, NY
Country: USA
E-mail address: schang@servtech.com
Toyota (s) year & model: '87 4X4 Pickup
Are you a TLCA Member (Y/N/Number?): Don't know what this is
Age: 40
Occupation: Engineer / Production Manager, Cummins Engine Company
Marital Status: Married
Hobbies: Mountain biking, beer brewing, Scuba
How did you find out about the Toyota 4x4 Mailing List: Liszt.com
General info about your vehicle, self, etc.:
Bought this as a winter car in January, but fell in love with it.  Never had
a truck before.  My wife's having a hell of a time keeping me out of the
garage.  Snow fell on my '90 Honda CRX for the first time this year - I've
had it sitting in the driveway while I tinker on the truck.  I've done all
the tinker stuff, ie. oil change, coolant change, gear lube change, grease,
valve cover gasket, AAP diaphragm, E-brake, new tires, blah blah.  Now I'm
thinking about working on the body - new bed, fenders, bumpers, & paint.
The wife keeps reminding me that it's a winter car - but it's too much fun
for that.  I'll soon have to tell her that it's staying on the road even
after I get the CRX out for the summer.
Scott
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 17:13:19 -0700
From: "EZE_MONEY" 
Subject: lockrights
I bought my Lockrights this week from Randy's R&P. Front and rear to my door
for $450.00.
Leon Rosser's price for the EZ locker to my door in Arizona was about
$450.00
I was told by Randy's that the EZ locker warranty period was only like 90
Days, while the Lockright warranty period was 2 Years. I'll buy the
Lockright every time.
Eric C. Zite
1986 4Runner SR5,...,...,...
EZE_MONEY@MSN.COM
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 17:31:57 EST
From: DRM033@aol.com
Subject: Re: lockright ?s & 4WP sales this Saturday
bwiencek@kcnet.com writes:
> Is hter an ez-locker or lockrite for the toyota 7.5" front diff??
Yes, they have both.  I am presently running a lockrite in my IFS front diff.
David
DRM033@aol.com
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:35:24 -0800
From: "Devin Noel" 
Subject: RE: '85 22R with '84 22RE injection?
 The only change in 22Rx block design (to my knowledge) was a decrease in
deck height by 2mm in '85. If you were to deck the block 2mm on the older
style you'd have the same thing as a newer block.
Devin Noel
> Yeah, but you also need to add all the smog crap and the ECU from the EFI
> engine
>
> ohhhhhh, the engines changed from 84 to 85, you probably would want to go
> with an 85 or later EFI setup.
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 17:00:53 +0000
From: snowjoel 
Subject: Lockers in slippery conditions
I've heard that lockers can be dangerous in snowy / icy conditions on
paved roads.  What do you guys have to say on the subject ?
~ Joel
91 Xtra cab,  with some stuff,  and a buncha more stuff on my " Ya know
what I'd really like"  list   =o)
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 17:27:10 EST
From: DRM033@aol.com
Subject: Re: Bumper (boo Performance Products!)
kdb@molmed.ummed.edu writes:
> It seems obvious that I
>  must be the first person in the United States to order this thing!
>  Perhaps not many US people install winches in their bumpers? And perhaps
>  even fewer of those decide to get that bracket, perhaps just one, me.
Thats ok, back when I first ot mine in the spring of 96 I was obviously the
first person to try to make a Ramsey REP 9000 fint in their bumper - NOT.  I
talked with people at Hella, people from TJM in Australia, none of them knew
the REP 9000 would not fit this bumper (contrary to their advertisements).
I went round & rould drilling them with questions, and I specifically asked if
I needed the fairlead support.  They said it was only needed for the AL
bumpers, and they still say this in the PP book.
David
DRM033@aol.com
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:40:01 -0800
From: "Eric Johnson" 
Subject: My TJM bumper is on a slow boat from Australia...
>Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:12:11 -0500
>From: "Karl Bellve, Ph.D." 
>Subject: Re: Bumper
>Eric Johnson wrote:
>
>> My thoughts:
>
>> FWIW, don't order one from Performance Products if you need it in a
hurry. I
>> ordered and PAID for mine January 5th. Still no sign of it...
>Blame Hella, Inc on that. I did get mine within 3 weeks of me ordering
>it. Still not blazing speed but not as bad as the 5 months for my OME
>springs. The problem with the bumpers is that they 1) have to import
>them, 2) truck shipment. So, even if you wanted it in day, it would be
>hard to do.
>I would call Hella and ARB and check if they have any in stock. They
>will just drop ship to you. Performance doesn't actually stock the
>bumpers.
I'll do that. In fact, I just got the following email from PP today:
- ----
We checked with Hella. This part was supposed to come in from Australia
on their last shipment. As you can tell they did not get it. Their next
shipment is April 12 and will include your bumper.
- ----
So... anyways, I better give Hella a call and see what they say the scoop
is. I was told it would be two months at the outside, and now its looking
optimistically like 3.5 mos... which is particularly annoying since I PAID
for the bumper in january.
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 17:05:13 -0800
From: Chris Geiger 
Subject: Re: Lockers in slippery conditions
> I've heard that lockers can be dangerous in snowy / icy conditions on
> paved roads.  What do you guys have to say on the subject ?
From what I have seen most PEOPLE are dangerous in snowy / icy
conditions! Stay away! The only safe place to drive is California snow
where they close the roads every time it snows :-)
I have run both locked rear/open front and locked front & rear in snow
and ice and it's been just fine. Yes if your going fast around a corner
and hit the gas it's a little more likely to spin around but it's not a
problem.
- --
Chris Geiger 93 4Runner http://128.111.151.211/offroad
Off-Road.Com Toyota section editor, Album page editor
Marlin case #103, 35" BFG tires, Solid Axle Conversion
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 20:11:12 -0500
From: "Joe & Soosie" 
Subject: Lockers and Limited slip
>>>>As to the part about getting a L/S or a locker - her is my take.  I
personally think L/S are useless for the trail.  I just can't see spending
$350 or more for L/S when you get just that - limited slip.  If you don't
frequent *difficult* trails and 4 wheel drive to you is mainly for winter
road
driving - then a L/S may make you feel more comfortable.
Again, this is not meant to degrade those with L/S.  It is just that for
heavy trail use I have yet to see someone lake out a locker & indstall a L/S
in stead.  I have seen people remove a L/S and install a locker in its
place.
David
DRM033@aol.com<<<<
David, I definitely respect your opinion but I think your generalization
here is a bit overdone. Limited slip is not useless on the trail, in fact
it's very good and certainly better than an open diff. The TrueTrac I and
many others have engages seamlessly and while it isn't full locking, I'll
take the 80/100 split when I need it.
You discount the compromises we have to make when considering these
decisions. A locker in this (Cleveland) and similar climates just isn't the
most practical thing -- the sideways swingout on ice and snow on startup is
very dangerous. And an LSD actually enhances winter driving! Plus, lockers
wear out -- as do many LSD's -- and require rebuilds. You have to alter your
driving style (albeit minimally) to minimize premature wear on your tires as
well. And, not everyone is into the gonzo extreme 4wd scene, but can
definitely benefit from a traction aiding device for their type of wheeling.
LSD makes great sense, actually. For our rockcrawling and tuff truck
friends, lockers are probably better.
Just my $0.02.
Joe
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 17:26:36 -0800
From: "Kenneth Sigel" 
Subject: Re: Lockers and Limited slip
I've run my truck through the Rubicon open, a Trutrac in the rear, an ARB in
the rear, and the ARB and a Lockright in front.
Though the trutrac didn't lockup, it made a huge difference.  The main
difference with the ARB is when I pulled a tire off the ground, or when one
tire was in really slippery stuff -- On the wet rock when you turn the
corner around the big tree on Cadillac Hill.  Even then, the trutrac worked
well.  I only switched to the ARB after breaking the trutrac -- it was
almost 3 years old and I'm really hard on my truck.  The ARB is almost 4
years old and I haven't ever had any problems.
The last trip through the Rubicon, I had the Lockright and it made the trail
pretty easy.  When you know all four tires are turning all the time, it's
fun to pick the hardest lines.
Kendoll
- -----Original Message-----
>>>>>As to the part about getting a L/S or a locker - her is my take.  I
>personally think L/S are useless for the trail.  I just can't see spending
>$350 or more for L/S when you get just that - limited slip.  If you don't
>frequent *difficult* trails and 4 wheel drive to you is mainly for winter
>road
>driving - then a L/S may make you feel more comfortable.
>Again, this is not meant to degrade those with L/S.  It is just that for
>heavy trail use I have yet to see someone lake out a locker & indstall a
L/S
>in stead.  I have seen people remove a L/S and install a locker in its
>place.
>
>David
>DRM033@aol.com<<<<
>
>David, I definitely respect your opinion but I think your generalization
>here is a bit overdone. Limited slip is not useless on the trail, in fact
>it's very good and certainly better than an open diff. The TrueTrac I and
>many others have engages seamlessly and while it isn't full locking, I'll
>take the 80/100 split when I need it.
>
>You discount the compromises we have to make when considering these
>decisions. A locker in this (Cleveland) and similar climates just isn't the
>most practical thing -- the sideways swingout on ice and snow on startup is
>very dangerous. And an LSD actually enhances winter driving! Plus, lockers
>wear out -- as do many LSD's -- and require rebuilds. You have to alter
your
>driving style (albeit minimally) to minimize premature wear on your tires
as
>well. And, not everyone is into the gonzo extreme 4wd scene, but can
>definitely benefit from a traction aiding device for their type of
wheeling.
>
>LSD makes great sense, actually. For our rockcrawling and tuff truck
>friends, lockers are probably better.
>
>Just my $0.02.
>Joe
>
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:24:19 -0800
From: "Moomba Performance Xross-Training, Los Angeles" 
Subject: Re: lockrights
Was he a Powertrax dealer and not a Tractech dealer? Maybe that's why he
told you that to convince you to buy from him.
EZ-Locker has a one-year warranty...definately not just 90 days!!!
Still, 2 years is better than 1 year but I've not heard of any problems
with the EZ-Lockers in that short period of time, unless it's something
to do with installation error.
Shawn Ooi    Los Angeles, CA    moomba@worldnet.att.net
1991 Toyota 4Runner SR5   197K   Rear EZ-Locker   K&N Filtercharger
Eibach 2" lift   2" b/l   RS9000s   32" Dueler M/Ts   other fun stuff
http://members.tripod.com/moomba4rnr/index.html
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EZE_MONEY wrote:
I was told by Randy's that the EZ locker warranty period was only like
90 Days, while the Lockright warranty period was 2 Years. I'll buy the
Lockright every time.
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:46:45 -0800
From: Jonathan and Shallyn Powers 
Subject: Re: Jp Eater & Marlin adaptor plates
Sure, call Jack O'brien at 916-643-5537.
Jonathan
Lance Morin wrote:
> Does anybody have any contact information for JP Eater cases and adapters?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brandon Miller 
> To: toy4x4@tlca.org 
> Date: Wednesday, March 10, 1999 1:33 AM
> Subject: Re: Jp Eater & Marlin adaptor plates
>
> >I'd do the opposite, jack's gear is a bit lower and I like Marlin's adapter
> >better, Jack's is 4:1, Marlins is 4.7:1 - lower but they are both low..
> >
> >"Persson Off-Road Systems (Drew Persson)" wrote:
> >
> >>     The JP Eater adaptor is machined from billet aircraft aluminum, Marlin's
> >> adaptor is cast aluminum.  Functionally they're the same, so you can't lose
> >> with either. (I kind of doubt they would ever merge, I hear they each have a
> >> defective adaptor plate from the other to show on request!) You could
> >> definitely mix and match products as you like.  Jack had a hand in the
> >> design of Advance Adaptor's 4:1 gearset, so he can provide lower gear sets
> >> as well.
> >> Drew
> >>
> >> Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 13:47:29 -0800
> >> From: David Fritzsche 
> >> Subject: RE: V6, 5 Speed Crawler Options
> >>
> >> For the ultimate setup, I'd go with Marlin's gears and Jack's adapter.  I
> >> wonder if they'd consider a merger?
> >>
> >> I really doubt this would every happen, two completely different
> >> personalities.
> >>
> >> Why would you use Jack's adapter over Marlins?
> >>
> >> "Real Wheelers Are Built, Not Bought"
> >>
> >> David Fritzsche, Roseville, CA,  1990 V-6 ex-cab, otto@inreach.com
> >>
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 20:42:35 -0700 (MST)
From: SKYETONE@webtv.net (Skye Jerolamon)
Subject: WCOR or otherwise
I have nwor and downey and PP but who else has a toyota based web sight
or parts book that is acually worth buying from?I am bumping around all
the links but I don't see any thing for WCOR Is there such a beast?Lets
promote all our favorite people to workwith.
Iwill start with JACK-IT offroad here is salt lake to me for general
everything they are the shit here.They are just getting in the mags now
and they have a general catalog but if you are looking to get the part
they will usually beat the price.Tell them SKYE sent ya.

86 Toyota X-cab with LAZZA-LAZZA
"If at first you don't succeed: Give it more gas!!"
Quote of the week.
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 22:44:55 EST
From: Gnarly4X@aol.com
Subject: Re: SS Brake Lines (carbon pads)
In a message dated 3/10/99 10:29:35 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
billmiranda@netscape.net writes:
<<
 The best material, as far as i'm concerned, for pads is the carbon blend they
 use on the space shuttle tiles.  While working at NASA in my youth (?), the
 lab guys would demo the tiles by holding them in their bare hands and using a
 torch to get them to glow red hot.. about an inch from their fingers.  Now
 THAT'S heat dissapation!
 Bill Miranda
 1990 4Runner V6/SR5
 Stuff.. GOD I NEED A LOCKER!!!
 (SS Brake Lines and Carbon-Metallic Pads) >>
**********
Carbon blend pads are available from my Toyota dealer here in Phoenix.
Gnarls.
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