Toyota 4x4 digest:       Tuesday, March 2 1999       Volume 02 : Number 273
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RE: gas mileage
gas mileage
RE: gas mileage
Timing Belt
Re: March Trail Ride
Re: [TXTK] Las Cruces - 4runner
Rear axle spline count
Re: TERA FLEX
Re: ARB Master Distributor
RE: Anyone broken CVs with AT?
Re: gas mileage
Re: Throttle body black goo??
Re: NWOF
Re: Lubing lug nuts (long)
Lubing lug nuts
Re: Lubing lug nuts (long)
K&N Filters?
22RE Long Block Needed
O2 Sensor Light....
Re: Lubing lug nuts (shorter now)
Re: March Trail Ride
Re: Vibration question
Re: Extra cab on SWB frame
grease/ujoints question
Re: Broken CV's with AT
Re: Tacoma locker in a 95 4runner
midas/meineke rants
Re: king pin bearings - Attn: Brian
ujoints/grease
Re: Tacoma locker in a 95 4runner
Re: ujoints/grease
Re: Lubing lug nuts (shorter now)
Re: midas/meineke rants
3rd Member Removal
Re: K&N Filters?
Re: Fw: redline & engine life
RE: Fw: redline & engine life
RE: K&N Filters?
re:yet another clutch problem
Re: 3rd Member Removal
RE: Timing Belt
Re: Throttle body black goo??
Fw: Fw: redline & engine life
Re: 3rd Member Removal
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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 18:22:58 -0500
From: "Ken Flesher" 
Subject: RE: gas mileage
> I was wondering if my gas mileage was normal. I'm only getting
> about 16 mpg
> (corrected). my truck has 7" of lift, 33' tires and stock gears. The motor
> is stock also. What kind of mileage are you guys with a similar
> set up getting?
Have you corrected for the increased tire size? This will lower your
speedometer and odometer readings, giving you a false mileage.
- -KLF
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Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 18:23:49 -0500
From: "Jared Michael Sankovich" 
Subject: gas mileage
Sorry I forgot to mention its a 89' shortbed with a 22re
>I was wondering if my gas mileage was normal. I'm only getting about 16 mpg
(corrected). my truck has 7" of lift, 33' tires and stock gears. The motor
is stock also. What kind of mileage are you guys with a similar set up getting?
>thanks a lot
>Jared sankovich
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Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 18:28:10 -0500
From: "Jared Michael Sankovich" 
Subject: RE: gas mileage
yes I figured the error to be about 16% if I remember correctly
 jared
At 06:22 PM 3/2/99 -0500, you wrote:
>> I was wondering if my gas mileage was normal. I'm only getting
>> about 16 mpg
>> (corrected). my truck has 7" of lift, 33' tires and stock gears. The motor
>> is stock also. What kind of mileage are you guys with a similar
>> set up getting?
>
>Have you corrected for the increased tire size? This will lower your
>speedometer and odometer readings, giving you a false mileage.
>
>-KLF
>
>
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Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 10:43:36 EST
From: "james stevenson" 
Subject: Timing Belt
I have just replaced a 2.8D timing belt. The factory manual recomends
replacement every 100,000Km. They even have a counter built into the
spedo to warn you. This is the same unit on the 2, 2.2, 2.4L diesels.
Has anyone gone longer than the 100,000KM say 200,000 or more on the one
belt. This is the second time I have done the job, which is a real pain.
I cant see any real wear on the belt that would tell me to repace it. I
think this is just one of those get money out of you service deals and
was thinking of going to 200-300K next time.
James Stevenson (TonkaTuf)
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Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 18:47:00 -0500
From: Dale Roberts 
Subject: Re: March Trail Ride
Hy All;
I am not able to any wheeling  until April due to the fact that I am in the
process of  packing my sister so I can move her home to Louisville KY at the end
of the month.
Hope youall have a super time playing in the mud crawling over stuff.
Dale R.
Iwheel4x4@aol.com wrote:
> Hey folks,
>
> Ok, it looks like the weekend of March 20th is the most popular choice for the
> Shoe Creek run.  What I need now is a list of who will be able to make it.  I
> am not familiar with these trails or even exactly where they are located.  I
> *think* they are a bit south of Harrisonburg, VA off of I-81.  Patrick, Mike,
> Gordon?  I'll probably head down Friday evening and camp out.  Those of you
> who can make it, would you be coming on Fri. evening or Sat. morning?  Also,
> please give me a brief description of your truck, so that we'll know what to
> look for.  Those of you who will be camping out, make sure to bring plenty of
> food and warm clothing, as well as any other gear you think you'll need.
>
> As for directions to a meeting place, Patrick, Mike, Gordon....could one of
> you guys give me some directions to a good camp spot near the trails that
> would be able to handle up to about 10 trucks?
>
> I'll send out more info. as I get it.  Talk to y'all later,
>
> Allen Dickenson     IWheel4x4@aol.com
> http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Trails/8895/
> 1995 4Runner Limited - "FT KNOX" - Downey 1.5" rear lift springs, t-bars
> cranked, ARB Bull Bar, Rancho RS9000?s front, RS5000?s rear, 31x10.5 BFG
> A/T?s, K&N drop-in, raised diff. breathers, low-profile bumpstops, Smittybilt
> Nerf Bars, Warn Premium hubs, Hella 100W 500's.     coming soon:  custom
> rocksliders, 32" M/T's and maybe a locker!
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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 14:42:21 -0800
From: "Bob Williams" 
Subject: Re: [TXTK] Las Cruces - 4runner
Yea, his name is Ron Christensen, Divide Colorado.
He should be on this list soon.
Bob Williams, Las Vegas, Nevada
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From: cscotti@econophone.com 
To: tx4x4tech@List-Server.net 
; 'toy4x4'

Date: Monday, March 01, 1999 11:05 AM
Subject: RE: [TXTK] Las Cruces - 4runner
>Does anyone know the owner of the 94 4runner mentioned below?  Sounds like
>someone I could learn a few things from.  I would really like to use coils
>all around when I go to a straight axle and I would love to see some pics
of
>how he did it.
>
>Thanks,
>Chris Scotti
>CW Computer Services
>Cscotti@cwcomp.com
>www.cwcomp.com
>1995 Green 4Runner SR5 Soft-Top w/4"susp/2"body lift, 33"M/T's, ARB Rear &
>EZ-Locker Front, Bobbed 6", XD9000I Hitch-Mounted Winch, Custom Bumpers and
>Nerf Bars/Air Tanks, Lots of Lights & Techno Gadgets (Stereo, GPS, etc?),
>(Some mods in Progress)
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-tx4x4tech@List-Server.net
>[mailto:owner-tx4x4tech@List-Server.net] On Behalf Of Todd Hoffmaster
>Sent: Sunday, February 28, 1999 10:14 AM
>To: tx4x4tech@List-Server.net
>Subject: [TXTK] Las Cruces
>
>If anyone ever gets the chance to go to Las Cruces, NM to 4wheel you
>should go. We just got back from there and I am ready to move up there.
>The turnout for the SWFWDA event had some totally tricked out vehicles.
>I saw a '94 Toyota 4Runner running a solid axle with coil suspension all
>around. I also saw all the big named vehicles that are in 4WD and Sport
>Utility mag. every month. The vendors boothes were real nice, too. We
>went to the Warn booth and talked to the rep and then I went to the
>Durango Outfitters(yellow '56 Chevy truck cover of Off Road magazine)
>and bought the Warn Birfield eleminator kit. No more birfields for me :
>)  So much neat stuff!
>Anyway, the place is awesome and the drive wasn't bad either. 8hrs from
>SA.
>Just my .02 cents
>
>Miriam's '95 Sportage - iiyeee!
>Todd's '85 Taco4Runner :^)
>
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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 16:45:00 -0700
From: "David Eggleston" 
Subject: Rear axle spline count
Considering a change to the wider IFS truck rear axle for my '84. Question
is this: did they change the spline count on the newer axle shafts or will
they fit my '84 third member?
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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 16:23:06 -7 GMT
From: "Leo G. Divinagracia III" 
Subject: Re: TERA FLEX
> From: "Bob Williams" 
>
> talked to a guy named Jeff once at Tera-Flex, he said it is possible, would
> take a while (jeeps are first priority) and would be expensive (eg. a one
> off product).  But, if enough of us say build it, who knows?
>
hey gang,
if anyone's interested, rubicon express can also make arms.  but like what
bob said, making for me will be very expensive.  but a bunch of people,
they may even start a toyota line.
so for any second gen 4runner owners who want arms, and really good ones,
let's start a hat of names goin' and i'll see what we can get...
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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 16:27:36 -7 GMT
From: "Leo G. Divinagracia III" 
Subject: Re: ARB Master Distributor
> From: "Scott Tate" 
>
>     I am going to become an official ARB Full Line Master Distributor
> by the end of next week.  You guys know what that means..............  ;-)
>
huh, huh... huh, huh... he said master distributor...
but seriously, would you happen to get any word to see if arb can get a
locker for the 7.5" ifs????
and on a side note, scott opened his message with 'gentlemen'...  do we
have any female list members?  i don't mean they are on the list 'cause
their husband/BF/SO was the initial lister...  just wondering...
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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 16:32:06 -7 GMT
From: "Leo G. Divinagracia III" 
Subject: RE: Anyone broken CVs with AT?
> From: cscotti@econophone.com
>
> I just busted mine for the second time 2 weeks ago.  I actually broke the
> shaft between the cv and the wheel!  Is this hard to replace?
>
chris,
just curious, what terrain/condition were you in?  maybe i'm either
lucky/haven't wheeled hard enough/just hasn't seen that combo, but i can't
see that happening...  well, okay, a front locker would do it, on rocks,
and just really gassin' it.  am i right?
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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 16:35:59 -0800 (PST)
From: TrailDogg@webtv.net (~Trail Dogg~)
Subject: Re: gas mileage
I get 16-18
82  longbed-will bob aprox. 20"s off this month!
33"s and stock 4.10s- will be 5.71s and lockrights this month too!
 So you get the right MPG for your setup.
Darren/SeaBass
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Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 16:54:57 -0800
From: Scott Muir 
Subject: Re: Throttle body black goo??
Well that was my opinion until recently.  More than likely (notice I'm
not saying absolutly) it is the EGR system feeding oily exhaust into the
plenum...  After looking at a 22RE plenum, the EGR when it enters at the
back has a tube that runs the length of the plenum and opens up right
behind the throttle plate.  If your engine is going through oil at any
kind of rate, this is probably where some it is ending up.
Cleaning it helps a bit.  If you clean the manifold channels you'll get
a little better breathing for a while (depending on how bad it is)...
But as Luke mentions, it will eventually interfere with the throttle
plate.  Either with intermittent sticking open a bit (revs won't come
down below 1500 or higher) or may stick closed (hard peddle operation or
even snapping of the throttle cable, though I'm pretty sure you'll
notice something wrong long before anything like this happens)  If you
are going to clean it up, take great care to protect the TPS from
contamination with the cleaner you use (ie: don't let it run down the
shaft the plate is mounted on. kaching! $75+)
S.
>> Chris Caldwell wrote:
>> Well, this last weekend I removed my air intake to change one of my
>> plugs, when I noticed that the throttle body had a black goo around the
>> butterfly(not sure if that is what it is referred too, the flat thingee
>> that opens and closes.) Is this a bad sign of something??? Or is this
>> normal for an engine with 72k miles?? Do I need to clean this out???
>> Any advice would be appreciated!!!!
>> chris C.
>> caldwell@vol.com
Then Luke P Miller:
>It should just be splooge blowing in from the PCV valve. You might as well
>clean it out if it's easy to do right now. If you let it build up too much
>it may cause the butterfly to stick, or clog up other little air passages.
>But it is pretty normal buildup. Don't go sleepless over it, just clean it
>out whenever you have the engine apart.
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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 19:54:58 -0500 (EST)
From: "Karl D. Bellve, Ph.D." 
Subject: Re: NWOF
On Tue, 2 Mar 1999, Mike kash wrote:
> I was wondering if anybody else has had this problem with NWOF springs?
> After a year on a new set up front (3 1/2) I broke a leaf on the drivers
> side!  When i call them tommorow and bitch them out, would be cool to
> tell of other instances of this happening!!!
I broke a front passenger side leaf and a rear add a leaf. This was their
two inch soft ride suspension. I was wheeling in deep sand that you needed
four low to get around or you would bog down (atleast with my 22RE).
Extremely soft sand.
Cheers,
Karl Bellve, Ph.D.                   ICQ # 13956200
Biomedical Imaging Group             TLCA# 7938
University of Massachusetts
Email: kdb@molmed.ummed.edu
Phone: (508) 856-6514
Fax:   (508) 856-1840
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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 20:06:14 -0500 (EST)
From: "Karl D. Bellve, Ph.D." 
Subject: Re: Lubing lug nuts (long)
On Tue, 2 Mar 1999, Ken Flesher wrote:

> I found that the wheel was rusted firmly to the brake drum. I hit that thing
> with everything I could find, but it wouldn't come off. I finally had to
> call a tow truck. It didn't help that it was pouring rain and I was wearing
> nice clothes, working on a muddy road.
I have never used antiseize on the lug nuts but I do try and use it on the
back of the wheels. Especially if they are dessimiliar metals like
Aluminum and Steel.
I seem to have a problem of losing lug nuts. I checked the front lug nuts
this past weekend and they were loose. We had them off when we did the OME
suspension upgrade two weeks ago.
Cheers,
Karl Bellve, Ph.D.                   ICQ # 13956200
Biomedical Imaging Group             TLCA# 7938
University of Massachusetts
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Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 17:26:57 -0800
From: Barney McNamara 
Subject: Lubing lug nuts
>I'm wondering about the merits of keeping a light coat of Anti-Seize on your
>lug nut studs.
I do this as well, and have never had a problem with lugs loosening. Not
that there is a lot of rust here in Kalifornia.
> and a coat on the rear of the wheels
I have not gone this far, but it is probably not a bad idea.
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Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 17:35:08 -0800
From: "Roger Brown, P.E." 
Subject: Re: Lubing lug nuts (long)
I've been using anti seize on my vehicles for at least ten years now, never
had a problem with them working loose or getting stuck.  It is important to
use anti seize and not grease or other lubricant, though.  The torque specs
for most fasteners is specified "dry" and adding a general purpose lubricant
can change actual tightness for a given torque.  I do find I need to clean the
wheel studs and reapply the anti seize peroidically.
- --
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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 20:42:00 -0500
From: "Tim Cook" 
Subject: K&N Filters?
I have seen a lot of advertising and talk about the K&N  air filters. Are
they really an improvement over the stock filters?  I have a 86 4x4 22RE FI
automatic and it's a little anemic.  Anything to make it breath easier would
be a help I think..... Please email direct if you have any comments...
Thanks
Tim
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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 18:54:51 +0000
From: "Shaun" 
Subject: 22RE Long Block Needed
Hi everyone I am posting this for a friend who is currently in Miami
Fl.  He is in need of a 22RE Long Block.  He lives in Belize and will
be returning there shortly.  If you know either of one in that
general area or a reputable rebuild shop in that area please email me
directly so I can get all the details.  Thanx
Shaun, Colo Springs, Colo
Address:  trinity@codenet.net
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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 19:03:38 -0700
From: "Johnny" 
Subject: O2 Sensor Light....
I replaced O2 sensor on my 81 SR5 today in hopes that the "sensor" light
would turn off in my dash...No luck, it's still lit.  I dont feel bad
replacing the sensor as the "bible" says I should do it every 60K anyway, (
who knows if it ever was replaced)  but how do kill the light.  (p.s. the
correct way, not taking out the bulb!!).  By the way , that bad boy (O2
sensor) listed $120 at Toyota but I found a Bosch after market for $30.
Thanks, John
97 4Runner Rockcrawler, 81 SR5 Ultra-bobbed, TLCA #??, "WILD YOAT'S" Toyota
4X4 Club, SLC, Utah
www.geocities.com/baja/trails/1282/
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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 20:55:32 -0500
From: mrodg@juno.com
Subject: Re: Lubing lug nuts (shorter now)
>> I'm wondering about the merits of keeping a light coat of Anti-Seize
on your
>> lug nut studs. Some have said that this is a bad idea, as it helps
them work
>> loose. I have done this for many years, since the early 80's, and have
never
>> had a problem.
>
>I've been doing this on my truck for two years now. No problems yet.
>Actually, since I discovered anti-sieze, I put it on every bolt that
>doesn't get lock-tite.
Does this also help after the dreaded impact wrench wheel install after
they check the brakes for state inspections?  I really hate those things.
Mike Rodgers                     MRodg@Juno.com
1988 4Runner                    2.25" SS Exhaust
1.5" Downey Shackles      31" BFG All-Terrains
Bosche 100W fog lights   Junk Monroe SensiTrac Shocks
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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 21:02:39 -0500
From: mrodg@juno.com
Subject: Re: March Trail Ride
>I am not able to any wheeling  until April due to the fact that I am in
the
>process of  packing my sister so I can move her home to Louisville KY at
the end
>of the month.
Be sure to cut plenty of holes in the top of the box so your sister can
breath :-)
Mike Rodgers                     MRodg@Juno.com
1988 4Runner                    2.25" SS Exhaust
1.5" Downey Shackles      31" BFG All-Terrains
Bosche 100W fog lights   Junk Monroe SensiTrac Shocks
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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 20:24:08 -0600 (CST)
From: TacoRunner@webtv.net (Todd Hoffmaster)
Subject: Re: Vibration question
Are your hubs still locked? Check them. If I run around with mine locked
at hiway speeds I get a vibration, too. Just a thought
Miriam's '95 Sportage - iiyeee!
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Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 21:32:40 -0500
From: Chris Caldwell 
Subject: Re: Extra cab on SWB frame
Is it possible to just have your frame shortened??? If axles can be cut
and welded in this fashion, can the frame be done this way and still
retain strenght??? Seems to me this would be an easier route that moving
cabs or engines.
Chris C.
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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 20:59:06 -0600
From: "Mark Normand" 
Subject: grease/ujoints question
Thanks to lister Jody Young for sending me an owners manual for my 1993
4Rnr. I want to grease my ujoints etc. The manual says a spider/slide yoke
and a double cardan joint require different types of grease.  What type of
joints do I have? TIA...
Mark Normand
Lafayette, La.
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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 21:03:03 -0600 (CST)
From: TacoRunner@webtv.net (Todd Hoffmaster)
Subject: Re: Broken CV's with AT
I broke 2 of them with my Tacoma V6 and auto. Of course, that was before
the locker was installed. After that, no problems and I wheeled it even
harder than before.
Miriam's '95 Sportage - iiyeee!
Todd's '85 Taco4Runner :^)
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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 21:10:42 -0600 (CST)
From: TacoRunner@webtv.net (Todd Hoffmaster)
Subject: Re: Tacoma locker in a 95 4runner
They are different. The part numbers are different. 1615 for the Tacoma
and 1610 or 1620 depending on V6 engine in the 4runner.
Miriam's '95 Sportage - iiyeee!
Todd's '85 Taco4Runner :^)
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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 21:17:59 -0600
From: "Mark Normand" 
Subject: midas/meineke rants
>>Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 14:19:34 -0500
From: "Ken Flesher" 
Subject: RE: exhaust
(engage Rant Mode)
Stay out of Midas and Meineke!! They have quite the racket going.
>>
Let me add to Ken's comments:  My Meineke shop did ok brake work for me on
other 2wd vehicles before this 4wd 4runner. When I went in for front brakes
on the 4Rnr, I was quoted $150. Ok.  They called back 2hours later saying
they had to tear up the front seals to do the job...seals another $40. I
said ok (po'd), then got angry and called them back to say forget it, the
toy dealer would do the whole thing for about $160. Too late, it was on the
rack with everything off. I said ok, finish it up, then when I went to pick
it up, I called the owner outside and argued my $40 back because they didn't
tell me about that up front. About 30 days later the rotors warped and spent
+$300 at toy dealer replacing everything again (with new rotors). I saw the
old rotors, Meineke musta filed them with a hand metal file. There were
gouges everywhere. Moral for 4wd? Go to dealer. 'Nuff said. I assure you my
dealer will put my soon to be added warn hubs too. I might even let them do
my coil/shock upgrade since I don't know jack about extending the brake
line.
By the way, my dealer offers oil changes for $9.95 while you wait. Anybody
else see this in your town?
Sorry for more ranting....   Mark Normand
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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 22:06:53 EST
From: Gnarly4X@aol.com
Subject: Re: king pin bearings - Attn: Brian
In a message dated 3/2/99 10:22:19 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
bwiencek@kcnet.com writes:
<< I'm thinking of building a heim jointed drag link (stock steering on
 an '85 4 Runner - no crossover yet..) >>
************
Brian,
I installed a Procomp 4" drop drag link, replacing my stock one on my 85
Truck.  It took up a lot of steering slack and wondering.  It was $70 and took
about 30 minutes to install.
Gnarls.
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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 21:33:25 -0600
From: "Mark Normand" 
Subject: ujoints/grease
<>and a double cardan joint require different types of grease.
Oh oh, I figured this out....sorry.   But do you folks keep two grease guns
for each type? Sounds like a pain...
Mark Normand
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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 22:19:07 EST
From: Iwheel4x4@aol.com
Subject: Re: Tacoma locker in a 95 4runner
That's what I figured.
Allen Dickenson     IWheel4x4@aol.com
http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Trails/8895/
1995 4Runner Limited - "FT KNOX" - Downey 1.5" rear lift springs, t-bars
cranked, ARB Bull Bar, Rancho RS9000?s front, RS5000?s rear, 31x10.5 BFG
A/T?s, K&N drop-in, raised diff. breathers, low-profile bumpstops, Smittybilt
Nerf Bars, Warn Premium hubs, Hella 100W 500's.  Coming soon:  Lock-Rite
ordered for the rear, custom rocksliders, and 32" M/T's.
> They are different. The part numbers are different. 1615 for the Tacoma
>  and 1610 or 1620 depending on V6 engine in the 4runner.
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Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 19:45:44 -0800
From: Chris Geiger 
Subject: Re: ujoints/grease
> < >>and a double cardan joint require different types of grease.
I just use the same grease for all the joints, just your basic cartridge
grease.
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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 21:54:50 -0600
From: "Steve C." 
Subject: Re: Lubing lug nuts (shorter now)
|Does this also help after the dreaded impact wrench wheel install after
|they check the brakes for state inspections?  I really hate those things.
|
|Mike
Dang, where do ya live?
In TX they don't yank yer wheels, they just do the stopping distance thing.
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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 22:23:45 EST
From: Gnarly4X@aol.com
Subject: Re: midas/meineke rants
I'll second what he said... I had a bad experience with M....
Gnarls.
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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 22:52:42 -0500
From: "Nanci & Charlie" 
Subject: 3rd Member Removal
Can someone explain the removal process
for the Toy rear 3rd member please (87 P-U)?
Kinda confused on this and this is new territory for me
What else should I replace in the process?
Sure there are others with the same question.
Thought I'd throw this to the list, and see what turns up
Thanks as always
Beantown Charlie
NANCHAR@NII.NET
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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 20:09:56 -0800
From: "Daniel Peper" 
Subject: Re: K&N Filters?
Get one. I have one and I love it.
Plus you never have to buy another filter again.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Tim Cook 
To: toy4x4@tlca.org 
Date: Tuesday, March 02, 1999 5:45 PM
Subject: K&N Filters?
>I have seen a lot of advertising and talk about the K&N  air filters. Are
>they really an improvement over the stock filters?  I have a 86 4x4 22RE FI
>automatic and it's a little anemic.  Anything to make it breath easier
would
>be a help I think..... Please email direct if you have any comments...
>Thanks
>Tim
>
>
>
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Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 20:07:51 -0800
From: Jonathan and Shallyn Powers 
Subject: Re: Fw: redline & engine life
Mike Koenig says he runs his from 7000-8000 rpm during the entire race.
Jonathan
Brandon Miller wrote:
> Jonathon - what does Mike Konig run at? About 7500 or something? Those 22r's are
> pretty amazing.. and that is at long term for a race..
>
> Brian Cooke wrote:
>
> >     Remember, I didn't post that a 22R engine wouldn't rev out to 6K+. :-)
> > Of course they will.  I'm simply stating that an engine that has been
> > continually revved to the red line and has 100-200K will NOT run as many
> > miles or be in as good as shape as a vehicle that is always run/shifted at
> > the 3500-4000 rpm range with ALL other factors being the SAME.  Toy makes a
> > good engine that can stand a lot of abuse, no doubt about it.
> >
> > Brian@nvrstuk"All the parts so it will run..."
> >
> > 
> >
> > >>> I think it is actually good for your automobile to rev it out
> > >>> occasionally.
> > >>>  Ken Emanuel                kemanuel@off-road.com
> > >>
> > >>I've brought my little 22 to around 6500 purely by accident when I had
> > >the
> > >>radio full blast on Kenny G and was rip roarin' down this little dirt
> > >
> > >My question is where does the rev limiter kick in at?
> > >
> > >I've had myt old 89 truck up past redline hitting the rev limiter many
> > >times.  It never hesitated to go there.  That motor ran as smooth as can
> > >be.  It never complained by my driving.  If you really want to see how a
> > >22RE can rev, come out and visit me.  I'll send you down to my buddy's
> > >house to go for a ride with him.  He's never had a problem with his Toy.
> > >You'll be laying on the floor praying as he drives.  1st - redline, shift
> > >2nd - redline, shift 3rd - redline, shift 4th to about 90 mph, shift 5th
> > >till he comes to a stop.  Then it goes all over again.  One of the
> > >hardest drivers I've ever experienced riding with.
> > >
> > >Mike Rodgers                     MRodg@Juno.com
> > >1988 4Runner                    2.25" SS Exhaust
> > >1.5" Downey Shackles      31" BFG All-Terrains
> > >Bosche 100W fog lights   Junk Monroe SensiTrac Shocks
> > >
> > >___________________________________________________________________
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> > >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html
> > >or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 20:15:03 -0800
From: "Kenneth Sigel" 
Subject: RE: Fw: redline & engine life
How often does he pull the engine and rebuild it?
> -----Original Message----->
> Mike Koenig says he runs his from 7000-8000 rpm during the entire race.
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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 20:18:15 -0800
From: "Devin Noel" 
Subject: RE: K&N Filters?
> I have seen a lot of advertising and talk about the K&N  air filters. Are
> they really an improvement over the stock filters?  I have a 86
> 4x4 22RE FI
> automatic and it's a little anemic.  Anything to make it breath
> easier would
> be a help I think..... Please email direct if you have any comments...
> Thanks
 Got beat to death a while ago, but it basically amounts to this. They do
increase performance a little, by providing less of a restriction. However
they don't filter as well as a paper filter (somebody did a big study on
industrial equipment), and are noisier. If you get the complete airbox kits,
you get more power & noise than the stock airbox. Don't even think about a
K&N if you do serious mudding or water in you truck, paper stops water to
some degree, K&N's don't provide any protection at all.
Devin Noel	'86 Longbed, 20R head conversion, Webber 32/36, K&N
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Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 21:18:34 -0700
From: Shane Hoffmeyer 
Subject: re:yet another clutch problem
 Thanks Brian and Ken for your advice. The new master cylinder did the trick. I'll be a happy camper as soon as I get my
damn weber carb tuned right.....
shane
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Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 20:21:58 -0800
From: Chris Geiger 
Subject: Re: 3rd Member Removal
> Can someone explain the removal process
> for the Toy rear 3rd member please (87 P-U)?ta
1) Disconnect the fluid brake lines from the backing plates.
2) Remove the wheels and brake drums
3) Remove the 4 bolts from the backing plate
5) Slid out the axles about 4"
6) Remove the drive shaft
7) Remove the bolts around the diff and pull it out.
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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 20:30:58 -0800
From: "Devin Noel" 
Subject: RE: Timing Belt
> I have just replaced a 2.8D timing belt. The factory manual recomends
> replacement every 100,000Km. They even have a counter built into the
> spedo to warn you. This is the same unit on the 2, 2.2, 2.4L diesels.
> Has anyone gone longer than the 100,000KM say 200,000 or more on the one
> belt. This is the second time I have done the job, which is a real pain.
> I cant see any real wear on the belt that would tell me to repace it. I
> think this is just one of those get money out of you service deals and
> was thinking of going to 200-300K next time.
 I went 10k (miles) over on my old '91 Phord Escort, and it left me stranded
(but not with a damaged engine, thank god). Not sure if that engine is an
interference engine. If it is, I'd probably do it, otherwise your only risk
is getting stranded, no engine damage.
Devin Noel
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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 20:46:27 -0800 (PST)
From: Luke P Miller 
Subject: Re: Throttle body black goo??
On Tue, 2 Mar 1999, Scott Muir wrote:
> Well that was my opinion until recently.  More than likely (notice I'm
> not saying absolutly) it is the EGR system feeding oily exhaust into the
> plenum...  After looking at a 22RE plenum, the EGR when it enters at the
> back has a tube that runs the length of the plenum and opens up right
> behind the throttle plate.  If your engine is going through oil at any
> kind of rate, this is probably where some it is ending up.
>
Ooh, I hadn't thought about that one. Maybe that will explain some of
my disappearing oil. It'd be nicce to know where it's going, even if I
can't stop it.
________________________________________________________________________
Luke Miller
umilll02@umail.ucsb.edu   Santa Barbara, CA
85 4Runner SR5 22RE 3" front Alcan lift, 3" rear mazda spring conversion,
25.4 mm body lift,  RS9000's, rear lock-right, 33" Mud-terrains, #276,
other ugly garbage
http://hometown.aol.com/wgwonka/4Runner.html
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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 20:51:31 -0800
From: "Brian Cooke" 
Subject: Fw: Fw: redline & engine life
 Is the race 100 or 200 thousand miles   :-)
 Brian@nvrstuk"All the parts so it will run..."
- -----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan and Shallyn Powers 
To: toy4x4@tlca.org 
Date: Tuesday, March 02, 1999 8:16 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: redline & engine life
>Mike Koenig says he runs his from 7000-8000 rpm during the entire race.
>
>Jonathan
>
>Brandon Miller wrote:
>
>> Jonathon - what does Mike Konig run at? About 7500 or something? Those
22r's are
>> pretty amazing.. and that is at long term for a race..
>>
>> Brian Cooke wrote:
>>
>> >     Remember, I didn't post that a 22R engine wouldn't rev out to 6K+.
:-)
>> > Of course they will.  I'm simply stating that an engine that has been
>> > continually revved to the red line and has 100-200K will NOT run as
many
>> > miles or be in as good as shape as a vehicle that is always run/shifted
at
>> > the 3500-4000 rpm range with ALL other factors being the SAME.  Toy
makes a
>> > good engine that can stand a lot of abuse, no doubt about it.
>> >
>> > Brian@nvrstuk"All the parts so it will run..."
>> >
>> > 
>> >
>> > >>> I think it is actually good for your automobile to rev it out
>> > >>> occasionally.
>> > >>>  Ken Emanuel                kemanuel@off-road.com
>> > >>
>> > >>I've brought my little 22 to around 6500 purely by accident when I
had
>> > >the
>> > >>radio full blast on Kenny G and was rip roarin' down this little dirt
>> > >
>> > >My question is where does the rev limiter kick in at?
>> > >
>> > >I've had myt old 89 truck up past redline hitting the rev limiter many
>> > >times.  It never hesitated to go there.  That motor ran as smooth as
can
>> > >be.  It never complained by my driving.  If you really want to see how
a
>> > >22RE can rev, come out and visit me.  I'll send you down to my buddy's
>> > >house to go for a ride with him.  He's never had a problem with his
Toy.
>> > >You'll be laying on the floor praying as he drives.  1st - redline,
shift
>> > >2nd - redline, shift 3rd - redline, shift 4th to about 90 mph, shift
5th
>> > >till he comes to a stop.  Then it goes all over again.  One of the
>> > >hardest drivers I've ever experienced riding with.
>> > >
>> > >Mike Rodgers                     MRodg@Juno.com
>> > >1988 4Runner                    2.25" SS Exhaust
>> > >1.5" Downey Shackles      31" BFG All-Terrains
>> > >Bosche 100W fog lights   Junk Monroe SensiTrac Shocks
>> > >
>> > >___________________________________________________________________
>> > >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail.
>> > >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at
http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html
>> > >or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
>> > >
>> >
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Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 21:24:51 -0800
From: Jim Brink 
Subject: Re: 3rd Member Removal
Chris Geiger wrote:
>
> > Can someone explain the removal process
> > for the Toy rear 3rd member please (87 P-U)?ta
>
> 1) Disconnect the fluid brake lines from the backing plates.
> 2) Remove the wheels and brake drums
> 3) Remove the 4 bolts from the backing plate
> 5) Slid out the axles about 4"
> 6) Remove the drive shaft
> 7) Remove the bolts around the diff and pull it out.
>
Don't forget the parking brake cables ;-)
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