Toyota 4x4 digest:     Tuesday, February 23 1999     Volume 02 : Number 257
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 '89 4Runner shop manual
 Transmission problem
 Body work
 bio
 lift kits
 Re: Bobbed Soft top 95 4Runner Pics (Submariniing)
 The "Taco" is coming....
 Re: Transmission problem
 Re: ARB locker leaking
 Rear Springs
 RE: Waterproofing My 4Runner
 Re: Waterproofing My 4Runner
 RE: Waterproofing My 4Runner
 Re: Waterproofing My 4Runner
 auto hub conversion
 RE: Waterproofing My 4Runner
 RE: Seperate solid axel sticker? No way!
 Re: auto hub conversion
 RE: Waterproofing My 4Runner - Battery
 Watery sound - A/C?
 Re: Watery sound - A/C?
 Re: Rear Springs
 "New" Member
 A/C condensation on drivers side of Tacoma?
 Re: Body work
 Tacoma hub rattle
 Re: Watery sound - A/C?
 RE: Waterproofing My 4Runner - Battery
 Re: Submarinning
 Swap delay & trail report
 re: 90's Land Cruiser gas mileage?
 Header Gasket Replacement
 Marfield, Birfield and other options?
 Re: Bad Idle & Gas mileage
 Racing tire pressure.
 Re: ARB locker leaking
 Re: Waterproofing My 4Runner
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 Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 11:26:47 -0800
 From: kkuo@wimsey.com
 Subject: '89 4Runner shop manual
 Hi,
 Anyone in southwestern BC area that has an extra '89 4Runner shop manual for
 sale ? Let me know if you do. Thanks in advance.
 Ken Kuo
 kkuo@wimsey.com
 Vancouver, BC
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 Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 11:28:22 -0800
 From: "jskaggs"  Subject: Transmission problem
 Hey guys and gals,
 I am having a little trouble with my transmission in my '85 4Runner.  I went
 to AZ. a couple of weeks ago and did a little exploring on the back roads
 with my family, we didn't do anything challenging at all.  But the next day
 when it was time for me to come back home I got on the highway and it would
 not go into 5th gear all of the other gears work and do not make noise.  It
 acts like fifth gear was never in the tranny, it's like there is no gate for
 it to go into.  It was a REALLY long trip back without 5th and 33" with
 5.29's.  I haven't done much to diagnose it but I have been told that it is
 probably internal.  Anyone have this problem before or have an idea?  I am
 going to take out the shifter tomorrow to see if it could be in there.
 Thanks for any help.
 John Skaggs
 Member of TLCA# 5560, High Sierra Toyota's, Toys 4 Fun and Blue Ribbon
 Coalition
 thunder90@msn.com
 Visalia, CA
 85 4Runner  Marlin Crawler Double T-C #232, Marlin Crawler 4.70 gears #267
 5" Alcan's, 33" Big-O M/T's, 5.29's and Blue Hoses in the Diff's.
 But still not finished ;-)
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 Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 11:21:32 -0800
 From: Stan Lim  Subject: Body work
 I have got a 88' xtra cab that I use to show and years ago I had a targa
 top (A partial covertible top)  put into it. Now I want to start
 wheeling it and know this could be a problem, plus it leaks really bad
 in the rain. My question is how tuff is it to weld a top back on it and
 what kind of problems will I face, if any??
 I found a cab at a local junk yard that I can pick up which has the
 front window, top, and back including the extra cab windows all in good
 shape.
 Any advice would be appretiated.
 Thanks
 Stan Lim
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 Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 03:28:04 +0800
 From: dbrewste@micl.com.au
 Subject: bio
 Name:d brewster
 City & State:bunbury . western australia
 Country:australia
 E-mail address:dbrewste@micl.com.au
 Toyota (s) year & model:4runner 89 4door
 Are you a TLCA Member (Y/N/Number?):n
 Age:36
 Occupation:plant operator
 Marital Status:i did
 Hobbies:4x4,fishing,my kawasaki z1000
 How did you find out about the Toyota 4x4 Mailing List:surfing the net on night
 shift
 General info about your vehicle, self, etc.:1989 forerunner just got a month ago
 , after selling my hilux extra cab a couple of years ago due to growing family i
 ve been missing out on to much. now im back in the game. i got my runner at an
 auction at a price i couldnt refuse. she seems to have been used but not abused.
 so far every thing is stock . 22r donk needs a bit of a tickle up. extractors,
 carby,etc. the licence plates last three digits are 666 & she has 5 star alloys
 with 31x10.5 rubber.red duco finishes the picture, so christians beware.
 we have a lot of beaches so mostly she will get sand action. my midgets are 8 &
 9 years old so they are as keen as i am.
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 Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 00:02:25 -0500
 From: Carl Konopski  Subject: lift kits
 I am considering installing a 4"-6" suspension lift in my 86 extra-cab 4
 cyl.
 Does anyone have any positive/negative feedback or advice on the various
 lifts available?
 You can email me at konopski@dowco.com.
 Thanks in advance,Carl
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 Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 12:17:19 -0800
 From: "Kenneth H. Fong"  Subject: Re: Bobbed Soft top 95 4Runner Pics (Submariniing)
 Clean  the connectors well and ASAP because I lagged.  My terminals corroded
 enough to cause my truck to barely run.  Also, clean electrical terminals behind
 the left kick panel as well.  Probably a good idea to do the air flow meter and
 terminals, too.
 cscotti@econophone.com wrote:> We pulled it out and checked the filter box for water.  There was a little> in the bottom of the trap but the filter was dry.  I started it up?I ran> rough and stalled a few times but it ran.  I couldn't wheel in it because of> the rev limitation at 1800 caused by the wet computer (a typical problem so> I hear).  The computer itself is sealed but the connectors are not.  I will> be coating them with silicone to avoid this problem in the future.>> Chris:>> Gee, I though Ken Fong already proved that 4Runners don't float. How long> did it take you to get things dried out and back on the road? I take it you> ditched the carpeting on the re-build?>> -KLF> - --
 Kenneth H. Fong
 San Francisco State University
 http://mercury.sfsu.edu/~stealth
 415-605-7276
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 Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 12:58:41 -0800
 From: "Ronald Erickson"  Subject: The "Taco" is coming....
 Hello all.... After several weeks of bugging  you people about which kind
 of lift I should put on my 98 Tacoma.  I finally decided.  I went with the
 Trailmaster 6" lift,  33x12.50 MT BFG's on Eagle 15x10 289 wheels.
 The reason I did not go with the 4" Procomp is two fold.  First,  Everybody that
 I talked too that had the 4" Procomp and 33" tires had problems with their tires
 rubbing.  Even Procomp only suggests 32" tires.  I 4x4 my truck, the lift is not for
 looks.  And I did not want any rubbing when out 4 wheelin'.  Second,  After talking
 to a few local shops,  I was told that under "rock crawling" conditions that the
 procomp
 lift had some problems with the spindle spacer breaking.  That is why Trailmaster went
 with the strut tower config.
 I almost went with the 33x12.50 TSL Thornbirds,  but I decided to get the BFG's
 due to the fact that they ride much better and last alot longer.
 Also in the past week I put on some Smittybuilt sure step nerf bars,  and Installed a
 Cobra 75wx remote mount CB radio.  My truck is a 1998 Tacoma TRD extracab
 V6.  I will put some before and after pictures on the net when this is complete.  Im
 dropping
 off my truck at the shop tomorrow morning and pick it up Thursday.
 Thanks for your help everybody,
 Ronn Erickson
 r41113@email.sps.mot.com
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 Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 14:02:11 -0600
 From: "Scott Tate"  Subject: Re: Transmission problem
 Probably sheared the pin on the 5th gear fork, thats internal  ;-)
 Cheers,
 Scott Tate                             Sterling McCall Toyota
 713-270-3900 ext.3512        9400 S.W. Freeway
 800-231-1440 nat.                Houston, Tx. 77074
 800-392-3341 Tx.                 Fax 713-270-3942
 LXFJ_Consigliari@email.msn.com
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 From: jskaggs  To: toy4x4@tlca.org  Date: Tuesday, February 23, 1999 1:31 PM
 Subject: Transmission problem>Hey guys and gals,>>I am having a little trouble with my transmission in my '85 4Runner.  I
 went>to AZ. a couple of weeks ago and did a little exploring on the back roads>with my family, we didn't do anything challenging at all.  But the next day>when it was time for me to come back home I got on the highway and it would>not go into 5th gear all of the other gears work and do not make noise.  It>acts like fifth gear was never in the tranny, it's like there is no gate
 for>it to go into.  It was a REALLY long trip back without 5th and 33" with>5.29's.  I haven't done much to diagnose it but I have been told that it is>probably internal.  Anyone have this problem before or have an idea?  I am>going to take out the shifter tomorrow to see if it could be in there.>>Thanks for any help.>>John Skaggs>Member of TLCA# 5560, High Sierra Toyota's, Toys 4 Fun and Blue Ribbon>Coalition>thunder90@msn.com>Visalia, CA>85 4Runner  Marlin Crawler Double T-C #232, Marlin Crawler 4.70 gears #267>5" Alcan's, 33" Big-O M/T's, 5.29's and Blue Hoses in the Diff's.>But still not finished ;-)>>>>>===========================================================================
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 Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 12:10:56 -7 GMT
 From: "Leo G. Divinagracia III"  Subject: Re: ARB locker leaking> From: "Meres & Kellee" > well my problem is that my front ARB seem to be leaking from some place.> I've leak tested all the air lines run to and from the front locker(soapy> water). the rear seems to be fine but as soon as I turn the front locker on> the air compressor will cycle on and off every two min. Will the ARB leak> from the inside? Please Toyota god help.> thanks for all the help past and future
 check my web page below for the description of a similar problem i had
 with my arb.  remember, this is installation error...
 www.sbeusers.csuhayward.edu/~ldivinag/tdw
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 ldivinag@csuhayward.edu
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 Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 14:27:18 -0600
 From: Stricklin@tomah.com (Lisa Stricklin)
 Subject: Rear Springs
 I`m looking for a place to buy new rear springs. I checked the dealer
 they wanted almost $1000.00 just for the parts. I`m looking at the
 Skyjacker 4" lift softride springs. Does anyone have these or something
 better?
 Ken
 stricklin@tomah.com
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 Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 14:21:20 -0600 (CST)
 From: Brian Wiencek  Subject: RE: Waterproofing My 4Runner> 	4.	Seal all holes in floor board - I am using a spray in> bedliner and I am hoping that will work>> You might still need to silocone up some holes after the> linner is put in.
 I personally would use a silicone sealer on the holes BEFORE the liner is
 sprayed in - that way you get a nice even surface without worry of holes.> 	2.	Batteries and exposed wires under hood?>  Get a marine case for the battery and silicone any cables.
 I'd skip the marine case - it's usually just a vented plastic box - won't
 slow water down much.  I would use a sealed battery in order to prevent
 the acid from mixing with 'swamp water' when you're underwater.  Keep the
 connections clean & corrosion free, and put some grease or vaselene on
 them to prevent water from corroding them so quickly.> 	      Don't forget about the ignition switch and the wires that> go to it and the starter.
 Well, sealing the starter is probably a good idea, use a silicone sealer
 on all the mating parts, and that should slow water entrance into it -
 it'll probably get in from the belhousing end.  Now there's really no way
 of sealing the factory alternator and anyone that has gone muddin' will
 tell you the brushes can get filled with junk and cease to work temporarly
 - - flushing with clean water usually takes care of this.  The alternators
 run warm when they're woring near capacity, so I wouldn't want to seal it
 up.
 - - Brian
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 Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 12:21:51 -7 GMT
 From: "Leo G. Divinagracia III"  Subject: Re: Waterproofing My 4Runner> From: cscotti@econophone.com> this is from a 1996 'four wheeler' mag that had a section on water
 proofing your rig...> Concerns I still have:> 1.  Distributor - How impervious to water is it?
 drill drain holes into it> 2.  Batteries and exposed wires under hood?
 use waterproof connectors.> 3.  In cab wiring (Rear Lights, Center Console etca) - This didn't freak out> last time I had it under water.  Did I just get lucky?
 yup, you got lucky...> 4.  Seats - Has anyone found a way to seal seats and still make em> comfortable?
 neoprene covers.  although it doesn't fully enclose the seats, at least
 the surfaces are...  performance prods. sells a pair for around $250...> 5.  Transmission -I cant find the damn breather to extend it!
 damn, i coulda sworn one night while bored to death and looking at the
 service manuals, there was a vent nipple for the auto tranny...> 6.  Transfer Case - I heard this was sealeda
 so maybe go drill and tap one...  talk to marlin c. about this...> 7.  Wheel Bearings, CV Joints etca - Is there any hope?> use marine grease.  and you should redo the bearings anyway, when
 submarinning...
 and finally, a bilge pump that goes on automatically should be a nice
 addition...
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 Leo G. Divinagracia III
 ldivinag@csuhayward.edu
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 Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 14:36:32 -0600 (CST)
 From: Brian Wiencek  Subject: RE: Waterproofing My 4Runner> crossings.  However the seal between the hood and filter box below it will> be a hard part.  I was thinking of using some sort of flexible thick gasket> that sealed an area larger than the hole to make up for any play that the> hood might have.  Think washer made of surgical tubing?  Maybe it actually> will work??
 Try looking at the gaskets that GM/Ford/Dodge used on their ram air setups
 - - it contacted the hood faily well, and had a channel that fit over the
 edge of the air cleaner housing.  A lot of reproduction pieces area
 available out there - try classic industries or a host of other
 weatherstripping mfgrs.> Line-x eh?  I would like to see a sample of that.  Is it consumer applicable> or does a shop need to do it?  Spray on? Flexible?  I am planning on coating> the backs of the seats as well as a flexible piece of rubber that will go> between the bottom of the back of the seat and the tub.  I have honestly not> decided what to use yet.  I don't really like Durabak as it is too rough and> sandpaper like.
 Well, I've never come across a product that applied as thick or as 'nice'
 as the commercial spray-on coatings.  I know that for the price when I was
 looking to do the bed of my truck that a liner from Line-x, Rhino or the
 like wasn't that much more than doing durabak, and would end up about 10x
 thicker overall, and not nearly as grainy.
 - - Brian
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 Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 14:42:37 -0600 (CST)
 From: Brian Wiencek  Subject: Re: Waterproofing My 4Runner>> 5.  Transmission -I cant find the damn breather to extend it!>> damn, i coulda sworn one night while bored to death and looking at the> service manuals, there was a vent nipple for the auto tranny...
 **IF** I recall right it might be at the front of the tranny case inside
 the belhousing - pointed right at the torque converter - I think to extend
 this you'd need to tap the hole, use a right angle fitting and then use a
 solid line through the top of the case, then attach the flexible hose from
 there - and double & triple check that it doesn't rub the converter.
 Otherwise seal the hole (tig weld??) and drill & tap one on the top side
 of the case.
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 Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 12:52:33 -0800
 From: David Gibbs  Subject: auto hub conversion
 I am swapping to manual hubs on my 88 4runner SR5.  Is there anything
 weird in there I need to know about?  How do I remove the spindle bolts
 on the auto hubs?  Thanks,
 David Gibbs
 88 4runner SR5 V6
 PS.  Do you still need someone to take pics of this swap?
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 Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 14:43:12 -0600
 From: cscotti@econophone.com
 Subject: RE: Waterproofing My 4Runner
 Leo G. Divinagracia III Wrote:> Concerns I still have:> 1.  Distributor - How impervious to water is it?
 drill drain holes into it
 I have heard of drilling holes in the distributor before but am not sure how
 to do it or where.  Anyone done this before?  Success stories?  I am afraid
 this would hurt more than it would help.
 Chris Scotti
 CW Computer Services
 Cscotti@cwcomp.com
 www.cwcomp.com
 1995 Green 4Runner SR5 Soft-Top w/4"susp/2"body lift, 33"M/T's, ARB Rear &
 EZ-Locker Front, Bobbed 6", XD9000I Hitch-Mounted Winch, Custom Bumpers and
 Nerf Bars/Air Tanks, Lots of Lights & Techno Gadgets (Stereo, GPS, etc?),
 (Some mods in Progress)
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 Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 13:48:22 -0700
 From: "Jay Kopycinski"  Subject: RE: Seperate solid axel sticker? No way!
 offroader@digitalpla.net (Tony Barnett) wrote:>Not to start anything here but if a club will not let you run with them>then you do not need that club, have your friend leave the club.>I used to do all my wheeling with Jeeps.  I would help if they break,>they would help if I broke.
 snip
 The following is based on much generality  ;-)
 I've been wheelin' in my Toy for over 13 years now and it's amazing
 how things have changed. Way back it used to be that Toy trucks were
 not looked upon with much respect. I often heard jokes and disparaging
 remarks spoken out loud. If someone were to make a complement about
 my truck or another Toy it was usually done in a close, quiet conversation.
 Comments heard over the CB were generally not favorable.
 As time passed, the bad remarks were more vocal at the start of the trail, but
 died out along the way as the Toys kept up with the other vehicles.
 Nowadays, most any knowledgeable fourwheeler knows better than to
 bad mouth a Toy truck or 4Runner........you just never know who might
 and might not survive the trail   ;-)
 Anyways....true wheelers don't really care what you wheel, as long as
 you do wheel.
 Jay Kopycinski    '85 Toylet  (ROKTOY)
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 Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 12:48:00 -0800
 From: Scott Wilson  Subject: Re: auto hub conversion
 David Gibbs wrote:>>   I am swapping to manual hubs on my 88 4runner SR5.  Is there anything> weird in there I need to know about?  How do I remove the spindle bolts> on the auto hubs?  Thanks,>                                                     David Gibbs>                                                 88 4runner SR5 V6>      PS.  Do you still need someone to take pics of this swap?
 Nope, Shane Hook supplied me with the needed pictures.  The page is on
 my to-do list.  It'll probably get done in March.
 Here is a description of removing the auto hubs written by Bill
 Brown....
 O.k. You take off the auto hub cover and then you remove the 12mm nut on
 the
 inside of the hub. Remove the 12mm nuts and cone washers. Pull off the
 hub
 body. Compress the spring with a pair of pliers and move it  around so
 that
 you can get a size 20 torx bit  in to remove the three torx bolts and
 remove
 the auto hub clutch (it just sort of fell out from there.) Remove the
 54mm
 hub nut and that 's it for the removal part. Then you start putting on
 the
 hub nuts and washers on. And I wanted to ask you a question. It was as
 easy
 as you said and worth every dime( even the$20 54mm craftsmen socket) .
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 Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 14:50:23 -0600
 From: cscotti@econophone.com
 Subject: RE: Waterproofing My 4Runner - Battery
 Brian Wiencek wrote> 	2.	Batteries and exposed wires under hood?>  Get a marine case for the battery and silicone any cables.
 I'd skip the marine case - it's usually just a vented plastic box - won't
 slow water down much.  I would use a sealed battery in order to prevent
 the acid from mixing with 'swamp water' when you're underwater.  Keep the
 connections clean & corrosion free, and put some grease or vaselene on
 them to prevent water from corroding them so quickly.
 I am setting up a dual optima battery(1 yellow, 1 redtop) setup with an
 isolator solenoid that will allow me to isolate it from the cab in winching
 operations.  It will also be connected to the ignition so that it will
 isolate the battery when the vehicle is off as to prevent battery drain from
 1 battery trying to charge the other.
 I am going to try and seal off all the connections as well as possible and
 the batteries are drycells so water cant hurt them but I was worried about
 the battery terminals themselves.  Couldn't it short it out if the whole
 area gets wet enough?
 Chris Scotti
 CW Computer Services
 Cscotti@cwcomp.com
 www.cwcomp.com
 1995 Green 4Runner SR5 Soft-Top w/4"susp/2"body lift, 33"M/T's, ARB Rear &
 EZ-Locker Front, Bobbed 6", XD9000I Hitch-Mounted Winch, Custom Bumpers and
 Nerf Bars/Air Tanks, Lots of Lights & Techno Gadgets (Stereo, GPS, etc?),
 (Some mods in Progress)
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 Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 15:52:11 -0500
 From: Brian Rau  Subject: Watery sound - A/C?
 My '91 V6 4Runner has developed at 120K a condition where I will
 occasionally hear what sounds like water running around somewhere behind
 the dashboard on the passenger side.  I understand lots of the A/C plumbing
 is in this area behind the glove box.  Any suggestions what might cause
 this, and what might fix it?  Or is this "non-user-servicable" due to the
 refrigerant issues?  It is particularly apparent when starting, stopping,
 or cornering suddenly.
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 Brian D. Rau, Hardware Engineer    Voice:  (513) 831-2340 x7624
 CTC-Parker Automation              FAX:    (513) 831-5042
 50 W. Technecenter Dr.             e-mail: brau@ctcusa.com
 Milford, OH  45150  USA            Web Page: www.ctcusa.com
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 Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 15:11:22 -0600
 From: "Scott Tate"  Subject: Re: Watery sound - A/C?
 I;d dare say someone put their foot too far up under the
 dash and knocked the a/c condensation hose from its
 location..
 Cheers,
 Scott Tate                             Sterling McCall Toyota
 713-270-3900 ext.3512        9400 S.W. Freeway
 800-231-1440 nat.                Houston, Tx. 77074
 800-392-3341 Tx.                 Fax 713-270-3942
 LXFJ_Consigliari@email.msn.com
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 From: Brian Rau  To: Toy4x4@tlca.org  Date: Tuesday, February 23, 1999 2:56 PM
 Subject: Watery sound - A/C?>My '91 V6 4Runner has developed at 120K a condition where I will>occasionally hear what sounds like water running around somewhere behind>the dashboard on the passenger side.  I understand lots of the A/C plumbing>is in this area behind the glove box.  Any suggestions what might cause>this, and what might fix it?  Or is this "non-user-servicable" due to the>refrigerant issues?  It is particularly apparent when starting, stopping,>or cornering suddenly.>>>===============================================================>Brian D. Rau, Hardware Engineer    Voice:  (513) 831-2340 x7624>CTC-Parker Automation              FAX:    (513) 831-5042>50 W. Technecenter Dr.             e-mail: brau@ctcusa.com>Milford, OH  45150  USA            Web Page: www.ctcusa.com>>>===========================================================================
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 Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 13:19:04 -0800 (PST)
 From: Jimmy Tom  Subject: Re: Rear Springs
 On Tue, 23 Feb 1999, Lisa Stricklin wrote:> I`m looking for a place to buy new rear springs. I checked the dealer> they wanted almost $1000.00 just for the parts. I`m looking at the> Skyjacker 4" lift softride springs. Does anyone have these or something> better?
 Flaming Frijoles!!  $1000 big ones for STOCK springs?  For half that much
 you can get a set of National springs that ride WAAAAYYYY smooth over the
 rough stuff going fast or slow, are custom made for what YOU want to carry
 and how high you want to lift it, don't squeak, and don't sag for $500
 smackers!! Call Jeff over at Deaver Spring: 714-5423703
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 Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 14:29:20 -0700
 From: "David Booth"  Subject: "New" Member
 Hello,
 I was a member a several months ago, but cancelled it when I cancelled my Internet Service.  Anyway, for better or worse--I'm back.
 Name:  Dave Booth
 City & State:  West Jordan, Utah
 Country:  US
 E-mail:  davidfb@eni.com
 Toyota (s) year & model: 1989 V6 5 Speed 4Runner
 Are you a TLCA Member (Y/N/Number?):  No
 Age:  34
 Occupation:  Environmental Engineer (not to be confused with a tree hugger)
 Marital Status: Married with 2 kids (ages 3 and 1)
 Hobbies:  Tinkering with my 4Runner and then using it, ghost town exploring, camping, hiking, photography, woodworking, and so on.
 How did you find out about the Toyota 4x4 Mailing List:  Previous member.
 General info about your vehicle, self, etc.:  Forgive me for being too detailed--but I love my 4x4.
 1989 V6 5-speed 4Runner;  4.88 gears, ARB in rear (with tire inflate kit), True Trac in front, 32x11.50 Sport Kings (not happy with traction on slick rock) on ARE 15x8 black spoke wheels,
 2-1/2" Alcan springs with NWOR greasable shackles, 25mm torsion bars with 1" cranked in and low profile bump stops, Doetsch Tech Prerunner shocks, Persson's sway bar quick disconnects, Downey's IFS truss, stainless steel brake lines, custom front and rear bumpers, K&N filter in stock box, performance spark plug wires and coil, tinted windows, CB, CD with Amp & 6 speakers, roof rack (for canoe, bikes, or other gear), and a bunch of interior (comfort) improvements.
 For now, additional modifications/improvements are on hold until we decide whether or not we'll keep it or sell it and get a FJ60 or 62 (and start again).
 Happy wheeling,  Dave
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 Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 15:21:17 -0600
 From: Robert Canon  Subject: A/C condensation on drivers side of Tacoma?
 Lately when I run my air conditioner (ahhh, these brutal Texas winters!)
 the drivers side carpet gets damp.  I think that the A/C condenser drain
 hose is on the passenger side, so from where is this likely to be originating?
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 Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 13:43:16 -0800
 From: Chris Geiger  Subject: Re: Body work> I have got a 88' xtra cab that I use to show and years ago I had a targa> top (A partial covertible top)  put into it. Now I want to start> wheeling it and know this could be a problem, plus it leaks really bad> in the rain. My question is how tuff is it to weld a top back on it and> what kind of problems will I face, if any??
 After a tree fell on my 4Runner I took it to a body shop and they said
 they could fix it like new. They ordered a new roof from Toyota. It was
 cheep at $300. They also ordered a few other little parts like glass and
 internal supports. The total cost came to $8500 to repair the roof. The
 work they did was great.
 Thinking back that would have been a great time to bob the rear end!
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 Chris Geiger 93 4Runner http://128.111.151.211/offroad
 Off-Road.Com Toyota section editor, Album page editor
 Marlin case #103, 35" BFG tires, Solid Axle Conversion
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 Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 16:49:38 EST
 From: FPenick1@aol.com
 Subject: Tacoma hub rattle
 I posted this for a friend a few days ago but didn't get any response so I am
 gonna try it again.  Any help is appreciated.  Thanks alot!
 Frank>I was hoping that someone might be able to help with a few tech questions on
 my 95 Toyota Tacoma 4x4. I have been getiing a slight "rattle" from my front
 axle when my hubs are "FREE", however, it doesn't happen when the hubs are
 "LOCKED". It happens when I hit bumps in the road. Second question: I'm
 getting a vibration when I turn the steering whell at slow speeds (5mph--like
 when I'm parking the truck etc..)
 It seems worse when I have alot of load on the elec. system, (lights on stereo
 on etc...) Any help would be great!!!! Thanks  Spidee 95 Toyota Tacoma 2.7L,
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 Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 16:27:38 -0600 (CST)
 From: Brian Wiencek  Subject: Re: Watery sound - A/C?> My '91 V6 4Runner has developed at 120K a condition where I will> occasionally hear what sounds like water running around somewhere behind> the dashboard on the passenger side.  I understand lots of the A/C plumbing> is in this area behind the glove box.  Any suggestions what might cause> this, and what might fix it?  Or is this "non-user-servicable" due to the> refrigerant issues?  It is particularly apparent when starting, stopping,> or cornering suddenly.
 This really sounds a lot like either :
 1) water accumulated in the bottom of the heater box (plugged drain line)
 2) Heater core is airating or there is  air trapped inside the core
 causing the 'bubbling' sound - you might check for a loss of coolant (head
 gasket problem) - there may be a slight external leak or an internal leak
 (check the oil dipstick and oil filler cap for condensation)  If it's
 leaking take it in and have the dealer do the head gasket service.
 - - Brian
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 Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 16:35:11 -0600 (CST)
 From: Brian Wiencek  Subject: RE: Waterproofing My 4Runner - Battery> I am going to try and seal off all the connections as well as possible and> the batteries are drycells so water cant hurt them but I was worried about> the battery terminals themselves.  Couldn't it short it out if the whole> area gets wet enough?
 Well, look at the distance of the terminals and the conductivity of water
 - - Water isn't a great conductor of electricity by itself - contaminated
 water actually conducts water better (saltwater)  I doubt that you could
 pass enough current across clean water to create enough of a short to kill
 the battery - the terminals are about 8-10" apart and in order to draw say
 500 Amps from the battery (a short effectively) you would need a
 resistance somewhere around .026 ohms - never going to happen.. most
 likely there would be a resistance in the hunderds of ohms and you would
 get a small current draw - even at 100 ohms it's only less than 8 amps
 of current - I'd look at waterproofing where the +- connections are real
 close to each other...  Keep the terminals well lubed to repel water and
 corrosion and you shouldn't have a problem with your battery.  I'd pay a
 lot more attention to all the little connectors underhood and make sure to
 apply a generous amount of diaelectric grease at frequent intervals (esp.
 after power washing the engine) to keep the terminals from corroding and
 causing a high resistance.
 - - Brian
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 Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 17:17:09 -0600 (CST)
 From: davekimm@webtv.net (david meador)
 Subject: Re: Submarinning
 On my 85 4Runner I moved the ECU from the kick panel to the glove box
 after I toasted one.
 Seven inches of water inside the truck will do that. You will need to
 extend some of the wires but it's worth it.
 Dave Meador
 TLCA #8455
 85 & 95 4Runner
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 Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 18:32:08 EST
 From: DRM033@aol.com
 Subject: Swap delay & trail report
 I have decided to delay my solid axle swap for a few weeks.  This was I have
 the whole week of Spring Break to work on it and don't have to fight for a
 ride to work & school.  I guess it is better, it gives me a few more days to
 gather parts.
 Things I already have:
 - -homemade front springs
 - - 81 front axle
 - - 4.88 gears
 - - All Pro crossover kit
 - - Stainless extended brake lines
 - - 13.5" travel shocks should be here Friday
 I still have to clean the axle housing of years of grime, and I need to order
 a steering stabilizer (any suggestions?).  I also need to order an EZ locker
 for the diff.
 A quick trip to the welding shop & I will have the steel for the shackles.
 Anyways, I hit the trail last weekend with the thoughts that it would be my
 last IFS ride, but I find it hard to believe I can go 3 weeks without hitting
 the trail - we shall see :) Feel free to take a look at some pics & a trail
 report on my page.
 David
 DRM033@aol.com
 http://www.tennessee4x4.com/toyota
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 Date: 23 Feb 1999 14:35:42 -0800
 From: Robert Elsemore  Subject: re: 90's Land Cruiser gas mileage?
 John Skaggs wrote:>Anyone have an idea what a 90's landcruiser gets for mpg?
 I have a 92 FJ80 that gets 12 MPG in the hills/mountains and
 about 14 MPG on the flat land.
 The 91 and 92 80's have a smaller engine than the 93-97
 80's.  I have to keep my foot into the throttle pretty
 hard to keep my 80 moving along.  I would guess that the
 newer, more powerful 80's would get better mileage since they
 wouldn't have to be driven so hard.  The 93-97 80's also
 have 24 valves (instead of 12), 7 main bearings (instead of
 4), a different transfer case (with viscous coupling) and
 an available option for full floating rear axles and
 locking diffs front and rear.  The newer 80's are referred
 to as FZJ80's.
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 Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 18:35:12 -0500
 From: "Nanci & Charlie"  Subject: Header Gasket Replacement
 Blew a gasket this pm (yes,yes it's a Downey)
 understand that this is not an uncommon problem.
 Wondering from others that have done in this situation
 Not sure if this has been covered before,
 least not since I've been here.
 Is there a special brand or reinforced gasket
 (Fel-pro type) that I should get?
 Thanks for your time
 Beantown Charlie
 NANCHAR@NII.NET
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 Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 19:01:13 -0500
 From: Paul Freer  Subject: Marfield, Birfield and other options?
 I've been hearing lately that toyota straight axles break the Birfield
 joints in the front under severe torque.  I was thinking of going to a
 straight axle and I've got the axle off an 83 pu.  I am wondering if you
 guys could tell me if you've broke one (marfield, birfield)???  The
 other day I was reading 4X4 power and read an article on the Warn
 Birfield eliminator kit.  Which basically emulates the chevy drive train
 dana axles.  If you have installed one of these conversion kits let me
 know the pro's cons and otherwise.  I'm running about 300 horse and I
 havent had any problems with my IFS!!! yes IFS.  What I don't want to do
 is go to a straight axle for articulation and start breaking s#@t. Your
 response is appreciated.
 P.S.- I know the Marfields are pretty expensive I'm looking for cost
 justification on this mod so if you could let me know what you paid I'd
 appreciate it.
 350Cui
 350TH
 IFS-conversion in process
 35" Mickeys on Alcoas
 Loads of Whorse power! :)
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 Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 16:02:11 -0800 (PST)
 From: Adriano Feit  Subject: Re: Bad Idle & Gas mileage
 Hey Aaron can't help you with how to solve it because I got the same
 problem.  My engine (87 4runner 22re) will idle up to 1500-2000 rpm when
 it is not in gear or the clutch is engaged. I messed with the adjusting
 screw the throttle cable and spring mechanisms but notnin' helps.
 Your computer diagnostic codes are 5 and 11 heres what the toyota 87
 4runner repair manual has to say.
 5 -   Oxygen Sensor signal -
 " If you haven't changed your O2 sensor in a while you will probably
 should, that could be contributing to bad gas mileage. NWOR and other auto
 parts stores have a U.S. made ones for around $45
 better than toyotas $130 price. I changed mine at 100k I've heard there
 supposed to be replaced every 45k or so.  The improvement in power and
 engine sound was very noticeable."
 11 -   Switch signal.
 Diagnosis - Neutral start switch ON (22re) or IDL point in the throttle
 position sensor is OFF during diagnostic check.
 Trouble area -  1. Throttle position sensor circuit  2. Throttle position
 sensor  3.  Neutral start switch (22re)   4. ECU
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 Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 16:58:55 -0700
 From: "Charles Johnson"  Subject: Racing tire pressure.
 I have a stock '91 4x4 extra-cab 3.0 pick up.  I'm running 31x10.5R15 BFG
 All-Terrain's.  I race my truck over a lot of the Arizona dirt roads.  My
 speed varies from 35 mph to approximately 95 mph.  I believe the highway
 driving pressure is 31 psi?  Is that right?  Please correct me on that if
 I'm wrong.  My main question is what pressure should I be using when racing
 on the dirt roads?  I'm guessing that it should be closer to the highway
 pressure than the lower pressures used for rock scrambling type activities.
 I always race, never rock scramble.  If any one can provide some insight on
 the subject, that would be great.  If anyone could shed some light on an
 exact number, that'd be much appreciated as well!  Thanks a lot!
 Charles Johnson
 johnsonc@pr.erau.edu
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 Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 17:08:42 -0700
 From: "Packrat"  Subject: Re: ARB locker leaking
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 From: Meres & Kellee  Subject: ARB locker leaking>Hi All>well my problem is that my front ARB seem to be leaking from some place.>I've leak tested all the air lines run to and from the front locker(soapy>water). the rear seems to be fine but as soon as I turn the front locker on>the air compressor will cycle on and off every two min. Will the ARB leak>from the inside? Please Toyota god help.>thanks for all the help past and future>Meres
 Yes, they can leak. If it is, the leaking air will be coming out of the
 differential vent. Happened to me when the backlasher adjuster lock came
 loose, my backlash was .25" (1/4") instead of .009". The excess play and
 movement wore out the O-rings. Reset the gears (Richmond 4.56), changed the
 O-rings, and everything was fine. Tough gears!
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 Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 16:25:47 -0800
 From: "Bob"  Subject: Re: Waterproofing My 4Runner> 1.	K&N Filter Charger that is fully encloseable with a through hood> snorkel.
 This could be done with a cutout on the hood so that it doesn't move with the
 hood, but no matter where you stick it in the hood, it will probably get in the
 way of seeing where you're driving.> 3.	Mount Amps, Compressor, and tools in sealable, lockable  drop trunk in bed.  This will> have  pseudo snorkels with fans for air flow that lead into the space> inside the body skin above each wheel well.
 Or just mount the amp higher up in the cab, like up near the roof.  You'd have
 to make sure that none of the headliner is right above it or it would melt.> 4.	Seal all holes in floor> board - I am using a spray in bedliner and I am hoping that will work
 I was always under the impression that holes weren't bad.  One, it lets the
 water drain back out and two you don't become too buoyant and get a better
 grip on the bottom.> Concerns I still have:> 4.	Seats - Has anyone found a way to seal seats and still make em comfortable?
 Someone else mentioned this, but the neoprene seat covers are made by
 Wet Okole.  They come in a multitude of colour combos.
 Laters,
 Bob
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