Toyota 4x4 digest:    Wednesday, February 17 1999    Volume 02 : Number 247
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 Mojave Trip
 Re: List Stickers Vote!
 Cheap mud flaps
 RE: Car alarm in 4runner
 Re: List Stickers Vote!
 Re: List Stickers Vote!
 RE: Car alarm in 4runner
 Re: Toyota 4x4 digest: V2 #245
 Re: Front suspension droop, retry
 RE: Solid Axel Swap
 Solid Axel Swap
 Re: Car alarm in 4runner
 14"Travel,Sorry i miss typed ATS #
 Re: Car alarm in 4runner
 List Stickers Vote; SOLID AXLE
 RE: Car alarm in 4runner (long)
 New England Off-Roading Club
 Re: Clearcoat
 RE: Re:Clearcoat
 rear spring Q
 Re: 14"Travel,Sorry i miss typed ATS #
 Re: 1986 22re harmonic balancer
 Sticker
 re; rear flex apeal study
 Re: List Stickers Vote
 Gears....
 Coil Wire/Car Alarm
 Rim Bolt Pattern
 Re: Rim Bolt Pattern
 Jay's Toyota 4WD Web Page........updated
 Re: List Stickers Vote!
 Re: Mojave Trip
 Re: Coil Wire/Car Alarm
 Re: Mojave Trip
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 Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 22:44:22 -0800
 From: "Michael Medart"  Subject: Mojave Trip
 Hey'all. We're (the unwashed fellow Toyota drivers) are planning a day trip
 to the Mojave Desert on Saturday, February 27th, and your'all invited to
 partake.
 We'll be at the McDonald's in Mojave (the city of...go to
 http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py and type in Mojave, CA to find out where
 exactly it is) at about 9:30 am. CB channel 27.
 The trails there are as hard or as easy as you'd like to make them, as
 there's by-passes for literally all the really hard sections. BUT, 4wd is
 needed (so no two-wheel drives, please). Stock vehicles WILL make it, but
 "built"-owners will enjoy the run too. Make sure you have at least one
 attachment point in the front and the back of your vehicle (be it a tow
 hook or receiver hitch), in case you have to be pulled up or off of
 something. Bring a camera too, as this area of the desert is very scenic.
 Any questions? Email me at  bigblue@anacapa.net  .
 \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
 Michael Medart, Ventura, CA  bigblue@anacapa.net 1988 Toyota 4x4
 X-TraCab V-6, Rancho Front/Downey rear  3"  lift, 2"  body lift, 4.88's
 Borla Cat-Back,  33" BFG M/T's on American Racing 15x8 Steel Rims
 Detroit E-Z Locker and rear ARB Air  Locker,  Downey  Super  Clutch
 Rancho  RS 9000's w/remote,  Con-Ferr shackles/skidplates/roof rack
 custom 10 gauge 3" tube rocker panel inserts, 162K trouble-free miles
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 Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 01:52:56 EST
 From: DRM033@aol.com
 Subject: Re: List Stickers Vote!
 SOLID.
 (it sure is late)
 David
 DRM033@aol.com
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 Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 23:09:20 -0800
 From: "Persson Off-Road Systems (Drew Persson)"  Subject: Cheap mud flaps
 Haven't tried it yet (my 35's are begging for tickets too), but a
 colorful "good 'ole boy" I know bought a single slightly-used 18 wheeler mud
 flap and cut it in half with a table saw.  Says it's the perfect length and
 width now for each of the tires on his rolling-junkyard "mud bomber", and
 didn't cost much. (Don't know if he retained the chrome lady or not, it
 would have been appropriate!)
 Drew
 http://www.jps.net/persson/drewsrig.htm
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 Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 08:45:04 +0200
 From: =?ISO-8859-8?Q?=F8=E5=F0=E9_=EE=F0=E3=EC=E1=E0=E5=ED_-_Roni_Mande?= =?ISO-8859-8?Q?lbaun?=  Subject: RE: Car alarm in 4runner
 Trust
 You wrote:
>>>>> Darren Sinkey//SeaBass!
 82 l/b 22r,7"@33"s
 Oroville,Ca.?????where?
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 Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 23:21:59 -0800
 From: Jim Brink  Subject: Re: List Stickers Vote!
 Chris Geiger wrote:
 The only> difference is the solid would have all 4 wheels on the ground.
 Cheap shot, Chris  :-)
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 Jim Brink, Manhattan Beach, CA                   toytech@off-road.com
 Toyota/ASE Certified Technician      http://www.off-road.com/~toytech/
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 1986 Std. Bed 4WD  -   TLCA  -  Friends of the Mojave Road  -  CA4WDC
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 Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 00:20:14 -0700
 From: Jeff Zicko  Subject: RE: Car alarm in 4runner
 Hi Guys,
 I was catching up on my digest when I saw this so i thought I would
 give my 2 cents.  I noticed someone mentioned the lo-jac system. I work
 for ADT security and we have the carcop system there.  I can tell you
 lo-jac you wont find inside the car because they place it inside the
 frame rail.  With our system carcop I know it is inside the vehicle and
 uses GPS for the tracking.  It not only can be set to go off at the
 opening of a door but can be set if the car moves a certain speed or
 travel over  a certain radius.  When you alarm gets set off it will
 silently dial our monitoring station and we will contact the car, the
 owner, and the pd.  I find that these systems work great unless the GPS
 doesn't give you a good fix.  Even then we can contact the car and
 disable the starter or the engine, and if that don't work off goes the
 siren and the flashers and we keep tracking till we get a good location
 then notify proper authorities.  Hope this helped someone.
 Jeff Zicko
 Jzicko@adt.com
 92 Toy 4x4 Extnd cab
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 Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 00:27:16 -0000
 From: "marc e gilbertson"  Subject: Re: Toyota 4x4 digest: V2 #245
 Regarding those mudflaps to cover the 35's, I found re-drilling the factory
 mudflap holes works well enough to
 avoid Johnny Law's wrath.  Mine's second generation, the flaps are held by
 three screws YMMV.
 Also have a question regarding my timing (second try, hope this works).  I
 put in a new top end about 30,000 miles ago.  Ported/ polished LC
 Engineering head for 22RE, with the works on a factory oversized bottom-end
 done a couple months before the head.  When installing had the timing chain
 off a tooth, so it ran like a dog.  Fixed the problem, took it to a toy
 specialty shop to have the TPS adjusted right.  Truck has run well ever
 since. But...
 The timing is advanced 12* to run well.  At factory 5* it won't run.  My
 paranoid brain wonders if all those times I adjust the valves, setting the
 marker to zero, if it's really TDC.  Do I need to take the distributor out?
 Would adjustable cam gear be beneficial?  I am confused and looking to get
 it all dialed in.  It will still light up the 33's
 thanks for any help- Marc
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 Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 00:02:56 -0800
 From: "Shane Simard"  Subject: Re: Front suspension droop, retry
 I can guarentee that we do more than just mud up here in Canada.  There are
 rocks too, along with gravel, dirt, logs, etc..
 Shane
 I think you only do mud in Canada and you don't need tons of
 articulation
 for mud. Actually too much articulation kills mud performance since you
 have to run very soft suspension which will induce wheel hop. You need a
 hard suspension that let you dig deep to the mud.  Mud needs big
 horsepower
 and monster tires, not gearing and articulation.
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 Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 09:09:44 +0200
 From: =?ISO-8859-8?Q?=F8=E5=F0=E9_=EE=F0=E3=EC=E1=E0=E5=ED_-_Roni_Mande?= =?ISO-8859-8?Q?lbaun?=  Subject: RE: Solid Axel Swap
 Wrote:
 Subject: Solid Axel Swap
 Chris Geiger wrote:
<>Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 12:21:01 -0800>From: Chris Geiger >Subject: Re: Solid Axel Swap-Attn: Andrew> I don't think it will ramp 950 on a 20 degree ramp, period.>Mine may be a different setup than you friend but when I put my truck up>on a 20 degree ramp I had the rear tire go up the ramp about 6" before>the right rear tire lifted up. That's well over 1,000.
 I>n other news I installed a new set of 35" BFG's yesterday. That's gives>me a full inch more ground clearance. I hope it's not too tall now :-) I>also plan to install All Pro's new skid plate/crossmember this week.>Anyone have a idea on where to get good mud flaps? I need to cut/make>something to cover these things up a little or I am going to get a>ticket soon.>Chris Geiger 93 4Runner http://128.111.151.211/offroad>Off-Road.Com Toyota section editor, Album page editor>Marlin case #103, 35" BFG tires, All Pro solid axle conversion
 And I ask you Chris: Is it still a Toyota 4 Runner? It looks like you got
 yourself a fine prototype by now! Well, yes I know real 4x4's are build not
 bought......... ;=) p.s - I have noticed you call for the 1999 Rubicon.....
 Ron B. Mandelbaum
 Deputy Spokesperson,
 PR and Media Affairs Manager
 Bezeq - Israel Telecom Corp. Ltd.
 Tel:  +972-3-5613858
 Fax: +972-3-5614287
 1996 Toyota 4Runner V6 (3VZE) Automatic
 4.56 Detroit "No Spin" Rear Soft Locker
 30" Cooper's STT - Custom Rear Bumper
 Rear Window Sticker: www.off-road.com
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 Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 02:05:20 -0800
 From: "Kenneth H. Fong"  Subject: Re: Car alarm in 4runner
 What I've done before is to hook up a relay to the defroster switch to kick over
 and energize the ignition starter only when the defroster is on.  So everytime
 you want the starter to crank, the defroster switch must be on.  After the motor
 starts, turn off the defroster.  You can pretty much use any switch on the dash
 as the "ghost" switch.
 Another suggestion would be to get an on-off-on toggle switch and have the true
 fuel pump wire on one side and on the other, have a fake fuel pump wire that has
 a low enough fuse that will blow shortly after starting.
 "Karl Bellve, Ph.D." wrote:>> Here is what I would do. Use the club, but that will only slow them> down. It might deter some of the kids from taking your truck. Next,> mount a hidden fuel pump cut off switch. Make sure it is really hidden.> Or, you could convert a dash switch to a fuel cutoff switch. Or, even> have two switches inline, so both have to be in the right orientation to> allow the truck to start up.
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 Kenneth H. Fong
 San Francisco State University
 http://mercury.sfsu.edu/~stealth
 415-605-7276
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 Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 03:44:11 -0600
 From: Aaron Drake  Subject: 14"Travel,Sorry i miss typed ATS #
 Sorry y'll in my rush to get to my geology class I miss typed A.T.S.'s
 phone number the proper # is 909-277-2327. I just talked to Jill and my kit
 should be in the mail within a couple days, and what slow going days those
 will be! the actual travel I will be getting is 12 to 13" because they
 recomend running the stock rubber stops, my kit is the same one the run on
 their prerunner and in the past on their race truck. The axles use the same
 joints as stock but have the shaft lengthend a couple of ". On the cool
 side the new cro-moly shaft costs $325 as opposed to Downey and WCOR more
 expensive units and T-100 axles can be used instead, but here in TX T-100
 axles proved to be rare! The ride is supposed to be way better then stock
 esp with bilstiens, i opt for single 10" heim jointed ends because my
 4runner is also the daily driver and does't need the duals (yet). In the
 back i'm doing a mazda/toy spring conv. with Doech tech mv-12.
 A question for everyone out there: What is a good design for a
 traction/anti wheel hop bar that i can fab up? so i don't trash my springs
 Aaron Drake
 87 4runner, bone stock but not for long!
 BTW i am going to do a web page on my build up with detailed inst. and
 photos where do i start and how do i make a page? sorry i spend most of my
 time in the garage and don't know enough about comp. email me of the list
 w/ advice Thanks!
 aaron.drake@mail.utexas.edu
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 Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 02:19:30 -0800
 From: "Kenneth H. Fong"  Subject: Re: Car alarm in 4runner
 I've got an alarm but mainly got it for keyless entry and extra outputs to hook
 up some toys such as remote start.  I like the older VSE sirens because they are
 louder than the usual DEI ones.  A backup battery would be good to have because
 on DEI systems (i.e., Viper, Python, Sidewinder) once the power is pulled to the
 brain, the ignition kill is also disabled.
 I have an on-off toggle output left but can't think of what to hook up to it.
 Maybe the lights.
 A C wrote:> How many out there have alarms in their 4runners?> Is a 4runner a easily stold Truck that I should keep the alarm in my> New/used 4runner?
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 Kenneth H. Fong
 San Francisco State University
 http://mercury.sfsu.edu/~stealth
 415-605-7276
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 Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 05:48:48
 From: andrew  Subject: List Stickers Vote; SOLID AXLE
 Chris,
 I'm in favor of a solid axle this time, there are a lot of the IFS
 stickers out there, I even have it on my truck, and my homepage as a link
 to sign up for the Toy list and Toyota 4x4 webring.  I think it's only fair
 to all of us solid axle guys to make one with a solid front axle too.  I
 believe there was a solid axle sticker already done and ready to print,
 could you repost that sticker to the list?  Thanks
 - -Andrew
 '85 Toy 4x4 p/u
 22R 5 speed
 (pretty much stock)
 Http://www.angelfire.com/nj/85Toyota/index.html
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 Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 11:00:17 +0200
 From: =?ISO-8859-8?Q?=F8=E5=F0=E9_=EE=F0=E3=EC=E1=E0=E5=ED_-_Roni_Mande?= =?ISO-8859-8?Q?lbaun?=  Subject: RE: Car alarm in 4runner (long)
 Chris Scotti wrote:
 Subject: New England Off-Roading Club
 A new and 100% free offroading club in New England.  Check us out at http://www.thenetdesigners.com/offroad.htm
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 Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 06:57:33 -0600
 From: "Brian.Gallus (Exchange)"  Subject: Re: Clearcoat
 Tim Wrote:
 I used regular paste paint remover you can find any where, and it worked
 great to remove the old coat, but living in Minnesota I would like to
 reapply a good quality clearcoat to protect the wheels again.
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 Tim,
 Try Alloy Wheel in Roseville.  I had my polished Weld Racing wheels done
 there a couple of years ago - they actually powder coat the clear coat on.
 Looked good.  Cost $25/wheel.  I just heard from a Tires Plus guy at the
 World of Wheels that Alloy Wheel is now offering an extensive warranty on
 their coating, even on polished wheels, something they didn't offer when I
 had mine done.
 bkg
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 Brian K. Gallus
 DHC Messaging Team
 phone: 612-761-2620
 pager:  612-579-7194
 Brian.Gallus@DHCMail.com
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 Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 08:25:24 -0600
 From: Ryan Beal  Subject: RE: Re:Clearcoat
 Use a marine clear coat
 Ryan S. Beal
 rbeal@rftechnologies.com
 -----Original Message-----
 From:	Tim Brewers [SMTP:tsbrewers@usa.net]
 Sent:	Tuesday, February 16, 1999 8:59 PM
 To:	toy4x4@tlca.org
 Subject:	Re: Re:Clearcoat
 I used regular paste paint remover you can find any where, and
 it worked
 great to remove the old coat, but living in Minnesota I would
 like to
 reapply a good quality clearcoat to protect the wheels again.
 Tim Brewers
 89 V-6
 -----Original Message-----
 From: Adriano Feit  To: toy4x4@tlca.org  Date: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 9:41 AM
 Subject: Re:Clearcoat>>My stock sr5 alloy rims also have the clearcoat peeling off.
 How did you>remove the rest of the clearcoat from your rims? Are you going
 to paint>them? Regular paint?>>Thanks.>>>=======================================================================
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 Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 09:18:56 EST
 From: DRM033@aol.com
 Subject: rear spring Q
 Anyone know what the spring rate is on the stock Toy rear leaf springs?
 thanks!
 David
 DRM033@aol.com
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 Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 07:35:02 -0700 (MST)
 From: Scott Ellinger  Subject: Re: 14"Travel,Sorry i miss typed ATS #> A question for everyone out there: What is a good design for a> traction/anti wheel hop bar that i can fab up? so i don't trash my springs> Check out Jay K's traction bar design (I think it's on his page... Jay?)
 I think it's pretty much the best of both worlds, no wrap, lots of flex.
 Alternately, I've got a decent setup on my truck, easier to make, but not
 quite as wrap-preventing as Jay's.  There's a pic or two on my page.
 Both require welding; are you comfortable with that, or are you seeking
 a drill-and-bolt solution?
 - --scott
 Scott Ellinger   ellinger@holly.colostate.edu   Larimer County 4WD Club
 Visit my Home Page: http://holly.colostate.edu/~ellinger
 '86 Toy pickup body, Ford 5.0, GMC NV4500, "slightly altered" RKSTMPR
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 Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 09:38:23 -0500
 From: Darren Floen  Subject: Re: 1986 22re harmonic balancer
 Use a speedy-sleave to repair your old one.I did, it worked.
 Darren
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 Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 07:34:49 -0700
 From: "EZE_MONEY"  Subject: Sticker
 Chris Geiger wrote:
 So let the voting begin! If you feel strongly one way or the other
 please send me an email. Let me know if you think the list should only
 have the one or if you think we should do another run of stickers with a
 picture of a solid axle truck this time.
 A  new sticker would be cool, Soilds & IFS enjoy the friendly rivalry. I
 have IFS, like IFS, and probably gonna keep it.
 Eric Zite
 1986 SR5 4Runner 185000
 32" BFG MT's and Downey stuff
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 Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 07:11:31 -0800
 From: David Fritzsche  Subject: re; rear flex apeal study
 I had 4" NWOR springs in the back of my truck. Had nothing but problems with
 them. I ran the Rubicon with a 3" piece of log tie-wired to the frame behind
 the shackles to keep them from going flat, the "over-load" leaf kept
 twisting out.  Also they are a very stiff spring, they would "drop" fine but
 did not "compress" well. NWOR did warranty the springs and I got my money
 back. I am now running 4" Skyjacker and have had no problems with them, they
 are pretty "flexy", I bought the "softride version". In order to get a lot
 of "flex" you really need to go with a longer, flatter spring. In other
 words move the front mounts forward and lengthen the spring perches on the
 rear end to help get rid of "axle wrap"
 "Real Wheelers Are Built, Not Bought"
 David Fritzsche, Roseville, CA,  1990 V-6 ex-cab, Pro-Comp II Lift, Rancho
 9000 Shocks, Marlin Gear Change, 4:88 Gears, Tru-Trak Front, ARB rear, 33"
 BFG-MT's, Warn 8000, Custom Rear Bumper, Winch Mount, Re-Worked Smitty-Built
 Nerf Bars, CB Mount, Skid Plates all designed and built by owner .
 otto@inreach.com
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 Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 10:25:05 EST
 From: Iwheel4x4@aol.com
 Subject: Re: List Stickers Vote> I think it's only fair to all of us solid axle guys to make one with a solid
 front axle too.
 Ok, I really don't want this to turn into another big debate on the list, but
 I was just wondering....  If it's only fair to have a separate sticker for
 those with a solid axle, is it also only fair if we have separate stickers for
 4Runners and pick-ups?  And what about Land Cruisers?  IMHO, having separate
 stickers for "IFS and Solid Axle guys" serves to divide the list.  Maybe I'm
 making too big of a deal about it, but it's just my opinion.  If anybody wants
 to flame me for it, please do so in pvt. email.
 Allen Dickenson     IWheel4x4@aol.com
 http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Trails/8895/
 1995 4Runner Limited - "FT KNOX" - Downey 1.5" rear lift springs, t-bars
 cranked, ARB Bull Bar, Rancho RS9000?s front, RS5000?s rear, 31x10.5 BFG
 A/T?s, K&N drop-in, raised diff. breathers, low-profile bumpstops, Smittybilt
 Nerf Bars, Warn Premium hubs, Hella 100W 500's.
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 Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 08:27:51 -0700
 From: "Jay Kopycinski"  Subject: Gears....
 "Richard Sheridan"  wrote:>Thanks in advance for all your input.....I'm looking at regearing, I>have an '85 with 4.88's and I'm going to 5.29's to accommodate bigger>tires.... my Question is about what gear manufacturer to go to the>prices I have are the same for Motive and Precision, the other price>I got was for Genuine Gears which is considerably less.... how are>the quality and strength of the Genuine in comparison to the others I>plan on using it as an off road rig, and not for daily driving, but>I am Hard Core and wheeling in places like the Hammers, Moab,>Woodpecker, so if I choose the genuine gears, will I have the>reliability when combined with ARB's and 36'sand of course my>co-pilot Marlin?
 I have been told by a reliable shop source to steer clear of Motive
 gears.....which are generally the cheapest here.
 I would rank Richmonds on top though they are usually most expensive.
 My shop source told me the Genuine and Precision are both good sets.
 When I did me rear ARB about a year ago I used Genuine gears.
 I know of no one in my circle of wheelin' freinds that has broken any
 Toy gears......though the highest anybody is running is 4.88.
 Jay Kopycinski    '85 Toylet  (ROKTOY)
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 Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 10:29:20 -0500
 From: "Patrick Skelley"  Subject: Coil Wire/Car Alarm>The missing coil wire is not necessarily a sure fire stopper.  I have started>a 4 cylinder engine on 3 cylinders without the proper "coil wire".   I just>pulled one of the spark plug wires off and used it on the coil.>Gnarls.
 This may be true, however, you're going to have to explain to me how to attach a spark plug wire with a big-arse boot on one end to the coil, which has a completely different end (and on my '93, the ends aren't particularly easy to swap).  Second, the thief is going to have to figure out exactly why the car won't start, and then take the time to jury-rig a new coil wire.  Finally, if you're stealing a car, making a getaway on three or five cylinders isn't exactly an appealing prospect.  The coil-wire method is just a quick and dirty "Road Warrior" method.  It's been my experience that (1) really good and determined car thieves can get past ANY alarm system; (2) people ignore alarm sirens, making the deterrence factor rather small; and (3) simple, cheap, hidden, and unexpected seem to be the best anti-theft device.  Did I mention pulling the EFI relay as another method?
 Patrick Skelley
 Bedford, Virginia
 Skelley@flippindensmore.com
 1993 4Runner SR5, 3VZ-E V-6
 Downey headers and 2.5" exhaust (all Jet-Hot coated); K&N replacement element; Downey 26mm torsion bars, 1.5" HD coils, and low-profile bump stops; Warn Premium Locking Hubs; front Bilsteins and rear Doestch-Tech's; Downey SuperClutch and Centerforce Torquer Flywheel; TJM bull bar and custom rear receiver bumper/spare tire carrier; BFG 32x11.50 MT's on Toyota factory 7x15 alloys; extended differential breathers; front swaybar quick-disconnects; custom German Shepherd Dog fur seat covers and window streaking.
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 Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 10:37:25 -0500
 From: Justin  Subject: Rim Bolt Pattern
 Do Toyotas share the rim bolt pattern with any other vehicle.  I have heard
 that maybe ch*vy or j**p.  Thanks.
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 Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 08:43:23 -0700 (MST)
 From: Scott Ellinger  Subject: Re: Rim Bolt Pattern> Do Toyotas share the rim bolt pattern with any other vehicle.  I have heard> that maybe ch*vy or j**p.  Thanks.> Nearly any six-bolt wheel will fit a six-lug Toy (assuming we're talking 4x4
 Toys, not 2WD dually Toys).
 Chevy rims will fit the bolt pattern, but the center hub hole isn't big enough
 on most stock Chevy rims.
 Jeep six-lug (older Wagoneers, Cherokees, etc.) should fit, but might have the
 same center hole problem.
 Nissan six-lug (2WD too) will fit fine, as far as I know.
 Dodge six-lug (Dakota, Durango) will *not* fit; it's a 6-on-4.5 or something
 similar.  Too small.  Irrelevant side note: the pilot's too small too... :)
 - --scott
 Scott Ellinger   ellinger@holly.colostate.edu   Larimer County 4WD Club
 Visit my Home Page: http://holly.colostate.edu/~ellinger
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 Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 08:49:13 -0700
 From: "Jay Kopycinski"  Subject: Jay's Toyota 4WD Web Page........updated
 I've updated my website and added some new info on bobbed beds
 and crossmember designs. Check it out if you like:
 http://www.netzone.com/~jayk
 Jay Kopycinski    '85 Toylet  (ROKTOY)
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 Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 08:01:52 -0800
 From: Brian Rosa  Subject: Re: List Stickers Vote!
 I vote YES on a solid axle sticker.
 Brian
 brosa@ieee.ecs.fullerton.edu
 Chris Geiger wrote:>>> So let the voting begin! If you feel strongly one way or the other> please send me an email. Let me know if you think the list should only> have the one or if you think we should do another run of stickers with a> picture of a solid axle truck this time.>> I will post the results to the list in about 3 days, then we can proceed> with picture selection if needed.> --> Chris Geiger 93 4Runner http://128.111.151.211/offroad> Off-Road.Com Toyota section editor, Album page editor> Marlin case #103, 35" BFG tires, All Pro solid axle conversion>> ============================================================================> Toyota 4x4 page: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota
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 Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 08:05:11 -0800
 From: Brian Rosa  Subject: Re: Mojave Trip
 Hi Mike,
 Count me in, I have a blue '85 truck.  I was at the snow run last
 month, I'm the one with the dent in the passenger door.
 Brian
 brosa@ieee.ecs.fullerton.edu
 Michael Medart wrote:>> Hey'all. We're (the unwashed fellow Toyota drivers) are planning a day trip> to the Mojave Desert on Saturday, February 27th, and your'all invited to> partake.>> We'll be at the McDonald's in Mojave (the city of...go to> http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py and type in Mojave, CA to find out where> exactly it is) at about 9:30 am. CB channel 27.>> The trails there are as hard or as easy as you'd like to make them, as> there's by-passes for literally all the really hard sections. BUT, 4wd is> needed (so no two-wheel drives, please). Stock vehicles WILL make it, but> "built"-owners will enjoy the run too. Make sure you have at least one> attachment point in the front and the back of your vehicle (be it a tow> hook or receiver hitch), in case you have to be pulled up or off of> something. Bring a camera too, as this area of the desert is very scenic.>> Any questions? Email me at  bigblue@anacapa.net  .>> \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\> Michael Medart, Ventura, CA  bigblue@anacapa.net 1988 Toyota 4x4> X-TraCab V-6, Rancho Front/Downey rear  3"  lift, 2"  body lift, 4.88's> Borla Cat-Back,  33" BFG M/T's on American Racing 15x8 Steel Rims> Detroit E-Z Locker and rear ARB Air  Locker,  Downey  Super  Clutch> Rancho  RS 9000's w/remote,  Con-Ferr shackles/skidplates/roof rack> custom 10 gauge 3" tube rocker panel inserts, 162K trouble-free miles> /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////>> ============================================================================> Toyota 4x4 page: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota
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 Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 09:11:18 -0700 (MST)
 From: Scott Ellinger  Subject: Re: Coil Wire/Car Alarm>>The missing coil wire is not necessarily a sure fire stopper.  I have started>>a 4 cylinder engine on 3 cylinders without the proper "coil wire".   I just>>pulled one of the spark plug wires off and used it on the coil.
 Someone added a few thoughts about thives getting past alarms, people not
 caring about sirens any more, etc....
 I've seen a few good methods of stopping thieves, but if someone wants your
 truck bad enough, they'll show up with a winch-equipped flatbed trailer
 (or a rolloff wrecker) and take it anyway.
 Although this doesn't work in a whole lot of countries, the only true
 method of stopping thieves is what an old locksmith told me one day,
 after asking if I wanted something to stop a thief, or him, from getting
 at my stuff.
 "The only way to protect it for sure is to stand over it with a Smith
 & Wesson."
 Even that doesn't work against an armed thief.
 Some of the better methods I've seen include:
 Dual fuel tanks, one's missing.
 Electric fuel pump, separate shutoff switch.
 Separate shutoff for ignition wire to coil.
 Removing necessary parts (like the coil wire)
 But back to the topic of what some thieves will do... I happen to (lucky
 me) work with a couple of past criminals (night work, in a warehouse;
 the boss has pretty low standards) and one guy told me tales of stealing
 Saleen Mustangs...
 They had a second steering column, complete from the wheel to the rack,
 and they'd get into the car, swap their column for the one in the car,
 and drive off.  Once they got it home, they'd drill the lock out of the
 original, put new locks in the car, and sell it.
 The Club?  Didn't matter.
 Those column cuff things?  No problem.
 Steering interlock?  Yeah, right.
 Transmission interlock?  Not any more.
 Computer interlock?  Nope, it's even got the "right" key.
 This column swap trick was apparently a whopping five minutes worth of
 work on a slow day, for two guys working together.
 And Toyota trucks?  Some of the easiest ignition locks to defeat in the
 country, he says.  So why steal Mustangs?  Easier to unload than a Toy.
 Keep in mind that if a thief really wants to swipe your truck, he'll
 hang out and watch what you do (so he can undo it) as you're parking
 it.  Even if it means he has to leave and come back, that's not a big
 deal.
 So, in all this doom and gloom, how do you protect your Toy from a
 thief?  Park next to something with a higher value, and/or that's
 easier to steal.  Pickup?  Put it next to a newer SUV; they're all
 over anyway.  4Runner?  A sports car should take the relative
 attractiveness right off of it.  Land Crusher?  Man... as easy to
 steal as a pickup, but easier to sell, worth more, and probably
 insured to the point that after a week, nobody's going to even look
 for it any more... better find something like a 'Vette or a Hummer
 to park next to, and you're still running a huge risk.
 - --scott
 Scott Ellinger   ellinger@holly.colostate.edu   Larimer County 4WD Club
 Visit my Home Page: http://holly.colostate.edu/~ellinger
 '86 Toy pickup body, Ford 5.0, GMC NV4500, "slightly altered" RKSTMPR
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 Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 08:14:01 -0800
 From: Brian Rosa  Subject: Re: Mojave Trip
 Doh!  This was not ment for the list....
 Brian Rosa wrote:>> Hi Mike,>> Count me in, I have a blue '85 truck.  I was at the snow run last> month, I'm the one with the dent in the passenger door.>> Brian> brosa@ieee.ecs.fullerton.edu>> Michael Medart wrote:>>>> Hey'all. We're (the unwashed fellow Toyota drivers) are planning a day trip>> to the Mojave Desert on Saturday, February 27th, and your'all invited to>> partake.>>>> We'll be at the McDonald's in Mojave (the city of...go to>> http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py and type in Mojave, CA to find out where>> exactly it is) at about 9:30 am. CB channel 27.>>>> The trails there are as hard or as easy as you'd like to make them, as>> there's by-passes for literally all the really hard sections. BUT, 4wd is>> needed (so no two-wheel drives, please). Stock vehicles WILL make it, but>> "built"-owners will enjoy the run too. Make sure you have at least one>> attachment point in the front and the back of your vehicle (be it a tow>> hook or receiver hitch), in case you have to be pulled up or off of>> something. Bring a camera too, as this area of the desert is very scenic.>>>> Any questions? Email me at  bigblue@anacapa.net  .>>>> \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\>> Michael Medart, Ventura, CA  bigblue@anacapa.net 1988 Toyota 4x4>> X-TraCab V-6, Rancho Front/Downey rear  3"  lift, 2"  body lift, 4.88's>> Borla Cat-Back,  33" BFG M/T's on American Racing 15x8 Steel Rims>> Detroit E-Z Locker and rear ARB Air  Locker,  Downey  Super  Clutch>> Rancho  RS 9000's w/remote,  Con-Ferr shackles/skidplates/roof rack>> custom 10 gauge 3" tube rocker panel inserts, 162K trouble-free miles>> /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////>>>> ============================================================================>> Toyota 4x4 page: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota>> ============================================================================> Toyota 4x4 page: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota
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