Toyota 4x4 digest:     Tuesday, February 16 1999     Volume 02 : Number 245
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 Re: Front suspension droop, retry
 Rear Disc Brakes for 85' -Q!
 ATS Web Site (14" Travel Kits)
 Can't decide.
 Re: Can't decide.
 Re: Car alarm in 4runner
 Re: Can't decide.
 RE: Another Taco question
 Front suspension droop, retry
 RE: Car alarm in 4runner
 Re: Front suspension droop, retry
 Re: Solid Axel Swap-Attn: Andrew
 Re: Solid Axel Swap-Attn: Andrew
 Mail list Bio
 Re: Solid Axel Swap-Attn: Andrew
 1986 22re harmonic balancer
 Re: Toyota factory CD player For Sale
 Re: Front suspension droop, retry
 Re: Solid Axel Swap-Attn: Andrew
 Re: Front suspension droop, retry
 Re: Front suspension droop, retry
 Re: Solid Axel Swap-Attn: Andrew
 Re: front suspension droop
 Re: Alarm in 4Runner
 Re: Car alarm in 4runner
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 RE: Solid Axel Swap-Attn: Andrew
 Re: alarm in 4runner
 RE: Car alarm in 4runner
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 RE: Car alarm in 4runner
 pictures of '85 4 runner 4 sale
 Door locks not working
 Re: Door locks not working
 Re: Solid Axel Swap-Attn: Andrew
 Re: Front suspension droop, retry
 Right front driveshaft locked
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 Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 09:33:40 -0800 (PST)
 From: Adriano Feit  Subject: Re:Clearcoat
 My stock sr5 alloy rims also have the clearcoat peeling off.  How did you
 remove the rest of the clearcoat from your rims? Are you going to paint
 them? Regular paint?
 Thanks.
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 Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 09:38:07 -0800
 From: Chris Geiger  Subject: Re: Front suspension droop, retry>     I asked a question last week and never got an answer. I'm sure I'm not> the only one that off-roads his truck seriously, so I'm sure someone out> there has the answer.
 Buggy springs and shackle reversal are not needed on solid axle toys.
 Using 1" longer shackles, Alcan springs, crossover steering and Rancho
 9012 shocks I can get over 20" of front travel. I have seen a similar
 setup with over 24" of travel. You don't need buggy springs to get lots
 of travel.
 Why bother with a shackle reversal? That's for Jeeps, Land Cruisers and
 Sammys that all have the shackle up front from the factory. Toy pickups
 already have the shackle in the rear so a shackle reversal is a step
 backward.
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 Off-Road.Com Toyota section editor, Album page editor
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 Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 09:48:31 -0800
 From: Chris.Vallow@wj.com (Chris Vallow)
 Subject: Rear Disc Brakes for 85' -Q!
 Hello List!
 I have been ponderering the idea of Disc brakes for the rear of my 85'
 x-cab. I'm tired of not having any brakes when I go wheeling after
 playing in the mud. I usually do all my serious wheeln' first before I
 dare to enter the pit.
 My questions are:
 1) Is there a kit? and if not, is there some type of conversion from
 another source?
 2) I know a few people on the list doing the conversion from
 fabrication of there own. I could use some helpfull hints and
 shared ideas to be able to do the conversion on my rig.
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 I am also looking for a Warn 8274 that has been parted out. I need
 some of the  old parts to rebuild mine. Or I will have to turn to Warn
 for an upgrade kit for mine. Please let me know if anyone wnats to
 part with an older model.
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 I am on Digest mode, so you may reply to me directly. To:
 Chris.Vallow@wj.com.
 Thanks,
 Chris
 85' x-cab
 Smitty Double/Double
 35"BFG's
 4" pro-comp Suspension lift
 "Locked and Loaded"
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 Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 10:30:21 -0800 (PST)
 From: Jimmy Tom  Subject: ATS Web Site (14" Travel Kits)
 I finally found it!!  It's not much, but it does include some nice shots
 of Ivan and Robby on there.  Nothing about the 14" Travel kit either.
 Here it is:
 http://members.aol.com/advtoysusp/
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 Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 10:33:11 -0800
 From: Aaron Price  Subject: Can't decide.
 I have a 94 Toy PU and I can't decicede whether or not i want a
 toolbox, rollbars, or a canopy in the back.  I like the idea of a toolbox,
 obviuously to put my tools and spare parts in when i 4-wheel.  But the
 rollbars will save my life and look good too!  The reason i want a canopy is
 because i usually camp when i 4-wheel, and i think it would be great to
 climb into the back rather than having to screw around with a tent.  I was
 hoping by writing this to get anyones opinion on the subject.  Thanks.
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 Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 13:47:23 -0500
 From: Darren Floen  Subject: Re: Can't decide.
 Go with a toolbox.A rollbar(bed bar)won save you if your truck breaks,
 and you left your tools and spare parts at home, cuz you had no place to
 put them.Those bed mounted bars might help you a bit in a rollover,but
 an in cab cage would be far better.
 A canopy is nice, but the make you more top heavy and the reduce
 visibility.
 Find a bar that will work with a toolbox.Some of the single lid units
 will work with a bar.I've seen it done.
 Darren
 Aaron Price wrote:>>         I have a 94 Toy PU and I can't decicede whether or not i want a> toolbox, rollbars, or a canopy in the back.  I like the idea of a toolbox,> obviuously to put my tools and sp
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 Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 13:52:25 -0500
 From: Rafael Pondoc  Subject: Re: Car alarm in 4runner
 A car's audible alarm is basically a cry for help. It is your truck calling out
 to you, specifically as the owner, to do something and stop the bad guys from
 doing their dastardly deed. Yes it may attract other peoples attention, but
 those other people are not obligated in any way to intervene. I have seen many
 times car alarms going off in parking lots but nobody responds.
 Therefore one solution to the problem is purchasing an alarm system that has a
 wireless paging option, like the Viper system.
 One night 4 years ago I had to park my Cherokee a good distance from my
 apartment because of a social event in one of the units. Their guests took most
 of the parking spaces. At about 11:30 PM, I was awakened from a deep slumber by
 my pager. I could not hear the alarm siren from my vehicle unless I open my
 apartment window and strain my ears. Upon hearing it, I quickly put on some
 clothes, took my CCW Glock 26, and 2 extra 10 round magazines and proceeded to
 walk the distance to my car. As I approached my car, there was this guy walking
 in from the road to the apartment complex entrance. I kept my distance and
 assessed the situation. He then claimed that he saw two guys running away after
 they broke my passenger side window and he gave chase towards the road. Yeah
 right! He then went inside his car which was parked right next to mine and sped
 away. I then proceeded to inspect my jeep and called 911.
 If it hadnt been for my pager, that bad guy would know that nobody will respond
 to the car's alarm. He would probably take his time to defeat the car alarm and
 take my jeep.
 Now with my TRD Xtracab, I not only have the paging option I also have the Warn
 Away feature where in anybody getting too close to my car gets warned by the car
 alarm.
 By the way, when you do come to your truck's rescue you'd better be "equpped"
 and know when to use it. In most states you can not use lethal force to defend
 property.
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 Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 10:51:42 -0800
 From: Chris Geiger  Subject: Re: Can't decide.> I have a 94 Toy PU and I can't decicede whether or not i want a> toolbox, rollbars, or a canopy in the back.
 I think your talking about "light Bars" The 3" tubing bars in the back
 of pickup beds? They are useless in a rollover. They are made from
 exhaust tubing and offer no protection at all. They are just there to
 hold up the lights.
 If you want protection get one of the incab roll bars.
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 Off-Road.Com Toyota section editor, Album page editor
 Marlin case #103, 33" tires, All Pro Solid axle conversion
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 Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 14:11:20 -0500
 From: "Quijada, Rick"  Subject: RE: Another Taco question
 Stan,
 I'm with you about that 3rd door.  I traded in a '96 S-10 4X2 for my
 black truck and I really miss that 3rd door!  It was a really handy thing to
 have.
 Having said that, a couple of things that I don't miss are the
 rattles and what I perceive to be a weaker cab structure in the S-10.  The
 3rd door had a low grade rattle to it; supposedly this is common and usually
 incurable among the S-10's.  In fact, the S-10 rattled more overall than my
 '86 Toyota.  Plus, I figure that any time you make an opening in the cab
 structure larger, you weaken the structure.  It works that way with ships  -
 put a big enough hole in the side and she'll break in half.
 Rick Quijada  TLCA, UFWDA, VA FWDA; USN Ret; Norfolk, VA
 '86 Toyota 4x4 SB, rebuilt 22R, 5-spd, manual hubs, 31x10.50 BFG AT's,
 RS5000s, bed lid - "The White Truck" (1986-  )
 '98 Tacoma 4x4 Xtra Cab, 3.4L, 5-spd, OEM rear locker, 31x10.50 Goodyear
 Wranglers, Bilsteins, nerf bars, drawtite hitch, pinstriping by GW Nat'l
 Forest  - "The Black Truck" (1998-  )
 -----Original Message-----
 From:	Stan Lim [SMTP:slim23@telis.org]
 Sent:	Tuesday, February 16, 1999 2:33 AM
 To:	Toy4x4@tlca.org
 Subject:	Another Taco question
 Does anybody know if Toyota will come out with a Tacoma with a third
 door option like the S-10? I really need this option if I buy
 another
 truck but I do not want to buy anything else but Toyota. I did hear
 that
 the T-100 will come out with 4 doors but that truck is to big for
 me.
 Thanks
 Stan
 88 Toy 4x4 xtra cab
 35" swampers w/ Alcoa 15x10, tilt bed, targa top, header, flowmaster
 4 inch trailmaster up front, custom springs in back, 3 inch body
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 Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 12:17:42 -0700
 From: "Jay Kopycinski"  Subject: Front suspension droop, retry
 "Alexandre Brousseau"  wrote:>I'm getting a solid axle because I want to setup a radical suspension.
 First, it depends on what you mean by radical. Will you drive this truck on the
 road? What type of wheeling do you do? What size lift and tires do you plan
 to end up with? What are you fabrication capabilities....or what do you plan
 to spend to have someone make this setup?>Now, I got buggy springs plans for the rear. As for the front, what is>the best way to get some radical flex? My current idea, feel free to comment>on it or take it apart, is to do a shackle reversal (put the shackle up>front) and install what is refered to as a missink link shackle. Anybody has>done or has any idea what would be involved in doing a shackle reversal on a>Toyota pickup?
 I live in the center of some of the best rock-crawling innovation here in the
 Phoenix area and most everyone I have seen running leaf springs up front
 is running the shackle on the rear.....doesn't make it right.....just an observation.
 I don't know all the effects of the two shackle designs, but I'll throw out a few.
 On compression, a rear shackle setup will move the axle backwards. This is
 our biggest headache in that the tire ends up hitting the fender. However, on
 extension the axle droops and moves forward, preserving approach angle.
 A vehicle with front shackles has the axle move backward under droop. The
 axle also kicks forward under compression which makes the ride over bumps
 worse.
 Rear shackles also require long spline driveshafts, but may be less forgiving
 on
 u-joint angle depending on the particular setup.
 The addition of longer shackles (if done) up front eats up approach angle quickly.
 I may be missing something, but I think you'll find rear shackles are still superior.
 Dunno.....anybody else got ideas?
 Jay Kopycinski    '85 Toylet  (ROKTOY)
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 Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 13:20:37 -0600
 From: cscotti@econophone.com
 Subject: RE: Car alarm in 4runner
 I am thinking about getting a paging alarm for my 4runner.   It is going to
 be a soft top with a pretty hefty system in it so I need something good.
 How much do these systems cost by the way and don't you need a cell phone in
 the car or some way for it to page you?  How does this work?
 Thanks,
 Chris Scotti
 CW Computer Services
 Cscotti@cwcomp.com
 www.cwcomp.com
 1995 Green 4Runner SR5 Soft-Top w/4"susp/2"body lift, 33"M/T's, ARB Rear &
 EZ-Locker Front, Bobbed 6", XD9000I Hitch-Mounted Winch, Custom Bumpers and
 Nerf Bars/Air Tanks, Lots of Lights & Techno Gadgets (Stereo, GPS, etc?),
 (Some mods in Progress)
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 Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 14:51:59 -0500
 From: "Alexandre Brousseau"  Subject: Re: Front suspension droop, retry>First, it depends on what you mean by radical. Will you drive this truck on
 the>road? What type of wheeling do you do? What size lift and tires do you plan>to end up with? What are you fabrication capabilities....or what do you
 plan>to spend to have someone make this setup?
 Yes the truck will be driven on the road. Mostly to get to the trail &
 around town and as a backup incase my commuter car fails. The missing links
 and buggies have something in common, you can easily fab a little something
 that will lock them out when hitting pavement. As for lift & tires, I plan
 on running 35-36" TSLs with a 2-3" bodylift and 4" springs f/r, perhaps more
 lift if it doens't fit. I hear the pre-84 models have larger wheelwells, so
 I will probably go for one of those to save some headache in the fitment
 department.
 As for my fab capabilities and money to spend, I'll manage. I do not
 currently weld but my best pal takes care of this for me, free of charge.
 He's very talented and certified. As for the money to spend, well any
 buildup is bound to cost alot, and I'm ready and fully aware of what is
 implicated.
 Here's what I'll do. I'll try the 4" springs with the stock setup and see
 what comes of it. I'll try it out in the spots my Samurai would leave me
 stranded with the feets in the air, and see if I need more. I'll keep the
 shackle reverse/missing links for later...>I may be missing something, but I think you'll find rear shackles are still
 superior.
 I don't find either of them superior. All I'm saying is that if I want to
 setup a crazy suspension up front which will have equal travel to the rear,
 the back shackle will either make it impossible or very expensive. I'll
 see... As I said I'll try out the stock setup and see how I like it.
 Thanks for the input, it's very constructive... Hadn't though of the
 approach angle thing..
 Alex.
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 Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 15:00:16 EST
 From: Gnarly4X@aol.com
 Subject: Re: Solid Axel Swap-Attn: Andrew
 Andrew,
 I don't know what your objectives or expectations are for your swap.  I assume
 it's for greater articulation for 4-wheeling.  I don't want to alarm you, but
 if the AllPro you're referring to is the one in CA near Palm Springs, my
 friend just had his 91 Toy Truck done there.  He had some unexpected problems:
 1) The front shocks where not the right ones, not enough compression.
 2) Agreed upon list of things to be done where not done.
 3) Some things were done that he didn't expect and didn't want.
 4) While they were welding the shock towers, they accidentally fried his ARB
 compressor.
 5) Several design elements were not well engineered.
 6) AllPro stated that they ramped the truck and it did 950 on a 20 degree
 ramp.  We ramped it here on a 23 degree ramp and it would not do 600.
 In fairness to AllPro, they did offer to rectify all problems with no hassle,
 but since he lives in Phoenix, logistically it wasn't easy.  I don't think it
 will ramp 950 on a 20 degree ramp, period.  If you want to talk to my friend,
 I'm sure he would not mind.  He can give a little more info on specific
 details and maybe what he would do differently now that he has done the
 conversion.  Just let me know and I'll contact him.  If I were having that
 type of work done, I would be very very specific on the agreed design, parts,
 job and price.  That's a lot of time and money to spend in one place and not
 be completely satisfied.
 Gnarls.
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 Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 12:21:01 -0800
 From: Chris Geiger  Subject: Re: Solid Axel Swap-Attn: Andrew> I don't think it will ramp 950 on a 20 degree ramp, period.
 Mine may be a different setup than you friend but when I put my truck up
 on a 20 degree ramp I had the rear tire go up the ramp about 6" before
 the right rear tire lifted up. That's well over 1,000.
 In other news I installed a new set of 35" BFG's yesterday. That's gives
 me a full inch more ground clearance. I hope it's not too tall now :-) I
 also plan to install All Pro's new skid plate/crossmember this week.
 Anyone have a idea on where to get good mud flaps? I need to cut/make
 something to cover these things up a little or I am going to get a
 ticket soon.
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 Off-Road.Com Toyota section editor, Album page editor
 Marlin case #103, 35" BFG tires, All Pro solid axle conversion
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 Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 13:41:12 -0700
 From: "Brett Fredrickson"  Subject: Mail list Bio
 Name: Brett Fredrickson
 City & State: Boulder, Colorado
 Country: USA
 E-mail Address: Fat_Tire@msn.com
 Toyota Year &Model: 1987 4x4 P/U Std Bed
 Are you a TLCA Member: No
 Age:23
 Occupation: Wholesale Bakery Owner
 Marital Status: No Ring. just a girl friend
 Hobbies: I love softball. I own a Cobra Mustang and enjoy that. And of
 course 4-Weelin'
 General info: My Truck has many mods and always looking for more.  As of
 right now it has a 3" Rancho susp lift, 3" body lift, 35" BFG Mud Terrain
 T/A's, 5.29's, Lock Right in the front, Detroit in the rear, Bushwacker
 Cut-out Fender Flares, Custom Interior, 1994 200+ HP 4.3L Vortec V6, Rebuilt
 TH-350 auto tranny.
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 Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 15:41:27 -0400
 From: "Andy Zook"  Subject: Re: Solid Axel Swap-Attn: Andrew>Chris Geiger 93 4Runner http://128.111.151.211/offroad>Off-Road.Com Toyota section editor, Album page editor>Marlin case #103, 35" BFG tires, All Pro solid axle conversion
 One would have to wonder if that is really your web page Chris :-p
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 Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 12:26:50 -0800
 From: John Viernes  Subject: 1986 22re harmonic balancer
 I just got a price fron the TOYOTA delaer for a 1986 harmonice balancer for
 my 1986 22re.  The price is $286.00.   The price for a 1985 balancer is
 only $130.00.  Does anyone know the damn difference?   Can I just use an
 1985 balancer?
 Please email me at jviernes@earthlink.net   ASAP!!! I'm losing oil as I
 type...
 Thanks,
 JOhn
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 Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 15:43:52 -0500
 From: djstracher@bbn.com
 Subject: Re: Toyota factory CD player For Sale
 Does anyone know if this will just plug in and work with the factory
 premium radio in a 93 4runner. I have the 93 factory cd player in it, but
 that is only partially working.
 Thanks,
 Dave Stracher
 djstracher@bbn.com
 93 4Runner, V6.
 BFG-AT 31x10.5, Bilstein Shocks, TRD Clutch
 At 08:27 PM 2/14/99 -0700, Mark Y. wrote:>I'm upgrading the CD player in my 1999 Tacoma Limited. This truck came with>a factory CD player. The reason I'm upgrading is because I want to use pre>outs to my amp instead of speaker level outputs. I purchased this truck in>December of 1998 so the player has had very little use.>>This CD player retails for $374 from Toyota parts. Make me an offer.>>You can email me at dbackfan@cyberdude.com>------------------>Mark>DbackFan@CyberDude.com>>============================================================================>Toyota 4x4 page: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota> ============================================================================
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 Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 12:53:49 -0800
 From: "Hollis Ferris"  Subject: Re: Front suspension droop, retry
 You don't need buggy springs to get lots>of travel.
 True, but they are twice as cheap as alcans, and (I think) work twice as
 good!!
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 Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 15:55:00 -0400
 From: "Andy Zook"  Subject: Re: Solid Axel Swap-Attn: Andrew
 err.... nevermind. something seems to be wrong with my outlook!
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 Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 13:05:44 -0800
 From: "Hollis Ferris"  Subject: Re: Front suspension droop, retry>I don't find either of them superior. All I'm saying is that if I want to>setup a crazy suspension up front which will have equal travel to the rear,>the back shackle will either make it impossible or very expensive. I'll>see... As I said I'll try out the stock setup and see how I like it.
 What is so expensive and hard about leaving the stock shackle where it is?
 I dont get what you are talking about, everyone leaves that shackle in
 place,
 Ive seen some very extreme rigs and "None"of them run a front mounted
 shackle dude...... Not only that but it would be kinda hard to buggy leaf a
 front spring with the shackle in the front ...
 Hollis Ferris
 Black 1988 xtra cab, V6, auto, 4 inch lift,
 33in Dunlop Mud Rovers, rear lockright, blown front end!
 1984 Shortbed!! W/ Dana 44s & Marlin Dual T Case #305!
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 Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 16:03:16 -0400
 From: "Andy Zook"  Subject: Re: Front suspension droop, retry>You don't need buggy springs to get lots>>of travel.>True, but they are twice as cheap as alcans, and (I think)>work twice as good!!
 I would not want to put buggy springs on my truck. Running 35s with 4-5"
 lift is bad enough in severe off-camber situations. I would hate to see what
 the extra body roll induced by buggy springs and missing link shackles all
 around does for my stability!
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 Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 13:18:06 -0800
 From: "Hollis Ferris"  Subject: Re: Solid Axel Swap-Attn: Andrew>Anyone have a idea on where to get good mud flaps? I need to cut/make>something to cover these things up a little or I am going to get a>ticket soon.
 You can make some detachable ones! if you go to any industrial store and
 pick up some of that thick rubber matting, why do you need to cover these up
 and not your 33s? they are the same width.....
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 Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 15:15:34 -0600 (CST)
 From: davekimm@webtv.net (david meador)
 Subject: Re: front suspension droop
 Why do the shackle reversal? Usually the shackle swap is done on a truck
 that started out with the shackle in the front.  If the leaf spring has
 an arch to it it is better to have the shackle in the rear.   If I
 rember your first post you had a Samuri, you can install a missing link
 on the Toyota  with the shackle at the rear just like the Sami was.
 Dave Meador
 85 &95 4Runner
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 Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 16:51:05 -0500
 From: "Patrick Skelley"  Subject: Re: Alarm in 4Runner
 If I have to park my vehicle in a questionable area for any length of time, I just remove the coil wire and put it in my pocket.  Then I KNOW it's not going anywhere.
 Patrick Skelley
 Bedford, Virginia
 Skelley@flippindensmore.com
 1993 4Runner SR5, 3VZ-E V-6
 Downey headers and 2.5" exhaust (all Jet-Hot coated); K&N replacement element; Downey 26mm torsion bars, 1.5" HD coils, and low-profile bump stops; Warn Premium Locking Hubs; front Bilsteins and rear Doestch-Tech's; Downey SuperClutch and Centerforce Torquer Flywheel; TJM bull bar and custom rear receiver bumper/spare tire carrier; BFG 32x11.50 MT's on Toyota factory 7x15 alloys; extended differential breathers; front swaybar quick-disconnects; custom German Shepherd Dog fur seat covers and window streaking.
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 Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 15:57:30 -0600
 From: "Steve C."  Subject: Re: Car alarm in 4runner
 - -----Original Message-----
 From: cscotti@econophone.com  To: toy4x4@tlca.org  Date: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 1:24 PM
 Subject: RE: Car alarm in 4runner
 |I am thinking about getting a paging alarm for my 4runner.   It is going to
 |be a soft top with a pretty hefty system in it so I need something good.
 |How much do these systems cost by the way and don't you need a cell phone in
 |the car or some way for it to page you?  How does this work?
 |
 I got one of these from Circuit City in 96 for $100.
 Its signals the pager via radio waves, it ties into your existing radio antenna (if you have a power antenna you are pretty much SOL)  and has good reach with just the radio antenna.
 HOWEVER I would not trust it to protect your goodies.  I mean if the thief even suspects you got the pager he will just unscrew the antenna and go to work on your stuff.
 I had a company truck get broken into several times and installed this device with the antenna mounted out of sight behind my seat on the bulkhead.....wired it into the courtesy lights and used it for a "silent alarm"......'doom on you' to the sorry fool that opened the door to get my tools.   The only catch was that in my apartment 50 yards away the signal would not set the pager off.   Too much radio interference.
 long story short, its not a fail safe.
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 Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 16:01:42 -0600
 From: "Steve C."  Subject: Re: Car alarm in 4runner
 - -----Original Message-----
 From: Rafael Pondoc  To: toy4x4@tlca.org  Date: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 12:51 PM
 Subject: Re: Car alarm in 4runner
 |
 |By the way, when you do come to your truck's rescue you'd better be "equpped"
 |and know when to use it. In most states you can not use lethal force to defend
 |property.
 |
 thats what I love about TX the cop next door said to me that even in the apartment parking lot, your property is your property......
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 Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 16:12:26 -0600
 From: Ryan Beal  Subject: RE: Solid Axel Swap-Attn: Andrew
 Mud Flaps or extenda flares?
 Ryan S. Beal
 rbeal@rftechnologies.com
 -----Original Message-----
 From:	Chris Geiger [SMTP:cgeiger@gte.net]
 Sent:	Tuesday, February 16, 1999 2:21 PM
 To:	toy4x4@tlca.org
 Subject:	Re: Solid Axel Swap-Attn: Andrew> I don't think it will ramp 950 on a 20 degree ramp, period.
 Mine may be a different setup than you friend but when I put my
 truck up
 on a 20 degree ramp I had the rear tire go up the ramp about 6"
 before
 the right rear tire lifted up. That's well over 1,000.
 In other news I installed a new set of 35" BFG's yesterday.
 That's gives
 me a full inch more ground clearance. I hope it's not too tall
 now :-) I
 also plan to install All Pro's new skid plate/crossmember this
 week.
 Anyone have a idea on where to get good mud flaps? I need to
 cut/make
 something to cover these things up a little or I am going to get
 a
 ticket soon.
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 Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 16:16:45 -0000
 From: "A C  "  Subject: Re: alarm in 4runner
 Thanx...  sounds like alarms are for looks.
 I think maybe the Road warrior route is the route I'll take...  works on my
 VW baja.
 hidden combination switches and another hidden fuel switch.
 I just wanted to see what other people thought of the keyed flashing neon,
 before I decide to rip it out or not.
 Thanx A.C.
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 Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 16:19:55 -0600
 From: cscotti@econophone.com
 Subject: RE: Car alarm in 4runner
 Damn, so it works on radio waves?It would be awesome if it worked on some
 sort of cheap cellular system that only charged you when it was used.  Then
 you could be halfway across the country and find out that your car is being
 stolen and feel pretty much helpless!
 Chris Scotti
 CW Computer Services
 Cscotti@cwcomp.com
 www.cwcomp.com
 1995 Green 4Runner SR5 Soft-Top w/4"susp/2"body lift, 33"M/T's, ARB Rear &
 EZ-Locker Front, Bobbed 6", XD9000I Hitch-Mounted Winch, Custom Bumpers and
 Nerf Bars/Air Tanks, Lots of Lights & Techno Gadgets (Stereo, GPS, etc?),
 (Some mods in Progress)
 - -----Original Message-----
 From:	Steve C. [mailto:stevecapuano@geocities.com]
 Sent:	Tuesday, February 16, 1999 3:58 PM
 To:	toy4x4@tlca.org
 Subject:	Re: Car alarm in 4runner
 - -----Original Message-----
 From: cscotti@econophone.com  To: toy4x4@tlca.org  Date: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 1:24 PM
 Subject: RE: Car alarm in 4runner
 |I am thinking about getting a paging alarm for my 4runner.   It is going to
 |be a soft top with a pretty hefty system in it so I need something good.
 |How much do these systems cost by the way and don't you need a cell phone
 in
 |the car or some way for it to page you?  How does this work?
 |
 I got one of these from Circuit City in 96 for $100.
 Its signals the pager via radio waves, it ties into your existing radio
 antenna (if you have a power antenna you are pretty much SOL)  and has good
 reach with just the radio antenna.
 HOWEVER I would not trust it to protect your goodies.  I mean if the thief
 even suspects you got the pager he will just unscrew the antenna and go to
 work on your stuff.
 I had a company truck get broken into several times and installed this
 device with the antenna mounted out of sight behind my seat on the
 bulkhead.....wired it into the courtesy lights and used it for a "silent
 alarm"......'doom on you' to the sorry fool that opened the door to get my
 tools.   The only catch was that in my apartment 50 yards away the signal
 would not set the pager off.   Too much radio interference.
 long story short, its not a fail safe.
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 Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 17:28:20 EST
 From: Iwheel4x4@aol.com
 Subject: Re: alarm in 4runner> Thanx...  sounds like alarms are for looks.>>  I think maybe the Road warrior route is the route I'll take...  works on my>  VW baja.>  hidden combination switches and another hidden fuel switch.>>  I just wanted to see what other people thought of the keyed flashing neon,>  before I decide to rip it out or not.
 Well, I wouldn't rip it out if you have one.  Sure, alarms aren't perfect.
 There is NO sure fire way to make sure your vehicle will not get stolen.
 Heck, the newest thing I've heard of is for thieves to just pull up with a tow
 truck and tow vehicles away.  It only takes a couple minutes to hook it up and
 take it away and few people question it unless they are the owner or know the
 owner.  The main reason I got my Viper system was for deterrence.  I'm hoping
 that if a would-be thief sees my truck sitting there, alarm light flashing,
 sitting next to a non-alarmed vehicle, he/she will go for the non-alarmed
 vehicle instead.  Not to mention the discount off of my insurance for having
 an alarm with a starter-kill circuit....
 Allen Dickenson     IWheel4x4@aol.com
 http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Trails/8895/
 1995 4Runner Limited - "FT KNOX" - Downey 1.5" rear lift springs, t-bars
 cranked, ARB Bull Bar, Rancho RS9000?s front, RS5000?s rear, 31x10.5 BFG
 A/T?s, K&N drop-in, raised diff. breathers, low-profile bumpstops, Smittybilt
 Nerf Bars, Warn Premium hubs, Hella 100W 500's.
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 Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 17:30:03 -0500
 From: "Lawson, Chris"  Subject: RE: Car alarm in 4runner
 Not really, Steve, they have a 12V out put wire that can be tied into the
 Power antenna trigger lead to move it into transmit position, but range can
 still be a problem.
 You can tie into a cell phone, if you want to spend the bucks on a
 Alpine Alarm, Alpine Cell phone, and a few other Alpine goodies.  It gives
 you the choice of allowing the the alarm to go off  or just autodialing the
 cell phone to a phone number.  Just think someone is in the car trying to
 take the stereo and they here a voice a foot away coming out of the phone!
 Again, pricey!
 Chris Lawson
 - -----Original Message-----
 From: Steve C. [mailto:stevecapuano@geocities.com]
 Its signals the pager via radio waves, it ties into your existing radio
 antenna (if you have a power antenna you are pretty much SOL)  and has good
 reach with just the radio antenna.
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 Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 17:29:23 -0500
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 Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 17:35:20 -0500
 From: "Tom Pechkovsky"  Subject: Door locks not working
 I recall this topic kinda being covered before but my problem does not follow the same symptoms.
 A couple of weeks ago my key would not work on the passenger door, No problem, thought it was ice.
 Then last week my rear tailgate lock won't work, (can't turn the key).
 My key ring only has a couple of other keys on it, so it is not that heavy.  The driver's door is still working (thank god)  I have also tried other keys I have for the vehicle and they don't work either.
 I've lubed it up with a little graphite lock grease but nothing.   I guess my next step is to take the inside panel apart but before I try that I thought I would get some suggestions.  I thought it might be ice but it has been above freezing a couple of days and still no luck.!
 Any suggestions, maybe I just need to put some penetrating oil and more graphite lube??
 Thank you in advance
 Tom Pechkovsky
 92 4Runner
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 Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 17:44:29 -0500
 From: djstracher@bbn.com
 Subject: Re: Door locks not working
 Tom --
 I think our 4runners are related or something. 8-) Too many of the same
 probs...
 I too have experienced the same problem. I lubed the locks up good and had
 toyota cut a key by code and it seems to have solved the problem about 90%
 of the time but I would still be very interested in anything you find out.
 Thanks,
 Dave Stracher
 djstracher@bbn.com
 At 05:35 PM 2/16/99 -0500, you wrote:>I recall this topic kinda being covered before but my problem does not
 follow the same symptoms.>>A couple of weeks ago my key would not work on the passenger door, No
 problem, thought it was ice.>>Then last week my rear tailgate lock won't work, (can't turn the key).>>My key ring only has a couple of other keys on it, so it is not that
 heavy.  The driver's door is still working (thank god)  I have also tried
 other keys I have for the vehicle and they don't work either.>>I've lubed it up with a little graphite lock grease but nothing.   I guess
 my next step is to take the inside panel apart but before I try that I
 thought I would get some suggestions.  I thought it might be ice but it has
 been above freezing a couple of days and still no luck.!>>Any suggestions, maybe I just need to put some penetrating oil and more
 graphite lube??>>Thank you in advance>Tom Pechkovsky>92 4Runner>>>============================================================================>Toyota 4x4 page: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota> ============================================================================
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 Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 14:49:34 -0800
 From: Chris Geiger  Subject: Re: Solid Axel Swap-Attn: Andrew> Mud Flaps or extenda flares?> Ryan S. Beal
 They don't stick out of The fenders that much, just about an inch. But
 the laws around here require that the top half of the tire tread be
 covered by mud flaps in the rear. So I am thinking of some sort of
 removable type thing, I guess I will have to cut some out of some kind
 of rubber mat stuff. I want to be able to take then off for trail use so
 I don't tear them off on the rocks.
 The 35's are the same width as the 33's were but the truck is taller now
 with the lift and with the taller tires you see more of the tire. It
 ticket bait now.
 - --
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 Off-Road.Com Toyota section editor, Album page editor
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 Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 10:35:58 EST
 From: "james stevenson"  Subject: Re: Front suspension droop, retry>As for the front, what is the best way to get some radical flex?
 It depends on hoow nuch flex you want. Staying with a leaf spring setup
 use the rear springs on the front with a 2 in extension on a missing
 link shackle. This will also put the axle 2in forward. For more flex
 again add a second shackle and radius arm on the fixed spring eye so you
 have shackles on each end of the spring pack. Both setups work great.
 James Stevenson (TonkaTuf)
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 Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 18:36:14 -0500
 From: "Joe & Soosie"  Subject: Right front driveshaft locked
 I need help with a problem. I have a 94 Toyota 4x4 w/ AT, 2 years ago I put
 manual hubs on. All was fine until I had a TrueTrac put in the front diff.
 Now, the driver's side front half shaft spins freely when the hub is
 unlocked. The passenger side is locked to the diff w/ the hub unlocked, when
 I turn it by hand the front driveshaft turns. When I locked the hub, I
 couldn't turn either the half shaft or the front driveshaft.
 So I need some help diagnosing the problem (something I'm not too good at,
 but learning). I was thinking (hoping) it's just the hub. I thought the
 driver's side was the side w/ the collar that moved when vacuum is applied,
 and don't understand -- aside from the hub -- how the pass. shaft can be
 locked w/ the diff.
 All else is fine, 4wd works. I've put about 1000 miles on since the install,
 so I'm not afraid that anything's toasted.
 Thanks for your help.
 Joe Micciche
 joesoos@stratos.net
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