Toyota 4x4 digest:      Monday, January 25 1999      Volume 02 : Number 209
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 Re: Roll Bar
 Re: 87 p-u Service Manual (91 for sale)
 Totaled 4 Runner
 RE: Las Cruces - SWFWDA Winter Quarterly
 Re: New Pistons
 Re: Totaled 4 Runner
 Re: Supercharger
 Re: Tacoma starter
 Supercharger
 Hood Welds
 Pre-Run Bumper
 RE: Engine kill
 RE: broken grill
 Check Engine Light
 Santiago Pictures
 re: broken grill
 Re: Cat back
 Re: web page where?
 Re: Brake Pad Wear
 [none]
 Buggy Springs
 Inside the cab cage - round or rect. tubing?
 Re: Buggy Springs
 Re: head gasket
 Re: Badder Brighter Backup Bulbs
 Respond to JJ rollcage
 22re falter
 RE:  Tacoma Towing
 Re:  Tacoma Starter
 RE: 22re falter
 Re: How much is a 4Runner tailgate?
 RE: Badder Brighter Backup Bulbs
 Vibration
 Re: Badder Brighter Backup Bulbs
 Re: Vibration
 Re: Totaled 4 Runner
 CB Radio Sale
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 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 09:49:04 -0600 (CST)
 From: Brian Wiencek  Subject: Re: Roll Bar> Hey all I am thinking of making my first serious foray into building a roll bar/cage for my 83> truck. Question is tube would be stronger but what do yall think about using square stock? I> really don't like the idea of having to get a bender and hand bending a bunch of tube and> forget having someone bend it for me way too much $$$. Square stock a real bad idea or> do-able?
 Square stock is nowhere near as strong as round tube - I won;t go into
 the physics behind the sq/round tubing , but try this -
 take a piece of paper - roll it into a tube, set it 'up' on a
 table then push a weight on the end - it should hold, now take the same
 paper and fold it into a square - crushed right away... also the old can
 trick - you should be able to stand on an aluminum can, then tap in one
 side and it'll crush.
 I'd use square tubing for reinforecemnts of parts, but if you're REALLY
 wanting rollover protection then round is the way to go.
 - - Brian
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 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 10:10:58 -0600 (CST)
 From: Brian Wiencek  Subject: Re: 87 p-u Service Manual (91 for sale)> Looking for anyone that might be getting rid> of an 87 service manual for cheap> The dealer wants 135 bucks, and us college students> find it kind of hard to come up with that kind of money
 Well, I don't think it's exactly the same, but a guy here at work has just
 sold his '91 4Runner and he has a complete set of manuals for sale.  He
 asked me if I want them, so if somebody wants a set of '91 manuals let me
 know.  I think he said that it's a 3 volume set??  It definately covers
 the '91 V-6 4Runner that he had.
 - - Brian
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 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 10:20:47 -0600 (CST)
 From: Brian Wiencek  Subject: Totaled 4 Runner
 Do you have any interior parts for your totaled 4Runner?  I'm looking for
 a good back seat - in the brown color preferred.  Also how are the axles?
 - - brian
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 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 10:21:42 -0600
 From: cscotti@econophone.com
 Subject: RE: Las Cruces - SWFWDA Winter Quarterly
 I will be there!  I will probably wheel Thursday - Saturday?.Maybe more if I
 can get away from work.  I will be doing mostly hard and maybe 1 or 2
 extreme.  I am going to sign up for them this week but I really would like
 some better descriptions of the trails.  Anyone been there before?
 Chris Scotti
 CW Computer Services
 Cscotti@cwcomp.com
 www.cwcomp.com
 1995 Green 4Runner SR5 Soft-Top w/4"susp/2"body lift, 35"TSL's, ARB Rear &
 EZ-Locker Front, Bobbed 6", XD9000I Hitch-Mounted Winch, Custom Bumpers and
 Nerf Bars/Air Tanks, Lots of Lights & Techno Gadgets (Stereo, GPS, etc?),
 (Some mods in Progress)
 - -----Original Message-----
 From:	Lance Morin [mailto:siralf@cyberramp.net]
 Sent:	Monday, January 25, 1999 9:04 AM
 To:	toylist; bob667@vegas.net
 Subject:	Las Cruces - SWFWDA Winter Quarterly
 "Is anybody (else, besides me) from the list going to be attending the
 Southwest Four Wheel Drive Association Winter Quarterly in Las Cruces? It's
 one of the larger events in the country each year. Espn will be there along
 with all the major magazines. It's prime time RockCrawling for those who
 don't know.  February 23rd-28th in Las Cruces, New Mexico."
 2/24 - 2/28 SWFWDA Winter Quarterly at Las Cruces, NM
 Contact : Homer Van Zandt - WardJerry@aol.com  or Paul Tomicek -
 pos.image@zianet.com
 I'll be there on Tuesday to run Wed-Sat.  I'll be there with several members
 from our club (FWD-FWD). Many have been before, but some of us have not.
 I've signed up for "hard" runs on Wednesday and Thursday and "extreme" runs
 on Friday and Saturday. Most of the members from our club signed up for
 "extreme" runs all four days. It out to be some serious wheelin'...
 Lance Morin
 Ft. Worth - Dallas Four Wheel Drive
 lance@fwd-fwd.org
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 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 10:37:32 -0600 (CST)
 From: Brian Wiencek  Subject: Re: New Pistons> 	So my question is what do I need to look for to decide if I need> to replace the pistons.
 Well, *normally* for someone doing a stock rebuild piston replacement is a
 matter of bore size - if you're getting the engine bored oversize to
 correctany defects in the engine block (excessive scoring, wear,
 out-of-round, etc.), then you need new pistons.  Otherwise, take a fine
 wire brush to the TOP of the piston and clen the carbon off, check for
 cracks (around the ring lands especially if there's been detonation) and
 also for wear along the 'skirt' of the piston.  I recently re-ringed my
 225K mile motor, and only honed the cylinders and re-ringed the engine,
 using the factory pistons that cleaned up real well.  If you're replacing
 the pistions I'd spend the little extra and get some nice high compression
 units from J&E or weisco.
 - - Brian
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 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 11:45:07 -0500
 From: "Karl Bellve, Ph.D."  Subject: Re: Totaled 4 Runner
 Brian Wiencek wrote:>> Do you have any interior parts for your totaled 4Runner?  I'm looking for> a good back seat - in the brown color preferred.  Also how are the axles?> While we are scavenging... I am looking for a side pocket for the back
 seats ;-)
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 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 10:39:55 -0600 (CST)
 From: Brian Wiencek  Subject: Re: Supercharger> I've thought a lot about this (belt driven superchargers) and have come up> with the conclusion that there is a lot to be worked out with the drive> belts.  Where physically are you going to be mounting that unit?
 OOPS - forgot to say that this was for the 'roundish' paxton type SC's and
 not the little camden/b&m units that can be sandwitched between the
 manifold and a carb with a long drive snout...  There were kits for these
 units.
 - - Brian
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 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 09:02:35 -0800
 From: Chris Geiger  Subject: Re: Tacoma starter
 Yes the contact problem is real common, now that you have had that done
 you won't have to worry about it. I will be doing a complete article in
 March on how to replace the contacts in the starter. Lots of pictures.
 The cost is only about $11 for the parts to do it. I have also had the
 relay come loose once. I just pushed the relay back in and problem
 solved.> Hello everyone  I have a96 tacoma with 68,000 miles  on a 4 cyl.  when> starting it the engine just makes a click  sometimes I  just try again> and it starts sometimes twenty tries to get the starter to turn  and to> start  I took to my local toyota shop and was told the contacts were the> problem  so $140.00  later and at home the same thing. Has anyone else> had this happen ? I allready feel like I should have bought a rebuilt> starter and installed myself  I will return to toyota tomorrow should> this problem be covered on my extended warrenty I was told no.> - --
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 Off-Road.Com Toyota section editor, Album page editor
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 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 12:11:32 -0500
 From: Ed.Wong@astramerck.com
 Subject: Supercharger> Has anyone ever put a Paxton supercharger on their 22R?
 I have heard rumours of several installs, but no pictures
 etc.
 Its one of those "if ya gotta ask how the answer is no"
 things...
 A/C makes it harder, if its got no AC and no PS, then
 its probably easier - Id stick in the PS location,
 but I think the blower is "opposite" handed...
 EWong
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 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 12:13:19 -0500
 From: Ed.Wong@astramerck.com
 Subject: Hood Welds>> Finally, the welds that hold the hood to the spiderweb-like bracing
 underneath have popped.
<> Also, I'm going to replace the bumper with a pre-runner bumper.  Anyone
 who has one, do they usually mount with their own mounts or do they use
 the factory bumper mounts?>> The Downey Pre-Run bumper uses its won tabs - not the
 OEM bumper tabs. Its designed to be used with the OEM bumber still
 in place.
 IMHO - its probaby cheaper to get one made to your specs than to
 buy theirs - esp after shipping....
 But its not a band brush bar - looks cool IMHO.
 Its not a hard core rock bashing item though.
 EWong
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 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 10:01:50 -0800
 From: Steve Harron  Subject: RE: Engine kill> I have a problem with my '94 Toyota Truck.  It has a 3.0 V6 with 66,000> miles.  New head gasket, timing belt, and plugs at 52,000 miles.>> The problem is that the engine kills sporadically.  It happens most> frequently shortly after starting, but will occasionally die while driving> down the road.  For instance, I will start the truck in the morning, go> inside for 1 minute to let it warm up, and by the time I get to the door,> it> will die.  When I try to restart it, it takes several minutes.  The engine> turns over fine, but it won't fire.  Once it starts again, it is usually> fine.> Alternatively, the truck starts and runs and I pull out onto the road and> it> will just die.  I then turn it off and try to restart, and it will take> several> minutes to get going.  It doesn't seem to matter whether the engine is hot> or cold.> This sounds to me like a fuel delivery problem.  I would put a fuel
 pressure gauge on and see what happens.  I've had this happen 3 times with
 different vehicles.  All four times it was a different problem, so I'll list
 them all real quick here:
 1)  Fuel pump was going bad.  The fuel pressure on an EFI is pretty
 important.  If the pressure is too low, the engine won't run right.  Check
 this with a fuel pressure gauge.
 2)  Fuel pump relay was going bad.  The relay would occasionally not
 work.  This shuts off the fuel pump and the engine dies.  Then several
 minutes later, the relay would start working again.
 3)  Coil wasn't grounded well.  I had coil that appeared to be
 grounded.  The engine would warm up a little and the strap that held the
 coil would expand due to heat and not hold the coil securely.  This would
 result in poor ground and the engine would die.
 Since you took it to the dealer and they checked out the ignition
 system, I would probably check the fuel delivery/pressure.  Hope this helps
 and good luck.  Those intermittent problems can sure be frustrating!
 Steve Harron
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 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 10:35:30 -0800
 From: Steve Harron  Subject: RE: broken grill> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 12:24:54 -0500> From: mrodg@juno.com> Subject: broken grill>> Beings it's 50 degrees out instead of the 8 we're use to here in PA, I> started to tear apart the front of the truck my recent wrestling match of> Toyota vs. Telephone pole.  My grill is cracked in a few places along> with 3 mounting tabs broken off.  I'm just going to glue them back> together.>> What would be the best adhesive to use for the plastic grill?  Would> Liquid Nails be strong, or would there be something better for plastic?> Mike,
 I agree with the others that a "super glue" would work well for
 getting everything together where it's visible, but I would use another glue
 for areas that can't be seen or perhaps for re-enforcement behind the parts
 of the grill.  JB Weld is the strongest epoxy I've ever used.  It takes
 overnight to set and has a gray color, but if you can hold the broken pieces
 together for 24 hours, it'll never come apart again.  I've used this stuff
 on metal, plastic and glass and it's worked great.  I had a broken tail
 light trim piece that was plastic with chrome covering.  I used super glue
 to attach the pieces and then re-enforced the back with a paperclip with JB
 weld over it.  Kind of like concrete with a re-bar.  It never came apart.
 I'm not affiliated with JB Weld or anything.  I have just found it to be one
 of the best epoxy glues around.
 Steve Harron
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 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 13:57:08 -0500 (EST)
 From: Curtis Mulder  Subject: Check Engine Light
 I just have a question about my 1990 toyota pickup.  I have a 22RE engine
 in it.  I noticed the other day that my check engine light was on.  I
 checked into my haynes manual to see if it could be anything serious.  It
 said that I could do a self diagnoses on it if I would attach a continuity
 tester across the T and E terminals that are close to the Ignition coil.
 Then depending on the blinking patern of my tester I would know what the
 problem was.  the problem is that I don't know were the T and E terminals
 are.  I might be mistaken the terminal numbers; however, I can look that
 up again in my manual.  But if anyone knows anything about the check
 engine light or the terminals I explained could you let me know.
 Curt Mulder
 1990 toyota pickup
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 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 11:51:16 -0800 (PST)
 From: Brian Rosa  Subject: Santiago Pictures
 Hello All,
 I put several pictures up from the new years eve Santiago Canyon
 run.  Server errors prevented me from doing this earlier, let me know if
 you have any problems seeing the pics.
 http://ieee.ecs.fullerton.edu/~brosa/truck.html
 Brian Rosa
 brosa@ieee.ecs.fullerton.edu
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 Date: 25 Jan 1999 11:54:40 -0800
 From: Robert Elsemore  Subject: re: broken grill
 Mike Rodgers wrote:>What would be the best adhesive to use for the plastic grill?  Would>Liquid Nails be strong, or would there be something better for plastic?
 Just thought I'd throw out another option.  I recently bought a new
 chrome replacement grill for my 85 4Runner and the price was $28.
 That included all of the little mounting clips too.  I think the
 black/non-chrome grills were $25.  MUCH cheaper than the $135
 quoted to me at the Toyota parts counter!...but then the $28 grill
 isn't a genuine Toyota part :)
 The company is The Levan Group Inc.
 (510) 451-2800
 They're in Oakland, CA, but I'm pretty sure they will ship to PA.
 I am in no way affiliated with the Levan Group, but I have been very
 happy with their prices and service.  You can get bumpers, fenders,
 and other body parts from them too.
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 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 12:36:42 -7 GMT
 From: "Leo G. Divinagracia III"  Subject: Re: Cat back> From: Jonathan and Shallyn Powers >> A cat-back system would generally involve from the catalytic converter on back> upgrading the tubing and muffler.  People usually go with a 2-2.5" tubing.> did you mean INCLUDING the cat also?  or everthing downstream from the
 cat?
 anyway, in the strick smog state of calif, cat back systems are everything
 AFTER the cat.  nice systems can be bought from borla (read: expensive but
 looks nice) or go to a muffler shop and they can custom make one for you,
 like what i did.  muffler and pipes and a nice tip...
 alright, not quite.  my cat was nearing its demise so when the dude showed
 me a cat that i can see light through, it became a cat back plus the
 cat...  meow!
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 Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 08:59:33 EST
 From: "james stevenson"  Subject: Re: web page where?>James Stevenson used to have a page up with suspension setups on it -> if it is still up, where is it?
 I stopped the account about 6mths ago, they only got around to killing
 off the web page a few weeks back. I am working on a new one and will
 put up the address whene its done
 James Stevenson (TonkaTuf)
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 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 17:02:39 -0500
 From: "Tom Pechkovsky"  Subject: Re: Brake Pad Wear
 Well, I did my brakes a last weekend and eveything seemed ok except the way the pads seem to wear.
 Maybe it is normal but if you people have some advice I would appreciate it.
 First let me say I bought the rebuild kit of the calipers, but it was VERY cold the weekend I did it so tired not to get too far ahead of myself.
 The boots around the pistons looked ok but I am going to replace them when the weather gets a little warmer.
 Now my question, on the right side of the vehicle the inner pad was almost wore right out, yet the outer one showed little wear.  The drivers side was similar but not as extreme.  Now does this mean the outer pistons are not working properly?  Or is it simply a matter that the inner ones get the brake pressure first and it takes alot of pressure to bridge over to the outer pistons.
 Any assistance is appreciated.
 Tom 92 4Runner
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 Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:04:10 EST
 From: "james stevenson"  Subject: [none]>I have a 2.4L diesel and the guy at Genie said that putting>on a header would give me and extra of 10 to 15hp.
 Give the headers a miss. If you want real power the cheapest way is to
 get a Toy 2.4 Turbo from a Jap importer off a 2.4 turbo motor. All of
 the headers i have seen on diesels have done more bad than good in the
 bottom end torque.
 James Stevenson (TonkaTuf)
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 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 13:24:55 -0500
 From: schein@juno.com
 Subject: Buggy Springs
 James I have a question for you (or anyone on the list)....
 While looking around the web for details on 'buggy springs' I found a
 site that recommends against using them on the rear
 (http://www.mountainoffroad.com/catalog/buggy/buggy.htm). Im confused as
 to why they make this claim. The rotation direction of the axle and
 mounting point of the shackle (at the rear of the leaf) is the same as
 the front. So what makes the rear axle different?
 If the rear axle is subject to spring wrap due to buggy springs, what's
 the best way to control it without affecting travel and articulation? Im
 sure some form of an axle to frame connection would be needed.
 Help a student of suspension to see the light.
 - -Dan
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 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 15:46:38 -0600
 From: "Lance Morin"  Subject: Inside the cab cage - round or rect. tubing?
 I've got a buddy who has one of those inside the cab cages. They do fit snug and add extra support, but they also have factory disclaimers against roll over type protection. As long as one still has a hard top they are a good idea. I would pad it very well though. The loss of head room is less than desirable. I cannot tell you how many times we've smacked our heads on that cage!
 We just installed an external cage around the cab of this same guys '82 truck. So he now has his factory hard top, inside the cab cage, and  external cage extending from his custom rock bars at the frame. It's a nice rig and looks quite different now. As one would expect, it's not something he totes around on the street in.
 I've got an '81 that we also put a cage in, but my truck previously had the cab whacked off. My cage fits up under the windshield snug, then extends just above where the factory cab would be. This way, I don't have to worry about banging my head. My back hoop is in the bed to allow for more room and it's got legs coming off it just past the wheel wells.
 Our cages were fabbed from 1-1/2 ID round tubing. We originally planned on 2" ID but the 1-1/2 steel was of higher quality and in better shape (IE : no rust).   We each bought 4 sticks at $20.00 per 21 foot stick. Then rented a bender for the weekend ($70.00).  He had a welding machine and everything else we needed, so we went at it.  Two days later, two cages 95 percent done... some cleaning up, finally mounting and coating are all that is left to be done.
 I've worked with both round a square tubing and it's easier to form round tubing to a defined shape. However, I've seen a few rect. tubing cages that were pretty nice. The key factors are the grade of material and the wall thickness. When calling around for steel check on the grade and carbon content if using carbon steel or pipe. If using a D.O.M. type tubing you'll already be good.
 Lance Morin
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 - ------------------------------>Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 19:52:53 -0800>From: "JJ" >Subject: Inside Rollcage>>Does anyone have a Smittybuilt Inside Rollcage installed in their vehicle?>After my friend rolled his 92 4runner this weekend at Dumont dunes, it>concerned me how much the top caved in by the windshield.  I have an 85>xtracab pickup and I saw that Smittybuilt has one available for this truck.>>Are they worth the price?>Does it take up alot of interior room?>Are the sun visors still useful after the install?>Any downsides to having an interior roolcage?
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 Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:43:59 EST
 From: "james stevenson"  Subject: Re: Buggy Springs>While looking around the web for details on 'buggy springs' I found a>site that recommends against using them on the rear Im confused as>to why they make this claim.
 OK let me start my saying I don't recomend them at all for road going
 rides. To put it simply the risks in a failure at highway speeds are too
 great in that if any part of the buggy leaf fails you have a great
 chance of killing yourself. With that said thay are a solution in rock
 crawling where a failure will only result in a broken part not a
 multiple rollover at speed. Getting back to your question the front and
 back axles do function in the same way when the shackles are on the same
 ends of the springs as in the Toy pickups. Allthough the front axle has
 aditional side loads due to the steering. I suspect that they (RMOF)
 were not recomemding them on the rear and on the front with a rear
 shackle only in an attempt to get around the road going problems.
 However if this is a correct assesment I still would not do it myself.
 If you want to go this direction in a search for more travel look at
 double shackles (missing links). These will give near to the same
 aditional travel without the risks and can be pinned to function as
 stock on the roads. I run Doubles (missing link) on TT2 and have also
 replaced the fixed eye mount with another shackle (with accompaning
 links to stop the shackles collapsing) with great sucess. After somthing
 like 200,000Km no failures in the OZ Mountains and Outback.
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 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 14:47:05 -0800
 From: "ScotCo"  Subject: Re: head gasket
 That was I had heard from others. In my case however I called up and my VIN
 is not in the computer as having the problem - ie no head gasket fix under
 warrantee. Anyone else heard that they were selective about this? This is a
 '90 4runner SR5 with v6.
 However, my toy has a newer engine ('91 w/ 53k) that does need its gasket
 replaced, but since I dont own that particular vehicle they wont cover it.
 :(
 Ideas? What are the symptoms of a bad head gasket?
 Currently my engine overheats right away, the needle behaves erratically,
 and when I got home there was a bubbling sound of steam bubbling through the
 coolant overflow reservoir. There was coolant in the radiator when I checked
 after it had cooled down. Needless to say the rig is grounded at home until
 I can figure something out. I'm thinking bad water pump or something to do
 with the head gasket.
 - -scott
 '90 4runner v-6
 - ----- Original Message -----> From: "SSGT ROBERT FRITZ" >> My V-6 is in the shop right now getting the head gasket replaced.  I
 called> the local dealer and they> asked for my VIN number.  Told them and they said "Bring it in for the> repair.  It was covered."
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 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 15:23:57 -0800
 From: "Roger Brown, P.E."  Subject: Re: Badder Brighter Backup Bulbs
 Dick Foster wrote:> I've seen a lot of posts asking about brighter back-up lights.  Here's a web site where you can get 50 watt halogen replacements for 1156 and 3156 types or 1157 dual filament types . They run about $26 a pair. http://www.designtech-intl.com/Product/automotive_section.htm.  I ordered some of the 1156's for my Taco and will post a report when installed.
 I've had a run of bad luck with these bulbs in the past.  First set broke
 between the bulb and the base.  Then had a second set burn out my reverse
 switch (non-Toyota) due to the extra current they draw.
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 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 18:44:14 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time)
 From: bob  Subject: Respond to JJ rollcage
 I have a smittybuilt cage in my 85 fourunner.  It's costly but it fits
 nice and forms well to inside. The tubing is heavy duty.  You lose some
 room and your sun visors are limited to what they can do.
 I flipped my truck once on its side.  It was
 a gentle roll with little damage.  The cage may not have come into play
 but I felt safe while it rolled. This was worth the cost to me. The cage
 is also handy to tie down carge and crazy friends.
 Bob Cohen-- caver
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 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 18:58:46 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time)
 From: bob  Subject: 22re falter
 I have an 85 fourunner. When I hit the gas hard The moter wants
 to die.  If I push down slow it runs fine.  I checked everything.  No codes
 vaccume leaks.  I swapped the TPS and the  MAS no change. I even swapped a
 computer from a friends truck.
 Could a bad EGR system do this?  Could it be the injectors after
 230,000 miles. I tried injector cleaner. No Change.
 I noticed that when it wants to die I sometimes hear the door on
 the MAS slam shut indicating reverse pressure in the intake.  I installed a
 fuel/air meter. It leans out when it wants to die.
 Thanks in advance for any help.
 bob cohen--caver
 85 toy
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 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 18:10:55 -0600
 From: jorrand@edge.net (J Orrand)
 Subject: RE:  Tacoma Towing
 With the 4Cyl you can load about 2000lbs and be ok.  Flat Towing that
 FJ40 should not be a problem for the Tacoma at all.  I would recommend
 putting the FJ40 on a Trailer though to avoid damage to it.
 - -J
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 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 18:16:48 -0600
 From: jorrand@edge.net (J Orrand)
 Subject: Re:  Tacoma Starter
 snip....
 I took to my local toyota shop and was told the contacts were the
 problem  so $140.00  later and at home the same thing.
 snip....
 If you already paid the dealer to fix the problem then they should fix
 it.  A local dealer tried this kind of "guessing" on a problem with my
 Mom's Camry.  After she paid out about $500 she called and asked if I
 would talk to them.  Being nice but firm I pointed out the fact that
 Toyota Techs are ASE certified as the freely advertise, and should be
 able to diagnose and fix a problem on a vehicle they are trained on the
 first time.  After nicely pointing out this problem to the Service
 Manager the problem was corrected with no further charge to my Mom.
 My advise is to take that Taco back down to the dealer and show them it
 still has the same problem and insist they fix it and don't pay another
 penny.
 - -J
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 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 19:23:05 -0500
 From: Agustinus Gunawan  Subject: RE: 22re falter
 Might be the fuel pump is weak.
 It's not producing enough pressure for sudden acceleration but ok for cruising.
 Heavily clogged injectors would not clean with an injector cleaner.
 After 230,000 miles it is a good idea to clean and rebalance the injector.
 Try www.rceng.com or the article at Desember Edition of off-road.com
 - -----Original Message-----
 From:	bob [SMTP:boco@alpha.lehman.cuny.edu]
 I have an 85 fourunner. When I hit the gas hard The moter wants
 to die.  If I push down slow it runs fine.  I checked everything.  No codes
 vaccume leaks.  I swapped the TPS and the  MAS no change. I even swapped a
 computer from a friends truck.
 Could a bad EGR system do this?  Could it be the injectors after
 230,000 miles. I tried injector cleaner. No Change.
 I noticed that when it wants to die I sometimes hear the door on
 the MAS slam shut indicating reverse pressure in the intake.  I installed a
 fuel/air meter. It leans out when it wants to die.
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 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 19:42:21 -0500
 From: mrodg@juno.com
 Subject: Re: How much is a 4Runner tailgate?>Does anyone know prices on 1st gen 4Runner tailgates?  Dealer price, and>junk yard price?
 A guy at work was looking for one a while back to replace his rusted one.
 He checked out the local dealer here and (are you sitting down) it's
 $900 new.  He said his buddy who is a body man could get one for around
 $700.  Don't know if its just the shell or the whole thing.
 Mike Rodgers
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 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 17:56:56 -0700
 From: "Tong, Donald L"  Subject: RE: Badder Brighter Backup Bulbs>> I've seen a lot of posts asking about brighter back-up lights.  Here's a
 web site where you can get 50 watt halogen replacements for 1156 and 3156
 types or 1157 dual filament types . They run about $26 a pair.
 http://www.designtech-intl.com/Product/automotive_section.htm.  I ordered
 some of the 1156's for my Taco and will post a report when installed.> I've had a run of bad luck with these bulbs in the past.  First set broke
 between the bulb and the base.  Then had a second set burn out my reverse
 switch (non-Toyota) due to the extra current they draw.
 I've had a set of these bulbs in my '91 since just after I bought it (9/91).
 I got mine from NWOR, so I don't know if they're the same brand or not.  In
 any case, I've had zero problems with them.
 I mentioned this site in a previous message.  The direct order price is way
 too high.  The same bulbs from the same manufacturer are available at my
 local Pep Boys for $7.00 each.
 Don Tong
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 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 17:08:05 -0800
 From: "Wolf, Dominic"  Subject: Vibration
 Name: Dominic Wolf
 City & State: Sun Valley, NV
 Country: USA
 E-mail address: Dominic.Wolf@splashtech.com
 Toyota (s) year & model: 1992 4runner
 Are you a TLCA Member (Y/N/Number?): N
 Age: 35
 Occupation: Buyer
 Marital Status: S
 Hobbies: 4wheeling, Scuba
 How did you find out about the Toyota 4x4 Mailing List: Web search
 General info about your vehicle, self, etc.:
 116K miles
 4 cyl
 Would appreciate if someone can help regarding excessive vibration of the
 line. Had the vehicle about 1 month, just recently had the fluids all
 changed and didn't really notice it before. Reading some of the earlier
 post, it looks like some of you changed  to a synthetic oil and I'm
 wondering if that would help. I can't really tell if its coming out of the
 rear end or the drive line. Previous owner updated the springs, no rear sag
 and it's a bit lifted. 31 X 10.5 X 15 tires. I can greatly reduce the
 vibrations bit I have to really baby it off the line.
 Please help if you can.
 Thanks
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 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 17:39:45 -0800
 From: "Kenneth Sigel"  Subject: Re: Badder Brighter Backup Bulbs
 I've been running the 50W backup bulbs from NWOR for 7 years without any
 problems.  I think I paid around $50 for both.
 - -----Original Message-----
 Date: Monday, January 25, 1999 3:32 PM
 Subject: Re: Badder Brighter Backup Bulbs>Dick Foster wrote:>> I've seen a lot of posts asking about brighter back-up lights.  Here's a
 web site where you can get 50 watt halogen replacements for 1156 and 3156
 types or 1157 dual filament types . They run about $26 a pair.
 http://www.designtech-intl.com/Product/automotive_section.htm.  I ordered
 some of the 1156's for my Taco and will post a report when installed.>>I've had a run of bad luck with these bulbs in the past.  First set broke>between the bulb and the base.  Then had a second set burn out my reverse>switch (non-Toyota) due to the extra current they draw.
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 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 17:46:05 -0800
 From: "Kenneth Sigel"  Subject: Re: Vibration
 Look at your rear drive line and check for any dents or deep scratches.
 Even a little will cause vibration -- usually at higher speed though.
 Are there any noises along with the vibration?  How fast are you going when
 it happens?
 - -Ken in Reno
 - -----Original Message----->Would appreciate if someone can help regarding excessive vibration of the>line. Had the vehicle about 1 month, just recently had the fluids all>changed and didn't really notice it before. Reading some of the earlier>post, it looks like some of you changed  to a synthetic oil and I'm>wondering if that would help. I can't really tell if its coming out of the>rear end or the drive line. Previous owner updated the springs, no rear sag>and it's a bit lifted. 31 X 10.5 X 15 tires. I can greatly reduce the>vibrations bit I have to really baby it off the line.
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 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 17:41:56 -0800
 From: Jonathan and Shallyn Powers  Subject: Re: Totaled 4 Runner
 the rear axle housing is bent, although I believe the axle shafts are fine.
 Jonathan Powers
 Brian Wiencek wrote:> Do you have any interior parts for your totaled 4Runner?  I'm looking for> a good back seat - in the brown color preferred.  Also how are the axles?>> - brian>> ============================================================================> Toyota 4x4 page: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota
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 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 18:45:30 -0700
 From: "Tong, Donald L"  Subject: CB Radio Sale
 I received this via e-mail.  I have no association with this company, never
 dealt with them, etc.  I only submit this info to the digest because there
 always seem to be a lot of people looking for deals on CB radios.
 About the only really positive thing I can say is that I've got a Uniden 5xx
 and it's been a good unit.
 If the admins prefer that I not forward this kind of info in the future,
 please let me know.
 Thanks,
 Don Tong
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