Toyota 4x4 digest:      Sunday, January 10 1999      Volume 02 : Number 186
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 Re: Timing chain replacement on 22RE
 Re: DOA metal-backed timing-chain guides
 RE: power gains
 New Member Bio - John Stumbaugh
 Need Help with Hubs
 Truck Wanted
 Re: More Q's on 2H/locked hub o
 Re: Which headers are the ones?
 Re: Toyota electric lockers
 Re: 22RE timing
 engine-tranny clunk ??
 RE: ride/accel/panels
 Ignition Install Update
 Re: 22RE timing
 Re: GSMTR Dates
 Re: Toyota electric lockers
 Re: Down Under Outback Trip
 Re: ride/accel/panels
 Snow Storm....
 Electric Lockers
 IFS-non axles
 Personal Bio
 Hollister Hills (long)
 bio
 NEWS FLASH - READ THIS
 Re: Temp Gauge
 Re: Subject: Plat plugs (was: New 4Runner)
 Re: Subject: Plat plugs (was: New 4Runner)
 Parker 400 Az. ??
 Re: engine-tranny clunk ??
 Re: NEWS FLASH - READ THIS
 Re: More Q's on 2H/locked hub o
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 Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 13:09:35 -0800
 From: Jim Brink  Subject: Re: Timing chain replacement on 22RE
 Go to your local dealer and ask if they sell a kit make by Bryco. These
 cost around $100 and have all the needed parts for replacing the timing
 chain. Much cheaper than the OEM parts, but good quality nonetheless.
 Joel_R1@verifone.com wrote:>> Can someone tell me where in the LA or Orange County area is a good place to> get a timing chain kit for a 92  22RE at a good (inexpensive) price?  I've> been searching the archives to no avail. I do recall seeing a price of> around $100.00 or so but I can't remember what company it was. Maybe I was> dreaming.>> Anyway any advice will be appreciated.>> Thanks in advance.>>> Joel Remender>> 92 X-tra cab 4x4, 22RE>> 2" susp. lift, 31" Goodyear's,>> Free Flow Cat, 2&1/4" Cat-Back>> Joel Remender>> 92 X-tra cab 4x4, 22RE>> 2" susp. lift, 31" Goodyear's,>> Free Flow Cat, 2&1/4" Cat-Back>> ============================================================================> Toyota 4x4 page: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota
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 Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 13:44:58 -0800
 From: "Persson Off-Road Systems (Drew Persson)"  Subject: Re: DOA metal-backed timing-chain guides
 I've got a pair in my hand right now. They're pretty substantial, I'd
 say about 1/8" thick steel with rubber vulcanized to the chain contact
 surfaces.  I'll be putting them in today/tonight, so I can't say on the fit
 yet, but they look good so far.  They sure as heck won't be breaking, I can
 say that for sure!  I'll keep you posted, maybe take a few photos for my
 website before I put 'em in.
 Drew Persson
 http://www.jps.net/persson
 From: "Eric Johnson"  Subject: DOA Racing metal-backed chain guides?
 Has anyone here tried these for the 22re? Your thoughts? Any other brand you
 recommend? If I could find all the pieces of this guide I have here I could
 probably tell you one NOT to buy...
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 Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 13:47:08 -0800
 From: "Devin Noel"  Subject: RE: power gains> I wanted to also find out if anyone can reccoment a good after market> alternator.  I have heard that replacing the alternator will increase> spark/power.
 It won't. An alternator is designed to put out a constant 12 volts for the
 vehicle's 12 volt electrical system (actually turns out to be about 13
 volts, but not much more). The Toyota's alternator is rated at about 60 amps
 I believe, and should be sufficient unless you run a large amount power
 hungry accessories (stereo amp, lots of lights etc.)
 Here is how I usually remember electrical terms (compared to standard
 plumbing).
 Volt = water pressure
 Amp = flow (gallons per minute)
 Wire gauge (diameter of pipe)
 Devin Noel
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 Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 05:48:32 -0500
 From: "john stumbaugh"  Subject: New Member Bio - John Stumbaugh
 POST TO THE LIST ONLY>> toy4x4@tlca.org
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 Name:John Stumbaugh
 City & State:Fairfax, VA
 Country:USA
 E-mail address: FJ40@erols.com
 Toyota (s) year & model:77 FJ 40 x2, searching for another Mini (I've owned
 three in the past).
 Are you a TLCA Member (Y/N/Number?):YES 3521 - Capital Land Cruiser Club
 Age: 30
 Occupation: Metal Fabricator, Welder and Mechanic.
 Marital Status: Married
 Hobbies:English Bull Terrier (Dinardo), Toyota 4x4's, Welding, Metal Fab,
 Mountain Biking, Home Renovation.
 How did you find out about the Toyota 4x4 Mailing List: TLCA home page
 General info about your vehicle, self, etc.:  FJ 40, stretched to FJ 45
 chassis specs, 4'' Alcan Springs, looking to get another Mini and looking to
 get to believe it or not, put a mini drive train - engine, axles and all in
 my Land Cruiser.
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 Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 17:56:25 -0500
 From: Bill  Subject: Need Help with Hubs
 Hey!
 Anybody know what manual hubs from a previous year's Toyota would fit
 a 1990 4Runner SR5/V6?
 My current Milemarkers broke a locking spring.
 (the spring that locks the hub,.. not the inner, unlocking spring)
 Also:  are there rebuild kits available for there?
 Bill Miranda
 1990 4Runner SR5/V6
 OME lift
 Dynomax Cat-Back
 Complete K&N setup.
 Fully Synthetic
 31x10.5s
 More to come!
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 Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 06:44:04 -0500
 From: "john stumbaugh"  Subject: Truck Wanted
 Wanted to buy:
 `79 to `85 4x4 Mini truck in good mech. condition with badly rusted and or
 wrecked body/frame.  EFI preferred, but I will take what I can get.   East
 Coast / Mid Atlantic area...Maybe Midwest...But not too far.   I Live in No.
 VA outside of DC, and I'll go as far as 10 hours from DC.   Truck must
 run!!!  Body and frame unimportant.  Pay cash or trade for metal fab-
 bumpers/bullbar,  bed/tray back, nerf bars, Rustoration, roll cage or
 whatever.
 Thanks!
 John Stumbaugh
 703-934-8297
 fj40@erols.com
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 Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 17:36:27 -0600 (Canada Central Standard Time)
 From: kevin  Subject: Re: More Q's on 2H/locked hub o
 what happens when i get stuck in 4h on the highway where i cannot
 stop and back up?  take into account that i am in minnesota, and there are
 occasions where you need to be in 4h on the highway.  also, this is
 similar to the previous question about this subject.  is getting stuck in
 4h a symptom of something that i should start worrying about?
 kevin norton
 university of minnesota, duluth
 department of geology
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 Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 18:59:51 -0500
 From: "Roy Arblaster"  Subject: Re: Which headers are the ones?
 I bought the ones from NWOR mainly because the flange plate that bolts to
 the head is 1/2" and Downy's (at the time) was only 3/8" and there is no
 need for a gasket with the NWOR headers (although I added one anyway). The
 pricing was about the same, don't bother to get the "chrome" ones because
 after a few miles they "blue" out anyways.  Just my $0.02 worth.
 '88 SR5 XTRACAB
 an' other stuff
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 Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 16:15:02 -0800
 From: "Shane Simard"  Subject: Re: Toyota electric lockers
 I don't think so.  There are some modifications that have to be made to the
 axle housing.  Not sure how difficult it is though.
 Shane
 First, thanks for your efforts...
 OK Let me this straight! I have a 94 22re xtracab with stock 4.10s.
 Can I put
 41110-3D090           4.55 (RZN)
 In my truck for $695 ??? + $37 for factory switch (which I assume
 will fit in one of my unused dash switch holes)
 This is a complete, compatible, brand new, electric locking
 thirdmember with gears from Toyota ???!!!???
 I just have to slide axles out, pull third member, replace
 with new and button back up (then change front gears as well of
 course)? Or, is there some machining/adapting required?
 This does almost sound to good to be true!
 I was thinking 4.88 truetrac thirdmembers next fall, but,
 if this is true the brand new toy electirc locker would
 be cheaper! Hard to believe, but if true, I'd probably have
 to get out my credit card (I was going to wait till I had
 the cash in the bank - I don't like borrowing for toys).
 Bud I'm not commiting yet, but, certainly is tempting!
 I currently run 31"swampers, but might go to 32" when
 they wear out - hence a little waffling between 4.56 and 4.88
 gears... I think I'd prefer 4.88s but 4.56's would be OK
 as well I think.
 David knight@atmos.albany.edu
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 Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 19:30:26 -0500
 From: "Roy Arblaster"  Subject: Re: 22RE timing
 Mark & Laura,
 The timing should be 5 deg BTDC with your check connector pins T and E1
 shorted.  Are you down on power?  Is your acceleration sluggish?  It could
 be that you are off a tooth on the timing chain or off a tooth on the
 distributer install. The manual for an '88 22RE states the following:
 - -    Turn the crankshaft pulley until the timing mark is aligned with the 0
 deg TDC (22R) and 5 deg BTDC (22RE - 22R-TE) mark
 - -    Temporarily install the roor
 - -    Begin isertion of the distributor with the rotor pointing upward and
 the distributor mounting hole approximately at center position of the bolt
 hole.
 - -    When fully installed the rotor will rotate to the position shown (OH
 WELL)
 - -    ALIGN THE ROTOR TOOTH WITH THE SIGNAL GENERATOR PICK-UP COIL
 PROJECTION.
 - -    Install and torque the bolt.
 There is a small (excuse the term) tit on the signal generator (pick-up
 coil)  and one on the rotor that need to line up. When you are right the
 rotor should be pointing somewhere around 10:00 O'Clock.
 '88 SR5 XTRACAB
 an' other stuff
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 Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 16:33:24 -0800 (PST)
 From: jman@chevyz28.engr.sgi.com (The J Man)
 Subject: engine-tranny clunk ??
 I bought my '86 4Runner a few months ago, and it had several problems and
 needed some work, so I got it for a bargain.  I did an engine rebuild, so
 that is running great now.  But there are still a few smaller problems
 left.  One of them is a "clunk" that occurs in the lower rpm range for
 a given gear (it's a stick) when I let off the gas to coast down.  Then
 if I step on the gas again, I get another clunk.  As best I can tell, it seems
 like there is some play in there somewhere, so when I take my foot off
 the gas and transistion from having the crank actively accelerating the
 tranny to where the engine is slowing down and the tranny starts holding
 up the rpms, I get a clunk.  Doesn't happen if I hold out the clutch
 and slow down, so it's definitely a tranny-back thing.  Anybody else
 experienced this and/or know what the cause might be?  Is it easy to fix?
 Thanks in advance...
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 Jarrett L. Redd
 jman@sgi.com
 '86 4Runner
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 Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 17:47:16 -0700
 From: Randal Kohutek  Subject: RE: ride/accel/panels>You call those little donuts large ;)
 Compared to a lot of the jeeps running around at school ... =)>Lower the air pressure for starters. Try about 25, different pressures
 for>for different size tires, wheels, weight, etc...
 I run at ~30 psi all the way around right now ... a friend
 suggested,since it's
 winter, to carry ~50 lbs of sand in the bed, and compress the springs
 ... could my
 rear springs me super stiff? Possibly replacement worthy? The Bilsteins
 at my local
 autoshop are mighty attractive ...>That is not that bad, but gears would help.. Get a k&N air filter and a
 free>flow exhaust. Just a tune up with some NGK plugs and a new air filter
 will>help..
 Looked around on the web, and can't find where to order k&n filters
 (www.knfilter.com), and my local Autozone doesn't have 'em ... perhaps
 Checker will.
 Also, I just put in new bosch platinums (not the quad fire cross deal)
 and
 acceleration is a little better ... actually have 4 pistons pulling my
 truck for once
 =)>If the door is still structurally fine, just make some door panels like
 I>did to cover it up.  I took a piece of masonite, added upholstry and
 padding>and hot glued it on to the masonite. Very easy, I even cut a piece of
 some>kind of plywood I had around into a cool shape with speaker cut outs,>routered it and covered it with teh black plastic type upholstry (I
 forget>what that is called but it works good on the bottom of the door cause
 it is>easy to clean.
 So you got some masonite and decked it out to look like a door panel.
 Did
 you just rip off the little mounting spikes and glue that sucker down or
 what?
 And then, for the bottom part of the door, you routered some plywood and
 glued that down? So it's masonite on top, wood on bottom? And vinyl,
 right?
 Groovaay ...
 thanks,
 randal - '82 l/b, 31x10.5 BFGs, big lights, roll bar, lots o' wd-40
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 Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 18:55:07 -0600
 From: "The Fryman Family"  Subject: Ignition Install Update
 The crane hi-6 went in smoothly, and now has LESS radio whine than the stock
 system it replaced.  The only problem is that my factory tach (81 22R) does
 not work.  I thought that the (factory) yellow wire coming off the coil was
 "pulse" for the tack.  Either I was wrong or my tach is toast too.  Does
 anyone have any ideas on how to make my factory tach work?
 Thanks,
 Russ in TN
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 Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 20:05:08 -0500
 From: "Roy Arblaster"  Subject: Re: 22RE timing
 OOPS!!!  I forgot to mention that the timing is 12 - 14 BTDC without the
 check connector pins shorted
 Sorry
 '88 SR5 XTRACAB
 an' other stuff
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 Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 20:10:01 -0500 (EST)
 From: "Karl D. Bellve, Ph.D."  Subject: Re: GSMTR Dates
 On Sat, 9 Jan 1999 Iwheel4x4@aol.com wrote:>>Bummer, looks like I might have to miss it if it is on the weekend of May> 19-23. Maybe I>have to shoot for a much longer trip like to the Rubicon...>> Well, there's always the Catamount Cruiser Challenge, which is more in your> neck of the woods.  But wait...oh yeah...that's a TLCA sanctioned event that> only allows Cruisers.  No 4Runners, no mini's, no Tacomas....and yet it's TLCA> sanctioned.  Hmmm....and I thought that TLCA was for..."all Toyota 4x4s,> except sedan types...".  :-)> Yep, this upset me. The only close event to me and I can't go because I
 have the wrong type of Toyota. So much for membership benefits...
 Cheers,
 Karl Bellve, Ph.D.                   ICQ # 13956200
 Biomedical Imaging Group             TLCA# 7938
 University of Massachusetts
 Email: kdb@molmed.ummed.edu
 Phone: (508) 856-6514
 Fax:   (508) 856-1840
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 Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 20:19:51 -0500 (EST)
 From: "Karl D. Bellve, Ph.D."  Subject: Re: Toyota electric lockers
 On Sat, 9 Jan 1999, David J. Knight wrote:> 41110-3D090           4.55 (RZN)> In my truck for $695 ??? + $37 for factory switch (which I assume> will fit in one of my unused dash switch holes)>> This is a complete, compatible, brand new, electric locking> thirdmember with gears from Toyota ???!!!???
 It appears so. Brand new, already geared. $695 is assuming we get 10
 people ordering the diff. You do have to modify the bolt locations on the
 housing. Use a new gasket to modify it or pay someone. Should be very
 simple to do.
 Cheers,
 Karl Bellve, Ph.D.                   ICQ # 13956200
 Biomedical Imaging Group             TLCA# 7938
 University of Massachusetts
 Email: kdb@molmed.ummed.edu
 Phone: (508) 856-6514
 Fax:   (508) 856-1840
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 Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 12:29:45 EST
 From: "james stevenson"  Subject: Re: Down Under Outback Trip>I sure like to know more about your outback trips.
 Well I go into the outback for two reasons Pleasure and Business.
 Business trips are aimed at doing vehicle testing usually on production
 4wd's. When we test race trucks the trips are a little different in the
 speed and terrain is different.>My wife's idea is to rent a 4WD/Motorhome and travel across the>country.
 I suppose it depends on where you Land in OZ. I have not done the
 Trans-continental Trip for a while (Sydney To Perth) That will take
 about 2 weeks. However I think the best places to go are up the Top End
 like the Kimberley. That's a few thousand Km north of Perth. The drive
 up from Perth will take a few days. The trip from the Kimberley to Alice
 Springs (Ayres Rock) via the Tamami desert and Wolf Creek Crater is
 great too. You will need 2 weeks to do that one too.>What I want to know is how many days your organised trips are, where>we are going to (locations) and best of all, how much $$$.
 Well mine are a bit ad-hock but usually around 4-8 weeks. But remember
 I'm testing vehicles so we are trying to trash  them. I gather by your
 question you are thinking I do Tag-a-long tours. There are lots of those
 operators in Oz most tours take 2 weeks and cost about 2000 Oz on top of
 vehicle hire, but they do include everything else. As far as going with
 me I wont want any money just purchase your share of Booze and food.>I don't know if there are more listers interested to join us
 The more the better. You can get some great deals on LC troopies when
 you are after a few of them. Otherwise if I'm not doing a trip for
 business I have a few truck's LC pickups and wagons, Hilux pickups in
 dual cabs that can be used.
 James Stevenson (TonkaTuf)
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 Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 17:53:23 -0800
 From: "Brandon Miller"  Subject: Re: ride/accel/panels>>You call those little donuts large ;)>>Compared to a lot of the jeeps running around at school ... =)> Yeah, I remeber when I had 31's, then 33's then 36's and now my 35's>I run at ~30 psi all the way around right now ... a friend>suggested,since it's>winter, to carry ~50 lbs of sand in the bed, and compress the springs
 That is even more reason to run low pressure! Go 20, serious. Just try it!>... could my>rear springs me super stiff?
 I doubt it, are they bottoming out?>Possibly replacement worthy?
 Can't get too much softer than stock. Although my Mazdas are and are, you'd
 need a new hanger welded on though.>The Bilsteins>at my local>autoshop are mighty attractive ...
 I think trailmasters are very soft (I got em), or ranchos at 1 (they cost
 more).  Try taking off the rear shocks and see what that does. If your
 springs are that stiff it will ride the same.>Looked around on the web, and can't find where to order k&n filters>(www.knfilter.com), and my local Autozone doesn't have 'em ... perhaps>Checker will.
 They will order em but why don't you just pick up a magazin, tons of places
 carry em out of the magazine (4wheeler, etc..)>Also, I just put in new bosch platinums (not the quad fire cross deal)>and>acceleration is a little better ... actually have 4 pistons pulling my>truck for once
 Actually they won't, those are made for long lasting, not power. Get the NGK
 v plugs. Cheaper and you will feel it more. Get the Bosh if you don't want
 to change your plugs for 10k, otherwise don't (just my opinion)>So you got some masonite and decked it out to look like a door panel.>Did>you just rip off the little mounting spikes and glue that sucker down or>what?
 Got upholstry screws and screwed it on, I hate those clips! I'll have to
 take a pic, it looks nice.>And then, for the bottom part of the door, you routered some plywood and>>glued that down? So it's masonite on top, wood on bottom? And vinyl,>right?
 vinyl covering the wood on the bottom, thick upholstry with padding covering
 the top.>Groovaay ...>thanks,>randal - '82 l/b, 31x10.5 BFGs, big lights, roll bar, lots o' wd-40>>>>>===========================================================================
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 Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 22:24:46 -0500
 From: Bill  Subject: Snow Storm....
 Howdy all...
 We had a snowstorm here in the Northern VA area and it took me 2 hours
 to get to work.
 Not that I had any trouble in the snow, but I wound up pulling a Ford
 Mustang, Mazda Miata, Toyota Tercel, BMW,.. a JEEP WRANGLER and a nice
 little Ford Exploder up a couple of hills!
 The best part was the Exploder,.. The rednecks in it were pissed about
 the Mustang I was pulling,.. about how he shouldn't be in the snow...
 about 1 mile later... on a nice little uphill,.. ran into the
 Exploder.... he couldn't make it up!
 As with all others.. I of course do not charge for the pulls... hey,..
 i'm just building up some good karma... but I must admit... I wish I
 had had a camera with me so I could have someone take pictures of me
 pulling the Exploder and the Jeep up the hills!
 A Personal note:
 While I know peolpe are against Brand-Bashing.. I have personally
 owned a couple of Jeeps... so I think I can talk... CJ style (to
 include TJ, XJ whatever-J) jeeps SUCK in the snow... they are just too
 light.. and most people don't want to put 400-500 lbs of sandbags in
 the back (like p'up drivers) in their yup-mobiles.
 Sorry if this offends the sensibilities of certain people but,.. I can
 talk about them.. I'VE owned them... been there, done that!.. Learned
 to Hate them!
 My 2 cents.
 BTW, anyone have spare manual hubs they'd like to get rid of?
 Bill Miranda
 1990 4Runner SR5/V6
 OME lift, Full K&N intake, Dynomax Cat-back, Full Synthetics,
 31x10.5s, Diff-Breathers, 1.5" chopped bumpstops,
 240 Channel CB with 4" Firestick Antena, GPS System,
 (Had MileMarker hubs... they broke!.. back to A.D.D... Boo Hoo!)
 More Stuff on the way!
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 Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 19:57:48 -0700
 From: David Fritzsche  Subject: Electric Lockers
 Inquiring minds would like to know. Have these electric lockers been put
 to any real acid tests like the Rubicon, Mohab, Fordyce. I have not
 found any articles on how they are holding up. How long have they been
 around and are they a full locker when turned on-like the ARB
 ?Real wheelers are built, not bought?
 David Fritzsche O.R.V.D. Roseville, CA, otto@inreach.com
 1990 V-6 Ex-Cab, Marlin Gear Change, 4:88 Gears, ARB rear, Tru-Trak
 Front, Pro-Comp II, 4? Skyjacker Rear, 8? Rims W/ 33? BFG MT?s, Warn
 8000. Custom made On-Board Air & Tank, Rear Bumper, Skid Plates, Winch
 Mount, CB Mount, & Reworked Smitty-Built Nerfs
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 Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 20:26:56 -0800
 From: "Brandon Miller"  Subject: IFS-non axles
 2 questions
 1 - what is the easiest way to solve the difference in bolt patters in the
 pre 84 to post 84 drivelines to third member mountings.  I'd rather not pull
 the plate unless that is the easiest way..
 2 - what is the difference in length between the ebrake cables between the
 drums so I can make something to extend them.
 thanks
 brandon
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 Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 21:10:17 -0800 (PST)
 From: Steve Kuo  Subject: Personal Bio
 ===========================
 Personal Bio Info
 ===========================
 Name:  Steve Kuo
 City & State:  San Jose CA
 Country: USA
 E-mail address: stevek@arraycomm.com
 Toyota (s) year & model: Don't have one just yet.  Looking at 86-9 4runners
 Are you a TLCA Member (Y/N/Number?): N
 Age: 23
 Occupation: Electrical Engineer
 Marital Status:  Single
 Hobbies: Skiing/Snowboarding, Camping, Computers
 How did you find out about the Toyota 4x4 Mailing List: Looked for a
 4runner list and found this one.
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 Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 21:09:59 -0800
 From: Scott Wilson  Subject: Hollister Hills (long)
 What an awesome day in HH....warm enough leave the jacket in the truck,
 and clear skies.  (Sorry all you guys going through that nightmare in
 other parts of the country).
 We played around in (what I call) the sand pit awhile, then hooked up
 with Kevin Carey and Bruce.  We were already talking about running Tank
 Trap, so we headed to the obstacle course to get a look at it.  As soon
 as we got the obstacle course Kevin jumped right into the Mini Rubicon,
 and breezed right through.
 We walked Tank Trap, and it was gnarly as ever.  After the hike we
 grabbed a frosty beverage out of the cooler and stood around debating on
 whether we'd give it a go today.  This is when we hooked up with Eric
 Stegall.  We were very much considering jumping in, when we got word
 that Bruce had found a wrecked Jeep and could not find the owners, so we
 all ran off in search of this person who had just rolled their Jeep to
 help.  Turns out we while we were searching for the owners, they
 returned to the Jeep.
 Turns out they had rolled it the night before, though with all the
 fluids still dripping from it, it looked like it had just been rolled.
 Amazingly enough the driver didn't get a scratch.  He had leaned back
 under the roll bar, and reached up and braced himself under it.  The
 Jeep rolled over and stopped when the front axle (left tire) caught a
 tree on the way down.  Weird site.  You don't see CJs in trees everday.
 We spent A LOT OF TIME helping them out.  Bruce used his Warn X9000i to
 help free the CJ from the tree.  The owner was the nicest guy, and was
 really not upset about rolling the Jeep.  He was thankful to be alive,
 and realized the Jeep was a hunk of steel that could be replaced.
 AFter that we had a good ol' time running trails that us 'regulars' the
 park had never even been on before.  You get stuck in such a rut of
 taking the same paths to the next big obstacle, since you know you won't
 get lost.  It was nice to see a new part of the park.  Tim's parents,
 and Rey Nicolas both followed all the other locked vehicles, in the
 4Runners with open diffs.  I was TRULY impressed.  Nice driving.
 We then climbed the nasty section of Fremontia going up to Hector
 Heights.  It was MUCH MUCH worse than when we ran that trail 6 weeks ago
 on the Day After Turkey Day Run.  Even with two lockers there was hardly
 any traction to be found.  The loose rock gets under your tires and you
 just sit there and spin.  Myself, Jack Geiger, Kevin Carey, and Bruce
 all completed that section.  Though I would say anyone did it with ease.
 After getting to the top, it was already nearing sunset, but I still
 hadn't given the Mini Rubicon a go, so we all headed for the rocks.  We
 got there and I jumped right in.  Kevin was nice enough to spot me
 through it.  I crawled right through it.  Gave the drivers side nerf one
 BIG WHACK as I was finishing, but other than that it was a smooth run.
 The low end torque from Downey headers REALLY helped out...I wish I had
 done headers sooner!
 Jack Geiger couldn't resist giving it a go before we left, so he jumped
 in.  Piece of cake.  He gave his bumper one nice whack soon after
 entering...and then just crawled right through.  Next Bruce had to give
 it a go.  AFTER ALL, the guys with 33s made it through fine, and he had
 35s on his rig.  :-)  He went right through, and Kevin came through
 again also (in record time I might add :-)  That was the end to our
 day...from there we got our In & Out Burgers and headed home.
 Scott
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 Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 00:02:53 -0800
 From: adams@cs.unr.edu (Brian Adams)
 Subject: bio
 Name: Brian Adams
 City & State: Reno, NV
 Country: USA
 E-mail address: adams@cs.unr.edu
 Toyota (s) year & model: 1989 Xtra-cab PU 4x4 22RE 5-sp
 Are you a TLCA Member (Y/N/Number?): No
 Age: 43
 Occupation: Software Engineer
 Marital Status: Single
 Hobbies: Hunting, shooting, fishing, Mt Bike, ham radio N7DEY
 How did you find out about the Toyota 4x4 Mailing List: web search
 General info about your vehicle, self, etc.:
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 Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 15:59:40 -0800
 From: "John Douglas"  Subject: NEWS FLASH - READ THIS
 G'Day All
 Some of you will be aware that I have been looking into installing a locker
 into the front of my IFS 4Runner but I also wanted and needed to retain ADD
 "shift on the fly".  The only current semi locker units available for the
 IFS 7.5" are the ez, truetrac and lockright but they do not allow the use of
 the full ADD "shift on the fly" feature.  However, my research indicates it
 is not impossible to achieve.
 Part of my research also included discussions with ARB on the use of various
 parts to assist in this excercise.
 However, consequent to several discussions I had with ARB on the lack of an
 "open" locker for the IFS Toyota and the benefits that this would provide to
 wheelers and to many other 4wd users that encountered situations in many
 instances where a locker would be of great benefit, I received a phone call
 from ARB and I believe this news will be welcomed by many.
 "Mr ARB" has now decided he will make it a lot easier and ARB will produce
 an air locker for the Toyota 7.5" IFS.
 Is that great news or what !!!!!!
 However, due to current research and development committments it will not be
 possible to commence R&D on this until at least 5-6months, but all going
 well we could see a front air locker for our IFS Trucks and Runners by years
 end or a little later depending on the complexities. There is a difficulty
 in overcoming the air supply via the needle row bearing for the ADD but I am
 sure this will be overcome by ARB.  I have some ideas on this and will
 discuss with ARB as well as be possibly providing an IFS front assembly for
 R@D purposes.
 I believe many of you will see the benefits of having a "open" centre gears
 in the front of your IFS trucks with the ability to engage or disengage a
 full locker as required and would hope that you will ultimately support ARB
 in their decision to development such a unit.  It will give you many options
 that were not previously available.  You will be able to keep full ADD and
 shift on the fly as per normal, but have the added benefit of a full locker
 being available at the push of a button as is required. Manual hubs could
 still be used.
 Start saving your dollars. I for one can't wait.
 I will keep you posted.
 JD fom OZ
 http://www.ozemail.com.au/~jonhel5/
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 Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 01:31:19 -0800 (PST)
 From: jman@chevyz28.engr.sgi.com (The J Man)
 Subject: Re: Temp Gauge
 Had the same condition in my 22RE.  The thermo was stuck open.  Replacing
 restored the "midway below half" normal temp needle position, with a slight
 rise and fall as it closes and opens.
 Incidentally, you can test yours without the hassle of removing the neck if
 you have a mechanic's stethoscope and a little patience.  Start up and place
 the listening wire on the neck.  When the engine gets nice and warm, you'll
 hear the thermo snap open.  If you never hear it snap open, open her up
 and have a look.  Hope this helps...
 - -Jarrett Redd
 '86 4Runner>> My temp. gauge just barely moves above the cold line .> No matter how far I go during the summer/winter, it only moves a smidgen> above the cold line.> Is this normal? I grounded the sensor but it seems to be fine. Is this> common with the 22rs?>> Charlie> NANCHAR@NII.NET> ============================================================================
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 Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 01:49:20 -0800 (PST)
 From: jman@chevyz28.engr.sgi.com (The J Man)
 Subject: Re: Subject: Plat plugs (was: New 4Runner)
 Another reason not to use "platinum" plugs... they are a big rip-off IMHO.
 First, the electrode is NOT platinum.  It's a copper electrode with a tiny
 little disc of platinum attached (glued?) on.  This has been the case for
 all "platinum" plugs I have seen/used.  There may be exceptions, but I
 doubt it.  To make matters worse, this cheesy little disc tends to detach
 from the plug after 20-30k miles.  100K mile plug?  I doubt it!  When this
 disc comes off, it widens the gap a nice .01" or so.  Nice, eh?  You are
 paying the extra $$ for a tiny sliver of metal that gets blown out your
 exhaust valve a couple miles down the road.  BTW, all my experience with
 these plugs comes from F-Body cars (Camaro, Firebird, etc.)  Could be
 that other applications of "platinum" plugs work just fine.  I'd like to hear
 about it if so.  I'd be amazed...  :)  When I bought my Camaro, it had AC
 Delco platinums in there.  3 of the 8 discs were missing at 15K.  I switched
 to Bosch platinums.  After another 10K, 5 of 8 discs were missing.  I remind
 you again how these plus are SUPPOSED to be 100K mile plugs.  HA!>>>> From: "Ken Flesher">> Subject: Plat plugs (was: New 4Runner)>>>> Leo:>>>>> Don't use any kind of platinum plugs, it will set off the check engine>>> light, not to mention Splitfire plugs too. I learned my lesson.  :-)>>>> ============================================================================> Toyota 4x4 page: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota>> - --
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 Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 10:10:40 -0700
 From: "David Eggleston"  Subject: Re: Subject: Plat plugs (was: New 4Runner)>Another reason not to use "platinum" plugs... they are a big rip-off IMHO.>First, the electrode is NOT platinum.  It's a copper electrode with a tiny>little disc of platinum attached (glued?) on.  This has been the case for>all "platinum" plugs I have seen/used.  There may be exceptions, but I>doubt it.  To make matters worse, this cheesy little disc tends to detach>from the plug after 20-30k miles.  100K mile plug?  I doubt it!  When this>disc comes off, it widens the gap a nice .01" or so.  Nice, eh?  You are>paying the extra $$ for a tiny sliver of metal that gets blown out your>exhaust valve a couple miles down the road.  BTW, all my experience with>these plugs comes from F-Body cars (Camaro, Firebird, etc.)  Could be>that other applications of "platinum" plugs work just fine.  I'd like to
 hear>about it if so.  I'd be amazed...  :)  When I bought my Camaro, it had AC>Delco platinums in there.  3 of the 8 discs were missing at 15K.  I
 switched>to Bosch platinums.  After another 10K, 5 of 8 discs were missing.  I
 remind>you again how these plus are SUPPOSED to be 100K mile plugs.  HA!>>>>>>>> From: "Ken Flesher">>> Subject: Plat plugs (was: New 4Runner)>>>>>> Leo:>>>>>>> Don't use any kind of platinum plugs, it will set off the check
 engine>>>> light, not to mention Splitfire plugs too. I learned my lesson.  :-)>>>>>> I have a set of Autolite Double-Platinums in each of my vehicles. The truck
 has ~20K, the Camry ~60K. Both sets of plugs have been checked recently; all
 electrodes in place, all gaps still correct with no adjustment since
 installation nearly three years ago.
 ==============
 David Eggleston
 Glendale, CO
 '84 X-Cab: supercharged 283 V-8/TH-350
 5" suspension/3" body lift, 38.5" Hawgs
 toy283@mho.net
 ICQ  11394206
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 Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 10:20:44 -0800
 From: Chris.Vallow@wj.com (Chris Vallow)
 Subject: Parker 400 Az. ??
 I was wondering if anyone knew when the Parker 400 will be held. I
 went a few years ago and would like to have my fiance' to experience
 the same fun I had when I was there. Got to love that sweat smell of
 fuel in the air and the awesome sounds they make in the distance and
 when they go by your campsight from down in the wash.
 Oh! What a Feeln'!
 Please reply directly to my Email
 Thanks!
 Chris
 85' x-cab toy. "Rock & Mud toy"
 35" BFG's on 15x10 M/T's
 5:29's , rear locker
 4 1/2" Pro-Comp Suspension lift
 W8274
 Smitty Double/Double
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 Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 14:15:53 -0500
 From: Darren Floen  Subject: Re: engine-tranny clunk ??
 Maybe it has a Detroit locker? ;-)
 Darren
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 Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 11:19:40 -0800
 From: Scott Wilson  Subject: Re: NEWS FLASH - READ THIS
 John Douglas wrote:> "Mr ARB" has now decided he will make it a lot easier and ARB will produce> an air locker for the Toyota 7.5" IFS.> Is that great news or what !!!!!!
 Have our prayers been answered!?!?  If this does make it to
 production...they're gonna sell a TON of them.
 Scott
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 Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 14:25:09 -0500
 From: Darren Floen  Subject: Re: More Q's on 2H/locked hub o
 Kevin,i live in the same part of the country as you,and i know what you
 mean.What i do if i'm slowing down for a light or something,and i want
 to shift from 4hi to 2 hi,is lock up the brakes while holding down the
 clucth and pushing on the shifter.As long as you're on snow,it'll work
 everytime.Since my front brakes will lock a little bit before the
 rears,it seems to be an easy way of relieving driveline bind.
 Darren
 kevin wrote:>>  what happens when i get stuck in 4h on the highway where i cannot> stop and back up?  take into account that i am in minnesota, and there are> occasions where you need to be in 4h on the highway.  also, this is> similar to the previous question about this subject.  is getting stuck in> 4h a symptom of something that i should start worrying about?>> kevin norton> university of minnesota, duluth> department of geology>> ============================================================================> Toyota 4x4 page: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota
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 Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 12:00:52 -0800
 From: "Kenneth Sigel"  Subject: Re: NEWS FLASH - READ THIS
 I'd guess that the ARB would save a lot of CV's.  I never broke a CV until I
 put the Lockright in my front diff.  I still might have a craving for more
 travel though.
 - -Ken
 - -----Original Message----->> "Mr ARB" has now decided he will make it a lot easier and ARB will
 produce>> an air locker for the Toyota 7.5" IFS.>> Is that great news or what !!!!!!>>Have our prayers been answered!?!?  If this does make it to>production...they're gonna sell a TON of them.>>Scott
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 Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 12:19:41 -0800
 From: "Hollis Ferris"  Subject: Re: NEWS FLASH - READ THIS
 - -----Original Message-----
 From: Kenneth Sigel  Date: Sunday, January 10, 1999 11:35 AM
 Subject: Re: NEWS FLASH - READ THIS
 I still might have a craving for more>travel though.
 How could you not, with that ifs Ken!!   :>)
 aren't you planning on the swap also??
 Hollis Ferris
 Black 1988 xtra cab, V6, auto, 4 inch lift,
 33in Dunlop Mud Rovers, rear lockright, blown front end!
 1984 shortbed!! w/Dana 44s! (project... coming next summer)
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