Toyota 4x4 digest:      Sunday, November 1 1998      Volume 02 : Number 163
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 HELP 4.88 gears
 Re: HELP 4.88 gears
 Wheelin in Western PA
 RE: Downey V-6 headers
 RE: Front diff noise
 RE: Manual Hubs
 strange 22re noise identified
 Re: strange 22re noise identified
 Re: strange 22re noise identified
 Rolled My Truck! (Long)
 Re: strange 22re noise identified
 Fixing and Modifying  on my munched 4Runner
 New E-mail
 Re: Downey V-6 headers
 Re: IFS Question
 Re: Manual Hubs
 Re: IFS Question
 Re: Fixing and Modifying  on my munched 4Runner(insurance)
 Re: IFS Question
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 Downey V6 HEADERS
 flipped ball steering arm
 tranny problems
 Was back from being broke
 Re: tranny problems
 Re: IFS Question
 Re: IFS Question
 Re: Was back from being broke
 Re: Was back from being broke
 Re: IFS Question
 Re: tranny problems
 Re: IFS Question
 Basic 4x4 Theory
 broken CV
 Front End Rattle
 annoying valve clatter on 3.0 liter v6
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 Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 05:23:28 +0000
 From: Gary Knuckles  Subject: HELP 4.88 gears
 I put new 4.88 gears in my 90 4Runner. 5 times they (rear) have been removed and reshimmed/seated until the noise is at a minimum. They still have a whine at 50-60 mph and when slowing down there is some noise, not grinding but more like a whine. Will this
 decrease in time, or is it common to have more interior noise when going to these lower gears? These are motive gears, if I decide to get another gear for the rear can ya'll suggest where would be a good source for Richmond gears or which gear to get?
 Toyota does not make a 4.88 for the 90 model, or so  a dealer told me.
 Would anybody that has put the 4.88s in their 4runner relate if they too have an increase in noise, etc. and any details? Feel free to email me.
 Thanks;
 Gary Knuckles
 http://www.budgetware.com/
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 Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 09:47:52 EST
 From: DRM033@aol.com
 Subject: Re: HELP 4.88 gears
 gary@budgetware.com writes:> I put new 4.88 gears in my 90 4Runner. 5 times they (rear) have been removed> and reshimmed/seated until the noise is at a minimum. They still have a
 whine> at 50-60 mph and when slowing down there is some noise, not grinding but
 more> like a whine. Will this>  decrease in time, or is it common to have more interior noise when going to> these lower gears?
 Well, I would say one of two things:
 1.  You got a bad set of gears
 2.  Whoever set them up did not do it right.
 If it was the gears, the installer should have realized that they could not be
 set up within spec.  I would guess that your installer did not do it right.  I
 had a set of 4.88's from Motive put in the rear of mine last time around and
 they don't make a sound.
 It sounds like they set a poor coast pattern, but I reallly am no expert on
 gear setup.
 David
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 Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 11:48:08 -0500
 From: mrodg@juno.com
 Subject: Wheelin in Western PA
 Ok, I am starting to get really jealous of you guys in California and out
 west with all your wheeling trips.  I know there are some guys from
 Western PA on the list.  If you would e-mail me and tell me where your
 from, where you like to wheel and what kind of wheeling you do, My
 brother in law and I would love to get together sometimes.   I am in
 Butler, PA (30 miles north of Pittsburgh).  I don't do much wheeling as
 locally all we have is trails that my bro-in-law can go on in his stock 2
 wheel drive.  (I won't say the make, but  I try to talk him into a Toy
 4x4)  My truck is also almost stock with IFS.  The trails I ride on,  I
 don't need 4wd.  So if you are from West PA, e-mail me, I'd love to meet
 some Toyota fanatics in person.
 Mike Rodgers
 MRodg@Juno.com
 136,000 miles young
 2.25"SS exhaust
 1.5" Downey Shackles
 120 channel CB w/ K40
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 Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 12:33:03 -0500
 From: "Ken Flesher"  Subject: RE: Downey V-6 headers
 Patrick:
 Can you be a little more specific? I know the install is a b***h, but what
 is it about them that you like? Is there a noticable improvement in power?
 Are you running them with the stock exhaust & cat?
 Where do you guys buy this stuff? Performance wants $478 for the complete
 set, that seems a bit much.
 Thanks, sorry for all the "newbie" questions...
 - -KLF
 '92 4Runner SR5 V6> Have 'em.  Hated the install, still loving the result.>> Patrick Skelley
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 Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 12:33:00 -0500
 From: "Ken Flesher"  Subject: RE: Front diff noise
 Sort of along the same lines, I'm wondering about the bushings in the
 steering knuckles - how often should they be pulled, checked, and repacked?
 I had my rotors off a couple of weeks ago, but didn't have the tool or time
 to go further. Mine have never been apart (140K miles), but I don't go into
 mud.
 - -KLF
 '92 4Runner SR5 V6> Does anyone know how warm the front diff should be after driving about> 45 miles?  I have a 92 w/v6 and the ADD front end.  It has developed a> growl when it`s not in 4 wheel drive.  Someone has a site with info on> this front diff. I would like to get the address. There is also a vibr> ation in the front end. Any info that mite help would be great. E-mail> me dirrect. Thanks.>> Ken> stricklin@tomah.com
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 Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 12:32:59 -0500
 From: "Ken Flesher"  Subject: RE: Manual Hubs
 OK, this is what I thought. It makes even more sense when the t-bars are
 cranked. Where is a good place to get these Warn kits? The only catalog I
 have is Performance Products, and most of their stuuf seems way overpriced.
 I'll probably wait until spring to do this conversion, keeping the ADD hubs
 for one more winter season of New England weather. Thanks...
 - -KLF>>Can someone explain to me why this is often done? I've looked at the guts> of>>both hubs (used to have an '85 4Runner), and I can't see that the manual>>hubs are any sturdier than the ADD ones. I am considering doing this, but>>only for the reason that I don't like having my front axles> "live" all the>>time.>>> I think that is the reason most of us switched.  To save wear and tear on> the cv shafts and related components that were always turning with the ADD> hubs.  Especially when the t-bars are cranked.
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 Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 14:45:07 EST
 From: Dirty4Runr@aol.com
 Subject: strange 22re noise identified
 I pulled the valve cover today and discovered the chain tensioner on the
 exhaust side is missing.  Intake side seems to be ok and tight.  So how bad is
 this really?  Costly to fix?  What happens if i let it go?  Thanks
 Kevin
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 Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 12:20:22 -0800
 From: "Brandon Miller"  Subject: Re: strange 22re noise identified
 there is only one tensioner !??
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 From:  To:  Date: Saturday, October 31, 1998 11:50 AM
 Subject: strange 22re noise identified>I pulled the valve cover today and discovered the chain tensioner on the>exhaust side is missing.  Intake side seems to be ok and tight.  So how bad
 is>this really?  Costly to fix?  What happens if i let it go?  Thanks>>Kevin>>===========================================================================
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 Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 17:25:01 EST
 From: Dirty4Runr@aol.com
 Subject: Re: strange 22re noise identified
 In a message dated 98-10-31 15:16:01 EST, you write:
<> Doh!  My mistake.  So the exhaust side is supposed to be loose while the
 intake side stays tight?  When i looked down in there, there was a piece of
 material down by the sprocket on the crank; it didn't look like it was
 supposed to be there, so i poked it with a coat hanger.  When i did that, the
 chain deflected a little bit and i realized it was really loose.  Now that i
 think about it, maybe i meant one of the guides was missing, could that be
 what im thinking of?
 Kevin
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 Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 17:55:56 -0600
 From: "Scotti, Chris L."  Subject: Rolled My Truck! (Long)
 Well the inevitable finally happened.  It just happened in a way I never
 expected.  After all the wild places I have taken my truck and the off
 camber situations I have been in, I rolled my '95 4Runner on a freakin' dirt
 road!!!
 I was near Taylor, TX on my way home from Austin to College Station last
 night with my friends, Antonio & Suzanne, and we were taking the dirt
 backroads (Following my GPS). I wasn't even driving, I was in the pasenger
 seat and my friend was driving.  She took a corner a little fast and it
 started to fishtail.  Her instinctive reaction was to slam on the breaks and
 turn AWAY from the skid!  This forced us to do a 180 and launched us into a
 diagonal roll backwards sending the front end into the air and smahing down
 onto the passenger side roof (right over my head). The truck actually
 continued to roll all the way back onto its tires facing almost the same
 direction we started in!!!  My friends and I are bruised up but fine.  I
 bumped my head where the roof caved in and went to the hospital and got some
 x-rays.  Nothing but a bump and bruise.  What I can't believe is the
 (relatively) minimal amount of damage that I did to my truck (and to my
 head).  Like I said the roof is pretty munched, especially in the drivers
 side rear where we started the roll and the passnger side front.  The
 windsheild was cracked up but you can still see through the drivers side.
 Both rear side windows are gone.  The rear window is perfect but has trouble
 rolling up in the bent rails.  The passenger side is fairly munched but the
 doors open and close (both windows are gone & the mirror).  The drivers side
 is almost pristine, the drivers side back door window is cracked up but the
 drivers' is fine.  The mirror is even still on!  The spare flew around in
 the back and smashed one of my Subwoofer boxes and my arb compressor(I think
 the solenoid is leaking).  The lightbar is gone off the top, the roof rack
 is crushed and we got mud in 1 tire bead.
 What makes this so ridiculous is that we drove the truck home 1.5 hours and
 all we had to was stop once to change the leaking tire. We did not even call
 the police or a tow truck.  The truck drives fine, apparently no mechanical
 problems and it is even in alignment!!!!  In fact we are think about
 dressing up as car crash victims tonight and going to a couple costume
 partys with my truck as part of the costume!!!  On a more serious note,  I
 went ahead and called my insurance thismorning but I believes Suzannes' will
 cover it since she was driving.  Well,  following my tradition I will
 probably not make all the reccommended repairs that the adjuster says and I
 already have a few mods in mind (such as a convertible top).  Regardless, my
 truck will be out of commission for quite a while.  This accident could have
 been so much worse and I thank God that none of us is seriously injured.
 I will be sure to get some pics up on the web for all to see as soon as I
 can.
 Happy Haloween!
 Chris Scotti
 cscotti@cwcomp.com
 95' Green & Chrome 4Runner w/4" Procomp lift and 33"M/T's
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 Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 16:05:28 -0800
 From: "Brandon Miller"  Subject: Re: strange 22re noise identified
 The guides are different lengths, I bet they are worn - I wore all the way
 through mine.  If you do not replace the tensioner and guides the chain will
 wear through the cover..
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 From:  To: ;  Date: Saturday, October 31, 1998 2:30 PM
 Subject: Re: strange 22re noise identified>In a message dated 98-10-31 15:16:01 EST, you write:>><>>>>Doh!  My mistake.  So the exhaust side is supposed to be loose while the>intake side stays tight?  When i looked down in there, there was a piece of>material down by the sprocket on the crank; it didn't look like it was>supposed to be there, so i poked it with a coat hanger.  When i did that,
 the>chain deflected a little bit and i realized it was really loose.  Now that
 i>think about it, maybe i meant one of the guides was missing, could that be>what im thinking of?>>Kevin>>===========================================================================
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 Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 18:44:16 -0600
 From: "Scotti, Chris L."  Subject: Fixing and Modifying  on my munched 4Runner
 Well since I will be putting my truck in the shop for a while starting on
 monday I thought I would try and get some input on how to handle a few
 planned mods and things. (See my earlier post for damage description.
 Insurance:  I already reported to my insurance but I was not driving.  I
 honestly hope hers covers it so I can get a rental car.  I dont want to
 screw her over though as she is a friend.
 Roof:  This is a big one.  I think it will be cheaper just to chop the roof
 at this point.  I have always wanted a convertible 4runner (ala pre-1990
 4Runners).  I would like to put on a soft top but I want a good snap on
 waterproof one.  I obviously will have to get a roll cage too.  This is 4
 door so it will be a little different.  I also would like to preserve my
 rear power window (maybe it could slide into the rear piece of the roll
 cage).
 Rear Bumper:  I want a small one (maybe chrome) that maximizes departure
 angle.
 Compressor: My ARB air compressor was ruined.  I want to get a more powerful
 one and mout it where the spare used to be carried.  I dont want it to be
 ruined by mud though.
 Paint:  I want to put some kind of smooth bedliner type stuff on the outside
 of the truck in lieu of paint.  Durabak is good and they have a close color
 but it is lumpy.  I heard there is a smooth rubber sealant out there that
 almost looks like paint and bonds to itself for easy repairs.
 Alternator: This does not relate to the wreck but my truck really needs an
 HO alternator.  My lights and stereo suck my Optima battery dry.  Power
 Welders are great but expensive.  Any other Ideas?
 I also either will need another roof rack (attaches to rollcage through soft
 top) or a good bumper spare carrier.
 I certainly appriciate any advice you could give!
 Thanks,
 Chris Scotti
 1995 Smooshed Green $ Chrome Toyota 4Runner w/ 4" Procomp Lift & 33" M/T's
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 Date: 31 Oct 98 18:05:58 PST
 From: David Fritzsche  Subject: New E-mail
 Name: David Fritzsche
 City Roseville, CA 95747
 Country: USA
 E-mail address: rokcrawler@netscape.net
 Toyota (s) year TLCA Member (Y/N/Number?): Y #8056
 Age: 53
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 General info about your vehicle, self, etc.:
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 Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 18:20:24 -0800
 From: Scott Wilson  Subject: Re: Downey V-6 headers
 Ken Flesher wrote:>> Patrick:>> Can you be a little more specific? I know the install is a b***h, but what> is it about them that you like?
 The emissions fittings are known for not being fun....and the passenger
 side flange needs a bit of trimming.>Is there a noticable improvement in power?
 oooooohhhh yyyeah.   Definately noticable.> Where do you guys buy this stuff? Performance wants $478 for the complete> set, that seems a bit much.
 You can buy them directly from Downey also.   Call them for a
 catolog....they sell TONS of different stuff.....all for Toys.
 (562)949-9494
 I got my header AND my cat from Downey.  It's a Car Sound cat with 2.5"
 flanged inlet & outlet.
 The exhaust (including cross over) I had done custom at a local shop.
 Scott
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 Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 19:50:01 -0800
 From: Hollis Ferris  Subject: Re: IFS Question
 David Fritzsche wrote:>> Are you guys that are having all of the trouble with breaking stuff> running with a lot of crank up in your T-bars.
 Yes I run them cranked all the way to the bumpstops and im sure that puts
 a lot of stress on the cv's>> I am gust wondering if the cranked T-bars is the problem? If it is why> not just un-crank them.
 I need the clearance for my 33's, and I all ready have it aligned to
 acomodate the cranked bars, I know, lame excuse for a lift
 Hollis Ferris
 88 xtra cab
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 Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 22:02:52 -0800
 From: "Tim Brewers"  Subject: Re: Manual Hubs
 Pretty much everyone carries Warn products.  Look through your catalogs to
 learn the difference between the products and get a little info.  Then you
 could probably go to your local auto parts store and buy them or look in the
 back of a 4x4 magazine and call around to see who has the cheapest prices.
 I've heard that Warn has very good customer service if you ever need it.>OK, this is what I thought. It makes even more sense when the t-bars are>cranked. Where is a good place to get these Warn kits? The only catalog I>have is Performance Products, and most of their stuuf seems way overpriced.>>I'll probably wait until spring to do this conversion, keeping the ADD hubs>for one more winter season of New England weather. Thanks...
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 Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 20:17:19 -0800
 From: "Kenneth Sigel"  Subject: Re: IFS Question
 Hey Hollis --
 I tried cranking my Tbars way up (about .5 inch to the bump stop) after I
 installed my Rancho arms.  I found that I got more clearance under the front
 end, but I didn't get much wheel travel.  The Tbars made the front end so
 stiff, it couldn't flex on the rocks.  I kept pulling tires everytime I went
 over the rocks or anything else.  After resetting the Tbars to a more
 moderate lift, I got a way better ride and my truck flexes as good as it's
 going to get for IFS.  I'm able to fit 34's with just a little rubbing when
 I'm all twisted up.  I was able to fit 32x11.50 BFG Mudders too.  With a
 different offset, I'd probably be able to fit 33's -- with NO body lift.
 I'll probably go to a one inch body lift at some point so I can mount my new
 rocksliders to the frame easier.  I'd also like to clear 35's...  which
 might be a trick, but I'll see what I can do.
 Ken
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 From: Hollis Ferris  Subject: Re: IFS Question>David Fritzsche wrote:>>>> Are you guys that are having all of the trouble with breaking stuff>> running with a lot of crank up in your T-bars.>>Yes I run them cranked all the way to the bumpstops and im sure that puts>a lot of stress on the cv's> Hollis Ferris> 88 xtra cab> 84 shortbed
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 Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 22:11:06 -0800
 From: "Tim Brewers"  Subject: Re: Fixing and Modifying  on my munched 4Runner(insurance)
 Chris Wrote>Insurance:  I already reported to my insurance but I was not driving.  I>honestly hope hers covers it so I can get a rental car.  I dont want to>screw her over though as she is a friend.
 Just to let you know Chris, I had a similar thing happen to me.  What my
 (and her) insurance companies said is that because I was in the vehicle and
 gave her permission to drive,  it is just like I was driving myself.  So my
 insuance ended up paying the bill.  Your insurance might be different, but I
 thought I would warn you just in case.  Good Luck.
 Tim
 '89 v-6
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 Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 22:01:48 -0800
 From: Chris Geiger  Subject: Re: IFS Question>I need the clearance for my 33's, and I all ready have it aligned to>acomodate the cranked bars, I know, lame excuse for a lift
 Do a body lift it's cheep. If you can't afford $100 for a body lift then
 you should not be wheeling or putting 33" tires of your truck.
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 Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 00:19:52 -0800
 From: Jonathan Powers  Subject: bio>> Sorry it took so long guys....>> ===========================> Personal Bio Info> ===========================>> POST TO THE LIST ONLY>> toy4x4@tlca.org> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++>> Name:Jonathan Powers>> City & State:Sacramento, CA>> Country: USA>> E-mail address:powersjs@earthlink.net>> Toyota (s) year & model:1985 Toyota 4runner and 1984 Toyota Camry>> Are you a TLCA Member (Y/N/Number?):N>> Age:22>> Occupation:Investment Specialist for Wells Fargo Securities, Inc.>> Marital Status:Married with one daughter and another I don't know what
 on the way.(My> wife wouldn't let me find out)>> Hobbies:4 wheelin, camping, biking, running, computers, video games,
 heck I'm just one> big kid!>> How did you find out about the Toyota 4x4 Mailing List: Off-road.com>> General info about your vehicle, self, etc.:I at one time owned a 1992
 Toyota p/u> x-cab v6 and was on a mission to build it to handle the Rubicon.  I
 was planning on> going Memorial day weekend.  But there was still ten feet of snow up
 there, so It gave> me some time to think.  My life was changing.  I had a wife, a 12
 month old daughter,> and another on the way.  Also, I was learning more and more about what
 my truck could> handle and what it couldn't handle.  So, I thought the best thing for
 me to do was to sell my truck and buy a late> model 4runner
 before I destroyed my p/u by taking it through the Rubicon.  The 4runner
 suits my needs.  Its> durable,has 4 seats, good gas
 mileage, and best of all, it flexes like heck!  That is of course after
 I was> finished with it.  So, I bought my 85 4runner in July and was on a
 mission to make it> rubicon ready before snowfall.  And I did just so. I made it through
 the whole rubicon> the weekend of October 2nd.  If you want to check it out, its at:> http://www.pirate4x4.com/brandon and go to sisterwhisky's ride.
 Here's the specs:
 Front end is combination of stock toyota main leafs and 4" trailmaster
 leafs with 2.5
 shackles
 Rear end is a 1993 chevy k1500 spring swap with 2.5" shackles
 Lockers front and rear
 Rancho RS 9000's on all fours
 JP Eater Dual transfer case
 35x12.50 Mud Kings on 15x8.5 centerline h/t cast rims
 Motive 5.29:1 ring and pinion
 Stainless steel brake lines
 Dropped drag link
 SR5 gauges
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 Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 01:16:32 -0800
 From: Scott Wilson  Subject: Downey V6 HEADERS
 I'm pleased to announce that the Downey V6 header review is now
 availible.  It can be viewed at...
 http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota/reviews/v6_headers/
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 Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 23:33:06 EST
 From: "james stevenson"  Subject: flipped ball steering arm>Was just wondering how do you do this (exactly)
 First up remove the OEM draglink and steering arm. Using a press remove
 the stock ball. Go out and purchase a straight draglink from another
 truck which has replaceable ends, like the LC40-78. Purchase a set of
 draglink ends. The kit will come with a couple of bolt on balls. Most of
 the balls are a taper fit so you will need to either drill out the taper
 on the steering arm slightly or machine the taper on the ball. Bolt on
 the ball using the supplied castle nut and install the split pin.
 Reinstall the steering arm. As the ball is now flipped the stock
 draglink will not fit, because one end is 180deg out. Take the draglink
 you purchased and remove both draglink ends. One end will have a
 clockwise thread the other anti-clockwise. Centre the steering arm and
 pitman arm. Now measure the distance between the balls. Cut down the
 draglink to the measured length, assuming that that ends are screwed in
 half way. Remember to cut the end that has the clockwise thread.
 Clockwise taps are heaps cheaper so it makes sense to cut that end down.
 Tap the draglink for the correct thread and assemble the ends into the
 draglink. Install the draglink and tighten the clamps. Now you need to
 relocate the Torque arm up 3.5in to compensate for the change in the
 ball centre. You can do this a few ways. This simplest is to get the
 Superlift bracket and bolt it on. Otherwise you can weld on a plate on
 either side of the axle mount to relocate the bracket up. The easy way
 to align the plates before you weld is to leave the torque arm in place
 and bolt it up to the plates as if they have been welded in. Now align
 the plates on the axle an tack them on. Remove the torque arm and weld
 them in, then reinstall the torque arm. Now take the truck for a run up
 the street, if the steering is out loosen the clamps and turn the
 draglink to adjust the steering centre, then tighten the clamps. Repeat
 this bit till the steering is centred.>Is it as safe/strong after modification as stock?
 Well it a hell of a lot safer than heating the steering arm up. The
 1st/2nd gen steering arms are prone to braking under stress due to age
 anyway, it makes no sense to weaken them by heating them up. Regardless
 of how slow you let it cool the arm will be weaker. It just depends on
 how much weaker due to the heat, rate of bending, type of bending and
 cooling rates. The new draglink is heaps stronger than the OEM unit.
 Also as it is a straight unit is not prone to bending. Overall stronger
 than stock with better alignment, of course a crossover is better but
 that's another issue.
 James Stevenson (TonkaTuf)
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 Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 08:43:52 -0700
 From: Tony Bartlett  Subject: tranny problems
 Well, I removed and disassembled my tranny yesterday.  Looks like I got
 lucky that I made it back the 750 miles from South Dakota.
 Found the input shaft bearing missing about 5 balls from it.  Everything
 else was looking good. It looked like all I would have to do is replace
 the bearings, all of them because of all the metal that was in the oil.
 Also was lucky because there were some big chunks of leftover bearings
 and the cage that holds them in place.
 But, someone noticed a couple of chipped teeth that I had missed.  The
 bad thing is these teeth were on the countershaft, the most expensive
 part of most trannys.
 So, now my options are finding a countershaft and rebuilding what I
 have, find a used tranny or try and fit this NV4500 I have.  Right now I
 will see how much I can find a countershaft for, find out how much it
 will cost for the bearing kit and compare that to a used tranny and to
 the adapters needed for the NV4500 install.  Also, there will be much
 needed modifications to the tranny tunnel to fit the NV4500 (very big
 tranny).
 Just thought I would let everybody know my findings.
 Toyota Tony
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 Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 09:37:15 -0800
 From: "Todd and Terry Steele"  Subject: Was back from being broke
 Kenneth Sigel wrote:  I just love to show off and how better than
 rockcrawling with IFS?
 Just got back from vacation and saw this thread and had to respond.  When I
 went to the Toy List Rubicon run, I had a non-list member make a comment
 after seeing my truck as to how many bypasses I would be taking.  "Not a
 one" is the standard answer for me.  Yes, I drive an IFS, wheel it hard, and
 (knock on wood) haven't broken a hard part yet.  I do gather some body
 damage on occasion which is more me than anything else.  A lot has to do
 with the setup.  That's one of the primary reason for my skinny tires, they
 slip before things break.  So, if you want to go to a straight axle, do so.
 If you want to run IFS, do so.  Just look at the whole vehicle package.
 My $.02
 Todd
 His:  87 Toyota 4X4, Marlin Tcase #180, EZ Lockers F/R, Warn MX8000, Custom
 rear bumper and nerfs, Ramsey F bumper, Trailmaster/Superlift 4", 33-9.5 BFG
 MT's.  Custom Body by Sierra Nevada.
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 Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 09:01:48 -0700
 From: daves8@juno.com
 Subject: Re: tranny problems
 OR, what I see as an obvious alternative---
 Install a new input shaft bearing and see how long the counter gear
 lasts.  Could last quite a while, but this would depend on the amount of
 damage.  Fairly small chips shouldn't be too bad.
 Comments, guys?
 Dave Schoenberg, Arvada, Colorado-----Who else gives advice like this???
 '81 Toy/'86 EFI engine/5-spd/xfer--an' I did it all myself, with NO
 Liquid Nails!!
 DaveS8@Juno.com
 On Sun, 01 Nov 1998 08:43:52 -0700 Tony Bartlett
 writes:>Well, I removed and disassembled my tranny yesterday. Found the input
 shaft bearing missing about 5 balls from it.>Everything else was looking good. ........except chipped teeth on the
 countershaft gear......>>So, now my options are finding a countershaft and rebuilding what I
 have, find a used tranny or try and fit this NV4500 I have.  etc,
 etc,....
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 Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 11:58:55 -0800
 From: Hollis Ferris  Subject: Re: IFS Question
 Chris Geiger wrote:>>>I need the clearance for my 33's, and I all ready have it aligned to>>acomodate the cranked bars, I know, lame excuse for a lift>> Do a body lift it's cheep. If you can't afford $100 for a body lift then> you should not be wheeling or putting 33" tires of your truck.
 Chris, I really dont appreiciate you telling me (or anyone else) that I
 should not be wheeling for the simple fact that somebody cant afford a
 body lift? F.Y.I: I do have a 2 inch body lift and my tires still rub.
 For you to tell someone they shouldent be on the trail cause their not as
 wealthy as you are is pathetic.>> ============================================================================> Toyota 4x4 page: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota
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 Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 11:59:13 -0800
 From: Hollis Ferris  Subject: Re: IFS Question
 Chris Geiger wrote:>>>I need the clearance for my 33's, and I all ready have it aligned to>>acomodate the cranked bars, I know, lame excuse for a lift>> Do a body lift it's cheep. If you can't afford $100 for a body lift then> you should not be wheeling or putting 33" tires of your truck.
 Chris, I really dont appreiciate you telling me (or anyone else) that I
 should not be wheeling for the simple fact that somebody cant afford a
 body lift? F.Y.I: I do have a 2 inch body lift and my tires still rub.
 For you to tell someone they shouldent be on the trail cause their not as
 wealthy as you are is pathetic.
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 Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 11:16:27 -0800
 From: "Kenneth Sigel"  Subject: Re: Was back from being broke
 Thanks for the post, Todd.  It's nice to hear I'm not the only one who
 wheels my IFS hard and hasn't broken...  in fact, I wheel harder than a lot
 of solid axle trucks that I know.
 - -Ken
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 From: Todd and Terry Steele  Subject: Was back from being broke>Kenneth Sigel wrote:  I just love to show off and how better than>rockcrawling with IFS?>Yes, I drive an IFS, wheel it hard, and>(knock on wood) haven't broken a hard part yet.>My $.02>Todd
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 Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 11:17:12 -0800
 From: "Kenneth Sigel"  Subject: Re: Was back from being broke
 - -----Original Message-----
 From: Todd and Terry Steele >Custom Body by Sierra Nevada.
 Me too, Todd.  : )
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 Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 11:33:29 -0800
 From: "Kenneth Sigel"  Subject: Re: IFS Question
 I think Chris just meant that anyone in general should not be wheeling if
 they don't have $100 bucks to spare.  I'd have to agree with him.  He didn't
 mean that you have to have already made your first million like me.  Don't I
 wish.  : )
 What's the offset of your wheels, Hollis?  Do you have 8 or 10" rims?  I'm
 guessing that with a more negative offset wheel, you won't rub much at all.
 Keep in mind that I'm running about 2.5" lift, no body lift, and 34x9.50's
 without rubbing except when I'm all twisted up.
 Oh, you're running low profile bump stops...  that would cause some rubbing.
 I went back to the stock stops since I don't need any more upward travel.  I
 tuck my tires as far as they'll go.  I just need 6 more feet of downward
 travel!!!
 - -Ken
 - -----Original Message-----
 From: Hollis Ferris >For you to tell someone they shouldent be on the trail cause their not as>wealthy as you are is pathetic.
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 Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 09:01:48 -0700
 From: daves8@juno.com
 Subject: Re: tranny problems
 OR, what I see as an obvious alternative---
 Install a new input shaft bearing and see how long the counter gear
 lasts.  Could last quite a while, but this would depend on the amount of
 damage.  Fairly small chips shouldn't be too bad.
 Comments, guys?
 Dave Schoenberg, Arvada, Colorado-----Who else gives advice like this???
 '81 Toy/'86 EFI engine/5-spd/xfer--an' I did it all myself, with NO
 Liquid Nails!!
 DaveS8@Juno.com
 On Sun, 01 Nov 1998 08:43:52 -0700 Tony Bartlett
 writes:>Well, I removed and disassembled my tranny yesterday. Found the input
 shaft bearing missing about 5 balls from it.>Everything else was looking good. ........except chipped teeth on the
 countershaft gear......>>So, now my options are finding a countershaft and rebuilding what I
 have, find a used tranny or try and fit this NV4500 I have.  etc,
 etc,....
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 Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 13:04:27 -0800
 From: Chris Geiger  Subject: Re: IFS Question>I think Chris just meant that anyone in general should not be wheeling if>they don't have $100 bucks to spare.  I'd have to agree with him.
 Yep that's what I ment. If $100 is a major thing to you than it's going to
 be real painfull when a ring and pinion lets go.
 - --
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 Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 14:36:10 +0000
 From: "shaun"  Subject: Basic 4x4 Theory
 This one will probably sound like questions on an essay contest! I
 dont completely understand a few basic 4x4 theories well enough to
 explain them to a non wheeler.  So, thought I'd ask the experts out
 there...
 1.  What are the differences between "All Wheel Drive" and " Full
 Time 4WD".  Is the FJ-80 really Full Time 4WD?
 2.  From what I understand, because of the differential mechanism
 inside of the transfer case on an All Wheel Drive vehicle, if any one
 wheel on the vehicle looses traction and spins out, then the vehicle
 is stuck.  Is this true?
 3.  Does a Full Time 4WD vehicle ALSO have this sort of differential
 mechanism inside of its transfer case?  If so what makes it possible
 to get some torque/power to both axles?
 4.  Does a Part Time 4WD system such as the one on my 88 4Runner have
 any mechanical means of allowing the front and rear axles to spin at
 different speeds or is this the reason why you should only use the
 4WD when the wheels can slip?
 5.  My Dad's FJ-80 has lockers on each axle and on the center.  Would
 this behave the same as a locker on each end of my 4Runner?  Why is
 it that the owner's manual on the FJ-80 states that the vehicle, when
 completely locked up, should not go over 5 -7 mph when other lockers
 can be used even for high speed mud bogging?  What's the difference
 here?
 Like I wrote, sounds like the making of an essay contest, but I
 think there is a lot of confusion out there about these concepts
 cause every time I ask one of my four wheelin friends, they don't
 seem to fully know the answers.  Thanks.
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 Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 15:03:17 -0800
 From: "Kenneth Sigel"  Subject: broken CV
 By the way...  I still didn't have to get pulled after breaking the CV.
 Three wheel drive works pretty well.  : )
 - -K
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 Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 11:30:51 +1100
 From: Kevin Tyrrell  Subject: Front End Rattle
 While driving on rough tracks over the weekend, I noticed a clear "rattle"
 comming from the front end.
 It appears to be worse with front hubs engaged, but travelling in 2WD,
 between those places needing 4WD.
 The vehicle is a '95 V6 4runner with standard front end setup.
 Any experiences from other owners would be greatly appreciated.
 Kevin Tyrrell
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 Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 19:48:49 EST
 From: MikeG135@aol.com
 Subject: annoying valve clatter on 3.0 liter v6
 I have an annoying valve clatter. Maintenaince is kept up(plugs, wires,
 distributor, rotor,even have a jacobs omni pak) all new, timing is only 2
 degrees advanced, catalytic is OK, using high octane gas.
 any suggestions or people with similiar problems?
 Mike Grzeskiewicz
 1994 t-100 4x4
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 Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 19:07:15 -0600
 From: michael  Subject: Superlift
 Well my 4.5" Superlift has been a SUPER pain in the ass to install.  I'd
 hoped my buddy and I could do it all (front and rear prings) in a full day.
 I don't know what I was smoking.  The front is done except for getting the
 torque rod back in......the eyes are about 1/2" too short to bolt up at both
 ends (which I was told would not be a problem.)  I'm gonna try putting the
 front tires against a curb and give some slight pressure (gas pedal) while
 my friend slips the bolt in....hopefully.  Removing the rear springs,
 especially the pass. side, took All day today.  We ended up literally
 beating it off after torching and prying.  And a word to the
 wise......there's no hope in re-using the factory shackles.  I have to order
 new ones tomorrow.  :-(
 Man this thing is gonna be tall though........
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