Toyota 4x4 digest:     Wednesday, October 7 1998     Volume 02 : Number 124
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 ADMIN: (K&N blows...) My pissed off diatribe.
 TTC '98
 RE: Fender flares
 FINER FILTER
 tring to locate parts, HELP!
 Re: V2 #123 (Toyota 4WD 4-Runner ,  1990 model, back door problems !
 K&N debate
 RE: V2 #123 (Toyota 4WD 4-Runner ,  1990 model, back door problem s !
 Fiberglass 4Runner panels
 arb air hose
 RE: Free to good home, 94 V6 4Runner
 Broken Antenna
 East Coast Club update
 Re: Toyota 4x4 digest: V2 #123
 Re: top truck
 REMOVE
 Re: test
 tires
 Re: Toyota 4x4 digest: V2 #123
 Re: Toyota 4x4 digest: V2 #123
 4 dr Hilux
 Re: variant on the front suspension (where does it come from?)
 Re: Broken Antenna
 Clayton Oklahoma
 Re: top truck
 Re: top truck
 Day After Turkey Day Run
 Day after T-day Pre-Run
 Re: 4 dr Hilux
 Re: top truck
 Re: top truck
 Lift lips...
 Islandic flares
 RE: Extended shocks
 Re: Fabbed Tube Frames
 RE: red hilux
 RE: Islandic flares
 Bobbed 4Runner
 Re: Bobbed 4Runner
 More TPS Stuff
 Electric Rear Glass
 Vacuum Hose Replacement
 Re: variant on the front suspension (where does it come from?)
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 Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 12:00:49 -0700
 From: Jim Brink  Subject: ADMIN: (K&N blows...) My pissed off diatribe.
 Bill wrote:>> You know,.. I find it humorous that last year I posted some messages> about how although K&N was a 'high performnce' filter,.. several> independent tests showed that it was lousy at filtering small> particles.
>> I see the same thing with that CB coax thread.  If you go to> Firestiks' web page or to most other manufacturer's web page...
>> If the truth is to set off a flame session,.. flame me directly.  My> email is listed.
 And with those words put so eloquently by Bill, I am killing the K&N
 thread at this point. Let's get the list back on to more productive
 topics folks. Any more discussion on the K&N matter is to be taken to
 private e-mail. If you have any problems with this decision, please
 e-mail me directly.
 Jim Brink
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 Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 15:02:29 +0000
 From: "David Ohendalski"  Subject: TTC '98> I was just watching the Top Truck Challenge on Four Wheeler TV (espn2).  I> don't remember the obstacle course at Hollister Hills being so tough --> besides popping a tire off the bead on Li'l Rubicon.  Did they make it> tougher?  It seemed like the mud pit had more water in it, but everything> else seemed about the same.> I thought it looked basically the same also, but the pits were
 definitely more wet and much deeper. Water in the tire pit is evil. I
 can't wait to see all of the tak trap trails!  ~dso
 David Ohendalski
 FTAC '98
 TAMOR, Pres.
 davido@tamu.edu
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 Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 13:34:47 -0700
 From: Scott Muir  Subject: RE: Fender flares
 Hey Marco,
 those are some pretty nice shots of those trucks...  Have you ever tried
 driving them in mud?  Bet you'd enjoy it.
 S.
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 Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 16:56:37 -0400
 From: Agustinus Gunawan  Subject: FINER FILTER
 This question is mainly directed to the mailing list member in Australia.
 Finer Filter has been producing a polyurethane foam air filter for decades.
 I have heard many good things about this filter on extreme dusty condition.
 What is your real experience with this kind of filter. I know the condition in Australian highway is extremely dusty. How do they perform in desert condition and how well they retain water / preventing water to enter the engine?
 I understand they use 2 stage filtering and only the outer foam would need to be cleaned under normal condition.
 Are they claims true?
 This product is not available in US but my friend Is going to visit Sydney and I would like to order one from them if they are really good.
 Thank you,
 Agustinus Gunawan
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 Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:54:24 -0800
 From: "Richard Sheridan"  Subject: tring to locate parts, HELP!
 Hey gang....
 I'm helping out a friend, and he is looking for an adapter plate and
 t-case off a toyota 22re-t, can anyone help? or know of where we can
 locate one of these? thanks in advance...
 Richard,
 please feel free to email me directly...
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 Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 17:06:25 -0400
 From: Bill  Subject: Re: V2 #123 (Toyota 4WD 4-Runner ,  1990 model, back door problems !
 What about getting the part number off the relay, going to an
 electronics store and ordering the Relay directly form the
 manufacturer, instead of as a Toyota "kit"?
 Most manufacturers use off the shelf, readily available relays.
 FWIW
 Bill Miranda
 1990 4Runner SR5/V6
 Also with an intermittantly bad back window
 (don't have the time to fix it yet)
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 Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 17:23:08 EDT
 From: DRM033@aol.com
 Subject: K&N debate
 Not to be rude, or step on toes, but why is a debate on K&N's not to be
 discussed?  In a flame war maybe, but why can't K&N's be talked about?  I know
 it is important for the list admin(s) to stop things that go too far, but I
 haven't seen anything out of line, or rude, or generally not relating to
 Toyota 4x4's.  I see no reason to step in in any way -  yet.  I seem to
 remember MANY topics getting way off lien - & this has not gotten any where
 near that.
 Hey, maybe it has been a year since some info was posted, but the list is a
 different animal now.  If you were to only discuss things one time and then
 ban it from the list, we would have about SQUAT to talk about!  Half the stuff
 on here has been covered about 2 MILLION TIMES, but who cares?
 I have answered several questions several times myself, I don't care.  I have
 asked several questions multiple times too, and people have answered as many
 times.
 I personally see no reason to kill a debate because someone says they are
 tired of it.  I personally think sucking sand into the engine is pretty
 important to discuss, and maybe the discussion could help someone out.
 david
 DRM033@aol.com
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 Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 16:04:06 -0600
 From: "Tong, Donald L"  Subject: RE: V2 #123 (Toyota 4WD 4-Runner ,  1990 model, back door problem s !
 I tried that.  I went so far as to call the relay manufacturer.  I was also
 told that this part may be a relay that they only supply to Toyota.  (I seem
 to recall that the part number wasn't a valid U.S. part number and therefore
 was either a Japanese part number or one made for a specific customer.
 Okay, this may have been bull but the point was that they weren't going to
 tell me where I could buy one.)  I did, however, get them to fax me a pinout
 diagram for a relay that seemed to have the right specs, but by the time I'd
 gotten them to do that I'd already built and installed my own relay pack.
 And since it all works now, I wasn't about to open up the panels again.
 (You know, if it works, don't mess with it.)
 If someone wants a copy of the specs, I'll see if I can find them.
 Don Tong> ----------> From: 	Bill[SMTP:bmiranda@loudoun.com]> Reply To: 	toy4x4@tlca.org> Sent: 	Tuesday, October 06, 1998 2:06 PM> To: 	toy4x4@tlca.org> Subject: 	Re: V2 #123 (Toyota 4WD 4-Runner ,  1990 model, back door> problems !>> What about getting the part number off the relay, going to an> electronics store and ordering the Relay directly form the> manufacturer, instead of as a Toyota "kit"?>> Most manufacturers use off the shelf, readily available relays.>> FWIW>> Bill Miranda> 1990 4Runner SR5/V6> Also with an intermittantly bad back window> (don't have the time to fix it yet)>> ==========================================================================> ==> Toyota 4x4 page: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota> ============================================================================
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 Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 16:01:43 -0700
 From: Barney McNamara  Subject: Fiberglass 4Runner panels
 I am forwarding this to the list for info. I don't know of any sources
 for fiberglass body parts. If anybody does, please forward info direct
 to Chris.>>I was wondering if you or anyone knows of someone who builds fibreglass>rear quarter panels, or tailgates, or anything of the like.  I know of a>company that makes them for Landcruisers, but they don't make them for>4Runners.>If anyone knows, please email me at: wheels@wn.net>>Thanks for your time,>>Chris.
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 Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 18:39:37 +0100
 From: Kathy & Ken Horn  Subject: arb air hose
 Can someone tell me what size fitting the new arb compressors use for
 the auxillary air hook up??
 Justin Horn
 TLCA #7714
 85 4runner
 soon to be 5.29s and ARBs
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 Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 09:44:46 EST
 From: "james stevenson"  Subject: RE: Free to good home, 94 V6 4Runner>Gulp, you ever got lost james...;-))>X deg east, and Y deg NORTH are a nowhere near Austrailia.....;-))>64degs north, 20degs West.
 I never said ddd.mm.ss It was Esating/Northing (UTM)
 East 764680, North 6052644 is 35deg38'04.1"sec South, 149deg55'22.3"
 East. UTM has no decimal points and is expressed in 2 single numbers
 where Lat/on is expressed in Deg Min Sec.
 James Stevenson (TonkaTuf)
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 Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 17:09:26 -0700 (PDT)
 From: Ed Hwang  Subject: Broken Antenna
 My antenna finally bit the dust and I'm not quite sure how remove/replace
 it.  Where do you access the antenna?  I'm guessing by removal of the
 fender inner liner, but would appreciate confirmation of this before I go
 through the trouble.  Its a motorized antenna mounted on a 1985 SR5
 XtraCab 4x4 pickup.
 Thanks for any advice.
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 Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 20:22:51 -0400
 From: "Rick"  Subject: East Coast Club update
 I have made some progress on the East Coast Club.  I don't  think that
 becoming a TLCA Chapter will be any problem at all.  The necessary paperwork
 should be on the to way me soon.  I have the requisite number of vehicles
 and members my immediate family alone!  Yes, we are long-term Toy fans.
 There have been prospective interests from as far away from my locale as NY
 and FL.  All are welcome.
 I have not detected the slightest resistance to a mini-directed chapter.
 Quite the opposite.  Using the internet to hold meetings should also help us
 out a good bit. (one prospective member has already suggested a national
 mini club, but TLCA handles all that extremely well, and we should all stick
 together anyway)
 I have secured a website and will begin to post to it as soon as I figure
 out how.
 I will probably be unable to attend Allen D's GWNF trail ride, (yes, even on
 both dates, I have my daughter's gymnastics meets to attend also)  which
 would be a great way to start, but would appreciate if any list members
 would disseminate the idea of a regional club.   This club will hopefully be
 holding its' meetings on the 'net, and holding official trailrides hosted by
 members at local sites.
 BTW, anybody on the list, even if you are not from the East Coast, who is
 interested in trying to add mini content to Toyota Trails, please let me
 know.  I'll make sure it gets to the right place.
 Rick in NC
 TLCA #5042
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 Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 20:55:33 -0400
 From: Luttmans  Subject: Re: Toyota 4x4 digest: V2 #123
 Quit sending this stupid shit
 I don't care about TOYOTA'S anymore
 i found the one i want
 OK quit sending
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 Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 17:57:14 -0700
 From: Chris Geiger  Subject: Re: top truck
 I  and so are my parents in their new truck are going
 Chris Geiger 93 4Runner http://www.off-road.com/~geiger
 Kenneth Sigel wrote:> Wow!  I just realized that the 2nd Annual Day After Turkey Day Run is almost> here.  Anyone else going
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 Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 19:26:00 -0500
 From: Ben Harrison  Subject: REMOVE
 REMOVE
 At 08:54 PM 10/5/98 -0400, you wrote:>test of address>>___________________________________________________________________>You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail.>Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com>or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]>>============================================================================>Toyota 4x4 page: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota> ============================================================================
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 Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 19:26:31 -0500
 From: Ben Harrison  Subject: Re: test
 SORRY, PLEASE DISREGARD LAST MESSAGE.
 At 08:54 PM 10/5/98 -0400, you wrote:>test of address>>___________________________________________________________________>You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail.>Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com>or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]>>============================================================================>Toyota 4x4 page: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota> ============================================================================
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 Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 17:31:44 -0700
 From: "PARANOID56"  Subject: tires
 I was wondering if 31" tires would fit on my stock '84 4x4 x-cab SR5. it has
 some 235-75-15 on it(I think, I cant remember, it is something like that)
 Will there be any rubbing with these tires, I am looking at
 31-10.50 on 15" rims. The rims are also stock, and there is no lift.
 I just got the truck no too long ago, and it has 4 different brands of tires
 on it. I am not driving it that much, because the tires are almost bald and
 I am waiting for some cash to come my way. by the way, I am looking at all
 terrain tires, nothing too aggressive.
 Thanks for all the help
 Shane
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 Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 20:43:58 -0500
 From: "Steve C."  Subject: Re: Toyota 4x4 digest: V2 #123
 tsk tsk
 you are now a life member...change your name, change your ssn, move out
 of the country, read the directions.
 Luttmans wrote:>> Quit sending this stupid shit> I don't care about TOYOTA'S anymore> i found the one i want> OK quit sending>> ============================================================================> Toyota 4x4 page: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota
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 Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 19:52:32 -0700
 From: "Moomba Performance Xross-Training, Los Angeles CA"  Subject: Re: Toyota 4x4 digest: V2 #123
 I wonder if the Witness Relocation Program could help him before us
 subscribers of this "stupid sh*t" can get to him...
 S.
 Shawn Ooi    moomba@worldnet.att.net
 Fearless 4Wheelers, Los Angeles CA
 1991 Toyota 4Runner SR5, 192K
 3.0 litre EFI V6    4.56 gears
 Eibach 2" lift    2" body-lift
 RS9000s    32" Bridgestone Dueler M/Ts
 Coming soon: Custom nerfs, Surco safari-rack and rear EZ-Lockers.
 Steve C. wrote:>> tsk tsk>> you are now a life member...change your name, change your ssn, move out of the country, read the directions.>> Luttmans wrote:>>>> Quit sending this stupid shit>> I don't care about TOYOTA'S anymore>> i found the one i want>> OK quit sending
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 Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 21:52:07 -0600
 From: Stricklin@tomah.com (Lisa Stricklin)
 Subject: 4 dr Hilux
 I saw a 4 dr on CNN news one time and asked the dealer about orderring
 one.  He said he never heard of a 4 dr. Let alone with left hand drive.
 I talked to a dealer further north, he said he`s heard of them, but you
 can`t get them here.
 Ken
 stricklin@tomah.com
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 Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 23:39:30 EDT
 From: DRM033@aol.com
 Subject: Re: variant on the front suspension (where does it come from?)
 Hey Scott, you posted this message a while back (see below), and I was
 wondering if you could expound on this point.  The only IFS breakage I have
 seen occured at the point you are talking about.  Could you not have a
 stronger one made?  As long as the CV stays in the same position to keep
 steering/movement problems at a minimum, I would think this would solve the
 breaking of the stub shaft.
 David
 DRM033@aol.com
 ellinger@HOLLY.COLOSTATE.EDU writes:> There really isn't an easy alternative to the outer CV; IMHO, the weak link>  isn't the CV itself, but rather the shaft where it goes through the
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 Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 21:16:18 -0700 (PDT)
 From: Luke P Miller  Subject: Re: Broken Antenna
 Removing the fender liner is easy. Just get a large phillips head
 screwdriver or a 10 mm socket and undo the bolts holding the plastic liner
 in. This will give you access to the bottom end of the antenna. Takes a
 few minutes, and goes quicker over the years as you strip the plastic nuts
 and can't put all the bolts back in :)
 As for removing the antenna, most of them generally have a decorative
 chrome trim piece at the base of the antenna, right on top of the fender.
 This will likely have four slots in it. You can get a special tool that
 fits in these slots and unscrew the piece, or since you antenna's shot,
 just use whatever tool is handy to get it off. This may differ for the
 power antenna, such as I had on my truck, but these little details tend to
 escape the mind over time. Just start unbolting stuff until what you're
 after comes out. Always works for me!
 On Tue, 6 Oct 1998, Ed Hwang wrote:>> My antenna finally bit the dust and I'm not quite sure how remove/replace> it.  Where do you access the antenna?  I'm guessing by removal of the> fender inner liner, but would appreciate confirmation of this before I go> through the trouble.  Its a motorized antenna mounted on a 1985 SR5> XtraCab 4x4 pickup.>> Thanks for any advice.>>> *************************************************************************> *            Ed Hwang                        hwang@netcom.com           *> *    San Jose, California USA         ephwang@efawest.navfac.navy.mil   *> *      I wish I was where I was when I wished I was where I am now.     *> *************************************************************************>>> ============================================================================> Toyota 4x4 page: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota> ________________________________________________________________________
 Luke Miller
 umilll02@umail.ucsb.edu   Santa Barbara, CA
 85 4Runner SR5 22RE 3" front Alcan lift, 3" rear mazda spring conversion,
 25.4 mm body lift,  RS9000's, rear lock-right, 32" Michelins, #276, other
 ugly
 garbage
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 Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 23:21:22 -0500 (CDT)
 From: davekimm@webtv.net (david meador)
 Subject: Clayton Oklahoma
 I'm headed to Clayton  Oct. 16th for the SWFWDA fall meeting, any body
 else going?
 Gotta show all those Jeeps how a real truck wheels!
 Dave Meador
 85 4Runner
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 Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 21:37:17 -0700
 From: "Brandon Miller"  Subject: Re: top truck
 Look what I started ;)
 Guess I better be there, so you can count me in..
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 From: Chris Geiger  To:  Date: Tuesday, October 06, 1998 6:06 PM
 Subject: Re: top truck>I  and so are my parents in their new truck are going>>Chris Geiger 93 4Runner http://www.off-road.com/~geiger>>Kenneth Sigel wrote:>>> Wow!  I just realized that the 2nd Annual Day After Turkey Day Run is
 almost>> here.  Anyone else going>>>>>===========================================================================
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 Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 22:06:39 -0700
 From: "Kenneth Sigel"  Subject: Re: top truck
 Somebody's got to go through the BIG rocks with me  : )
 I can't wait to test my 34" Swampers and my front locker!  Speaking of the
 front locker, I love it!  I was out today testing it in a spot that I
 couldn't make until I put the locker in.  Who needs travel when you're all
 locked up?
 Ken
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 From: Brandon Miller  To: toy4x4@tlca.org  Date: Tuesday, October 06, 1998 9:39 PM
 Subject: Re: top truck>Look what I started ;)>>Guess I better be there, so you can count me in..>>>-----Original Message----->From: Chris Geiger >To: >Date: Tuesday, October 06, 1998 6:06 PM>Subject: Re: top truck>>>>I  and so are my parents in their new truck are going>>>>Chris Geiger 93 4Runner http://www.off-road.com/~geiger>>>>Kenneth Sigel wrote:>>>>> Wow!  I just realized that the 2nd Annual Day After Turkey Day Run is>almost>>> here.  Anyone else going>>>>>>>>>>==========================================================================
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 Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 21:58:36 -0700
 From: Scott Wilson  Subject: Day After Turkey Day Run
 For those of you who have no idea what we're talking about...we started
 something last year I call the "Day After Turkey Day Run."   So many
 people were gonna be in the Bay Area last Thanksgiving that we decided
 to get together and head to Hollister.  Everyone had such a good time
 that we decided to try and make it an annual event.
 I haven't done any footwork for the event yet.  I'll talk to the staff
 at Hollister in the next couple days, and MAKE SURE they're going to be
 open Friday, November 27.   I'm not really interested in trying for this
 year...but if next year people are still interested in attending, maybe
 we can have some T-shirts printed or something.  :-)
 If you'd like to see last year's trail report, its at
 http://www.off-road.com/~swilson/turkey/
 Scott
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 Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 22:02:30 -0700
 From: Scott Wilson  Subject: Day after T-day Pre-Run
 I was just thinking....a pre-run of the trails wouldn't be a bad
 idea...so we know what condition they're in, and hopefully head off any
 surprises.
 If anyone is interested in a pre-run on Saturday, Nov 21 let me know
 :-)
 Scott
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 Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 22:10:43 -0700
 From: "Sandy and Terry"  Subject: Re: 4 dr Hilux
 There are a few odd 4 dr hilux's running around here in the U.S. but they
 are very rare.  I can't remember if the last one I saw was IFS or straight
 axle.
 The start of production date for the 4 dr Tacoma has been moved up to summer
 2000 for the 2001 model year.
 Terry Johnson>I saw a 4 dr on CNN news one time and asked the dealer about orderring>one.  He said he never heard of a 4 dr. Let alone with left hand drive.>I talked to a dealer further north, he said he`s heard of them, but you>can`t get them here.>>Ken>stricklin@tomah.com
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 Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 22:05:24 -0700
 From: Scott Wilson  Subject: Re: top truck
 Kenneth Sigel wrote:>> Somebody's got to go through the BIG rocks with me  : )>> I can't wait to test my 34" Swampers and my front locker!  Speaking of the> front locker, I love it!  I was out today testing it in a spot that I> couldn't make until I put the locker in.  Who needs travel when you're all> locked up?
 I'll probably jump in with ya.  The one time I went to Hollister since I
 got my 33s, gears, and front locker, we just didn't have enough time for
 me to attempt.
 And BTW....I want to be locked up A-N-D have travel.  :-)
 Scott
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 Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 22:19:29 -0700
 From: "Brandon Miller"  Subject: Re: top truck
 I'll be there and this time no steering arm to brake ;)
 - -----Original Message-----
 From: Kenneth Sigel  To:  Date: Tuesday, October 06, 1998 10:02 PM
 Subject: Re: top truck>Somebody's got to go through the BIG rocks with me  : )>>I can't wait to test my 34" Swampers and my front locker!  Speaking of the>front locker, I love it!  I was out today testing it in a spot that I>couldn't make until I put the locker in.  Who needs travel when you're all>locked up?>>Ken>>-----Original Message----->From: Brandon Miller >To: toy4x4@tlca.org >Date: Tuesday, October 06, 1998 9:39 PM>Subject: Re: top truck>>>>Look what I started ;)>>>>Guess I better be there, so you can count me in..>>>>>>-----Original Message----->>From: Chris Geiger >>To: >>Date: Tuesday, October 06, 1998 6:06 PM>>Subject: Re: top truck>>>>>>>I  and so are my parents in their new truck are going>>>>>>Chris Geiger 93 4Runner http://www.off-road.com/~geiger>>>>>>Kenneth Sigel wrote:>>>>>>> Wow!  I just realized that the 2nd Annual Day After Turkey Day Run is>>almost>>>> here.  Anyone else going>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=========================================================================
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 Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 22:32:20 -0700
 From: "Moomba Performance Xross-Training, Los Angeles CA"  Subject: Lift lips...
 Hey y'all,
 I just did a 2" body-lift on my 4Rnr and was wondering if anyone has any
 ideas for home-made lift lips. I have a few ideas of my own but wanted
 to get more options before deciding on which one. Thanx...
 Shawn Ooi    moomba@worldnet.att.net
 Fearless 4Wheelers, Los Angeles CA
 1991 Toyota 4Runner SR5, 192K
 3.0 litre EFI V6    4.56 gears
 Eibach 2" lift    2" body-lift
 RS9000s    32" Bridgestone Dueler M/Ts
 Coming soon: Custom nerfs, Surco safari-rack and rear EZ-Lockers.
 http://homepages.infoseek.com/~welldonesr5/index.html
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 Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 03:11:40 -0400
 From: Nicholas Mullett  Subject: Islandic flares
 is there a website that I can get the prices of Islandic flares from? or
 view what they have?  -thanks
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 Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 17:19:19 EST
 From: "james stevenson"  Subject: RE: Extended shocks
 Karl Bellve Wrote>...gas pressurised shocks will extend to their maximum length. Either
 your aux or your main shock will extend to its maximum length when the
 truck is just sitting still.
 Yes, the two aux shocks will do this. First up I?m not a fan of the
 traditional gas type shock which extends on its own. That said what you
 describe is not a problem. If you assume the main shock has the same
 valving as the two aux shocks, quick sharp ocellations will cause a
 reaction in the main unit. The aux will come into play when extended
 travel is needed. IE when the main reaches full extension or
 compression. If you have gas pressurised aux shocks they will remain
 fully extended till the main shock is full extended. This will then pull
 the aux units down allowing additional extension. This is of course
 double valved slowing the suspension at the farthest reach of extension.
 If the suspension the starts to compress it will be taken up the by the
 main shock, although a small amount will be taken by the aux units. If
 the suspension goes rapidly to full compression it will use the main
 shock till it reaches full compression, then the aux units will move up
 to full extension (double valving slowing the suspension). Hope this
 explains the operation of the unit. I will go into more detail if anyone
 needs that.>Do you actually use this setup?
 Yes, I have done this a number of times. I currently run this setup on
 TT2, have also put it on a number of production race trucks. This setup
 gets around the rules which stop you relocating the shock towers higher
 up. Also with this system you do not have to fabricate new shock mounts.
 Applied to a Toy truck you can get a longer shock in than the RS9012
 without the shock extending through into the engine bay or fabricating
 mounts.
 James Stevenson (TonkaTuf) ICQ-19130256
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 From: "james stevenson"  Subject: Re: Fabbed Tube Frames>...partial or tube frame for a Toy. Has anyone actually done this?
 Yes,TT3 is a full space frame chassis with a Toyota 3rd Gen Double cab
 Body on top. You cant really call it a now Toyota though, only the body,
 and half the tcase remains
 James Stevenson (TonkaTuf) ICQ-19130256
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 Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:09:11 -0000
 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?500_T=D6LV_R=FAnar_Sigurj=F3nsson?=  Subject: RE: red hilux
 From Europe, of corse...
 Cheers,
 Runar> -----Original Message-----> From:	Kenneth Sigel [SMTP:ksigel@scs.unr.edu]> Sent:	Tuesday, October 06, 1998 4:12 PM> To:	Toy4x4@Tlca. Org> Subject:	red hilux>> That red hilux looks like it's left hand drive.  How do I get one> shipping> to the US?>> Sell a kidney.   :)>> Ken>>> ======================================================================> ======> Toyota 4x4 page: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota
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 Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:25:43 -0000
 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?500_T=D6LV_R=FAnar_Sigurj=F3nsson?=  Subject: RE: Islandic flares
 Price is about 40.000 iskr, or USD 550 plus shipping, fitting and
 painting.  That is just kind of a standard price for set of four flares
 for any truck.
 Cheers,
 Runar.> -----Original Message-----> From:	Nicholas Mullett [SMTP:nm342297@oak.cats.ohiou.edu]> Sent:	Wednesday, October 07, 1998 7:12 AM> To:	toy4x4@tlca.org> Subject:	Islandic flares>> is there a website that I can get the prices of Islandic flares from?> or> view what they have?  -thanks>>> ======================================================================> ======> Toyota 4x4 page: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota
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 Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 07:56:12 -0400
 From: "Andy Zook"  Subject: Bobbed 4Runner
 Anyone ever bobbed a 4Runner? I have been contemplating doing it this
 winter.  I am not too familiar with fiberglass and do not know if I can do
 the top or not. I was planning on bobbing the tub like I did on my '92 bed
 and cutting the top at the front where it attaches to the cab.
 Any suggestions?
 Here is my "marked up" picture
 http://24.229.36.29/images/runchop.jpg
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 From: Scott Ellinger  Subject: Re: Bobbed 4Runner> Anyone ever bobbed a 4Runner? I have been contemplating doing it this> winter.  I am not too familiar with fiberglass and do not know if I can do> the top or not. I was planning on bobbing the tub like I did on my '92 bed> and cutting the top at the front where it attaches to the cab.
 Not personally, but I got to see several in-progress points on a square
 body one that was bobbed locally this past spring.  They used a pickup tail
 gate with it, to eliminate how low the stock 4Runner tailgate hangs, and a
 soft top (window in the top now) and had an awning and tent place do the
 shortening on the top.
 The plan for it calls for shortening the stock top through the rear window
 area, and changing the windows to match, since that would be the easiest
 place to cut it.>> Any suggestions?> I would guess that you could probably sell the hardtop for enough to pay
 for a soft top, and unless you live in the city, I think that's the way
 to go.
 - --scott
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 Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 06:55:32 +0000
 From: "shaun"  Subject: More TPS Stuff
 All this TPS stuff I've been going through makes me reminisce about
 my old carbs and how easy they were to work on.  Anyways, I read in
 some of the back issues that the IDL circuit seems to be what goes
 out first especially on the V6's.  This is the circuit that I can't
 seem to get continuity on.  Yet, the truck runs great (except for the
 barely noticeable hesitation right at 1000rpms).  I called Yota, they
 want $120 for a new one but I also found a used one for $45 although
 I cant verify how many miles are on that one.  Can anyone offer
 any advice on what to do here.  What actually happens if the TPS
 goes completely kaput???  Can I limp the truck home and then go
 cough up that 120 for a new one or will i be totally stranded.  Any
 comments at all would be appreciated.  Scott, thanks for all of your
 help so far.
 Shaun, Colo Springs, Colo
 1988 4Runner V6 SR5 Auto
 Address: trinity@codenet.net
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 Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:06:40 -0500
 From: bwilliams@misschem.com (Williams, Bill)
 Subject: Electric Rear Glass
 John Coat  wrote concerning Toyota 4WD 4-Runner ,  1990
 model, back door problems!
 I've had an intermittent problem with the console rocker switch that
 operates my '94 4Runner's rear glass.  Every now and again, it won't work.
 Must be a loose connection or tricky relay.  However, the key switch in
 the rear door has never failed to raise/lower the glass.
 This electric glass is one thing I don't like; I'd much rather have a lift
 glass & drop door, or lift glass & lift door, or ambulance doors.  I once
 made the mistake of lowering the glass with wet sand stuck to it, and got a
 few vertical scratches on the glass where the sand was raked by the
 weatherstrip.  Live and Learn.
 Bill Williams
 bwilliams@misschem.com
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 Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 07:03:17 +0000
 From: "shaun"  Subject: Vacuum Hose Replacement
 What type of vacuum hose is recommended for replacing the hoses on
 the throttle body of the V6's.  It looks like I have 1/4 inch I.D.
 vacuum hose but the stuff on the Toyota's seems to be more of a foam
 rubber than the hard black rubber I am used to.  Is there any
 difference here at all.  Scott Muir has got me thinking that maybee I
 have some small leaks and I'm thinking he is right so I'd like to
 just one by one pull every last hose off, cut new hose to length and
 then install it.  Thanks.
 Shaun, Colo Springs, Colo
 1988 4Runner V6 SR5
 Address: trinity@codenet.net
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 Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 07:11:58 -0600 (MDT)
 From: Scott Ellinger  Subject: Re: variant on the front suspension (where does it come from?)> Hey Scott, you posted this message a while back (see below), and I was> wondering if you could expound on this point.  The only IFS breakage I have> seen occured at the point you are talking about.  Could you not have a> stronger one made?  As long as the CV stays in the same position to keep> steering/movement problems at a minimum, I would think this would solve the> breaking of the stub shaft.>>> There really isn't an easy alternative to the outer CV; IMHO, the weak link>>  isn't the CV itself, but rather the shaft where it goes through the> spindle.>> Okay... here goes some way bad text art, though.... :)
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 The actual CV joint is just the grapefruit-sized thing on the bottom.  I
 realize that it's a relatively common break (kinda like Birfields; the
 construction is almost the same) to break the six-fingered thing inside the
 CV.  But at normal angles, this won't commonly break.  It can, but it
 usually doesn't.
 Beef up the CV itself?  Sure; WCOR makes a setup to use some kind of buggy
 joint intead of Toyota joints.  I don't know if it's a Type II or a 930, but
 look again at what I pointed out as the weak point.  It's not the CV itself,
 but the stub where it goes through the spindle.
 Beef up the stub?  Well, you'll need a bigger hole through the spindle, or
 better material to make the stub out of.  IMHO, better material is a losing
 battle; it'll cost a fortune, and you won't gain much, if anything.  Bigger
 hole through the spindle, and a bigger stub?  Well, you'll need new hubs,
 wheel bearings, steering spindle, brakes, etc.... and those aren't exactly
 easy to come by.
 At high angles, the CV joint itself will be the weak link.  But under a lot
 of power, the stub will usually break first.  Either way, you replace both
 by changing the CV joint, since Toyota made them one piece.  But even if
 you separate them into a stub and a CV, and put a massive CV joint on it,
 you really can't increase the strength of the stub significantly for a fair
 price.
 This is why, when I did my IFS 9", I didn't really worry about the fact
 that my halfshafts are 28-spline (Ford 9") on one end, and 27-spline (D30)
 on the other, because that stub in the spindle is cheap, stock, and weaker
 than either of those two, at a 26-spline (about 1") shaft size.  I knew that
 it would break stock CV's (and stubs, now that we're all thinking of them as
 two separate parts, right? :) ) before breaking my expensive custom half
 shafts.
 Where is the solution?  I don't know.  I wish I did; I could make a fortune
 on it.  I imagine that it's possible to make a bigger wheel bearing snout,
 hub assembly, and all that, to work with a bigger stub, but I don't have
 the resources to do it.  I suspect that it could be set up to work in small
 steps, too, so that it could use either a 930 (or better yet, a 934) CV, a
 31- or 33-spline stub (and halfshaft) and take all the power you can dish
 out, even at full angle, but I can't even imagine the cost of making it into
 reality.  Probably several thousand apiece for the first two, and I'd guess
 that it'd have to sell at about a grand each on production units (per side)
 to be a reasonable business venture.
 Maybe I ought to pick up an extra spindle or two, and see what I can do....
 I'll bet with the right machining, a circletrack 9" floater end could be
 used on a Toyota spindle, maybe with new brake rotors, but the same calipers
 to keep it easier to repair, and some 1T truck wheel bearings.... :)
 This is starting to sound like a lot of one-off race fabrication.  But I
 have a funny feeling that this is where the better lift kits originate.  :)
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