Toyota 4x4 digest:    Thursday, September 17 1998    Volume 02 : Number 086
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 hard starting
 AArgh!  Daily driven 20R dies!
 Clutch wont release!  "The solution"
 Re: Front main seal leak
 Re: Clutch wont release!  "The solution"
 Re: Front main seal leak
 Re: Front main seal leak
 Re: Wheel Question......
 Re: Front main seal leak
 RE: Catalogs
 putting a new 20R in
 Re: putting a new 20R in
 Re: IFS lifts and rear springs
 Torrsion Bar technology
 here's the info on the part's recycler stuff...
 best lift and stuff for '84 pick-up?
 Re: Rear oil seal leak?
 need shoulder/lap belts for 80 pickup
 Re: Front main seal leak
 Re: best lift and stuff for '84 pick-up?
 Re: Torrsion Bar technology
 Re: Clutch Transmission Removal
 RE: Torrsion Bar technology
 Downey engine swap manual
 re: Aaargh! 20R Dies
 BIO info for new subscriber
 Re: best lift and stuff for '84 pick-up?
 THE TOY BOX
 RE: THE TOY BOX
 Re: Front main seal leak
 Re: Front main seal leak
 Ford Pick-ups
 starting question
 Re: Ford Pick-ups
 Wheels
 Re: Aargh! my 20R spun a bearing!
 Wheels
 Re: IFS lifts and rear springs
 Re:  Front main seal leak
 2" body lift on 1st gen 4runner
 Re: Clutch wont release!  "The solution"
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 Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 11:04:08 -0500
 From: ben  Subject: hard starting
 Everyday the first start of my truck is a little difficult.  When I turn
 the ignition it will turn over then die and will do this maybe 5 or 6
 times then finally it will start,sluggishly.  It seems like it isn't
 getting fuel because it will start great the rest of the day.  Any
 suggestions, by the way it is an 86 with a 22RE.
 Ben Schill
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 Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 09:56:28 -0700
 From: Barney McNamara  Subject: AArgh!  Daily driven 20R dies!
 Steve wrote:>Should I just rebuild the 20R?  What's a good>price to rebuild it (I have no way of rebuilding it myself)?  What's a good>price for a 22R/20R in good working condition?  Help!
 This is a very common topic, and there is a long thread on my web pages:
 http://www.scruz.net/~barneym/toy_root/techtalk/engine/22r_rbld.htm
 You might want to check it out.
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 Barney McNamara              JENNY - 83 Toyota Short Bed
 ( barney@flowpoint.com )     stock 22R motor ; 3" body lift
 Santa Cruz, Ca.              8" alloy rims; 31" BFG A/Ts
 homepage: http://www.scruz.net/~barneym/barnhome.htm
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 Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 09:59:14 -0700
 From: Steve Keene  Subject: Clutch wont release!  "The solution"
 I wrote a week ago that my clutch suddenly
 would not release completely.
 What I found was that the Centrerforce I
 clutch disintegrated.  The clutch material
 on the Pressure plate side broke up and fell
 off jamming the pieces between the pressure
 plate and the clutch disk.  This disk was
 about 3 years old.  It certainly didn't last
 as long as the original toyota clutch.  I'm
 disappointed.
 I replaced it with a Downey super clutch.  I
 cant say it feels as tight as the
 Centerforce did.  It feels more like the
 original Toyota unit. Lighter pedal feel and
 more slippage as it goes in but I've only
 driven it 20 miles so far.
 Well that's the story,  anyone else have an
 opinion on the Downey Clutch?
 Steve Keene, Anaheim, CA
 TLCA # 5414   stkeene@pacbell.net
 81 Toyota Long Bed Truck, Front 3" Rancho
 Springs, Rear 2 1/2" Shackles+2" Performance
 Add-a-Leaf, 32" BFG Mud Terrain , Stainless
 Steel Brake line rear, Relocated front brake
 Lines, Extended Diff, Breathers, On board
 air.(By Colman Ha!), Roll bar Air Tank,
 Seats in bed w/4 point belts, Bikini top
 over bed. 4:56 diff. gears, Lockright in
 Rear.
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 Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 10:18 -0700
 From: "Kendall Carlton"  Subject: Re: Front main seal leak
 I have had the same problem on 3 different 22R and 22RE engines.  What
 I found was that the O-ring seal on the oil pump was what was leaking.
 The oil pump is directly behind the crankshaft pulley.  You may need
 to use a pulley puller to remove the pulley.  I live in the Phoenix
 area and things tend to dry out.  It was not that hard to change the
 oil pump seal.  One thing that helped me  was to take the time to
 remove the radiator to allow more room to work it is kind of cramped
 down there.  The 22RE that had the leak was also a '90 model.  One
 bolt stripped during installation.  So becareful not to overtighten.
 Another thing to mention, I had to buy a complete gasket set just to
 get the one O-ring gasket that I needed.
 Kendall
 ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
 Subject: Front main seal leak
 Author:  DRM033@aol.com at Internet_Exchange
 Date:    9/17/98 11:11 AM
 What is involved on changing the front main seal on a 90 22RE?  Mine is
 leaking & I want it to stop.  I tried telling it nicely, then I yelled at it,
 but neither worked.  Should I try to bribe it before I tear it apart?
 Thanks
 David
 DRM033@aol.com
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 Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 10:36:59 -0700 (PDT)
 From: Luke P Miller  Subject: Re: Clutch wont release!  "The solution"
 I'm happy with my super clutch, it's given me 25,000 miles without
 complaint so far, and hasn't needed an adjustment yet. Unless it somehow
 destroys itself in spectacular fashion, I'll probably get the same thing
 when it comes time for the next clutch.>> Well that's the story,  anyone else have an> opinion on the Downey Clutch?>> Steve Keene, Anaheim, CA>> TLCA # 5414   stkeene@pacbell.net> 81 Toyota Long Bed Truck, Front 3" Rancho> Springs, Rear 2 1/2" Shackles+2" Performance> Add-a-Leaf, 32" BFG Mud Terrain , Stainless> Steel Brake line rear, Relocated front brake> Lines, Extended Diff, Breathers, On board> air.(By Colman Ha!), Roll bar Air Tank,> Seats in bed w/4 point belts, Bikini top> over bed. 4:56 diff. gears, Lockright in> Rear.>>>> ============================================================================> Toyota 4x4 page: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota> ________________________________________________________________________
 Luke Miller
 umilll02@umail.ucsb.edu   Santa Barbara, CA
 85 4Runner SR5 22RE 3" front Alcan lift, 3" rear mazda spring conversion,
 25.4 mm body lift,  RS9000's, rear lock-right, 32" Michelins, #276, other
 ugly
 garbage
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 Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 11:28:55 +0000
 From: Menko Johnson  Subject: Re: Front main seal leak
 At 10:18 AM 9/17/98 -0700, you wrote:>     One>     bolt stripped during installation.  So becareful not to overtighten.
 Mine was the same way.  Apparently these bolts tend to do this, so be certain its the oil pump and not the crank seal>     Another thing to mention, I had to buy a complete gasket set just to>     get the one O-ring gasket that I needed.
 Jim Brink would know for sure, but I am fairly certain I purchased just the crank seal and the oil pump o-ring and didn't buy any gaskets, but this was about a year ago, so I don't remember exactly.
 Menko
 Menko Johnson (mjohnson@benson.mckenna.edu)
 Kravis Leadership Institute
 Claremont, CA 91711
 (909) 607-7030 or 621-8743
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 Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 14:25:31 -0400
 From: "Karl Bellve, Ph.D."  Subject: Re: Front main seal leak
 Menko Johnson wrote:>> Jim Brink would know for sure, but I am fairly certain I purchased just the crank seal and the oil pump o-ring and didn't buy any gaskets, but this was about a year ago, so I don't remember exactly.>> Menko
 I was able to buy the same thing. Crank Seal and oil pump o-ring. Cost
 $12. Funny thing about this is I lived near Brown's Toyota at the time
 and I called them for a price before I drove down there. They told me
 ~$12 over the phone. When I got there, they said $42. I explained to
 them about the wholesale discount and they said, "oops" and I paid $12
 for it. Several customers at the parts desk were just amazed ;-)
 - --
 Cheers,
 Karl Bellve, Ph.D.                   ICQ# 13956200
 Biomedical Imaging Group               IM: kbellve
 University of Massachusetts
 Email: kdb@molmed.ummed.edu
 Phone: (508) 856-6514
 Fax:   (508) 856-1840
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 Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 09:33:01 -0400
 From: "Karl Bellve, Ph.D."  Subject: Re: Wheel Question......
 Alan wrote:>> So, if you're tires only stick out about 2.5", then a 15x8 wheel would probably> only stick out from .5" to 1"....am I seeing this correctly?>> I want my wheels to stick out some, ya know it makes it look a little> tougher...but I don't want it to stick out 3 or 4 inches....>> By the way, I appreciate all of your help on this matter.> Hi Alan,
 Just to let you know that most states have laws that require your
 fenders to cover your tires. If you do want a wider stance, for whatever
 reason, then you need to add fender flares.
 - --
 Cheers,
 Karl Bellve, Ph.D.                   ICQ# 13956200
 Biomedical Imaging Group               IM: kbellve
 University of Massachusetts
 Email: kdb@molmed.ummed.edu
 Phone: (508) 856-6514
 Fax:   (508) 856-1840
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 Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 11:39:16 -0400
 From: "Karl Bellve, Ph.D."  Subject: Re: Front main seal leak
 DRM033@aol.com wrote:>> What is involved on changing the front main seal on a 90 22RE?  Mine is> leaking & I want it to stop.  I tried telling it nicely, then I yelled at it,> but neither worked.  Should I try to bribe it before I tear it apart?>> Thanks>> David> DRM033@aol.com
 Are you sure it isn't the oil pump seal? This is easy to replace if this
 is the case.
 - --
 Cheers,
 Karl Bellve, Ph.D.                   ICQ# 13956200
 Biomedical Imaging Group               IM: kbellve
 University of Massachusetts
 Email: kdb@molmed.ummed.edu
 Phone: (508) 856-6514
 Fax:   (508) 856-1840
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 Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 11:44:41 -0700
 From: "Roger Brown, P.E."  Subject: RE: Catalogs
 Agustinus Gunawan wrote:> I don't think it is wise to send credit card information via email because of security reason. Online ordering should only  be conducted through SSL protocol transfer.
 True (to some extent) but they *do* have a "SecureBuy" ordering site where you
 can do the SSL bit.  You sign up and register your payment options and then
 place orders.  Looks like a nice system, I've signed up but not ordered
 anything yet.
 Note, we are quite happy to put our cridit card number on a piece of paper,
 stick it in a public mail box and have the postal service carry it across the
 country to have someone else read it and then who knows what!  What is more
 problematic is for some vendor's (on-line or not) computer system to be
 invaded and the credit card info in it be stolen.
 - --
 Roger Brown, P.E.        Applications Consulting
 mailto:rogerb@sgi.com    http://reality.sgi.com/rogerb/
 +1.650.933.1898 (voice)  +1.650.932.1898 (fax)
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 Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 12:42:47 -0600
 From: "Smith, Steve"  Subject: putting a new 20R in
 How difficult is putting a new 20R in an '80 pick-up?  It doesn't seem like
 it would be hard at all.  I have been checking around and the cheapest I've
 found is $700...just to put it in.  It seems like it's the easiest thing in
 the world...just take the carb off this one and put it on that one...etc.
 Why so much?  Is there a cheaper place near Colorado Springs?  The guy that
 has the engine says he'll warrantee the engine if a reputable person puts it
 in.
 Steve S.
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 Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 14:03:55 -0500 (CDT)
 From: Brian Wiencek  Subject: Re: putting a new 20R in> How difficult is putting a new 20R in an '80 pick-up?  It doesn't seem like> it would be hard at all.  I have been checking around and the cheapest I've> found is $700...just to put it in.  It seems like it's the easiest thing in> the world...just take the carb off this one and put it on that one...etc.> Why so much?  Is there a cheaper place near Colorado Springs?  The guy that> has the engine says he'll warrantee the engine if a reputable person puts it> in.
 Having done a couple of engine swaps I would estimate 8-10 hours for your
 first time, and about 6 once you get better at it.  This assumes that
 you're cleaning things up along the way, doing little maintenance things
 while the engine is out, etc.  If you're going for raw speed, then 2
 people could probably do it in about 2.5-3 hrs for a long-block in an '80.
 What you might try to do is simply pull the manifold (intake &
 exhaust) bolts, pull the manifolds away from the engine, pull off the a/c
 compressor & wire it to the fender, unplug the alternator, and then remove
 the trans-bolts, and the motor mount bolts, pull the engine, swap the
 accessories/brackets, then put 'er back in - that's about the only way to
 do it while doing minimal work.
 - - Brian
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 Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 12:32:15 -0800
 From: jcalvert@specialized.com
 Subject: Re: IFS lifts and rear springs
 1) I seem to remember some negative feedback on the Procomp IFS lift
 kit recently. Could you provide more information as to the problems
 you were having.
 2) What are some experiences with using just the Rancho upper A-arms?
 What are the advantages of it vs. just the regular Toyota One? Does it
 provide more downward travel?
 3) Does anyone have experience with using the Rancho upper arms with
 WCOR's Axle kits (the $699 kit not the 14" long tavel $1699 kit)? How
 does it work for you? How is it different than the Downey Slip Yoke
 and long travel ball joints? It seems to be more expensive than
 getting the Downey kit but you get less parts.
 4) I am considering buying the 4" rear coils from Procomp instead of
 using the 1 1/2" Downey coils with the 1 1/2" spacer. This seems like
 it would provide greater overall travel than the Downey kit. Does it
 create more interference problems than the Downey kit due to the
 greater travel (i.e. cutting the gas tank skid plate etc.)? Would you
 have problems with the driveshaft not being able to handle the extra
 travel when you have the swaybars disconnected?
 I know it's a lot but any input on these would be appreciated.
 John.
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 Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 16:36:39 -0400
 From: "Tom Pechkovsky"  Subject: Torrsion Bar technology
 Ok, another stupid question from the Hoser up in the Great White North
 Torsion Bars.....how exactly do they work??  I'm sure this is very basic for many of you but I just haven't stared under my 4runner long enough.  How does the adjustment change the rate of spring, it does doesn't it?
 Does someone have a write up on this.
 And don't be shy... I can handle a little ribbing.
 Tom Pechkovsky
 (uneducated 4Runner owner)
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 Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 13:55:51 -7 GMT
 From: "Leo G. Divinagracia III"  Subject: here's the info on the part's recycler stuff...
 a couple people has sent me mail asking for this info:
 united recyclers group (urg)
 their web site is www.autopartsearch.com
 you can send for their 'catalog' for a yearly price of $15.  it's free if
 you tell them you are an insurance adjuster.
 urg premium parts
 subscriptions
 1999 broadway, suite 3225
 denver, co 80202
 contact # for urg:
 1-800-238-3934
 360-318-0206 fax
 i recommend you go through the web page and follow the path to tell it
 what vehicle you have and it will generate a list of places all over the
 country where they MAY carry stuff for it.
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 Leo G. Divinagracia III
 ldivinag@csuhayward.edu
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 Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 14:53:37 -0600
 From: "Smith, Steve"  Subject: best lift and stuff for '84 pick-up?
 I have a non-list friend who has an '84 shortbed pickup, and he wants to
 know what the best (excluding Alcan or National) spring setup he can get is.
 Obviously, since the two best are out of the question, keep in mind the
 price.  He's looking to spend less than $170 per spring I think.
 Steve S.
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 Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 15:59:16 -0400
 From: "Bernie H"  Subject: Re: Rear oil seal leak?
 It should be fairly ease to tell if it's Gear oil.  Gear oil smells like a
 cross between sewage, and road kill.^)
 As a general rule oil tends to leak downwards and back from the source of
 the leak.  What components/seals are forward and up from where you see the
 oil?  Rear Engine seal, Head Gasket, Rocker Cover Gasket, Rocker Cover rear
 'half moon'.
 On the 22RE it's pretty hard to see the back of the Rocker Cover, but you
 should be able to get your hand back there and check for leakinf oil.  If
 the leak is as bad as it sounds than I would expect the clutch to be
 slipping, or at least to be burning the oil somewhat IF it was coming from
 the rear seal.
 - -------------------------------------------------------
 Bernie H
 ICQ# 394598
 mailto:bernieh@home.com
 - -----Original Message-----
 From: Ed.Wong@astramerck.com  To: kendall.carlton@microchip.com  Cc: toy4x4@tlca.org  Date: September 17, 1998 11:16 AM
 Subject: Rear oil seal leak?>SNIP>  The oil is leaking where the clutch fork arm comes through the>     bell housing to the clutch slave cylinder.  SNIP>> SNIP
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 Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 12:22:22 +0000
 From: Menko Johnson  Subject: need shoulder/lap belts for 80 pickup
 Anyone have a parts truck with this stuff lying around?  It doesn't matter which color.  The ones in the truck now never seem to work (ie: steep hill, seat belts don't ever stop lengthening).  Or is there a way to fix the current ones?  thanks!
 Menko
 Menko Johnson (mjohnson@benson.mckenna.edu)
 Kravis Leadership Institute
 Claremont, CA 91711
 (909) 607-7030 or 621-8743
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 Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 16:09:10 -0400
 From: "Bernie H"  Subject: Re: Front main seal leak
 Buying a new seal of course (about $10? from Toyota).  Draining and removing
 the rad (for access). removing the fan belts, removing the pulley with a
 bolt on puller (not one that grabs from the outside edge), removing the old
 seal with a seal puller/claw hammer/screwdriver (care should be taken not to
 nick the crankshaft). Installing the new seal using some kind of race to
 drive it in (a large socket, even the old seal works in a pinch).  Tap it
 into place keeping it straight, (don't bang the f&*( out of it) and make
 sure not to damage the spring on the inside.
 - -------------------------------------------------------
 Bernie H
 ICQ# 394598
 mailto:bernieh@home.com
 - -----Original Message-----
 From: DRM033@aol.com  To: toy4x4@tlca.org  Date: September 17, 1998 11:32 AM
 Subject: Front main seal leak>What is involved on changing the front main seal on a 90 22RE?  Mine is>leaking & I want it to stop.  I tried telling it nicely, then I yelled at
 it,>but neither worked.  Should I try to bribe it before I tear it apart?>>Thanks>>David>DRM033@aol.com>>===========================================================================
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 Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 17:16:00 -0400
 From: Charles Brooks  Subject: Re: best lift and stuff for '84 pick-up?
 Smith, Steve wrote:>> I have a non-list friend who has an '84 shortbed pickup, and he wants to> know what the best (excluding Alcan or National) spring setup he can get is.> Obviously, since the two best are out of the question, keep in mind the> price.  He's looking to spend less than $170 per spring I think.
 I would suggest the skyjacker lifts as one of the better "non-custom"
 lifts. They have 3" and 5" lifts and some people have modified the
 5" lifts to get 3.5" with a nice soft spring rate.
 Charles Brooks
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 Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 17:15:55 -0400
 From: John Smith  Subject: Re: Torrsion Bar technology
 snip>Torsion Bars..... Does someone have a write up on this.
 This link explains how to adjust them.
 http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota/tech/torsion/
 John Smith
 87 Std Cab 4x4 PU - 22R, 120,000 Miles, 31" BFG MT on AR767 15x8, Dynomax
 Catback,
 Rancho RS5000s, 3" Rear Lift Springs, Torsion Bars Cranked, Rusted Tailgate,
 Plus More...
 Smithjn@us.ibm.com  http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Canyon/4313/
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 Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 14:14:47 -0700
 From: "Richard Aguinsky"  Subject: Re: Clutch Transmission Removal
 After many emails, and going back and forth through old
 clutch messages from the list, I ended up with an OEM heavy
 duty one from Toyota. With the discount from TLCA, it was only
 $150 for the whole thing, including seals, which is not bad.
 I had a PepBoys clutch with lifetime warranty, but after looking
 at the Mickey mouse stuff they put in there, I decided to stay
 away from life time warranty stuff  on something so time consuming
 as a clutch. I wanted something reliable for the trials, the
 PepBoys one used to smell burnt a lot.
 I went back and forth about getting the CenterForce, what
 turned me off were the discussions going on in the list.
 Nobody seemed to agree that it was worth the extra money and
 the messages about a stiffer clutch pedal did not appeal to me.
 The heavy duty clutch from Toyota is stiffer than what I had
 before, which I do not like. Even though I resurfaced the
 flywheel, the truck still shakes a little bit. I was told that
 it'll go away after using it for a while.
 I put all the messages into a big text file for removing the
 transmission, anybody interested can email me for it. I also
 send it to Barney to put in his web page which for me is a
 great source of reference.
 Regards
 Rich
 '87 4Runner
 with a new OEM Toyota clutch
 Menko wrote:
 Rich,
 I'd sure like it when you're finished.  What clutch did you end up going with Rich?
 Thanks
 MJ
 Menko Johnson (mjohnson@benson.mckenna.edu)
 Kravis Leadership Institute
 Claremont, CA 91711
 (909) 607-7030 or 621-8743
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 Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 14:42:00 -0700
 From: "Kenneth Sigel"  Subject: RE: Torrsion Bar technology
 Geez Tom!  You're such a Canadian!...  just kidding.  We all have to start
 somewhere.>Torsion Bars.....how exactly do they work?? How does the>adjustment change
 the>rate of spring, it does doesn't it?
 As the control arm moves, it creates a torque on the torsion bar.  The
 torsion bar resists the movement and acts like a spring (anyone else taking
 mechanical vibrations?). Check
 http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota/tech/torsion/ for details on how to
 adjust them.
 - -Ken
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 Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 17:35:02 -0400
 From: Charles Brooks  Subject: Downey engine swap manual
 If someone has a web page to post the info on I'd be glad to
 scan the manual and send it to ya. It'd probably be in several
 parts with the pics (Line drawings) sent seperately.
 Charles Brooks
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 Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 18:22:43 -0400
 From: Eli  Subject: re: Aaargh! 20R Dies
 Original Message -
 ******************************
 Guys, It's killing me just to say this, but last night, as I was driving
 across a barren stretch of highway, coming back into Colorado Springs, I
 started to hear a knock.  Well, at the time, there was only one thing to do,
 keep driving.  When I got her home, sure enough, there was oil in her.  I
 think I've spun a bearing.  This is my daily driver, and I need this truck.
 It's an '80 4x4, with a 20R.  What are my quickest and cheapest remedies?
 It seems that 22r's are more plentiful...is this a viable swap?  Is it
 difficult or time consuming?  Should I just rebuild the 20R?  What's a good
 price to rebuild it (I have no way of rebuilding it myself)?  What's a good
 price for a 22R/20R in good working condition?  Help!
 Steve S.
 **********************************
 If it is in fact a bearing, it's pretty easy to pull the oil pan and
 replace it. It would be a real "stop gap" measure, but it would get it
 running again! You'll need a torque wrench. I can give you more details if
 neccesary. I would recommend putting in a 22R that's rebuilt or in good
 condition with a new timing chain. A rough guess on price would be
 $300-$600 for a good condition running 22R, plus approx $200 for the timing
 chain kit. I'd guess a rebuilt 22R could be about $1500+.
 How many miles does your 20R have?
 Eli Madden
 Middlebury, Vermont
 '83 4x4 w/ '87 22R, 31s, 3" Front Springs, and lots of rust and dents!
 eli@computeralt.com
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 Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 18:44:26 -0700
 From: Donald_Laursen  Subject: BIO info for new subscriber
 Name: Don Laursen
 City & State: Visalia, CA
 Country: USA
 E-mail address: donald.laursen@equitable.com
 Toyota (s) year & model: 85 4Runner
 Are you a TLCA Member (Y/N/Number?): N
 Age: 40
 Occupation: financial advisor
 Marital Status: divorced
 Hobbies: barbershop quartet singing, 4 wheeling
 How did you find out about the Toyota 4x4 Mailing List: current
 subscriber told me
 General info about your vehicle, self, etc.:  was TLCA member 3 yrs ago
 and Treasurer of Toys 4 Fun club in Fresno for several years; son 10 and
 daughter 14; 4Runner is daily driver; mods include replaced stocker
 engine, header, 5.29  gears, rear ARB, 3.5" suspension lift, 33" tires,
 Hella headlights, CB, AM/FM/cassette/CD changer, Smittybilt bumpers
 front/rear and nerfs; like rocks.
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 Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 17:00:46 -0700
 From: "Brandon Miller"  Subject: Re: best lift and stuff for '84 pick-up?
 You can get alcans for less than that, $150 each and as custom as you want.
 I know you said not alcans but it is in the range.  Otherwise downer or
 Trailmaster
 Trailmasters warranty is the best, I have had 3, yes 3, new sets of springs
 shipped to me now questions asked. In case you are wondering why 3 -
 I bent the first pair in a head on, the second sagged till the shackle hit
 the frame, and the last one broke on the Rubicon, under circamstances that
 it probably should have broke, especially since it was about 5 years old and
 had no clamps on it.
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 From: Smith, Steve  To: Toyota Truck List  Date: Thursday, September 17, 1998 2:10 PM
 Subject: best lift and stuff for '84 pick-up?>I have a non-list friend who has an '84 shortbed pickup, and he wants to>know what the best (excluding Alcan or National) spring setup he can get
 is.>Obviously, since the two best are out of the question, keep in mind the>price.  He's looking to spend less than $170 per spring I think.>>Steve S.>>===========================================================================
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 Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 17:10:56 -0700
 From: Barney McNamara  Subject: THE TOY BOX
 I got an email from Corey Maidment  who is making some nice looking fiberglass beds for Toyota
 trucks. I don't know anything about the company or the product.
 He contacted me after seeing my web site, and I offered to pass
 on his info to the group.
 He has a new web page:
 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Flats/1738
 Take a look if you are interested.
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 Barney McNamara              JENNY - 83 Toyota Short Bed
 ( barney@flowpoint.com )     stock 22R motor ; 3" body lift
 Santa Cruz, Ca.              8" alloy rims; 31" BFG A/Ts
 homepage: http://www.scruz.net/~barneym/barnhome.htm
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 Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 20:41:04 -0400
 From: Agustinus Gunawan  Subject: RE: THE TOY BOX
 Nice product but that is extremely expensive for us in US to order from them.
 $1600 bed + $ 430 Tailgate + $500 shipping = $2530 Canadian
 $2530 X 0.65 = $ 1655 US
 my local dealer could get me the original for $1200 delivered.
 I think there are one company in Rhode Island offering for around $900
 But I lost the link to their homepage.
 Anybody have their address and phone no?
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 From:	Barney McNamara [SMTP:barney@flowpoint.com]
 Sent:	Thursday, September 17, 1998 8:11 PM
 To:	Toy4x4@tlca.org; Ddezyner@aol.com
 Subject:	THE TOY BOX
 I got an email from Corey Maidment  who is making some nice looking fiberglass beds for Toyota
 trucks. I don't know anything about the company or the product.
 He contacted me after seeing my web site, and I offered to pass
 on his info to the group.
 He has a new web page:
 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Flats/1738
 Take a look if you are interested.
 ______________________________________________________________
 Barney McNamara              JENNY - 83 Toyota Short Bed
 ( barney@flowpoint.com )     stock 22R motor ; 3" body lift
 Santa Cruz, Ca.              8" alloy rims; 31" BFG A/Ts
 homepage: http://www.scruz.net/~barneym/barnhome.htm
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 Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 20:50:48 EDT
 From: DRM033@aol.com
 Subject: Re: Front main seal leak
 kdb@molmed.ummed.edu writes:>  Are you sure it isn't the oil pump seal? This is easy to replace if this>  is the case.
 Well, how would I know which it is without tearing it all apart first?
 David
 DRM033@aol.com
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 Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 21:02:41 -0400 (EDT)
 From: "Karl D. Bellve, Ph.D."  Subject: Re: Front main seal leak
 On Thu, 17 Sep 1998 DRM033@aol.com wrote:> kdb@molmed.ummed.edu writes:>>>  Are you sure it isn't the oil pump seal? This is easy to replace if this>>  is the case.>> Well, how would I know which it is without tearing it all apart first?>> David
 David,
 As someone else wrote. You need to pull the radiator, fan belts,
 and main pully. Then pull off the oil pump and then check the seals
 (replace anyway). When I had to do this on my old truck, the oil pump
 seals had visible cracks. When I put it all back together, the leak
 stopped. It all took a few hours to do and that was with cleaning parts.
 It is a fairly easy job. Good luck.
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 Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 20:47:17 -0600
 From: Stricklin@tomah.com (Lisa Stricklin)
 Subject: Ford Pick-ups
 I know this is way off the subject, but I`m looking for a Ford pick-up
 site.  I need to find out info about putting a 460 into a 77 F100 Custom
 for a customer. Any info would be great.
 Ken
 stricklin@tomah.com
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 Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 20:48:58 -0500
 From: "Neil McMullen"  Subject: starting question
 I just got a 1996 Toyota Tacoma 4x4 SR5 V6 today.  The truck is great, with
 lots of power and goodies.  The only problem is that it seems to take three
 or four cranks of the motor before it starts up (no matter if hot or cold).
 The cranking sounds fine (not like the battery is bad - I think).  Any ideas
 what might cause this?  Once started it idles and runs great.  I ask,
 because my old 92' Toyota with the 22RE started up everytime instantly with
 me barely turning the key.
 Any ideas?
 Neil
 mailto:mcmullen@asde.com
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 Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 18:58:09 -0700
 From: Jim Brink  Subject: Re: Ford Pick-ups
 Lisa Stricklin wrote:>> I know this is way off the subject, but I`m looking for a Ford pick-up> site.  I need to find out info about putting a 460 into a 77 F100 Custom> for a customer. Any info would be great.
 Ken,
 E-mail me off the list. I have info. on a company that makes the correct
 motor mounts for this kind of swap.
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 Manhattan Beach, CA                  http://www.off-road.com/~toytech/
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 22R - 32x11.50/15 BFG M/T - 4.88s- Downey LSD - EZ Locker
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 Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 22:04:30 -0600
 From: Stricklin@tomah.com (Lisa Stricklin)
 Subject: Wheels
 Hey Alan I`ve got the 15x8 wheels on my 92 with 33x12.5 Dessert Dog`s
 and the only stick out about 1&3/4 of an inch and look GREAT!  If you
 put 31x10.5`s on 15x8`s they just fit inside perfectly.
 Ken
 stricklin@tomah.com
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 Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 19:49:25 -0700
 From: "Calwest"  Subject: Re: Aargh! my 20R spun a bearing!
 Michael, my engine is beginning to die on me also, timing chain, front seal,
 heads possibly cracked. I'm in Mountain View, Ca. If Steve isn't interested,
 I am. E-mail me off-line and let me know what you plan to do.
 Thanks,
 Mike Tiffany
 mwt@calwest.net
 '84 Longbed
 170,000... : /
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 From: Michael Nelson  To: toy4x4@tlca.org  Date: Wednesday, September 16, 1998 4:48 PM
 Subject: Re: Aargh! my 20R spun a bearing!>Smith, Steve wrote:>> Guys, thanks for the responses, but unfortunately, I asked specific Q's,
 and>> it's hard to piece the answers together...soooooo:>> 1)  Has anyone ever swapped a 20R for a 22R in an '80?  If so, would you>> call me collect?  (719) 391-4055 during evening hours.>> 2)  What is a good price for an "all new except for the block, built>> completely by a machinist (known to be one of the best in the state), 2
 year>> /24K warranteed"  20R?  He's asking $1100, and I'm tempted...remember,
 this>> is my daily driver...I need it to run soon.>>>> Steve Smith>>>Steve,> Where are you located?  The reason I ask is that I have a 22RE engine>from an '85 Toyota XCAB.  I was looking to sell it off for about $300.>If you are interested, e-mail me and we can talk.  If not, anyone else>who might be interested in the engine can also feel free to mail me.>>===========================================================================
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 Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 22:24:54 -0500
 From: michael  Subject: Wheels
 15x8's are the way to go IMHO
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 Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 20:59:35 -0700
 From: Chris Geiger  Subject: Re: IFS lifts and rear springs>      1) I seem to remember some negative feedback on the Procomp IFS lift>      kit recently. Could you provide more information as to the problems>      you were having.
 It's got all there bracketts that hang down all over the place, after putting it
 on there are still a lot of places that only have the stock clearence, put a 2"
 body lift on if you want to run 33's>    2) What are some experiences with using just the Rancho upper A-arms?>      What are the advantages of it vs. just the regular Toyota One? Does it>      provide more downward travel?
 The stock axles can't handel more down travel, stuff starts braking.>      3) Does anyone have experience with using the Rancho upper arms with>      WCOR's Axle kits (the $699 kit not the 14" long tavel $1699 kit)? How>      does it work for you? How is it different than the Downey Slip Yoke>      and long travel ball joints? It seems to be more expensive than>      getting the Downey kit but you get less parts.
 You can get into a solid axle for just a little more!>      4) I am considering buying the 4" rear coils from Procomp instead of>      using the 1 1/2" Downey coils with the 1 1/2" spacer. This seems like>      it would provide greater overall travel than the Downey kit.
 Yes more travel, Jay is selling one for $200, modified for 20" of rear travel> Does it>      create more interference problems than the Downey kit due to the>      greater travel (i.e. cutting the gas tank skid plate etc.)? Would you>      have problems with the driveshaft not being able to handle the extra>      travel when you have the swaybars disconnected?
 Nope but you must cut the gas tank skid plat or keep the sway bars and shorter
 shocks on.
 Chris Geiger 93 4Runner http://www.off-road.com/~geiger
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 Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 22:26:09 -0600
 From: Tony Bartlett  Subject: Re:  Front main seal leak
 David, should be very easy, remove your drive belts, remove the bolt for
 your crank pulley.
 Now, carefully, use a couple of screwdrivers and pry out the seal. I
 think when I did mine I removed the oil pump.
 On a 85 22RE the torque for the Crankshaft pulley bolt is 116 ft/lb.
 I also had to do it twice and install a speedy sleeve because of wear on
 the crank.
 Toyota Tony
 http://www.digitalpla.net/~offroader
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 Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 00:48:23 -0500 (US Eastern Standard Time)
 From: "Ebersold, Chance J"  Subject: 2" body lift on 1st gen 4runner
 I just wanted to know if anyone had any recomendations on
 where to get on and any helpful hints about installation.
 Chance
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 Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 22:44:15 -0700
 From: Jim Brink  Subject: Re: Clutch wont release!  "The solution"
 Steve Keene wrote:> Well that's the story,  anyone else have an> opinion on the Downey Clutch?
 I like mine. It stands up to the abuse better than the Centerforce I
 did. Don't get me wrong, the CF was a great (90k miles worth) clutch. I
 just think the Super Clutch is specifically designed for Toyota
 applications and the CF uses general technology for all vehicles.
 The SC engages closer to the floor than the CF did. Takes some getting
 used to. Just my opinion, but what do I know?  ;-)
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 Manhattan Beach, CA                  http://www.off-road.com/~toytech/
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