Toyota 4x4 digest:     Friday, September 11 1998     Volume 02 : Number 076
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 Re: bumpstops
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 Re: Creaking Suspension
 Parts for sale
 RE: 231 chevy in toyota
 Re: Bongs
 2" vs. 2.5" exhaust
 Re: 350 chevy in toyota
 RE: 350 chevy in toyota
 Re: High Idle at sea level
 RE: High Idle at sea level
 Opinions sought on 4-cylinder 4Runner
 Re: 350 chevy in toyota
 Tranny troubles
 Re: Dakota Challenge
 Re: 350 chevy in toyota
 RE: Clunk when I stop
 Re: theft protection
 Re[2]: Rethink on solid axle swap
 AC problem?
 Full Time 4Runner
 Jacobs etc.
 RE: Clunk when I stop
 Re: 2" vs. 2.5" exhaust
 350 chevy in toyota
 RE: Opinions sought on 4-cylinder 4Runner
 Installing Old Man Emu Coils
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 Re: 350 chevy in toyota
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 Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 21:43:49 -0700
 From: Jon Brandt  Subject: Re: bumpstops
 In short, you will break your CV joints, if not your ball joints in 2WD
 first! Just grind them down a bit, you don't have to go overboard!!!
 Jon Brandt
 Hollis Ferris wrote:>> Somebody give me some good reasons not to torch off the upper bumpstops> for more droop.. seems like a great idea to me Hollis .......>> ============================================================================> Toyota 4x4 page: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota
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 Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 21:50:38 -0700
 From: Jon Brandt  Subject: Re: Torsion Bars & Alignment
 YES
 Doug wrote:>> My torsion bars were cranked up when I got a 4" Pro-Comp lift installed> on my '91 p/u... and now I want to lower the front (WAY too high).> Would lowering the front an inch put the truck out of alignment?>> Thanks,> --> Doug>> ============================================================================> Toyota 4x4 page: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota
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 Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 21:55:21 -0700
 From: "Brandon Miller"  Subject: Re: Creaking Suspension
 That is the way toyotas sound, all you can do is get new springs - or live
 with it.  Mine has creaked forever it seems but wheels awesome.
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 From:  To:  Date: Wednesday, September 09, 1998 11:52 AM
 Subject: Creaking Suspension>        I went 4-wheeling in the Sierras about 2 weeks ago on some rocky>     trails. It was dry with some dust. The problem I am experiencing is an>     annoying creak which occurs when I am stopping or driving away from a>     stop. It appears to have something to do with the suspension loading>     or unloading. I am thinking that something down there is dry or has a>     bunch of dust in it. I cleaned the underside of the truck with a hose>     when we got back but the noise was still there afterwards.>>     Any suggestions?>>     Thanks, John.>>>===========================================================================
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 Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 21:54:57 -0700
 From: "Allen Jensen"  Subject: Parts for sale
 I came across a guy in southern California who has a 1991 4Runner V6
 transmission and transfer case with 40,000 miles on them for $300.  He has
 stock aluminum rims, 15x7 I think, for $200 for the set.  He also has a V6
 block and misc. parts.  You can reach him at 949-645-5740.  His name is
 Jim.
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 Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 22:56:54 -0700
 From: "Kenneth Sigel"  Subject: RE: 231 chevy in toyota
 The engine in my truck is almost brand new now, but if I ever buy an 85
 4Runner, I'd probably consider the 3.8 and TH350.  I like the idea of not
 moving the transfer case.  The main reason I'd want the V6 would be so it
 has enough power to turn an automatic.  With my crawler, the V6, and the
 auto, I'd have an easy time through the Rubicon.
 Another possibility is that I go with an '89 4Runner with a 3.0L V6.  How do
 all of the V6 guys like their engines?  How's the power when driving over
 7500 ft?  Is there any way to get a crawler behind the stock automatic?
 Ken
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 Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 23:03:12 -0700
 From: "Calwest"  Subject: Re: Bongs
 Talk about 'up in smoke'!
 Mike
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 From: David Gibbs  To: toy4x4@tlca.org  Date: Thursday, September 10, 1998 11:49 AM
 Subject: Bongs>Someone wrote,>>"Also will the Nissan bong referenced fit in the Tacoma Diff as well?">>  If you are trying to hide your bong the gas tank is a much better spot>                                                                    David
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 Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 23:10:44 -0700
 From: "Kenneth Sigel"  Subject: 2" vs. 2.5" exhaust
 I'm definitely looking for power in the low end...  though that might change
 if I ever put another t-case next to my crawler box.
 Ken
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 Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 23:17:19 -0700
 From: "Calwest"  Subject: Re: 350 chevy in toyota
 I saw in LC Engineering's catalog a high-performance, Kalifornia emissions
 legal engine that reportedly puts out about 130 hp plus more low and mid
 range torque. Their price was $2600 plus about $100.00 for shipping. Plus
 they'll buy your old engine from you. It seems that for the extra power plus
 an easy install without welding or adapters this is a heck of a deal!
 Anybody out there using a complete LC Engineering 22R / 22RE engine? My
 beastie has a leaking front seal, timing chain noise and hydrocarbon
 emissions detected in the coolant (head gasket or cracked head?). Instead of
 having it rebuilt, (ain't got tools or garage), I figured the LC solution
 might be worth looking at. Comments?
 Mike Tiffany
 '84 Longbed
 170,000... :>{
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 From: Charles Brooks  To: toy4x4@tlca.org  Date: Thursday, September 10, 1998 3:02 PM
 Subject: Re: 350 chevy in toyota>Scott Ellinger wrote:>>>> If in your eyes, the 22R is still a viable engine for the truck,>> don't do the 350.>>>> FWIW, I think my 5.0 (Ford) engine swap ran me about $4k in parts>> only, plus later replacement of front and rear axles, etc., plus>> a sum total of months of vehicle down time (counting the engine>> swap, the axle swapping, and all the other stuff) and a year or>> so of prepping to do the engine swap.>>I've got to agree with Scott. I've been doing alot of research into>swaps lately. The cheapest route I've come across (And decided to do)>is the Buick 231. The downside is that I won't even have CLOSE to the>OOommphh that scott has. The V8 swaps are more time consuming, more>expensive, and more fabrication. But you do get more *POWER* Arrggg!!>>Charles Brooks>>===========================================================================
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 Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 23:42:56 -0700
 From: "Kenneth Sigel"  Subject: RE: 350 chevy in toyota
 I spent $3391 to have Toyota rebuild my 22RE last year.  That was including
 a new clutch, water pump, oil pump...  in fact everything was new except for
 the block, head and cam.  I'm at 23k miles now and it runs great.  The only
 thing I haven't liked is that they didn't replace my O2 sensor - they said
 that it was ok and didn't need to be replaced.
 Ken
 - -----Original Message-----
 From:	owner-toy4x4@tlca.org [mailto:owner-toy4x4@tlca.org] On Behalf Of
 Calwest
 Sent:	Thursday, September 10, 1998 11:17 PM
 To:	toy4x4@tlca.org
 Subject:	Re: 350 chevy in toyota
 I saw in LC Engineering's catalog a high-performance, Kalifornia emissions
 legal engine that reportedly puts out about 130 hp plus more low and mid
 range torque. Their price was $2600 plus about $100.00 for shipping. Plus
 they'll buy your old engine from you. It seems that for the extra power plus
 an easy install without welding or adapters this is a heck of a deal!
 Anybody out there using a complete LC Engineering 22R / 22RE engine? My
 beastie has a leaking front seal, timing chain noise and hydrocarbon
 emissions detected in the coolant (head gasket or cracked head?). Instead of
 having it rebuilt, (ain't got tools or garage), I figured the LC solution
 might be worth looking at. Comments?
 Mike Tiffany
 '84 Longbed
 170,000... :>{
 - -----Original Message-----
 From: Charles Brooks  To: toy4x4@tlca.org  Date: Thursday, September 10, 1998 3:02 PM
 Subject: Re: 350 chevy in toyota>Scott Ellinger wrote:>>>> If in your eyes, the 22R is still a viable engine for the truck,>> don't do the 350.>>>> FWIW, I think my 5.0 (Ford) engine swap ran me about $4k in parts>> only, plus later replacement of front and rear axles, etc., plus>> a sum total of months of vehicle down time (counting the engine>> swap, the axle swapping, and all the other stuff) and a year or>> so of prepping to do the engine swap.>>I've got to agree with Scott. I've been doing alot of research into>swaps lately. The cheapest route I've come across (And decided to do)>is the Buick 231. The downside is that I won't even have CLOSE to the>OOommphh that scott has. The V8 swaps are more time consuming, more>expensive, and more fabrication. But you do get more *POWER* Arrggg!!>>Charles Brooks>>===========================================================================
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 Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 23:44:38 -0700
 From: Jim Brink  Subject: Re: High Idle at sea level
 Kenneth Sigel wrote:>> Whenever I drive from Reno (4500 ft) to Napa (Sea Level), my engine idles> high ~1200rpm.  When I get back to Reno, it usually goes back to normal.  My> engine has 20k miles on it, Downey header, 2.5" exhaust and EFI.>> Any ideas?  Could the O2 sensor have something to do with it?
 Ken,
 Was your truck purchased in Reno or CA? If it is equipped with a HAC
 valve (High-Altitude Compensation), most likely the HAC valve diaphram
 or related vacuum valve is stuck, not uncommon though on Toyotas over 10
 years old. Basically, this is just a controlled vacuum leak that is
 activated over 4000' elevation. Your O2 sensor is not sensitive to
 elevation.
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 Jim Brink     Toyota/ASE Certified Technician     toytech@off-road.com
 Manhattan Beach, CA                  http://www.off-road.com/~toytech/
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 22R - 32x11.50/15 BFG M/T - 4.88s- Downey LSD - EZ Locker
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 Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 23:59:47 -0700
 From: "Kenneth Sigel"  Subject: RE: High Idle at sea level
 Nope...  I bought it in Napa.  The original owner bought it in San Jose, CA.
 - -----Original Message-----
 Kenneth Sigel wrote:>> Whenever I drive from Reno (4500 ft) to Napa (Sea Level), my engine idles> high ~1200rpm.  When I get back to Reno, it usually goes back to normal.
 My> engine has 20k miles on it, Downey header, 2.5" exhaust and EFI.>> Any ideas?  Could the O2 sensor have something to do with it?
 Ken,
 Was your truck purchased in Reno or CA? If it is equipped with a HAC
 valve (High-Altitude Compensation), most likely the HAC valve diaphram
 or related vacuum valve is stuck, not uncommon though on Toyotas over 10
 years old. Basically, this is just a controlled vacuum leak that is
 activated over 4000' elevation. Your O2 sensor is not sensitive to
 elevation.
 - --
 Jim Brink     Toyota/ASE Certified Technician     toytech@off-road.com
 Manhattan Beach, CA                  http://www.off-road.com/~toytech/
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 1986 Toyota Standard Bed 4WD
 22R - 32x11.50/15 BFG M/T - 4.88s- Downey LSD - EZ Locker
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 TLCA  -  Friends of the Mojave Road  -  CA4WDC
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 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 08:16:10 -0400
 From: James J Williams  Subject: Opinions sought on 4-cylinder 4Runner
 I was scared off by the price of the v6 also.
 I drove a 4cyl 2wheel drive (4x4 4cyls were pretty rare then, too) and
 was surprised by the balls it had.
 The difference between the 4cyl and 6 cyl is night and day.  The 6 has
 lots of low end as you would expect, and both rev pretty well at the
 top.
 My experience was that ANYTHING with a diff lock (except the Limited)
 was a nightmare to get so be prepared.  Mine took 6 months to get.
 I ended up with the '97 SR5 4x4 5spd with diff lock and 31" wheel/tire
 combo and additional goodies like sunroof and fog lights, etc but no
 running boards, no leather, no gold emblems.  Even when I shell out that
 HUGE monthly payment, I have NO regrets.  The V6 has lots of power and
 lots of torque, and although I don't wheel that much, it's taken
 everything I've thrown at it so far.  I'm getting 21-22 mpg around town
 and nearly 24 mpg on the highway (gotta love it!)
 The thing that changed my mind was my previous vehicle.  It was an old
 s-10 blazer with no options.  It had no a/c or other creature comforts
 which made it suck on long trips (4 wheeling or not, long trips on the
 highway are a reality), and it was real hard to sell because it was so
 plain (well, and because it was a chevy!).  I wanted to have a truck
 that I liked.  I didn't want to get in, crank up and think, "damn, I
 shoulda spent $200 on power windows" or when trying to pass an 18
 wheeler on a single lane road with my foot on the floor and traffic
 coming thinking," damn, I should have gotten the v6."
 I had trouble finding a 6cyl with a 5speed in the early days.  I drove a
 5speed v6 taco just to get the feel.  Ultimately I found a 5speed
 4runner and it wasn't that much different from the taco.  You may be
 able to drive a 4cyl 2wd runner or try a 4cyl 4x4 taco, but don't order
 the truck without driving one.
 I recommend shopping lots.  Go to www.kbb.com (kelly blue book) and find
 out what the dealer pays for what you want and LOW BALL HIM.  I saved
 $4600 off sticker on mine and that more than made up for the difference
 between the 4cyl and 6cyl.
 good luck!
 Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 15:20:01 -0700
 From: "Baltzly, Michael R(C05422)"  Subject: Opinions sought on 4-cylinder 4Runner
 I am shopping for new 4Runner to replace my beloved 1985 truck.  I am
 seriously considering getting a 4-cylinder 5-speed model with the 31"
 tires, diff lock, AC, and not much else.  Money is a factor, and I
 figure that even the most basic 1999 4Runner will be a huge upgrade from
 my old truck.  It looks like the price differential between the base
 model and the SR5 (6-cylinder + a few goodies) is about $3000.
 I would like to hear what others think about the idea of getting a
 4-cylinder.  It seems that 4-cylinder 4WDs are incredibly rare compared
 to SR5s and Limiteds--is this just because of the yuppie emphasis, or is
 the 4 really that anemic?  I have been satisfied with my carbed 22R for
 the past 14 years and I don't have any sudden urge to burn rubber.  I am
 having a such a hard time finding a 4-cylinder 4WD that I might end up
 having to place an order without having driven one.
 Mike
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 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 06:38:32 -0600 (MDT)
 From: Scott Ellinger  Subject: Re: 350 chevy in toyota> Just a quick question, has anyone on the list done a complete swap? Like> yanking a complete chevy motor, trans, transfer and trtansplanting into> a Toy? Seems like it'd be a MUCH cheaper way to go for V-8 power. You'd> just have to fab the mounts....> I did almost this much; when I did my engine swap, I removed the Toy
 engine, tranny, and transfer, moved the transfer case to the back of the
 waiting NV4500, and stuffed the new combo in.  Only had to fab engine
 mounts, and reused the stock driveshafts (for a month or so.... but that's
 a different story)
 There were other incidental things, too, like radiator mounting, EFI
 electrical, plumbing, etc., but the physical swap was relatively easy.
 - --scott
 Scott Ellinger   ellinger@holly.colostate.edu   Larimer County 4WD Club
 Visit my Home Page: http://holly.colostate.edu/~ellinger
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 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 08:39:25 -0400
 From: Brian Rau  Subject: Tranny troubles
 My '91 4Runner V6 with 5-speed and 116k miles has developed some
 transmission-related "issues" lately, and I'm trying to put the pieces
 together into what might be going wrong.  I first noticed that it would
 occasionally pop out of first gear, usually when first starting from a dead
 stop, and also sometimes when in reverse the back-up lights won't come on.
 I thought perhaps I had a worn shifter bushing (been there before), but
 checked it last weekend and it looks good as new.  The other clue I've
 noticed for the past month or so is a new engine-RPM-related noise from the
 engine/tranny area that starts about 3000 RPM and up - kind of an
 additional "RRRRRRR..." on top of the usual engine rev noises.  It seems to
 only make this noise when cold, just the first mile or so of driving, and
 only when the clutch is released (driving).  Revving the engine in neutral
 or with the clutch depressed does not seem to produce the additional sound.
 My guess would be a bearing of some sort.  I had the clutch replaced last
 year, but not at a dealer, and I don't have a detailed breakdown of the
 parts used, other than "clutch kit".  Does this sound like anything in
 particular, or just a tired tranny getting ready for retirement (gulp!)?
 - - Brian
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 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 06:44:55 -0600 (MDT)
 From: Scott Ellinger  Subject: Re: Dakota Challenge> Sounds like fun Scott...  when are we doing Rubicon?
 I might be up for it next summer, but it'll be early enough to where I'm
 looking at snow-bashing it.  By then, I'm planning to be fully desert-
 race prepped on the suspension (getting close now) and looking to really
 "run" it where possible.  :)
 I already tried once; learned quite a lesson in the true usefulness of a
 tow rig and flatbed trailer (which I didn't have at the time) when you're
 heading for wicked 'wheeling far from home.
 For those that don't remember, to make a long story short, I trashed a
 Ford 9" rear end (I saved the case, housing, and LockRight, and threw
 the rest away) a smog pump, an electric fan, and a set of brake pads,
 got a ticket in Utah, and spent a fortune putting my truck back together
 in time to drive home within the week.
 - --scott
 Scott Ellinger   ellinger@holly.colostate.edu   Larimer County 4WD Club
 Visit my Home Page: http://holly.colostate.edu/~ellinger
 '86 Toy pickup body, Ford 5.0, GMC NV4500, "slightly altered" RKSTMPR
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 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 07:14:35 -0600 (MDT)
 From: Scott Ellinger  Subject: Re: 350 chevy in toyota>> FWIW, I think my 5.0 (Ford) engine swap ran me about $4k in parts>> only, plus later replacement of front and rear axles, etc., plus>> a sum total of months of vehicle down time (counting the engine>> swap, the axle swapping, and all the other stuff) and a year or>> so of prepping to do the engine swap.>> I've got to agree with Scott. I've been doing alot of research into> swaps lately. The cheapest route I've come across (And decided to do)> is the Buick 231. The downside is that I won't even have CLOSE to the> OOommphh that scott has. The V8 swaps are more time consuming, more> expensive, and more fabrication. But you do get more *POWER* Arrggg!!> Power=Breakage far too often...
 Catch my mention above of axles, etc.?  I didn't even try this with a
 stock transmission.  But I trashed my Toy IFS front, severely, once,
 my Toy 8" rear (four times) and a 9" rear once.  Ask yourself, very
 seriously, whether you're willing to swap out all that stuff, or can
 you limit yourself to half throttle on the V8 if you do it.  One or
 two of those Toy 8" diffs that I demolished were only on the street,
 with an open diff, because I didn't have a front diff at all at the
 time.
 To be honest, if I was going to do this over again (and I just may)
 I'd probably go with a 4.3 V6, mid-engine it, and go full IS with
 9" diffs.  In a custom tube chassis.
 Maybe a V8, since space wouldn't be a concern at that point.
 If I was going to do it realistically again, I'd probably go with a
 shortbox frame, extended cab '88 V6, on the shortbox frame, whack
 the room out of the bed to make it fit, bobtail it, crawl box it,
 and leave the engine stock Toy.
 And somewhat more realistically, a straight-out shortbox truck with
 a 4.3 would suit me fine.
 What am I actually likely to do on my next Toy project?  Guess... :)
 - --scott
 Scott Ellinger   ellinger@holly.colostate.edu   Larimer County 4WD Club
 Visit my Home Page: http://holly.colostate.edu/~ellinger
 '86 Toy pickup body, Ford 5.0, GMC NV4500, "slightly altered" RKSTMPR
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 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 07:33:32 -0600
 From: "Smith, Steve"  Subject: RE: Clunk when I stop
 I should have been more descriptive...The clunk happens whether I'm in 2WD
 or 4WD, whether the hubs are lockes or not.  I hear it near the front
 driver's side.  I've had my girlfriend to stop and I was outside trying to
 hear it, but it's very hard to hear from the outside vs. inside.  It seems
 like if I stop hard for an extended time (continuing to increase brake
 pressure) I get more than one clunk.  Any ideas guys?
 Steve S.
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 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 08:44:40 -0500 (CDT)
 From: Brian Wiencek  Subject: Re: theft protection> It's a device like the "Club" that attaches to the steering wheel, and if> someone tampers with it, it first sounds an alarm and then powers itself> up to give a shock to anyone that touches it. It's supposed to be a very> low amperage (non-lethal) shocks, about .0002 amps, but running at 50,000
 Well, one of the news TV shows did a deal on that one - it broke as fast
 as the club, and it was defeated with either a couple of blows with a
 hammer or a pair of thick rubber gloves.... Still it was "some" protectin
 and did slow down their "experts"
 - - Brian
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 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:46:25 -0400
 From: adickenson@kpmg.com
 Subject: Re[2]: Rethink on solid axle swap>I can attest to that, I live 50 miles south of DC and we go wheeling>up on South capitol street every other month or so to stay in>practice, Lol!>Charles Brooks
 Charles,
 I'm trying to put together a trail ride in the GW National Forest for
 anybody on the list that can make it.  Let me know your email address
 and I'll add you to the list if you'd like.
 Allen D.  - adickenson@kpmg.com
 1995 4Runner - "FT KNOX"
 1972 FJ-40 - deceased....for now
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 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:53:29 -0400
 From: Ed.Wong@astramerck.com
 Subject: AC problem?
 Its not clear....
 the fan wont blow at all (with or without the AC) or just wont blow when
 the AC switch is on?
 As far as the fan - there is a "resistor pad" that sits in the vent duct.
 Its stuck
 into the pass side vent duct down near the passenger's feet. I dont recall
 that you have to remove the glove box to get at it. Look for wires (3-4) in
 a harness/tube that goes to a plug that smack in the middle of a heater
 duct. The socket part is held to the duct with 1 or 2 small sheet metal
 type
 screws. When you remove it , there are "toaster" coils. These wires are
 used
 to controlthe fan speed. Usually only the low speed goes... but sometimes
 people start using the med and that goes too.
 If the AC is not going on (aka the fan works but its not cooling) check the
 obvious stuff first - like low Freon/R-12 levels. There is a soda can sized
 thin (drier?) located on the front of the radiator that has "hard" lines
 going
 to it. There is a "sight glass" on top of it. If its "foamy" when  the AC
 clutch engages - thats not good.
 EWong
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 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 10:00:22 -0400
 From: Ed.Wong@astramerck.com
 Subject: Full Time 4Runner
 Eli wrote:
 I would love to have a Toyota with a transfer that let's you have 2WD, AWD
 ("Full-Time" 4WD), 4WD Hi, 4WD Lo. And of course, it'd be nice to have 4WD
 Lo Lo.........>>> I too had thought about this.
 The only case I am aware of that has this feature was avail
 on a late 80/early90 mitsu. All the other cases I am aware
 of that have full time do NOT have a part time option.
 Justto add to Eli's dream xfer box...
 2WD driving the rear axle
 2WD driving the front axle
 4WD with a torsen driving the front/rear split
 4WD with the front rear locked
 Then there the aux gear box - a Marlin dual
 setup with a set of 2.27 stockers and a set for 4.70
 so that you could get 4 speeds out of the box.
 Then the main tranny should have 6 speeds - a second
 overdrive so that I can run an axle ratio numericaly
 higher for around town accel but keep highway rpms down.
 To top it off - manual locking torsens diffs inside
 a quick change gear ratio diff case (I dont think there
 is such an animal as a manul locking torsen - yet)
 Ewong
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 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 10:07:53 -0400
 From: Ed.Wong@astramerck.com
 Subject: Jacobs etc.
 IMHO - Save the $$ on the Jacobs and get an exhaust system or an LC
 Engineering
 header or both. I have a Jacobs and I dont think it does anything. Also,
 while
 they Jacobs guy do warrantee their wires - I have found that they break
 constantly on me (pull apart when changing plugs) I swithced to Magnecore
 and also got better radio reception.
 Also - as an EE by "degree", I am leary of "chips". Its not clear what they
 do, and a
 "generic" chip IMHO only bumps the timing up to take advantage of the use
 of a higher octane gas. You can do this for free by bumping the timing.
 Some claim to alter the injector pulse widths - but at anything other than
 "full throttle",
 I do not see how this does anything. The TCCS EFI that Toyota uses has some
 "adaptive" capability. If it thinks its too rich - it will cut back the
 fuel - which leaves
 you right back to where you started.
 IMHO - for most engines - its the air thats the limiting factor - not the
 fuel.
 Start by airflow improvements - exhaust/header
 Continue with valve timing - cam
 Follow with forced induction or nitrous...
 Or just skip the whole bolt on route and go for cubic inches - V8
 EWong
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 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 10:20:04 -0400
 From: Agustinus Gunawan  Subject: RE: Clunk when I stop
 Did you just have a brake job?
 Maybe you lost the anti rattle spring that hold the pad off the rotor. I have this same sound bothering me about a year.  Finally I found that the dealer did a brake job before I buy the truck and they lost the anti rattle spring. Check the front caliper and there should be a spring between the pads.
 It is just a small spring but cost about $5.25 a piece from the dealer.
 It doesn't exactly match your description but it doesn't hurt to check.
 - -----Original Message-----
 From:	Smith, Steve [SMTP:SSmith@stai.com]
 I should have been more descriptive...The clunk happens whether I'm in 2WD
 or 4WD, whether the hubs are lockes or not.  I hear it near the front
 driver's side.  I've had my girlfriend to stop and I was outside trying to
 hear it, but it's very hard to hear from the outside vs. inside.  It seems
 like if I stop hard for an extended time (continuing to increase brake
 pressure) I get more than one clunk.  Any ideas guys?
 Steve S.
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 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 08:50:05 -0400
 From: "Karl Bellve, Ph.D."  Subject: Re: 2" vs. 2.5" exhaust
 Kenneth Sigel wrote:>> I'm definitely looking for power in the low end...  though that might change> if I ever put another t-case next to my crawler box.>> Ken> I have a SS 2.5" exhaust system plus a NWOR header. The power at the low
 end is atleast the same as the stock engine if not a little more. The
 power does come on stronger around 2000rpm and on up. I believe my
 highway RPM is about 2500rpm, right in the power band. So, a header +
 2.5 exahust might not help you crawling but I don't think you need much
 help there anyway. A gear reduction is a better choice for crawling. But
 if you need more power at highway speed or for passing people, then a
 2.5" exhaust is the way to go. I regularly crusing between 70-80mph
 (fully loaded or not) and the truck isn't even working hard. I bet I
 could do over 100mph easily. Then I talk to other people I have wheeled
 with and they can't even maintain 70mph (loaded) with a stock
 engine/exhaust. I have a 1985 22RE with a K&N air filter, NWOR header,
 and a custom  2.5" exhaust.
 - --
 Cheers,
 Karl Bellve, Ph.D.                   ICQ# 13956200
 Biomedical Imaging Group               IM: kbellve
 University of Massachusetts
 Email: kdb@molmed.ummed.edu
 Phone: (508) 856-6514
 Fax:   (508) 856-1840
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 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 08:10:56 -0700
 From: Barney McNamara  Subject: 350 chevy in toyota
 K.C. wrote:>Shoul i put the 350 in or rebuild the 22r>Any help from somebody who has done the swap will be useful>you can send directly to me at burton@sisna.com
 There are a couple threads on swaps on my site:
 http://www.scruz.net/~barneym/toy_root/techtalk/engine/mtr_swap.htm
 and
 http://www.scruz.net/~barneym/toy_root/techtalk/engine/v8_swaps.htm
 You might get some ideas from there.
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 Barney McNamara              JENNY - 83 Toyota Short Bed
 ( barney@flowpoint.com )     stock 22R motor ; 3" body lift
 Santa Cruz, Ca.              8" alloy rims; 31" BFG A/Ts
 homepage: http://www.scruz.net/~barneym/barnhome.htm
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 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 08:17:00 -0700
 From: "Kenneth Sigel"  Subject: RE: Opinions sought on 4-cylinder 4Runner
 I completely agree James.  DO NOT buy a 4Runner until you're sure.  Though
 the 22RE is a great engine, it doesn't have enough power.  I paid $7500 for
 my '88 pickup in '91 and told myself that the 4 cyl was ok.  After all, I
 lived in Napa, CA, and it's got plenty of zip down there.  Now that I'm in
 Reno, NV, I've changed my mind.  At 4500ft, the 22RE has lost the edge.  I
 have to push it over the sierras.  I'd like to be able to pass people going
 over the mountain.  Also, I will never buy a truck without A/C again.  I
 bought my truck in December and thought, "I won't need air..."  Anyone like
 the recent hotspells this summer?  Me too.
 Ken
 - -----Original Message-----
 From:	owner-toy4x4@tlca.org [mailto:owner-toy4x4@tlca.org] On Behalf Of
 James J Williams
 Sent:	Friday, September 11, 1998 5:16 AM
 To:	toy4x4@tlca.org; MBALTZLY@apsc.com
 Subject:	Opinions sought on 4-cylinder 4Runner
 I was scared off by the price of the v6 also.
 I drove a 4cyl 2wheel drive (4x4 4cyls were pretty rare then, too) and
 was surprised by the balls it had.
 The difference between the 4cyl and 6 cyl is night and day.  The 6 has
 lots of low end as you would expect, and both rev pretty well at the
 top.
 My experience was that ANYTHING with a diff lock (except the Limited)
 was a nightmare to get so be prepared.  Mine took 6 months to get.
 I ended up with the '97 SR5 4x4 5spd with diff lock and 31" wheel/tire
 combo and additional goodies like sunroof and fog lights, etc but no
 running boards, no leather, no gold emblems.  Even when I shell out that
 HUGE monthly payment, I have NO regrets.  The V6 has lots of power and
 lots of torque, and although I don't wheel that much, it's taken
 everything I've thrown at it so far.  I'm getting 21-22 mpg around town
 and nearly 24 mpg on the highway (gotta love it!)
 The thing that changed my mind was my previous vehicle.  It was an old
 s-10 blazer with no options.  It had no a/c or other creature comforts
 which made it suck on long trips (4 wheeling or not, long trips on the
 highway are a reality), and it was real hard to sell because it was so
 plain (well, and because it was a chevy!).  I wanted to have a truck
 that I liked.  I didn't want to get in, crank up and think, "damn, I
 shoulda spent $200 on power windows" or when trying to pass an 18
 wheeler on a single lane road with my foot on the floor and traffic
 coming thinking," damn, I should have gotten the v6."
 I had trouble finding a 6cyl with a 5speed in the early days.  I drove a
 5speed v6 taco just to get the feel.  Ultimately I found a 5speed
 4runner and it wasn't that much different from the taco.  You may be
 able to drive a 4cyl 2wd runner or try a 4cyl 4x4 taco, but don't order
 the truck without driving one.
 I recommend shopping lots.  Go to www.kbb.com (kelly blue book) and find
 out what the dealer pays for what you want and LOW BALL HIM.  I saved
 $4600 off sticker on mine and that more than made up for the difference
 between the 4cyl and 6cyl.
 good luck!
 Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 15:20:01 -0700
 From: "Baltzly, Michael R(C05422)"  Subject: Opinions sought on 4-cylinder 4Runner
 I am shopping for new 4Runner to replace my beloved 1985 truck.  I am
 seriously considering getting a 4-cylinder 5-speed model with the 31"
 tires, diff lock, AC, and not much else.  Money is a factor, and I
 figure that even the most basic 1999 4Runner will be a huge upgrade from
 my old truck.  It looks like the price differential between the base
 model and the SR5 (6-cylinder + a few goodies) is about $3000.
 I would like to hear what others think about the idea of getting a
 4-cylinder.  It seems that 4-cylinder 4WDs are incredibly rare compared
 to SR5s and Limiteds--is this just because of the yuppie emphasis, or is
 the 4 really that anemic?  I have been satisfied with my carbed 22R for
 the past 14 years and I don't have any sudden urge to burn rubber.  I am
 having a such a hard time finding a 4-cylinder 4WD that I might end up
 having to place an order without having driven one.
 Mike
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 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 11:21:59 -0400
 From: "Tom Pechkovsky"  Subject: Installing Old Man Emu Coils
 I have a 92 4Runner.  Just wondering  what I need to do to install the OME rear springs.
 I imagine I need some new brake lines, and the drop down bracket,(or have one made like Shane?).  My current RS9000's are for stock height so until I get new ones their shouldn't be any problems with the drive shaft and gas tank contact, right??  I guess I run the risk of wrecking my current shocks if they become over extended?
 Anything else I should prepare for??  Are bradded brake lines worth the $75 bucks they want at the local shop?  Do I need to do anything with the proportioning sensor for the rear brakes.
 One last question.  I asked this before so I'm sorry if I somehow missed the response but what is the best way to disconnect the ABS sensor  and computer, (which currently gives me an annoying orange light most of the time).  How do I make sure I don't get that light on all the time?
 Thanks in advance.
 Tom Pechkovsky
 pechkot@ycdsb.edu.on.ca
 92 4Runner.
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 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 08:24:27 -0700
 From: Ken Emanuel  Subject: V06 Campaign
 Is this V06 head gasket campaign going to end sometime in the near future?
 I have a '94 V6 with 83,500 miles on it. The timing belt was done at 61,000
 miles and I would prefer to wait a year or two before having the
 headgaskets and timing belt replaced.
 Please let me know if you have any knowledge of this campaign.  Thanks.
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 '87 Xtra Cab SR5
 '94 Xtra Cab SR5 V6
 http://webpages.csus.edu/~sac75830/toystuff.htm
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 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 11:55:11 -0400
 From: "NUNES, ROB"  Subject: $-Runner Air Bags
 What year did Toyota start installing air bags in the 4-Runner?
 Was it '94?
 Was '96 the year they added a bag to the passenger side?
 Rob Nunes
 Massachusetts
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 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:09:41 -0700
 From: storage@cncnet.com (Casagrande Storage)
 Subject: overcharge
 Help, my son's 1983 22r with transistorised IC voltage regulator is
 overcharging, like up to 17+ volts. I tried replacing the regulator, but
 did not help. It must not be sensing that everything is already charged.
 Broken wire somewhere maybe. Unsure, now whats the next step????????
 Dave C
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 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 98 12:05:00 -0500
 From: Rosenberger Bud  Subject: Left Coast (was Re: Rethink on solid axl
 adickenson@kpmg.com wrote:>>>>      Seriously though, I envy you left coasters for the number of
 trails>>      available out there.  Hmmmmm....you think I can convince my
 girlfriend>>      that a wheelin' trip out west would be a great, romantic
 vacation?>>      ;-P
 Kathy wasn't convinced that going wheeling with you guys up in Vermont
 was like a second honeymoon.  We even went to some of the same places we
 went 18 years ago and she still wasn't convinced!  She said it was
 something to do with those "BANG, SCRAPE, GRIND" noises that turned her
 off!
 Kathy wasn't
 Karl wrote:
 * I am already working on my wife about it.
 Let us all know how you do it!
 Bud
 Who is glad that his wife didn't go to Pine Barrens to hear the " clunk,
 clunk, clunk, clunk..."
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 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:09:33 -0700
 From: "Vic & Lorelei"  Subject: Re: 350 chevy in toyota
 Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 19:30:41 -0500
 From: Robert Stein  Subject: Re: 350 chevy in toyota
 Just a quick question, has anyone on the list done a complete swap? Like
 yanking a complete chevy motor, trans, transfer and transplanting into
 a Toy? Seems like it'd be a MUCH cheaper way to go for V-8 power. You'd
 just have to fab the mounts....
 JUST a thought,,,,,,,,,
 Robert
 Yes I did this in my swap. It took around 60 hours and $1200 US an I was
 driving down the road.
 Check out my webpage for info on it.
 Vic
 When approaching a four-way stop,
 the vehicle with the largest tires
 always has the right of way.
 ICQ # 895123
 http://www.members.cnx.net/vsery/
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 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 11:30:19 -0500
 From: Ryan Beal  Subject: RE: Installing Old Man Emu Coils
 Downey offers a full kit with springs and brake hose and brackets.  The
 only thing the kit doesn't come with is the shocks.  I just ordered mine
 and will be putting them in this weekend.
 Ryan S. Beal
 rbeal@rftechnologies.com
 1990 4Runner and many mods.
 Web Page:
 http://members.wbs.net/homepages/r/y/a/ryans4runner/> ----------> From: 	Tom Pechkovsky[SMTP:pechkot@ycdsb.edu.on.ca]> Reply To: 	toy4x4@tlca.org> Sent: 	Friday, September 11, 1998 10:21 AM> To: 	toy4x4@tlca.org> Subject: 	Installing Old Man Emu Coils>> I have a 92 4Runner.  Just wondering  what I need to do to install the> OME rear springs.>> I imagine I need some new brake lines, and the drop down bracket,(or> have one made like Shane?).  My current RS9000's are for stock height> so until I get new ones their shouldn't be any problems with the drive> shaft and gas tank contact, right??  I guess I run the risk of> wrecking my current shocks if they become over extended?>> Anything else I should prepare for??  Are bradded brake lines worth> the $75 bucks they want at the local shop?  Do I need to do anything> with the proportioning sensor for the rear brakes.>> One last question.  I asked this before so I'm sorry if I somehow> missed the response but what is the best way to disconnect the ABS> sensor  and computer, (which currently gives me an annoying orange> light most of the time).  How do I make sure I don't get that light on> all the time?>>> Thanks in advance.>> Tom Pechkovsky> pechkot@ycdsb.edu.on.ca> 92 4Runner.>>> ======================================================================> ======> Toyota 4x4 page: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota> ============================================================================
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