Toyota 4x4 digest:      Friday, September 4 1998      Volume 02 : Number 066
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 Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 16:22:20 -0500 (CDT)
 From: Brian Wiencek  Subject: Re: tire recomendations> I'm in the market for some new tires and looking for recommendations..> My truck is a 92 4cyl, all stock except for the 31X10.5 tires on 15X8> wheels.. I'm looking to get new tires for daily driving that will also be> able to handle a lot of use on snow-covered roads this winter.. I'd like to> get a smaller size to help get my speedometer/gear ratios back to normal..> I've heard that the stock 225 width tire is good for what I want, but I no> longer have my stock-width wheels..> Any recommendations for sizes and/or brands?
 Take a look at http://www.dunlop.com and http://www.goodyear.com for tire
 /rim width recomendations, check the min/max suggested rim width  If width
 is what you want, try going to something like a 245/70-15" or 255/70's
 (more common there are a lot of these type) on those rims -
 it will be a LOT closer to the origional diameter but give you a little
 more "meat" on the road.  I personally swear by Dunlop Radial Rover RV's
 for a good all-around LT tire. They wear better, ride quieter, and do a
 LOT better in mud than the BFG Radial T/A's, they give a good ride
 off-road too.  I've 'converted' 4 people to these tires, and they love
 'em - even one die-hard BFG man that ran nothing but on his Jeeps
 (2 cherokees, 1 J GC, 1 CJ-5, and 1 Wrangler - now his current 3 ALL have
 dunlops!)  For pricing/size availability go to http://www.tirerack.com
 it's got an easy to use interface.
 - - Brian
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 Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 17:33:40 -0400
 From: Eli  Subject: re: Starting Problems
 Original message -
 ***********************************
 here's the symptoms:  When I go the start
 it in the morning, usually starts fine.  Then after it's been sitting for a
 while it won't start.  It just clicks once like I've got a dead battery but
 it's fine.  Starter is good (when it goes, it turns over fine) and I don't
 think it's the sileniod because it's a pretty new starter.   But after I try
 and start it if I go back in a while it will start fine!?  So anyway, it's
 just one click and the batt isn't dead.
 **************************************
 I had the same problem. The only time my Toy ever failed to get me to work
 on time! It turned out that the cable that runs directly from the battery
 to the starter had come slightly loose ('83 pickup w/ '87 22R). Check all
 your connections and make sure they are clean and tight.
 Eli Madden
 Middlebury, VT
 '83 Pickup w/ 31" Muds, '87 22R, 3" Front Springs, and LOTS of dents and
 scratches!
 eli@computeralt.com
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 Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 17:54:53 EDT
 From: Dirty4Runr@aol.com
 Subject: Factory service manual
 I need some help from somebody with a factory service manual for an 85
 4Runner, specifically the 22R-E engine thats in it, or even anyone who is
 knowledgable on this motor.  I have a couple of questions for you.  Thanks in
 advance.
 Kevin
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 Date: 03 Sep 98 14:55:24 -0700
 From: "Scott Stehle"  Subject: HG Warranty Repair - What else???
 I just got my notice in the mail that Toyota will proactively (about
 time?!!?) replace my headgasket for free and am wondering if anybody has
 recommendations as to what else I should have done while they are doing the
 HG? Do they completely pull the engine to do the hg? I have a 94' Runner
 with 50k on it. I'm the second owner so was considering having them do the
 clutch while they're in there if they do have to pull the engine. How long
 have other folks clutches lasted. I do mostly city driving but get down and
 dirty when I can, which unfortunately isn't often enough.
 Thanks In Advance-
 Scott
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 Scott Stehle				Phone  650.633.5931
 Product Manager - Backup and Recovery	Fax	650.506.7227
 Oracle Corporation				Email	sstehle@us.oracle.com
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 Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 17:32:19 -0500
 From: Michael Nelson  Subject: Re: Factory service manual
 What questions did you have about the 22RE?Dirty4Runr@aol.com wrote:> I need some help from somebody with a factory service manual for an>85 4Runner, specifically the 22R-E engine thats in it, or even anyone who is knowledgable on this motor.  I have a couple of questions for you.>Thanks in> advance.>> Kevin>> ============================================================================> Toyota 4x4 page: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota
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 Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 16:27:57 -0700
 From: Jim Brink  Subject: Re: Factory service manual
 Dirty4Runr@aol.com wrote:>> I need some help from somebody with a factory service manual for an 85> 4Runner, specifically the 22R-E engine thats in it, or even anyone who is> knowledgable on this motor.  I have a couple of questions for you.  Thanks in> advance.
 What is the information you need?
 - --
 Jim Brink     Toyota/ASE Certified Technician     toytech@off-road.com
 Manhattan Beach, CA                  http://www.off-road.com/~toytech/
 **********************************************************************
 1986 Toyota Standard Bed 4WD
 22R - 32x11.50/15 BFG M/T - 4.88s- Downey LSD - EZ Locker
 **********************************************************************
 TLCA  -  Friends of the Mojave Road  -  CA4WDC
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 Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 17:22:50 -0600
 From: "David Eggleston"  Subject: Re: Ugh!
 - -----Original Message-----
 From: quetip  To: toy4x4@tlca.org  Date: Thursday, 03 September, 1998 13:36 PM
 Subject: RE: Ugh!>Has anyone tried the oil filter relocation kits?  Just looking for an
 easier>way to change the filter.>>Craig>>> You can always relocate the filter with one of those kits. I don't think>> they cost very much.>>>> Mike>> I run a relocation kit, actually several of them. They are OK as long as you
 obtain a good quality kit with stainless steel braided hoses. I have run the
 cheaper kits and the rubber hoses tend to dry out and leak (even to the
 point of blowout) after a year or so. The stainless covering also provides
 added protection from rocks as well. Special attention should be paid to
 location and position of the oil filter bracket. Mine is on the frame
 underneath the drivers side door and positioned such that the filters are
 mounted upright. This prevents the oil from draining out when the motor is
 shut down (irregardless of filter brand). If at all possible, locate the
 filter(s) in a well protected area and fabricate a skid plate for them. I
 have never installed one on a 3liter V-6, so I don't know what, if any,
 additional fittings will be required to negotiate the installation. On
 22R's, none are required as there is plenty of room for the hoses to make
 natural bends without any crimping.
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 Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 16:30:19 -0700
 From: Chris Geiger  Subject: Re: HG Warranty Repair - What else???
 I replaced my gasket at about 52K miles and they don't pull the enginge out
 unless the block is damaged. They will pull the heads and then make a choice
 after they see what it looks like. Clutch should be good to 100K - 150K miles
 depending on tire size and driving style.
 Scott Stehle wrote:> I just got my notice in the mail that Toyota will proactively (about> time?!!?) replace my headgasket for free and am wondering if anybody has> recommendations as to what else I should have done while they are doing the> HG? Do they completely pull the engine to do the hg? I have a 94' Runner> with 50k on it. I'm the second owner so was considering having them do the> clutch while they're in there if they do have to pull the engine. How long> have other folks clutches lasted. I do mostly city driving but get down and> dirty when I can, which unfortunately isn't often enough.>> Thanks In Advance->> Scott>> =====================================================================> Scott Stehle                            Phone  650.633.5931> Product Manager - Backup and Recovery   Fax     650.506.7227> Oracle Corporation                              Email   sstehle@us.oracle.com>> ============================================================================> Toyota 4x4 page: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota
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 Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 16:47:19 -0700
 From: Jim Brink  Subject: Re: HG Warranty Repair - What else???
 Chris Geiger wrote:>> I replaced my gasket at about 52K miles and they don't pull the enginge out> unless the block is damaged. They will pull the heads and then make a choice> after they see what it looks like. Clutch should be good to 100K - 150K miles> depending on tire size and driving style.>> Scott Stehle wrote:>>> I just got my notice in the mail that Toyota will proactively (about>> time?!!?) replace my headgasket for free and am wondering if anybody has>> recommendations as to what else I should have done while they are doing the>> HG? Do they completely pull the engine to do the hg? I have a 94' Runner>> with 50k on it. I'm the second owner so was considering having them do the>> clutch while they're in there if they do have to pull the engine. How long>> have other folks clutches lasted. I do mostly city driving but get down and>> dirty when I can, which unfortunately isn't often enough.
 Here's a few other things for them to check/replace:
 Timing belt and related tensioners/idlers,
 Knock sensor shield wire ($12),
 Water pump,
 Cam and crankshaft seals,
 Fan belts,
 Valve adjustment,
 While the above listed services are much easier to be performed while
 the heads are off, don't expect to have them done for free. Labor costs
 money! I've seen a few posts from disappointed truck owners that expect
 all of these items to be covered with the head gasket repair and that is
 not so. The labor costs are significantly reduced however, once the
 engine is opened up.
 - --
 Jim Brink     Toyota/ASE Certified Technician     toytech@off-road.com
 Manhattan Beach, CA                  http://www.off-road.com/~toytech/
 **********************************************************************
 1986 Toyota Standard Bed 4WD
 22R - 32x11.50/15 BFG M/T - 4.88s- Downey LSD - EZ Locker
 **********************************************************************
 TLCA  -  Friends of the Mojave Road  -  CA4WDC
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 Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 17:30:08 -0700
 From: Greg Sue  Subject: Filter relocation kits
 Never mind oil-filter relocation, how about a kit for relocating the
 22RE fuel filter?  *#$@!  Probably positioned by that very same
 designer...
 Greg Sue
 no-clue@mindless.com
 http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Dunes/9948/
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 Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 19:43:52 -0500
 From: Ben Harrison  Subject: test please ignore
 test
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 Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 20:01:52 -0500
 From: Ben Harrison  Subject: Re: 85 Runner rear window
 I have had some eratic trouble with components in the rear door of my 89
 1st gen.  The wires break where they move from the tailgate opening and
 closing.  I had to run new wire from the components in the door , to the
 molex inside the truck, before my probs were solved.  Hope this helps.
 At 08:20 PM 8/31/98 -0400, you wrote:>Just got an 85 Runner and the back window isn't working.  It worked when i>looked at the truck (conveniently) but not now.  The "back door" light in the>gauge cluster flickers on and off most of the time when im driving it.  I
 took>apart and cleaned the only ground i could find.  I used a meter and tested
 all>the switches in the tail gate that i could find, as well as the motor for a>dead short.  The switch in the center console seems to be ok as well.  Im by>myself so its tough to test the key lock cylinder.  It was suggested i wiggle>the rear wiper while trying the key, but that didn't work.  Is this a common>4runner problem?  Does anybody have any suggestions for me?  Thanks in>advance.>>Kevin>>============================================================================>Toyota 4x4 page: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota> - -Ben Harrison
 KD5CVM
 benharrison@cyberdude.com = home
 pageben@cyberdude.com = 80 char alphapager
 benh@wgmb-wvla.com = office
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 Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 20:01:41 -0500
 From: Ben Harrison  Subject: Re: JC Whitney Power Window/Door Kits
 You will be fortunate to get 1.5 to 2 years out of them.  The door lock
 motors stop working, and the clutches burn out easily on the window kits.
 At 11:57 AM 8/31/98 +0000, you wrote:>Has anyone purchased and installed these?  I'd like to get a set but
 wanted to know how well they worked, looked, etc.  Please let me know
 anything positive or negative (or other brand recommendations).  Thanks!>>Menko>>Menko Johnson (mjohnson@benson.mckenna.edu)>Kravis Leadership Institute>Claremont, CA 91711>(909) 607-7030 or 621-8743>>============================================================================>Toyota 4x4 page: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota> - -Ben Harrison
 KD5CVM
 benharrison@cyberdude.com = home
 pageben@cyberdude.com = 80 char alphapager
 benh@wgmb-wvla.com = office
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 Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 20:01:56 -0500
 From: Ben Harrison  Subject: Looking for parts
 If anyone knows or has any of these, I am looking to buy the following for
 89 1st gen SR5 V6 4Runner.
 Washer fluid motor (front)
 Right mirror glass (power)
 Repair manuals
 Car Cover
 center padded arm rest (grey, in good shape)
 aND A/C COMPRESSOR FOR 89 CAMRY 4CYL.
 THANKS,
 BENH@WGMB-WVLA.COM
 - -Ben Harrison
 KD5CVM
 benharrison@cyberdude.com = home
 pageben@cyberdude.com = 80 char alphapager
 benh@wgmb-wvla.com = office
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 Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 20:01:48 -0500
 From: Ben Harrison  Subject: Re: Yota Repair manuals
 Any one know of a reasonable place to buy these?  This is just what I have
 been looking for.  I went to the dealer, and they said they don't sell the
 manuals, you have to buy them out of a catalog.
 At 03:32 PM 8/31/98 -0400, you wrote:>>The 1989 (Gen1) 4Runner repair manuals have TWO books - one for electrical>(in color!)>and one for everything else (22RE and 3VZE)>>EWong>>>>============================================================================>Toyota 4x4 page: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota> - -Ben Harrison
 KD5CVM
 benharrison@cyberdude.com = home
 pageben@cyberdude.com = 80 char alphapager
 benh@wgmb-wvla.com = office
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 Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 20:06:04 -0500
 From: Chris Stull  Subject: cold starting probs
 i've got an 88 toy with a new engine in it...it's not winter right now
 but when i had the truck with the original engine...it took a couple
 cranks too many to start and when winter came it took many more...enough
 to worry me about draining the battery...since i got it back with the
 new engine, the starting has not really changed...i was just wondering
 what the problem might be...i believe i've had the ignition coil
 replaced recently, but besides that i don't know much...thanks for any
 responses...
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 Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 20:14:41 -0500
 From: Ben Harrison  Subject: Looking for parts
 If anyone knows or has any of these, I am looking to buy the following for
 89 1st gen SR5 V6 4Runner.
 Washer fluid motor (front)
 Right mirror glass (power)
 Repair manuals
 Car Cover
 center padded arm rest (grey, in good shape)
 aND A/C COMPRESSOR FOR 89 CAMRY 4CYL.
 THANKS,
 BENH@WGMB-WVLA.COM
 - -Ben Harrison
 KD5CVM
 benharrison@cyberdude.com = home
 pageben@cyberdude.com = 80 char alphapager
 benh@wgmb-wvla.com = office
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 Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 18:42:16 -0700
 From: "Brandon Miller"  Subject: flip your bolts..
 I just put on my new trailmaster springs and I don't want to put the old
 plates back on.  does anyone know what vehicle has a pair of plates that
 will work (on top) for my 83 toy?  I have the 2wd plates in the rear, has
 anyone put them in the front as well?  I am going to the wreckers tomorrow
 so I would appreciate any input.
 Thanks
 Brandon
 pirate4x4.com/brandon
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 Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 17:16:54 -7 GMT
 From: "Leo G. Divinagracia III"  Subject: Re: '99 4Runner - Full Time 4WD> From: El Manalo >> BTW - someone here at my job bought one of those Lexus RX300 (is that> the model number?) . Anyways, it kinda looks like a fancied up RAV4. I> personally don't like that particular SUV, if I can even call it a SUV.> it's a station wagon with an AWD platform...  it's some marketing
 schlub that some bonehead ok'ed...  after all, lexus didn't to keep
 selling the lx-4X0 since they didn't feel it belonged in the lexus
 family.  but they hadda have a SUV and the rx300 was years away from
 production.  somehow, either MB or lexus was peeking at each other
 design books.  imagine the reasons why the m-class and the rx are so
 similar in looks...
 - -----------------------
 Leo G. Divinagracia III
 ldivinag@csuhayward.edu
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 Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 19:22:21 -0700
 From: Jon Brandt  Subject: Re: Filter relocation kits
 I don't have a problem with the location of the filter...
 I just have to wonder about the idea of draining the oil onto the
 differential case.
 I have noticed that non-toyota filters make a mess, but since I have
 been using genuine Toyota filter, there seems to be alot less oil
 spillage. Must be the valve.
 Jon Brandt
 Greg Sue wrote:>> Never mind oil-filter relocation, how about a kit for relocating the> 22RE fuel filter?  *#$@!  Probably positioned by that very same> designer...>> Greg Sue> no-clue@mindless.com> http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Dunes/9948/>> ============================================================================> Toyota 4x4 page: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota
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 Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 22:14:52 +0100
 From: Kathy & Ken Horn  Subject: arb compressor
 Is there a right up anywhere on the installation procedure for the arb
 compressor?
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 Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 23:21:11 -0400
 From: "T.J. Witten"  Subject: Bio
 ===========================
 Personal Bio Info
 ===========================
 POST TO THE LIST ONLY>> toy4x4@tlca.org
 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 Name: T. J. Witten
 City & State: 102 Horton Crest, Richlands Va 24641
 Country:USA
 E-mail address: tj@netscope.net
 Toyota (s) year & model: 1990 Toyota 4x4
 Are you a TLCA Member (Y/N/Number?): No, What's Tlca
 Age:32
 Occupation: Retail Management, The Kroger Co.  (kr)
 Marital Status:  married, two kids, one cat
 Hobbies: golf, wood working, cutting firewood, and computers
 How did you find out about the Toyota 4x4 Mailing List:  Off road web site
 General info about your vehicle, self, etc.: Stock pickup, Love toyota's,
 plan to pass this truck to my son 2008. Would like to find a old Toyota 4x4
 truck, early 80's. I remember the night I bought the truck home, I got up
 during the night to make sure it was still there. Also own a 95 Camry.
 ==============
 - ------TJ Witten -----
 tj@netscope.net
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 Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 00:14:49 EDT
 From: DRM033@aol.com
 Subject: Last minute problems (always)
 Well, as in installing a new clutch, tranny, & Marlin crawler was not enough
 things to deal with a few days before an event, I have to add to the list.
 After some testing this afternoon, I realized that the rear driveshaft had not
 been shortened enough, and that I was able to make the driveshaft compress
 fully - not good.  So, a call to the driveshaft shop & they say they can get
 it done by tomorrow afternoon if I have it there when they open in the
 morning.  That one is close, but shouldn't delay me too much.
 So, I go out to the truck with the intent of pulling the driveshaft, but I get
 to looking around. After A few minutes I decided to just build a new rear
 crossmember for the IFS drop brackets since the one in there is bent beyond
 recognition.  I cut the last 4" or so off the old bracket to retain the bolt
 holes.  Then I took a length of 2x1" tubing & welded that inside the end
 pieces.  Much better than the old one.  That one took about an hour while the
 little lady sat in the garage telling me we need to go out to eat.  So I clean
 up & we do.
 We get back & she heads home.  Hmmm... Why not build a skid plate for
 underneath the entire IFS? - yeah, thats the thing to do (this project started
 at about 9:00 pm),  So, off comes the front skid plate.  Of course, during
 this both lower bolts break the nut free in the crossmember.  There was enough
 room to get a box end in there to hold them though - only a minor delay.  I
 already had some 3/16 plate cut to 15x17". I had to make room for the diff
 drain plug, so I cut two slits with the portable band saw (gotta love it) &
 then notched the bottom with a die grinder & bent it till it broke free.  I
 then welded the new plate to the end of the front skid plate, with some flat
 stock gussets.  I didnlt have time to drill holes for the rear mounting at the
 back of the IFS, so I just welded the plate to my new crossmember mentioned
 earlier.  It looks pretty rough, but I will really appreciate it this weekend.
 So, its about a quarter till 11:00, & while I am putting up the tools, I
 remember - oh yeah, I have to pull the rear driveshaft...
 David
 DRM033@aol.com
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 Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 22:23:09 -0700
 From: "Kenneth Sigel"  Subject: RE: Last minute problems (always)
 Does everyone work on their Toys at the last minute?  I was on Rubicon last
 weekend, but before I left town Friday, I had to fix my air compressor.
 Since I just finished my front bumper that doubles as an air tank, I decided
 to plumb the line to the new tank.  I also wanted to check the existing tank
 which was a 2.5 gallon that I mounted above the driveshaft.  Keep in mind
 that I started at noon and my friends were meeting me at 4pm - and I still
 hadn't packed my truck!  After unbolting the mounts for the tank, I realized
 that it was fine, but should have a new 1/4" NPT fitting on it...  so I make
 a run to the store for fittings...  and an inline oiler...  and another
 oil/water filter would be good...  So anyway, I finished getting that
 together when I realized it would be really cool to have another gauge
 inside my truck...  back to the store.  Luckily, Grand Auto had the airline
 I needed with fittings.  Just about the time I finished the setup, I
 realized that two of my four rocklights were still on the floor of my garage
 and I'd probably want them.  Of course rocklights shouldn't take more than
 15 minutes to hook up...  NOT!  Another separate fuse panel would be cool...
 back to the store.  I finally got the lights done, but my truck still wasn't
 packed and it was almost 4pm.  I pulled a load of laundry out of the dryer
 and shoved what I needed in a bag.  My friends showed up while I was putting
 my tools back in my toolbox.  They decided to go to McD's while I packed my
 truck.  I got everything in and my friends came back...  except one of them
 remembered that they had the key to their garage and their roommate's car
 would have been locked up without it...  so off he went.  We left town
 around 6pm.
 - -Ken
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 Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 01:37:25 -0400
 From: "Bernie H"  Subject: Re: Factory service manual
 I've got the engine resources (manuals) for the 91 22RE, and am pretty good
 with diagnosing engine components and idle problems and tuning tricks.
 What's your question?
 - -------------------------------------------------------
 Bernie H
 ICQ# 394598
 http://members.home.net/bernieh
 - -----Original Message-----
 From: Dirty4Runr@aol.com  To: toy4x4@tlca.org  Date: September 3, 1998 9:31 PM
 Subject: Factory service manual>I need some help from somebody with a factory service manual for an 85>4Runner, specifically the 22R-E engine thats in it, or even anyone who is>knowledgable on this motor.  I have a couple of questions for you.  Thanks
 in>advance.>>Kevin>>===========================================================================
 =>Toyota 4x4 page: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota> ============================================================================
 Toyota 4x4 page: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota
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 Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 01:33:35 EDT
 From: JCVR4@aol.com
 Subject: Wheeling places near Lake Alpine
 Does anyone know of any places to wheel near Lake Alpine in CA.  Please email
 me and sent to the list,
 Thanks
 Joey
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 Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 22:54:43 -0700
 From: "Brandon Miller"  Subject: Re: Last minute problems (always)
 How was it?  My trips have all been late, 3 trips leaving after dark and 3
 trips through the little sluice in the dark..  You do the sluice?  In the
 dark?
 It is a whole different beast that way..
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 From: Kenneth Sigel  To:  Date: Thursday, September 03, 1998 10:27 PM
 Subject: RE: Last minute problems (always)>Does everyone work on their Toys at the last minute?  I was on Rubicon last>weekend, but before I left town Friday, I had to fix my air compressor.>Since I just finished my front bumper that doubles as an air tank, I
 decided>to plumb the line to the new tank.  I also wanted to check the existing
 tank>which was a 2.5 gallon that I mounted above the driveshaft.  Keep in mind>that I started at noon and my friends were meeting me at 4pm - and I still>hadn't packed my truck!  After unbolting the mounts for the tank, I
 realized>that it was fine, but should have a new 1/4" NPT fitting on it...  so I
 make>a run to the store for fittings...  and an inline oiler...  and another>oil/water filter would be good...  So anyway, I finished getting that>together when I realized it would be really cool to have another gauge>inside my truck...  back to the store.  Luckily, Grand Auto had the airline>I needed with fittings.  Just about the time I finished the setup, I>realized that two of my four rocklights were still on the floor of my
 garage>and I'd probably want them.  Of course rocklights shouldn't take more than>15 minutes to hook up...  NOT!  Another separate fuse panel would be
 cool...>back to the store.  I finally got the lights done, but my truck still
 wasn't>packed and it was almost 4pm.  I pulled a load of laundry out of the dryer>and shoved what I needed in a bag.  My friends showed up while I was
 putting>my tools back in my toolbox.  They decided to go to McD's while I packed my>truck.  I got everything in and my friends came back...  except one of them>remembered that they had the key to their garage and their roommate's car>would have been locked up without it...  so off he went.  We left town>around 6pm.>-Ken>>>===========================================================================
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 Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 23:36:21 -0700
 From: David Gibbs  Subject: Re: Toyota 4x4 digest: V2 #65
 Paul wrote,
 If headers and performance exhaust are added, the intake needs to be
 improved to get the full benefit.  If this is an opinion rather than a fact,
 I and most people involved with racing have been misled.
 This is dependent on where the flow restriction is.  On Toy V6s for instance, the
 biggest restriction is the crossover pipe.
 David Gibbs
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 Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 07:38:35 -0700
 From: Dee Smith  Subject: Re: source for: Toyota Repair manuals
 Ben Harrison wrote:>> Any one know of a reasonable place to buy these?
 - ----> I know that "Performance Products" sells 'em.
 How reasonable they are is your opinion. I paid $95 dollars US
 for my 1984 Toyota Factory Repair manual through
 Perf. Prod. though it was real "handy" having the Factory manual
 to go by whila rebuilding the 3rd member of my '84.  ;-)> This is just what I have been looking for.>  I went to the dealer, and they said they don't sell the> manuals, you have to buy them out of a catalog.>> -Ben Harrison
 - -----> Good luck Ben,
 Regards,
 M.D. Smith, V   TLCA #7039  '86 Toyota 4Runner, '84 Toyota 4WD SR5
 aka "Dee Smith"
 Huntsville, Alabama USA
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 Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 07:48:43 -0700
 From: Dee Smith  Subject: Re: Bio / question -- answer
 T.J. Witten wrote:> Toyota (s) year & model: 1990 Toyota 4x4>> Are you a TLCA Member (Y/N/Number?): No, What's Tlca
 - -----> TLCA => Toyota Land Cruiser Association
 They offer
 discounted rates to members on 4WD parts and accessories.
 TLCA membership is about $20 dollars US foor a 1 year membership
 and you get a sticker for yer truck and a "Toyota Trails" magazine
 every 2 months.  :-)
 Regards,
 M.D. Smith, V   TLCA #7039   '86 Toyota 4Runner, '84 Toyota 4WD SR5
 aka "Dee Smith"
 Huntsville, Alabama USA
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 Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 08:18:49 +0100
 From: Kathy & Ken Horn  Subject: batteries??
 Can someone please tell me where to find predator batteries.
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 Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 06:42:51 -0700
 From: "Sandy and Terry"  Subject: Re: Wheeling places near Lake Alpine
 The Slick Rock trail head is at Lake Alpine.  Take the west entrance and
 follow the road.  Soon the paved road will become dirt.  Then you will pass
 through a gate.  Here you should lock your hubs.  The trail is only 3 miles
 but is fun and has a couple of challenging spots.  One in particular is the
 hill at the end before the bridge.  The trail  also has some great places to
 camp along a stream.  The trail comes out at Utica Resevoir.
 Farther up Hwy 4 is the Deer Valley trail.  The trail head is at the Hermit
 Valley camp ground.  Look for the J**P sign toward the rear of the camp
 ground. This trail goes all the way out to Hwy 88.  There is one challenging
 pile of rocks at the very beginning of the trail.  After you cross Deer
 Creek at the top there are some nice places to camp in a pretty meadow.
 Below Lake Alpine, there is a series of loops called Mattley Loop.  Also,
 Corral Hollow OHV trail is in this area.  Look for a sign for forest service
 road 7N09.  The road will take you into the OHV area.
 There is a easy trail that goes to the top of Mt. Reba.  Take the turn off
 to the Bear Valley Ski Resort.  The trail head is about 100 yds on the
 right.
 The Sour Grass trail is a few miles off Hwy 4.  In the town of Dorrington
 take the Boards Crossing Road turn off.  Follow the main road through a
 residential section and then down the mountain to the Stanislaus River.
 There is a bridge crossing the river.  On the other side of the bridge on
 the left is a washed out camp ground.  At the camp ground is the trail head
 for Sour Grass.  This trail is only 2 miles in and does not go through.
 The Ramsey trail head is east of Dorrington but you have to know where to
 turn off.
 In summary there a lot of fun trails in the area.  Have a great time.
 Terry Johnson
 Pleasanton>Does anyone know of any places to wheel near Lake Alpine in CA.  Please
 email>me and sent to the list,>>Thanks>Joey>>===========================================================================
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 Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 09:58:45 -0400
 From: Agustinus Gunawan  Subject: RE: batteries??
 http://www.truckworld.com/premierpowerwelder/Panther/black-panther.html
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 From:	Kathy & Ken Horn [SMTP:kkstable@uslink.net]
 Sent:	Friday, September 04, 1998 3:19 AM
 To:	toy4x4@tlca.org
 Subject:	batteries??
 Can someone please tell me where to find predator batteries.
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 Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:58:25 -0400
 From: mdenison@shipley.com
 Subject: Camper top
 Does anyone have any info on Wilder-Nest camper tops.  I saw one on a taco
 and it looked really nice.  It has a hinged top which i assume is raised to
 form a tent type awning.  I couldn't find anything on the web.
 Mark Denison
 cambridge, MA
 98 Xtra TRD
 86 Xtra
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 Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:52:36 -0600
 From: "Smith, Steve"  Subject: New Guy Bio
 Name:Steve Smith
 City & State: Colorado Springs, Co
 Country: USA
 E-mail address: Ssmith@Stai.com
 Toyota (s) year & model:'80 Pick-up- totally stock.
 '81 FJ-40 Land Cruiser, ALL the goodies (I think, but I'm lookin'!)
 Are you a TLCA Member (Y/N/Number?):Yes...4535
 Age:23
 Occupation: Associate Engineer (Communications Eng. that is)
 Marital Status:Getting married in October
 Hobbies:Four wheeling, hunting
 How did you find out about the Toyota 4x4 Mailing List:I've been on the Land
 Cruiser list for years, but I just bought the pick-up.
 General info about your vehicle, self, etc.: the pick-up is stock.
 '81 FJ40 Land Crusier- 350 V8, SM420 Teanny, 3spd T-case, ARB Air Lockers
 F&R, Long travel Spring-Over suspension, RS 9000 shocks, Getting 35x16x15
 Super Swamper Boggers, on BFG MT's right now, full roll cage, full racing
 harness, Dodge neon seats, on-board air, Warn 9000Xdi winch, and some other
 stuff.
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 Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 16:43:28 -0400
 From: Charles Brooks  Subject: Amazing accident
 I witnessed an amazing accident today. A guy in a dune buggy
 was going thru the intersection  was stopped at and a Chevy
 C1500 ran the light and slammed into the buggy! The guy was
 moving pretty good, I would guess him at about 45 mph. Well
 he broadsides the buggy and flings the thing way the hell off
 the road. I jumped out of my truck and ran over to the buggy
 (Along with about 5 other people that saw what happened) when
 we got there the guys in the buggy were already out and looking
 around! Man as hard as they were hit I expected to see a bunch
 of twisted metal but there wasn't nearly that much damage.
 I am totally impressed. I guess it pays to drive around in a
 rollcage with an engine! I got the guys number and he's
 gonna give me an estimate for a REAL cage in my truck. Mean
 while I think I'm gonna go looking for a buggy!
 Charles Brooks
 P.S. They rolled the buggy back onto the wheels and were
 able to drive away!!!
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 Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 14:52:27 -0600
 From: JHansen@csw.L-3com.com
 Subject: Help!!  New engine, rebuild, or ?????
 I have been on the list for a few months and have really enjoyed it, and
 now I am in need of some serious help.  I have an 88 4Runner that I
 bought a few months ago, it now has 200,800 miles on it (I flipped it
 over on my honeymoon in Yellowstone and got some great pictures doing
 the Toyota jump in a beautifull area, I heard a rumor that you can send
 such pictures to Toyota and they will post them on the Internet
 somewhere, anyone have any info?), and the other day I was on my way to
 school and it overheated.  I didn't catch it until it was too late (it
 burst a hose and lost all fluid fast and didn't take too long to
 overheat).  By the time I got it over to the side and stopped, the
 engine was smoking bad.  It doesn't start and when I try to start it
 steam comes out of the radiator which I have heard means a cracked head
 or blown head gasket.  Here is my question, what can I do?  How can I
 tell if it is the gasket or head.  What would be involved in getting it
 rebuilt?  Is it worth getting rebuilt (with 200k and a few oil leaks) or
 should I look into a new engine?  I don't have any money now and really
 need my car so what would be the minimum to get it running?  If it is
 just a gasket, what other things should I do/replace while I am into it
 (timing chain, clean/rebore pistons etc)?  I have had a little
 experience working with cars but not much, but I really would like to
 get to know my 4Runner inside and out and do a lot of work on it in the
 future, so what better way than to start with the engine?  I have a good
 set of tools and a father who is very knowledgable and willing to help
 and a strong desire to learn.  I will probably go out and buy the
 factory engine manual, (is that a good idea? I have one for 78-88
 4Runners and pickups written by Robert Bentley, would it be enough?)
 These may seem like simple questions for most of you but I would really
 appreciate any and all input as soon as possible as I would like to get
 going on it tomorrow (Sat.).
 Thanks in advance,
 Jeremiah Hansen
 P.S.  PLEASE Cc me at jkh43@hotmail.com (or email me direct) as I am in
 digest mode and can't even access the digests during the weekend since I
 use my work account, I will keep you all up to date.
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 Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 14:20:48 -0700
 From: Scott Wilson  Subject: FOR SALE:  Smittybuilt Nerfs
 For sale:  Smittybuilt nerfs for 4Runner or std cab pickup with 2" (or
 more) body lift.  Approx 1 year old (don't remember exactly when I
 bought them)    Visible side is clean and shinny, a few surface
 scratches from stepping on them.   Bottom side has one small dent, and a
 few good scrapes.  Little rust.
 $50 takes 'em.   Local guys have priority since I'm not too excited
 about shipping them.
 Scott
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 Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 18:19:02 -0400
 From: mdenison@shipley.com
 Subject: Manual Hubs for Tacoma with ADD
 I want to add manual hubs to my 98 Tacoma with ADD as per recent postings I
 just spoke with WARN  industries and they said they don't make a hub to fit
 any Tacomas and were not aware of any hubs to fit Tacomas!   So what hubs
 does Toyota use on non-ADD Tacomas and can I put these on my 98 with ADD?
 Can I just buy them from Toyota.
 Mark Denison
 Cambridge, MA
 98 TRD
 86 xtra cab
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