Toyota 4x4 digest:     Thursday, September 3 1998     Volume 02 : Number 065
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 Toyota Tundra...What do you all think???
 Re: Performance upgrades
 Re: Ugh!
 transfer case twin shifter & other shifter ideas
 lower rear shock mounts.
 Re: Tail Gate needed..
 Fabtech arms
 Re: Fabtech arms
 Mojave Sep 12 or 13
 HOMEPAGE
 Re: Toyota Tundra...What do you all think???
 Re: 1st Gen 4Runner window tinting
 RE: Manual Hub Instillation
 Re[2]: 2nd gen 4Runner sunroofs
 RE: Re[2]: 2nd gen 4Runner sunroofs
 98 TRD observations. questions
 '99 4Runner - Full Time 4WD
 GWNF trail ride - trail report
 RE: 98 TRD observations. questions
 Re: GWNF trail ride - trail report
 re:Starting Problems "In Rain"
 Personal Bio
 Re: GWNF trail ride - trail report
 Fabtech double steering arm
 RE: GWNF trail ride - trail report
 Re: UGH!
 Need your HELP!!!
 Re: Starting Problems "In Rain"
 Personal Bio
 Re: Marlin Crawler Installation
 RE: Ugh!
 Re: Marlin Crawler Installation
 tire recomendations
 Re: Starting Problems "In Rain"
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 Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 20:38:28 -0600
 From: "John Lange"  Subject: Toyota Tundra...What do you all think???
 Have you seen the pics of the Tundra (full size V8)? Any opinions? What?
 dont have a opinion? check it out on www.toyota.com....lots a cool pics of
 it...but im thinkin Ford front end lookin.....
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 Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 20:07:33 -0700
 From: Paul  Subject: Re: Performance upgrades
 I realize that opinions will vary concerning the degree of improvement
 that comes with upgrades such as air intake, throttle body, ignition,
 exhaust etc.  These opinions will be affected by many factors such as
 vehicle condition, other changes made to the vehicle, as well as how in-tune
 the person is with their vehicle.  It is however a generally excepted fact
 that these upgrades will improve vehicle performance, to varying degrees
 depending on the design and quality of the product, as well the presence of
 any addition modifications necessary to get the benefit(s).
 I personally know that Jacobs ignition have improved the way my truck
 runs.  I don't know if it is any faster, but it does run smoother.  I also
 know the Downey/K&N air box has improved the throttle response on my truck.
 Are they worth the money?  I think so.
 If headers and performance exhaust are added, the intake needs to be
 improved to get the full benefit.  If this is an opinion rather than a fact,
 I and most people involved with racing have been misled.
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 Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 20:06:09 -0700
 From: "Calwest"  Subject: Re: Ugh!
 You can always relocate the filter with one of those kits. I don't think
 they cost very much.
 Mike
 - -----Original Message-----
 From: brian.gallus@dhcmail.com  To: toy4x4@tlca.org  Date: Wednesday, September 02, 1998 12:08 PM
 Subject: Ugh!>I just finished my first oil change on my 3.0 powered 93.   All I want>to know is if the engineer who put the filter in that location has been>fired yet....  I have never had my oil changed at a quick-lube place,>but I'm very seriously considering doing that from now on...  What a>PITA that job was...>>bkg>>Brian K. Gallus>Technical Analyst - Dayton Hudson Corp.>(612) 375-7013>Brian.Gallus@dhcmail.com>>>===========================================================================
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 Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 23:43:52 EDT
 From: DRM033@aol.com
 Subject: transfer case twin shifter & other shifter ideas
 I think someone asked this the other day, about whether or not there is a twin
 shifter available for Toy xfer cases.  I don't think there is, but I would
 like to have one (Then I could have four shifters in there!).
 Since the stock shifter actuates two side by side rods, Why not make two
 shifters, one for High/nuetral/low (like the Marlin does) and one for the
 2wd/4wd.  This would allow use of 2 wd low.  Now I know you can already have
 2wd low if you put it in 4low with the hubs unlocked, but I am thinking here..
 shhhhh...
 Since the stock shifter pivots on 2 pins, remove these pins & use ine cross
 "shaft" for the pivot.  Have 2 levers pivot on this shaft side by side.  I
 wonder...
 Also, say you want the Marlin double transfer case, but have a bench seat &
 don't want to cut it up.  So, you set up the shifter similar to above, but on
 a rail slider system with 2 knobs.  You would have the rail connected to the
 top of the xfer case.  The part that moves each rod in the case would be about
 2" long, then the rail would be fastened to the top of the case.  This would
 be a slider system (like on the bench seat, but without the lock mechanism).
 This would come forward in the tranny tunnel & allow you to come through the
 floor right behind the stock xfer case shifter. with twp knobs, side by side.
 Move the right one to go from high to neutral, to low.   Move the left one to
 go from 2wd to 4wd.
 Any thoughts?????
 David
 DRM033@aol.com
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 Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 03:22:51 -0600
 From: Tony Bartlett  Subject: lower rear shock mounts.
 Jay, I checked out your page and saw your rear shock mounts. I have been
 trying to think of a way to mount the shocks that way for awhile that
 was simple.
 Well, you can not get more simple than your mount.
 Thanks for putting out the information.
 Toyota Tony
 http://www.digitalpla.net/~offroader
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 Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 00:34:16 -0400
 From: "Bernie H"  Subject: Re: Tail Gate needed..
 I'm looking for a tailgate for a 91 4-Runner. Darn Canadian rust really got
 to mine as well.  If I come accross an earlier one I'll keep you in mind.
 - -------------------------------------------------------
 Bernie H
 ICQ# 394598
 http://members.home.net/bernieh
 - -----Original Message-----
 From: Norman Tomlins  To: toy4x4@tlca.org  Date: September 2, 1998 9:03 PM
 Subject: Tail Gate needed..>Does any one have a tail gate for a 85 or 86 or 87 4Runner that is in good>shape they want to sell?>>The ones up here in Canada are all rusted out..>>Norm>>>>>===========================================================================
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 Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 21:49:20 -0700
 From: Greg Sue  Subject: Fabtech arms
 Apparently, Fabtech is having "difficulties" and is "currently out of
 business."  I was talking with the guys at the Toyota 4x4 Center about
 cross-over steering two days ago, and they are using a different
 steering arm that will work with a wider variety of rims.  Ph (604)
 431-0106 (BC) or http://www.toyota4x4.com/
 Also, thanks to everyone who responded to my Rancho torque rod question;
 I'll check into the warranty thing.
 Greg Sue
 no-clue@mindless.com
 http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Dunes/9948/
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 Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 22:37:46 -0700
 From: "Brandon Miller"  Subject: Re: Fabtech arms
 If that don't work I'll sell you mine ;)
 It was just warranteed then I took it off for good.
 - -----Original Message-----
 From: Greg Sue  To:  Date: Wednesday, September 02, 1998 9:57 PM
 Subject: Fabtech arms>Apparently, Fabtech is having "difficulties" and is "currently out of>business."  I was talking with the guys at the Toyota 4x4 Center about>cross-over steering two days ago, and they are using a different>steering arm that will work with a wider variety of rims.  Ph (604)>431-0106 (BC) or http://www.toyota4x4.com/>>Also, thanks to everyone who responded to my Rancho torque rod question;>I'll check into the warranty thing.>>Greg Sue>no-clue@mindless.com>http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Dunes/9948/>>===========================================================================
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 Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 22:43:19 -0700
 From: "Sandy and Terry"  Subject: Mojave Sep 12 or 13
 I'm from the Bay Area and I'll be visiting my brother at Edwards AFB for a
 few days.  Anyone interested in getting together for some wheelin' in or
 around the Mojave while I'm down there?  I'll be arriving Fri Sep 11 and be
 in the area until Tue Sep 15th.  Sat or Sun would be a good day to get
 together.  My brother will be my passenger.
 Terry Johnson
 89 XCab V6 SR5
 Locked F&R, 5.29 gears, ProComp II 4" lift, 33" BFG M/T's, Warn 9K winch
 Marlin Ultimate Crawler hopefully soon
 V.P. Bounty Runners 4WD club, member Gettin' Off 4WD club
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 Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 00:17:45 -0700
 From: "Gregory Michael Muchin"  Subject: HOMEPAGE
 Gregory Michael Muchin
 P.O. Box 1882
 Woodinville, WA  98072-1882 USA
 425-373-1159
 425-260-5090
 mastp@cnw.com
 3022596
 http://www.cnw.com/~mastp/Home.htm
 HOMEPAGE UPDATE...BIG DIFFERENCE...I STILL NEED ISO-DIN BRACKETS, EMAIL ME
 IF YOU CAN HELP.
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 Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 08:35:07 -0400
 From: "Karl Bellve, Ph.D."  Subject: Re: Toyota Tundra...What do you all think???
 John Lange wrote:>> Have you seen the pics of the Tundra (full size V8)? Any opinions? What?> dont have a opinion? check it out on www.toyota.com....lots a cool pics of> it...but im thinkin Ford front end lookin.....> Looks like a cross between a Dodge Dakota and a ford 250/HD
 Slap a 250/HD grill on a Dakota and you got the tundra.
 - --
 Cheers,
 Karl Bellve, Ph.D.                   ICQ# 13956200
 Biomedical Imaging Group               IM: kbellve
 University of Massachusetts
 Email: kdb@molmed.ummed.edu
 Phone: (508) 856-6514
 Fax:   (508) 856-1840
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 Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 08:30:03 -0500 (CDT)
 From: Brian Wiencek  Subject: Re: 1st Gen 4Runner window tinting> Has anyone tinted their rear windows?  What was your solution?  Remove> the dots, rough them up, or tint over them and hope for the best?> Apparently the tint won't stick to the ceramic dots as the adhesive is> meant for glass only.
 I did mine - at home no "professionals"  it's held up for about 1.5 yr now
 with no sign of coming off or other worries.... All I did was CLEAN the
 glass thouroughly with a glass cleaner (windex) - got all the grease
 and years of partial cleanings off the glass (this is especially
 important in the corners where a lot of 'gunk' builds up) then followed
 the instructions from the window tint film on applying the film.  It took
 a ittle longer to work the bubbles out of that area, but not much, and you
 can hardly see the origional dots.  I think I used GILA??? brand dark
 smoke (like 15%) and their "best" grade (I think it went like Good,
 better, best, 'professional')
 - - Brian
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 Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 08:32:45 -0500
 From: Ryan Beal  Subject: RE: Manual Hub Instillation
 I installed the hubs on my 1990 4Runner with ADD and it was a snap. I
 have Step by Step
 instructions on my web page.
 http://members.wbs.net/homepages/r/y/a/ryans4runner/
 Thanks
 Ryan S. Beal
 Product Application Specialist
 rbeal@rftechnologies.com
 1-800-669-9946 Ext. 233> ----------> From: 	Jim Brink[SMTP:toytech@off-road.com]> Reply To: 	toy4x4@tlca.org> Sent: 	Wednesday, September 02, 1998 7:28 PM> To: 	toy4x4@tlca.org> Subject: 	Re: Manual Hub Instillation>> Tom Pechkovsky wrote:>>>> Does anyone have a write up on installing  manual hubs on a 2nd> generation 4runner, currently equipped with ADD??>>>> On the old banana scale where does it fall??  Are there special> tools involved?  Is there anything special I should consider when> buying manual hubs.>> One banana job. Repack the wheel bearings while you're in there. The> instructions that come with the Warn Premium manual hubs are well> written.>> -->> Jim Brink     Toyota/ASE Certified Technician     toytech@off-road.com> Manhattan Beach, CA                  http://www.off-road.com/~toytech/> **********************************************************************> 			1986 Toyota Standard Bed 4WD> 	 22R - 32x11.50/15 BFG M/T - 4.88s- Downey LSD - EZ Locker> **********************************************************************>>              TLCA  -  Friends of the Mojave Road  -  CA4WDC>> ======================================================================> ======> Toyota 4x4 page: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota> ============================================================================
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 Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 09:40:37 -0400
 From: adickenson@kpmg.com
 Subject: Re[2]: 2nd gen 4Runner sunroofs>It's just that the machinery needed to move the sunroof is located in>the headliner, which eats up a bit of space between the metal roof>and the top of one's head. It would probably be nicer to just have a>solid roof and a smidge more headroom. This is for a person coming>out of an Isuzu trooper, which had enough head room to wear two ten>gallon hats.
 The powered sunroof in a 2nd Gen. 4Runner is one of the biggest I've
 ever seen, so it pretty much covers where your head would be.  I've
 never had any problems with headroom, but then again I don't wear two
 ten gallon hats either!
 Allen D.
 P.S.  Perhaps you should switch to 8 gallon hats?   :-P
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 Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 09:02:57 -0500
 From: Ryan Beal  Subject: RE: Re[2]: 2nd gen 4Runner sunroofs
 I also have a 2nd generation 4Runner with a Moon roof.  I'm 6'2" tall
 and I love to stretch out (says my wife) and I've never hit my head on
 the moon roof.  I think there is plenty of room.
 Thanks
 Ryan S. Beal
 Product Application Specialist
 rbeal@rftechnologies.com
 1-800-669-9946 Ext. 233> ----------> From: 	adickenson@kpmg.com[SMTP:adickenson@kpmg.com]> Reply To: 	toy4x4@tlca.org> Sent: 	Thursday, September 03, 1998 8:40 AM> To: 	Toyota 4x4 list; toy4x4@tlca.org> Subject: 	Re[2]: 2nd gen 4Runner sunroofs>>>It's just that the machinery needed to move the sunroof is> located in>>the headliner, which eats up a bit of space between the metal> roof>>and the top of one's head. It would probably be nicer to just> have a>>solid roof and a smidge more headroom. This is for a person> coming>>out of an Isuzu trooper, which had enough head room to wear two> ten>>gallon hats.>>>      The powered sunroof in a 2nd Gen. 4Runner is one of the biggest> I've>      ever seen, so it pretty much covers where your head would be.> I've>      never had any problems with headroom, but then again I don't wear> two>      ten gallon hats either!>>>      Allen D.>>>      P.S.  Perhaps you should switch to 8 gallon hats?   :-P>> ======================================================================> ======> Toyota 4x4 page: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota> ============================================================================
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 Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:02:11 -0400
 From: mdenison@shipley.com
 Subject: 98 TRD observations. questions
 Well I just bought a new truck.   white 3.4l Xtra , TRD, ABS, and
 thankfully no power windows.  I got a pretty good end of year deal- the 99s
 are coming in. (no changes as far as i can tell).  One thing i couldn't get
 was the bucket seat w/ center cosole.  So I need to find a junk yard seat
 or aftermarket.  Really need a center console.  TRD is also not available
 with manual hubs!  The TRD suspension is far superior to the non TRD SR5 i
 drove and the V6 has effortless power  (of course i'm used to an amazingly
 underpowered 91 cruiser). I havn't had it really offroad yet as i'm taking
 it easy breaking it in which brings me to questions.   I gather gentle,
 varied, relatively high RPM is best for breakin but why is it recommended
 to stay under 55MPH.  This is only 2300 RPM in fourth.
 The dealer said not to worry about an oil change till 3000miles.  I know
 this is bunk,  but at what miles should the first change be?
 According to fourwheeler truck of the year review the TRD came with factory
 4.10:1 gears but the Toy literature says it is 3.91:1.  So what gears do I
 have?
 Will adding manual hubs void any warranty and is there a detailed
 description anywhere of how to do this?
 Thanks to the list for helping me make the decision..
 Mark Denison
 Cambridge, MA
 98 TRD (98miles)
 86xtra cab (150k miles) (hers)
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 Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 09:11:23 -0500
 From: El Manalo  Subject: '99 4Runner - Full Time 4WD
 My biggest complaint about this is that it takes a certain amount of
 'control' away from you. I prefer to keep 4WD as an option to which I
 can control . I own a 3rd generation '96 4Runner SR5 and it has Part
 Time 4WD and I wouldn't want it any other way. It lets me control under
 what conditions I want to engage it.  I too have heard that FT 4WD haven
 eaten viscous couplers after so many miles while Part Time  4WD trucks
 keep on going with no problems.
 In terms of parts longetivity - tires, drivetrain and just plain gas
 consumption I would prefer to have the ability to control when my front
 wheels are engaged.
 I hope Toyota hears these concerns from the people who uses their
 products.
 BTW - someone here at my job bought one of those Lexus RX300 (is that
 the model number?) . Anyways, it kinda looks like a fancied up RAV4. I
 personally don't like that particular SUV, if I can even call it a SUV.
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 Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:17:43 -0400
 From: adickenson@kpmg.com
 Subject: GWNF trail ride - trail report
 Hey guys (and gals),
 Thanks to Bill, a trail report on the GW National Forest has been
 located.  It covers the second mountain trail and Gauley Ridge Rd.,
 which are the best/longest trails down there.  The trail report can be
 found at:
 http://www.4x4now.com/trvagw.htm
 I'm still working on setting a date.  Hopefully I'll know for sure
 early next week which date is best for all.  The Sept. date (as I
 expected) is pretty much out of the question.  So, the remaining dates
 available are:
 Oct. 9-11
 Oct. 16-18
 Oct. 23-25
 Oct. 30-Nov. 1
 Let me know which date(s) you CANNOT go.  I'll pick the date that
 gives us the best turnout.
 Allen Dickenson
 1995 4Runner - "FT KNOX"
 1972 FJ-40 - deceased
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 Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 09:27:18 -0500
 From: Ryan Beal  Subject: RE: 98 TRD observations. questions
 My father just bought a 1999 Tacoma ex-cab 4x4,  Looking at his hubs and
 his ADD system it should be just as easy to change to manual hubs as it
 was on my 1990 4Runner with ADD.  The install was a snap see my web
 pagehttp://members.wbs.net/homepages/r/y/a/ryans4runner/
 and it will not void your warranty because in the ADD trucks the hubs
 are always locked and the CV boots and axles always turn even in 2wd.
 Installing these manual hubs will decrease the wear and tear on your new
 axles.  The only real difference between the trd offroad package and the
 standard sr5 is the following.  Blistine shocks, rear locking diff. ( a
 Plus) and fender flares.  I personally thought that it wasn't worth the
 money except for the diff.  that is really needed for offroading.  As
 for your gears I'm not sure which ones my dad has in his.  And the break
 in period is 1000 miles and I know my dad will change his oil after that
 1000 miles,  then after another 1500 miles then at the regular 3000
 miles.  This seems to work pretty good for breaking in a truck.
 Thanks
 Ryan S. Beal
 Product Application Specialist
 rbeal@rftechnologies.com
 1-800-669-9946 Ext. 233> ----------> From: 	mdenison@shipley.com[SMTP:mdenison@shipley.com]> Reply To: 	toy4x4@tlca.org> Sent: 	Thursday, September 03, 1998 9:02 AM> To: 	toy4x4@tlca.org> Subject: 	98 TRD observations. questions>>>>> Well I just bought a new truck.   white 3.4l Xtra , TRD, ABS, and> thankfully no power windows.  I got a pretty good end of year deal-> the 99s> are coming in. (no changes as far as i can tell).  One thing i> couldn't get> was the bucket seat w/ center cosole.  So I need to find a junk yard> seat> or aftermarket.  Really need a center console.  TRD is also not> available> with manual hubs!  The TRD suspension is far superior to the non TRD> SR5 i> drove and the V6 has effortless power  (of course i'm used to an> amazingly> underpowered 91 cruiser). I havn't had it really offroad yet as i'm> taking> it easy breaking it in which brings me to questions.   I gather> gentle,> varied, relatively high RPM is best for breakin but why is it> recommended> to stay under 55MPH.  This is only 2300 RPM in fourth.> The dealer said not to worry about an oil change till 3000miles.  I> know> this is bunk,  but at what miles should the first change be?> According to fourwheeler truck of the year review the TRD came with> factory> 4.10:1 gears but the Toy literature says it is 3.91:1.  So what gears> do I> have?> Will adding manual hubs void any warranty and is there a detailed> description anywhere of how to do this?> Thanks to the list for helping me make the decision..> Mark Denison> Cambridge, MA> 98 TRD (98miles)> 86xtra cab (150k miles) (hers)>>>>>>> ======================================================================> ======> Toyota 4x4 page: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota> ============================================================================
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 Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 11:28:45 -0400
 From: adickenson@kpmg.com
 Subject: Re: GWNF trail ride - trail report>Thanks to Bill, a trail report on the GW National Forest has been>located.  It covers the second mountain trail and Gauley Ridge Rd.,>which are the best/longest trails down there.  The trail report can>be found at:>http://www.4x4now.com/trvagw.htm
 Hey again,
 I just finished reading the trail report.  Note that this trail ride
 was 2 years ago.  There hasn't been hardly any rain down there this
 summer, so the streams are now pretty much just rocky streambeds.
 Hopefully we'll get some rain as it's really dry down there right now.
 Just didn't wanna have another Pine Barrens situation where
 everybody's asking where the mud is.  I made it through all of second
 mountain in a stock 4Runner on 31's (they weren't street tires Bill,
 but they did ok  :)  ).  Besides, the guys in the trail report were
 mostly driving J**ps, so we should all be fine!
 As for the shotgun toting psycho, I've never ran into anybody like
 that down there.  That could be part of the author's "embellishment"
 that he spoke of.
 Allen D.
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 Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 09:00:21 -0700
 From: David Fritzsche  Subject: re:Starting Problems "In Rain"
 I did some work on a Toyota back in the 70's that had the same problem.
 The person how owned the car had replaced the plug wires and dist. cap
 with after market stuff and every time it was damp it would not start.
 He finally took it to the dealer and they replaced the cap and wires
 with Toyota stuff and the problem went away.
 David Fritzsche, 1990 V-6 Ex-Cab, Roseville, California otto@inreach.com
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 Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998  8:49 -0700
 From: "Kendall Carlton"  Subject: Personal Bio
 Name: Kendall Carlton
 City & State:  Gilbert, AZ
 Country:  USA
 E-mail address:  kendall.carlton@microchip.com
 Toyota (s) year & model: 1988 4X4 Truck X-Tra Cab
 Are you a TLCA Member (Y/N/Number?): N
 Age: 30
 Occupation: Engineer
 Marital Status: Married
 Hobbies: Backcountry exploring, woodworking,
 How did you find out about the Toyota 4x4 Mailing List: off-road.com
 General info about your vehicle, self, etc.:  31" Tires, sway bar
 disconnects, rest stock.
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 Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 11:55:59 -0400
 From: "Karl Bellve, Ph.D."  Subject: Re: GWNF trail ride - trail report
 adickenson@kpmg.com wrote:>>      Hey guys (and gals),>>>      Thanks to Bill, a trail report on the GW National Forest has been>      located.  It covers the second mountain trail and Gauley Ridge Rd.,>      which are the best/longest trails down there.  The trail report can be>      found at:>>      http://www.4x4now.com/trvagw.htm>>      I'm still working on setting a date.  Hopefully I'll know for sure>      early next week which date is best for all.  The Sept. date (as I>      expected) is pretty much out of the question.  So, the remaining dates>      available are:>>      Oct. 9-11>      Oct. 16-18>      Oct. 23-25>      Oct. 30-Nov. 1> I would say the only date I could go is Oct 9-12. Even then, I might be
 a maybe due to the distance I would have to travel. It looks to be about
 550 miles to Harrisonburg, VA for me.
 - --
 Cheers,
 Karl Bellve, Ph.D.                   ICQ# 13956200
 Biomedical Imaging Group               IM: kbellve
 University of Massachusetts
 Email: kdb@molmed.ummed.edu
 Phone: (508) 856-6514
 Fax:   (508) 856-1840
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 Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 10:02:55 -0700
 From: "Jay Kopycinski"  Subject: Fabtech double steering arm
 "Juhani Niittylahti"  wrote:> where I can purchase Fabtech double steering arm? I found that>Fabtech is at B.C. CANADA, but phone (604)765-0019 and FAX>(604)765-1419 are not in service?!
 Try:
 250-765-1420
 Jay Kopycinski     '85 Toylet   (ROKTOY)
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 Date: Thu, 3 Sep 98 12:58:00 -0500
 From: Rosenberger Bud  Subject: RE: GWNF trail ride - trail report
 As for the shotgun toting psycho, I've never ran into anybody like
 that down there.  That could be part of the author's "embellishment"
 that he spoke of.
 Hey!  I'm from Wyoming county, NY and everybody is their own first
 cousin... or worse!  "Cain't we jist brang ar own shotguns???  I left
 mine ta home cause i heard that in Nu Jarsey they pack Uzzis!  With the
 saw'd off, I cin only get 6 shots off right quik like!"
 Well I'd better put my teeth back in my mouth and git back to work!
 Bud  :))
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 Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:43:17 -0500
 From: brian.gallus@dhcmail.com
 Subject: Re: UGH!
 Scott wrote:
 Ha ha ha!!  Don't worry you'll get much better at it....after a few more
 ruined shirts, and more hot oil spilling down your arm!  ;-b
 Actually, I've gotten so that I can do it in only a couple minutes, and
 spill very little oil.   I loosen the filter, then starting unscrewing
 it AS FAST AS I CAN, spinning it with my right hand, and as soon as it
 falls off the threads, catch it (opening side up) in that same hand.
 ...takes a bit of practice though.  :-)
 Don't mess with those quicky places....here's my current list of stuff
 they've done to me...only the tranny one was done to my 4Runner...
 - ----------------
 Ok!  I won't go to a quick lube place...  But geez, what a PITA!!!  I
 pulled the skid plate, tried going in through the drivers side fender,
 cursed a LOT, destroyed the filter trying to get it out...  Must have
 taken me over an hour just to change the oil!!  I'm NEVER complaining
 about the 22re in the 4Runner again.
 Sorry to hear that it was a quick lube place that cracked your tranny.
 When I first heard about it, I could only guess what you had to do to
 crack your tranny - decided you must have lauched your truck off of a
 pre-fabbed, custom built, stunt man type jump onto a rock that had
 strategically been placed in just the right spot...  The thing I
 couldn't figure out though, is how much math a person would have to do
 to calculate how high the ramp had to be and how fast you would need to
 go to land "tranny - first"...  ;)  Just kidding - again, sorry to hear
 how that happened.
 Well, next month, I'll go throught that exercise again...  Ugh.
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 Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:53:39 -0500
 From: brian.gallus@dhcmail.com
 Subject: Need your HELP!!!
 HI all,
 Some of you may be aware that the Minnesota 4wheel Drive Association has
 been working very, very hard with other groups in this state to open an
 OHV park in the Gilbert, Minnesota area.  The process has been going on
 for quite some time now, and while we are making progress, there are
 also many barriers to get through.  I'd like to ask the help of everyone
 on the list.  We are currently undertaking a "letter writing" campaign
 of sorts to the DNR of this state letting them know that there are many,
 many people who want to see this park open.  If we succeed, it will be a
 big win for the MN4WDA and all off-road enthusiasts in this state... In
 the days of land closures accross the country, it is very encouraging
 that there is a possibility that we can potentially start to reverse
 this trend.  Please, if you are interested at all in Land Closure
 issues, please send an email of encouragement and support to:
 rodney.sando@dnr.state.mn.us
 Commissioner Sando is a very important person to have on our side...
 Remember to Tread Lightly!
 Thanks,
 Brian K. Gallus
 President, Minnesota Toyx4s
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 Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 11:55:34 -0700
 From: Jim Brink  Subject: Re: Starting Problems "In Rain"
 Thomas Clay wrote:>> I have a 1988 Toyota 4x4 with the 3.0 V-6. For sometime now my truck will> not start when damp, or raining. When this first started, I found by taking> a rag and wipeing the ignition coil, the truck would start. So I went out> and bought a new coil, but the next damp day the truck wouldn't start. So I> tried using a blow dryer on the distributor cap, and that worked. So I> bought a new cap, and the next time it rained, the truck wouldn't start. So> I thought maybe the spark plug wires were getting bad, so I bought new> wires. Well everything is new, but everytime it's damp or rains, I still> have to use the blow dryer to get it started. At this point I am out of> ideas. So has anyone else had this problem, and if so, What is the cure??
 Try replacing all of the above parts with OEM Toyota. They fit better
 and don't usually allow moisture into the distributor as easily as
 aftermarket. I have seen realtively new, poor quality aftermarket wires
 with cracked insulation cause a no-start on 3VZ-E motors in the past.
 Also, make sure the mounting and wiring for the coil is clean and free
 from any corrosion, especially at the igniter.
 - --
 Jim Brink     Toyota/ASE Certified Technician     toytech@off-road.com
 Manhattan Beach, CA                  http://www.off-road.com/~toytech/
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 Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 11:58:20 -0700
 From: Peter Hanisch  Subject: Personal Bio
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 Personal Bio Info
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 POST TO THE LIST ONLY>> toy4x4@tlca.org
 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 Name: Peter Hanisch
 City & State: San Jose, CA
 Country: USA
 E-mail address: peter@fujikura.com
 Toyota (s) year & model: 92 4X4 pickup
 Are you a TLCA Member (Y/N/Number?): no
 Age: 25
 Occupation: purchasing agent
 Marital Status: single
 Hobbies: camping, snowboarding, backpacking, guitar, whitewater
 rafting/kayaking, fishing, hiking
 How did you find out about the Toyota 4x4 Mailing List: infoseek web search
 General info about your vehicle, self, etc.: 92 Toyota shortbed, reg cab,
 4cyl.. no major modifications. The 4x4 use my truck has seen so far is the
 snow-covered roads around Tahoe in the winter (the reason I bought the
 truck in the first place).. I'm interested in tips to keep my truck in good
 condition since the miles are stacking up quick..
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 Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 12:00:55 -0700
 From: "Jay Kopycinski"  Subject: Re: Marlin Crawler Installation
 Sterling Rorden wrote:>> From what I can tell, the later transmissions are 4 3/4" longer than the> '79-'83 transmissions.  The crossmember on my truck mounts to the frame> where the rails are transitioning from the "front axle width" to the> "cab/bed" width.  As I see it, this leaves three options for Toyota to> accommodate the longer transmission:>> 1)    Offset the transfer case mounting point on the crossmember so that the> crossmember mounts to the same location on the frame (best for my situation,> but with my luck I doubt it).>> 2)    Widen the crossmember and move the mounting points farther down the> frame.  If this is the case, I could get a newer crossmember (instead of> widening mine) and install it farther down the frame.>> 3)    Move the mounting location farther down the frame and keep the> crossmember the same.  This would require changing the mounting scheme.
 When we did the 4 speed to later 5 speed swap on the '80 truck, we reused
 the stock crossmember. We welded on some small pieces of flat bar at each
 bolt pair location to essentially widen the bolt pattern a bit. We then flipped
 the crossmember 180 degrees (front swapped to back) and marked and redrilled
 the holes. We were able to reuse the two rear sets of holes on the frame. For
 the other two pairs we used a set of stock (rear I think) u-bolts over the frame
 and thru the crossmember. You can thank Marlin for this u-bolt trick. He got the
 idea from one of his customers
 Jay Kopycinski     '85 Toylet   (ROKTOY)
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 Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 22:55:57 -0400
 From: "quetip"  Subject: RE: Ugh!
 Has anyone tried the oil filter relocation kits?  Just looking for an easier
 way to change the filter.
 Craig
 96 4Runner SR5
 factory locker> -----Original Message-----> From: owner-toy4x4@tlca.org [mailto:owner-toy4x4@tlca.org]On Behalf Of> Calwest> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 1998 11:06 PM> To: toy4x4@tlca.org> Subject: Re: Ugh!>>> You can always relocate the filter with one of those kits. I don't think> they cost very much.>> Mike>> -----Original Message-----> From: brian.gallus@dhcmail.com > To: toy4x4@tlca.org > Date: Wednesday, September 02, 1998 12:08 PM> Subject: Ugh!>>>>I just finished my first oil change on my 3.0 powered 93.   All I want>>to know is if the engineer who put the filter in that location has been>>fired yet....  I have never had my oil changed at a quick-lube place,>>but I'm very seriously considering doing that from now on...  What a>>PITA that job was...>>>>bkg>>>>Brian K. Gallus>>Technical Analyst - Dayton Hudson Corp.>>(612) 375-7013>>Brian.Gallus@dhcmail.com>>>>>>=================================================================> ==========> =>>Toyota 4x4 page: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota>>>>> ==================================================================> ==========> Toyota 4x4 page: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota> ============================================================================
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 Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 23:29:00 -0600
 From: daves8@juno.com
 Subject: Re: Marlin Crawler Installation
 Or you can do what I did:
 1)	Cut out the center section of the crossmember with a hacksaw
 (quick and easy to cut by hand).
 2)	Bolt the center section to the trans mount and the two small
 pieces to the frame in the usual spots.
 3)	Center everything nicely, then tack everything together.
 4)	Pull the crossmember back out, complete all welds and install
 some gussets.  I used 1/4" mild steel  for gussets and it has worked fine
 for 6 years now.
 Your rear driveshaft will have to be shortened a couple of inches and the
 front flange holes drilled out to accept the larger bolts of the later
 transfer.  The front driveshaft should be lengthened but I haven't
 lengthened mine and it's been fine for 6 years.
 Dave Schoenberg, Arvada, Colorado-----Who else gives advice like this???
 '81 Toy/'86 EFI engine/5-spd/xfer--an' I did it all myself, with NO
 Liquid Nails!!
 DaveS8@Juno.com
 On Wed, 2 Sep 1998 18:39:46 -0700 "Sterling Rorden"  writes:>>From what I can tell, the later transmissions are 4 3/4" longer than
 the '79-'83 transmissions.  The crossmember on my truck mounts to the
 frame where the rails are transitioning from the "front axle width" to
 the "cab/bed" width.  As I see it, this leaves three options for Toyota
 to accommodate the longer transmission:>>1)    Offset the transfer case mounting point on the crossmember so that
 the crossmember mounts to the same location on the frame (best for my
 situation, but with my luck I doubt it).>>2)    Widen the crossmember and move the mounting points farther down
 the frame.  If this is the case, I could get a newer crossmember (instead
 of widening mine) and install it farther down the frame.>>3)    Move the mounting location farther down the frame and keep the
 crossmember the same.  This would require changing the mounting scheme.
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 Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 12:44:00 -0700
 From: Peter Hanisch  Subject: tire recomendations
 I'm in the market for some new tires and looking for recommendations..
 My truck is a 92 4cyl, all stock except for the 31X10.5 tires on 15X8
 wheels.. I'm looking to get new tires for daily driving that will also be
 able to handle a lot of use on snow-covered roads this winter.. I'd like to
 get a smaller size to help get my speedometer/gear ratios back to normal..
 I've heard that the stock 225 width tire is good for what I want, but I no
 longer have my stock-width wheels..
 Any recommendations for sizes and/or brands?
 Thanks,
 Peter (peter@fujikura.com)
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 Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 16:12:26 -0500 (CDT)
 From: Brian Wiencek  Subject: Re: Starting Problems "In Rain">> and bought a new coil, but the next damp day the truck wouldn't start. So I>> tried using a blow dryer on the distributor cap, and that worked. So I>> bought a new cap, and the next time it rained, the truck wouldn't start. So>> Try replacing all of the above parts with OEM Toyota. They fit better> and don't usually allow moisture into the distributor as easily as> aftermarket. I have seen realtively new, poor quality aftermarket wires> with cracked insulation cause a no-start on 3VZ-E motors in the past.> Also, make sure the mounting and wiring for the coil is clean and free> from any corrosion, especially at the igniter.
 One thing I can add is to make sure that the distributor is DRY before
 installing a new cap - if there's condensation inside it, and you add a
 good-sealing toyota cap, it will stay inside...  as a "quick fix" you can
 try blowing the entire thing out with a hairdryer, drying both the cap &
 rotor and the base of the distributor, then spraying "wire-dry" or WD-40
 in the cap, and on the rotor, and on the base of the dist, then wipe up
 any excess & repeat, then seal the cap to the dist with a THIN bead of
 clear silicone - should get you by for a while until you can buy
 replacements (or out of a trial if that's where she stalls!)
 - - Brian
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