Toyota 4x4 digest:      Thursday, August 13 1998      Volume 02 : Number 041
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 Re: Supercharger
 swapping in a 22re turbo
 winch bumper?
 RE: redline MTL
 A/C Comments ??!!
 18RG Engines
 Re: redline MTL
 RE: winch bumper?
 Mystery Oil Consumption/Leak
 Re: redline MTL
 Rhino mufflers again
 RE: Mystery Oil Consumption/Leak
 Re: Rhino mufflers again
 RE: redline MTL
 Re: redline MTL
 RE: A/C Comments ??!!
 Re: Idle problems - 22RE
 RE: auxiliary antennas
 RE: brake lights
 Help with issues on a 90 4Runner SR5 V6 Automatic
 Help with issues on a 90 4Runner SR5 V6 Automatic
 Help with issues on a 90 4Runner SR5 V6 Automatic
 Re: auxillary antennas
 RE: Radio stuff
 '84 Toyota 3rd member re-work
 Re: winch bumper?
 Tire Sizes
 Help with issues on a 90 4Runner SR5 V6 Automatic
 Silicone Brake Fluid
 Re: '84 Toyota 3rd member Part 2
 Re: Silicone Brake Fluid
 TRD Supercharger
 RE: '84 Toyota 3rd member Part 2
 ARIZONA STATE ASSOCIATION JAMBOREE
 Soon to be released !!! Ken (TURBO DIRECT)
 Flex-a-Lite Electric fans
 Re: '84 Toyota 3rd member / "shims"
 RE: '84 Toyota 3rd member / "shims"
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 Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 07:59:26 +0100
 From: Joel Avendano  Subject: Re: Supercharger
 yesterday, 8-12-98, i saw a coupon for a trd supercharger for the 3.4l for
 approx. $2300 installed.
 from what i understand if you have the dealer install the unit you get a 5
 year warranty.
 the dealership is kearny mesa toyota here in san diego, ca.  don't have the
 phone number - sorry.
 joel
 At 11:41 PM 8/12/98 -0700, you wrote:>Does anyone know of a toyota parts dealer somewhere in the country that>will sell the TRD supercharger kit at somewhere close to dealer cost?  I>want to buy it, just not for $2700, which is the best price my local>toyota dealer would give me for parts only.  I'm only guessing, but I>would bet that the dealer cost is in the neighborhood of $2000.  I would>happily pay that.  Thanks in advance,>>Mark Hendricks>mhendricks@jlsouser.com>>Order from Canada,the US dollar is almost $1.50 Canadian these days,I'll>price the unit on Friday and get back to the List in case others are>interested.>Ray>>============================================================================>Toyota 4x4 page: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota> 1998 Toyota 4Runner Limited
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 Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:58:38 -0500 (US Eastern Standard Time)
 From: "Ebersold, Chance J"  Subject: swapping in a 22re turbo
 Okay-
 In order to swap a 87 22re turbo in to a 89 truck that
 originally had a 22re what needs to be taken from the donor
 truck?  From what I can figure out I need the exhast to the
 cat, The air cleaner assembly and the ECU.  Is there
 anything I'm missing?  Are the wiring harnesses different?
 or can I use mine? Any help would be great.
 Chance
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 Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:13:28 +0100
 From: Kathy & Ken Horn  Subject: winch bumper?
 I am sick of the wimpy stock bumper on my 85 4runner and am going to
 begin building my own very heavy duty winch bumper for it.  What i was
 wondering is there anyone out there that is willing to share the pattern
 they used to mount their bumper to the frame for a strong hold? I just
 do not want to mess anything up by making an experimental bumper mount.
 Any info would be greatly appreciated.
 thanks
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 Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 08:28:57 -0700
 From: "Gibson, Greg/EXEUG3"  Subject: RE: redline MTL
 Both products are great and have always made a very noticable difference
 in my vehicles (truck and rx7).  I recently swithced to MT90 in the truck
 and it really smoothed out the shifting.
 Greg Gibson
 '88 V6 Xtra Cab> ----------> From: 	James J Williams[SMTP:jimwilms@bellsouth.net]> Reply To: 	toy4x4@tlca.org> Sent: 	Wednesday, August 12, 1998 10:28 PM> To: 	toy4x4@tlca.org> Subject: 	redline MTL>> Hey guys, what's the verdict on Redline MTL and MT90.  I've heard some> talk about it on the list before.>> It seems the MTL is 75W and MT90 is the multiweight 75W90 both are good> for GL-4.>> I'm thinking of using the MT90 in my 3rd gen 4runner manual trans and> transfer case.>>> Any comments???>>> Thanks,>> Jim Williams> '97 4Runner SR5>>> ==========================================================================> ==> Toyota 4x4 page: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota> ============================================================================
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 Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:30:43 -0500
 From: AOBROCK@LIFETOUCH.com
 Subject: A/C Comments ??!!
 I also have a 4Runner 90 30 SR5...I had my expansion valve redone this year.
 I also had to replace the harmonic balancer.
 Are you using r-12 or r-134 freon?  What kinda problems have you had
 since you had this valve replaced?  Just recharge or what?  Did they tell
 you what was causing the this yearly fix..?
 OK, maybe you can help me...my A/C is working fine now, but the
 truck idles at 500 rpm wit or without A/C.. is that normal?   (it is an
 automatic 4x4). Also what could cause a surge at idle rpm and an excessive
 shake in the motor?  Once you get up in speed (rpm) the truck runs pretty
 smooth?
 Please e-mail me direct @ Aobrock@lifetouch.com
 Thanks!
 Alex
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 Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:33:30 -0500
 From: El Manalo  Subject: 18RG Engines
 Hi. Just want to comment that this engine (18RG) is so good that we use
 this in our roadracing Toyota Celicas. Very Excellant engines for
 roadracing, I can't say whether their applicable for wheelin' but in our
 rear wheel drive '76 and '77 Celicas my brother and I are very
 successful when roadracing. Lots of mid to top end power, especially
 nice when it breathes thru 44mm Mikuni carbs and an ITG filter setup,
 ITG has 2 inch airhorns that fits IN this filter assembly. To get parts
 - - including those hard to find parts for this engine as well as others -
 Call Toysport or e-mail them at toysport@ix.netcom.com. TRD makes red
 high performance spark plugs for this engine and they used to make a
 header.
 Good luck.
 Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 07:39:02 -0500
 From: "Lance Morin"  Subject: Re: 18 R Engine
 Thanks for the general information and especially the sight. I'll have
 to
 see what it's all about. I do know that thing moves for an older 4
 cylinder!
 Lance M. (FWD-FWD
 '98 Tacoma
 '81 Shortbed>Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:54:28 -0800>From: Jeff Moskovitz >Subject: Re: 18 R Engine>The 18R engine with the hemi-head and the center sparkplugs is/was the>18R-G.  This is a dual overhead cam variation of the 18R-C/18R-B.>Pictures are available at Matti Kalalahti's *incredible* (I don't use>that term lightly)  Toyota site:> http://www.students.tut.fi/~k124476/dataBySubject/EnginePix.html>Specs are available at:> http://www.students.tut.fi/~k124476/dataBySubject/GasolineEngines.html>This is a great engine, but the top end may be hard to find parts for.>Jeff
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 Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 08:22:55 -0700
 From: Andy Ramm  Subject: Re: redline MTL
 MTL is the wrong lube for your transmission.  The best bet is MT 90.
 MTL does not have enough viscosity for the 4Runner trannies.  BTW, when
 you change the transmission oil, don't forget your poor, overworked
 transfer case.  MT-90 is good for transfer cases too.
 I use MT-90 in my vintage racer and in my 4Runner.  IMHO it's the best
 tranny lube I've used.
 Cheers,
 Andy
 '67 MGB GT Vintage Racer
 '69 MGB Roadster
 '72 MGB Roadster
 '94 4Runner V6
 Rob Boyle wrote:>> James J Williams wrote:>>>> Hey guys, what's the verdict on Redline MTL and MT90.  I've heard some>> talk about it on the list before.>>>>>>> Any comments???>>>> Thanks,>>>> Jim Williams>> '97 4Runner SR5>>>>  I just changed my runner to MTL yesterday. It was making some whining noises when coasting and when in neutral, as well as getting a little rougher on the shifts. I was thinking MTL might change this some, and help me get a few more mile out of the tranny. I really didn't notice any difference at all. same whine and same on the shifts as far as I can tell.> --> Rob Boyle 85 4runner>> ============================================================================> Toyota 4x4 page: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota
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 Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 08:35:17 -0700
 From: "Gibson, Greg/EXEUG3"  Subject: RE: winch bumper?
 I would suggest that you find a look at a few commercial bumpers to get
 ideas for mounting the winch and mounting the bumper to the frame.  My
 Smittybuilt front winch bumper actually mounts to the front of the truck
 in 6 separate locations but it would be very difficult to describe.
 One thing I don't like about the smittybuilt is how much weight is carried
 at the ends of the bumper, it really adversely affects the handling of the
 truck.  I would try to keep most of the weight i.e. winch and mounting
 centered.
 Greg Gibson
 '88 V6 Xtra Cab> ----------> From: 	Kathy & Ken Horn[SMTP:kkstable@uslink.net]> Reply To: 	toy4x4@tlca.org> Sent: 	Thursday, August 13, 1998 2:13 AM> To: 	toy4x4@tlca.org> Subject: 	winch bumper?>> I am sick of the wimpy stock bumper on my 85 4runner and am going to> begin building my own very heavy duty winch bumper for it.  What i was> wondering is there anyone out there that is willing to share the pattern> they used to mount their bumper to the frame for a strong hold? I just> do not want to mess anything up by making an experimental bumper mount.> Any info would be greatly appreciated.> thanks>>> ==========================================================================> ==> Toyota 4x4 page: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota> ============================================================================
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 Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 08:27:42 -0700
 From: Andy Ramm  Subject: Mystery Oil Consumption/Leak
 I have a '94 4Runner w/3VZE that's been consuming oil.  I have seen no
 little droplets under the truck and there's no tailpipe smoke
 whatsoever.  Initially I suspected I didn't tighten the oil filter
 enough last time I did an oil change.  This initially turned out to be
 the case as consumption was reduced after I found it was leaking at the
 filter and tightened it.
 Now, the truck is still consuming oil, less than before, but still about
 a quart every 2-1/2 weeks.  Any thoughts on this?  Is this a sign of a
 bad PCV valve?  Performance is good, no smokey ehaust, oil pressure is
 excellent, etc...
 Thoughts?  Advice?
 Thanks,
 Andy
 '94 4Runner V6
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 Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:43:26 -0400
 From: David Stracher  Subject: Re: redline MTL
 How much fluid do the tranny, transfer case, and diffs take on a '93
 4Runner? I know the procedure for telling when it's got the right amount, I
 just want to know whow much i need to buy.
 Thanks,
 Dave Stracher
 93 4Runner
 At 08:22 AM 8/13/98 -0700, you wrote:>MTL is the wrong lube for your transmission.  The best bet is MT 90.>MTL does not have enough viscosity for the 4Runner trannies.  BTW, when>you change the transmission oil, don't forget your poor, overworked>transfer case.  MT-90 is good for transfer cases too.>>I use MT-90 in my vintage racer and in my 4Runner.  IMHO it's the best>tranny lube I've used.>>Cheers,
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 Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 08:31:33 -0700
 From: davidl@city.victoria.bc.ca
 Subject: Rhino mufflers again>So this Bad sound,  was it due to the cat removed or do you think it was
 just the sound of the muffler in general??>>Will it sound different on a V6 ?  You have me worried I was going to go
 and get it tomorrow.   But I don't want to be driving in a lowered Civic
 Sound alike!!  I may as well start chroming everything!>>Tom Pechkovsky>92 4Runner
 Sorry,
 I should have said that as long as the cat is left in, it would sound close
 to a Dynomax or Flowmaster.
 Just ask before it goes on, what the shop will do if you don't like the
 sound!!
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 Dave Luzzi
 Victoria, B.C. Canada
 '89 4Runner 22RE
 davidl@city.victoria.bc.ca
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 Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 08:55:41 -0700
 From: "Gibson, Greg/EXEUG3"  Subject: RE: Mystery Oil Consumption/Leak
 Andy,
 Also check for leaks around the cam covers.
 I had the exact same symptoms on my 180kmile engine
 and fought it for a year.  At the end it needed a quart of oil
 for just about every tank of gas but the power was still OK
 and it didn't smoke.  I changed the PCV valve and that didn't
 help.  I guess maybe oil was being burned, I'll never know
 though because I replaced the engine a couple months ago
 and sold the old one to a friend for $100.  The new engine uses
 about 1/2 quart in 3000 miles  :-)
 Greg Gibson
 '88 V6 Xtra Cab> ----------> From: 	Andy Ramm[SMTP:aramm@concentric.net]> Reply To: 	toy4x4@tlca.org> Sent: 	Thursday, August 13, 1998 8:27 AM> To: 	Toy 4X List> Subject: 	Mystery Oil Consumption/Leak>> I have a '94 4Runner w/3VZE that's been consuming oil.  I have seen no> little droplets under the truck and there's no tailpipe smoke> whatsoever.  Initially I suspected I didn't tighten the oil filter> enough last time I did an oil change.  This initially turned out to be> the case as consumption was reduced after I found it was leaking at the> filter and tightened it.>> Now, the truck is still consuming oil, less than before, but still about> a quart every 2-1/2 weeks.  Any thoughts on this?  Is this a sign of a> bad PCV valve?  Performance is good, no smokey ehaust, oil pressure is> excellent, etc...>> Thoughts?  Advice?>> Thanks,>> Andy> '94 4Runner V6>> ==========================================================================> ==> Toyota 4x4 page: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota> ============================================================================
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 Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:56:20 -0400
 From: "Tom Pechkovsky"  Subject: Re: Rhino mufflers again
 Thanks for the advice Dave.
 Tom P.>>>  08/13 11:31 AM>>>>So this Bad sound,  was it due to the cat removed or do you think it was
 just the sound of the muffler in general??>>Will it sound different on a V6 ?  You have me worried I was going to go
 and get it tomorrow.   But I don't want to be driving in a lowered Civic
 Sound alike!!  I may as well start chroming everything!>>Tom Pechkovsky>92 4Runner
 Sorry,
 I should have said that as long as the cat is left in, it would sound close
 to a Dynomax or Flowmaster.
 Just ask before it goes on, what the shop will do if you don't like the
 sound!!
 **************************
 Dave Luzzi
 Victoria, B.C. Canada
 '89 4Runner 22RE
 davidl@city.victoria.bc.ca
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 Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 08:56:16 -0700
 From: "Gibson, Greg/EXEUG3"  Subject: RE: redline MTL
 3 quarts should be enough> ----------> From: 	David Stracher[SMTP:djstracher@bbn.com]> Reply To: 	toy4x4@tlca.org> Sent: 	Thursday, August 13, 1998 8:43 AM> To: 	toy4x4@tlca.org> Subject: 	Re: redline MTL>>> How much fluid do the tranny, transfer case, and diffs take on a '93> 4Runner? I know the procedure for telling when it's got the right amount,> I> just want to know whow much i need to buy.>> Thanks,> Dave Stracher> 93 4Runner>>>> At 08:22 AM 8/13/98 -0700, you wrote:>>MTL is the wrong lube for your transmission.  The best bet is MT 90.>>MTL does not have enough viscosity for the 4Runner trannies.  BTW, when>>you change the transmission oil, don't forget your poor, overworked>>transfer case.  MT-90 is good for transfer cases too.>>>>I use MT-90 in my vintage racer and in my 4Runner.  IMHO it's the best>>tranny lube I've used.>>>>Cheers,>>> ==========================================================================> ==> Toyota 4x4 page: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota> ============================================================================
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 Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 08:55:12 -0700
 From: Andy Ramm  Subject: Re: redline MTL
 If it's a V6 w/5 speed, the transmission is 6 point somethingorother
 pints (I think 6.2, but I'm not sure) and the xfer case is 2 point
 somethingorother pints (2.4 I think, but again not certain).  Filling
 these is a breeze, because when they're full, the oil will begin to
 spill from the filler opening.  Make sure the truck is fully warmed up
 and driven to heat the old oil prior to draining.
 In the diff, I don't remember the capacity, but MT-90 is not the rigjht
 lube there.  Use Red Line 75w90 gear oil.  Go here for more info:
 http://www.redlineoil.com/gearolti.htm
 Andy
 David Stracher wrote:>> How much fluid do the tranny, transfer case, and diffs take on a '93> 4Runner? I know the procedure for telling when it's got the right amount, I> just want to know whow much i need to buy.>> Thanks,> Dave Stracher> 93 4Runner>> At 08:22 AM 8/13/98 -0700, you wrote:>>MTL is the wrong lube for your transmission.  The best bet is MT 90.>>MTL does not have enough viscosity for the 4Runner trannies.  BTW, when>>you change the transmission oil, don't forget your poor, overworked>>transfer case.  MT-90 is good for transfer cases too.>>>>I use MT-90 in my vintage racer and in my 4Runner.  IMHO it's the best>>tranny lube I've used.>>>>Cheers,>> ============================================================================> Toyota 4x4 page: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota
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 Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:16:09 -0400
 From: "Tong, Donald L"  Subject: RE: A/C Comments ??!!
 I didn't mean to imply that the expansion valve replacement had caused
 any other problems to occur, but was just stating that for the first
 four years or so everything was fine, and  then I've had to do something
 with the A/C every year since.
 First it was just a recharge.  But there was a bad schraeder valve so
 the freon slowly leaked out.  So the next year another recharge.  The
 guy said something about the valve but said he managed to fix it (as
 opposed to replace it).  But it still leaked, so the next year another
 recharge (that was in March).  They couldn't find anything wrong so they
 also added some tracer dye.  I had it reexamined in June because it
 wasn't cooling as well anymore, and they found - you guessed it - a bad
 schraeder valve.  Fortunately this recharge was still under warranty and
 it cost me parts and labor the change the valve only.  Then it worked
 really, really good.  They guy said I could just about freeze meat, and
 sometimes I think he might have been right.
 Then two weeks ago the high pressure discharge line blew.
 In fixing the line, the shop also retrofitted the system for FreeZone,
 which according to the EPA web site, is 79% R-134a, 19% R142b, and 2%
 lubricant.  The guy at the shop said it works better than straight R-134
 but who really knows?
 Don
 '91 4-Runner
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 Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:24:08 -0700
 From: "Roger Brown, P.E."  Subject: Re: Idle problems - 22RE
 David wrote:> Nope, ther is no place for a tube, wire, nothing!  The bottom is smooth and> all there.  Someone else also said theirs haed no tube, so I am not alone.
 I just checked the one on my '85 22RE and it has tube off the bottom that runs
 to a small air filter.  The tube hooks to a 90 deg. elbow connected to the
 bottom of the dashpot.
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 Roger Brown, P.E.        mailto:rogerb@sgi.com
 http://reality.sgi.com/rogerb/4Runner.html
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 Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:33:49 -0600
 From: "Tong, Donald L"  Subject: RE: auxiliary antennas
 I used to have my antenna embedded in the dash, right above the glove
 compartment.  It was more convenient than using a mag mount but the
 signal strength was only okay (about the same as if I had put the
 antenna on top of the dash).  But outside is still much better.
 I also made the "don't paint it" comment.  Yes, I probably shouldn't
 have been so absolute/definitive/.
 The real point was that unless you know for sure that the paint doesn't
 contain oxides, don't paint it.
 Don
 '91 4-Runner
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 Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:42:59 -0500
 From: "Tong, Donald L"  Subject: RE: brake lights
 Make sure the bulbs are good.  You didn't say if they both went out at
 once or if someone just told you they are both out.  The dealer may
 think it's a fuse because they're both out, but they could have just
 both burned out at different times and this is the first time anyone's
 mentioned it to you.
 If the bulbs are okay, check the brake switch itself.  Pull the wiring
 connector and connect a continuity tester to the switch leads.  You
 should get continuity when you press on the brake pedal.
 Don
 '91 4-Runner
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 Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:07:22 -0500
 From: AOBROCK@LIFETOUCH.com
 Subject: Help with issues on a 90 4Runner SR5 V6 Automatic
 Ok guys here is my problem.  Two days ago I changed the harmonic balancer on
 my truck.  Now it is running really funny: 500rpm idle with or without A/C,
 has a surge when starting off from a stop light or sign (hesitation) and it
 shakes...  My idea is that the balancer screwed with the timing and valves,
 so I think my first choice is to get the timing and valves right. Any ideas
 or suggestons?  Am I going the right direction.  Timing and valves were done
 at 110K, actual mileage is 158K ?? Coulkd it be my VSV or something wierd
 like that??
 Please e-mail direct. AObrock@lifetouch.com
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 Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:07:52 -0500
 From: AOBROCK@LIFETOUCH.com
 Subject: Help with issues on a 90 4Runner SR5 V6 Automatic
 Ok guys here is my problem.  Two days ago I changed the harmonic balancer on
 my truck.  Now it is running really funny: 500rpm idle with or without A/C,
 has a surge when starting off from a stop light or sign (hesitation) and it
 shakes...  My idea is that the balancer screwed with the timing and valves,
 so I think my first choice is to get the timing and valves right. Any ideas
 or suggestons?  Am I going the right direction.  Timing and valves were done
 at 110K, actual mileage is 158K ?? Coulkd it be my VSV or something wierd
 like that??
 Please e-mail direct. AObrock@lifetouch.com
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 Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:09:37 -0500
 From: AOBROCK@LIFETOUCH.com
 Subject: Help with issues on a 90 4Runner SR5 V6 Automatic
 Ok guys here is my problem.  Two days ago I changed the harmonic balancer on
 my truck.  Now it is running really funny: 500rpm idle with or without A/C,
 has a surge when starting off from a stop light or sign (hesitation) and it
 shakes...  My idea is that the balancer screwed with the timing and valves,
 so I think my first choice is to get the timing and valves right. Any ideas
 or suggestons?  Am I going the right direction.  Timing and valves were done
 at 110K, actual mileage is 158K ?? Coulkd it be my VSV or something wierd
 like that??
 Please e-mail direct. AObrock@lifetouch.com
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 Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:27:39 -0700 (PDT)
 From: TrailDogg@webtv.net (~Trail Dogg~)
 Subject: Re: auxillary antennas
 as far as painting a GPS ant. you can`t use paint with lead in it....i
 have`nt seen any in the last 10 years so just read the lable of the
 paint.
 Darren Sinkey//SeaBass!
 82 l/b 22r,7"@33"s
 Oroville,Ca.?????where?
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 Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:30:09 -0700 (PDT)
 From: TrailDogg@webtv.net (~Trail Dogg~)
 Subject: RE: Radio stuff
 is the clock on your VCR flashing 12:00 all the time!
 sorry i could`nt help myself.
 Darren Sinkey//SeaBass!
 82 l/b 22r,7"@33"s
 Oroville,Ca.?????where?
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 Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:44:06 -0700
 From: Dee Smith  Subject: '84 Toyota 3rd member re-work
 Greetings all:
 I am venturing in "uncharted territory", I'm "thinking" again. :-0
 Anyway, I *think* that I am doing the rear Differential work on
 my '84 Toyota 4WD "correctly", i would just like some reassurance.
 So far I have "pulled" the rear axles, removed the pumkin, and found
 a "cast iron bearing spacer" ?
 I *thought* the bearing spacer was "supposed" to be a "crush-sleeve"?
 Sooo, I have bought the "Toyota" "crush-sleeve" from the Dealer ;-)
 Yeah, I know, still I wanted to know for sure what exactly there
 should be in the 3rd member.
 More to come.
 Thanks,
 M.D. Smith, V    TLCA #7039    '84 Toyota 4WD 22R SR5
 aka "Dee Smith"    ( gettin' the rear driveline re-worked!)
 Huntsville, Alabama
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 Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 14:02:35 -0400
 From: Darren Floen  Subject: Re: winch bumper?
 Give me a few days to dig out a tape measure,and i'll draw up a diagram
 of the system i use.Maybe i can even find some pics to scan and send.I
 use a subframe mounting system,wich i think is about the strongest mount
 possible.It took three bumpers to get it right.I also use the same mount
 to mount my snowplow,with another subframe bolted to the first one,but
 quickly removeable.A few listers i wheeled with in Backus seen how i
 have it set up.
 Darren
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 Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 14:25:16 -0400
 From: Ed.Wong@astramerck.com
 Subject: Tire Sizes
 Theres a thread going on about Gen3 4Runner tires, but I thought I add that I run
 235/85R16 Nokia Hakka 10s in the winter on my IFS Gen1 4Runner.
 They are mounted on Chevy offset rims - 16x6,  3.5" backspacing. But because the
 rim is so narrow, the "stick out" is the same as my summer tires -
 31x10.5 BFG's on a 15x7, 4.5 backspacing
 There is mild rubbing at full lock - it kisses the seam. I fixed it a bit by re-setting
 the fender well tabs that secure the inner fender liner to the fender. (they had been
 bent by having the mud flaps torn off while reversing).
 I dunno if chains will fit (or if my chains will fit on them) since I havent need chains
 since I got the tires :)
 EWong
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 Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:47:16 -0500
 From: AOBROCK@LIFETOUCH.com
 Subject: Help with issues on a 90 4Runner SR5 V6 Automatic
 Ok guys here is my problem.  Two days ago I changed the harmonic balancer on
 my truck.  Now it is running really funny: 500rpm idle with or without A/C,
 has a surge when starting off from a stop light or sign (hesitation) and it
 shakes...  My idea is that the balancer screwed with the timing and valves,
 so I think my first choice is to get the timing and valves right. Any ideas
 or suggestons?  Am I going the right direction.  Timing and valves were done
 at 110K, actual mileage is 158K ?? Coulkd it be my VSV or something wierd
 like that??
 Please e-mail direct. AObrock@lifetouch.com
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 Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 14:53:57 -0400
 From: Thomas Bank  Subject: Silicone Brake Fluid
 I had looked into silicone brake fluid awhile back and dismissed it when
 I learned of the brake fade problems when it got hot.  I was thinking
 about things today and wondered if it would be a problem for the
 hydraulic clutch?  Any ideas, experience, etc?
 Thomas Bank
 '85 shortbed pickup
 Harrisburg, PA
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 Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 14:09:07 -0700
 From: Dee Smith  Subject: Re: '84 Toyota 3rd member Part 2
 Dee Smith wrote:> I am doing the rear Differential work on
 my '84 Toyota 4WD w/ 22R (carb)
 So far I have "pulled" the rear axles, removed the pumkin,
 and found a "cast iron bearing spacer" ?
 I *thought* the bearing spacer was "supposed" to be a "crush-sleeve"?
 but instead this 3rd member had a Cast iron bearing spacer.
 Sooo, I have bought the "Toyota" "crush-sleeve" from the Dealer ;-)
 Yeah, I know, still I wanted to know for sure what exactly there
 should be in the 3rd member.
 The "Factory 1984 Toyota Truck Repair manual" is not clear as to
 which kind of bearing spacer is to be used?
 I know that with a Crush-sleeve you only get one chance to get
 the torque on the pinion nut correct. Right?
 In other words, If i cruch this bearing spacer incorrectly and
 remove, then a New Crush-sleeve is required?
 When I removed the cast iron type bearing spacer, there were some
 "paper thin" washers in there too. between the front pinion bearing,
 and the bearing spacer.
 Okay, any "hints"  :-)> Thanks,
 M.D. Smith, V    TLCA #7039    '84 Toyota 4WD 22R SR5 pickup
 aka "Dee Smith"    ( gettin' the rear driveline re-worked slowly.)
 Huntsville, Alabama
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 Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 14:20:04 -0500 (CDT)
 From: baivers@umr.edu
 Subject: Re: Silicone Brake Fluid
 Thomas,
 It would work great for a hydraulic clutch.  The downside is that you must
 remove absolutely _all_ of the glycol-based fluid from the lines and
 master/slave cylinders.  This can be tedious.
 Brock Ivers     1991 Mustang GT  "Never Too Quick"  SCCA Solo II  C Prepared
 1983 Toyota 4WD Pickup  -Goes anywhere, but nowhere fast.
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 Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:14 -0400 (EDT)
 From: JC Nordyke  Subject: TRD Supercharger
 Mark wrote:>>>>> Does anyone know of a toyota parts dealer somewhere in the country that
 will sell the TRD supercharger kit at somewhere close to dealer cost?  I
 want to buy it, just not for $2700, which is the best price my local
 toyota dealer would give me for parts only.  I'm only guessing, but I
 would bet that the dealer cost is in the neighborhood of $2000.  I would
 happily pay that.  Thanks in advance,>>>>> Mark, John, & List
 Call Charlie at Liberty Toyota in Colorado Springs. Toll free number
 is 800-289-0401. This is where I get most of my parts, and he's always
 done me right. I usually go in there with prices from Spectre, and
 Man-a-fre and he'll usually beat their price. I'm guessing he'll go
 mid to low 2's on this one. I get no kickbacks from any of these sales,
 so go ahead and see what he can do for you. The initial price he gave
 me was $2500. I told him I was calling for a friend, so if you want
 to use my name, you can. Call him and see what he'll do. Honestly,
 I don't think he ever sells anything at full retail. I get nothing
 from this except the satisfaction that someone got the best price on
 the part they wanted. HTH.
 By the way, when I talked with Charlie, he said that he was going
 to be on vacation after tomorrow for a week. So if anyone wanted to
 call, talk to John if Charlie isn't there. He said he would fill John
 in on trying to get you guys a deal.
 Again, no affiliation, yadda, yadda, yadda! Just a happy customer.
 JC Nordyke  KC0BKC  TLCA #2921
 jc.nordyke@mci.com nordyke420@integrityonline9.com
 '88 4Runner <-(for sale)    '72 FJ40 projekt
 Colorado Springs, Colorado, USA
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 Shouldn't the president be held to the same standards as a TV
 sportscaster?  --Marv Albert
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 Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:19:48 -0700
 From: "Gibson, Greg/EXEUG3"  Subject: RE: '84 Toyota 3rd member Part 2
 Dee,
 I think the deal is Toyota manufactured thousands of identical rear ends
 and determined the exact spacer needed to provide the right pinion
 bearing preload at the proper torque.  So instead of doing a crush sleeve,
 they made a precise cast iron spacer.  The shims you saw are for fine
 tuning.
 When installing an aftermarket set of gears, the cast iron spacer is
 probably
 not close enough so the crush sleeve is used.  The crush sleeve IS a one
 time deal, once you crush it too far, the bearing preload would be too great
 when the proper pinion nut torque was used.
 Hope that helps
 Greg Gibson> ----------> From: 	Dee Smith[SMTP:deesmith@hiwaay.net]> Reply To: 	toy4x4@tlca.org> Sent: 	Thursday, August 13, 1998 2:09 PM> To: 	toy4x4@tlca.org> Subject: 	Re: '84 Toyota 3rd member Part 2>> Dee Smith wrote:>>> I am doing the rear Differential work on>  my '84 Toyota 4WD w/ 22R (carb)>  So far I have "pulled" the rear axles, removed the pumkin,> and found a "cast iron bearing spacer" ?>  I *thought* the bearing spacer was "supposed" to be a "crush-sleeve"?> but instead this 3rd member had a Cast iron bearing spacer.>>  Sooo, I have bought the "Toyota" "crush-sleeve" from the Dealer ;-)> Yeah, I know, still I wanted to know for sure what exactly there> should be in the 3rd member.> The "Factory 1984 Toyota Truck Repair manual" is not clear as to> which kind of bearing spacer is to be used?>> I know that with a Crush-sleeve you only get one chance to get> the torque on the pinion nut correct. Right?> In other words, If i cruch this bearing spacer incorrectly and> remove, then a New Crush-sleeve is required?>> When I removed the cast iron type bearing spacer, there were some> "paper thin" washers in there too. between the front pinion bearing,> and the bearing spacer.> Okay, any "hints"  :-)>>>  Thanks,>>  M.D. Smith, V    TLCA #7039    '84 Toyota 4WD 22R SR5 pickup>  aka "Dee Smith"    ( gettin' the rear driveline re-worked slowly.)>  Huntsville, Alabama>> ==========================================================================> ==> Toyota 4x4 page: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota> ============================================================================
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 Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:15:50 -0700
 From: "Kenneth R Waddill"  Subject: ARIZONA STATE ASSOCIATION JAMBOREE
 Want to get a taste of Arizona style four wheelin? Then don't miss our 25th
 anniversary
 Arizona State Association of Four Wheel Drive Clubs Jamboree!!!!!
 This year will feature vendors, great prizes, excellent food, lots of fun,
 and the best trails for all levels you could want!!!!!
 WANT INFO:
 602-258-4by4
 www.asa4wdc.org
 Or contact me:
 1985 Toyota 4Runner   Built and beaten !!!
 +++TURBO DIRECT     SALES & SERVICE REP.+++
 President of the Arizona State Association of
 Four Wheel Drive Clubs
 waddill@prodigy.net        602-997-9277
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 Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:30:12 -0700
 From: "Kenneth R Waddill"  Subject: Soon to be released !!! Ken (TURBO DIRECT)
 LandCruiser fans our new 8.75 rear axle set up is almost done!!
 Now to give you a hint of what I'm working on ..... How about a front LC
 axle built on a mopar 8.75 center using Chevy Blazer for the rest? It is on
 the bench being assembled as I send this. No more birfields to deal with
 and all Chevy disc brakes to boot. ( I like to use factory parts only, no
 waiting 2-3 weeks to get a custom size part when your broken on the trail )
 1985 Toyota 4Runner   Built and beaten !!!
 +++TURBO DIRECT     SALES & SERVICE REP.+++
 President of the Arizona State Association of
 Four Wheel Drive Clubs
 waddill@prodigy.net        602-997-9277
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 Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 14:02:19 -0800
 From: Jeff Moskovitz  Subject: Flex-a-Lite Electric fans
 Before I ask my little question, let me just say that I HAVE searched
 through the list's archives but haven't found the definitive answer, so
 bear with me if you feel this ground has been covered before:
 I recently completed some pretty significant upgrades/mods to my 22R-TE
 engine (T3/T4 turbo,  LC Engineering modified head and cam, bigger
 valves, bigger injectors). I'm now in the process of fine-tuning it; it
 makes plenty of power and will make more once I get it dialed in :-) One
 thing I've noticed, however, is that it's running hotter than it did
 before the modifications. This doesn't surprise me, as the new turbo
 moves a lot more air than the stock turbo, and I've had my foot in it,
 too...which was kinda the point of the whole exercise...
 My question is: can someone who has installed one of the Flex-a-Lite
 model 165 fans tell me how good a job it does at cooling the engine? My
 stock cooling system (the 22R-TE came with a 3 row radiator) seems
 capable, but I'm worried about long slow climbs and extended drives
 overwhelming it. As it is, the (stock) temperature needle still rests
 below the halfway mark, but it's up a few millimeters from where it
 rested before the mods.  Also, I've noticed that there is slightly more
 coolant displaced into the overflow tank than before. Nothing critical,
 nothing approaching the high side of the gauge, but then I haven't really
 pushed it yet, either. I don't have A/C, just a bigger turbo and a lead
 foot, so if the Flex-a-Lite does a better job than the stock fan, I'd be
 eager to add it.
 Any thoughts would be appreciated.
 Thanks!
 Jeff
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 Technical Writer                           http://www.well.com/user/mosk
 FileMaker, Inc.
 jeff_moskovitz@filemaker.com
 mosk@well.com
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 Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 16:32:18 -0700
 From: Dee Smith  Subject: Re: '84 Toyota 3rd member / "shims"
 Gibson, Greg/EXEUG3 wrote:>> Dee,>> I think the deal is Toyota manufactured thousands of> identical rear ends and determined the exact> spacer needed to provide the right pinion> bearing preload at the proper torque.> So instead of doing a crush sleeve,> they made a precise cast iron spacer.> The shims you saw are for fine tuning.> - ----> Kewl, then i may use the "cast iron" bearing spacer?
 Great! Now, where do I purchase some new "shim wahsers"?
 The "Toyota Parts Dept." here did not show any source for the
 Bearing "spacer shims".> When installing an aftermarket set of gears,> the cast iron spacer is probably> not close enough so the crush sleeve is used.>  The crush sleeve IS a one time deal,> once you crush it too far,> the bearing preload would be too great> when the proper pinion nut torque was used.>> Hope that helps>> Greg Gibson>> Dee Smith wrote:>> I am doing the rear Differential work on>>  my '84 Toyota 4WD w/ 22R (carb)>>  So far I have "pulled" the rear axles, removed the pumkin,>> and found a "cast iron bearing spacer" ?>>> The "Factory 1984 Toyota Truck Repair manual" is not clear as to>> which kind of bearing spacer is to be used?> I know that with a Crush-sleeve you only get one chance to get
 the torque on the pinion nut correct.  Right? In other words,
 If i crush this bearing spacer incorrectly and
 remove, then a New Crush-sleeve is required?>>> When I removed the cast iron type bearing spacer, there were some>> "paper thin" washers in there too. between the front pinion bearing,>> and the bearing spacer.>> Okay, any "hints"  :-)>> - -----> Thanks Greg, :-)
 I plan on "attempting" this 3rd member re-install again
 as soon as I can locate some "bearing spacer shims". ;-)
 Thanks,
 M.D. Smith, V    TLCA #7039    '84 Toyota 4WD 22R SR5 pickup
 aka "Dee Smith"    ( gettin' the rear driveline re-worked slowly.)
 Huntsville, Alabama  (lookin' for the pinion bearingspacer shims!)
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 Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 14:54:03 -0700
 From: "Gibson, Greg/EXEUG3"  Subject: RE: '84 Toyota 3rd member / "shims"
 Dee,
 You may have a hard time finding those shims because
 nobody does it that way.  Most people use the crush sleeve.
 Any shims you find are going to be for setting the pinion
 depth to obtain a 'good pattern'.
 Your best bet is to measure the pinion shaft diameter
 and visit some transmission / diff shops to see if they have
 shims about the right size.  Then once you get the
 pinion depth set and you're ready to set preload, put
 the flange on and torque the pinion nut down to 200ft-lbs
 or whatever spec is and see if the preload is correct.
 If the preload is too great then add shims and vice versa.
 I've never done it this way so there may be some reason
 it won't work that I'm not thinking of, like I said, most
 people use a crush sleeve.
 Greg Gibson> ----------> From: 	Dee Smith[SMTP:deesmith@hiwaay.net]> Reply To: 	toy4x4@tlca.org> Sent: 	Thursday, August 13, 1998 4:32 PM> To: 	toy4x4@tlca.org> Subject: 	Re: '84 Toyota 3rd member / "shims">> Gibson, Greg/EXEUG3 wrote:>>>> Dee,>>>> I think the deal is Toyota manufactured thousands of>> identical rear ends and determined the exact>> spacer needed to provide the right pinion>> bearing preload at the proper torque.>> So instead of doing a crush sleeve,>> they made a precise cast iron spacer.>> The shims you saw are for fine tuning.>>> ----> Kewl, then i may use the "cast iron" bearing spacer?> Great! Now, where do I purchase some new "shim wahsers"?> The "Toyota Parts Dept." here did not show any source for the> Bearing "spacer shims".>>> When installing an aftermarket set of gears,>> the cast iron spacer is probably>> not close enough so the crush sleeve is used.>>  The crush sleeve IS a one time deal,>> once you crush it too far,>> the bearing preload would be too great>> when the proper pinion nut torque was used.>>>> Hope that helps>>>> Greg Gibson>>>> Dee Smith wrote:>>> I am doing the rear Differential work on>>>  my '84 Toyota 4WD w/ 22R (carb)>>>  So far I have "pulled" the rear axles, removed the pumkin,>>> and found a "cast iron bearing spacer" ?>>>>> The "Factory 1984 Toyota Truck Repair manual" is not clear as to>>> which kind of bearing spacer is to be used?>>> I know that with a Crush-sleeve you only get one chance to get>  the torque on the pinion nut correct.  Right? In other words,>  If i crush this bearing spacer incorrectly and>   remove, then a New Crush-sleeve is required?>>>>> When I removed the cast iron type bearing spacer, there were some>>> "paper thin" washers in there too. between the front pinion bearing,>>> and the bearing spacer.>>> Okay, any "hints"  :-)>>>> -----> Thanks Greg, :-)> I plan on "attempting" this 3rd member re-install again> as soon as I can locate some "bearing spacer shims". ;-)>>  Thanks,>>   M.D. Smith, V    TLCA #7039    '84 Toyota 4WD 22R SR5 pickup>   aka "Dee Smith"    ( gettin' the rear driveline re-worked slowly.)>   Huntsville, Alabama  (lookin' for the pinion bearingspacer shims!)>> ==========================================================================> ==> Toyota 4x4 page: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota> ============================================================================
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