Toyota 4x4 digest:       Wednesday, July 8 1998       Volume 01 : Number 915
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 Trip to Tellico
 Re: Tacoma?
 4wheeling around St. Louis, Missouri?
 re: air con.
 Re: 22RE Starting Problem ......any ideas?
 throttle position sensor
 National Springs
 RE: 22RE Starting Problem ......any ideas?
 plug wires for sale
 Yikes! We rolled!
 Re: AC
 V6 Headgaskets service campaign
 RE: Toyota 4x4 digest: V1 #913
 RE: Toyota 4x4 digest: V1 #913
 Outfitting for heavy camper
 Re: Toyota 4x4 digest: V1 #914
 FW: Electric Locker
 trannie
 RE: 22RE Starting Problem ......any ideas?
 Re: Outfitting for heavy camper
 Re: Seat Cable / 4Runner Repair, replace
 Re: Lo Rider 4Runner
 T150 - Not?
 Tire Pressure
 Re: Lo Rider 4Runner
 RE: V6 Headgaskets service campaign
 4Runner Jamboree
 Re: A/C recharge in Sacramento, CA
 UMM WOES
 lack of power
 bio
 Re: Tire Pressure
 Toy Parts For Sale
 Dreaming....
 Wiper Fluid Motor
 Re: lack of power
 Re: 4Runner Jamboree
 Re: Tire Pressure
 Re: bio
 RE: trannie
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 Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 22:05:30 EDT
 From: DRM033@aol.com
 Subject: Trip to Tellico
 I know I have been late relaying this information, but here is what I have.
 I will be at Tellico ORV area the third weekend of August.  That will be the
 weekend of  the 14th (Friday) through the 16th (Sunday).  I will get there
 some time Thursday night (the 13th) so that I can ride all day Friday and Sat.
 & take it easy on SUnday before I come home.
 I know some of you expressed interest in coming, so that is when I will be
 there.  There should be a few other people there, and I know Sheldon has
 contacted me on the phone to say he will be there.
 I don't really have much as far as camping or motel info.  I plan to stay at
 the camping area right there at the state line.  I will try to find out what
 places there are to stay if someone needs it.  It may be so hot I might just
 get a room too.
 Let me know if you are going to be able to make it & we can look out for
 people.
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 Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 19:16:59 -7 GMT
 From: "Leo G. Divinagracia III"  Subject: Re: Tacoma?> From: Ed.Wong@astramerck.com> Subject: Tacoma?>> See the Rod Millen Tacoma truck???> righhhttttt.  that's a truck.  and my front IFS has 20" travel
 also... 8-))
 first time i saw it, i pulled a picture of a regular taco next to it
 and i see nothing in common at all...
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 Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 21:21:52 -0500
 From: Galen Sinkey  Subject: 4wheeling around St. Louis, Missouri?
 I am looking at a possible relocation to St. Louis Missouri.  Anyone know
 of any good 4 wheeling to be done around there?  I am interested in
 exploring / trails more than mud bogging, etc.  Let me know if you live
 and/or 4wheel in the area.
 - -- Galen Sinkey
 95 Tacoma 4X4 SR5 V6, 5 spd, 31s, etc
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 Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 19:18:25 -0700
 From: "Raymond Kumar"  Subject: re: air con.
 All the discussion on R12 VS R134 is very timely for me as I'm having a
 factory a/c installed in my 85 4runner this week.My question is this:is R12
 legal in Wash. State?,it is now unavailable in Canada and there is no
 question that R12 is better.If possible I'll install the system and make
 the drive to Bellingham or Seattle if need be.
 Ray
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 Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 21:24:53 -0600
 From: Rob Boyle  Subject: Re: 22RE Starting Problem ......any ideas?
 Rob Boyle wrote:>> Jay Kopycinski wrote:>>>> The Work Around:>> 1) DO NOT depress clutch>> 2) Turn key to "Start" (hold for several seconds) (fuel pump only runs)>> 3) Then depress clutch and it will start right up.>>> Jay, this may be a clue for you. The fuel pump shouldn't pump just with> the key in the start position. I believe that the MAS has to tell a> relay that there is airflow first.> --Duh....
 forget I said that :)> Rob Boyle 85 4runner>> ============================================================================> Toyota 4x4 page: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota
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 Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 03:23:31
 From: TIM BREWERS  Subject: throttle position sensor
 does anyone know how to test a throttle position sensor on a 89 v-6?
 my truck idles anywhere from 700 to 1700 rpm.  any ideas?  I've checked vacuum, changed plugs wires etc. with no improvements. any guesses would be welcomed. thanks
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 Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 21:46:10 -0600
 From: Tony Bartlett  Subject: National Springs
 Someone mentioned that they have heard people bitch about National
 Springs.
 It all depends on what you want and how much money and time you have on
 hand.
 In my opinion Nationals are some of the best springs around.  But, they
 are expensive, VERY SOFT and if you do not get the weight of you truck
 perfect you will run into problems.
 I have known people who have had to send springs back to National more
 than a few times before the correct ride height was achieved.
 I also know someone who runs nationals, rock crawls with the best of
 them and like very high speed running.  I rode with him once and it was
 amazing how well his Jeep handled and it rode close to a cadillac over
 some very rough surfaces at high speed and it cornered very well.  But,
 he also knows how to drive.
 The other problem for solid axle toys it that there spring packs are
 very thick.  With them this thick you have to do something up front with
 the steering arm (like ball on top) because the drag link will hit the
 u-bolts.
 Right now I do not think you can beat the Alcan front springs for
 Toyota's.  I am still not completly satisfied with there rear springs to
 buy a set.  I know about 7 people with Alcans in all corners and the
 rears just do not work very well.  Once again this is my opinion.  Also,
 RMOR is always doing R&D with the Alcans so maybe the rears will come
 around.
 Tony.
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 Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 21:52:05 -0600
 From: Tony Bartlett  Subject: RE: 22RE Starting Problem ......any ideas?
 Jay, if you still have not found the problem you might check fuel
 pressure.  Maybe the check valve in the tank is sticking open in hot
 weather.  Allowing the fuel in the main line to drain back into tank.
 It will act like running out of gas on startup until fuel pressure gets
 to normal in the line.
 I lived in Phoenix for over a year and never ran into any type of vapor
 lock problem.  Also, did you ever have that type of problem when you had
 the stock engine.  I just have not heard of vapor lock on a Toyota.
 With fuel injection, if my brain is working correctly today, you would
 have to get the fuel really hot to boil at 30PSI.
 Toyota Tony
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 Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 23:55:17 EDT
 From: DRM033@aol.com
 Subject: plug wires for sale
 I have a set of SplitFire plug wires for sale if anyone wants them.  A couple
 of the metal clips that attach to the plugs came off so I removed them, but I
 am sure someone  might want to put them back together & use them.  Other than
 that, they were on the truck less than a year.  They are from a 22RE, 90 model
 truck.
 $15 to who ever wants them, I'll pay shipping.
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 David Moore                                 DRM033@aol.com
 TLCA #5662
 Traxx In Motion 4 Wheel Drive Club
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 Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 22:28:30 -0600
 From: "John Lange"  Subject: Yikes! We rolled!
 Well Im no longer a virgin....Our most recent trip to Moab was quite the
 trip.  Zac and I in his solid axle 88' 4Runner rolled on the Hell's Revenge
 trail.  It was a nice mellow tipover that was quite scenic on the way over.
 No one was hurt (except pride) and we rolled her back over, pulled the
 plugs, shot the oil out, and were on our way with minor damage.   Kevin
 from Rocky Mountain Toyota came with us and I must say Im way impressed by
 his rig!   Look for some new pics of that trip on my guest page "97 Runner"
 on Chris Geigers guest site's.....
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 Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 23:08:47 -0500
 From: schein@juno.com (Dan Schein)
 Subject: Re: AC
 On Wed, 01 Jul 1998 21:12:45 -0500 "Steve C."
 writes:>Larry D Walls wrote:>>> with 12 that's 3 can's of freon $12 ea.>> and both hose's $73 for both new from Toyota>>>>ok out with it where can I get cans of R12 for ONLY $12 a>can.....thats>damn near impossible to find that cheap.  30# drums are going for>$700+.
 I have 4 of the old 12oz ones that I don't need but would ask more than
 $12 a can. And no, my 30# is not for sale ;-)
 - -Dan
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 Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 23:34:11 -0500
 From: Lance Hollister  Subject: V6 Headgaskets service campaign
 Has anyone else received a recall (service campaign) notice for replacement
 of defective head gaskets?  The last I heard, Toyota was only covering some
 but was quite pleased to get this in the mail.  Scheduled mine for next
 week.  Just wondering why nobody has mentioned it.
 Lance
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 Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 17:46:52 -0700
 From: "Rich Mader"  Subject: RE: Toyota 4x4 digest: V1 #913
 Name: Rich Mader
 City & State: Las Vegas,NV.
 Country: USA
 e-mail: rmader@gte.net
 Toyota year & model: 98 SR5
 Are you a TLCA Member( y/n/number): N
 Age: 52
 Occupation:Communications Tech.
 Marital Status:S
 Hobbies:Golf,R-C airplanes
 How did you find out about the Toyota 4x4 mailing list:4x4.com
 General info about your vehicle,self,ect.:Brand new 4Runner and can't wait
 to 4Wheel.
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 Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 17:46:52 -0700
 From: "Rich Mader"  Subject: RE: Toyota 4x4 digest: V1 #913
 Name: Rich Mader
 City & State: Las Vegas,NV.
 Country: USA
 e-mail: rmader@gte.net
 Toyota year & model: 98 SR5
 Are you a TLCA Member( y/n/number): N
 Age: 52
 Occupation:Communications Tech.
 Marital Status:S
 Hobbies:Golf,R-C airplanes
 How did you find out about the Toyota 4x4 mailing list:4x4.com
 General info about your vehicle,self,ect.:Brand new 4Runner and can't wait
 to 4Wheel.
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 Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 23:40:11 -0000
 From: Jay Prince  Subject: Outfitting for heavy camper
 Hello all-
 I'm new to the list.  So, apologies if this is a pedestrian issue I
 should have been able to research elsewhere.
 I've got an 87 4x4 and I want to put an Alaskan Camper shell on it.
 These things weigh about 1,700-1,900 pounds.  The previous owner added a
 leaf spring, but I don't know the details...and they kept the owners
 manual when they sold me the truck.
 So, some questions-
 What's the stock capacity of this truck?  Any way to know what this leaf
 spring has done?
 I want to take it to Inuvik, which is way up north of the arctic circle
 and involves a long drive over a gravel road ... a rough trip with a
 heavy camper has me concerned.
 Do I need to upgrade the front suspension?  Is there a safe set of things
 I can just go and do to eliminate worries? Also, it seems to me that this
 could put more strain on the transmission and engine than it was designed
 for.  I'm willing to spend the money now because I want to put another
 100k miles on it with this camper, and I don't want to be stuck on the
 side of the road in the middle of nowhere because I saved a couple
 hundred dollars here.   Can this be done safely with this truck?
 So many questions, I appreciate your indulgence!
 Jay
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 Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 00:05:47 -0800
 From: "Richard Sheridan"  Subject: Re: Toyota 4x4 digest: V1 #914
 Date:          Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:55:42 -1000
 From:          owner-toy4x4@tlca.org (Toyota 4x4 digest:)
 To:            toy4x4-digest@unix.off-road.com
 Subject:       Toyota 4x4 digest: V1 #914
 Reply-to:      toy4x4@tlca.org
 From: Jim Walters  Jim, I too have the toyota gauge set you refer to. On my 85'p/u with
 fullcamper shell with safari rack on top and after four  years of
 hard wheeling I become cautious at 30degrees. However I feel the 30
 mark is a liability issue for manufacters. In my reality I've had my
 truck on 45(this is a point of  extreme pucker!) and highly
 unsettling. So I feel 30 is completely safe. If you mix speed with
 that number and hit a bump, that is were you'll have trouble.
 On these angle go as slow as possible.
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 Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 00:19:37 -0700
 From: Jon Brandt  Subject: FW: Electric Locker
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 From: 	Support
 Sent: 	Monday, July 06, 1998 4:20 PM
 To: 	Jon Brandt
 Subject: 	Re: Electric Locker
 The following was returned to me from Powertrax when I inqurred about the electric locker's release and features:
 Thank you for your interest.
 Unfortunately the project is on hold at this time.  We do not expect to
 continue working on the Command Locker project until at least 1999.
 We will keep you updated as developments occur.
 Thank you,
 Powertrax
 No info was given concerning the "product's" features, even though I asked.
 Jon Brandt
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 Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 06:34:57 -0700 (PDT)
 From: DEREK CAPUTI  Subject: trannie
 Hey all,
 I finally got my gears in and broken in 500 miles ago and over the
 last few weeks Ive noticed that I have plenty of power and maintained
 65 on the highway no problem but on a trip to the beach last weekend,
 (300miles) but it seems like some times the power just dissapears and
 I will slow down to 55 even on flat surfaces? Also some days the gear
 shift will be almost hot to the touch but most of the time it is cool.
 Is there some way I can cool down my manual transmission?, or is this
 a sign of another problem?
 Thanks in advance!
 ==
 87 4Runner 10"lift 38x14.5 TSLSX's on black steel rims
 freeflow exaust   Hi6 ignition   5.29Gears
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 Date: Wed, 08 Jul 98 09:11:38 -0600
 From: bwiencek@kcnet.com
 Subject: RE: 22RE Starting Problem ......any ideas?
 On Tue, 07 Jul 1998, Tony Bartlett  wrote:>Jay, if you still have not found the problem you might check fuel>pressure.  Maybe the check valve in the tank is sticking open in hot>weather.  Allowing the fuel in the main line to drain back into tank.
 Also - how about a leaky injector (stuck open) or a bad cold-start injector
 (open also).  It sounds like something is leting the fuel pressure bleed off
 when hot.  Try ooking up a pressure guage to the fuel rail and moitor it when
 the problem is likely to happen.
 - - Brian
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 Date: Wed, 08 Jul 98 09:11:42 -0600
 From: bwiencek@kcnet.com
 Subject: Re: Outfitting for heavy camper>I've got an 87 4x4 and I want to put an Alaskan Camper shell on it.>These things weigh about 1,700-1,900 pounds.  The previous owner added a>leaf spring, but I don't know the details...and they kept the owners>manual when they sold me the truck.
 The PO probably added what's called an "add-a-leaf" spring to raise the rear
 end, and compensate for heavier loads.  It probably raised the rear 1-2" and
 added up to 500 lbs of load carrying capacity (advertised) I have to admit
 1900 lbs is a LOT to put on the rear of a toy.... Does this unit replace the
 bed or is it a slide-in?  After installing the camper I'd look in to a set of
 "air bags" that bolt between the frame and the axle, and can be aired up to
 compensate for loads.>What's the stock capacity of this truck?
 I think the capacity of the bed is like 1000 lbs MAX.>Do I need to upgrade the front suspension?
 Probably not upgrade, since most of the weight will be over the rear wheels,
 just make sure everything is in good shape (ball-joints, idler arm, a-arm
 bushings, etc.).>Is there a safe set of things>I can just go and do to eliminate worries?
 Well, make absolutely sure that everything is in tip-top shape before you
 leave.  Make sure the front end is solid with no loose ball-joints/bushings,
 etc.  For that kind of weight I'd almost suggest having the entire rear-end
 rebuilt with all new bearings (esp. at the axles), and replace the U-joints
 in the rear if they are the origionals.  Check for slop on the slip joint
 too.  A driveline failure is the last thing that you want in the "middle of
 nowhere"> Also, it seems to me that this>could put more strain on the transmission and engine than it was designed>for.
 This is verry true, although there were quite a few toyota 'camper
 conversions' that ran on the older pickup chassis.  You can try finding one
 of those with the dually rear axle to carry the weight, or even one of the
 old "1-ton" model trucks would probably have a better rear.  Make sure that
 the truck is geared for the tires you are running, and I'd even consider
 going 1 step lower. (i.e. 4.88's with 31's, 4.56's w/30's).  I have towed
 more than that much weight with my 4-cyl toys, and they did "ok", but I
 wouldn't really want to tow that much weight for 1000 miles in the outback,
 much less carry it over the rear axle.>I'm willing to spend the money now because I want to put another>100k miles on it with this camper, and I don't want to be stuck on the>side of the road in the middle of nowhere because I saved a couple>hundred dollars here.   Can this be done safely with this truck?
 OK here's what you do - go get yourself a 4.3L vortec V-6 / 700-R4 out of a
 97 (or so) chevy, hook it up to the toy transfer case, get a Ford Nodular 9"
 rear end cut down to the proper width, and run 16" dual rear wheels on a set
 of heavier capacity custom springs.  That should pull the weight, be
 reliable, and let you "spend the money now" ;-)
 Realisticly, give the truck a good tune-up, change the oil, replace
 the filers (fuel and air filter), clean the injectors (if FI), flush the
 coolant, I like adding Red-Line Water wetter to reduce coolant temps, if it's
 an auto - add a huge trans oil cooler, change the Diff fluids, and the
 transfer case fluid.  Make sure all belts and hoses are in good shape, and if
 you replace them, carry the old ones as spares.  Check the plug
 wires/cap/rotor for wear.  Might look into carrying a spare ignitor module
 too.
 Mabye James (tonka-tuff man) can add his $.02 about his expierences with the
 load capacity of the stock rear axle, since I think I remember him saying
 that he carries a lot of equipment in the outback??
 Good luck,
 - - Brian
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 Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 09:17:48 -0700
 From: Dee Smith  Subject: Re: Seat Cable / 4Runner Repair, replace
 Dr. Karl Bellve wrote:>> Anyone have a junk seat that they are using for parts?> The cable that controls the sliding of the seat broke> on my front passengers seat.> The cable has one wire coming from the seat back,> then splits into two, each one going to a runner.>> 1985 SR5 4Runner seat, if that helps.> - ----> Dr. Karl,
 I sympathise with 'ya.  ;-)
 My '86 4Runner had the same "broken cable".   :-(
 I ended up going to the Toyota Parts Dept.
 Total cost was about: $38.00
 It was not too terribly difficult to replace, about
 a 2 Banana job.  :-)> -->> Cheers,>> Karl Bellve, Ph.D.                   ICQ# 13956200> Biomedical Imaging Group               IM: kbellve> University of Massachusetts> Phone: (508) 856-6514> ==============> Good Luck!
 Regards,
 M.D. Smith, V   TLCA #7039   '86 Toyota 4Runner 22R EFI w/Automatic
 aka "Dee Smith"   My 4Runner has over 241,000 miles 'an going strong!
 Huntsville, Alabama
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 Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 08:07:18 -0700
 From: "jskaggs"  Subject: Re: Lo Rider 4Runner
 I like my running my Alcans fast through the desert.  Alcans completetly
 changed my truck.  It rides better than my Baja Bug did across the desert.
 John Skaggs
 TLCA# 5560
 thunder90@msn.com
 Visalia, CA
 85 4Runner>Never saw any>Alcans running...except for on the rocks where they do seem to work well.>>>------------------------------------------------------------------------->Jimmy Tom >------------------------------------------------------------------------->>>>===========================================================================
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 Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:21:57 -0400
 From: Ed.Wong@astramerck.com
 Subject: T150 - Not?
 From AutoWeek 6/29/98 p6
 T'd off:
 Dont call the next ful-size Toyota truck the T150 and dont
 call the new Lincolin the LS6 or LS8. When Toyota filed to
 register the T150 name as a trademark after the truck's
 introduction  (as a road ready concept) at the Chicago
 show, Ford protested, saying its new name was too
 similar to F-150. (although the Federal trademark office
 does not consider styling issues - the Toyota also *looks*
 like the Ford pickup.)
 Toyota quickly capitulated. "Toyota would always take the
 high road with that," a spokesman said.
 Then Toyota played its trump card. It countered that
 Lincolin's new Ls6 and LS8 names too closely
 resembeled LS 300 and LS 400, as in Lexus. So
 Ford dropped teh numbers from the LS series name.
 Still Ford claims victory. "That [dropping the numbers]
 was under discussion anyway," a Ford spokesman said.
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 Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 12:20:20 -0400
 From: Eli  Subject: Tire Pressure
 Menko wrote-
 *************************
 Today I got my tires back from being rotated at my local tire place and I
 checked the pressure.  37psi cold!  I have a set of 30x9.50 BFG A/Ts.
 These tires are new so I hadn't checked the pressure in them before having
 them rotated.  The tire monkey assured me this was correct so I left rather
 confused.
 **************************
 I've found that whenever I've had tires put on or repaired or whatever, the
 tire store always puts them up to a similarly high pressure. I think maybe
 it's because they think people will forget to ever check their air, so they
 figure this much air will last until the next tire change. I don't know. I
 know now to check the pressure after the tire monkeys have been fooling
 with my tires.....
 Eli Madden
 Middlebury, Vermont
 '83 Standard Bed SR5 4x4 w/ '87 22R, 31" Worn Muds, and lots of dents and
 scratches!
 eli@computeralt.com
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 Date: Wed, 8 Jul 98 12:49:00 -0500
 From: Rosenberger Bud  Subject: Re: Lo Rider 4Runner
 Ed wrote:>Hmm - only 12 inches from rim to lip... uh - that means I have a 1.5"
 lowered>ride...>Guess I'll do the NE run in "lowered" stance.
 No way lo rider!  "Jour pom-poms will drag in de mud!"   My Runner is at
 the garage as we speak having the same offending bolts torched out and
 new ones installed.  About $12/ side for bolts, nuts, washers, moon
 shaped thingy ( technical term)  Thanks to Chris Geiger for the tips.
 You might want to check out his page on this.  The dealer could have
 them in time for you to do it.  The guy at the shop is charging me .5
 hours to torch and replace them all!  Hope you can get them done!
 BTW In preparation for the NE run, I replaced my rear springs and did
 some experimenting that may be of interest to some of you.  I removed the
 load leaf and replaced it with the bottom spring from my old Toyota
 spring pack,  trimmed about 6 inches on each end.( to clear the clamps)
 It made the ride a bit more firm, raised it up about 2" over where it
 should have been, and I can twist it up so my shocks are limiting travel.
 I can't get any wheel hop so I don't think they are wrapping.  With the
 torsion bars cranked a bit, and the 1" blocks that are going in today
 too, I should be ready to go.  Cheap lift and good travel.
 Is that 13.5" number the factory setting?  I think Chris gave a 14 or 15"
 number that you could crank to.  He has a newer truck than ours tho.
 Email me direct for more details.
 HTH,
 Bud Rosenberger
 Arcade, NY
 85 SR5 longbed  167k
 85 std. Shortbed 129k
 85 Xtracab- parts 144k
 87 SR5 4Runner 90k
 86 std. Shortbed 134k
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 Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:03:42 -0700
 From: "Gibson, Greg/EXEUG3"  Subject: RE: V6 Headgaskets service campaign
 What year is your truck?  I received an extended warranty card for one
 more
 year a couple months ago for my '88 V6 extra cab.  I would be very
 interested
 in a general recall.
 Greg Gibson> ----------> From: 	Lance Hollister[SMTP:holliste@ptsi.net]> Reply To: 	toy4x4@tlca.org> Sent: 	Tuesday, July 07, 1998 9:34 PM> To: 	toy4x4@tlca.org> Subject: 	V6 Headgaskets service campaign>> Has anyone else received a recall (service campaign) notice for> replacement> of defective head gaskets?  The last I heard, Toyota was only covering> some> but was quite pleased to get this in the mail.  Scheduled mine for> next> week.  Just wondering why nobody has mentioned it.>> Lance> END> ****************************************************> PRISONS DISCUSSION HOMEPAGE http://members2.supernews.com/p/r/prisons/> ****************************************************>> ======================================================================> ======> Toyota 4x4 page: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota> ============================================================================
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 Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 10:36:54 -0700
 From: Scott Wilson  Subject: 4Runner Jamboree
 So who all signed up for the 4Runner Jamboree?  I'm curious how many
 people from this list are registered to attend.
 Also, I'm curious if any of you coming would be interested in helping me
 with photo coverage of the event.  Jenn, my girlfriend and passenger
 will be photographing the event, but I'd like to have another vehicle,
 somewhere else in the line also taking pics.  E-mail me directly if
 you're interested...the pics will be used in a trail report for the
 Toyota section at ORC...and maybe other places if we submitted the trail
 report to Toyota Trails, etc.
 Scott
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 _____
 /_/_|_\__       Scott Wilson TLCA #5261  CA4WDC #13393
 | _     _ :     88 4Runner SR5 V6
 */_\---/_\'     Santa Clara, CA
 (_)   (_)      http://www.off-road.com/~swilson
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 Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 10:51:13 PDT
 From: "Chris Hillman"  Subject: Re: A/C recharge in Sacramento, CA>...and to Chris Hillman who suggested I go to Mexico....I could
 probably pay>for a trip to Mexico with the amount of money I'd save in not buying it
 here!!!
 ...but think of all the multi-cultural fun you could have in mexico.
 Make a weekend of it, and swill down tequilla and some of those rat-dogs
 wrapped in bacon in Tijuanna!
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 Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 13:21:36 -0300
 From: Victor Pires  Subject: UMM WOES
 I have 2 double cab and 3 single cab Toyota Hi-Lux pickups [working
 model to your 4 runner type] one is an 85 2.4 diesel , the others are 87
 ,95 & 2 97's . I made the mistake of buying a UMM turbo diesel . After
 the warrantee expired the aluminum head became porous . The local agent
 replaced it after 8 weeks of @#$%@! . Then it broke a rod 10 days after
 their head job. I had to pay for that job . Now all 4 steering end ball
 joints need to be replaced  with 27 000 miles on the clock the agent
 says enough time for the parts to go  .One end broke 7 Mts. / under 1000
 miles ago. That end also has to be replaced . I just broke my first Toy
 end on the 85 which has driven the worst trails here in Guyana . It
 broke after completing a 540 mile run that the 4 x 4 trucks said that we
 could not make [we took 24 hr's ,they took 3 day's]. My real big @#$%@!
 is that UMM agent want's US $ 390 per end /$$$1560 for the 4 . A set of
 break pads is $285  .
 Dose any one know what steering system UMM uses . The axle
 looks like a Dana 44 . Any one in the EU/EEC can help me find a
 reasonable priced supplier of parts for the UMM.
 1997 double cab F & R   ARB"S . The diesel 6 inch lift
 33's mudders . All the others have 32's mud terrains. All work in the
 fields as I run an Agrochemical supply company here.
 Please help me @#%! the agent like he is @#%$! me .
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 Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 15:07:58 -0400
 From: roland  Subject: lack of power
 Ok,  I was really dissapointed in my truck today.  Drag raced a buddy
 with a stock 85 22r- 4x4 regular cab short bed and normal wimpy size
 tires but with 170k on it.  He made my truck look pretty sorry.   Now
 mine's a 90 V6 extended cab SR5 4x4 with about 90k on it.  However, it
 has 32's, which is only one size larger than stock.  Is that really what
 I should expect?  I have always thought that my truck was a little
 underpowerd, but its got 4.56's.  So what gives?  I've had the truck at
 the dealer and they say there's nothing wrong with it.  It does have a
 slight chatter, might be valves or ping- can't figure either.  Dealer
 changed timing from 13 to 10 degrees and said it would take care of it.
 I'm sick of dealing with the dealer cause either they find the problem
 and charge an arm and leg or they say there's nothing wrong.  I would
 like to have a little more power, but I can't afford to anything out of
 the catalogs,  So im looking for cheap fixes and something to cure the
 chatter-  Ive tried different gas.  Maybe a pcv valve or something.
 please e-mail me @ mailto:roland.h@bigfoot.com
 TIA
 Roland
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 Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 15:34:36 -0400
 From: "Myers, John"  Subject: bio
 Name:		John Myers
 City & State: 	Columbia MD 21044
 Country:	USA
 email:		jmyers@polkaudio.com
 Toyota:		1994 4x4 pu
 TLCA member:	N
 Age:		45
 Occupation:	Engineer
 Marital Status:	Married
 Hobbies:	Blues guitar, homebrewing, long-distance running, weight
 training
 I found you at:	http://www.hotbot.com, used "22re" as search string
 General Info:	I've done a custom speaker installation in my truck
 (duh, I work for Polk).  I want to install full instrumentation 'cause I
 hate idiot lights.  I'm also interested in performance enhancements.
 I'm here to learn.
 john
 John Myers				Polk Audio
 Mechanical and Industrial Design Manager	The Speaker Specialists
 mailto:jmyers@polkaudio.com			http://www.polkaudio.com
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 Date: Wed, 08 Jul 98 14:42:45 -0600
 From: bwiencek@kcnet.com
 Subject: Re: Tire Pressure
<>>checked the pressure.  37psi cold!>The tire monkey assured me this was correct so I left rather>confused.>>I've found that whenever I've had tires put on or repaired or whatever, the>tire store always puts them up to a similarly high pressure.
 How about this one - My father-in-law had a '88 chevy K-1500 - with the heavy
 duty suspension and tall skinny 16" tires (like 235/85-16's?), anyhow those
 tires were rated at 80 PSI, and the factory recommended like 65 PSI... well
 he's complaining of bad gas mileage one day, and I take a look at his truck,
 and find that the tires have been AIRED DOWN by the shop he goes to - 32 PSI,
 right on the mark, all 4 tires.... Well I aired them back up and WA-LA 6-8
 more MPG, like 200 additional miles on the 38 gal tank!  this happened like 4
 more times! - every time he got it serviced, they did him the "favor" of
 checking his tires... Same thing happened to me on my avalon - tires rated at
 45PSI, and I get approx. 400 miles to the tank, and then when they air them
 down to 32 PSI, I get about 300 miles to the tank.  Toyota recommends like 38
 PSI, so I wouldn't be quite as down on them if they followed the
 recommendations from the factory.>I think maybe>it's because they think people will forget to ever check their air
 Well in my opinion it's because they DONT think....
 - - Brian
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 Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 14:29:30 -0700
 From: "Jay Kopycinski"  Subject: Toy Parts For Sale
 Superwinch live axle manual locking hubs (new in box)   $50
 Live axle power steering box with pitman arm    $65
 Gear sets for 8 inch carriers (one axle set only)
 3.90       $35
 4.10       $30
 4.37       $35
 IFS 4Runner lift kit (rear only). This is a 4 inch Pro-Comp lift
 I bought from Chris Geiger. It includes the longer coils and all
 the brackets. It also includes a set of JKS shock mount adapters
 and longer Rancho RS9000 shocks. Chris bought these items
 to optimize the travel on this kit. Check out the pics of this
 kit in action to see the articulation results when he was
 running it. You will need to buy a longer rear brake line.
 I ended up not using the kit because we decided not to lift
 our 4Runner further.      $200 for everything
 Prices plus shipping to you.
 Jay Kopycinski    '85 Toylet  (ROKTOY)
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 Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 17:51:51 -0400
 From: Ed.Wong@astramerck.com
 Subject: Dreaming....
 I know what I want...
 (but in 4WD)
 http://www.donahoeracing.com/racepages/crazy_4runner.htm
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 Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 13:44:45 -0700
 From: Scott Muir  Subject: Wiper Fluid Motor
 Mike Scarff wrote:>after finding my 86 toy in a puddle>of wiper fluid I deducted that the fluid>motor on the tank was cracked.>I plan on going to the yard and getting>another on but I was wondering how widespread>they are. Is the same motor used in toy cars?>or in diff year trucks? If anybody could advise>it would save my a lot of hassle>Thanks>MIKE
 Been there, done that.  Think +/- 2 years you're looking at the exact
 same pump but the connectors are different.
 S.
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 Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 16:55:04 EDT
 From: DRM033@aol.com
 Subject: Re: lack of power
 In a message dated 98-07-08 15:09:10 EDT, you write:>   So im looking for cheap fixes and something to cure the>  chatter-  Ive tried different gas.  Maybe a pcv valve or something.> I would recommend some basic options like changing the plugs (Nippondenzo's
 are best in my book) and other basic tune-up items.  You may want to look into
 a better exhaust system.  Most local shops should be able to do you a complete
 exhaust for around $200.  I would say that is $200 well spent.  Another option
 is a K&N air filter, but those get mixed reviews (works for me - better top
 end).
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 TLCA #5662
 Traxx In Motion 4 Wheel Drive Club
 http://www.Tennessee4X4.com/traxx
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 Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 13:53:45 -0700
 From: "jskaggs"  Subject: Re: 4Runner Jamboree
 I'll be there with camera in hand.  Which way are you going down Scott?
 John Skaggs
 TLCA# 5560
 thunder90@msn.com
 Visalia, CA
 85 4Runner>So who all signed up for the 4Runner Jamboree?  I'm curious how many>people from this list are registered to attend.>>Also, I'm curious if any of you coming would be interested in helping me>with photo coverage of the event.  Jenn, my girlfriend and passenger>will be photographing the event, but I'd like to have another vehicle,>somewhere else in the line also taking pics.  E-mail me directly if>you're interested...the pics will be used in a trail report for the>Toyota section at ORC...and maybe other places if we submitted the trail>report to Toyota Trails, etc.>>Scott>-->     _____>    /_/_|_\__       Scott Wilson TLCA #5261  CA4WDC #13393>    | _     _ :     88 4Runner SR5 V6>    */_\---/_\'     Santa Clara, CA>     (_)   (_)      http://www.off-road.com/~swilson>L~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~>>===========================================================================
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 Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 15:16:52 -0700 (PDT)
 From: TrailDogg@webtv.net (~Trail Dogg~)
 Subject: Re: Tire Pressure
 the psi # on the side of the tire is the max.!,if you are carrying a
 load or trailer ect.
 DARREN SINKEY
 TRAILDOGG@WEBTV.NET
 1982 TOYOTA 4X4 LONGBED
 7"@33"
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 Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 15:23:32 -0700 (PDT)
 From: TrailDogg@webtv.net (~Trail Dogg~)
 Subject: Re: bio
 get a SR-5 insturment cluster,junk yard or someone parting out a
 truck,you will need the oil sending unit for the gauge, it`s different
 from the idiot light.
 i bought a wrecked truck for parts and sold what i did`nt need to
 pay for it.
 DARREN SINKEY
 TRAILDOGG@WEBTV.NET
 1982 TOYOTA 4X4 LONGBED
 7"@33"
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 Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 13:12:36 -0700
 From: "Gibson, Greg/EXEUG3"  Subject: RE: trannie
 I'm not sure if this will help your specific problem, but I just
 switched
 to Redline MT-90 synthetic tranny fluid.  I love it, totally cleaned up
 my notchy second gear problem.
 Greg Gibson> ----------> From: 	DEREK CAPUTI[SMTP:muddyclutch@yahoo.com]> Reply To: 	toy4x4@tlca.org> Sent: 	Wednesday, July 08, 1998 6:34 AM> To: 	Toy4x4@tlca.org> Subject: 	trannie>>> Hey all,>   I finally got my gears in and broken in 500 miles ago and over the> last few weeks Ive noticed that I have plenty of power and maintained> 65 on the highway no problem but on a trip to the beach last weekend,> (300miles) but it seems like some times the power just dissapears and> I will slow down to 55 even on flat surfaces? Also some days the gear> shift will be almost hot to the touch but most of the time it is cool.> Is there some way I can cool down my manual transmission?, or is this> a sign of another problem?> Thanks in advance!>>> ==> 87 4Runner 10"lift 38x14.5 TSLSX's on black steel rims> freeflow exaust   Hi6 ignition   5.29Gears> Now can you smell that clutch?> MY 4 RUNNER WEBSITE@> http://members.tripod.com/~muddyclutch> visit The Edge OffRoad Clubs Page@> http://www.geocities.com/~muddyclutch> _________________________________________________________> DO YOU YAHOO!?> Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com>>> ======================================================================> ======> Toyota 4x4 page: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota> ============================================================================
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