Toyota 4x4 digest:        Friday, June 19 1998        Volume 01 : Number 896
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 Re: Toyota 1982 4x4 p/u
 Re: Toyota 1982 4x4 p/u
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 Re: Toyota 1982 4x4 p/u
 22RE header?
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 Re: 22RE header?
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 Reference Photos
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 Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 12:28:49 -0700
 From: David Fritzsche  Subject: Superlift springs
 "Because my original springs are old, I ordered some Superlift leafs for
 the rear. My thinking is that original Toyota springs,"
 Take your superlift springs apart and remove the overload leaf, Take
 your stock springs apart and take the overload leaf on to the superlift
 springs. This will soften the ride. Do not run the Superlift springs
 without an over load leaf or the main leafs of your springs will take on
 some weird shapes and turn your wheeler into a low-rider. I am speaking
 from experience-one set of 4" NWOR springs that are S-shaped-need to
 take them and see if I can get them straightened and re-arched.
 David Fritzsche, 1990 V-6 ex-cab, Pro-Comp II Lift, Rancho 9000 Shocks,
 Marlin Gear Change, 4:88 Gears, Tru-Trak Front, ARB rear, 33"
 BFG-MT's,Warn8000, Custom Rear Bumper, Winch Mount, Re-Worked
 Smitty-Built Nerf Bars, CB Mount, Skid Plates all designed and built by
 owner (Man! I hope they don't fall off)
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 Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 13:04:01 -0700
 From: "jskaggs"  Subject: Re: Parts
 David,
 I have a tailgate for sale.  Let me know if you need more info.
 John Skaggs
 TLCA# 5560
 thunder90@msn.com
 Visalia, CA
 85 4Runner> I need some parts for my 87 4runner and some freinds gave me their lists:>       a tailgate>      I am in Sacramento CA>                     David Gibbs>> ============================================================================
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 Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 16:07:28 -0700
 From: "Jonathan"  Subject: New Toyota truck bed?
 I was just wondering if anyone knows were I could buy a new bed for my 83
 Toyota pickup?
 Thanks
 Jonathan Heddleston
 Heddleston@msn.com
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 Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 14:50:42 -0700
 From: "Todd and Terry Steele"  Subject: Re: Superlift springs
 David Fritzsche wrote:>Take your superlift springs apart and remove the overload leaf,
 There isn't an overload spring in the Superlift spring pack.  At least not
 on my 87 pickup.
 Todd
 His:  87 Toyota 4X4, Marlin Tcase #180, EZ Lockers F/R, Warn MX8000, Custom
 rear bumper and nerfs, Ramsey F bumper, Trailmaster/Superlift 4", 33-9.5 BFG
 MT's.  Custom Body by Sierra Nevada.
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 Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 18:14:35 -0500 (US Eastern Standard Time)
 From: "Ebersold, Chance J"  Subject: Re: Parts
 I have a starter from an 87 22-re for sale. And when you
 say those rear plastic pieces do you mean the ends or the
 long plastic pieces that run from the wheel to the bumper
 or both.  I have the long ones but not the actual ends if
 you want those as well. e-mail me directly if you want any
 of this stuff.
 On Sat, 13 Jun 1998 23:56:26 -0700 David Gibbs
 wrote:>  I need some parts for my 87 4runner and some freinds gave me their lists:>        inexpensive stock offset rims>        235/75r15s>        those rear plastic peices that go from fender to bumper>        a posi or lsd>        drivers side door w/ wing window>        a 5 speed trans>        a starter>        a tailgate>        a soft top>  I am selling:>        4.88s and axles from a 92 4x4 (drum to drum rear, cv flange to cv flange front) these will work> with or without abs>       I am in Sacramento CA>                      David Gibbs>>> ============================================================================> Toyota 4x4 page: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota
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 Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 15:45:55 -0700
 From: Cabildo Brian B  Subject: Bio Info on new member
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 Personal Bio Info
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 Name: Brian Cabildo
 City & State: Irvine, CA
 Country: America
 E-mail address: brian@sentryvideo.com
 Toyota (s) year & model: 94 Toyota 4-runner
 Are you a TLCA Member (Y/N/Number?): No
 Age: 23
 Occupation: Systems Analyst
 Marital Status: Single
 Hobbies: Music, Computers, & Trucks
 How did you find out about the Toyota 4x4 Mailing List: off-road.com
 General info about your vehicle, self, etc.:
 Just trying to find out the best way to fix up my truck.  It's pretty
 much stock right now, besides the stereo.
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 Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 15:59:02 -0700 (MST)
 From: Paul Nathanael Henry  Subject: 14" Pre-run
 Does anyone with the WCOR 14" travel kit use it for pre-running?
 I'm not going to use the truck for slow stuff (thats what the '85 is for)
 and want to know how it handles.  You can mail me directly if you prefer.
 Thanks
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 Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 19:13:53 -0700
 From: robert bascom  Subject: GWNF trip
 Hi all,
 A couple of us from northern Virginia will be heading down to
 George Washington Natn'l Forest on the 27-28th. If anyone is interested
 in joining us drop me a line.
 Ryan Bascom
 bascom@erols.com
 '87 4runner
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 Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 17:51:49 -0600
 From: rkohutek  Subject: Re: Toyota 1982 4x4 p/u>>Sounds to me like you've got an aftermarket tube grill. Couldn't tell you>>exactly what the OEM grill is supposed to look like, but that isn't it.
 Well, that's reassuring. Anyone have an idea where I could order an 82 grill?I thinking for not a lot of $$$.> Without changing out the trans, you're pretty much limited to a V-6. There> are kits and parts for swapping either a Chevrolet 4.3 liter or a Buick 3.8> liter V-6 into your 'Yota ... . so I would not recommend the V-8 option.> LC Engineering, Downey, and others offer just about everything you could> want                                                               (cams, headers, hi-perf heads, carbs, etc.) to beef up the factory> 4-cylinder.                                                                         It really depends on how much you are willing to> spend. Upgrades to the original                                                                    motor will  cost less than any swap> and can be done in stages if desired.
 Well, swapping out engines isn't exactly *fun* in my book; guess I'll have to stick with your suggestion to build the engine up slowly
 i.e. as more money comes in =)> Yeah, there are a few of us here in CO. I'm in the Denver area myself,> Scott Ellinger is up in Ft. Collins (both of us have done V-8 swaps), Dave> Schoenberg in Arvada, and Jeffery Zicko down in the Springs come to mind.> There are others that I have seen here as well.
 At least I know there are other nifty 4x4ing colorado-ns around!
 Thanks,
 Randal Kohutek - rkohutek@codenet.net
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 Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 17:43:32 -0600
 From: "David Eggleston"  Subject: Re: Toyota 1982 4x4 p/u>> Yeah, there are a few of us here in CO. I'm in the Denver area myself,>> Scott Ellinger is up in Ft. Collins (both of us have done V-8 swaps),
 Dave>> Schoenberg in Arvada, and Jeffery Zicko down in the Springs come to
 mind.>> There are others that I have seen here as well.>> At least I know there are other nifty 4x4ing colorado-ns around!> Thanks,> Randal Kohutek - rkohutek@codenet.net>>> ============================================================================> Toyota 4x4 page: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota
 Where 'bouts are you located?
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 Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 17:42:41 -0600
 From: "David Eggleston"  Subject: Re: '84 Frt Axle w/35" tire
 - ----------> From: Walter Stolar > To: Toyota 4x4 digest: > Subject: '84 Frt Axle w/35" tire> Date: Wednesday, 17 June, 1998 14:59 PM>>> I wish to run 12.5-35 Mud T/A or even a 35" Bogger on my project vehicle> which has a Buick 231 engine.>> I'm looking for opinions or experience on how well the Toyota solid axle> holds up to such a engine and tire size combination.> What's the biggest I can go if not with 35"?>> Mostly mud and forest trail driving - no rock crawling in my area.>> Thanks - Walter in MN>>> ============================================================================> Toyota 4x4 page: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota
 On my '84, I've got just under 400hp worth of supercharged V-8 turning 38s
 with the stock axles front and rear. I have had no problems yet with the
 front axle, but the rear has gone through a set of ring and pinion gears
 and this happened pulling out into traffic on paved road. Most of my
 wheeling is also in mud, dirt trails, and mud (I LIKE mud :-)) and the
 stock front axle has performed well so far. I do believe though that I am
 living on borrowed time so to speak and am always looking for an upgrade
 especially in the rear.
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 David Eggleston
 toy283@mho.net
 That which doesn't kill me makes me stronger.
 -Friedrich Nietzche
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 Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 12:56:15 +1200
 From: Stuart Clarke  Subject: Re: Heavy Duty Torsion Bars
 Thanks for that James, I'm doing a bit of investigation into 2.8 diesels
 at the moment it seems that although they are almost double the price of
 a 2.4td everyone recommends them as the better option.  What sort of
 dollars would you expect to pay for them in OZ??  If they are
 significantly cheaper I might see about getting one imported.
 Just been speaking to one of the ARB agents over here and he hasn't
 heard of the torsion bar replacement but is going to Fax ARB Australia
 and see if he can get some info out of them...  (the saga continues)
 I've also ordered a catalogue from NWOR off their web-site so hopefully
 that will turn up soon..
 I'll keep you posted..
 Stu Clarke> Stu Clarke> Prototype Technician> ---------------------------------------------------------------------> Swichtec Power Systems Limited> 39 Princess St, PO Box 11-188, Christchurch 8030, New Zealand> Phone: (++64) 3 343-3314,  Fax: (++64) 348-8871> Mobile: 025 338-027> Email: sclarke@swichtec.co.nz> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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 Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 18:45:53 -0700
 From: Scott Wilson  Subject: More pictures...
 I finally got the pics up from the June 30th trip to Pismo.....
 Check 'em out when you've got time.
 Scott
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 Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 18:55:09 -0700
 From: corey  Subject: Re: Returned mail: Host unknown (Name server: tlca.com: host not found)
 Mail Delivery Subsystem wrote:>> The original message was received at Thu, 18 Jun 1998 12:46:58 -0700 (PDT)> from linex.com [206.54.38.10]>>    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----> >>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----> 550 ... Host unknown (Name server: tlca.com: host not found)>>     ---------------------------------------------------------------> Reporting-MTA: dns; relay.linex.net> Received-From-MTA: DNS; linex.com> Arrival-Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 12:46:58 -0700 (PDT)>> Final-Recipient: RFC822; toy4x4@tlca.com> Action: failed> Status: 5.1.2> Remote-MTA: DNS; tlca.com> Last-Attempt-Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 12:46:59 -0700 (PDT)>>     --------------------------------------------------------------->> Subject: rear NWOR springs> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 12:47:22 -0700> From: corey > To: toy4x4@tlca.com>> how can I soften NWOR rear springs w/out getting crazy?anyone delete a> spring or...I carry bout 250 #'s around,more when wheelin,dont want to> sag,but presently very little wheel travel.Front maxes out fine...Thanks> for any ideas-cmewheel@linex.com
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 Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 18:58:59 -0700
 From: corey  Subject: TIRODHELP
 HELP!!!!I JUST CJHANGED MY TIE ROD AND THE ALIGNMENT SHOP SAID IT WAS
 BENT!WHAT YEARS WORK ON AN82?THE ONE I GOT FROM A JUNK YARD WAS OFF A
 ROUND HEADLIGHT YEAR-IS IT JUST TOO LONG??I WANT MY FREAKIN TRUCK
 BACK-IT TOOK TWO WEEKS JUST TO DO R/P'S AND A
 ARB!HELP!!!cmewheel@linex.com
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 Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 20:25:12 +0000
 From: "trinity"  Subject: Bio
 Name:  Shaun Anderson
 City & State: Colorado Springs, Colorado
 Country:USA
 E-mail address:trinity@codenet.net
 Toyota (s) year & model:  1988 4Runner V6 SR5
 Are you a TLCA Member (Y/N/Number?):  N
 Age:  26
 Occupation:  Director of Activities (Nursing Home)
 Marital Status:  M
 Hobbies:  Music ( both listening and playing), woodworking, mountain
 biking,  target shooting.
 How did you find out about the Toyota 4x4 Mailing List:  Lucky
 accident!
 General info about your vehicle, self, etc.:  88 4Runner, V6, SR5
 very mildly modified with K&N filter, Jacobs Omni Mag Ignition and
 Wires, RapidFire Spark Plugs, 31x10.50 Michelins.  Everything else is
 stock and well maintained.  I just did brakes all around including
 new rotors and rebuilt calipers and replaced inner and outer front CV
 Boots.  I do all the maintenance myself and as many of the larger
 jobs as I have tools to handle.   I have a 3500lb winch but still no
 winch bumper (still collecting research on which winch bumper is
 best, thinking about the smitty double tube w/hoop).
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 Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 20:41:23 +0000
 From: "trinity"  Subject: Question
 This is my first question to the digest.  I humbly ask for your
 patience as I am new not only to the digest but to the net itself.
 (What did this one just crawl out from a cave you ask?, ... , no just
 finished University, ... , that should explain it!)  If my net
 etiquette is off, just let me know and I'll correct it pronto.  My
 question:  I have an 88 4Runner V6 with a leaky oil pan gasket.  The
 area of the leak is at the very back of the pan in front of the
 bellhousing on the auto tranny.  My problem is this...there is some
 sort of metal  shield sandwiched between the engine and tranny
 that makes getting clearance to the back bolts of the oil pan
 impossible.  I called some shops and was told that to replace
 the oil pan gasket would cost around 200 or more dollars, I was given
 the explanation that the gasket is actually "made" by the mechanic
 with a special Toyota approved substance.  Also, that with my auto
 tranny, the tranny mounts would have to be loosened to get clearance
 and to be able to drop the oil pan.  The strange thing is that the
 auto parts stores supposedly sell the exact gasket I need for $14.
 Can anyone of you knowledgeable people help me with this???
 From: trinity@codenet.net
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 Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 20:02:30 -0700
 From: "Todd and Terry Steele"  Subject: Re: More pictures...
 Scott wrote:>I finally got the pics up from the June 30th trip to Pismo.....>Check 'em out when you've got time.
 Oh seer of all things in the future, what will the weather be like on the
 Rubicon on 30June 1998  :<)
 LOL
 Todd
 His:  87 Toyota 4X4, Marlin Tcase #180, EZ Lockers F/R, Warn MX8000, Custom
 rear bumper and nerfs, Ramsey F bumper, Trailmaster/Superlift 4", 33-9.5 BFG
 MT's.  Custom Body by Sierra Nevada.
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 Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 23:01:41 EDT
 From: daves8@juno.com
 Subject: Re: Toyota 1982 4x4 p/u
 OK,I'll bite>>>>> All you Colorado guys (and maybe Utah, Wyoming, Kansas,
 etc.)  E-mail me your location and I'll put a list of locals together.
 I'm tired of hearing about all the trips around SoCal--maybe we can get
 some going here.  (Put the phrase "Local List" in the subject line-- I'm
 on realtime mode and this will let me pick them right out.)
 Remember, ANYBODY can drive at sea level.
 Dave Schoenberg, Arvada, Colorado-----Who else gives advice like this???
 '81 Toy/'86 EFI engine/5-spd/xfer--an' I did it all myself, with NO
 Liquid Nails!!
 Brakes and heater both work exceedingly well, thank you.
 Thank You for subscribing to "Dave's Automotively Mechanical Humor Line".
 DaveS8@Juno.com
 On Thu, 18 Jun 1998 17:43:32 -0600 "David Eggleston"  writes:>>>>Yeah, there are a few of us here in CO. I'm in the Denver area
 myself, Scott Ellinger is up in Ft. Collins (both of us have done V-8
 swaps), Dave Schoenberg in Arvada, and Jeffery Zicko down in the Springs
 come to mind. There are others that I have seen here as well.<<< Subject: Looking at used 86
 I m looking at an 84 or 86 4cylinder 4X4.  What are the engine options?
 Any problem areas?
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 Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 22:12:48 -0500 (CDT)
 From: r.fox@ix.netcom.com
 Subject: More Pictures
 Subject: More pictures...
 I finally got the pics up from the June 30th trip to Pismo.....
 Check 'em out when you've got time.
 Scott
 Hey Scott do you drive a 4 runner or time machine?
 Rich Fox
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 Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 22:57:22 -0500 (CDT)
 From: pelland@ix.netcom.com
 Subject: Places to Wheel in East PA
 I just moved from Texas to Pennsylvania and I need to find some Trails. I
 will soon be in 4X withdrawel. I am living and working about 25 miles north
 of Philly.
 I am looking for a club or individuals to show me around, If you can help
 please write back.
 Thanks
 Mike Pelland
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 Mountain Goat			1994 Toy P/U
 33 BFG M/T 				Locked F & R		Ramsey Winch
 On- Board Air			Jacobs Omni Pack		K&N
 and a whole lot more, including Custom Body work by Mother Nature.
 www2.netcom.com/~pelland/mptruck.html
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 Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 00:40:12 -0400
 From: James J Williams  Subject: a little more dateline
 Karl, you are corrrect.  I went back to the site and checked their
 measure and it is in units per million registered vehicles.  Thus,
 simply adding the numbers does not yield the correct result until you
 divide by the number of vehicle classes that were added.  Another thing
 I kind of glazed over the first time was that the measure was
 fatalities, not actual roll-over events.  I think a clearer picture
 could be ascertained if they reported how many actual roll-overs there
 were per million vehicles and how many fatalities per million vehicles.
 Are there numerous small car rollovers, but they don't always cause
 fatalities??  Does every utility rollover lead to a fatality??  How many
 of the deceased -- in each vehicle category-- were unbelted during the
 crash?  Could it be that the pick-ups and utility vehicles were carrying
 more people during the crashes??
 I feel the need to defend my vehicle against the insurance companies and
 the government, but 4x4's are not for everybody.  The truth is that
 4x4's are not cars and they behave differently.  If you don't realize
 that you should not own one.  The problem is that people have purchased
 these vehicles without understanding how to drive them and what they
 were designed for.  If you don't use it for what it's made for then you
 have wasted your money!  (Do you buy a chevette to go fast, or an acura
 NSX to cart the family to grandma's house?  Then why buy a 4x4 and never
 leave the pavement???)  I fear that the manufacturers will cave to this
 scare and make the new trucks even MORE like cars.  I'd much rather see
 the masses scared away from these "killers" and buy something else.
 That way maybe the manufacturers will not change designs.   Let a truck
 continue to be built like a truck, used like a truck by people who know
 the difference between a car and a truck.
 It seems that we are all saying the same thing:  make something else
 for the unaware, pavement-going public if they don't know how to drive.
 Leave our trucks alone!
 Jim Williams
 Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 23:47:33 -0400 (EDT)
 From: "Karl D. Bellve"  Subject: Re: Dateline...
 On Wed, 17 Jun 1998, James J Williams wrote:> Excellent point, John.  This thought should be forwarded to to
 Dateline!>> Jim Williams> 97 4Runner>>> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 20:19:53 -0700> From: "jskaggs" > Subject: Re: Dateline>> Isn't it interesting that in their statistic chart of numbers that the> cars> were divided up into small, medium, and large categories but the SUV's> were> in one category no small medium or large.  I just love how they always> report in ways that support their beliefs.  If you add up the cars in> the> different categories you come up with 94 car rollovers compared to 98> for> the SUV's.  (Insert sarcasm) It's just a terrible thing that all of
 I have to correct this. Each catagory is per million vehicles registered
 of that type. For example, SUV would have 98 roll overs/million
 registered. If you add the others up, it would be something like 94 roll
 overs/7 million registered. I don't remember how many non-SUV catagories
 there were. I just used 7 to make the example.
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 Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 21:43:42 -0700
 From: "jskaggs"  Subject: Re: 22RE header?
 I like the L.C. Engineering Header that I have.  It is ceramic coated,
 silver in color it fits good and it has an 02 sensor mount.  It also gets
 compliments when it is seen by others.  I can't tell you if there was any
 performance gains with it because I changed out the whole motor the same
 time I installed the header.
 John Skaggs
 TLCA# 5560
 thunder90@msn.com
 Visalia, CA
 85 4Runner>OK, 3rd time I have blown the 3 week old new Y pipe in half - I am tired of>this.  A header can't possibly be this much of a problem, so one will go on>ASAP.  Does anyone have a recommendation for a good header besides Downey &>NWOR?  Does Anyone else make one for the 22RE?>>thanks>>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
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 Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 21:54:35 -0700
 From: Scott Wilson  Subject: Re: More pictures...
 Todd and Terry Steele wrote:>> Scott wrote:>>>I finally got the pics up from the June 30th trip to Pismo.....>>Check 'em out when you've got time.>> Oh seer of all things in the future, what will the weather be like on the> Rubicon on 30June 1998  :<)>> LOL
 Ummmmm.....OOOPS!  :-)   Boy y'all are a great bunch of proof readers!
 LOL
 thanks, I fixed it
 Scott
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 Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 23:11:30 -0600
 From: "Woody's Little Print Shop"  Subject: Reference Photos
 Paul wrote,> What I'm asking the group for, are photos of "Stock" Toys from
 1979-current. These photos will need to conform to some standard for
 consistency reasons. My thought is for people who are willing to help
 me; buy a Kodak instant camera and use a distance and height(to be
 determined) for front, left, right, back, and top views. This will
 help in morphing a wireframe drawing and the actual vehicle. The
 vehicle will be at full scale and 3 dimensional.
 I'd be glad to help. I have a stock 94 xcab I can take photos of. The
 torsions were cranked a tad to support the winch is the only mod.
 Woody in Wyoming
 woodys@trib.com
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 Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 00:31:21 -0500
 From: Robert Stein  Subject: Msg to Dateline
 This is a copy of what I sent to Dateline ,,,,,,,Do ya figure I was WAY
 to easy on them ?   ;)
 Robert
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 Subject:
 SUV's
 Date:
 Sun, 14 Jun 1998 04:07:45 -0500
 From:
 Robert Stein  Organization:
 Tonka-Toy-ota's
 To:
 Dateline@MSNBC.com
 Allthough my heart goes out to Mrs. O'Neal's loss of her husband, I was
 SHOCKED and appalled at your one sided story on SUV safty !! All you
 could do was trash them as "UNSAFE" but NEVER did you find any of the
 THOUSANDS of SUV owners that use these vehicles for what they were
 intended to be used for! It seems that SUV's are the LATEST "Yuppie"
 craze and it seems from your story that NONE of these yuppie's have the
 slightest idea of how to either drive or handle one correctly ! I'll
 tell you , as the owner of a lifted <4" OVER stock w/ 33" tires> Ford
 F150 AND a RADICALLY lifted Toyota <14 " of lift w/33" tires> I have
 driven both vehicles VERY hard AND off-road and, to date, NEVER had one
 even attempt to roll on me ! It seems that IF you are going to do a
 story on these you would present BOTH sides and for GODS sake ,,,,,QUIT
 blaming a NON THINKING object for the reckless behavior of the so called
 "THINKING" operator !!!!
 It would take no time at all for your staff, via the internet, to
 coontact RESPONSIBLE operators of SUV's and get the other side of the
 story. As far as Toyota's go, try TLCA.com or the Toyota section at
 off-road.com. These are GREAT people and I'm sure they'd give you more
 than enough info to write a responsible story......
 Instead of MORE GOV regulations, of which we have more than enough
 now, try going after the DEALERS that need to recommend training for
 owners of SUV's .
 Once again, NBC has shown it's LIBERAL stance and blames the
 inanimate object for the crime. I'll bet you people blame GUNS for
 killing people, don't you? Just remember, it takes a person to hold,
 aim, and FIRE a gun, it CAN'T do it ALL by itself !!!! Same thing goes
 for SUV's,,,,,If they are operated right and with alittle common sense,
 they are as safe or SAFER than ANY standard vehicle on the road today...
 I know you'll probably NEVER print any of this, but atleast you MIGHT
 attempt a responsible story NEXT time you find a subject of interest.
 Robert Stein
 Lawton, Okla
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 TLCA MEMBER# 7321   rrbbs@juno.com              STOCK 22R-E Motor
 Lawton,Okla     rjstein@wolverine.cameron.edu   12+" Lift<2"body> http://www.lawtonok.net/rjstein/toyota.html    33x14.50x15 Mickey's
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 Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 12:24:00 -0400
 From: "Doty, James B."  Subject: bio info
 Name:			James B. Doty
 City & State:		Yekaterinburg, Sverdlovsk Oblast
 Country:			Russia
 E-mail:			dotyj@yekatwpoa.us-state.gov
 Toyota:			1997 Toyota RAV 4 - 4 door (US model)
 TLCA member:		No
 Age:			27
 Occupation:		US government
 Marital Status:		single
 Hobbies:
 I learned about the Toyota 4x4 mailing list by
 searching for Toyota-related sites on the WWW.
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 Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 07:44:48 -0400
 From: Chris Knight  Subject: Exhaust Bolts/Studs
 On a F.I. 22rec I need to know how many bolts or studs there are. I
 called the dealership and the parts guy showed a listing for 3 different
 types. Could someone let me know what is the factory position of the
 studs/bolts and how many of each.
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 Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 08:12:06 EDT
 From: DRM033@aol.com
 Subject: Re: 22RE header?
 In a message dated 98-06-19 00:51:58 EDT, you write:> I like the L.C. Engineering Header that I have.  It is ceramic coated,>  silver in color it fits good and it has an 02 sensor mount.  It also gets>  compliments when it is seen by others.  I can't tell you if there was any>  performance gains with it because I changed out the whole motor the same>  time I installed the header.> Where is the O2 mount on it?  Mine is down right in front of the cat.  ANyway,
 what is the # for LC Engineering?  I might as well start getting prices.
 By the way, I was on the interstate doing about 90 when the Y pipe removed
 itself.  You know, for a second there, I wondered where all that power came
 from...  :)
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 TLCA #5662
 Traxx In Motion 4 Wheel Drive Club
 http://www.Tennessee4X4.com/traxx
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 Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 06:15:53 -0700
 From: "Brandon Miller"  Subject: Re: TIRODHELP
 who cares if it is bent, tell them to align it anyway - they just want you
 to buy one.  That is what they told me and I said "so, can you align it"  I
 caught him by surprise but he did it and I am happy...
 If you want remove it and beat it as straight as you can if it is real bad,
 but I guarantee it is going to bend again so don't buy a new one...
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 Sacramento CA
 email - miller@csus.edu
 home page - http://gaia.ecs.csus.edu/~millerb
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 From: corey  To: toy4x4@tlca.org  Date: Thursday, June 18, 1998 7:08 PM
 Subject: TIRODHELP>HELP!!!!I JUST CJHANGED MY TIE ROD AND THE ALIGNMENT SHOP SAID IT WAS>BENT!WHAT YEARS WORK ON AN82?THE ONE I GOT FROM A JUNK YARD WAS OFF A>ROUND HEADLIGHT YEAR-IS IT JUST TOO LONG??I WANT MY FREAKIN TRUCK>BACK-IT TOOK TWO WEEKS JUST TO DO R/P'S AND A>ARB!HELP!!!cmewheel@linex.com>>===========================================================================
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 Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 09:29:11 -0400
 From: Ed.Wong@astramerck.com
 Subject: Reference photos
 Paul:
 This may be easier and cheaper...
 The shop manuals have FULL dimenstions - at least on the engineering hard points.
 This means Body mounts to body mounts - diagonals through the cab etc...
 Id be gald to fax/mail copies of the relevent pages...
 EWong
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 Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 07:03:12 PDT
 From: "Mitch Housh"  Subject: Re: Rough rider
 "Brandon Miller"  WROTE:
 Subject: Re: Rough rider
 Brandon, I have a 1984 Toy 4X4 X-cab with a 22R and it ran fine at idle
 but lost almost all power when trying to drive and get up to speed on
 the road. There was a clanking and rattling in my catylitic converter so
 I separated the exaust behind the converter. When I looked inside from
 the rear I found that the inside of the converter self destructed into
 large peices. Since they dont check emissions here to close i broke up
 all of the chunks and cleared the converter out untill I can replace it.
 Now the truck runs fine and power again.
 I know muffler shops check to see if the converter is fine by blowing a
 hole in the exaust right before the converter but I didn't feel like
 breaking out my torch. This might not solve your power problem but it
 sure fixed mine!
 Mitch Housh  1984 Toyota X-Cab 4X4  22R/5Spd.  Stock
 Yukon,OK
 Hey Brandon did you try plugging up the brake booster and seeing if it
 idles better?yep, didn't help>Have you had the timing chain off for any reason lately? A long time
 ago I
 ran my motor>with the timing set back one tooth got it to run okay but
 no power.
 At zero the little dot on the sprocket is right at the top, it is not
 perfectly on the top but if it were to move one link either way it would
 be
 further off..> The timing will show correctly as long as you put the dist in there
 right.
 I'd say a compression would>tell you more,
 Compression was 160 and the timing is at factory, 5degrees>also be careful not to lean out the mixture on the weber too much it
 will
 burn it up good.>With the>weber, cam and headers my truck really
 stinks
 bad at idle (I have it a bit rich) but at speed it>burns>nice and
 clean.
 Thanks for the tip, hope it doesn't get ruined with all this messing
 with
 the engine running as bad as it is ;(>>Good luck..>>Sheldon>>>>===========================================================
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 Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 10:46:18 -0400
 From: "Dr. Karl Bellve"  Subject: Re: 22RE header?
 DRM033@aol.com wrote:>> OK, 3rd time I have blown the 3 week old new Y pipe in half - I am tired of> this.  A header can't possibly be this much of a problem, so one will go on> ASAP.  Does anyone have a recommendation for a good header besides Downey &> NWOR?  Does Anyone else make one for the 22RE?>> thanks> I think Pace makes a ceramic coated header for the 22RE motor. Check a
 J.C. Whitney catalog.
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 Karl Bellve, Ph.D.                   ICQ# 13956200
 Biomedical Imaging Group               IM: kbellve
 University of Massachusetts
 Email: kdb@molmed.ummed.edu
 Phone: (508) 856-6514
 Fax:   (508) 856-1840
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 Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 08:32:06 -0700
 From: Barney McNamara  Subject: MOTOR REBUILD
 Michael wrote:>This is my first time actually writing and asking a question so I hope this>works.
 It came thru loud and clear.>I need>a total rebuild. I just got done pulling out the block tonight and was>wondering if>someone could give me some advice as to what to get done.>So am I getting a good deal or screwed?>Also what should I make sure to have them that I might not of mentioned?>And what else should I look into having done while the engine is out?
 Answers to many of those questions can be found in the 22R rebuild
 thread on my web pages. You may want to check out:
 http://www.scruz.net/~barneym/toy_root/techtalk/engine/22r_rbld.htm
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 Barney McNamara              JENNY - 83 Toyota Short Bed
 ( barney@flowpoint.com )     stock 22R motor ; 3" body lift
 Santa Cruz, Ca.              8" alloy rims; 31" BFG A/Ts
 homepage: http://www.scruz.net/~barneym/barnhome.htm
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 Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 11:26:05 -0400
 From: adickenson@kpmg.com
 Subject: Re: a little more dateline>I'd much rather see the masses scared away from these "killers" and>buy something else.  That way maybe the manufacturers will not change>designs.
 I agree with pretty much everything you said.  However, unfortunately
 if the masses shy away from SUV's, you can bet your ass the
 manufacturers WILL change designs.  On the upside, at least there
 should be some cheap used trucks out there that have never been
 'wheeled.  :)
 Allen
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 Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 11:52:31 EDT
 From: DRM033@aol.com
 Subject: Re: 22RE header?
 In a message dated 98-06-19 10:44:57 EDT, you write:>>  I think Pace makes a ceramic coated header for the 22RE motor. Check a>  J.C. Whitney catalog.> I have it in front of me, but they are kinda screwy on the listing for my year
 & engine.
 here is what they list
 84-89 2 & 4wd w/ 5 speed   2.2L, 2.4L, FI/ 20R, 22R, 22RE, 22REC ($219)
 89-95 2 & 4wd 2.2L, 2.4L, 20R, 22R  ($229)
 84-89 2 & 4wd 2.2L, 2.4L, FI/ 20R, 22R, 22RE, 22REC   ($219)
 Hmmm... I have a 90 truck (production date 8/89 I beleive according to the
 door plate) They list the 89+ but do not include the 22RE in there.  Was there
 a difference in these years?  I thought the 22RE's were all the same?  Anybody
 know how to clear this up?  Is this just a case of the ad writers not knowing
 what they were talking about?
 thanks
 David
 DRM033@aol.com
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