Toyota 4x4 digest:        Friday, May 29 1998        Volume 01 : Number 877
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 Re: One-piece driveshafts
 Re: Temperature warble
 Re: warn 12000
 Re: IRS was: Leaf spring alt.
 Re: Rubicon
 Temp gauge
 Re: IRS was: Leaf spring alt.
 Re: Rubicon
 Re: truck armor
 Toy List Rubicon Run... Doh! (?)
 RE: Cruise Control
 Re: IRS was: Leaf spring alt.
 Why articulation?
 Re: IRS was: Leaf spring alt.
 Re: Gas quality & fuel filter... was RE: fuel injection cleaning?
 RE: One-piece driveshafts & truck armor
 Re: One-piece driveshafts & truck armor
 actual lift
 Sierra Nevada Rock trails
 getting CB to work
 Re: actual lift
 Re: actual lift
 getting cb to work
 Mechanix Gloves.........but something similar too
 Re: One-piece driveshafts & truck armor
 Re: IRS was: Leaf spring alt.
 Re: warn 12000
 Re: Mechanix Gloves.........but something similar too
 Re: IRS was: Leaf spring alt.
 Rubicon
 oil burning???
 MiniList Teleco Run
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 Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 07:03:34 -0700
 From: Steve  Subject: Re: One-piece driveshafts
 Jay Kopycinski wrote:> Does anyone know if Toyota used a one-piece driveshaft on any> of the '84-'88 longbed or Xtra Cab models? Can anyone confirm> a specific model as having one from the factory?>> How about earlier model longbed trucks.....one-piece or two-piece?
 I have an 81 Long bed the stock drive shaft has a slip yolk at the trany end and
 a single "U" joint at each end.
 Steve Keene, Anaheim, CA
 TLCA # 5414   stkeene@pacbell.net
 81 Toyota Long Bed Truck, Front 3" Rancho Springs, Rear 2 1/2" Shackles+2"
 Performance Add-a-Leaf, 32" BFG Mud Terrain , Stainless Steel Brake line rear,
 Relocated front brake Lines, Extended Diff, Breathers, On board air.(By Colman
 Ha!), Roll bar Air Tank, Seats in bed w/4 point belts, Bikini top over bed. 4:56
 diff. gears, Lockright in Rear.
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 Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 07:49:37 -0700
 From: markadrian@juno.com (Mark D Adrian)
 Subject: Re: Temperature warble>only idea left is the fluid clutch in the fan. How can I diagnose this?
 Barney McNamara writes :
 An idea from my web-page archives:>"With the truck cold, tie a length of "kite string" to one of the fan
 blades,>and the other end to some point in the engine compartment.  Then start>the car.   The string should be able to hold the fan when the engine is>cold, and a good fan will break the string with engine warm."  Was a>good quick check for me.
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 Well, to continue the interrogation, I've been reading my Toyota repair
 manual. They direct me to replace the "silicon oil" in the coupling. I
 guess it either wears out (how does this happen?) or it seeps/leaks out
 (I don't see a seal in the diagrams). The manual does not break down the
 procedure on how to replace the fluid, but my local Toyota dealer says
 I'll need two tubes of the oil at $10/per to replace the old. Of course,
 they recommend complete coupling replacement for $100+.
 Mark
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 Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 09:45:08 -0600 (MDT)
 From: Scott Ellinger  Subject: Re: warn 12000> Yup ,,,TOTAL over kill for a Yota ;) ;)>>>> I just got an incredible deal on a 12000 lb warn for my 85 4runner and>> am wondering if this is going to be to big.  if this setup is possible>> what rate springs should i use from OME. (got to get the lift before i>> setup the winch)> I beg to differ... at least on the overkill part.
 I run a 12,500 Pierce (stalls at about 13,500) on my '86 Toy pickup, and
 I have stalled it, on the first wrap of cable, with two fully charged
 batteries hooked up to it.  I also know that it wasn't the fault of the
 winch, either; right next to me, there were *two* Warn XD9i's going on
 another single stuck Toy, and both stalled... :)
 Incidentally, that much pulling power is enough to pull most bumpers off;
 make sure that if you decide to mount it up, you go for similar overkill
 on the mounting points.
 And always remember: overkill is your best friend when you're depending
 on your parts to get you home.  There's no such thing as too much roll
 cage when you're sitting on your roof; the same goes for winches, IMHO.
 - --scott
 Scott Ellinger   ellinger@holly.colostate.edu   Larimer County 4WD Club
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 Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 10:04:41 -0600 (MDT)
 From: Scott Ellinger  Subject: Re: IRS was: Leaf spring alt.> 	In a previous posting describing TT3, you seemed to limit>     the IS travel to +- 30 degrees. Was there a specific reason>     for that? Also, what CV joints are you using for the inner>     CV joints?> Travel in excess of +/- 30 degrees is extemely difficult to build;
 most CV joints are limited to about 30 degrees, at least for full
 speed operation.  Also, when you exceed 30 degrees, CV's tend to
 lose a great deal of strength; the innards work really hard to get
 out, more than they work to turn the wheels.
 Additionally, a ball joint with a cycle of greater than 60 degrees
 is virtually nonexistant; I just special-ordered what will be my
 new upper ball joints; they're 3/4" industrial spherical bearings,
 capable of misalignment to 27.5 degrees, and that's the highest I
 could find in a reasonable size.  There are some 3/16" sphericals
 rated to 35-37 degrees, but they're nowhere near strong enough
 for a vehicle.
 There are ways around that 30-degree limit on the joints, but you
 have to create something truly unique (and extremely precise, and
 very expensive) to do it.  I have one mental design for a ball
 joint alternative, but it requires a fully custom assembly, and
 I'm not comfortable with the loading that it would have to take,
 vs. what the potential impacts on it could be, and how strong it
 can be made.
 But even if you find ways to play past the 30 degrees on the ball
 joints and CV's, in order to maintain integrity on the CV's past
 30 degrees, you'd need CV's pushing into the realm of 8" OD, to
 make them big enough and strong enough to survive that kind of
 lateral loading and still transmit torque smoothly.
 I'm told that there's a Datsun U-joint IRS setup out there that
 will take greater angles and more torque than a CV setup, maybe
 even more than a Porsche 930 joint, but it's a very specialized
 joint, and not at all cheap.
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 Scott Ellinger   ellinger@holly.colostate.edu   Larimer County 4WD Club
 Visit my Home Page: http://holly.colostate.edu/~ellinger
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 Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 10:08:28 -0600 (MDT)
 From: Scott Ellinger  Subject: Re: Rubicon> More bad news.  The trail was nailed with another foot of snow over that last> few days.  Its snowing as I type .   May not be another few weeks before we> can go on the trail.> Bad news?  What?  More snow is good... :> Seriously, how much is too much?  I personally wouldn't mind it if the trip took
 a little longer than normal, but I'm curious as to how far down it has to melt
 before it's passable.
 Incidentally, passable being relative, I'm talking about passable by a fully
 locked, one axle chained, V8 Toy on 35's.  Second axle chains optional.  13k
 pounds of winch pull available.
 - --scott
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 Visit my Home Page: http://holly.colostate.edu/~ellinger
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 Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 12:19:00 -0400
 From: Thomas Bank  Subject: Temp gauge
 I am having an unusual problem with my temperature gauge in my '85
 pickup.  When started up, it is down at the bottom (as usual), but
 within a couple minutes it jumps up to normal operating temperature
 (long before the engine should have warmed up).  Usually it stays in the
 normal range, but occassionally it will drop back down to the bottom and
 then slowly rise up to normal operating temperature as it normally
 would.
 I am guessing that the sending unit is the problem, but with other
 vehicles where I had a bad sending unit, the temp gauge would just stay
 someplace (cold, normal, hot, whatever).  Checked all connections and
 nothing seems to be out of order.  Should I just replace the sending
 unit or is there something else that I should check.
 Thomas Bank (trbankii@microserve.net)
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 Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 10:28:56 -0600 (MDT)
 From: Scott Ellinger  Subject: Re: IRS was: Leaf spring alt.> dramatically longer axles to be used. By installing this type of altered> swing arm, these vehicles get over 2 feet of rear travel. I've seen it.> This is why I was so interested in using this set-up. ...makes me> [almost] wish I was still in engineering school.
 And as long as you keep the wheels following the arc of maximum angle on
 the joints, you can use a whole lot of travel out of the thing.
 But it doesn't work too well on a steered axle, since you've already used
 up your steering angle abilities on travel.>> Like everyone has said, its expensive. The parts are easily available,> though. You can buy the arms, the cv's are the famous Porshe 930 units,> and custom axles are not outragous. The only problem would be welding up> a narrow toy 9" unit and constructing a supframe. The problem is not that> it wouldn't work. Its prohibitably expensive.> Actually, having made an IFS Ford 9" myself, it's not that expensive.  It
 is pricey; I think I've got nearly $2k in my front drivetrain, but that's
 everything forward of the transfer case, and inboard of the outer CV's,
 and that includes my broken prototype parts costs when I overtorqued my
 halfshafts beyond what a dramatically cut respline could take.
 Granted, I made a lot of those parts myself; a couple of people have
 asked me if I would/could duplicate what I did, for them, and my basic
 price quote for a duplicate ready to go runs between $3-4k depending on
 what's included.  Note: I don't actually do this professionally; it's
 more of an personal project that one or two people have considered
 duplicating.
 Constructing a subframe for a rear IS would be tricky, but the front IS
 is already there, and can be only slightly modified.
 You mention a Toy 9"--do you mean the Toy 8" or the Ford 9"?  I'm not
 aware of any 9" Toy diff out there.  I had a great deal of difficulty
 getting custom 9" shafts made, and when I looked at having custom Toy
 8" shafts made, nobody would touch it.  Moser might, but I didn't know
 about them at the time.  Regardless, 9" stuff is easier to come by, and
 stronger, and when you're talking about a full suspension redesign, it
 only makes sense to go with the best you can, and do it once.  The cost
 of a junkyard housing to cut up is really minimal in the scheme of a
 full IS truck.
 - --scott
 Scott Ellinger   ellinger@holly.colostate.edu   Larimer County 4WD Club
 Visit my Home Page: http://holly.colostate.edu/~ellinger
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 Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 09:47:53 -0700
 From: "Brandon Miller"  Subject: Re: Rubicon
 You'll have to figure out how to get through the sheer wall snow drifts...
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 From: Scott Ellinger  To: toy4x4@tlca.org  Date: Friday, May 29, 1998 9:11 AM
 Subject: Re: Rubicon>> More bad news.  The trail was nailed with another foot of snow over that
 last>> few days.  Its snowing as I type .   May not be another few weeks before
 we>> can go on the trail.>>>Bad news?  What?  More snow is good... :>>>Seriously, how much is too much?  I personally wouldn't mind it if the trip
 took>a little longer than normal, but I'm curious as to how far down it has to
 melt>before it's passable.>>Incidentally, passable being relative, I'm talking about passable by a
 fully>locked, one axle chained, V8 Toy on 35's.  Second axle chains optional.
 13k>pounds of winch pull available.>>--scott>Scott Ellinger   ellinger@holly.colostate.edu   Larimer County 4WD Club>        Visit my Home Page: http://holly.colostate.edu/~ellinger> '86 Toy pickup body, Ford 5.0, GMC NV4500, "slightly altered" RKSTMPR>>===========================================================================
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 Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 16:50:55 GMT
 From: knight@atmos.albany.edu (David J. Knight)
 Subject: Re: truck armor
 Scott says:> First off, I made them out of 1.5" sch40 steel pipe.  It's about 1.9" OD,> so I just tossed it in the bender (I have a tube bender set up to bend 2"> OD tube, for my rollcage) and bent merrily away; worked fine for the> bends in the pipe.>> I welded a plate to one end, and bolted that to the rear spring hanger> on the back end.  It comes straight out, runs along the rocker panel seam> under the door, and bends in again at the body mount up front, and is> attached to the back of the body mount under the firewall.>> Then, I attached a chunk of angle steel to the bar along the length of> straight pipe between the bends, welded full-length to the bar.  I bolted> that (six bolts on the passenger side, seven on the driver's--the fuel> pump is on the passenger side, taking up one of the bolt holes) to the> rocker panel seam.>> I figure, this is about as strong as a nerf bar can be without being> made of much larger tube.  And I didn't want to lose ground clearance> when I did this, so the bars are right up against the rocker seam.
 I thought about something like this. I considered just getting some 1"x1/4"
 steel or aluminum. Put one piece on each side of the seam, and bolt them
 together through the seam. This would result in no loss of ground clearance,
 and would at least assure the seam didn't bend. Wouldn't help much with
 the outer portion of rocker though - I could still hit a rock and find
 my door sealed shut by bent metal. I'm also a little concerned
 about rust, but figure I can probably seal up the holes in the
 seam well enough (silicon caulk?)
 If somebody made a piece of strong metal pre-formed to the outer
 rocker contour I'd get out my checkbook in a second.
 I still haven't decided how to protect my rocker panels. Here
 is your chance to tell everyone your solution...
 Please let us know when you get them on a web site - I'd like to see
 details.
 Thanks
 David Knight
 knight@atmos.albany.edu
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 Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 10:53:55 -0600 (MDT)
 From: Scott Ellinger  Subject: Toy List Rubicon Run... Doh! (?)
 I just called the Jeep Jamboree promoters, and found out when the
 Rubicon runs are this summer... they're on both weekends around
 the Toy list run.
 The Jeepers Jamboree (the bigger of the two) is on the 25th and
 26th weekend (July) and the Jeep Jamboree is the 31st and 1st.
 They said that the trail will be closed for them those two week
 ends, but is open the week in the middle, and both weeks on either
 side.  Also, there may be another large event the weekend of Aug.
 6th as well, but they weren't sure.
 Since I'd rather avoid the crowds, and that's my one week of
 vacation time this summer, I think I'm going to have to check if
 I can reschedule my vacation from work, to get out there before
 the Jamboree.  :(
 - --scott
 Scott Ellinger   ellinger@holly.colostate.edu   Larimer County 4WD Club
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 Date: Sat, 30 May 98 01:36:00 -0500
 From: Rosenberger Bud  Subject: RE: Cruise Control
 Hi Guys!
 Thanks for the responses to my Cruise control questions.  It is fixed so
 I thought I'd share the info with the rest of you so you'll know in the
 future.  I have the factory system. There is an interlock to the brake
 fluid level/parking brake light.  If the light is on, the cruise doesn't
 work!  My light was on so I filled the res. and the cruise works great
 now!
 My co worker suggested that if I fill the washer fluid, maybe the AC will
 kick back on!
 HTH,
 Bud R
 Go Sabres!
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 Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 12:48:21 -0500 (CDT)
 From: "Bruce Burden"  Subject: Re: IRS was: Leaf spring alt.
 Hi Scott,>> is virtually nonexistant; I just special-ordered what will be my> new upper ball joints; they're 3/4" industrial spherical bearings,> capable of misalignment to 27.5 degrees, and that's the highest I> Interesting. So, this will give you +/- around 25 degrees,
 then? (to allow for some safety margin)>> I'm told that there's a Datsun U-joint IRS setup out there that> will take greater angles and more torque than a CV setup, maybe> even more than a Porsche 930 joint, but it's a very specialized> joint, and not at all cheap.> For the rear U joints I can see, plus you will eliminate
 the need for a ball joint, unless you want 4WS. But, it isn't
 an option for the front. If it is possible, I would like to
 keep things interchangable as much as possible.
 Bruce
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 Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 10:55:13 -0700
 From: Barney McNamara  Subject: Why articulation?
 I worked my way through James' excellent tutorial on the differences
 between Leaf, IFS, and Trailing Arm suspensions. I think I understand
 the differences in the suspension concepts. What I am not quite sure
 of is the conclusion:>So I'll say again "Comes down to having the right tool for the job in>the kind of stuff you drive in" go for the articulation if you need to>crawl in the rough stuff, and travel if your wheeling is done over the>dunes, desert or dirt roads.
 Why do you want articulation for rock crawling instead of simple travel
 to allow the tires to lift over rocks as you meet them?
 I assume the advantage of travel over articulation on less radical
 driving surfaces is that independent wheel travel is less jarring
 to the passenger and allows more comfort at higher speeds, but I'm
 not sure of that either.
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 Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 13:07:56 -0500 (CDT)
 From: "Bruce Burden"  Subject: Re: IRS was: Leaf spring alt.>>> about them at the time.  Regardless, 9" stuff is easier to come by, and> stronger, and when you're talking about a full suspension redesign, it> only makes sense to go with the best you can, and do it once.  The cost> of a junkyard housing to cut up is really minimal in the scheme of a> full IS truck.> Or you can go to nuclear overkill, and convert those Rockwell
 H-175 or whatevers from the 5 ton dumptrucks. 15" ring gear? No
 sweat. And, think of the dramatic improvement in CG with two
 of those monsters hanging down!
 Bruce
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 Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 11:51:13 -0700
 From: Scott Muir  Subject: Re: Gas quality & fuel filter... was RE: fuel injection cleaning?
 Deo Farrales wrote:>BTW, my Chilton's emphasizes the importance of torquing the connecting>nuts when tightening to prevent leakage.  I don't have access to an open>end torque wrench (regular ratchet style, yes) so any ideas how I can>determine if it is tight enough? Thanks.
 Ah, yes, if you want, you can use a flat wrench and the infamous 'fish scale'
 If you know what the torque rating is, and how long the moment arm of the wrench is,
 you can figure out what the scale should read when you've torqued it enough
 T = F*d   so diide your torque reading (ft lbs) by the lenght of the moment arm (in feet) and you'll get how
 many pounds on the scale represent the correct torque...  But add a little for good measure.> What is the general consesus of gas quality?  What I mean is what gas> stations have the "good quality" gas?
 Two words: Techron.  8)
 Scott.
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 Date: Sat, 30 May 98 03:09:00 -0500
 From: Rosenberger Bud  Subject: RE: One-piece driveshafts & truck armor
 Jay Kopycinski asked:>Does anyone know if Toyota used a one-piece driveshaft on any>of the '84-'88 longbed or Xtra Cab models? Can anyone confirm>a specific model as having one from the factory?
 There was a guy on the list that made a new one piece one and he had many
 problems with it.  I know he was having a new one made of larger dia
 tubing.  Check the archives??>Anybody used one of the aftermarket driveshaft support bearings?
 I bought one about a year ago and it was fine-$130.  I could find the box
 for it if you want the brand.  lmk
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 From: Scott Ellinger>Then, I attached a chunk of angle steel to the bar along the length of>straight pipe between the bends, welded full-length to the bar.  I
 bolted>that (six bolts on the passenger side, seven on the driver's--the fuel>pump is on the passenger side, taking up one of the bolt holes) to the>rocker panel seam.>I figure, this is about as strong as a nerf bar can be without being>made of much larger tube.  And I didn't want to lose ground clearance>when I did this, so the bars are right up against the rocker seam.
 Doesn't this negate the use of rubber/poly body mounts?  You are
 transferring all the twist of the frame directly to the body.  Be careful
 and wath for stress cracks in the body seams, etc.  I realize your truck
 is a bit more modified than the average mall cruiser...:)  They sound
 great.  Keep us posted on how they hold up cause if they work OK for you,
 they should be great for the rest of us!
 Bud R
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 Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 12:56:25 -0700
 From: "Jay Kopycinski"  Subject: Re: One-piece driveshafts & truck armor> There was a guy on the list that made a new one piece one and he had many> problems with it.  I know he was having a new one made of larger dia> tubing.  Check the archives??
 Yes, I have two one-piece and one two-piece (confused) for my truck.
 A friend has an Xtra Cab with an ailing bearing and he was looking for
 a low cost solution. I bought one of my one-piece ones in a junkyard
 for $35, but didn't really know what all models may or may not have had
 them.> I bought one about a year ago and it was fine-$130.  I could find the box> for it if you want the brand.  lmk
 Hmmm....he found BAP had one for $100, but can get one from Toyota
 for about $150 with the 25% discount. I'm hearing some people have
 had problems with the aftermarket ones.......
 Thanks for the info.
 On Scott's body armor:> Doesn't this negate the use of rubber/poly body mounts?  You are> transferring all the twist of the frame directly to the body.  Be careful> and wath for stress cracks in the body seams, etc.  I realize your truck> is a bit more modified than the average mall cruiser...:)  They sound> great.  Keep us posted on how they hold up cause if they work OK for you,> they should be great for the rest of us!
 Good point really.....body to frame is rubber mounted, now the nerfs to
 frame are solid mounted and nerfs to body solid mounted......may see
 problems after some flex time......let us know how they work Scott.
 Jay Kopycinski    '85 Toylet  (ROKTOY)
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 Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 01:44:55
 From: Rick Murray  Subject: actual lift
 I'm not sure if I really have 3"-lift springs on the front of my
 solid-axle '84 4Runner.  The original owner said he had a 3" lift,
 but there were 2" blocks in the back.  The springs do have a slightly
 positive arch, like the back ones.
 When I measure the vertical distance between the top of  the front
 axle tube (in the middle) and the oil pan, I measure 5 1/2 inches.
 Can anyone else on the list, with a solid-axle 4Runner with a known
 lift, check that same measurement ?  Let me know the measurement,
 and what amount of lift you have.      Thanx in advance.
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 84 Toyota 4Runner SR5                    33" BFG M/Ts ; 4.88 gears
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 Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 14:12:33 -0700
 From: "Todd and Terry Steele"  Subject: Sierra Nevada Rock trails
 We have a group that was planning on running the Rubicon on the 11th to 14th
 of June.  It looks like Mr. Nino and the snow has over ruled our plans.
 Anybody have any suggestions for moderate to difficult (rock preferred)
 trails, not snow covered, in a 5 hour radius of San Francisco.  The Hammers
 are probably too far away for the majority of the group.
 Also any thoughts on the trails in Stanislaus National Forest near Sonora?
 Thanks
 Todd
 His:  87 Toyota 4X4, Marlin Tcase #180, EZ Lockers F/R, Warn MX8000, Custom
 rear bumper and nerfs, Ramsey F bumper, Trailmaster/Superlift 4", 33-9.5 BFG
 MT's.  Custom Body by Sierra Nevada.
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 Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 14:52:23 -0700
 From: Barney McNamara  Subject: getting CB to work
 Ebersold, Chance J wrote:>I recently replaced it with a cobra cb and I still can't get>anything.  Where should I look for the problem?
 Sounds like a broken antenna cable to me.
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 Barney McNamara              JENNY - 83 Toyota Short Bed
 ( barney@flowpoint.com )     stock 22R motor ; 3" body lift
 Santa Cruz, Ca.              8" alloy rims; 31" BFG A/Ts
 homepage: http://www.scruz.net/~barneym/barnhome.htm
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 Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 17:35:24 -0600
 From: "David Eggleston"  Subject: Re: actual lift
 - ----------> From: Rick Murray > To: toy4x4@tlca.org> Subject: actual lift> Date: Thursday, 28 May, 1998 19:44 PM>> I'm not sure if I really have 3"-lift springs on the front of my> solid-axle '84 4Runner.  The original owner said he had a 3" lift,> but there were 2" blocks in the back.  The springs do have a slightly> positive arch, like the back ones.> When I measure the vertical distance between the top of  the front> axle tube (in the middle) and the oil pan, I measure 5 1/2 inches.> Can anyone else on the list, with a solid-axle 4Runner with a known> lift, check that same measurement ?  Let me know the measurement,> and what amount of lift you have.      Thanx in advance.>>> ##################################################################> Rick Murray                                22R motor ; 3-inch lift> 84 Toyota 4Runner SR5                    33" BFG M/Ts ; 4.88 gears> Rancho Cordova, Ca.                   Rancho 9000's ; on-board air>  http://www.jps.net/rick99/             Marlin TCase #67 ; TRD LSD> ##################################################################>>> ============================================================================> Toyota 4x4 page: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota
 If you've got a slight positive arch to your springs, then you've got about
 3" worth of lift. The factory springs had about 1?" of negative arch to
 them.
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 Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 20:05:23 -0400
 From: Charles Brooks  Subject: Re: actual lift
 Rick Murray wrote:>> I'm not sure if I really have 3"-lift springs on the front of my> solid-axle '84 4Runner.  The original owner said he had a 3" lift,> but there were 2" blocks in the back.  The springs do have a slightly> positive arch, like the back ones.> When I measure the vertical distance between the top of  the front> axle tube (in the middle) and the oil pan, I measure 5 1/2 inches.> Can anyone else on the list, with a solid-axle 4Runner with a known> lift, check that same measurement ?  Let me know the measurement,> and what amount of lift you have.      Thanx in advance.
 I have an 83 shortbed (Same suspension) I measure approx 2.5 inches
 at the same place. FWIW I also measured at the bumpstop amd it's
 about 2 and a 1/4 inches. I figured that might be more accurate,
 because we may have different oil pans...
 Charles Brooks
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 Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 17:45:45 -0700
 From: corey  Subject: getting cb to work
 have a cb shop SWR your unit,and check ground on ant.cmewheel
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 Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 12:35:04 -0700
 From: "Jay Kopycinski"  Subject: Mechanix Gloves.........but something similar too
 Some of you may have seen ads for Mechanix gloves in some of the
 4WD mags lately. I don't know what they sell for, but I'd guess $10-15.
 I've never tried 'em, but stumbled across something similar recently.
 I was at Grainger buying some stuff and they had a sale on North
 Grip N Nitrile gloves. These are cotton/acrylic gloves with a little
 PVC vinyl pattern adhesed all over them for little grip surfaces.
 I generally don't like to wear gloves when I'm wrenching. I usually
 only wear medium duty leather ones when I'm handling steel or
 lifting or welding. However, I've found these gloves are great for
 general work and are flexible and sticky enough to make handling
 tools, parts and hardware pretty easy. Although really just a cloth
 glove, they do keep a lot of dirt off your hands too.
 These have the PVC on both sides and are reversible so if one
 side starts to wear a lot or get really soiled or ??, you can just
 change hands. There are also other makers of these gloves
 too.
 Cost is about $1 - $1.50 so they're cheap enough to use a while and
 then toss, and you can also carry an extra pair or two in your truck.
 Thought some of you might find this interesting.
 Jay Kopycinski    '85 Toylet  (ROKTOY)
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 Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 19:31:10 -0600 (MDT)
 From: Scott Ellinger  Subject: Re: One-piece driveshafts & truck armor> Doesn't this negate the use of rubber/poly body mounts?  You are> transferring all the twist of the frame directly to the body.  Be careful> and wath for stress cracks in the body seams, etc.  I realize your truck> is a bit more modified than the average mall cruiser...:)  They sound> great.  Keep us posted on how they hold up cause if they work OK for you,> they should be great for the rest of us!> Potentially, yes.  In fact, I can hear it creaking a little from time to
 time if (when) I launch really hard off the line, but I also set it up with
 oversized holes on the nerf bars, so there should be a little play there
 to absorb the twist before it does damage.  3/8" holes, with 1/4" bolts and
 good washers to keep from pulling through.
 Incidentally, when I connected the bed and cab via the rollcage, I more or
 less negated the effects of the body mounts, and I've also connected the
 two via the front bumper, the radiator, and a few other spots.  So, yes,
 this does serve to eliminate the whole purpose of body mounts anyway, but
 until I can figure a better way to keep the cab away from the frame, I'm
 stuck with the poly mounts.
 I'll try to find some rocks to bang the bars on this weekend, and let the
 list know how they do, or if I can even find local rocks to rub on.... :)
 - --scott
 Scott Ellinger   ellinger@holly.colostate.edu   Larimer County 4WD Club
 Visit my Home Page: http://holly.colostate.edu/~ellinger
 '86 Toy pickup body, Ford 5.0, GMC NV4500, "slightly altered" RKSTMPR
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 Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 19:37:20 -0600 (MDT)
 From: Scott Ellinger  Subject: Re: IRS was: Leaf spring alt.>> about them at the time.  Regardless, 9" stuff is easier to come by, and>> stronger, and when you're talking about a full suspension redesign, it>> only makes sense to go with the best you can, and do it once.  The cost>> of a junkyard housing to cut up is really minimal in the scheme of a>> full IS truck.>>> 	Or you can go to nuclear overkill, and convert those Rockwell>     H-175 or whatevers from the 5 ton dumptrucks. 15" ring gear? No>     sweat. And, think of the dramatic improvement in CG with two>     of those monsters hanging down!> Okay, okay, you win... you found something where I'm going to have to say
 that there is such a thing as too much overkill... :)
 But if you can physically fit the 15" ring gear diff under the truck, why
 not mid-engine big-block it, run 66x44-20's, and squish cars in an arena
 with it while you're at it?  :)
 Seriously, there are some Rockwell 10.5" ring gear military IS diffs out
 there, under 1.5T 6x6 articulated-frame beasties... I think they're Gama
 Goats, but I'm not sure.  They were under the monster CJ7 creation that
 won TTC last year, and if you can find 'em, they're way strong, low geared,
 set up for U-jointed halfshafts, and already narrow enough to run IS well.
 If you can find 'em.  :)
 - --scott
 Scott Ellinger   ellinger@holly.colostate.edu   Larimer County 4WD Club
 Visit my Home Page: http://holly.colostate.edu/~ellinger
 '86 Toy pickup body, Ford 5.0, GMC NV4500, "slightly altered" RKSTMPR
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 Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 20:36:03 -0500
 From: Robert Stein  Subject: Re: warn 12000
 Scott ,,,it was a JOKE Dude !!!!
 I, myself , have been chasing these "GREAT" deals for several years and never seem to be in the
 right place at the right time.....
 CHILL guy,,,,,,I was only poking fun at the question......I actually
 agree with what you are saying ;)
 Robert
 Scott Ellinger wrote:>>> Yup ,,,TOTAL over kill for a Yota ;) ;)>>>>>> I just got an incredible deal on a 12000 lb warn for my 85 4runner and>>> am wondering if this is going to be to big.  if this setup is possible>>> what rate springs should i use from OME. (got to get the lift before i>>> setup the winch)>>> I beg to differ... at least on the overkill part.>> I run a 12,500 Pierce (stalls at about 13,500) on my '86 Toy pickup, and> I have stalled it, on the first wrap of cable, with two fully charged> batteries hooked up to it.  I also know that it wasn't the fault of the> winch, either; right next to me, there were *two* Warn XD9i's going on> another single stuck Toy, and both stalled... :)>> And always remember: overkill is your best friend when you're depending> on your parts to get you home.  There's no such thing as too much roll> cage when you're sitting on your roof; the same goes for winches, IMHO.>> --scott> Scott Ellinger   ellinger@holly.colostate.edu   Larimer County 4WD Club> - --
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 TLCA MEMBER# 7321   rrbbs@juno.com              STOCK 22R-E Motor
 Lawton,Okla     rjstein@wolverine.cameron.edu   12+" Lift<2"body> http://www.lawtonok.net/rjstein/toyota.html    33x14.50x15 Mickey's
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 Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 18:48:02 -0700 (MST)
 From: Paul Nathanael Henry  Subject: Re: Mechanix Gloves.........but something similar too
 Mechanix gloves are about $25+ and are far better than the other
 gloves mentioned.  They protect your hands fairly well from most hot
 engine parts with the exception of exhaust headers which will burn
 through them if touched for more then a second or two.  They are also thin
 enough to handle most small nuts, bolts etc.
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 Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 19:48:29 -0600 (MDT)
 From: Scott Ellinger  Subject: Re: IRS was: Leaf spring alt.> 	Interesting. So, this will give you +/- around 25 degrees,>    then? (to allow for some safety margin)
 Round about.  It depends on the stud design that I end up using, and
 how I finally decide to suspend it.
 The bearings I mentioned are rated for a static radial load of about
 48k pounds, with axial load specs at approximately 20% of radial; this
 will eliminate torsion bars as a suspension option for me.  Too close
 to the 4:1 margin of safety used when applying static load ratings to
 kinetic (and impact) loads.>>> 	For the rear U joints I can see, plus you will eliminate>     the need for a ball joint, unless you want 4WS. But, it isn't>     an option for the front. If it is possible, I would like to>     keep things interchangable as much as possible.> Interchangeability is a good thing; for that reason, if (when?) I do
 ultimately build a full IS truck (I'm thinking pro tuff truck) it'll
 run the same spindles, halfshafts, diffs, brakes, etc. all the way
 around.  Keeps it a lot easier, and cheaper.  The ultimate would be
 all control arms interchangeable, uppers, lowers, left to right, etc.
 As long as you can keep the angles at or below 30 degrees, 930's
 should hold up fine to just about any smallblock or less, and provide
 lots of travel.
 - --scott
 Scott Ellinger   ellinger@holly.colostate.edu   Larimer County 4WD Club
 Visit my Home Page: http://holly.colostate.edu/~ellinger
 '86 Toy pickup body, Ford 5.0, GMC NV4500, "slightly altered" RKSTMPR
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 Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 19:11:30 -0700 (PDT)
 From: Darrell Creeks  Subject: Rubicon
 Mark smith sent two snowmobiles in to the Rubicon last weekend and there was
 still 4' of snow at Rubicon springs and 5' at spider lake.  I'm gonna plan
 for the last weekend in june.
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 Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 19:36:52 -0700
 From: "John M. Smith"  Subject: oil burning???
 without any visual signs out the tailpipe, how can you tell when you are
 burning oil? is a compression check in order? please email me direct at
 jmsgen@earthlink.net
 ps 1992 reg cab 4x4 3.0 v6 5 speed
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 Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 22:26:53 -0500
 From: schein@juno.com (Dan Schein)
 Subject: MiniList Teleco Run
 Was I dreaming or has there been talk of a Mini run at the Teleco area in
 August of this year? Any dates set yet so I can plan for vacation? Reason
 I ask is the wife has so much fun at GSMTR -she- wants to wheel the
 Hilux. Guess i'll just have to wheel Jo (our 40) again. Boy is life hard
 ;-)
 - -Dan
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 Dan Schein Esq. -=- schein@juno.com -=- Reading, PA USA
 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Garage/1978
 Member of TLCA (#6687) and the Keystone Cruisers chapter
 Proud owner of Jo, a 1978 Fj40 Toyota LandCruiser
 86 Hilux, 73 Hurst/Olds, 88 Honda Civic, 93 Pontiac Transport
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