Toyota 4x4 digest:        Tuesday, May 5 1998        Volume 01 : Number 841
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 timing belt replacement
 Re: OBD-2
 Re: OBD-2
 Re: CO2, compressed air, etc.
 praire city
 Re: DAMN ARB LOCKER...
 Marlin gears
 CO2, compressed air, etc.
 Re: Top Truck
 Re: marlin crawler gears
 short skirts
 Re: CO2, compressed air, etc.
 Re: CO2, compressed air, etc.
 CO2, compressed air, etc.
 Re: timing belt replacement
 Toyota Shop Manual for 81 PU
 Re: Re: T100 shackles
 Re: Top Truck
 Stickers Ordering Info!
 Re: Window hard to roll down
 still burning oil
 Re: Stickers Ordering Info!
 Re: DAMN ARB LOCKER...
 Re: Stickers Ordering Info!
 New Englad Run
 Re: Radio
 Window hard to roll down
 Re: marlin crawler gears
 Re: CO2, compressed air, etc.
 Re: marlin crawler gears
 Re: CO2, compressed air, etc.
 LOTS of questions
 Re: LOTS of questions
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 Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 21:13:21 -0700
 From: tbruasu@imap3.asu.edu (by way of Gary Bjork )
 Subject: timing belt replacement
 I have an 89' 3.0 V6 pickup that I bought about 16,000 miles ago and I am
 the third owner that I know of.  I have  no clue if the timing belt has
 been replaced yet.  Should I be worried?  If so does anyone know an
 estimated price of replacement?
 Todd Bruen
 tbruasu@imap3.asu.edu
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 Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 22:16:39 -0700
 From: Jim Brink  Subject: Re: OBD-2
 Norman Goetz wrote:>> I checked with CARB in the 818, and they said> it would be illegal to tamper with any system that would affect the> emissions. But they also admitted that since their plan has sort of> crumbled under public and legislative pressure, there is no way they could> implement any sort of procedure to check for error codes.
 You no doubt talked to someone from CARB at a VERY low level :-) No
 upper-level managment-type would ever admit to this! Actually, the plan
 to implement error code and on-board diagnostics is being discussed now.
 This type of test would replace the exhaust-gas test on newer vehicles,
 with the logic that the on-board system being as advanced as it is,
 would detect and identify an emission defect.>> Thanks for the long explanation.  They are going to add some sort of treadmill> testing in the state-run Oregon DEQ test centers, but publicity about it sounds> like it will not take that much longer than the tailpipe tests.
 It doesn't. It is a very short test. In fact, if a particular vehicle
 passes a certian portion of the test, the rest of the sequence is
 cancelled. The dynamometer is very efficent in producing results.>> But you point out that the potential problem with error codes was not that the> computer would turn off the ignition, but that the DEQ test centers would read> the error codes on every car and not pass ones showing emissions-related> errors, which might be due to over-stock size tires on 4X4s.  The logistics of> checking error codes are operable here too, and I don't hear anything about> building new test centers to handle a longer procedure.  Some Portland TV> station is running a story this week about the new testing, and advance> advertizing for the story hints that it is just an additional cost with no> benefit.
 The cost and time to check error codes is almost a moot issue. It takes
 less time to scan an OBD system for error codes than it does to process
 the paperwork for the entire inspection. As of now, OBD-II systems do
 not monitor vehicle speed, be it wheel or axle speed. OBD-II systems
 monitor emission-specific parameters such as: Misfire monitoring,
 catalyst efficency, EVAP purge, EGR, etc.
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 Manhattan Beach, CA				32x11.50/15 BFG M/Ts
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 Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 22:21:18 -0700
 From: Jim Brink  Subject: Re: OBD-2
 Kemasa wrote:>> I asked a friend about this, who is in the car business and this> is he response:>>         Wishful thinking.  The dynos are installed.  They were to begin>         May 1, but software problems pushed the program back again.>         It'll probably begin within a couple of weeks.>>         This guy is dreaming.  The minimum cost for the new smog dyno>         and computer is $35,000.  They are gonna go on line, believe>         me.>> He also said that all-wheel drive cars would have to go to the referee> station. I suspect that will add to the backlog.
 The referee stations really have it together. I doubt there will be any
 backlog.>> In case no one has noticed, the results have been sent electronically> for quite some time. So that is nothing new nor anything that is> changing now.>> GOOD shops do pre-testing, not all of them do that though. I know> people who had problems because a lack of pre-testing. Make sure> that when you bring your car in that they pre-test it!!! Don't> assume it!!!
 Shops also have to be aware on pre-conditioning (warm-up) procedures for
 certian cars. Ever seen a car go through meltdown in a shop stall? Not
 pretty :-).
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 Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 08:49:17 -0400
 From: "wolfer1"  Subject: Re: CO2, compressed air, etc.>I have also heard a rumor that you can get old scuba tanks
 for next to nothing>& have them charged with normal air but super high
 preasure.
 If you go the scuba tank route, check with some of the local
 scuba shops about tanks in which failed their certification.
 See if they will talk to the owners of the tanks and if they
 will sell them. I've picked them up for free to 20 dollars.
 The tanks will hold up to 3000 psi. You can get a adapter
 with a hose to fill up your tires for about 10 to 15 bucks.
 I hope this helps.
 Domenick
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 Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 06:21:40 -0700
 From: Daniel Ferris  Subject: praire city
 Rick you left one listee out I belive his name was Jon Brandt. I think he
 had a 86 4 runner correct me if im wrong..  Hollis Ferris.....
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 1988 XTRA CAB, 2 INCH LIFT, LOW PRO BUMP STOPS
 RANCHO RS 9000S, SWAY BAR DISCONNECT,
 DUNLOP 33.12.50S MUD ROVERS, (SOON, A REAR LOCKRIGHT)
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 Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 06:49:46 -0700
 From: David Fritzsche  Subject: Re: DAMN ARB LOCKER...
 "Ok, I give up.  Ever since I had my ARB installed (rear only) it was
 leaking diff fluid out of the compressor solenoid."
 Mine does the same thing, When I was at Marlins Automotive last week I
 asked him about it and he said that the ring that has the air line
 attached to it in the diff. is not centered. No matter how many times
 you replace the seals it will start leaking again. A one way valve will
 not work because it will not allow the air to bleed off when you shut
 the unit off and your locker will stay locked. He also said that another
 temporary fix is to attach an tube to the top of the solenoid and run it
 down under the truck, put a small catch-can at the end to catch the oil.
 A little hockie but it will work.
 David Fritzsche,1990 V-6 Ex-Cab, Pro-Comp II Lift, Rancho 9000 shocks,
 4:88 Gears, Tru-Trak front, ARB rear, Marlin Gear Change, Centerforce
 Clutch, 33" BFG-MT's, 8" Rims, Warn 8000 Winch, Custom made Rear Bumper,
 Winch Mount, Re-Worked Smitty-Built Nerfs, CB Mount, On-Board Air Tank
 and System (made  from two Cadillac air suspension pumps--still working
 on this). All parts designed an built by the owner. (Man I hope they
 don't fall off). This truck is built for Rockin--Not for Lookin!
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 Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 07:31:10 -0700 (PDT)
 From: Darrell Creeks  Subject: Marlin gears
 I've been going to the Rubicon since 1974.  I installed the crawler gears in
 the winter of '96, and the summer of '97 was THE MOST comfortable trip I've
 ever had.  It's real nice not bouncing the wife and kids all over the place.
 Its also nice taking five trips in, in one year and not breaking anything.
 Goning slow make all the difference.  I'd recommend the gears before any
 other midification.
 - -Darrell Creeks: '83 SR5, custom faltbed, custom rollbar, lincoln locker in
 the -rear, 4.7:1 Marlin t-case, with 5:71 R&Ps, 36x12.50 TSL Swampers, 8274
 Warn 8000 lb -winch, 3.5" springs, 3" body lift, custom spring mounts front
 and rear.
 - -"GC" got Christ? it's hell without him.
 - -calweb.com/~dcreeks/outbacktrails.htm
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 Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 00:48:26 EST
 From: "james stevenson"  Subject: CO2, compressed air, etc.>I have also heard a rumour that you can get old scuba tanks for next> to nothing & have them charged with normal air but super high> pressure.
 You can fit a 88cft scuba tank in the panel behind the wheel on the
 Pickups by removing the stone guard. I removed the fitting from the top
 an ran a air line to my compressors with a check valve at the compressor
 . The compressor comes on if the line drops below 140psi. The air line
 also has a t connector that runs to the air outlet fitting. I can run
 air tools from the outlet or pump up the tyres. The tanks can be aired
 up , I think its about 4000 Psi, at a scuba shop. I kept the fitting
 from the top of the tank to that mounted a 5 meter tube. I just go down
 and run the fitting to the scuba filling station and air up (takes about
 10min for both tanks). If I run out of the onboard compressor supplies
 enough but it's a lot slower. One scuba tank will fill about 5 35's or
 air up about 10-15 depending on pressure. If you just use the scuba tank
 you have to do a lot of fills before you spend the same bucks as a
 compressor. A friend of mine uses a scuba buddy tank. These are the
 little ones about a foot or so long. He carries 2 of then in the
 toolbox. He got the line fitting that attaches to the scuba tank and out
 it to a the tyre filling unit for a standard compressor. He can fill his
 31's a couple of times on each tank.
 James Stevenson (TonkaTuf)
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 Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 09:50:49 -0500
 From: Jack Alford  Subject: Re: Top Truck
 Subject: Re[2]: Top Truck
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 I agree also.  Where is it being held this year?  If it's not too far,
 I might come cheer ya on too.  If not, I'll keep my fingers crossed
 for ya.  It's a Toyota thing.....you know the rest.
 Allen
 Scott wrote:>I agree entirely.  I suspect you'll also draw a pretty good crowd of>people on this mailing list, to see you compete in person...I plan to>drive down and check it out.
 Afraid not. It's a closed event. The entire park is closed except for
 people involved with the TTC.
 - jack
 Jack Alford     jalford@off-road.com      Romans 6:23
 Decatur, AL     http://www.off-road.com/~jalford
 '86 Xcab Toyota Pickup -  33x12.50 BFG MT
 Buick V6 - Solid Front Axle - Marlin Crawler - ARB's - 4.88's
 SFWDA  -  TLCA #3415  -  Rocket City Rock Crawlers
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 Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 10:00:16 -0500
 From: Jack Alford  Subject: Re: marlin crawler gears>I had to close my eyes when I forked over the money for the ProComp IFS lift,>& that was only $700.  I didn't feel so bad about the ARB - I KNEW it
 would be>great.  But that much for lower crawl ratio - I just can't seem to
 rationalize>it for this part of the country.  I assume you had it installed?
 If you think you've got a good truck without Marlin gears, you'll think you've
 got a SUPER truck with his gears. Even around the south the difference is
 incredible !
 Marlin really isn't making anywhere near 200% on the gears ... To be making
 that kind of markup he'd have to send his gears off to Taiwan and have about
 4 million sets made out of cheap steel which he isn't doing. Having an
 independent machinist make such small runs as he does isn't cheap and there
 really isn't a market to have gigantic production runs made that would
 equal such lower costs for the consumer ... Simple economics. Look into making
 and selling a few parts of your own and you'll quickly understand why small
 businesses that make parts come and go so quickly.
 - jack
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 Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 09:11:07 -0600
 From: Rob Boyle  Subject: short skirts
 I'm trying to find out if I have an 85 22r with the too short piston
 skirt. Does anyone know what manufacture dates would be affected by
 this?
 - --
 Rob Boyle 85 4runner 225,000 miles Kayline soft top
 Bronco 33-12.5's    Downey super clutch
 4.88 gears with EZ lockers F&R
 New 5" alcans for the front
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 Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 08:00:40 -0700
 From: Jim Walters  Subject: Re: CO2, compressed air, etc.
 The certification on tanks is a test to see if the unit will safely hold that
 3000 psi of pressure  you are talking about.  Personally, I'd stay away from the
 high pressure tanks, as you need a safe place to mount them where nothing can
 hit the yoke.  If you knock the top off of a tank with 2000+ psi of pressure,
 you have yourself a missile.  Also, you will find it difficult to find places
 who will fill uncertified tanks, as that is illegal.
 I'd much rather be safe and take an extra couple of minutes to air back up.
 Jim Walters
 wolfer1 wrote:>>I have also heard a rumor that you can get old scuba tanks> for next to nothing>>& have them charged with normal air but super high> preasure.>> If you go the scuba tank route, check with some of the local> scuba shops about tanks in which failed their certification.> See if they will talk to the owners of the tanks and if they> will sell them. I've picked them up for free to 20 dollars.> The tanks will hold up to 3000 psi. You can get a adapter> with a hose to fill up your tires for about 10 to 15 bucks.> I hope this helps.>> Domenick>> ============================================================================> Toyota 4x4 page: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota
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 Date: Tue, 05 May 98 10:12:27 -0600
 From: bwiencek@kcnet.com
 Subject: Re: CO2, compressed air, etc.
 On Tue, 5 May 1998, DRM033  wrote:>I have also heard a rumor that you can get old scuba tanks for next to>nothing & have them charged with normal air but super high preasure.
 Well, as another lister mentioned that they picked up some "failed" scuba
 tanks for next to nothing - There is a reason that they failed their Hydro
 test - that's because the tank is in the early stages of FAILURE - that means
 it potentially could explode under the 3000 PSI of pressure that they charge
 them to...  As a certified diver I sure wouldn't wnat to be carrying around a
 charged grenade in my truck that bounces around off-road...
 AFAIK It's Illegal (I'm 99% sure it is at least) to charge a tank
 that does NOT have the current certification.... and I don't think most of us
 have access to a compressor of that ability!  While the tank may be good for
 say 1000 PSI, I wouldn't charge it to near the capacity.... The way they test
 these things is they empty the tank, place it in a tub of water, then measure
 the increase in displacement as the tank charges - too much expansion and the
 tank fails.  A 3000PSI exploding tnak is the last thing anyone needs on a
 trail - there have been cases where older tanks have cracked the valves off
 and gone through concrete walls, etc.
 A NEW tank can be bought for $99-129 at some of the discount scuba
 shops, and GOOD used ones for $40-60 if you're not wanting "top-of-the-line"
 brand names, etc.  I have a friend that runs a small scuba shop, and I could
 check with him on a purcahse of used tanks or a QTY of NEW tanks for less
 $$$...
 - - Brian
 - - Brian
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 Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 08:23:21 -0700
 From: "Jay Kopycinski"  Subject: CO2, compressed air, etc.
 DRM033  wrote:>What is the concensus on these other methods of air sources?  I have seen>these CO2 containers advertised, & this looks like the way to go.>I just see any normal compressor & air tank system as falling short of>possible needs, from airing up to air tools.
 Yes, all the electric ones don't put out sufficient volume for fast airing up
 nor can they run air tools. Your best bet, if you have room, is to run a
 converted a/c compressor. The York ones tend to be a little large. I have
 a small linear piston Nippondenso compressor I'm gonna mount up
 and plumb for air. These were used on older Japanese cars and trucks.
 You can also use some rotary style compressors with some extra provision
 for oiling.>I have also heard a rumor that you can get old scuba tanks for next to nothing>& have them charged with normal air but super high preasure.
 Yes, but you'll need to be certified to have them legally filled....unless you
 know someone that can have them filled for you....or know someone with
 a dive shop that will fill them for you. Legally, any filled bottle should also
 be a good, tested unit.
 Scuba tanks work well and a single charge can air up 4-5 trucks after a
 run. Guess you could also run air tools for a short time as well, I just
 haven't seen it done with a scuba tank. I've seen guys use CO2 as well.
 Just gotta be very careful carrying around high pressure tanks.
 Jay Kopycinski   '85 Toylet  (ROKTOY)
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 Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 11:29:42 -0400
 From: adickenson@kpmg.com
 Subject: Re: timing belt replacement
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 The timing belt should be replaced as a precaution about every 60,000
 miles (or so the maintenance schedule says).  You'd probably be o.k.
 up to about 100,000 miles, although I wouldn't push it.  The parts run
 about $90 and with install at a dealer you're gonna be in the $300
 price range (D.C. prices).  If you haven't had the head gasket
 replaced under the special service campaign, have that done.  While
 they've got it open, they should only charge you for the timing belt
 parts.  You can save about $200 doing it that way.  I've even heard
 some dealerships replace the belt for free when doing the head gasket.
 I wasn't that lucky, but give it a shot.
 Hope that helps,
 Allen
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 Subject: timing belt replacement
 Author:  toy4x4@tlca.org at Internet
 Date:    5/4/98 9:13 PM
 I have an 89' 3.0 V6 pickup that I bought about 16,000 miles ago and I am
 the third owner that I know of.  I have  no clue if the timing belt has
 been replaced yet.  Should I be worried?  If so does anyone know an
 estimated price of replacement?
 Todd Bruen
 tbruasu@imap3.asu.edu
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 Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 09:19:30 -0600
 From: "Jim Brashear"  Subject: Toyota Shop Manual for 81 PU
 I am looking for a shop manual for my 81 PU.  I hate to sound cheap but
 Toyota wants $80 plus for one.  I have bought all the aftermarket manuals
 but none can answer my questions regarding emissions controls.  If anyone in
 AZ or the west has an old one they are not using please drop me a line.
 Thanks jbrashear@illusions.com
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 Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 09:51:12 -0700
 From: "Roger Brown P.E."  Subject: Re: Re: T100 shackles
 Ken wrote:>> First of all, THANKS for posting this!  I looked all over for shackles
 that were about 1.5" longer than stock, and found the same thing as
 you--only very long ones are available. I started making my own, but I
 wasn't happy with the results.
 I would like some clarification on the 9mm wider thing.  What exactly
 are you referring to?
< Subject: Re: Top Truck
 Scott wrote:>> I agree entirely.  I suspect you'll also draw a pretty good crowd of
 people on this mailing list, to see you compete in person...I plan to
 drive down and check it out.
< Subject: Stickers Ordering Info!
 The stickers have been ordered and should be here in a few days. Many
 have said they want the sticker ASAP so I don't see any reason why we
 can't start the ordering process now as it will take the mail system a few
 days to get your letters to me. so here is the ordering info:
 Send a SASE (Self Addressed Stamped Envelop) and a check for $1 to
 Chris Geiger
 7367 B Freeman
 Goleta CA 93117
 I will put 6 stickers in the SASE and send it back to you. Buy using SASE's
 it will save me lot's of time filing out envelope's and buying stamps. This
 is strictly non profit, and I will need about 90 people to buy these to
 break even. Money received after that will go into a second run of solid
 axle stickers and/or the T shirt project.
 The sticker can be seen at http://geiger.mcl.ucsb.edu/logo/logo.html
 Chris Geiger 93 4Runner http://geiger.mcl.ucsb.edu/offroad.html "ROKRUNR"
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 Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 10:24:34 -0700
 From: Kevin Valentine  Subject: Re: Window hard to roll down
 JC VR 4 wrote:>> I had a post a little while ago about my window being hard to roll down.  I> got responses saying to take off the door panel and lube the window> components.  I did this and lubed with WD40 and still it does not roll down> any easier.  May there be something else wrong with it?
 WD40 is not the best lubricant for that kind of mechanism for one
 thing.  I'd use a grease.  Probably like a white lithium type.
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 Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 11:56:46 -0600
 From: Rob Boyle  Subject: still burning oil
 hello folks
 I'm looking for a little help finding the source of an oil leak on an
 85 22R. It burned 1 quart per tank when I bought it a few months ago. I
 thought I would be able to fix the problem with a valve job. The
 compression was reading 135 on all 4 before the valve job, they all read
 140 now. I think these are good numbers for 9,000 ft elv.  looking at my
 reciept from the valve job, 4 valve guides were replaced but no valve
 seals. Would a bad valve seal give misleading good compression reading?
 also, I do have oil fouling on only one plug, #3, same as before the
 valve job. These questions also come to mind. How can I rule out rings?
 can rings go bad in only one direction..good compression but bad
 suction? Is a cylinder leakdown test able to detect a bad seal? How many
 bananas envolved in replacing a seal with the head on?
 the engine smokes heaviest when revving it parked, and when engine
 breaking. It does run good and strong though with great gas milage.
 Hoping someone can share a been there done that experience.
 - --
 Rob Boyle 85 4runner 225,000 miles Kayline soft top    85 shortbed
 Bronco 33-12.5's    Downey super clutch               all stock 22R
 4.88 gears with EZ lockers F&R                         110,000 miles
 New 5" alcans for the front                             hers
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 Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 13:49:23 -0400
 From: "Tom Pechkovsky"  Subject: Re: Stickers Ordering Info!
 Chris,
 How would you like us Canadian Members to send money?  Can we send a cheque in Canadian Funds at the appropriate Exchange rate??
 Tom Pechkovsky
 Barrie, Ontario>>> Chris Geiger  05/05 1:10 PM>>> The stickers have been ordered and should be here in a few days. Many
 have said they want the sticker ASAP so I don't see any reason why we
 can't start the ordering process now as it will take the mail system a few
 days to get your letters to me. so here is the ordering info:
 Send a SASE (Self Addressed Stamped Envelop) and a check for $1 to
 Chris Geiger
 7367 B Freeman
 Goleta CA 93117
 I will put 6 stickers in the SASE and send it back to you. Buy using SASE's
 it will save me lot's of time filing out envelope's and buying stamps. This
 is strictly non profit, and I will need about 90 people to buy these to
 break even. Money received after that will go into a second run of solid
 axle stickers and/or the T shirt project.
 The sticker can be seen at http://geiger.mcl.ucsb.edu/logo/logo.html
 Chris Geiger 93 4Runner http://geiger.mcl.ucsb.edu/offroad.html "ROKRUNR"
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 Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 10:54:36 -7 GMT
 From: "Leo G. Divinagracia III"  Subject: Re: DAMN ARB LOCKER...> From: "Randy Tan" >> Ok, I give up.  Ever since I had my ARB installed (rear only) it was> leaking diff fluid out of the compressor solenoid.  After 7 months of this,> I finally got ARB to send their latest main seal after my installer took> the rear diff apart and found the problem.  They were nice enough to
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 i believe the problem is the installer...> replace it for free, but I paid for fed-x on the new seal and two days for> a rental car.  It really hurts cause the ARB is already friggin expensive.> It's been about 3 months and now it's leaking again, just as much as> before.  My question is, do other ARB users on this list have this problem?
 yes, i have the problem.  currently even.  after wheelin' this weekend i can
 hear the familiar rush of the diff fluid coming out of the solenoid.  even
 worse, my pump is in the rear portion of my 4runner, so i actually SMELL it
 also!>  What can I do besides changing the seal again, which may fail just as> quickly, and taking into account I'm all out of favors from my installer.> Is there a one way valve i can install in the air line which will allow air> to the diff but keeps fluid back?  This is just a real annoyance thing> right now, it dosen't prevent the ARB from locking, but I hate having fluid> leaking in my engine compartment.  I know what the rest of you are> saying...I shoulda got a detroit locker. 8^)> two words: get a new installer.  i called arb about this.  they asked if i
 had a toyota.  immediately, they said it was a common thing to fail within 3-
 4 months of ownership because of improper installation.
 find another installer.  even better, call arb and have them tell you a good
 installer in your area...  have your installer call arb for the proper
 techniques.
 and no, you should never have gotten a detroit... 8-)
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 Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 10:59:07 -0700
 From: Chris Geiger  Subject: Re: Stickers Ordering Info!> How would you like us Canadian Members to send money?  Can we send a> cheque in Canadian Funds at the appropriate Exchange rate??
 Sure, I should be able to give that to my bank lets try it!
 Chris Geiger 93 4Runner http://geiger.mcl.ucsb.edu/offroad.html "ROCKRUNR"
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 Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 14:21:46 -0400 (EDT)
 From: Eli Madden  Subject: New Englad Run
 Well, there's been 4 replies so far! If I can get everyone interested to
 please e-mail me directly,including the folks who already responded, with
 the following info -
 1. Where you are
 2. What mods your Toy has  (to help determine suitable trails)
 3. What type of trails you like to drive
 4. Any scheduling preferences
 5. Your e-mail address
 My e-mail is eli@computeralt.com
 What I'd like to do is take the next week or so to receive responses. Then
 I'll figure out where everyone interested is located and start figuring
 out WHERE we'll hold it. Hopefully someone will be in a central location
 and be able to scout trails for us.
 On a similar note, if anyone is interested in coming to VT for some
 trails, I am ALWAYS willing to show you around! I know trails ranging from
 mild with cool scenery to tight, muddy, rocky, with a 3ft deep quarter
 mile wade! (I'd love if someone is interested in the latter, cuz I don't
 wanna go back there alone! I spent the night last time.)
 Eli Madden, N1XCZ
 Middlebury, Vermont
 '83 SR5 Shortbed 4x4 [ANYWARE]
 31" Muds, 3" Front Springs (sits level), '87 22R
 eli@computeralt.com
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 Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 13:44:33 -0500
 From: "Jason C. Graeser"  Subject: Re: Radio
 I have a stock cassette radio out of my '91 Pickup, if its the same, your welcome to it.
 Jason >I have a friend with an '85 truck with a stock cassette radio.>It just died on him and he would like to find a stock replacement.>Anybody got one lying around they'd like to sell for a reasonable price?>Please let me know if you do. Thanks.>Jay Kopycinskin   '85 Toylet  (ROKTOY)
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 Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 14:49:26 -0400
 From: Ed.Wong@astramerck.com
 Subject: Window hard to roll down
 I had a post a little while ago about my window being hard to roll down.
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 Often a "sticky window" is caused by a "sticky" window!
 Use some silicone lubricant - avail as dieletric grease
 from PepBoys or Nappa.
 roll the window all the way down
 Squeeze a tad into the rubber channel near the bottom
 rollthe window up and downa few times.
 EWong
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 Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 11:58:33 -0700
 From: "Todd and Terry Steele"  Subject: Re: marlin crawler gears
 I wrote:>>  Best $1052.47 I ever spent.>> David Moore wrote:>I had to close my eyes when I forked over the money for the ProComp IFS
 lift,>& that was only $700.  I didn't feel so bad about the ARB - I KNEW it
 would be>great.  But that much for lower crawl ratio - I just can't seem to
 rationalize>it for this part of the country.  I assume you had it installed?> No, I didn't have it installed.  I bought the rebuilt Tcase with the 4.70-1
 gears.  The gears alone are $150 cheaper.  I could easily justify the extra
 $'s because it's all new bearings and seals.  It all depends on what you're
 going to do with your truck.  Look at the Jeep guys who spend 8 to 900
 dollars on an adapter to put in a SM420 tranny.  Then add the cost of the
 tranny.
 Todd
 His:  87 Toyota 4X4, Marlin Tcase #180, EZ Lockers F/R, Warn MX8000, Custom
 rear bumper and nerfs, Ramsey F bumper, Trailmaster/Superlift 4", 33-9.5 BFG
 MT's.  Custom Body by Sierra Nevada.
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 Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 12:02:39 -0700
 From: "Todd and Terry Steele"  Subject: Re: CO2, compressed air, etc.
 Domenick wrote:>>If you go the scuba tank route, check with some of the local>scuba shops about tanks in which failed their certification.> Be very careful with this.  If they fail the internal visual, it's probably
 due to corrosion of some sort.  Also check for current hydrostatic test
 date.  It's stamped on the neck shoulder of the tank.  I believe it's good
 for 5 years.  Then you'll have to find someone who will fill it with out a
 visual inspection sticker.  Good luck but be safe about those 50 lb missles.
 Todd
 His:  87 Toyota 4X4, Marlin Tcase #180, EZ Lockers F/R, Warn MX8000, Custom
 rear bumper and nerfs, Ramsey F bumper, Trailmaster/Superlift 4", 33-9.5 BFG
 MT's.  Custom Body by Sierra Nevada.
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 Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 12:07:41 -0700
 From: "Todd and Terry Steele"  Subject: Re: marlin crawler gears
 Jack Alford wrote:>Marlin really isn't making anywhere near 200% on the gears ... To be
 making>that kind of markup he'd have to send his gears off to Taiwan and
 have about>4 million sets made out of cheap steel which he isn't doing.
 Having an>independent machinist make such small runs as he does isn't cheap
 and there>really isn't a market to have gigantic production runs made that
 would>equal such lower costs for the consumer
 I believe he has Advance Adapters making the gears.  I know some of the
 parts for the dual box comes from them.
 Todd
 His:  87 Toyota 4X4, Marlin Tcase #180, EZ Lockers F/R, Warn MX8000, Custom
 rear bumper and nerfs, Ramsey F bumper, Trailmaster/Superlift 4", 33-9.5 BFG
 MT's.  Custom Body by Sierra Nevada.
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 Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 15:20:02 EDT
 From: DRM033  Subject: Re: CO2, compressed air, etc.
 In a message dated 98-05-05 11:25:48 EDT, you write:> Yes, all the electric ones don't put out sufficient volume for fast airing> up nor can they run air tools. Your best bet, if you have room, is to run a>  converted a/c compressor.
 Yep - no room.  As you all know a 22RE with A/C & an ARB compressor under the
 hood makes for a full house.
 By the way, anyone know when ARB changed their compressor design to the better
 design?  I have never messed with my ARb compressor because I didn't want to
 screw it up.
 I guess I will fork over the (realtively inexpensive) cost for one of those
 CO2 containers they advertise in the mags whan I get around to it.  They say a
 welding shop can refill them for about $12.  Can't beat that.
 I always carry a back-up compressor (TruckAir) just in case.
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 TLCA #5662
 Traxx In Motion 4 Wheel Drive Club
 http://www.netmatter.com/traxx
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 Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 15:20:06 EDT
 From: DRM033  Subject: LOTS of questions
 Since starting next week it will be work-a-thon on my truck, I have more than
 a few questions for anyone who can help.
 Thanks in advance!
 1.) For those who have used a Jay K. or similar 2 link torque bar in the rear,
 what did you use for the "shackle"?  Did you attach the shackle to the
 crossmember offset like the rear mount on the axle? When welding to the axle,
 should I remove the diff, of is it better to weld to the axle with the fluid
 insode to dissipate heat (then drain it after)?
 2.) For those who have made or had someone make some rock sliders, could you
 describe how they attach to the frame? (more detail is better)
 3.) For anyone who has made a skid plate to cover the entire bottom of the IFS
 crossmembers & diff, how did you attach the plate?  I have a Downey front skid
 plate now - should I weld the two together to form a continuous skid plate?
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 TLCA #5662
 Traxx In Motion 4 Wheel Drive Club
 http://www.netmatter.com/traxx
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 Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 12:30:42 -0700
 From: "Todd and Terry Steele"  Subject: Re: LOTS of questions
 David Moore wrote:>3.) For anyone who has made a skid plate to cover the entire bottom of the
 IFS>crossmembers & diff, how did you attach the plate?  I have a Downey
 front skid>plate now - should I weld the two together to form a continuous
 skid plate?
 I have a TMaster lift with the back crossmember.  Drilled two holes in it
 and used coutersunk, allen wrench, machine screws with nylock bolts.  Same
 for the stock front crossmember, just a little better aim to align the
 bottom hole with the large holes in the top to put the washers and nuts in.
 Todd
 His:  87 Toyota 4X4, Marlin Tcase #180, EZ Lockers F/R, Warn MX8000, Custom
 rear bumper and nerfs, Ramsey F bumper, Trailmaster/Superlift 4", 33-9.5 BFG
 MT's.  Custom Body by Sierra Nevada.
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