Toyota 4x4 digest:       Monday, April 13 1998       Volume 01 : Number 804
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 Re: manual locking hubs
 Re: IFS articulation
 Mud King's
 bio
 Re: Rear brake porportion valve
 Re: OEM Tires
 Re: Rear brake porportion valve
 Re: IFS articulation
 RE: Toyota 4x4 digest: V1 #801
 Re: Rear spring doctoring
 Re: IFS articulation
 Looking for parts for 1988 4Runner
 Re: Toy Runner get together
 Re[2]: good fit
 auto tranny maintenance
 Fiberglass Leonard Camper FS (Raleigh, NC)
 '96 Tacoma Technical Service Bulletins
 Re: good fit
 Re: rear blocks
 Re: Technical Service Bulletins
 Why change???
 Re: Toyota 4x4 digest: V1 #801
 Re: Re[2]: good fit
 Muddy Passengers
 Tacoma ARB air locker
 four wheeler mag stuff...
 New Address
 RE: 22R-TE web site/turbo timer
 33's VS. 35's on a 1987 $Runner
 Bent Frame!?!?!
 Re: Rear spring doctoring
 Re: Why change???
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 Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 08:03:23 -0600 (MDT)
 From: Scott Ellinger  Subject: Re: manual locking hubs> ok. . .so toyota makes hubs that are so easy to use that i have heard reports> of monkeys being trained to use them properly, some how i managed to only> disengadge the drivers side hub half way (not eaxactly sure how long it was> like this) last night i heard a clicking sound (like the front locker was> ratchiting) when i went around turns so when i got to the next light i jump> out and sure enough its only half disengaged. the front axle was never engaged> druring this time period, but i could have been like this for 2 weeks (cause> the radio is too loud)  i havent had time to put it in 4x4 to see if it still> works, do you guys think its alright or did i blow something?> I wouldn't worry about it.  If the dial still turns properly, the hubs are
 probably fine.
 Having rebuilt mine several times, once after literally filling them with mud,
 there's not much in there to damage, and what is possible to damage is pretty
 stout.
 In the worst case (you mentioned a locker) you could have worn the locker
 more than normal, but you'll be able to tell right away if it's damaged--it
 just won't lock (or won't unlock, but either way, you'll know it in a hurry)
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 Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 04:12:17 -1000 (HST)
 From: Eric Johnson  Subject: Re: IFS articulation> Took my 86 out yesterday for its maiden off-rd voyage. The rear> suspension performed (twisted & flexed) very good but the front didn't.> So what should I be checking / modifying to (#1) verify my front travel> and (#2) increase it?
 #1: When you get it twisted up, get out and see if the suspension is
 bottoming or topping out. The IFS systems tends to top out a lot, but its
 pretty hard to statically (i.e. when you're standing still) to get it to
 bottom out (though a jump will do it!)
 #2:> PS: The sway bar is in the shed on the floor...
 Good start. If #1 shows you're topping out (I guarantee you are) get some
 low profile bumpstops or the ultra low ones. NWOR (even they couldn't
 screw up a bumpstop order) and Downey carry them.
 Also, airing down will gain you a few degrees of twist - the axles won't
 bend any further, but you'll have traction for those few extra degrees
 where you didn't before.
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 Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 10:41:42 -0400
 From: schein@juno.com (Dan Schein)
 Subject: Mud King's
 Called my local 'BF Goodrich' dealer today to ask about 'Mud Kings'.
 Turns out they are a private label of Goodrich and he can get them for
 me. My cost is $.72 less than 4-wheel-parts-wholesalers, that includes
 mounting/balance/vavle stem and the best part is he's local!
 I ordered it and it will be here this afternoon yet! Now Jo will have a
 spare the same size as the others.
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 Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 10:44:20 -0400
 From: "Sferrella, David N."  Subject: bio
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 Name:david n. sferrella
 City & State:springboro, ohio
 Country:usa
 E-mail address:david.sferrella@lexis-nexis.com
 Toyota (s) year & model:1993 4Runner
 Are you a TLCA Member (Y/N/Number?):n
 Age:29
 Occupation:Senior Software Engineer
 Marital Status:M
 Hobbies:Sports
 How did you find out about the Toyota 4x4 Mailing List:
 4X4 usenet group
 General info about your vehicle, self, etc.:
 I bought the Forest green SR5 V-6 new in '93. It came with the roof rack,
 rear deflector, hitch, running boards, chrome package and 15' wheels. I have
 many add-ons including Borla exhaust, K&N air filter, Jacobs ignition wires
 and Omni pak, Ranco shocks, Poly sway bar bushings, Manik black Brush and
 Grill guard with Hella driving lights attached, bug deflector, Husky cargo
 liner and front and back floor mats and a cargo net. I have always used
 Mobil 1 synthetic, OEM filters and greased the zerts myself. I recently had
 the dealer perform the head-gasket recall.
 I am need of new tires and am trying to decide which brand and if I should
 move up to the 31 in. I am hesitant because of gas mileage and the cost of
 new rims.
 I like to play all sports and am into martial arts and trucks/cars.
 David N. Sferrella
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 Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 11:12:22 EDT
 From: DRM033  Subject: Re: Rear brake porportion valve
 In a message dated 98-04-13 09:58:31 EDT, you write:>>  However, I strongly urge anyone with a stock Toyota LSPV to toss it; in>  the event of front brake failure (blown wheel cylinder, burst hose, etc.)>  you won't have any rear service brakes either.  The LSPV proportions rear>  brake pressure relative to front pressure, and if there's no front brake>  pressure, you're hosed.> So, what did you replace it with?
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 Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 11:12:29 EDT
 From: DRM033  Subject: Re: OEM Tires
 In a message dated 98-04-13 09:41:58 EDT, you write:>>  The manuf's - becausethey are buying *alot* of tires, have>  leverage with their suppliers :)
 Well, I figured they had pull, but I thought they just helped tell the
 manufacturer what the tire specs should be, and then the all the tires are the
 same.
 So I guess if you went back to the Dealership would you get some of these
 special tires?
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 Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 11:12:33 EDT
 From: DRM033  Subject: Re: Rear brake porportion valve
 In a message dated 98-04-13 05:43:25 EDT, you write:> Ok im familiar w/what the rear brake proprtion valve does. What I want>  to know is how do I set mine correctly? My truck (86 long bed 4x4) has>  1.5" lift blocks in the rear. Currently the road appears bent so the>  valve is down (towards axle. away from bed). This results in the rear>  brakes locking first. If I unbolt the rod and tie it up thefront brakes>  lock and the rear axel skips (hops).
 I am confused here.  If you tie the rod up the rear should have more braking
 preasure (even lock up maybe).  If the rod is lowered, the rear should have
 less braking preasure.
 I would recommend you to make an extension to raise the lower bracket about
 2".  Then start at the upper-most part of the thread & start testing.  then
 lower the adjuster until the rear is acting like you want it.
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 Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 11:12:31 EDT
 From: DRM033  Subject: Re: IFS articulation
 In a message dated 98-04-13 09:38:37 EDT, you write:> For example, you can combine suspensions from Trailmaster (or ProComp>  Stage I) and Rancho to get more travel, you can use just Rancho parts>  to do it, or you can use some Trailmaster and some custom stuff....>  the list goes on and on.
 Ah.... the questionasked oh so long ago!  Could you tell more about combining
 these two lifts?  I had thought that you could combine the ProComp lift & the
 Rancho lift together to get more than 4" of lift (possibly 5" or 6").
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 Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 08:13:49 -0700
 From: "Farrales, Deo"  Subject: RE: Toyota 4x4 digest: V1 #801
 Actually, I did end up figuring out what it was.  I didn't realize how
 important it was to properly install the nylon washer that keeps the
 antenna base and stud from touching any of the metal mounting surface.
 I drilled a larger hole so that I could use the nylon washer properly
 and *that* kept the antenna base and stud from touching any metal.  BTW,
 thanks for the SWR info.  I always got conflicting info concerning that
 topic.  How about removing the antenna and attaching it back later on?
 Does that change the SWR?  I wouldn't think so since I'd be using the
 same antenna, right?  I guess it could only if the antenna wasn't
 mounted the same way (tightened less so it was higher or vice-versa).
 Currently, my problem is that the coax connector going into the CB unit
 seems to be loose.  I don't get anything (not even engine interferance)
 unless I shake the connector around.  I tried out another coax cable I
 had and it worked fine.  Is Radio Shack known for bad quality coax
 cable?  I think I'll check out the CB shop instead.  Thanks.
 ~~deo>>Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 10:59:09 -0700>From: "Tong, Donald L" >Subject: Re: Grounding CB antenna>>> When I first tried it 2 days ago it didn't work, then I tried it again>yesterday and, guess what...it woked!  Still can't figure out what the>original problem was...>>That would worry me more than having it not work!  At least when it's>not working you know you have a problem.  It's sounds like you've now>got an intermittent problem and keying up the mike at the wrong time>could definitely fry something.  (Sorry, don't mean to worry you but>things the fix themselves also have a tendency to break themselves again>later.)>>Does the coax go straight from the antenna into the radio, or does it go>through some other connectors on the way?  If it goes through other>connections, one of them might be the problem.  Since you looked at the>Firestik site, you already know that they recommend checking to see that>there is no continuity between the center conductor and the ground>before connecting the radio to a new antenna / antenna line.  You'll>also have read their recommendation for using coax with a twisted center>conductor vs. solid wire, especially when the wire gets pinched in door>frames and stuff.>>As for the SWR question, the guy at the CB shop was correct - removing>the meter does not change the SWR reading "at the point where the meter>was connected".  That last part is the real key.  The correct way to>connect an SWR meter to the antenna line is to remove the antenna line>from the radio, attach the SWR meter to the radio using a patch cable,>and attach the antenna line to the meter.  What you measure is the>amount of power being reflected by the antenna at the point it connects>to the meter.  After you tune the antenna, you remove the meter and>patch cord, and reconnect the antenna directly to the radio.  Since the>length of the antenna line from the point of measurement hasn't changed,>the SWR will remain the same.>>If you connect the SWR to the radio using a patch cord and then leave>the patch cord in place after you tune the antenna (for example, if it's>inconvenient to get to the radio directly so you use a patch cord as an>extension to make connections more accesiible) then your SWR will change>once you remove the meter because the antenna line has been increased by>the length of the patch cord and the intervening connectors.>>Don Tong>donald.tong@unisys.com>> ============================================================================
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 Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 10:24:03 -0500
 From: Jack Alford  Subject: Re: Rear spring doctoring>swap.  Did you have the Downey leaves laying around?  I refuse to buy>something like that from them.  I have read Jay's leaf combinations - any>other leaf combinations people have used?  I would like to see what else>works.
 I used two pairs of Mazda springs. I wasn't going to buy a set of Downey
 springs for a couple of leaves either. I've got less than $100 in two pairs
 of springs.
 - jack
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 Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 10:26:58 -0500
 From: Jack Alford  Subject: Re: IFS articulation>So what should I be checking / modifying to (#1) verify my front travel>and (#2) increase it?>>PS: The sway bar is in the shed on the floor...
 I left the IFS suspension in the shed floor :-)
 I've got tons of front wheel travel now. See for yourself:
 http://www.off-road.com/~jalford/
 - jack
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 Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 08:33:56 -0700
 From: Joe Brower  Subject: Looking for parts for 1988 4Runner
 Howdy, y'all;
 I have a black 1988 4Runner that needs two things, and I was hoping some of
 you out there could suggest some products and/or sources that might fit the
 bill:
 1.  Left & right side-view mirrors
 2.  A replacement for the metal strip that goes around the front
 windshield.  I
 have the original metal pieces which I was thinking of stripping &
 repainting, but if I could just find some place that makes a
 rubber-grommet-like strip that would fit around the perimeter of the
 windshield, that would be optimal.
 Thanks in advance for the help,
 Joe Brower
 Senior Programmer/Analyst, QUALCOMM Incorporated
 jbrower@qualcomm.com
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 Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 10:47:34 -0400
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 I think later in the summer (Aug. or Sept.) might be best.  That'd give us time
 to organize, etc.  Are you heading down for GSMTR?  I'm heading to Tellico for a
 week at the end of May.  Anybody else interested in a Toyota 4x4 Jamboree on the
 east coast, drop me an email.
 Allen D.
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 Count me in, how about an Aug or Sept thing?Or how about may 1st and 2nd since
 I'll
 already
 be in Tellico:)
 Sheldon
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 A 15x8 rim will retain the bead better at low pressure than a 15x10?
 That's contrary to everything I've heard.  I've always heard that to
 be safe, you should follow the 4 inch rule.  Try not to exceed the rim
 width by 4 inches.  Hence, a 12.5 inch tire should go on no less than
 8.5 inch wheels.  However, I don't think an 8 inch rim would be TOO
 small.  Just be careful if you air down, b/c from everything I've
 heard, if you go with a narrow rim and a wide tire, you could lose the
 bead and your tire will slip off the rim.
 Allen
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 Author:  toy4x4@tlca.org at Internet
 Date:    4/11/98 7:07 AM> what size rim would be good for 33 x 12.50 tires?
 At the risk of starting a major flame war, I'd recommend 15x8's
 if they're 15-inch tires.  Most tire stores will suggest 15x10's,
 but will mount 12.50's on an 8-inch rim, and it'll protect the
 rim better in rocks, plus tend to retain the bead better at low
 pressure.
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 Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 08:54:43 -0700
 From: Kevin Valentine  Subject: auto tranny maintenance
 I'm thinking of changing the fluid in my automatic transmission and
 wanted to check with the list of any tips you might have for doing so.
 What is the procedure,  in a nutshell?
 tia
 Kevin
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 Date: 13 Apr 1998 12:07 EDT
 From: "Frank Welty"  Subject: Fiberglass Leonard Camper FS (Raleigh, NC)
 Bought late in 1997 (August/September I think),
 Was on a 1997 Toyota Tacoma 4x4,
 Painted bright red to match truck.
 I have the clamps to attach the camper to the truck,
 but I had to put on an under-the-rail bedliner to
 use the clamps (bedliner not for sale).  You'll need
 some double sided foam tape to seal the camper.
 Paid ~ $800 new,
 asking $200.
 Located in Raleigh, NC.
 Buyer must pickup the camper.
 Frank.
 lfwelty@sprintmail.com
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 Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:21:34 -0700
 From: "Baltzly, Michael R(C05422)"  Subject: '96 Tacoma Technical Service Bulletins
 snjengnr@pacbell.net wrote:>I have found out there are Toyota TSB's that deal with these problems,>The TSB numbers are as follows:
 Where can a person look up these TSBs to find out that they exist?  I'm
 sure that my '85 truck is too old to have any TSBs for it, but I have a
 Celica that consumes motor mounts and valve stem seals.  When I asked
 the service writers at the dealer whether there were any known problems
 with this model they wouldn't even check, and told me "we would have
 mailed you something if there was a problem".  As the second owner I
 don't have much confidence that they could have found me.
 Mike
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 Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:50:38 -0700
 From: Chris Geiger  Subject: Re: good fit>      A 15x8 rim will retain the bead better at low pressure than a 15x10?>      That's contrary to everything I've heard.
 From what I have seen (mostly at Pismo Beach and Glamis) 8" wheels willhold low pressure better than 10" wheels. 10" wheels
 are also much harder
 to get reseated. With a 8" wheel I can rinse off the seal and air it back up
 on the tail gate of my truck, but a 10" wheel is going to need to get repaired
 back at town.
 RockRunner http://geiger.mcl.ucsb.edu/offroad.html
 Too bad Pismo is still closed, I think the Rangers like having the power to
 close it. I think they like the attention their getting.
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 Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:58:07 -0700
 From: "Roger Brown P.E."  Subject: Re: rear blocks>>         Downey off-road sells trick billet aluminum  1" rear blocks for  $65>  and they come with heavy-duty u-bolts.> JC Whitney has 1" aluminum blocks for $10 w/o bolts,
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 Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 13:23:33 -0400
 From: Dave Stracher  Subject: Re: Technical Service Bulletins
 For TSB's and recall notices try:
 http://www.alldata.com/consumer
 This will give you a bulletin # and title, but not the actual contents of
 the bulletin. I have then been able to go to my dealer and view the contents.
 Dave Stracher
 djstracher@bbn.com
 At 09:21 AM 4/13/98 -0700, Baltzly, Michael R(C05422) wrote:>>snjengnr@pacbell.net wrote:>>>I have found out there are Toyota TSB's that deal with these problems,>>The TSB numbers are as follows:>>>>Where can a person look up these TSBs to find out that they exist?  I'm>sure that my '85 truck is too old to have any TSBs for it, but I have a>Celica that consumes motor mounts and valve stem seals.  When I asked>the service writers at the dealer whether there were any known problems>with this model they wouldn't even check, and told me "we would have>mailed you something if there was a problem".  As the second owner I>don't have much confidence that they could have found me.>>Mike>>>============================================================================>Toyota 4x4 page: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota> ============================================================================
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 Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 13:39:01 -0400
 From: Sheldon Gardner  Subject: Why change???
 Let me begin by saying that I'm not trying to get smart with anyone or put anyone
 down  i.e. list admin., I am wondering why the swap over to majodomo??
 ( I think that's what the new prog is called right?)
 The list seems to come out very irregularly, this never happened with the old system.
 Is it just some sort of bug to be fixed or what? I always look forward to getting the list
 daily now it's more like every 3 days or so.
 So what's the scoop???
 Thanks much
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 Sheldon Gardner
 A to Z Marketing Inc.
 atzmkt@flnet.com
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 Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 13:41:37 EDT
 From: DRM033  Subject: Re: Toyota 4x4 digest: V1 #801
 In a message dated 98-04-13 11:21:08 EDT, you write:> Is Radio Shack known for bad quality coax>  cable?  I think I'll check out the CB shop instead.  Thanks.
 Don't buy Radio Shack cable!  I did & it was junk.  Go & get some real coax &
 you will be much happier.
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 Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 13:41:32 EDT
 From: DRM033  Subject: Re: Re[2]: good fit
 In a message dated 98-04-13 11:40:27 EDT, you write:>>       A 15x8 rim will retain the bead better at low pressure than a 15x10?>       That's contrary to everything I've heard.  I've always heard that to>       be safe, you should follow the 4 inch rule.  Try not to exceed the rim>       width by 4 inches.  Hence, a 12.5 inch tire should go on no less than>       8.5 inch wheels.  However, I don't think an 8 inch rim would be TOO>       small.  Just be careful if you air down, b/c from everything I've>       heard, if you go with a narrow rim and a wide tire, you could lose the>       bead and your tire will slip off the rim.
 I have yet to see a 12.5 wide tire on an 8" rim loose a bead.  On the other
 hand I have seen many tires loose beads on wide rims (from 10" up to 14"
 wide).
 The 12.5 wide tires usually do not seat as tightly at the bead on a 10" wheel
 compared to an 8" wheel.
 I would put a 12.5 wide tire on an 8" wheel if only for the rim ptotection if
 offers.
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 Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 14:06:09 -0400 (EDT)
 From: Eli Madden  Subject: Muddy Passengers
 Clutch wrote-> IF YOUR NOT MUDDY,> GET IN, SIT DOWN, SHUT UP AND HANG ON> http://www.geocities.com/~muddyclutch
 Geez, must be that nobody ever rides in your truck.
 Or you live in California where they don't have real mud.
 (running for cover yelling "I'm joking!")
 Eli Madden
 Middlebury, Vermont
 eli@computeralt.com
 '83 SR5 Shortbed 4x4 w/ 31s, 3" Front Springs (sits level), '87 22R
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 Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 11:13:10 -0700
 From: galensinkey@sprynet.com
 Subject: Tacoma ARB air locker
 Hey Tacoma owners,
 I have been in contact with the ARB-USA guy pestering him about an air
 locker for the Tacoma.
 His reply to me this morning was:>> We will have a factory manager from Australia here the>> first week of May.  We will set priorities for the new>> lockers at that time.  Tacoma will be on the list.>> I'll know more in late May.
 If you are interested in getting an ARB locker on your truck, e-mail this
 guy and let him know you support the idea of ARB developing a locker for
 the Tacoma.  His e-mail address is: arbusa@halcyon.com
 Ya ya I know I should have ordered one with the electric locker, but I
 didn't and am still kicking myself...
 - -- Galen Sinkey
 galensinkey@sprynet.com
 see pic of my truck at http://soli.inav.net/~gsinkey
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 Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 11:22:27 -7 GMT
 From: "Leo G. Divinagracia III"  Subject: four wheeler mag stuff...> From: galensinkey@sprynet.com>> I'll certainly be happy to vote for you, but I wonder if FOURWHEELER would> ever put one of its own build-ups through the same ridiculous obstacles> they make the competitors do.> of course not.  the only guy who made it out without winching was a full size
 blazer who had 44" bogger.  with a gazillion inches of lift.  the true tank
 trap is doable when dry (which it is during the summer months).  i saw a
 open diff'ed bobtail bronco made it with a 3" lift and bfg all terrains.  of
 course it took a while.
 now add a thousand gallons of water, then it becomes a waterworld.
 btw, four wheeler mag this month is toyota special with our own jay k. (i'm
 not even gonna try spelling his last name... 8-))  writing up jack alford's
 solid axle up front pickup truck.  then they have another truck with a camo
 paint job that appears also, in '4 wheel and off road mag' in an article
 talking about a bunch of ifs toy trucks that's been 'solidified' up front - in
 a tough trail.
 also 'FW' has a 98 trd 4runner with the super charger, tested with HP
 numbers close to 270'ish.  marlin crawlers are hilighted in 4w&of as being
 the early ones to start the trend of low gearing.  of course only for toyotas
 (or those with toy x-cases...)!
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 ldivinag@csuhayward.edu
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 Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 13:24:33 -0500
 From: Steve Harron  Subject: New Address
 Just wanted to let you guys know that I am now in California.  I am
 living in Burbank.  I hope that you West Coast 'Wheelers will let me
 join you on the trails and help me improve my rig!  Thanks in advance
 for all the help and I will be pestering you!
 Steve Harron
 PS:  You will notice that I have my own email account now so no more
 "zoochic"!
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 Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 11:26:02 -0700
 From: "Roger Brown P.E."  Subject: RE: 22R-TE web site/turbo timer
 Agustinus wrote:>> Good job Jeff
 Do you have any information about affordable Turbo Timer?
 I am getting tired waiting for the turbo to cool down every time.
<> Hey guys, IT WORKS!  Yee-hah!
 I am talking about the turbo-timer, designed and installed by yours truly.
 A turbo timer, upon triggering, allows the engine to continue running after
 the ignition is switched off.  Mine runs the engine for a little over 1
 minute.
 Why?  Well, according to studies by Schwitzer Turbochargers, 90% of all
 turbocharger failures are caused by maintainence/preventable issues - more
 often than not, oil allowed to sit in the bearing area of the turbocharger
 cooks and "cokes" if the bearing is too hot and the exhaust gasses and oil
 circulation is cut off by shutting down the engine when things are too hot.
 The turbo-timer automatically idles the engine so you don't have to sit
 there and wait.  Also, if you have to do the waiting the duration tends to
 be minimal, especially if you're in a hurry getting to lecture, or into a
 meeting, etc!
 This is the latest update on the homebrew turbo-timer I've discussed in
 earlier messages.
 Parts required, and what it cost me:
 (1) "slow" glow plug relay; VW part # 321 911 261 ($13 from friend, used)
 (1) glow plug relay holder + wires ($2 from wrecking yard, used)
 (3) diodes; silicone, I got the 3a continuous with high-peak current ($2 at
 radio shack)
 (1) T 1 3/4 light emitting diode (for viewing the status of the circuit, if
 desired) color of your choice
 misc - solder, multimeter, etc
 Notes:
 * This circuit is suitable for any VW / Audi / Volvo turbo diesel (four,
 five, or six cylinders...) which is mechanically regulated by a governor
 mechanism. (not a TDI)
 * Schematic attached with wiring details (file: turbtime.bmp)
 * Relay holder snaps along top row of relays on top of fusebox for a neat
 installation (for US-built A1's at least) or could be strapped to some
 fixture under the dash, etc.  I just soldered two of the diodes directly
 behind the relay holder; and third is wired in-line to the fuel shut-off
 solenoid lead.
 * Some key wire color codes are given, but colors may vary on models other
 than my US-built Rabbit.
 * Circuit is designed so that there is zero battery drain and no current
 consumption until circuit is activated.
 To activate the circuit, I just flick the high-beam headlights prior to
 shut down.  Once the timer is in a cycle additional high-beam trigger
 signals have no effect.  Once a ~1 minute cycle is completed the timer is
 ready to begin another.  Triggering is virtually instant (only a fraction
 of a second is needed with the high-beams activated in order to flick the
 relay)
 There are LED "blanks" in the existing instrument cluster which hopefully
 will be easy to adapt an additional LED for the timer status indicator,
 much like the yellow glow plug status LED.
 The one downside I could see is if the engine oil pressure suddenly becomes
 zero for whatever reason (say you happen to run completely out of motor oil
 and need to shut her down---quick!) and if you have happened to just switch
 on your high beams thus triggering the circuit... well, it might be a while
 before you can get to shutting it down.  But my thoughts are that it is
 unlikely that both these conditions occur.  But if it does- I'll probably
 be yanking the relay from that fuse box with superhuman speed and agility!
 BTW, I've heard it is an offense in some cities to leave your vehicle
 idling unattended.  I think this could be fun.  Say a police officer is
 writing a ticket for an idling vehicle he sees which is unattended, and
 before he can finish with the ticket it turns itself off  Might be good for
 some strange looks too! ;-)
 But really, I love it - what a time saver this has turned out to be.
 Thanks for the moral support, guys
< Subject: 33's VS. 35's on a 1987 $Runner
 I recently picked up a 1987 $Runner to make a few changes to such as 35
 inch tires on it.   Is there a major difference between 33's and 35's on a
 truck as far as off-road?  I know that clearance is a big issuse however,
 what about stress on the components of the truck.
 I've been told that if I use a ProComp Stage II 4" lift suppension lift I
 will be able to get 35's on without any problems (no rubbing when I turn).
 I have also been told that I will need to trim the fenders to accomplish this.
 Next question:
 What should I use on the back end to get rid of the sag and to fit the
 35's on?  I am looking for products here...
 Thank you.
 Norman Tomlins
 PS: Please e-mail me if you like ...
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 Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 11:31:38 -0700
 From: Steve Harron  Subject: Bent Frame!?!?!
 I decided to get the Downey frame strengthening member for the front
 suspension on my 95 4Runner.  You know what I'm talking about?  So you
 don't spread the rear a-arm mounts on the IFS.  Anyway, I go to put it
 on and it's too short.  I could probably get the bolts through but it
 would be REAL close to the edge of the frame.  So, I guess this means
 that my suspension mounts or frame are tweaked?  I'm sure some of you
 have had this problem.  What should I do to fix it?  Any frame shops in
 L.A. up to the task?  Also, I don't want to use the Downey component to
 measure my frame.  Does anyone know the measurements for the frame?  Any
 assistance would be appreciated.
 Steve Harron
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 Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 11:44:13 -0700 (PDT)
 From: Luke P Miller  Subject: Re: Rear spring doctoring>> Hurry up & get those pics!  I would like to see what you are getting with your> swap.  Did you have the Downey leaves laying around?  I refuse to buy> something like that from them.  I have read Jay's leaf combinations - any> other leaf combinations people have used?  I would like to see what else> works.
 I used the three mazda leaves, and then a cut down toyota third leaf under
 that, with the center hole redrilled, and a toyota fourth leaf under that,
 with the center hole redrilled. This way I just payed for one set of mazda
 springs and sacrificed the old toy rear springs I had in the yard.
 I do get some axle wrap. It winds up a bit when leaving from a stop.
 However, I have yet to experience any real wheel hop from the wrap up, so
 I'm going to be slow in getting a traction bar on there. I also ended up
 adding a half-inch block under the pack to even up the ride height and use
 up more of the u-bolt thread.
 Luke Miller
 __________________________________________________________________________
 1985 4Runner 3"Alcan front lift, 3" custom Mazda spring rear lift, 4.88's,
 rear lockright, RS 9000's, 32x11.50 Michelins, ugly homemade bumpers (the
 best kind)...
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 Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 11:57:57 -0800
 From: Scott Wilson  Subject: Re: Why change???
 Sheldon Gardner wrote:>> Let me begin by saying that I'm not trying to get smart with anyone or put anyone> down  i.e. list admin., I am wondering why the swap over to majodomo??> ( I think that's what the new prog is called right?)> The list seems to come out very irregularly, this never happened with the old system.> Is it just some sort of bug to be fixed or what? I always look forward to getting the list> daily now it's more like every 3 days or so.> So what's the scoop???
 The move to majordomo was made 'mainly' to take some of the load off of
 the administrator (me).  Majordomo lets people subscribe and unsubscribe
 themselves....which saves precious minutes for me.  Other advantages
 include catching MIME and HTML messages, so we all don't have to deal
 with that anymore (well, I still do), and catching all the
 subscribe/unsubscribe messages that our illiterate friends try to post
 to the list, instead of sending them to majordomo.
 The reason for the irregularity of the digests popping out...for awhile
 we had set up the list so that Majordomo would send out a digest
 twice-a-day...but this method proved itself to be VERY unreliable.
 Majordomo was never designed to send out digests by the cron.   Because
 of the unreliablily, I chose to switch back to the way Majordomo was
 designed....when the file size (of the e-mails waiting to go out in the
 next digest)  gets to a certain size, it pops a digest out.  Currently I
 have it set to 45k...and I see no reason to change it at the moment.
 When the list has very little traffic, (like this weekend), you won't
 see any digests, because the file size has not gotten to 45k.
 A reminder to those in digest mode:  If your anxious to see if a digest
 went out that you didn't get (most likely because your ISP bounced it),
 just go and check the archive and check, instead of posting "is the list
 down?"  or asking me directly.
 http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toy4x4/toy4x4_digest.html
 I do believe I answered all the questions, so lets please take this
 topic off the list.  If anyone requires further explanation you can
 write me off the list at owner-toy4x4@tlca.org
 Scott Wilson
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