Toyota 4x4 digest:       Monday, April 13 1998       Volume 01 : Number 803
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 header change
 Re: header change
 Personal Bio Informatoin
 Axel Seal??
 Stuff for sale - cheap
 THORNBIRDS FOR SALE!!!!!
 Re: THORNBIRDS FOR SALE!!!!!
 Rear Blocks
 Rear spring doctoring
 Re: ARB web site?
 Re: Rear spring doctoring
 Tire removal
 body lift
 Re: Tire removal
 Re: body lift
 4RUNNER 4 SALE
 manual locking hubs
 Re: Axel Seal??
 Lift laws....
 To: Rick  others- please disregard.
 To: Rick  others- please disregard.
 San Luis Obispo 4WD Clubs
 Project 86 RTE (turbo) 4x4 for sale
 Re: BUMP STOPS?
 FWD> Welcome to toy4x4-dige
 HID lighting
 IFS articulation
 Re: 4RUNNER REAR BUMBERS
 Rear brake porportion valve
 Re: Turbo Timers
 Re: Tire removal
 Re: body lift
 Re: Scott Ellinger at last.......
 Re: IFS articulation
 OEM Tires
 Re: Rear brake porportion valve
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 Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 15:49:50 -0700 (PDT)
 From: DEREK CAPUTI  Subject: header change
 Can anyone tell me any thing about pacesetter headers for a 87 22re
 4Runner? I have a pacesetter header, a freeflow converter and a
 dynomax muffler but nothing else yet.
 What else do I need?
 Does the converter bolt right on the header or do I need more pipes?
 I have to pickup and pay for this stuff on Monday so if any one can
 give me some more info before hand please do.
 Any special tools?
 (first exhaust job if you hadn't guessed!)
 ==
 FROM,
 CLUTCH
 IF YOUR NOT MUDDY,
 GET IN, SIT DOWN, SHUT UP AND HANG ON
 http://www.geocities.com/~muddyclutch
 _________________________________________________________
 DO YOU YAHOO!?
 Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
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 Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 17:16:45 -0600
 From: "David Eggleston"  Subject: Re: header change
 - ----------> From: DEREK CAPUTI > To: Toy4x4@tlca.org> Subject: header change> Date: Saturday, 11 April, 1998 16:49 PM>>>> Can anyone tell me any thing about pacesetter headers for a 87 22re> 4Runner? I have a pacesetter header, a freeflow converter and a> dynomax muffler but nothing else yet.> What else do I need?> Does the converter bolt right on the header or do I need more pipes?> I have to pickup and pay for this stuff on Monday so if any one can> give me some more info before hand please do.> Any special tools?>> (first exhaust job if you hadn't guessed!)>>>> ==>>> FROM,>   CLUTCH> IF YOUR NOT MUDDY,> GET IN, SIT DOWN, SHUT UP AND HANG ON> http://www.geocities.com/~muddyclutch> _________________________________________________________> DO YOU YAHOO!?> Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com>>> ============================================================================> Toyota 4x4 page: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota
 Since headers vary considerably from one manufacturer, you will probably
 have to wait till you get yours to find out what you need. Some header
 manufacturers include a new section of pipe to go between the header and
 cat, others do not. As far as the muffler goes, is it a direct OEM
 replacement? If so, it quite possibly will bolt up with little or no
 hassle. If not, you will probably need at least a good tube cutter in order
 to install it.
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 Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 20:39:57 -0400
 From: Earl Echon  Subject: Personal Bio Informatoin
 POST TO THE LIST ONLY>> toy4x4@tlca.org
 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 Name:Earl A. Echon
 City & State:Tampa, Florida
 Country:USA
 E-mail address:ee2@mindspring.com
 Toyota (s) year & model:1989 Toyota 4Runner
 Are you a TLCA Member (Y/N/Number?):n/a
 **please send informattion for TLCA**
 Age:36
 Occupation:Lan Team admin
 Marital Status:Single
 Hobbies:4wheeling, running, computers , paintball
 How did you find out about the Toyota 4x4 Mailing List: surfing the web.
 found from Alt.Toyota newsgroup
 General info about your vehicle, self, etc.:vehicle has 145 K miles & still
 rungs like a top.  am extremely proud of this vehicle. a majority of the
 car is still stock w/ the exception of a brush guard & nerf step bumpers, &
 Trail T/A tires.  I try to perform all the repairs myself ..
 thanks..
 Earl
 ee2@mindspring.com
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 Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 19:30:44 -0600
 From: "Mark "  Subject: Axel Seal??
 I was hoping someone could help with this before I go in and tear it all
 apart.
 How do I go about changing a real axel seal??? Do I need any special
 tools???
 If someone could go through the procedure it would be much appreciated.
 I've got a brake drum full of gear oil.
 Regards,
 Mark
 mnelson@shaw.wave.ca
 85 Toy 4X4
 3" Rancho Lift
 9000S Superwinch
 BFG M/T
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 Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 07:15:44
 From: Rick Murray  Subject: Stuff for sale - cheap
 Minor items, give-away prices, hate to just toss them :
 Front Valence - from '84 4Runner - white - good shape	    $20
 rear bumper - stock - from '84 4Runner 	- with brackets	    $20
 radiator fan - clutch type, from 22R motor		    $10
 rear storage access door - from '84 4Runner - grey	    $10
 shocks - Explorer ProComp ES3000 - very good shape	    $5 each
 front - for 3" lift  (part # 32051 ?)
 rear -  for 2" lift  (part # 32550 ?)
 chrome wheel and tire - perfect for spare		    $30
 15x8 wheel, spoke type, some rust
 33x12.50 Goodyear Wrangler MT - 3/8" tread left
 Sacramento, California area.  E-mail me direct, not to the list, if
 interested.
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 Rick Murray                                22R motor ; 3-inch lift
 84 Toyota 4Runner SR5                    33" BFG M/Ts ; 4.88 gears
 Rancho Cordova, Ca.                   Rancho 9000's ; on-board air
 http://www.jps.net/rick99/             Marlin TCase #67 ; TRD LSD
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 Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 19:30:10 -0700
 From: Gregg R Hayford  Subject: THORNBIRDS FOR SALE!!!!!
 Selling my Thornbirds in a week or so.  They are (4) 33 x 12.50's
 mounted on 10" Superior 5-lug chrome mods.  The tires have 95% plus
 tread left.  Have approx 3000 miles on them as of now.  Live in Spokane
 and will meet half way if you live in or around The Wa. area.  Leaving
 for Saudi Arabia on the 27th so either they have to be sold by then or
 will wait until I get back in Sept to sell them.  Asking $700.  Email
 for more details or check out my web page below for pictures.
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 Gregg R Hayford
 '93 Toy P/U
 22re 4 cyl.
 3" body
 33x12.50 Thornbirds
 15x10 wheels
 Http://www.geocities.com/baja/dunes/6290
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 Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 22:28:40 -0700
 From: Ben Harrison  Subject: Re: THORNBIRDS FOR SALE!!!!!
 can you clarify if that is with or without the rims?
 At 07:30 PM 4/11/98 -0700, you wrote:>Selling my Thornbirds in a week or so.  They are (4) 33 x 12.50's>mounted on 10" Superior 5-lug chrome mods.  The tires have 95% plus>tread left.  Have approx 3000 miles on them as of now.  Live in Spokane>and will meet half way if you live in or around The Wa. area.  Leaving>for Saudi Arabia on the 27th so either they have to be sold by then or>will wait until I get back in Sept to sell them.  Asking $700.  Email>for more details or check out my web page below for pictures.>>-->____________________>Gregg R Hayford>'93 Toy P/U>22re 4 cyl.>3" body>33x12.50 Thornbirds>15x10 wheels>Http://www.geocities.com/baja/dunes/6290>>>>============================================================================>Toyota 4x4 page: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota> ============================================================================
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 Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 23:56:43 -0400
 From: Sheldon Gardner  Subject: Rear Blocks> ----------------------------->> Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 15:28:33 -0500> From: Jack Alford > Subject: Re: rear blocks>>>>>>>         Downey off-road sells trick billet aluminum  1" rear blocks for> $65>>>  and they come with heavy-duty u-bolts.>>>>>>>I think I will be making them in that case...   :)  ($65 - ouch!!!)>> Who needs aluminum blocks anyway, many times the aluminum will fatigue> and split. You can make steel ones for less than $5 and they want ever> fail.>>  - jack>> ============================================================================> Toyota 4x4 page: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota
 Not to mention shims made out of cut off ends of springs. I always would crack and break my
 alum ones till a fellow turned me on to trimming off the end of a spring leaf.
 Sheldon
 atzmkt@flnet.com
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 Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 00:05:38 -0400
 From: Sheldon Gardner  Subject: Rear spring doctoring> k then, that agrees with everything I thought, but is contrary to the popular> thought on the list.  I keep hearing people say shackles increase articulation> better than blocks, but I have always failed to see how you could gain much.> Even longer shackles could not help me easily get to 4" of lift & still flex> well.>> After looking at all the info I have come across, I still see that my 3.5"> rear blocks with stock springs (overload leaf still there) flex extremely> well.  A torque bar would get rid of the only problem I have come across -> which is axle wrap.  I also like how the springs ar up higher & out of the> way.  If my springs start to sag - a set of used stock springs are way cheaper> that new lift springs.  I just can't figure out why people keep saying blocks> are so bad.  If someone has some input on this please reply.>> I guess I am still looking for someone to convince me to tinker with things,> but that old "if it ain't broke..." saying keeps popping up.>> - -------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Hey David as a side thought I went out today to really test mynew mazda spring setup and I had
 Zero wrap. I used 3 mazda leafs
 plus 2 downey "cut" and one Toy rear pack leaf. I have a bracket welded on the diff for a
 track bar and plan on installing it but the mazdas didn't wanna wrap at all.  Plus they flex
 like WOW!!!!! I need to get pics of my rig all crossed up it looks awesome, if anyone wants
 more flex  I highly suggest a Mazda setup well worth it.
 Sheldon
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 Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 23:29:54 -0500
 From: "Steve C."  Subject: Re: ARB web site?
 galensinkey@sprynet.com wrote:>> Does anybody know what the URL is for an ARB web site?>> Anybody know if they have an air locker for the Tacoma rear diff?>> Thanks,>> Galen
 Galen I think we are SOL on anything other than a lockright.  they make
 one for the front and rear.
 #1611 for the front and
 #1615 for the rear.
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 Steve Capuano			1996 Tacoma ext cab V6 4X4
 stevecapuano@geocities.com	32x11.50x15 BFG MT
 Houston, Texas			Rear LockRight  K&N filter
 Edelbrock headers
 NRA lifetime member		Dynomax 2.5" cat back
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 Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 00:23:08 EDT
 From: DRM033  Subject: Re: Rear spring doctoring
 In a message dated 98-04-12 00:07:51 EDT, you write:> Hey David as a side thought I went out today to really test mynew mazda> spring setup and I had>  Zero wrap. I used 3 mazda leafs>  plus 2 downey "cut" and one Toy rear pack leaf. I have a bracket welded on> the diff for a>  track bar and plan on installing it but the mazdas didn't wanna wrap at
 all.>  Plus they flex>  like WOW!!!!! I need to get pics of my rig all crossed up it looks awesome,> if anyone wants>  more flex  I highly suggest a Mazda setup well worth it.> Hurry up & get those pics!  I would like to see what you are getting with your
 swap.  Did you have the Downey leaves laying around?  I refuse to buy
 something like that from them.  I have read Jay's leaf combinations - any
 other leaf combinations people have used?  I would like to see what else
 works.
 I could probably just gather up all the old leaves from who-knows-what laying
 around & put something together if I had too.
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 David Moore                                 DRM033@aol.com
 TLCA #5662
 Traxx In Motion 4 Wheel Drive Club
 http://www.netmatter.com/traxx
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 Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 21:46:59 -0700
 From: Chris Geiger  Subject: Tire removal
 I have been wondering and working on a way to remove tires from the rims for repair on the trail.
 I have successful use a hilift jack to break the bead, but was unable to remove the tire from the
 rim. This is necessary to do an internal patch (yes I use plugs but inside patches work better,
 especially on the side wall (yes I know you should not patch the side wall)).   Mike Medart
 suggested using a 4' pry bar and soapy water and a little taping with a hammer. Has anyone tried
 this? does any one know of hand tools that would make this easy?
 RockRunner http://geiger.mcl.ucsb.edu/offroad.html
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 Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 22:15:57 -0700
 From: Daniel Ferris  Subject: body lift
 Hi yall, im planning on installing a 2in body lift on my 88 xtra cab next
 weekend and would like some tips. first of all its a automatic (any
 welding required?) im also worried about the steering column/shifter im
 currenty running cranked t bars, lo pro bump stops,2in blocks in
 rear.rancho rs 9000s in front,  33in dunlop mud rovers has anyone out
 there ever done a 2in body lift on a v6 auto/ I dont have any special
 tools, but would like to do this mod myself(shops around sacramento
 charge around 300) any tips or info would be greatly appreciated
 Hollis.......
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 Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 01:17:30 -0500
 From: Robert Stein  Subject: Re: Tire removal
 Chris Geiger wrote:>> I have been wondering and working on a way to remove tires from the rims for repair on the trail.> I have successful use a hilift jack to break the bead, but was unable to remove the tire from the> rim. This is necessary to do an internal patch (yes I use plugs but inside patches work better,> especially on the side wall (yes I know you should not patch the side wall)).   Mike Medart> suggested using a 4' pry bar and soapy water and a little taping with a hammer. Has anyone tried> this? does any one know of hand tools that would make this easy?>> RockRunner http://geiger.mcl.ucsb.edu/offroad.html
 If you can find a set of "Spoons" used for doing semi truck tires or
 implement tires, it really helps. ANYWAY you look at it or go about it
 is still a pain by hand. We did LOTS of tires this way in my younger
 days to save a buck at the tire shop :)
 BTW , any heavy truck parts store ought to have tire spoons.
 Just a thought :)
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 Robert Stein        rjstein@lawtonok.net       `85 SR5 X-Tra Cab
 TLCA MEMBER# 7321   rrbbs@juno.com              STOCK 22R-E Motor
 Lawton,Okla     rjstein@wolverine.cameron.edu   12+" Lift<2"body> http://www.lawtonok.net/rjstein/toyota.html    33x14.50x15 Mickey's
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 Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 22:46:44 -0700
 From: Chris Geiger  Subject: Re: body lift
 I did a one inch body lift on my 93 4Runner, it was a easy job compared to the
 4" procomp lift I had installed and later removed. Make sure all the body bolts
 are loose before you jack up one side to put the blocks in. You may need to drop
 the radiator. I am not sure what shifter problems you may have as mine is a 5
 speed. I needed to cut the sheet metal around the tranny shifter just a little.
 The lift took about 3 hours to install and 2 more to modify my TJM bumper.
 RockRunner http://geiger.mcl.ucsb.edu/offroad.html
 Daniel Ferris wrote:> Hi yall, im planning on installing a 2in body lift on my 88 xtra cab next> weekend and would like some tips. first of all its a automatic (any> welding required?) im also worried about the steering column/shifter im> currenty running cranked t bars, lo pro bump stops,2in blocks in> rear.rancho rs 9000s in front,  33in dunlop mud rovers has anyone out> there ever done a 2in body lift on a v6 auto/ I dont have any special> tools, but would like to do this mod myself(shops around sacramento> charge around 300) any tips or info would be greatly appreciated> Hollis.......>> ============================================================================> Toyota 4x4 page: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota
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 Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 21:48:24 -0500
 From: Michael Woodruff  Subject: 4RUNNER 4 SALE
 Sadly, due to $$, I'm selling my 95' SR5 4Runner. If anyone out there is
 looking for one.....this is the one to buy.  It came off the boat to me and
 has been meticulously maintained every since August of 95'.  Mobil 1 EVERY
 3k, (that crap's expensive!)  Rig has a ton of extras, just a few...Downey 1
 1/2 lift to rear, Downey air cleaner, alarm, cd changer, grill guard, nerf
 bars, 5 Speed, factory 31" tires, forest green, 39k miles.
 Anybody interested can email me or call 817 263 0446.  We're in Fort
 Worth, TX. (unfortunately)
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 Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 22:14:37 EDT
 From: Johosophat  Subject: manual locking hubs
 ok. . .so toyota makes hubs that are so easy to use that i have heard reports
 of monkeys being trained to use them properly, some how i managed to only
 disengadge the drivers side hub half way (not eaxactly sure how long it was
 like this) last night i heard a clicking sound (like the front locker was
 ratchiting) when i went around turns so when i got to the next light i jump
 out and sure enough its only half disengaged. the front axle was never engaged
 druring this time period, but i could have been like this for 2 weeks (cause
 the radio is too loud)  i havent had time to put it in 4x4 to see if it still
 works, do you guys think its alright or did i blow something?
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 Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 19:25:20 -0700
 From: Jim Brink  Subject: Re: Axel Seal??
 Mark wrote:>> I was hoping someone could help with this before I go in and tear it all> apart.> How do I go about changing a real axel seal??? Do I need any special> tools???> If someone could go through the procedure it would be much appreciated.> I've got a brake drum full of gear oil.
 This is the inner axle oil seal. You will need to pull the axle shaft
 and backing plate out and press the bearing from the axle to access to
 seal. Most machine shops can perform this operation.
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 Jim Brink, Toyota/ASE Certified Technician	1986 Toyota Std. Bed 4WD
 Manhattan Beach, CA				32x11.50/15 BFG M/Ts
 ToyTech@Off-Road.com
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 Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 23:00:32 -0000
 From: runars@isbank.is
 Subject: Lift laws....
 Thought some might be intressed in this.
 Congrats Colarado for your victory...
 http://www.sema.org/trade/fedleg/stateredhot/colorado.html
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 Runar Sigurjonsson
 runars@isbank.is
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 Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 12:34:37 -0700
 From: eric@qnis.net
 Subject: To: Rick  others- please disregard.
 Rick,
 My Internet server would not accept the address "Rick " as valid.
 If you send a valid address, I can respond.
 Thanks,
 Eric
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 Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 12:32:50 -0700
 From: eric@qnis.net
 Subject: To: Rick  others- please disregard.
 Rick,
 My Internet server would not accept the address "Rick " as valid.
 If you send a valid address, I can respond.
 Thanks,
 Eric
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 Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 09:58:46 -0700
 From: Eric_Stegall@amat.com
 Subject: San Luis Obispo 4WD Clubs
 Joey,
 I went to school at Cal Poly and they have a few clubs in the area.  I
 believe SLO 4 Wheelers is based just north of SLO (10 miles)  in Santa
 Margarita and Cal Poly has a club called the Poly Goats.  I remember a few
 years ago during an "open house" at Cal Poly, the Poly Goats were showing
 off their rigs by driving over a few cars in the parking lot.  That got
 lots of attention.  It was kind of like watching monster trucks, but with
 rigs from stock to $$$$ all doing it.  There are so many places to go
 wheeling in SLO.  E-mail me and I'll let you know about more places.  Oh
 yeah, if you are into motorcycles, there is also a club on campus called
 the Penguins (I think).
 Eric
 San Jose, CA
 78 FJ40  91 X-Cab
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 Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 00:10:56 -0700
 From: eric@qnis.net
 Subject: Project 86 RTE (turbo) 4x4 for sale
 Howdy folks,
 I'm selling my truck to buy something I don't have to work on. I'm
 interested in trades too.
 My truck has some really nice points and some really bad ones; it may be
 best suited as a project truck or a parts truck, but I drive it every day.
 First, here are the good points:
 1. Factory air conditioning that works well.
 2. New front wheel bearings, inner and outer... very expensive...
 3. New front rotors, calipers and pads; turned rear drums with new shoes
 and wheel cylinders...
 new rear wheel bearings too... also very expensive.
 4. The motor has 25,000 miles on it. The guy I bought it from had a shop
 install a rebuilt motor.
 I have the receipt. The cam chain was making noise though, so I took it
 apart. The plastic guide
 on the driver's side was splitting. ( I can't believe the guides are
 made of plastic...)
 I installed a new chain, tensioner and guides. Everything looked fine
 except the one guide, but
 I bought a kit from NAPA, so I used all the new parts. Compression reads
 150-150-135-135. I
 think the rest of the motor is in good shape. when the turbo kicks in,
 it sure makes power.
 5. New (less than a year old) high-flow CAT, 2 1/4 aluminized exhaust and a
 high-flow muffler.
 6. Rancho RS 5000 shocks -- way too stiff for me, but some folks like them.
 7. Polished factory alloys in flawless shape with about 5000 miles on a set
 of BF Goodrich A/T 30x9.50
 8. The suspension is all nice and tight; I don't know when it's been
 replaced, but it obviously has.
 9. Push bar
 Now, the bad stuff:
 1. The rear differential clunks.
 2. The trans will sometimes jump out of first gear.
 3. The body is pretty much OK, but the bed has some damage.
 4. The turbocharger is letting some oil past the seals.
 5. The seat is very uncomfortable.
 6. The front differential has a problem; the lash feels nice, but one of
 the "flanges" is sloppy.
 7. Both front axels are junk.
 The bottom line is that it needs obvious work, but I drive it daily and
 it's never failed me. I have a stack of receipts that the last owner passed
 on to me and I have added more than a few myself. You may be interested in
 these details.
 If there's any interest, email me directly and I'll give you my phone
 number so you can ask anything I didn't list.
 I am selling the truck because I have a new career that demands my full
 attention. I have no time for a project.
 Thanks,
 Eric (central California)
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 Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:21:34 -0600 (MDT)
 From: Scott Ellinger  Subject: Re: BUMP STOPS?> ..Ok here's the deal,  I have an 85 SR5, and the bump stops are axle> mounted.  Replacement stops aren't cheap.  What I want to know is, is there> is any reason why I can't drill a hole into the piece of the frame that the> bump stop hits, and mount a universal bump stop in it.  So now the bump> stop will be frame mounted.  I think other truck manufacturers use the same> set-up.   It will save me $$$, and if I ever need to replace them again  I> wont have to loosen the u bolts.  Thanks,> Yeah, sure.  In fact, there are a few setups that use a spacer and a bump
 stop bolted onto (or welded on) that little tab.
 - --scott
 Scott Ellinger   ellinger@holly.colostate.edu   Larimer County 4WD Club
 Visit my Home Page: http://holly.colostate.edu/~ellinger
 Please help me make Four Wheeler's Top Truck Challenge '98--vote #28 on
 the Top Truck ballot in the May '98 issue of Four Wheeler Magazine!
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 Date: Thu, 9 Apr 98 10:32:51 -0800
 From: Peter_Mathisen@dgw.com
 Subject: FWD> Welcome to toy4x4-dige
 FWD> Welcome to toy4x4-digest
 To toy4x4@tlca.org
 ===========================
 Personal Bio Info
 ==========================
 Name: Peter Mathisen
 City & State: Peyton Colorado
 Country: ElPaso
 E-mail address: peter_mathisen@dgw.com
 Toyota (s) year & model: 1985 4Runner
 Are you a TLCA Member (Y/N/Number?): No not yet will be soon
 Age: 29
 Occupation: sales
 Marital Status: married with four kids
 Hobbies: four wheeling and more four wheeling
 How did you find out about the Toyota 4x4 Mailing List:
 link from t4x4pickup.com
 General info about your vehicle, self, etc.: the 4runner is
 stock but will be getting dual t-cases and air lockers
 w/lower gears.  I love to four wheel and this 4runner is my
 6th Toy.  I have had three '81s a '79 pickups and a '84
 x-cab. I wounded a 4Runner cuz the family like to go four
 wheeling with me. I am looking for a 60/40 split bench seat
 for the front so we all can take the 4Runner. now we use the
 '88 chevy sub. I miss the old trucks one day I will have a
 Toyota truck. But I love the 4Runner. it has the EFI and
 live axle it's what I need.
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 Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 21:55:46 -0230
 From: "ryan dias"  Subject: HID lighting
 Has anyone invested in any High Intensity Discharge lighting systems?  I
 love the idea, the price sucks but, i will scrounge if i can find a nice
 system.  Has anyone experience with Hella, Piaa, Toyota?? OThers?
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 Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 22:50:52 -0400
 From: schein@juno.com (Dan Schein)
 Subject: IFS articulation
 Took my 86 out yesterday for its maiden off-rd voyage. The rear
 suspension performed (twisted & flexed) very good but the front didn't.
 So what should I be checking / modifying to (#1) verify my front travel
 and (#2) increase it?
 - -Dan
 PS: The sway bar is in the shed on the floor...
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 Dan Schein Esq. -=- schein@juno.com -=- Reading, PA USA
 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Garage/1978
 Member of TLCA (#6687) and the Keystone Cruisers chapter
 Proud owner of Jo, a 1978 Fj40 Toyota LandCruiser
 86 Hilux, 73 Hurst/Olds, 88 Honda Civic, 93 Pontiac Transport
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 Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 20:28:50 -0500
 From: "David Ohendalski"  Subject: Re: 4RUNNER REAR BUMBERS
 You can try:
 http://www.nippondirect.com/
 But I don't know anything about them. Later ~dso
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 From: Rudy  To: toy4x4@tlca.org  Date: Friday, April 10, 1998 11:46 PM
 Subject: 4RUNNER REAR BUMBERS>DOES ANYONE KNOW OF A COMPANY  THAT SELLS AFTERMARKET (OR GEN. TOY) REAR>CHROME BUMBERS, ROOF RACKS AND REAR SPOILER ACCESSORIES FOR A 1992>TOYOTA 4RUNNER.>>PLEASE EMAIL WITH NAME, ADDRESS OR TELEPHONE NUMBER>>R U D Y -  TRIPLER@BELLSOUTH.NET>>===========================================================================
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 Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 22:45:24 -0400
 From: schein@juno.com (Dan Schein)
 Subject: Rear brake porportion valve
 Ok im familiar w/what the rear brake proprtion valve does. What I want
 to know is how do I set mine correctly? My truck (86 long bed 4x4) has
 1.5" lift blocks in the rear. Currently the road appears bent so the
 valve is down (towards axle. away from bed). This results in the rear
 brakes locking first. If I unbolt the rod and tie it up thefront brakes
 lock and the rear axel skips (hops).
 So where should this be set? Halfway?
 -Dan
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 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Garage/1978
 Member of TLCA (#6687) and the Keystone Cruisers chapter
 Proud owner of Jo, a 1978 Fj40 Toyota LandCruiser
 86 Hilux, 73 Hurst/Olds, 88 Honda Civic, 93 Pontiac Transport
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 Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 15:03:32 -0800
 From: Jeff Moskovitz  Subject: Re: Turbo Timers
 Agustinus Gunawan wrote:>Do you have any information about affordable Turbo Timer?>I am getting tired waiting for the turbo to cool down every time.
 Actually, I might have some information for you.  A few weeks ago I was
 browsing through some MR2 sites, and came across a guy who was selling
 some turbo timers pretty cheaply, like for  around $65.  These were not
 "name brand" timers, but were manufactured somewhere in Asia and marketed
 under the "Ultra" brand name in Japan. I don't know how full featured
 they are/were. He only had six left (and this was two or three weeks
 ago).  The page with the information is:
 http://mr2.fyi.net/partsale.html#ACCESSORIESFORSALE  His post is titled
 "Cheap Turbo Timer For Sale"
 Hope this helps.
 Jeff Moskovitz
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 Jeff Moskovitz                                 1986 22R-TE truck
 Senior Support Specialist                      intercooler, 2.5" exhaust,
 FileMaker, Inc.                                Random Tech cat, DynoMax
 muffler, Rancho RS9000,
 jeff_moskovitz@filemaker.com                   lots 'o stereo.
 mosk@well.com
 http://www.well.com/user/mosk
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 Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 10:16:14 -0600 (MDT)
 From: Scott Ellinger  Subject: Re: Tire removal> I have been wondering and working on a way to remove tires from the rims for repair on the trail.> I have successful use a hilift jack to break the bead, but was unable to remove the tire from the> rim. This is necessary to do an internal patch (yes I use plugs but inside patches work better,> especially on the side wall (yes I know you should not patch the side wall)).   Mike Medart> suggested using a 4' pry bar and soapy water and a little taping with a hammer. Has anyone tried> this? does any one know of hand tools that would make this easy?> In a pinch, I've used 1x1 angle iron and a chunk of a 2x4, both about three or four feet
 long.  Not that it's a good way to do it, but it does work.
 I just broke down both beads, then pried the tire off the rim, one bead at a time, just
 like you would with a bicycle tire (but it's a lot more work with a truck tire) working
 slowly around the bead.
 Getting it back on the rim is equally challenging, but can be done with the same tools.
 Oh, and I've only ever done this with semi-mangled steel wheels; this technique could
 destroy aluminum rims.
 - --scott
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 Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 17:22:37 -0500
 From: Robert Stein  Subject: Re: body lift
 Chris Geiger wrote:>> I did a one inch body lift on my 93 4Runner, it was a easy job compared to the> 4" procomp lift I had installed and later removed. Make sure all the body bolts> are loose before you jack up one side to put the blocks in. You may need to drop> the radiator. I am not sure what shifter problems you may have as mine is a 5> speed. I needed to cut the sheet metal around the tranny shifter just a little.> The lift took about 3 hours to install and 2 more to modify my TJM bumper.>> RockRunner http://geiger.mcl.ucsb.edu/offroad.html>> Daniel Ferris wrote:>>> Hi yall, im planning on installing a 2in body lift on my 88 xtra cab>> currenty running cranked t bars, lo pro bump stops,2in blocks in>> rear.rancho rs 9000s in front,  33in dunlop mud rovers has anyone
 And DON'T forget to lengthen the clutch hose all you standard tranny
 folks  The stock one is just a LITTLE toshort with a 2" lift ..
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 TLCA MEMBER# 7321   rrbbs@juno.com              STOCK 22R-E Motor
 Lawton,Okla     rjstein@wolverine.cameron.edu   12+" Lift<2"body> http://www.lawtonok.net/rjstein/toyota.html    33x14.50x15 Mickey's
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 Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 10:31:52 -0600 (MDT)
 From: Scott Ellinger  Subject: Re: Scott Ellinger at last.......> Are you sure you want to sacrifice your truck to the TTC gods @> Fourwheeler?  After reading Glenn Wakefields write-up on that, it sounds> like he basically sacrificed a well-built Sammy on those 6 foot deep water> pits they'll make you drive through so they can get cool pics in their> magazine and on their video.>> I'll certainly be happy to vote for you, but I wonder if FOURWHEELER would> ever put one of its own build-ups through the same ridiculous obstacles> they make the competitors do.> Well, I'm sure I'd like to do it.  I built the truck for severe abuse, and
 if it gets destroyed, the vast majority of parts can be rebuilt cheap and
 easy and installed onto another one.
 Whether or not it's a good idea to do this is debateable, but when there's
 more than enough recovery equipment standing by to retrieve me, I don't
 mind taking the risk of getting badly stuck like that.
 When it comes to 'wheeling, though, I tend to be a whole lot more
 conservative in what I'll try vs. what I'll bypass, depending on what my
 chances of success are, and even more so on what my companions in the area
 can do to retrieve me.
 For example, I would probably bypass the worst (best?) of the obstacles on
 the Rubicon if I didn't have someone along with another truck capable of
 flipping mine over; however, with an entire club along, and several strong
 winches, I'd be much more comfortable risking a rollover in, say, Little
 Sluice.
 Regardless of whether I get to go, however, I'm building a rollcage and
 fully skidplated nerf bars sometime this (or next) month, and will keep
 building for the kind of terrain that they create for TTC.
 As I see it, though, TTC has some of the most severe of all kinds of
 terrain rolled into one week.  There are probably individually extreme
 trails all over the country that would rival and even surpass TTC, (this
 may be a point of debate) but the idea behind TTC is to bring them all
 together, along with ten trucks whose owners think can surpass all of the
 obstacles.  The idea is to find the weaknesses of the mud trucks (rocks),
 those of the rock trucks (mud), those of the long wheelbases (maneuvering)
 and those of the short wheelbases (climbing).
 Or in other words, as I think you have accurately observed, there's
 something there to get everyone stuck.  I'd like to try my hand at it, and
 see where I get stuck.
 - --scott
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 Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 07:36:06 -0600 (MDT)
 From: Scott Ellinger  Subject: Re: IFS articulation> Took my 86 out yesterday for its maiden off-rd voyage. The rear> suspension performed (twisted & flexed) very good but the front didn't.> So what should I be checking / modifying to (#1) verify my front travel> and (#2) increase it?>> PS: The sway bar is in the shed on the floor...
 Hee hee hee... you've just opened my very favorite can of worms.
 Verifying the front wheel travel is pretty easy; just measure from a
 point on the front fender down to the hub, and do the same on the
 other side.  The difference (assuming you do this with the truck fully
 twisted up) is your wheel travel, neglecting the effects of tire squat.
 Increasing it is somewhat trickier, and often expensive.  In order to
 help best, though, I need to know what's under it for suspension, body
 lift, tires, maybe even wheel offset.  Some things can be combined for
 more travel, but some others just get in the way.
 For example, you can combine suspensions from Trailmaster (or ProComp
 Stage I) and Rancho to get more travel, you can use just Rancho parts
 to do it, or you can use some Trailmaster and some custom stuff....
 the list goes on and on.
 Keep in mind, though, that Toyota designed the front suspension around
 the limits of the inner CV joints, and if you exceed those limits, the
 CV's will bind and shatter, which will make a mess and possibly ruin
 your day.  There are ways around this, but they're usually pretty
 pricey.
 - --scott
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 Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:37:40 -0400
 From: Ed.Wong@astramerck.com
 Subject: OEM Tires
 David asked:
 As far as I know tires are not made for a specific vehicle.
 If someone has info to the contrary - please share.
 - ----
 The manuf's - becausethey are buying *alot* of tires, have
 leverage with their suppliers :)
 I cant cite a case by case example - but I have heard through
 reputable sources (aka AutoWeek) that the manufs do indeed
 specify different tires for their cars. To confuse matters,
 they even have these specs translated into existing tire
 models and tread patterns. This means that the "brand M"
 tire that you by at the local tire shop *may* not be
 the same as the "brand M" tire that came on the vehicle
 from the factory - even if the size and model are the same!
 The manufs do this for a number of reasons
 * epa mpg rules
 * noise / vibration
 * cost
 The major issue is that I dont think the average "joe" on the
 street has access to these "special" tires - or that anyone
 can ID them even if they had one.
 EWong
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 Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 07:42:21 -0600 (MDT)
 From: Scott Ellinger  Subject: Re: Rear brake porportion valve>  Ok im familiar w/what the rear brake proprtion valve does. What I want> to know is how do I set mine correctly? My truck (86 long bed 4x4) has> 1.5" lift blocks in the rear. Currently the road appears bent so the> valve is down (towards axle. away from bed). This results in the rear> brakes locking first. If I unbolt the rod and tie it up thefront brakes> lock and the rear axel skips (hops).>>  So where should this be set? Halfway?> When I still had the stock LSPV on mine, I set it by driving on a hardpack
 dirt road, and adjusting it back and forth until the front brakes would
 lock just barely before the rears.
 However, I strongly urge anyone with a stock Toyota LSPV to toss it; in
 the event of front brake failure (blown wheel cylinder, burst hose, etc.)
 you won't have any rear service brakes either.  The LSPV proportions rear
 brake pressure relative to front pressure, and if there's no front brake
 pressure, you're hosed.
 This only became an issue for me when I got the opportunity to buy a new
 tailgate for an early fullsize Blazer... good thing it wasn't a little
 passenger car.
 And a really good thing it didn't happen in the mountains.
 - --scott
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