Toyota 4x4 digest:       Monday, March 30 1998       Volume 01 : Number 793
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 Re: Engine swaps
 Wheel adapters
 Re: Lost mileage
 Re: electric fans/mud
 Re: Other Toyota A/C units...
 vortec v-6
 Bio Form
 Re: George Washington National Forest trip
 Test
 EGR
 Tuff Country Sus. Lift
 383, Deer collision, Magazine article and other stuff
 Is the "Toyota List" down?
 Free Bumper /brushguard
 Engines and personal Bio.
 bio
 Re: Other Toyota A/C units...
 re: George Washington National Forest trip
 brake lines and warn hubs
 electric fans/mud
 Re: Factory Toyota Clutch
 Re: Torsions
 air deflector
 Speakers...
 bio info
 Lost mileage
 3" wider ifs axle
 LockRight Prices
 Re:  NWOR Hiring..
 Re:  '87 Toyota 4runner 4-sale
 Re: Toyota 4x4 digest: V1 #790
 3.0 headgaskets in Canada
 Fill Plug Removal on Front Diff (86 IFS)
 Engine Swap
 Re: vortec v-6
 4Runner Cover Top
 Elec Fan  mud/water
 Re: Fill Plug Removal on Front Diff (86 IFS)
 Tranny Fill Plug
 TEST (Please ignore!)
 Re: Tuff Country Sus. Lift
 2wd rear u-bolts
 PERSONAL BIO
 Re: air deflector
 BIO
 96 4Runner
 Ford V8 Swap
 EGR GOOP
 Re: Tranny Fill Plug
 Re: brake lines and warn hubs
 bio
 Personal bio information
 Personal bio information
 interesting xfer
 Re: 3" wider ifs axle
 Re: interesting xfer
 bio. info
 Transfer Oil Cooler Relocation
 Re: Faith in Humanity Restored!
 Re: SOS - MAYDAY - HELP and all those things
 Center Caps w/ Manual Hubs
 Re: Free Bumper /brushguard
 Lockrite instructions
 Re: clutch fan
 Re: Tuff Country Sus. Lift
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 Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 08:00:37 -1000
 From: m.rowe@tomrowe.com
 Subject: Re: Engine swaps>And please no Chevy/Toyota comparison stuff! Just the>straight poop on 383's! (I don't know much about them)
 The 383 stroker (what they call a 350 with longer stroke) is a solid
 engine.
 If it was built right and is using stock hardware as far as intake and
 carbs
 it should produce well over the hp you mentioned. Maybe they're
 measuring at
 the crank or wheel or steering wheel. Maybe that's why it seems low, who
 knows. But the main thing is it will be a reliable and definitely
 torquey
 engine. If you have the cash to drop and want it do it. There's one
 thing to
 consider is that if you ever have to buy parts you'll need an intimate
 knowledge of the different parts layout and how they affect spacing such
 as
 sump clearances, oil pan sizes, piston clearance, valvage, etc. A stock
 motor is always easier to work on unless you've built up a stroker
 engine.
 Michael Rowe
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 Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 11:05:25 -0700
 From: "Jay Kopycinski"  Subject: Wheel adapters
 Ben Harrison  wrote:>Does anyone know if (or where) i can find toyota 5 lug (Jeep, Ford) to>Toyota 6 lug adapters?  I'm trying to put SR5 4X4 rims on a 4X2.
 Check out:
 http://www.salesco.com/wheels/adapters.htm
 Jay Kopycinski    '85 Toylet  (ROKTOY)
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 Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 07:52:41 -1000 (HST)
 From: Eric Johnson  Subject: Re: Lost mileage> 1.  Tire deformation-  As your tire rotates around, a new piece of tread is> always being deformed by the weight of the truck.  You will notice that it> is easier to push your truck on flat ground if you have inflated the hell> out of your tires.  The tires are much harder at higher pressure and deform> less (contact patch is also smaller).  This force is fairly constant, but> the power required to overcome it increases linearly with velocity> (power=force x velocity).  Depending on the tire, you may have changed> these forces a bit.
 Isn't it even worse that that? I thought the force (rolling resistance)
 was proportional with the speed, requiring power to be squared to
 overcome it.> 2.  Inertial forces-  These are forces required to get all the parts of the> drivetrain moving.  Gears and Drivelines, and the crank, and all things> that rotate have inertia properties, and it takes torque to get them> moving.  I don't right away remember how these inertial forces relate to> truck velocity, but for this example its not important, because you have> only slightly changed them (you changed the inertia properties of the tire> because its bigger).
 Agreed - and its rotating mass too, so you have to consider both regular
 and rotating mass inertia as well. This adds up in a hurry.> 3.  Forces to climb hills-  It takes power to essentially lift the truck> away from the center of the earth.  The weight of the truck has not changed> enough with the new tires to consider it, so this force will not alter your> fuel usage.
 agreed.> 4.  Air Drag-  As your truck moves through the air, there is frictional> drag.  This drage is related to the shape of the truck and the frontal> area.  The force is also proportional to the velocity of air flowing over> the truck.  This is the big one, because when power input is considered,> (power=force x velocity) we see that power to overcome air drag is> proportional to the velocity squared.  That means if you double your speed,> you have quadrupled the power required of your engine to hold that speed.
 Actually, i think you're off by a factor of power again here. As I recall,
 air resistance goes up with the square of the speed, so power would have
 to be cubed to overcome? This is why our trucks get so much better mileage
 at 55 than 65! :)> By lifting your truck with larger tires, you have increased the frontal> area a little.
 the width of the tires plays a roll here too.>  This means that you have increased the power required to> move your truck down the road (through the air) especially at speeds.  If> the tires are underinflated, this will also draw power, as will heavier> tires with a larger diameter.>> I haven't calculated how much of a decrease in miles per gallon you should> expect with that increase in tire size, but you should expext some.  If> nothing else on your truck has changed, the tires may be the cause of your> drop in fuel economy.
 Agreed. Its nice to see some real physics on this list once in a while :)
 The upshot for fuel economy is to have small skinny tires, inflated full,
 on a lightweight aerodynamic vehicle travelling at a reasonable speed.
 Toyotas lose on all counts, especially when we build them for 4x4ing.
 For a fascinating physics-heavy discussion on this subject, check out
 http://members.home.net/rck/phor/06-Speed.html
 His whole 'physics of racing' series is quite awesome, and far more
 applicable to 4x4ing that you might first think.
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 Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 07:59:30 -1000 (HST)
 From: Eric Johnson  Subject: Re: electric fans/mud> This made me realize that my stock fan has a plastic shroud ring around the> outside edges of the blades. Is this made to prevent breaking off a blade if> you find yourself in water up to the bottom of the fan or is it just> something an engineer did for fun?
 Neither. The shround dramatically increases the efficiency of the fan to
 pull air through the radiator, rather than just stirring up all the air
 behind it.
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 Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 11:00:26 -0800
 From: Scott Muir  Subject: Re: Other Toyota A/C units...
 Scott Muir wrote:>> I need a few opionins on this, please.>> I want air-conditioning.  I've been biding my time as I always do, but> I've got> an opportunity now to do something about it.  They are new units, but> from later> model small Toy sedans (89 tercel w/no power steering and 95 camry.)> What I> wanna know is, how similar are these systems to the one that would drop> into an> 85 sr5 xtracab?  If the 3 main components are the same (compressor,> condensor,> and evaporator) I think I can manage the wiring and the piping.  Is> there more> to this than these 5 components?  I can probably fab the brackets> without any> problems.>> Thanks, Scott.
 Hey, I know this guy.  He's a little annoying, and I think he might be a little
 anxious about
 this A/C thing.  Can anyone add some words of wisdom that will shut him up? Some
 people's
 kids... honestly!
 Scott.
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 Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 13:03:46 -0800
 From: "heather or kevin"  Subject: vortec v-6
 Hey all-
 I recently read a conversation about the H.P. in the v-6 chevy/GMC engine.
 I had a '97 GMC Sierra w/ the v-6, but hated the payments and the
 inability to tinker (I bought it brand new)  so I sold it and got back my
 2nd Toy ('92 x-cab 4x4)
 I believe from '96 on chevy revamped their engines and got 200HP @ 4400
 rpm's.  I know for sure they did in '97 in their trucks.   So that may be a
 better candidate for some of you, if you can find a wrecked one.
 Tryin to help
 Kevin Boline
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 Date: Fri, 27 Mar 98 11:37:07 -0800
 From: dquezada@diabloresearch.com
 Subject: Bio Form
 POST TO THE LIST ONLY>> toy4x4@tlca.org
 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 Name:Dan Quezada
 City & State:San Jose, CA
 Country: 'Merica
 E-mail address:dquezada@diabloresearch.com
 Toyota (s) year & model:1985 4runner
 Are you a TLCA Member (Y/N/Number?):Nope
 Age:25
 Occupation:R and D Technician
 Marital Status: Single
 Hobbies:Watching TV, spending all my money on my trucks
 How did you find out about the Toyota 4x4 Mailing List: offroad.com
 General info about your vehicle, self, etc.:
 I got bitten by the wheeling bug in the summer of 96, when I
 bought my Jeep, a 71 cj5 - it's still my main trail vehicle. I joined
 Esprit De Four, a local 4wheel drive club, in December of 96.
 I bought my 4runner last August because I wanted a vehicle that
 could do some mild trails, take me through snow on trips to the
 Sierras (puttin' on chains sucks), haul crap around town (always seems
 to be friends' crap), get decent (getting worse) mileage, and be
 relatively comfortable (have doors and a heater). For the most part, I
 love it. Since I purchased the truck, I added 31's, rims, three inches
 of Downey lift, and RS9000's out back. CB, etc. as well.
 I've always been one to try and do as much work on my vehicles
 myself, so I appreciate the hints and advice I can get from the list.
 Thanks.
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 Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:14:30 -0500
 From: Charles Brooks  Subject: Re: George Washington National Forest trip
 Jason Matthews wrote:>> Myself and a few friends [possibly 3 vehicles] might be interested [depending on> scheduling, or course, as always], if it is an open invitation.>> We'd be heading up from Raleigh, NC.>> Any information you might have would be appreciated!
 The trip is being put on by the Baltimore 4wheelers on April 30,
 May 1, May 2. There's a big schedule and registration form and
 stuff so I'll just post there "hotline"  (410)668-3430
 They are charging for the trip if you want to be included in
 the activities. I think it's 35 bucks.
 Charles Brooks
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 Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 10:49:51 -0500
 From: Chris Knight  Subject: Test
 This is only a test!
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 Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 02:29:33 -0600
 From: Michael Woodruff  Subject: EGR
 What would cause the egr plumbing to have gooey oil as well as soot
 inside?  I pulled mine off to clean and found unexpected goop inside....can
 a bad pcv valve do this?  It's a 22re.  BTW,  I pulled the throttle body and
 fuel injectors as well.  They are on there way to LC engineering for
 tweaks.....will advise on improvements.  THANKS!
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 Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 23:54:48 -0800
 From: Gregg R Hayford  Subject: Tuff Country Sus. Lift
 Just have a quick question.  Ran down to Les Schwab today just to talk
 to them about sus lift and see what they were asking or them.  We talked
 a little and I asked what he recommended and he said the Tuff Country
 lift is the best one out there for the Toy af of now.  To be honest,  I
 have never heard of this lift before.  I'm used to Rancho, Trailmaster,
 Superlift, ProComp,  but no Tuff Country.  I've gone through all the old
 threads concerning sus lifts and no reference to them either.  Anyone
 heard of it??  Pro and cons???  From what the guy said ALL the parts are
 single pieces.  There are NO welds in the kit,  thus making it more
 sturdier than most of the other ones.  He said the kit is running
 somewhere around 750 and install is about 240.  Said that will include
 everything.  Brake lines extended,  shocks,  etc...  This sound like a
 good deal.  Before now I had my eye set on the ProComp but not sure
 now.  Although hopefully my friend will come through and I will have a
 4" Trailmaster at a very cheap price.  Appreciate any help and any
 references to web pages where I could get more info on this lift.
 Thanks
 Gregg
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 Gregg R Hayford
 '93 Toy P/U
 22re 4 cyl.
 3" body
 33x12.50 Thornbirds
 15x10 wheels
 Http://www.geocities.com/baja/dunes/6290
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 Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 13:28:04 -0500
 From: Charles Brooks  Subject: 383, Deer collision, Magazine article and other stuff
 Well, I made an appt. to go get the 383 yesterday night
 but the guy called me and said he had to reschedule so
 I was on mmy way over there this morning and I run into
 2 deer! Not too much damage but enough. I had to
 straighten the fender with the help of a tree and a
 come-along. My homemade bumper faired well but the bumper
 mounts on the truck didn't. My grill is trashed along
 with the plastic assembly that holds the side marker
 lights.
 Anyway after driving the truck back home I
 hop into my car and head off to get the motor. When I get
 there the guy says "Shoot, you're 2 hours late so I sold
 it to some kid 20 minutes ago"   AAAARRRRGGGGG! What a
 day!
 Well on the way back I stopped off at a convenience store
 to pick up the issue of 4wheeler I saw mentioned.
 I couldn't find it but I did find the May issue of 4X4 Power
 they have a good article on rebuilding Birfields.
 I'm gonna go take some aspirin and a nap  :) E-ya later
 Charles Brooks
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 Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 23:01:37 -0800
 From: Dee Smith  Subject: Is the "Toyota List" down?
 Sorry to "post" this to the whole list. So i'll keep this breif,
 is the "list" having No Traffic? or have I been "booted-off" of it?
 Regards,
 M.D. Smith, V   TLCA #7039    '86 Toyota 4Runner 22R EFI w/ Auto trans.
 aka "Dee Smith"
 Huntsville, Alabama
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 Date: 28 Mar 98 21:47:02 -0400
 From: "Karl Bellve"  Subject: Free Bumper /brushguard
 I have the bumper off my 1985 4Runner to give away. It has a chrome
 brushguard. I would rather give it to someone in Massachusetts but if
 the person was willing to pay shipping, then I would ship it.
 It is a standard toyota black tinfoil bumper with black endcaps. Some
 rust where one of the end caps attach. Chrome brushguard is heavy duty
 with slight rusts that can be removed with steel wool.
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 Cheers,
 Dr. Karl Bellve
 Biomedical Imaging Group
 University of Massachusetts
 WWW  : http://molmed.ummed.edu/~kdb/
 Email: kdb@molmed.ummed.edu
 Phone: (508) 856-3785
 Fax  : (508) 856-1840
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 Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 09:44:49 -0800
 From: "Terry Winge"  Subject: Engines and personal Bio.
 Name:							Terry Winge
 City & State:					Bremerton, WA
 Country:						US of A
 E-mail address:					twing@nwinet.com
 Toyota (s) year & model:			1981 4x4 PU Shortbed
 Are you a TLCA Member (Y/N/Number?):	Not yet
 Age:							30
 Occupation:						United States Navy, Submarines
 Marital Status:					Got one, two of them also
 Hobbies:						4x4ing, hunting, computing
 How did you find out about the Toy 4x4 Mailing List:	Previous user
 General info about your vehicle, self, etc.:
 Okay, been in the Navy for 12 years, yes gonna finish it out to 20.  Have
 had two LC's, a '66 and '72, but had to find a new families for them.  Now
 have a '81 pickup, easier to hunt with than a Subaru wagon, that only has
 31x10.5 but will be getting a 3" Superlift, new front bumper and winch.
 Soon would like to replace 22R with a Toy V6 or such.
 Okay, my real question is this.  Can I fit a newer Toyota V6 into my '81
 engine compartment with out too much trouble?  I have read plenty about
 putting in Chevy's and such, yes my first LC had a 350 and I loved it, but I
 think that this mod is more of what I want.  Any thoughts please email
 directly @ twing@nwinet.com.  Thanks and I look forward to reading the mail
 here and on the posting.  Keep the rubber side down. Wingenut.
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 Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 17:02:53 -0500
 From: mraeiou@juno.com (Randy A Bombase)
 Subject: bio
 Name:  Randy Bombase
 City & State:  Virginia Beach, VA
 Country:  USA
 E-mail address:  mraeiou@juno.com
 Toyota (s) year & model:  1992 Toyota 4x4 standard cab
 Are you a TLCA Member (Y/N/Number?):  N
 Age:  23
 Occupation: Part-Time Computer operator / Full-time student
 Marital Status:  single
 Hobbies:  Rock climbing, mountain biking, cruising on the beach, ocean
 kayak (soon to be), anything in the outdoors
 How did you find out about the Toyota 4x4 Mailing List:  Toyota Web Page
 on the Off-Road.Com
 General info about your vehicle, self, etc.:
 95000 miles
 4 cylinder 22RE engine with a 4-speed AW4 automatic transmission
 K&N air filter
 Dynomax 2 1/2" exhaust system
 33"x12.50 BFGoodrich All-terrain tires on 15x10 American Racing Gamblers
 3" Performance body-lift
 Performance Product fiberglass valence with KC Lights Wide-Angle driving
 light (replaced with 130w bulbs)
 Leonard camper shell with dark limo tint
 Yakima muli-purpose rack with bike mounts, kayak mounts, and pads
 cab windows tinted
 Sony cassette deck, Sony CD-changer, Fosgate 80w amp, Eclipse and MB
 Quart speakers
 Radio Shack 40-channel CB radio w/ 4' fiberglass antenna (soon to be
 replaced with roof mounted whip antenna)
 Future additions include:
 Locker for the rear axle
 Auxilary transmission cooler
 2" suspension lift (torsion bars & new rear springs)
 Fender flares
 Randy Bombase
 Virginia Beach, Virginia
 "If it happens, it happens.  If not, live on."
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 Date: Sat, 28 Mar 98 10:40:16 -0600
 From: bwiencek@kcnet.com
 Subject: Re: Other Toyota A/C units...
 How about trying the units off of say a Celica with the 22R (or RE) since the
 brackets would be the same!  Try going to the local wrecking yard and getting
 all the parts.
 - - brian
 On Thu, 26 Mar 1998, Scott Muir  wrote:>an opportunity now to do something about it.  They are new units, but>from later>model small Toy sedans (89 tercel w/no power steering and 95 camry.)>What I>wanna know is, how similar are these systems to the one that would drop>into an>85 sr5 xtracab?  If the 3 main components are the same (compressor,
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 Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 11:10:21 -0500 (US Eastern Standard Time)
 From: "Ebersold, Chance J"  Subject: re: George Washington National Forest trip
 I live in Harrisonburg so if you let me know when and where
 you are going I would be more than happy to join you guys.
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 Ebersold, Chance J
 ebersocj@jmu.edu
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 Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 11:13:18 -0500 (US Eastern Standard Time)
 From: "Ebersold, Chance J"  Subject: brake lines and warn hubs
 Does anyone know the best place to get a complete set of
 stainless steel brake lines from?  Part two:  One of my
 warn hubs froze up.  The inner part that conects to the
 axle shaft and is suppose to move freely within the hub
 body does not.  The other side is fine but that one creates
 alot of friction and heats the whole hub up.  It is less
 than a year old and I was wondering if I should contact
 Warn or just take it apart and fix it?  Any advise would be
 helpful.  Thanks in advance.
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 Ebersold, Chance J
 ebersocj@jmu.edu
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 Ebersold, Chance J
 ebersocj@jmu.edu
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 Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 09:41:28 -0500
 From: "penny"  Subject: electric fans/mud
 Seems like the electric ones take almost a minute to stop spinning once
 turned> off.
 And your point is what? What's wrong with it spining for a miniute or two?
 As
 soon as you hit water it will stop so what's the problem?
 Chris Geiger 93 4Runner http://geiger.mcl.ucsb.edu/offroad.html
 Sheldon cleared this up for me, if you were to suddenly drop into a hole
 while in water the blades could be pulled towards the radiator creating
 damage, asuming the fan hasnt completely stopped, I have heard tales in the
 swamps (florida )of 4 wheelers going through half dozen electric units per
 year, wheeling is very different in my region then yours, thanx for the
 response but since there was no original problem w/the stock set-up I think
 im gonna stick to it....was just exploring some different ideas before
 actually using them.An on-board spare clutch would be my best option I
 think,
 Jimmy 82Toy4x4 L.B.
 purnrgy@quancon.com
 http://www.geocities.com/baja/6397/
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 Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 02:21:28 -0800
 From: "Michael Medart"  Subject: Re: Factory Toyota Clutch> I recommend buying a OEM clutch, they have dropped> way down in price since a few years ago and I have had> no luck with aftermarket clutches.>>Toyota Tony
 I have to disagree with that. My second clutch (Toyota H.D.) lasted only
 a year/12K miles before it self destructed.
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 Michael Medart, Ventura, CA bigblue@anacapa.net
 1988  Toyota  4x4  X-Tra Cab  V-6, Rancho/Downey
 lift, 4.88 gears, Detroit E-Z  locker,  ARB Air Locker
 Rancho  RS  9000's  w/remote,  Con-Fer  shackles/
 skid plates and  roof rack , 33" BFG Muds. RTI: 651
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 Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 02:15:09 -0800
 From: "Michael Medart"  Subject: Re: Torsions> I'm thinking about getting Downey or NWOR 26mm torsions in> a hope that they will smooth the ride, but the shop that just did> a wheel alignment on my rig said the additional torsion diameter> would multiply my ride roughness. I showed him Downey and> NWOR catalogs stating that their bars offer superior rides over> cranked stockers, but he said that he could not even count how> many people came to him with the same oversized torsions to> install and came back a week later to remove them because the> ride was much worse than cranked stock bars.
 Mine rode like someone swapped the front shocks for solid struts after I
 put in the Downey 26mm's. I was seriously thinking I had made a terrible
 mistake in putting them in. And then, as if by magic, at about the 200
 mile mark they "broke in" and rode vastly smoother than the OEM bars.
 Definitely get 'em.
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 Michael Medart, Ventura, CA bigblue@anacapa.net
 1988  Toyota  4x4  X-Tra Cab  V-6, Rancho/Downey
 lift, 4.88 gears, Detroit E-Z  locker,  ARB Air Locker
 Rancho  RS  9000's  w/remote,  Con-Fer  shackles/
 skid  plates and  roof rack, 33" BFG Muds. RTI: 651
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 Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 09:56:51 -0800
 From: "David K. Walker"  Subject: air deflector
 Greetings,
 I have found a suitable air deflector to mount on my '88 'Runner,
 but I am unsure exactly what sort of fastners  to use. I want it to be
 strong enough to go through the car wash, I do not want to have ugly
 scars in my top where the fastners have failed and ripped out, or broken
 off. I don't know how strong the fiberglass shell itself is...
 Exactly what fastners and washers did you use?
 I have considered expanding wall anchors, as they will distribute
 the load over a bigger area around each hole.
 Did you remove part of  the interior to allow getting to the inside
 surface of the shell? This would let you get fender washers and lock/jam
 nuts, and of course a wrench or socket in there.
 The brackets are not a problem, and I know I can get whatever is
 needed for fastner strength....I just don't know what the fiberglass top
 will allow or withstand.
 And while I have your ear...I finally got a basic web page up...
 http://www.alaska.net/~c3walker/4rnnr.htm.
 Please pay a visit and  offer constructive criticism. I do want to
 get on the 4Runner web ring... I just want to be sure I have covered all
 my bases before I sign up.
 Thanks in advance,
 DKW
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 Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 02:03:24 EST
 From: JC VR 4  Subject: Speakers...
 I have these speakers too and I like them alot, but it seems that recently one
 of them  only works every once and a while.  I think I may have loosened
 something behind the stereo.  Anyone know how to get to the stereo in a 93
 Truck?
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 Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 23:33:05 -0800
 From: "Michael L. Philp"  Subject: bio info
 Bio. Information
 Michael Philp
 USA
 philp21@earthlink.net
 1994 Toyota pick-up 4x4
 22 yrs. old
 transport refrigeration industry
 single
 I enjoy using my truck.  I have added several up grades to my V6 X-tra
 cab.  It is actually over-equiped for what I have used it for. I have
 owned 2 Toyota trucks (86-94) and I am hooked.  I am a college student
 and I also work full time.
 - --
 Michael L. Philp
 philp21@earthlink.net
 2dts093@gc.maricopa.edu
 (602)939-8061
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 Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 02:08:58 EST
 From: JC VR 4  Subject: Lost mileage
 My 22RE truck has 31" tires too.  I can get a maximum of 260 uncorrected miles
 per tank of gas.  I have been told that this is the average mileage that
 people get with this combo.  The tires have more wind resistance since they
 are wider and they also weigh more than the stock tires.  It also takes more
 power to get them going.
 Joey
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 Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 23:10:49 -0800 (PST)
 From: Luke P Miller  Subject: 3" wider ifs axle
 As I understand it, the desire to put a later ifs rear axle on an early
 truck is to clear up the frame rubbing problems when the axle is twisted
 up. I assume this is cured because the wider axle is used with the stock
 offset wheels, effectively spacing the wheels outwards 1.5 inches on each
 side. So I'm wondering, why not just spend few dollars to get wheels with
 less back spacing, and keep the axle that's under there.
 Wheels with less backspacing would put a bit more strain on the wheel
 bearings, but even new wheel bearings every few years are cheaper than
 changing the axle. So why go to all the hassle to change axles if you only
 want to move the tires away from the frame?
 By the way, I also get plenty of wheel rubbing on the rear frame, so I'd
 like to stop it somehow. A few more trips to the desert (which is in bloom
 right now) and my little rubber flaps on the frame will be worn through.
 Luke Miller
 __________________________________________________________________________
 1985 4Runner 3"Alcan front lift, 3" custom Mazda spring rear lift, 4.88's,
 rear lockright, RS 9000's, 32x11.50 Michelins, ugly homemade bumpers (the
 best kind)...
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 Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 00:04:34 -0500
 From: "Dan Schein" Subject: LockRight Prices
 Any advice on who has the best price on a LockRight (1610) for a Toy 8"
 (86, 4cyl non-turbo) rear diff?
 Perhaps someone has a used one for sale?
 Best price I have gotten is $227 delivered for a new LockRight.
 - -Dan
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 Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 21:17:53 -0800
 From: denmother4wd@juno.com (K. Johnson)
 Subject: Re:  NWOR Hiring..
 Someone want to try to change NWOR's poor customer service problem...
 an ad on their exterior reader board states they are "hiring experienced
 salesperson"...
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 Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 21:24:46 -0800
 From: denmother4wd@juno.com (K. Johnson)
 Subject: Re:  '87 Toyota 4runner 4-sale
 I have a friend who has a friends '87 4runner for sale (owner is residing
 in alaska & wants to sell it), it is 4 cyl, auto (doesnt run for some
 reason could be minor or major repairs) its red, smittybuilt rear bumper,
 rt front fender has been replaced - its still in black primer, no lift
 that i can remember, yakima rack. truck is in NW Washington State, price
 $2500.00/obo   email me if interested & i can get some more info, body is
 in really good shape  from quick view i got from the road today
 kim
 DenMother4wd@juno.com
 http://www.geocities.com/baja/dunes/6690
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 Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 21:40:22 -0600
 From: Robert Stein  Subject: Re: Toyota 4x4 digest: V1 #790
 Jonathan Albrecht wrote:>>> Alan>     Well, Alan ,,,,,,They ALL seem to put up with "ME" so don't see any> reason for them not to welcome you to the list :)>> { Atleast I "THINK" they do }>> Guy's ?????/> -->> Heck yeah we do! Though I'd like to hear more about your truck.. don't> let those 'overly practical' types give you too much crud about it (too> tall, ect), I figure as long as your having fun, who cares how> impractical the truck is, right?!   Just as long as you don't do> something too stupid and give us all a bad name..> Well, THANKS for the kind words :)  Anything you want to know, just
 ask and I'll be glad to answer in the best way I can .  As for some of
 the ribbing I've taken over my "Beast" , no biggie  yea right ;)> Promise guy's ,,,,,you WON'T see this truck on Life's most embarassing
 video's !!!> God I'd love to have something like your truck. hmm.. well, the springs> are sagging kinda bad on my new chevota...  heh, heh.  Geared for 40's> too..  ;)
 WELL,,,,,,,,, Give me some time to "play" with it , and I'll let
 you be the first to know when I get tired of it , K ? As for the goofing
 around about chevota's and 20/22R's ,,,,,Being as I'm now un-employed
 ,,,,,a bigger engine swap is no where in this Yota's future, but MAYBE
 !!!!!! <---- slight glimmering spark in eye>>> later,> (and I think we canned the name 'tonka toy' first, but you'rs is bigger,> so you've got permission ;)  My bud's IFS only has like 9-10" of lift.> OOOOppppppssss !!!! Sorry ,,,,looked at you page several times and
 HONESTLY never noticed that pic there ;)  Give my apoligies to your
 friend Paul :)   Friend of mine's Wife started calling it that first
 time she saw it and it kinda stuck :)    She STILL keeps asking me where
 that darned BOX is !!!!!  Soon as I can get something going , I do plan on taking ALOT of the good
 folks on the list's suggestions and turn this into not only a great
 looking truck, but a very functional 4Wheeler also ,,,,,,,, but for now
 ,,,,the cash flow just ain't ther :(>                                                       _______> Jonathan Albrecht                      __.           /_/__|__\__> albr9619@uidaho.edu                 __/__|\___       |_.--.__,--;> http://www.uidaho.edu/~albr9619    :--.__|.--.|,---- ~'(__)'`(__)>                                  `'`'`''`'`'`''``'`'`'`'`''`'`'``'`
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 rrbbs@juno.com                  STOCK 22R-E Motor
 Lawton,Okla     rjstein@wolverine.cameron.edu   12+" Lift<3"body> http://www.lawtonok.net/rjstein/toyota.html    33x14.50x15 Mickey's
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 Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 22:06:56 -0500
 From: Darren Floen  Subject: 3.0 headgaskets in Canada
 Anyone know if Toyota Canada is giving the same deal as in the states?
 The reason i ask is because my boss just bought a 96 4runner Limited
 for a parts getter.When i told him about the headgasket problem,he
 freaked!The truck has 30000 km so they shouldn't be a problem yet,just
 wondering if he can get it fixed when they do go.The truck was written
 off by an insurance co. for a dented hood and left front fender,he got
 it for $11000 canadian all fixed up.What a deal,Eh?
 Darren
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 Date: Fri, 27 Mar 98 14:57:06 -0800
 From: Francois Jouaux  Subject: Fill Plug Removal on Front Diff (86 IFS)> Tonight I drained the fluids from my xfer case, tranny & front
 diff (saving> the rear until I add a locker ;-). Then I went to open all the fill> plugs...> Same thing happened to me last week end on the rear differential
 fill plug. All other plugs (front diff, manual, transfer case) came
 off fine except this one. Needless to say the plug is totally worn
 after all my attempts. I guess I'll bring it to a shop. I already
 bought a new plug to replace it. Don't forget to use new plug seals.
 They flatten a lot and the Toyota guy told me that may be why these
 plug get stuck easily.
 - -Francois
 '89 4Runner V6
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 Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 18:04:29 -0500
 From: Sheldon Gardner  Subject: Engine Swap
 Toyota 4x4 digest: wrote: ----------------------------> Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 20:21:30 -0500> From: Charles Brooks > Subject: Engine swaps>> I just ran into a possible deal for a SBC to> swap into my truck, but I want to get some> opinions first.>> A co-workers father built a 383 (350 w/400 crank)> for his truck to tow a camper trailer. Unfortunately> the truck was totalled monday evening (don't know> the details). The engine is a complete rebuild.> valve covers to oil pan. New pistons, rods, heads> etc. It was built for reliability and torque not> racing. He estimates the power at 250hp and 285 lb/ft> of torque. He wants 1400 for it. It sounds like an> excellent candidate for a 4wd. Those of you with SBC> experience, I'd like to hear some opinions.>> And please no Chevy/Toyota comparison stuff! Just the> straight poop on 383's! (I don't know much about them)>> =============================================
 Charles, I helped a friend put a 383 Stoker in a 2wd S-10 a while back and that thing was scary!!!!!He didn't tub it
 out or anything ran semi stock tires in the rear and that thing would break em loose
 at just about any speed. I can tell you that he bought a big 3 core radiator and the motor would still
 overheat at stoplights it had to be turned off if it sat for more than a min or so. It seemed to me that the thing
 made most of it's power at higher RPM's but that could just be the way he had it set up?
 Not too good for crawling. but excellent for mud, it would be one hell of a TOY with that thing
 under the hood!!! I would be careful a good 383 will make some serious HP and Torque so take
 that into consideration with what kind of running gear you plan on using especially if you want to
 stick to the Toy components. (no offense to Toy running gear, I just don't think a 10 bolt ring gear
 is up to handling a good stroker motor.)
 - --
 Sheldon Gardner
 A to Z Marketing Inc.
 atzmkt@sunline.net
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 Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:09:47 -0700 (PDT)
 From: Jon Brandt  Subject: Re: vortec v-6
 On Fri, 27 Mar 1998, heather or kevin wrote:> Hey all-> 	I recently read a conversation about the H.P. in the v-6 chevy/GMC engine.>  I had a '97 GMC Sierra w/ the v-6, but hated the payments and the> inability to tinker (I bought it brand new)  so I sold it and got back my> 2nd Toy ('92 x-cab 4x4)> 	I believe from '96 on chevy revamped their engines and got 200HP @ 4400> rpm's.  I know for sure they did in '97 in their trucks.   So that may be a> better candidate for some of you, if you can find a wrecked one.> 					Tryin to help> 					Kevin Boline
 Actually, it has a claimed 190 hp, 250 ft. lbs. of torque.
 I just want to make a comment about manufacture "claims" of horse power
 ratings. There is no regulation as to standardization of brake ratings.
 Manufacturers can claim anything they wnant. This is why you will find
 many disscrepincies. for instance, when ford changed their power rating
 of the Mustang 5.0 everyone complained. They had made no changes to the
 engine. They had simply recallibrated their equipment. Previously 225 hp,
 now 205. The engine was tested (brake) on a Mitsubishi duyno,
 and the engine was rated at a max. of 178 hp. big difference!
 If the Toyota 3.4L and Vortec 4.3L have the same claimed max. horse
 power (190), and the Vortec, a much higher torque rating, how does the Taco
 dust the chev. in similar vehicles???
 Some of it is the difference in measuring equipment.
 Some of it is the difference in power delivery; the taco has a flatter,
 longer torque curve. While the 3.4 is still accelerating and gaining power,
 the 4.3 is pukeing out. Yes, low end power is important for off-road. And no,
 the taco is not low on low-end torque. The latest in 4-valve technology
 has thrown the revvy-power myth to multi-valve engines out the window.
 Just my demonstration that the numbers are not what matters.
 If you haven't allready, drive a taco, just for fun :-)
 "Oh yea, I'm look'n to buy"     $ $
 dealer>   ^
 \_/     he, he
 My impression is that the engine is noisier than the 3.0 (all those
 extra valves=noise I guess), but man is it a nice performer; smooth, flat
 torque curve, don't forget ballsy, better gas milage than 3.0. Doesn't
 sound like you're hurting it, up high, like the 4.3. Obviously many of
 you agree, having heard earlier comments. :-)
 not related to engine swaps: just my thoughts on engines in general.>>> ============================================================================> Toyota 4x4 page: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota> ============================================================================
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 Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:42:15 -0800 (PST)
 From: Jonathan Albrecht  Subject: 4Runner Cover Top> thanks michael.  Do you guys ever have any trouble with drafts, or> with it not sealing very well?  If so, what can be done to better the> sealing?
 I've had mine off twice.  So far the only problem I ever had was that it
 sqeaked a bit more than before (about a week after putting it back on).
 The last time i put it on, I followed the directions (same as posted, I
 think.. they were in the factory repair manual anyway), and armor-alled
 all of the rubber strips.  So far it squeaks less than it did when I got
 the truck (which is to say almost never) and doesn't leak.  Just be
 careful moving it around.  It's not that heavy (a guess.. 150lb??) but
 it's a bit awkward to move around, especially through door ways.  I
 think it's possible to remove by yourself, but I'd never try it.  Also,
 when I first pulled mine off, it was stuck.. I couldn't get it off.
 Best way to break the seal (I think mine may have have been glued down
 in a few spots ??) is to fold down the rear seats, stand on top of them,
 put your back against the top and just lift with your legs--it'll come
 right off, no prob's.
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 Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 17:41:00 -0500
 From: Sheldon Gardner  Subject: Elec Fan  mud/water> -------->> Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 21:53:56 -0500> From: "penny" > Subject: electric fans/mud>> How well do electric fans hold up for mudding/deep water crossings? Im> still using the stock fan clutch/shroud and havent had any probs w/them.> Seems like the electric ones take almost a minute to stop spinning once> turned off, I have one that I was gonna put on my yota the other day but> after seeing how long it takes for the thing to stop completely I think im> gonna stay stock....> Jimmy 82Toy4x4 L.B.> purnrgy@quancon.com> http://www.geocities.com/baja/6397/
 Jimmy I was running one for about a year and half, it worked good kept everything nice and cool.
 I did have a few problems with the water though. First off I replaced mine twice during the last year
 good thing discount lets you return anything for a new one:) I have it wired to a switch in the dash;
 after the first month or so it burned up so I bought a heavier switch  (25 amp) it has held up fine since.
 I used to switch it off when I saw the swamp in front of me, a couple of times I forgot to turn it back
 on until I saw the motor sitting at 250!!! I had it mounted behind the radiator this became a problem
 one day while cruising through some water at about 2 feet depth I suddenly hit a hole and the front end
 went way down, fan blade twisted and made a small hole in the radiator. I had a small propane torch
 and some solder which worked fine and still does. I was going to get a bilge switch and mount it
 somewhere under the motor to kill the fan but decided  against it although I have seen many others do it.
 I now run the stock fan and put the elec. in front of the radiator. having the elec. in front if the water hits
 it the blades pull away from the radiator. So far this has worked real good, I only really use the elec. fan when I
 run down muddy ruts "pedal to the floor:: you know what I'm talking about" or sometimes the motor gets
 hot when rocking myself out of ruts. If you already have the elec. mount it up front if not don't waste your cash.
 Final afterthought I did notice a slight power gain at freeway speeds with just the elec. fan, not  a lot but
 noticeable, something to consider.
 - --
 Sheldon Gardner
 A to Z Marketing Inc.
 atzmkt@sunline.net
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 Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 23:53:00 -0500
 From: "Dan Schein" Subject: Re: Fill Plug Removal on Front Diff (86 IFS)
 - ------
 Don't want to rain on you parade, but maybe others will not make same
 mistake. :-) Make sure you can remove fill plug, before draining. I had
 the same problem, only I had no drained yet. Came back to it a month
 later and it came off no broblem??? Can you get ahold of an impact
 wrench? It's only the front, drive it down to a shop, maybe. It made me
 nervous, but I used a breaker bar on the rear one. A long one-4ft.
 - ------
 You can be sure that before I drain any other fluids, the fill plug
 will come out first ;-)
 We did get the plug out tonight. What we did was use a pry bar (off
 the diff cover bolt where it attaches to the crossmember) to hold the
 socket against the cover.
 Thanks for all the ideas, a 6 point socket may have helped. Guess what
 the next tool im buying is?
 - -Dan
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 Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 00:01:12 -0500
 From: "Dan Schein" Subject: Tranny Fill Plug
 I went to fill my tranny tonight (part of a complete fluid change) and have
 a question. The drain plug for the tranny is on the bottom of the case.
 However it appears that the (std 24mm Toy styled) fill plug is on the left
 side of the part that fits between the tranny & transfer case (tranny
 adapter?). This seems a bit odd so I want to ensure this is the proper fill
 plug....
 - -Dan
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 Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 00:52:55 EST
 From: DRM033  Subject: TEST (Please ignore!)
 Sorry, haven't gotten anything all weekend - just checking.
 David
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 Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 12:52:58 -0800 (PST)
 From: Luke P Miller  Subject: Re: Tuff Country Sus. Lift
 According to something I read a few months ago, Les Schwab has set up some
 sort of partnership with Tuff Country to sell and install their kits at
 Les Schwab stores. Now I don't know how good or bad Tuff Country kits are,
 but this may have had some bearing on the salesman's recommendation.
 On Sat, 28 Mar 1998, Gregg R Hayford wrote:> Just have a quick question.  Ran down to Les Schwab today just to talk> to them about sus lift and see what they were asking or them.  We talked> a little and I asked what he recommended and he said the Tuff Country> lift is the best one out there for the Toy af of now.  To be honest,  I
 Luke Miller
 __________________________________________________________________________
 1985 4Runner 3"Alcan front lift, 3" custom Mazda spring rear lift, 4.88's,
 rear lockright, RS 9000's, 32x11.50 Michelins, ugly homemade bumpers (the
 best kind)...
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 Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 02:16:03 -0500
 From: "penny"  Subject: 2wd rear u-bolts
 A while ago I put 2wd toyota rear ubolts on my truck for a little more
 ground clearance in the area, im using the tiny 2wd shocks still since I
 havent yet extended the upper mounts to use longer shocks, wheeling last
 weekend my truck got in a small hole that normally wouldnt have been a
 problem, check out the second and 3rd pics on my page and youll see what im
 talking about, (my question is would using these tiny shocks make my rear
 articulation suck as bad as these pictures show?) I even removed 2 leaves
 from the spring pack when the u-bolts were swapped since theres never much
 more then a spare tire/cooler  carried in the back of my truck, anyone know
 for sure that this is the problem?
 Jimmy 82Toy4x4 L.B. W/ zero rear articulation :)
 purnrgy@quancon.com
 http://www.geocities.com/baja/6397/
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 Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 13:02:42 -0800 (PST)
 From: DEREK CAPUTI  Subject: PERSONAL BIO
 Name:DEREK CAPUTI
 City & State:ALEXANDRIA VA
 Country:USA
 E-mail address:MUDDYCLUTCH@YAHOO.COM
 Toyota (s) year & model:87 4 RUNNER
 Are you a TLCA Member (Y/N/Number?):
 Age:29
 Occupation:USMC
 Marital Status:M
 Hobbies:OFFROADING 4X4S AND TRAVELING
 How did you find out about the Toyota 4x4 Mailing List:BROWSING FOR
 ARTICLES ON BUILDING MY 4 RUNNER
 General info about your vehicle, self, etc.:
 WANT TO BUILD A BULLET PROOF TRUCK. GOT A SET OF 38X16X15
 SUPERSWAMPERS I WANT TO FIT UNDER MY TRUCK. BELONG TO THE EDGE OFF
 ROAD CLUB IN MEMPHIS TN. LOOKING FOR A CLUB IN N VA.
 ==
 FROM THE
 CLUTCH
 IF YOUR NOT MUDDY,
 GET IN, SIT DOWN, SHUT UP AND HANG ON
 MAY THE EDGE LIVE FOREVER!
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 Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 13:35:57 -0800
 From: Scott Wilson  Subject: Re: air deflector
 David K. Walker wrote:>> Greetings,>     I have found a suitable air deflector to mount on my '88 'Runner,> but I am unsure exactly what sort of fastners  to use. I want it to be> strong enough to go through the car wash, I do not want to have ugly> scars in my top where the fastners have failed and ripped out, or broken> off. I don't know how strong the fiberglass shell itself is...>     Exactly what fastners and washers did you use?>     I have considered expanding wall anchors, as they will distribute> the load over a bigger area around each hole.>     Did you remove part of  the interior to allow getting to the inside> surface of the shell? This would let you get fender washers and lock/jam> nuts, and of course a wrench or socket in there.>     The brackets are not a problem, and I know I can get whatever is> needed for fastner strength....I just don't know what the fiberglass top> will allow or withstand.
 I assume you already saw the pics of the one I built at
 http://www.off-road.com/~swilson/airfoil/
 To actually attach it to the top, I drilled pilot holes in the
 fiberglass, and fastened it down with screws.  It holds very well.  I've
 been through a few car washes with it, but it takes most of it's abuse
 from trees on the trail.  It's attached very well.....it would take a
 LOT of yanking to get that thing off.
 Scott
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 Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 17:13:32 EST
 From: Edmunds3  Subject: BIO
 Name:  Dan Edmunds
 City & State:  Glendale, Arizona
 Country:  USA
 E-mail address:  edmunds3@aol.com
 Toyota (s) year & model:  1993 Land Cruiser, 1998 V6 PreRunner w/TRD package
 Are you a TLCA Member (Y/N/Number?):  Not yet, but will join Az chapter soon
 Age:  37
 Occupation:  Engineer at Toyota's Arizona Proving Ground - Truck developement.
 Marital Status:  Wife; Tracy and a 2 year old daughter; Shelby
 Hobbies:  Racing (only pavement - so far), off-roading, hiking, skiing, dirt
 bikes.
 How did you find out about the Toyota 4x4 Mailing List:  From a posting on
 rec.autos.4x4
 General info about your vehicle, self, etc.:  My Cruiser is a bone stock base
 model with no leather or froo-froo stuff.  Up 'till now I've enjoyed seeing
 how far a stock cruiser can go.  I'm starting to consider some mild,
 purposeful suspension upgrades - OME perhaps.  The PreRunner is new (duh) with
 no mods at all.
 Oh yeah, one more thing: I want Ivan's job when (if?) he retires.
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 Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 17:18:38 -0800
 From: "Craig"  Subject: 96 4Runner
 As an owner of a 96' 4Runner SR5, I have had a head water pump gasket
 replaced at 10,000 miles and a head gasket replaced at 20,000 miles.
 Besides these problems, the motor has worked fine (I'm up to 30,000).  The
 only problem with this truck is that the air vents keep cracking.  I have
 been to the dealership in NY 7 times to have cracked air vents replaced.  I
 even had part of the dashboard replaced for this problem.  Apparently I am
 the only 4Runner in America with this problem.  On Thursday April 2nd a
 factory rep is supposed to look at the problem.  I hope this helps.
 Craig
 Question for Jim Brink, or any others who may have the answer.  The latest
 Consumer Reports mag (98 Cars) shows engine problems on the 96 4Runner.
 Have you experienced a disproportionate amount of repairs Jim, or might you
 know what this is referencing?  BTW, it was Consumer Reports magazines
 glowing recommendations of Toyotas that first turned me on years ago.  I
 have not gone astray since.
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 Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 20:01:33 EST
 From: CowbyUp77  Subject: Ford V8 Swap
 Can anybody tell me if the '85 Toy tranny can handle the Ford 5.0L??
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 Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 19:04:09 -0600
 From: Michael Woodruff  Subject: EGR GOOP
 Anybody know why my egr plumbing has oily goop inside it?  I pulled it off
 expecting to find it full of soot and carbon,  guess I got the bonus plan.
 While dismantling the intake (22re) I figured I'd send the throttle body and
 fuel injectors to LC engineering for some TLC.  I'll post the results,
 hopefully it will be worth the $$$.
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 Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 17:21:59 -0800
 From: "Todd and Terry Steele"  Subject: Re: Tranny Fill Plug
 Dan Schein wrote:>>I went to fill my tranny tonight (part of a complete fluid change) and
 have>a question. The drain plug for the tranny is on the bottom of the
 case.>However it appears that the (std 24mm Toy styled) fill plug is on the
 left>side of the part that fits between the tranny & transfer case
 (tranny>adapter?). This seems a bit odd so I want to ensure this is the
 proper fill>plug....
 Just don't remove the one that says do not remove.  My fill plug is on the
 extension housing.
 Todd
 His:  87 Toyota 4X4, Marlin Tcase #180, EZ Lockers F/R, Warn MX8000, Custom
 rear bumper and nerfs, Ramsey F bumper, Trailmaster/Superlift 4", 33-9.5 BFG
 MT's.  Custom Body by Sierra Nevada.
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 Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 17:01:38 -1000 (HST)
 From: Eric Johnson  Subject: Re: brake lines and warn hubs> than a year old and I was wondering if I should contact> Warn or just take it apart and fix it?  Any advise would be> helpful.  Thanks in advance.
 Warns customer service is said to be great. I'd try giving them a call.
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 Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 21:42:42 -0500
 From: mraeiou@juno.com (Randy A Bombase)
 Subject: bio
 Name:  Randy Bombase
 City & State:  Virginia Beach, VA
 Country:  USA
 E-mail address:  mraeiou@juno.com
 Toyota (s) year & model:  1992 Toyota 4x4 standard cab
 Are you a TLCA Member (Y/N/Number?):  N
 Age:  23
 Occupation: Part-Time Computer operator / Full-time student
 Marital Status:  single
 Hobbies:  Rock climbing, mountain biking, cruising on the beach, ocean
 kayak (soon to be), anything in the outdoors
 How did you find out about the Toyota 4x4 Mailing List:  Toyota Web Page
 on the Off-Road.Com
 General info about your vehicle, self, etc.:
 95000 miles
 4 cylinder 22RE engine with a 4-speed AW4 automatic transmission
 K&N air filter
 Dynomax 2 1/2" exhaust system
 Optima red dry cell battery
 33"x12.50 BFGoodrich All-terrain tires on 15x10 American Racing Gamblers
 3" Performance body-lift
 Performance Product fiberglass valence with KC Lights Wide-Angle driving
 light (replaced with 130w bulbs)
 Leonard camper shell with dark limo tint
 Yakima muli-purpose rack with bike mounts, kayak mounts, and pads
 cab windows tinted
 Sony cassette deck, Sony CD-changer, Fosgate 80w amp, Eclipse and MB
 Quart speakers
 Radio Shack 40-channel CB radio w/ 4' fiberglass antenna (soon to be
 replaced with roof mounted whip antenna)
 Future additions include:
 Locker for the rear axle
 Auxilary transmission cooler
 2" suspension lift (torsion bars & new rear springs)
 Fender flares
 - -
 Randy Bombase
 Virginia Beach, Virginia
 "If it happens, it happens.  If not, live on."
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 Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 20:55:32 -0700
 From: "David Eggleston"  Subject: Personal bio information
 Name:  David F. Eggleston
 City & State:  Denver, CO
 Country:  U.S.
 E-mail address:  toy283@mho.net
 Toyota year & model:  '84 4x4 X-Cab pickup
 TLCA member:  No
 Age:  34
 Occupation:  Pipefitter
 Marital status: single
 Hobbies:  Four wheeling
 Soccer (coaching)
 Computers
 Found the Toyota 4x4 mailing list from the Off-road.com web site which in
 turn I had been directed to from the alt.autos.toyota newsgroup to which I
 am a frequent visitor and contributor.
 My truck is significantly modified. It is powered by a fuel-injected,
 supercharged 283 cid small-block Chevrolet V-8. Other mods include 10"
 total lift (body & suspension), 38" mudders (for the mud season), 33"
 all-terrains for other wheeling, full in-cab roll cage, and numerous other
 smaller modifications. Not until recently when I changed jobs was I able to
 go four-wheeling in the Colorado mountains. I had previously worked
 weekends and this had pretty much precluded me from joining trips by a
 local club, Rising Sun Toyota. Now that my weekends are available, I hope
 that this will change real soon.
 ==============
 David Eggleston
 toy283@mho.net
 That which doesn't kill me makes me stronger.
 -Friedrich Nietzche
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 Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 20:55:32 -0700
 From: "David Eggleston"  Subject: Personal bio information
 Name:  David F. Eggleston
 City & State:  Denver, CO
 Country:  U.S.
 E-mail address:  toy283@mho.net
 Toyota year & model:  '84 4x4 X-Cab pickup
 TLCA member:  No
 Age:  34
 Occupation:  Pipefitter
 Marital status: single
 Hobbies:  Four wheeling
 Soccer (coaching)
 Computers
 Found the Toyota 4x4 mailing list from the Off-road.com web site which in
 turn I had been directed to from the alt.autos.toyota newsgroup to which I
 am a frequent visitor and contributor.
 My truck is significantly modified. It is powered by a fuel-injected,
 supercharged 283 cid small-block Chevrolet V-8. Other mods include 10"
 total lift (body & suspension), 38" mudders (for the mud season), 33"
 all-terrains for other wheeling, full in-cab roll cage, and numerous other
 smaller modifications. Not until recently when I changed jobs was I able to
 go four-wheeling in the Colorado mountains. I had previously worked
 weekends and this had pretty much precluded me from joining trips by a
 local club, Rising Sun Toyota. Now that my weekends are available, I hope
 that this will change real soon.
 ==============
 David Eggleston
 toy283@mho.net
 That which doesn't kill me makes me stronger.
 -Friedrich Nietzche
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 Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 22:58:56 EST
 From: DRM033  Subject: interesting xfer
 A friend & I pulled apart a Samuri transfer case Sat. night.  It is amazing
 how similar the Sammi is to Toyota's.  Anybody have any info if some of the
 parts are made by the same companies?  I know the shifter bushing I replaced
 in my truck looks just like the one that should have been in the Sammi
 transfer case (disentigrated like mine too).
 By the way - real funny being able to hold a transfer case up with one hand
 and have the other one free to get the bolts started...
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 David Moore                                  DRM033@aol.com
 TLCA #5662
 Traxx In Motion 4 Wheel Drive Club
 www.netmatter.com/traxx
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 Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 22:58:53 EST
 From: DRM033  Subject: Re: 3" wider ifs axle
 In a message dated 98-03-29 13:58:10 EST, you write:> As I understand it, the desire to put a later ifs rear axle on an early>  truck is to clear up the frame rubbing problems when the axle is twisted>  up. I assume this is cured because the wider axle is used with the stock>  offset wheels, effectively spacing the wheels outwards 1.5 inches on each>  side. So I'm wondering, why not just spend few dollars to get wheels with>  less back spacing, and keep the axle that's under there.> Larger rear brakes on the IFS axle are another benefit.
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 David Moore                                  DRM033@aol.com
 TLCA #5662
 Traxx In Motion 4 Wheel Drive Club
 www.netmatter.com/traxx
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 Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 21:05:56 -0800
 From: Jim Brink  Subject: Re: interesting xfer
 DRM033 wrote:>> A friend & I pulled apart a Samuri transfer case Sat. night.  It is amazing> how similar the Sammi is to Toyota's.  Anybody have any info if some of the> parts are made by the same companies?  I know the shifter bushing I replaced> in my truck looks just like the one that should have been in the Sammi> transfer case (disentigrated like mine too).
 They are both made by Aisin.
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 Jim Brink, Toyota/ASE Certified Technician	1986 Toyota Std. Bed 4WD
 Manhattan Beach, CA				32x11.50/15 BFG M/Ts
 ToyTech@Off-Road.com
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 Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 20:02:01 -1000
 From: Kelly Nakamura  Subject: bio. info> Personal Bio Info> ===========================> Name: Kelly Nakamura>> City & State: Honolulu, Hawaii>> Country: USA>> E-mail address: kellynak@hawaii.edu>> Toyota (s) year & model: 1993 4Runner SR5 V6>> Are you a TLCA Member (Y/N/Number?): no>> Age: 25>> Occupation: student>> Marital Status: single>> Hobbies: wine and cigars......  go to the beach>> How did you find out about the Toyota 4x4 Mailing List: surfing the
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 Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 08:25:15 -0500
 From: Duane D Miller  Subject: Transfer Oil Cooler Relocation
 I was installing my new Downey Headers this weekend on my 92 4Runner and finally
 got to the part where I have to relocate the the transfer oil cooler(This truck
 has an automatic tranny).  I ordered  the relocation kit from Downey ( which
 consisted of 2 rubber hoses, a couple of connectors, and no instructions). I
 need to know from anyone on the list who has completed this relocation the
 following:
 - - Where exactly did you relocate the cooler to, and how did you mount it
 - - Does the relocation kit replace the elbow connectors on the transfer case or
 do they connect to the hoses on the oil cooler. The reason I ask this is
 because one set of connectors are smaller that the other and before going into
 a royal pain of taking apart things I don't need to, I thought I'd better
 check with someone who has done this...
 This particular installation has turned out to be a far more PITA that the
 previous install I did on my 89 w/ a 5 speed.  The front flange of the passenger
 side header is hitting the power steering pump bracket. After an afternoon of
 grinding, I still have'nt finished... However, the crossover pipe came out
 without me having to drop the tranny this time though....
 If anyone can offer advice, I would appreciate it!
 Duane
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 Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 06:52:48 -0700
 From: Nick.Krest@nickkrest.batnet.com (Nick Krest)
 Subject: Re: Faith in Humanity Restored!
 Terry L. Bush  wrote:
 "Can I assume that all people on this mailing list are so honest?"
 Yup. That's the way this list tends to work.
 Also, check carefully; occasionally people give stuff away for free.
 - Nick
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 Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 06:52:50 -0700
 From: Nick.Krest@nickkrest.batnet.com (Nick Krest)
 Subject: Re: SOS - MAYDAY - HELP and all those things
 adam  wrote:
 "...my 86 4runner...(has) now got a great big
 3 inch round role in the block...I need some
 advice on what is my best option for repairing
 and making it into something with a little
 more power."
 Adam -
 There will be no repair here. It is replacement time. I would either
 replace it with another 22R, or go Chevy 4.3l Vortec. Plan on spending $2k
 for another 22R, at least $3k for a 4.3.
 Good luck,
 - Nick
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 Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 10:50:20 -0500 (EST)
 From: Eli Madden  Subject: Center Caps w/ Manual Hubs
 Terry Bush wrote-
 *****************
 The front centercaps are for the newer auto hubs.
 My truck has manual hubs.
 The new wheels wont work with the existing hubs.
 ******************
 Take out the caps. The manuals hubs just stick out through the hole.....
 Eli Madden
 Middlebury, Vermont
 '83 SR5 Shortbed 4x4 w/ 31s and '87 22R
 eli@computeralt.com
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 Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 11:35:06 -0500
 From: "Kevin S. Bivens"  Subject: Re: Free Bumper /brushguard
 Karl Bellve wrote:>> I have the bumper off my 1985 4Runner to give away. It has a chrome> brushguard. I would rather give it to someone in Massachusetts but if> the person was willing to pay shipping, then I would ship it.>> It is a standard toyota black tinfoil bumper with black endcaps. Some> rust where one of the end caps attach. Chrome brushguard is heavy duty> with slight rusts that can be removed with steel wool.
 If this will work on an '87 4Runner, I'd love to have it! My brother
 just crashed his '87, and needs a front bumper, grille guard is a plus!!
 Can you give me an idea of shipping costs if you're willing to ship it
 to Knoxville, TN?
 Kev
 4 MK2 Supras
 2 87 4 Runners (one's my brother's)
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 Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 11:52:36 EST
 From: DRM033  Subject: Lockrite instructions
 I was wondering if anyone has the destructions that came with their lockrite.
 If you could somehow get me a copy I would appreciate it.
 Also, when putting a lockrite in an IFS, are there any special considerations?
 Changes?  voodoo magic rituals to enhance performance?
 Thanks
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 David Moore                                  DRM033@aol.com
 TLCA #5662
 Traxx In Motion 4 Wheel Drive Club
 www.netmatter.com/traxx
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 Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 09:31:29 -0800
 From: "Roger Brown P.E."  Subject: Re: clutch fan
 Raymond Kumar wrote:>> I installed a Flex a lite 165 toyota 4xfan(as the call it) in my 85 runner> and have not looked back.You get way more air flow and you can turn it off> during water crossings plus a minor power increase-Ray
 Ken Emanuel wrote:> How much do these Flex-a-Lite fans run?  ($$$)  I think Performance> wants over $200.
 Mine ran right around $200 at Performance (15% off sale).  The Flex-A-Lite
 Toyota fan is very nicely built.  It fits the stock shroud mounting holes, fan
 and shroud at one integral piece, built in adjustable thermostatic switch.  Its
 also got a built-in control module w/ inputs for A/C and manual override.
 More info:	http://reality.sgi.com/rogerb/4x4/4R_tricks.html#FanControl
 The Flex-a-lite fans are about twice what you'd pay for a generic fan, but the
 ones I've looked at have less air flow, and you need to fabricate mounting
 brackets for the fan and thermostat.
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 Roger Brown, P.E.        mailto:rogerb@sgi.com
 +1.650.933.1898 (voice)  +1.650.932.1898 (fax)
 http://reality.sgi.com/rogerb/
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 Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 09:36:01 -0800
 From: Kevin Valentine  Subject: Re: Tuff Country Sus. Lift
 "Ran down to Les Schwab today just to talk
 to them about sus lift and see what they were asking or them.  We talked
 a little and I asked what he recommended and he said the Tuff Country
 lift is the best one out there for the Toy af of now.  To be honest,  I
 have never heard of this lift before."
 I'm sorry I don't have specific info. for you on this lift,  but I can
 vouch for the Les Schwab locations I've dealt with here in Wa. State.
 I've always received a top notch product from them at a very competitive
 price.  I've been very happy with their service.
 And no,  I'm not affiliated with Les Schwabb in any way.
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