Toyota 4x4 digest:       Tuesday, March 24 1998       Volume 01 : Number 787
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 Re: Chevota and engine swaps???
 running divorced transfercases
 Chevy V8 life spans
 89 4Runner up for sale
 Bio
 Re: 1998 Toyota Tacoma Limited TRD
 Re: Toyota 4x4 digest: V1 #785
 22RET injectors wanted
 Pismo Beach trip Report -Reply
 Re: Pismo Beach trip Report -Reply
 Engine swap info
 Re: Pismo Beach trip Report
 Re: Chevota and engine swaps???
 Re: running divorced transfercases
 Re: Chevota and engine swaps???
 RE: Chevota and engine swaps???
 Re: Pismo Beach trip Report -Reply
 chevota and engine swaps.
 Re: Chevota and engine swaps???
 Re: Pismo Beach trip Report
 $$$ Stock Shocks and Coils for Sale $$$
 Installed T-13, lights, and old bumper
 Dynomax Super Turbo Muffler
 Trail Ride: Dresser Wisconsin May 22-25
 Re: Pismo Beach trip Report -Reply
 head gaskets
 some new webpage pix
 Re: Dynomax Super Turbo Muffler
 Re: Dynomax Super Turbo Muffler
 Mystery gasket found in radiator???
 Re: Dynomax Super Turbo Muffler
 RE: head gaskets
 Re: Pismo Beach trip Report -Reply
 Spindle Nut Socket
 Engine swaps
 Re: Pismo Beach trip Report -Reply
 Re: Pismo Beach trip Report
 Re: head gaskets
 Gears & Tranny Was Chevota
 Hollister - Sat Mar28
 Toyota P/U
 Why Chevota over other Type of truck....
 Re: Spindle Nut Socket
 Re: Chevota and engine swaps???
 Re: Engine swaps
 Head Gasket and V6 ??
 Re: 1998 Toyota Tacoma Limited TRD
 Re: 1998 Toyota Tacoma Limited TRD
 Re: 1998 Toyota Tacoma Limited TRD
 Re: Chevota and engine swaps???
 Re: Head Gasket and V6 ??
 Re: Pismo Beach trip Report
 Toyota 22RTE engine swap
 Removing clearcoat
 RE: Engine swaps
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 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 03:39:54 -0800
 From: "Craig Blanchette"  Subject: Re: Chevota and engine swaps???
 A motor block being soft doesn't make it unreliable.
 Statistics can be proven for anything if you want to find a
 reason to prove it so. Spose you just accept the fact that
 every car made on the planet is the number one selling car.
 They have facts to prove it also. Doesnt make what they say
 true.  You say chevy motors cant last a year without being
 rebuilt.That they break down all the time.  Prove it! I have
 my proof sitting in my truck. And every other chevy vehicle
 doesnt meet your statistics. I could find statistics against
 toyota's out there if I wanted to. But why bother. Chevy has
 been building the 350 longer then toyota has made trucks,
 have you ever considered that the blocks are soft for a
 valid reason.> I know more about the metalurgy of>the chevy engine than, it seems anyone who has commented.
 They are soft.>This is something you all should know...>>Jon>>===========================================================
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 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 03:55:29 -0800
 From: "Craig Blanchette"  Subject: running divorced transfercases
 I run a rockwell military transfercase. I placed it dead
 center in the frame so the front and rear driveshafts are
 the same length. The transfercase has a 5-6 inch drop
 between the input and output yokes. So I dont need cv joints
 in my driveshafts. Which means I save big bucks making
 driveshafts. Also if I blow the rear shaft, I can easilly
 swap front for rear. Because I used this setup, I am able to
 pull off 8 inches of suspension and not need cvs or worry
 about binding of any sort. Anougher advantage is that 2wd
 tranny's are cheaper then the 4wd counterpart. Save more
 money there. If you dont want the weight or size of the
 rockwell, look at nissans, they use a divorced transfcase in
 some year of there trucks. Look at military stuff, lots of
 then ran divorced transfercases. just pick what you want
 like I did. The other option is to buy a ford 205
 transfercase and use the divorced parts of it on a chevy
 205. This gives you the correct side for toyota axles. (so
 I've heard) Happy hunting
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 From: David Gibbs  To: toy4x4@tlca.org  Date: Monday, March 23, 1998 9:16 PM
 Subject: Re: Toyota 4x4 digest: V1 #784>So, how did everybody who  was talking about the V8 swaps
 do it?  I>don't know if I would use GM transfer cases as the gear
 driven 205 only>has around 2:1 low and is known for breaking transmission
 cases with its>weight and most of the chaindriven units are weak pieces of
 junk that>will slip the chain on hard climbs when they get a few
 miles on them.>(except 241C)>Has anyone tried a divorced transfer case like f**d did in
 the 70s?  I>have considered that because any motor/trans combination is
 possible if>you have the short driveshaft made.  Plus you could improve
 driveline>angles by putting the case equidistant between the axles
 and even a>little lower.  The front and rear driveshafts could be
 built to the same>specs and one spare would fit both.>                             just a thought, David>>===========================================================
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 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 04:26:13 -0800
 From: "Craig Blanchette"  Subject: Chevy V8 life spans
 Actually I believe the real reason that the chevy motor is
 the  most popular to upgrade is because it offers the
 cheapest horsepower for the buck. From the mild to the
 extreme. All and still being reliable. People wouldn't buy
 chevys if they didnt work. Chevy wouldn't  be the company it
 is if they are anywhere near as bad as you think they are.
 And not to rag on you, chevy owners bug me all the time too,
 "if you want chevy, buy a chevy" "How dare you put a chevy
 in THAT!" etc etc. Everybody's the same. So what do I
 naturally do? I paint the 350 ford blue instead of orange or
 yellow. You should see their faces! Pure outrage that I
 defiled a chevy motor.
 You dont want to put a 350 in your truck, fine, don't! But
 don't disuade other that are considering it but useing
 remarks that cant be proven and/or just not true. Let them
 try it, either by doing it or riding in one that's been
 done. Why do people put mazda springs under a toy. cause it
 gets the job done! Why a V8, same!
 From: Toyota 4x4 digest:  To: toy4x4-digest@unix.off-road.com
 Date: Tuesday, March 24, 1998 3:34 AM
 Subject: Toyota 4x4 digest: V1 #786
 2. The chevy engine is so popular to upgrade because of its
 long history
 of short life span - frequent rebuilds. If you're gonna do
 it so often
 your going to start think about different parts. The
 availability of
 parts has nothing to do with the quality of engineering of
 the engine.
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 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 07:44:57 -0500
 From: "T. Christopher Dunn"  Subject: 89 4Runner up for sale
 I have an 89 Runner SR-5 up for sale it has
 123K miles on a 3.0 V-6
 5 speed
 3 inch body lift
 33X12.50 BFG's on 15X10 AR type 26 rims
 less than 4000 miles on wheel package
 Power all
 Casst., 6 cd Changer, 2 12 inch subs and amp.
 has been kept well
 never seen the trails
 never left me stranded
 could use new carpet in cargo area
 Located in Northern Va. asking $6000.00
 Please email any intrest
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 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 05:07:33 -0800
 From: flyinpastphotos@webtv.net (Mike Scully)
 Subject: Bio
 Name: Mike Scully
 City & State: Mtn. View, Ca
 Country: U.S.A.
 E-Mail: flyinpastphotos@webtv.net
 Toyota: 89' Four Runner
 Are you a TLCA member?: Not yet
 Age: 41
 Occupation: Photographer / Printer
 Marital Status: Divorced
 Hobbies: Shooting (photos), Surfing (the web) Fly fishing (streams) ,
 Camping(off-road) Working on and looking ( not the first to admit) at my
 truck
 How did you find the Toyota 4x4 list?: surfing off road . com
 General info about your vehicle , self , etc : Been looking for a late
 model runner for a couple years when I found this one owner rig for
 $9.8k, very clean & very stock.Had'nt been there , had'nt done that.
 So................. It's 7 months later and I love what it's done for me
 & what I've done for it.(so far)Complete engine replacement (top &
 bottom end) complements of Toyota. Clutch, water pump, timing belt ,
 etc, outa my pocket. Rancho 9K, 15 x 8 blade rims with 32 x 11.5
 Perrelli Scorpions,Smitty nerf bars, Bushwacker fender flares,
 add-a-leaf, roof rack(details to come) .
 Self : spent 15 years shooting Grand Prix ,AMA, and AFM motorcycle
 roadracing from Ca to Fl. Now ready to shoot very off-road!
 Mike  flyinpastphotos@webtv.net
 or      fppstudios@webtv.net
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 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 08:40:02 -0500
 From: "Carl Mercer"  Subject: Re: 1998 Toyota Tacoma Limited TRD
 Mine is like every other Toyota I had but better. I disliked the heater
 controls on the older Toyota's and they changed it. I really wanted antilock
 brakes with the big tires and now I got it. The whole truck is solid and
 tough like the others I've owned. I briefly had a 96 GMC Sanoma ZR2, it was
 a great truck but it felt wrong. I can't really describe it but it wasn't a
 Toyota, it felt like a car or something. I think it isolated the driver too
 much from the environment. Anyway, thats my opinion after 5 days. :-)
 Carl (98 TRD)
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 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 08:57:30 -0500
 From: Jeff Tamulis  Subject: Re: Toyota 4x4 digest: V1 #785
 I just finished putting a Ford 5.0 into my 1987 4Runner, and yes the parking brake had to go 8-(.
 Jeff Tamulis
 jtamulis@sph.unc.edu> From: "MICHEL PRINCE" > Subject: Engine Swap/ Parking Brake?>>         I was looking through Mark's Adapters and they list a bracket to move or> relocate your parking brake. Is the parking brake in the way? I can see> where the bracket may touch the Chevy swap. What's the deal?
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 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 09:42:22 -0500
 From: Ed.Wong@astramerck.com
 Subject: 22RET injectors wanted
 Brian [desperately seeking injectors]
 You can buy rebuilt injectors that have been
 blueprinted and balanced from
 RC Engineering
 1728 Border Ave.
 Torrence CA 90501
 310.320.2277
 Russ - who runs the place - knows what he is doing.
 As fas as I can tell - Downey and NWOR get their
 injectors from RC.
 I wouldnt bother with junkyard injectos unless
 you really like to flush out your EFI system.
 [Marline Q]
 The Pictures I have seen show the second handle comming
 up through the little "pocket" hole that is just
 in front of the the storage box part of the center
 console.
 The JP Eater idea was to "weld" the two shifters to the same rail.
 There is only one shifter, becuase you shift BOTH transfer cases
 at the same time. In other words - you can have
 2WD hi
 4WD
 4WD lolo (both 2.25 gears engaged)
 But you can not get 4WD lo (single 2.25 gear)
 I have not seen the much better idea of having either three shifters,
 or a way to control all three shifts with one shifter.
 EWong
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 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:12:11 -0500
 From: Rob Ditusa  Subject: Pismo Beach trip Report -Reply
 Hey Chris,
 Sounds like a blast - the whole dunes thing. Maybe one day, I can
 make it out that way!! One question, tho.... is that 3 feet of SALT water
 you were crossing in that creek?? Man, that sounds scary! If so, how
 does the truck hold up to rust?? Just curious.
 RD
 1980 longbed
 TLCA# 6741
 http://www.geocities.com/baja/4407>>>  03/24/98 12:29am>>> The creek
 was only about 3/4 of the tire deep at the shallow end but
 about 3' deep in sections. I felt the need to find the deep parts
 to test the new "AJ" snorkel.
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 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:16:21 -0500
 From: Rob Ditusa  Subject: Re: Pismo Beach trip Report -Reply
 Any idea of the reason why you can't be a nice guy and offer help??
 RD
 1980 longbed
 TLCA# 6741
 http://www.geocities.com/baja/4407>>> Scott Wilson  03/24/98 01:17am>>> What Chris said about the enforcment of the soliciting law as Pismo is
 accurate.   Can you believe it?
 Anyway...bottom line for any of you that may venture to Pismo from time
 to time is ...You CANNOT offer help to those you do not know.  IF you
 are asked by the person in need for help, for assistance...then it is up
 to you if you want to help them or not, but if they don't ask you for
 help FIRST, you're breaking the law.
 We were REALLY curious to what the letter of the law said, so we went
 to
 the ranger station, and spoke with the supervisor, Ranger Ortiz (who is
 a pretty nice guy, BTW).  He showed us the law in print, and then bottom
 lined it for us.
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 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 09:26:45 -0600
 From: Jack Alford  Subject: Engine swap info
 Charles Brooks  wrote:>I found out today that the chevy 6.2L diesel uses the>same mounts as the 350. Not only that but it also uses>the same bellhousing pattern! I know it's bigger than>the sbc but...>>Does anyone know of this conversion into our trucks?
 Yep, these engines have the same bellhousing patterns motor mounts
 etc ... there is a web site on the net where a guy put a 6.5 into
 his cruiser and he gets 24-25 mpg around town ...
 Skip the 6.2 and go for the 6.5L, the 6.2L had quite a few problems.
 The 6.5 is alot better engine ... it's BIG though...
 - jack
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 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:37:15 EST
 From: DRM033  Subject: Re: Pismo Beach trip Report
 In a message dated 98-03-24 01:24:13 EST, you write:>  but if they don't ask you for>  help FIRST, you're breaking the law.>>  We were REALLY curious to what the letter of the law said, so we went to>  the ranger station, and spoke with the supervisor, Ranger Ortiz (who is>  a pretty nice guy, BTW).  He showed us the law in print, and then bottom>  lined it for us.> I say go ahead & break that one.  Take it to court.  I would be willing to bet
 that something like that would be laughed out of the courtroom.  How is it
 worded?  Does it say that you will be fined for helping someone?  Any legal
 type people in here wanna give an opinion on this one?
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 David Moore                                DRM033@aol.com
 90 Toyota Truck - 4" ProComp, 33" Swampers,4.88's
 rear ARB, front LockRite,TJM bumper & Ramsey 8000
 TLCA #5662
 Traxx In Motion 4 Wheel Drive Club
 www.netmatter.com/traxx
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 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:37:22 EST
 From: DRM033  Subject: Re: Chevota and engine swaps???
 In a message dated 98-03-24 01:21:28 EST, you write:>  Jeeps.. sure, but they're a bit short and the scrambler is a>  bit... I dunno, not what I want (but kinda close).
 This is an interesting point.  My Scrambler feels a lot like drivig a solid
 axle Toy.  The length is real close and I like it better than any other Jeep
 (I've had 2 CJ5's - WAY too short!).
 I was actually considering putting a Toy axle in the rear of my Scrambler.  I
 would love to hear the Jeep people scream in pain at that one!
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 David Moore                                DRM033@aol.com
 90 Toyota Truck - 4" ProComp, 33" Swampers,4.88's
 rear ARB, front LockRite,TJM bumper & Ramsey 8000
 TLCA #5662
 Traxx In Motion 4 Wheel Drive Club
 www.netmatter.com/traxx
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 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:37:25 EST
 From: DRM033  Subject: Re: running divorced transfercases
 In a message dated 98-03-24 07:01:02 EST, you write:> I run a rockwell military transfercase.
 You have any problem getting those?  How about parts?  I figured they are
 expensive, but bullteproof.>  The other option is to buy a ford 205>  transfercase and use the divorced parts of it on a chevy>  205. This gives you the correct side for toyota axles. (so>  I've heard) Happy hunting> Can anyone else verify this will work & you can convert one over?
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 David Moore                                DRM033@aol.com
 90 Toyota Truck - 4" ProComp, 33" Swampers,4.88's
 rear ARB, front LockRite,TJM bumper & Ramsey 8000
 TLCA #5662
 Traxx In Motion 4 Wheel Drive Club
 www.netmatter.com/traxx
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 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 11:00:42 -0500
 From: "wolfer1"  Subject: Re: Chevota and engine swaps???>This is an interesting point.  My Scrambler feels a lot like drivig a
 solid>axle Toy.  The length is real close and I like it better than any
 other Jeep>(I've had 2 CJ5's - WAY too short!).>>I was actually considering putting a Toy axle in the rear of my
 Scrambler.  I>would love to hear the Jeep people scream in pain at that one!
 I have owned  CJ5,6,7 and Scrambler's (still have a CJ 6 and CJ 7) and
 I agree the Scrambler feels alot like driving a Solid axel Toy.  About
 putting the Toy axel in the rear, it is a stronger rear end than the
 stock CJ8, but isn't the overall lenght  shorter on the Toy axle? I
 know the Toy axle will fit under the old CJ 2A without major mod's and
 that it is a pretty stright forward swap.  And this is not  a person
 screaming in pain. I believe it  would be a good swap if the length is
 right.
 Domenick
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 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 09:48:12 -0600
 From: Jack Alford  Subject: RE: Chevota and engine swaps???
 Jon Brandt wrote:>Your opinion that a chev. would be "more reliable" is base on the fact>that it is bigger. The iron in the chevy engine block is like butter.>What do you determine is reliable? Making it for one trip, or for 15+>years? You can change all the parts you want (at some expense), except for>the block, which remains cheap, soft iron. You can't expect it not to last>more than a year, w/ stop and start wheel'n every other week end. You can't>go every week end 'cause you're in the garage. I can say with scientific and>statistical basis that chevy's are not reliable enough to even compare>with toyota reliability. If you don't agree, join the chev list.
 I'm trying very hard to stay out of your own private little 'rant' that you
 have going on about chevy engines but the statements you make above
 are just about utterly ridiculous. Give me a break please. All you've ranted
 about for the past two days is YOUR opinions about this and that as to
 how Chevy engines aren't reliable. I've got numerous cases where Chevy
 engines, work horse engines have run and run and run ... with NO maintenance
 whatsoever ... not changing the oil, plugs, filters, not a thing. Granted a
 toyota engine could run for a long time under the same conditions ... but
 Toyota 4 cyl. engines just down have much power. Plain and simple ...
 As to the rest of your ranting ... you might want to look into rec.autos.4x4
 there are alot of other people with your mindset that might like to 'converse'
 with you.
 - jack
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 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 08:00:31 -0800
 From: Scott Wilson  Subject: Re: Pismo Beach trip Report -Reply
 Rob Ditusa wrote:>> Hey Chris,>>      Sounds like a blast - the whole dunes thing. Maybe one day, I can> make it out that way!! One question, tho.... is that 3 feet of SALT water> you were crossing in that creek?? Man, that sounds scary! If so, how> does the truck hold up to rust?? Just curious.> The stream is fresh water.....so we always try to cross as far upstream
 as possible to avoid the salt.  It works well.  The first trip there, I
 splashed in the surf, and had rust EVERYWHERE to clean up when I got
 home.  Since then I've played in the stream a lot, but never near the
 ocean, and rust isn't a problem.
 Scott
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 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 11:09:03 -0500
 From: Andrew Hojnowski  Subject: chevota and engine swaps.
 Chevota and engine swaps>> I don't see the toy 4 as a weak engine. I'm
 wondering why people don't>>  swap in, maybe the turbo EFI engines. I have a factory 22-RTE and V8>>  trucks just simply can't touch me on the hills...brand new Fords,
 Chevys,>>  Dodges, Range Rovers, you name it.>> Are you nuts?  I would love to take my dad's 98 Dakota Sport V8 4x4 and blow> your doors off on a hill.  I just can't believe a Toy turbo is that good.> Others please enlighten me if I am blind to the "V8 creaming power" of a> 22RTE.>> You are also comparing a little light truck to fullsize trucks.  Big weight> difference.
 I believe the Turbo 22RE only put out ~150hp. It is not in the V-8 class
 of power. The Toyota just has a weight advantage which will make its hp/lb
 higher. David is right. It is comparing apples and oranges.
 Since we're on the subject of engines, and swaps, does anyone know if it's
 possible to swap a 22R with a 22RTE? And how hard would it be? My 22R just
 has absolutely no power anymore.  I've got 140K miles, which isn't too bad.
 But when I'm on the Highway cruising about 65-70 the truck always
 decelerates on inclines, small or big, I can't keep up the speed, even with
 my foot to the floor.  I have to be going 75mph to get up a hill without
 slowing down.  I've been thinking about a swap for a long time, But I just
 don't know what to do.  What do you think?
 Thanks in advance!!
 Andrew>>>>85' 4x4 Std. Cab 3" body lift.
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 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 11:13:52 -0500 (EST)
 From: "Dr. Karl Bellve"  Subject: Re: Chevota and engine swaps???
 On Mon, 23 Mar 1998, Jon Brandt wrote:>> OK guys, this will be the end of it.> Don't argue with me, just look into it, man.>> The truth about chevy's products:>> 1. Their engine blocks ARE made out of soft iron, which wears quickly.>    Toyota uses a high nickle content iron alloy.>    Bet'cha didn't know that, but now you're think'n "oh, that's why..."> much deleted. The above is the only statement made in the whole email.> Conclusion: its a testosterone thing, baby. I'm a wuss!!!>> If I wanted to continue this string I would challenge some one to answer:> "What benefit does it have in the bush?", but I won't because I know the> answer. It means more intamate time with the truck :-)> I think you are underestimating american motors and over estimating toyota
 motors. The 22RE has problems with head warping. The 3.0V6 blows gaskets.
 My 22RE motor has already had timing chain replaced and needed a new head
 gasket when it blew and leaked coolant into the number 1 cylinder
 (previous owner showed records of oil changes every 3K miles). I believe
 the head is slightly warped since it doesn't mate well with my NWOR header
 (which mated extremely well on my old but same year 22RE). I think the
 motors are very underpowered and the 3.0V6 eats too much gas. I took a 400
 mile trip in my 22RE 4Runner with a friend in his 280+hp 1987 mustang GT
 (5.0 V8). Guess who got the best gas mileage? He did. He got 24mpg and I
 only got 22mpg. His engine has 150K+ miles but yet can do sub 14 sec
 quarter miles. He beats the hell out of that engine every weekend at the
 track but also takes care of it. My truck would be measured in minutes for
 a quarter mile.
 Here are some of the benefits.
 1) Improved gas mileage when towing. It is well known that a smaller
 engine will consume more gas when towing a large load compared to a V-8
 towing the same load. The smaller engine has to work outside its normal
 parameters.
 2) Improved torque curve. Torque will come on at a lower RPM. This is good
 for slow speed 4x4. 22RE does a good job of turning the factory tires but
 gives up the ghost on larger tires.
 3) Higher torque curve. Engine will produce more torque at any RPM. Nice
 for those long hills where now I have to downshift and increase the RPMs
 on my 22RE.
 4) Inexpensive parts. Parts are readily available from high performance
 manufacturers. You don't have to buy cheap parts but you can get high
 quality inexpensive parts from many manufacturers.
 5) Horsepower. I can keep the engine in a lower RPM to generate more
 horsepower than a 22RE to allow me to pass people, accelerate and tow. I
 wouldn't have to push the engine past 3500 rpms much at all. This actually
 reduces the wear and tear on the engine. A V-8 motor also distributes that
 wear and tear across larger and stronger components. If you are using 50hp
 to drive down the street, that 22RE will be distributing that 50hp on
 fewer and small components (4cylinder) while the V-8 will be distributing
 that same 50hp across more components which are larger and stronger.
 Compare the size of the connecting rods, or the piston size or the crank
 shaft. Now, if you are doing 1/4 mile runs, that V-8 has the ability to
 put out 225+hp which will allow more force on all the components. If you
 built a 22RE to put out 225+hp, I bet you would be rebuilding that motor
 every year. The stock components couldn't do it, nor should you want to do
 it. The reason you might be thinking that a V-8 is less reliable may be
 that it has to handle 225+hp and 300lbs of torque through out its life.
 The 22RE isn't even in the same ball park with 116hp (1985). I can't
 remember the torque figures but it isn't at all close to 300lbs.
 Now, I personally don't know of a V-8 that has needed a rebuild. My
 brother has a Chevy Caprice with a V-8 with 150K+ miles and a Pontiac GTA
 160K+ miles. Both motors are running very well. The above mustang GT still
 has the original motor. My grandfather still has a 454ci V-8 in New
 Zealand from 1971 that runs great on lpg and gas. He keeps putting it in
 different cars and boats.
 As far as toyota motors go. We had a camry that broke its timing belt at
 80K miles, which was replaced and the motor inspected. However, at 120K
 miles, a piston collasped and the motor blew, maybe due to a valve hitting
 a pistion earlier. It now has a rebuilt motor. My previous truck (22RE)
 needed a head gasket replacement, and a new timing chain at 140K miles. My
 current truck also needed a new head gasket, and has had its timing chain
 done.
 My brother-in-law has a Dakota 4x4 with the 319 V-8. It is very sweet to
 drive. When I hit the gas in that thing, it goes. No windup needed. No
 rubber band tightening. I have out accelerated many sport cars in that
 truck. Geo Metro's have out accelerated me in my 4Runner :-(
 As soon as my current motor goes, in goes a Ford HO V-8 with a T-5
 transmission.
 Cheers,
 Karl Bellve, Ph.D.
 Biomedical Imaging Group
 University of Massachusetts
 WWW  : http://molmed.ummed.edu/~kdb/
 Email: kdb@molmed.ummed.edu
 Phone: (508) 856-3785
 Fax  : (508) 856-1840
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 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 08:14:03 -0800
 From: Scott Wilson  Subject: Re: Pismo Beach trip Report
 DRM033 wrote:>>  but if they don't ask you for>>  help FIRST, you're breaking the law.>>>>  We were REALLY curious to what the letter of the law said, so we went to>>  the ranger station, and spoke with the supervisor, Ranger Ortiz (who is>>  a pretty nice guy, BTW).  He showed us the law in print, and then bottom>>  lined it for us.>>>> I say go ahead & break that one.  Take it to court.  I would be willing to bet> that something like that would be laughed out of the courtroom.  How is it> worded?  Does it say that you will be fined for helping someone?  Any legal> type people in here wanna give an opinion on this one?
 The law is in place to keep other companies from under bidding the ONE
 company that has the actual contract to tow in Pismo.  It's also to keep
 regular folk like you and me from 'stealing' tows from the tow company,
 and running them out of business.
 But when you find out the tow company's rates start at $100 and go up
 without limit, you really to wonder about this situation.  I've heard of
 motorhomes being charged $1000+ for assistance in crossing the 30 ft
 wide creek.   The going rate for tugging someone out of the creek this
 last saturday was $160....so Chris saved that guy a $160 tow, and
 accepted nothing in return.
 I think Chris spent a total of 2 minutes helping the guy...including
 driving over to where he was stuck, hooking up the strap, etc.  And the
 pull itself was VERY light.  2-3 guys with a rope could have done the
 same pull.  Plus they only need to be pulled 5 foot, so they could get
 outta the water.....any one actually think that is worth $160?   I sure
 don't.
 The kicker is that Chris wasn't trying to 'undercut' the tow
 company....he was trying to help a fellow wheeler in need...and it
 nearly got him in trouble.   Ridiculous, isn't it?
 Scott
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 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 11:38:29 -0500
 From: "John Aird"  Subject: $$$ Stock Shocks and Coils for Sale $$$
 I have a pair of rear shocks and rear coils from an 95 4runner for sale, Low
 mileage.
 Will take best offer.
 Please email me if  interested.
 Thanks,
 John Aird
 jaird@vwc.edu
 Computer Services
 Virginia Wesleyan College
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 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 11:41:06 -0500
 From: Karl Bellve  Subject: Installed T-13, lights, and old bumper
 Well, I finished installing my new TJM bull bar. I took pictures of my truck
 and the installation. As soon as I get them developed, I will post the pictures.
 Overall, I am very impressed. The bumper mounts are absolutely huge, and
 each one is mounted to the frame with 4 bolts, 8 bolts total. They are
 reenforced. 6 bolts than attach the bumper to the mounts, two on top, and 4
 in front. The top of the bumper is about 3-4 inches above the front of the
 hood. There are two light tabs and an antenna mount (which is on the wrong
 side for a USA truck). I mounted my license plate over the winch hole. I
 drilled two new holes in the license plate to make it line up with the
 bumper holes. But it looks like the license plate belongs there. The valence
 is still used, but it threads through a space in the bumper mounts. I might
 take it off later but it currently looks ok. The bumper comes with
 integrated turn signals that I spliced into my old connectors, then
 connected it to the truck.
 I am extremely happy I bought this bumper. Now, I just have to wait to see
 how it rusts. I will try and coat the inside with a sealent. I did put
 silicon around all the bolts to keep water out.
 I am also looking into two new driving lights. I am thinking about the Hella
 4000s. I am not sure which pattern to get yet. The only thing I really
 needed is a rust proof case and I think these Hellas use a zinc allow. Any
 suggestions? $250 is my limit for a pair of lights and harness.
 Now, I need to get rid of my old bumper and pushbar. If people need pieces
 of the old factory bumper (1985), I can send it to them. If they want the
 old pushar, make an offer. It mounts to the frame on the bottom, and to the
 top of the bumper. It is chrome with some rust but can be cleaned up with
 steel wool. It is fairly heavy duty.
 Cheers,
 Karl Bellve, Ph.D.
 Biomedical Imaging Group
 University of Massachusetts
 email: kdb@molmed.ummed.edu
 www  : http://molmed.ummed.edu/~kdb/
 phone: 508-856-3785
 fax  : 508-856-1840
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 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 11:44:06 -0500
 From: "Spangler, Michael G. (Information Services)"  Subject: Dynomax Super Turbo Muffler
 I just installed (actually Midas did it) a new Dynomax Super Turbo
 Muffler on my 94 3.0L V6 X-Cab Pickup. Midas replaced all the pipes and
 connectors from the cat back. As soon as I drove it from the shop I
 noticed a slight increase in horsepower. (This is the reason that I
 replaced it to begin with) The only thing I'm disappointed in is the
 sound. I thought by installing a Dynomax muffler the truck would have a
 deep "Throaty" sound, especially since it's a V6. (This Dynomax muffler
 is actually quieter than the original stock muffler!)
 I know a lot you guys on the List have switched to Dynomax from all the
 posts I've read. I'm just curious, was the muffler somehow installed
 wrong or is just supposed to sound quiet.
 Thanks,
 Mike
 1994 Toy-X-cab 3.0L V6. (Now very quiet driving down the road......)
 31" Dick Cepek AT's
 Black Diamond All Terrain Shocks
 Mantik Brush Guard w/ PIAA Pro 90 Series Lights
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 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 11:09:28 -0600
 From: Steven Benson  Subject: Trail Ride: Dresser Wisconsin May 22-25
 The Minnesota Go 4-Wheelers and Trollhaugen Ski Area Present:
 The 30th Annual Memorial '98 Total Off-Road Rally!
 May 22-25, 1998, Dresser, Wisconsin
 http://www.memorial4x4.org/
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 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 12:03:02 -0500
 From: Rob Ditusa  Subject: Re: Pismo Beach trip Report -Reply
 $160  for tugging someone out of the creek???? OUCH!!! I would rather
 dig for 3 days!!! (well, maybe not), but, Man!!!! That's robbery!!!!
 RD
 1980 longbed
 TLCA# 6741
 http://www.geocities.com/baja/4407>>> Scott Wilson  03/24/98 11:14am>>> But when you find out the tow company's rates start at $100 and go up
 without limit, you really to wonder about this situation.  I've heard of
 motorhomes being charged $1000+ for assistance in crossing the 30 ft
 wide creek.   The going rate for tugging someone out of the creek this
 last saturday was $160....so Chris saved that guy a $160 tow, and
 accepted nothing in return.
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 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:16:17 -0700
 From: Jason  Subject: head gaskets
 I just bought a 91 extended-cab with the 3.0 L V6 about eight months ago
 and I don't know whether or not it has had the head gaskets repaired
 under the recall.  Any suggestions on how to approach this with me being
 the third owner and not knowing whether or not the work has been done?
 Thanks, in advance.
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 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 12:24:23 -0500
 From: Rob Ditusa  Subject: some new webpage pix
 Hey All,
 Finally got some off-road pictures on my Toyota page. Nothing terribly
 exciting to look at on a computer screen, but I had fun taking them!! Take
 a look! Thanks,
 RD
 1980 longbed
 TLCA# 6741
 http://www.geocities.com/baja/4407
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 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 11:33:45 -0600
 From: John Vargas  Subject: Re: Dynomax Super Turbo Muffler
 It was mentioned to me by a list member that if you purchase the 2-chamber
 Dynomax its very throaty and the 3-chamber Dynomax is very quiet.  He
 (Todd) has the 2-chamber has it has that deep throaty sound. Very nice.
 John
 At 11:44 AM 3/24/98 -0500, you wrote:>I just installed (actually Midas did it) a new Dynomax Super Turbo>Muffler on my 94 3.0L V6 X-Cab Pickup. Midas replaced all the pipes and>connectors from the cat back. As soon as I drove it from the shop I>noticed a slight increase in horsepower. (This is the reason that I>replaced it to begin with) The only thing I'm disappointed in is the>sound. I thought by installing a Dynomax muffler the truck would have a>deep "Throaty" sound, especially since it's a V6. (This Dynomax muffler>is actually quieter than the original stock muffler!)>I know a lot you guys on the List have switched to Dynomax from all the>posts I've read. I'm just curious, was the muffler somehow installed>wrong or is just supposed to sound quiet.>>Thanks,>     Mike>>1994 Toy-X-cab 3.0L V6. (Now very quiet driving down the road......)>31" Dick Cepek AT's>Black Diamond All Terrain Shocks>Mantik Brush Guard w/ PIAA Pro 90 Series Lights>>>>>>>>============================================================================>Toyota 4x4 page: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota> ============================================================================
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 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 07:35:00 -1000 (HST)
 From: Eric Johnson  Subject: Re: Dynomax Super Turbo Muffler> I just installed (actually Midas did it) a new Dynomax Super Turbo> Muffler on my 94 3.0L V6 X-Cab Pickup. Midas replaced all the pipes and> connectors from the cat back. As soon as I drove it from the shop I> noticed a slight increase in horsepower. (This is the reason that I> replaced it to begin with) The only thing I'm disappointed in is the> sound. I thought by installing a Dynomax muffler the truck would have a> deep "Throaty" sound, especially since it's a V6. (This Dynomax muffler> is actually quieter than the original stock muffler!)> I know a lot you guys on the List have switched to Dynomax from all the> posts I've read. I'm just curious, was the muffler somehow installed> wrong or is just supposed to sound quiet.
 Um, isn't that the entire raison d'etre for a muffler?
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 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 09:37:33 -0800
 From: Eric_Stegall@amat.com
 Subject: Mystery gasket found in radiator???
 Hey listers....
 Vehicle:  92 4Runner, SR-5, V-6, Manual
 I was talking to my parents and they said their 4 Runner was getting very
 hot while sitting in traffic on their last road trip.  About 3 months ago,
 the coolant was 1/2 gallon low.  So I topped it off and said I would keep
 an eye on it.  Well this morning I decided to look into the radiator and it
 was low again.  I am thinking there is a possible leak somewhere in the
 cooling system.  So I take a closer look inside the radiator filler hole
 and I see this square rubber gasket.  I say ..."What the ..." and now I am
 totally confused as to what this could be.  It is about 1.5" X 2.5" with
 rounded corners.  Can anyone help me figure where this gasket came from and
 what to do about it?
 TIA
 Eric Stegall
 San Jose, CA
 78 FJ40 & 91 X-Cab
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 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 12:00:36 -0600
 From: "Michael Rowe"  Subject: Re: Dynomax Super Turbo Muffler
 I just put a Dynomax Super Turbo on my '88 V6 a month ago. It wasn't the
 bolt in Toyota replacement but was a universal oval one with 2.5" in and
 2.5" out. The replaced from the muffler back with an adapter from the stock
 small tubing to 2.5" tail pipe. My exhaust sound is throaty and breathes
 great. Gave some more HP from 2500- 3000 rpm. It's pretty quiet at anything
 above idle. The stock muffler was really quiet, so quiet you could hardly
 tell it was running. Of course the newer V6's have better flowing mufflers
 than the old ones. My moms stock '95 almost as loud as my Dynomax. Perhaps
 you got the cylindrical Toyota direct fit Dynomax. Mine is a 3 chamber that
 will work on a V8.
 Best Regards,
 Michael Rowe
 Tom Rowe & Associates
 m.rowe@tomrowe.com
 956-412-6600 (8am-5pm CST)
 - -----Original Message-----
 From: Spangler, Michael G. (Information Services)
 To: 'toy4x4@tlca.org'  Date: Tuesday, March 24, 1998 11:22 AM
 Subject: Dynomax Super Turbo Muffler>I just installed (actually Midas did it) a new Dynomax Super Turbo>Muffler on my 94 3.0L V6 X-Cab Pickup. Midas replaced all the pipes and>connectors from the cat back. As soon as I drove it from the shop I>noticed a slight increase in horsepower. (This is the reason that I>replaced it to begin with) The only thing I'm disappointed in is the>sound. I thought by installing a Dynomax muffler the truck would have a>deep "Throaty" sound, especially since it's a V6. (This Dynomax muffler>is actually quieter than the original stock muffler!)>I know a lot you guys on the List have switched to Dynomax from all the>posts I've read. I'm just curious, was the muffler somehow installed>wrong or is just supposed to sound quiet.>>Thanks,>     Mike>>1994 Toy-X-cab 3.0L V6. (Now very quiet driving down the road......)>31" Dick Cepek AT's>Black Diamond All Terrain Shocks>Mantik Brush Guard w/ PIAA Pro 90 Series Lights>>>>>>>>===========================================================================
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 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 09:53:45 -0800
 From: "Greg Martz (Volt Computer)"  Subject: RE: head gaskets
 Call your local toyota service shop, give them your VIN, and ask them if you
 are a part of that recall.  They will tell you.
 Greg
 -----Original Message-----
 From:	Jason [mailto:jpepperd@micron.net]
 Sent:	Tuesday, March 24, 1998 9:16 AM
 To:	Toy4x4@tlca.org
 Subject:	head gaskets
 I just bought a 91 extended-cab with the 3.0 L V6 about
 eight months ago
 and I don't know whether or not it has had the head gaskets
 repaired
 under the recall.  Any suggestions on how to approach this
 with me being
 the third owner and not knowing whether or not the work has
 been done?
 Thanks, in advance.
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 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:15:30 -0800
 From: Chris Geiger  Subject: Re: Pismo Beach trip Report -Reply> One question, tho.... is that 3 feet of SALT water you were crossing in that> creek?
 No the water in the Pismo creek is fresh water that runs into the ocean. I have
 very little problems with rust out here in CA
 Chris Geiger 93 4Runner http://geiger.mcl.ucsb.edu/offroad.html
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 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:17:00 -0800
 From: "Smith, Patrick S."  Subject: Spindle Nut Socket
 For an '84 I need the 54mm socket (OTC PN 09607-60020-01), yes?  The parts
 guy is telling me there's also a 55mm available so I want to be sure.
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 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:17:56 -0800
 From: "Jesse D. Wellman"  Subject: Engine swaps
 I am interested in learning more about a diesel swap.  I have heard that
 Izuzu makes/made a 4 cly diesel.  Would that be a good candidate for a swap
 in a 1982 pickup(4x4 toy of course).  What considerations for the tranny...,
 smog,....custom machining of "adaptor"type parts.
 Thanks,
 Jesse Wellman
 1982 4x4 toy project, 1993 4x4 toy daily driver
 jwellman@teckresourcesinc.com
 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:57:49 EST
 From: "james stevenson"  Subject: Re: Chevota and engine swaps???>For those of your running "swapped engines", any of you rockcrawlers???
 I am running a Chev 6.5 Intercooled Turbo Diesel. I have done about 30
 conversions with the 6.5 in the workshop. I use 4 gearboxes with the
 swap. The toy G52F 5 speed (bigger main bearings and the lower ration LC
 first gears) and marlin 4.7's in the Tcase.  The T350 auto for street
 driven rigs only. The Mitsubishi 3 ton truck 5 speed or the NV4500 with
 or without marlin gears. I have use the G52F in my truck and blown 3
 over 2 years rockcrawling. These are cheep and parts just about grow on
 trees here. I recently swapped to the NV4500 with marlin dual Tcase
 (4.7 ration in second Tcase). This works well but I needed to replace
 the tunnel and some of the firewall to do it. I get about 28 Mpg around
 town 20Mpg on the Freeway and 35Mpg offroad. Yes offroad uses less fuel
 and I chew fuel on the freeway due to the gears and the weight I'm
 pulling. I also get a tax rebate on the Diesel fuel making it about 30%
 cheaper then petrol.
 James Stevenson (TonkaTuf)
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 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:26:12 -0800
 From: Chris Geiger  Subject: Re: Pismo Beach trip Report -Reply>  Any idea of the reason why you can't be a nice guy and offer help at pismo?
 The Rangers talked about what would happen if the rope broke and someone got
 hurt. They also said that they want to support the local tow company that has
 the contract to due the towing on the beach. That day they were getting $165 to
 pull people out of the creek. I think this is a rip-off. Those of us that go
 wheeling should stick together. I am not going to destroy my truck trying to
 help out someone but If an easy pull is all they need that I consider that part
 of wheeling. If I had to pay a tow truck each time I got stuck I could not
 afford to go where I do. I rely (somewhat) on others with me. Before going into
 the water each time I made sure that one from our group was near by.
 It is an unchangeable part  of wheeling, if you see someone broke down on the
 trail you going to stop and help, get parts or what ever you can because AAA
 aint going to get there any time soon!
 Chris Geiger 93 4Runner http://geiger.mcl.ucsb.edu/offroad.html
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 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:30:02 -0800
 From: Chris Geiger  Subject: Re: Pismo Beach trip Report> I say go ahead & break that one.  Take it to court.  I would be willing to bet> that something like that would be laughed out of the courtroom.  How is it> worded?
 I don't have a copy but it was something to the affect that it was illegal to
 offer a service inside the park with out a state contract. It's all a matter of
 how you read it. I wonder how a judge would read it
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 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 13:30:46 -0500 (EST)
 From: Doug Berger  Subject: Re: head gaskets
 On Tue, 24 Mar 1998, Jason wrote:> under the recall.  Any suggestions on how to approach this with me being> the third owner and not knowing whether or not the work has been done?
 The dealership can tell you by your VIN.  Toyota has all the "warranty"
 service in the main database.
 - --
 Doug
 "I've been going to this high school for seven and a half years. I'm no
 dummy. I know high school girls."
 --Charles De Mar "Better Off Dead"
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 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:27:01 -0800
 From: "Vic & Lorelei"  Subject: Gears & Tranny Was Chevota
 Eric Johnson Wrote;>Look for an '81 4x4 to find some 3.90s. If the owner is running the stock>motor, he'd probably be glad to trade you :)
 Anyone on the list takers?  =8-)>With the 4.10's I can hit 70mph and be revving at 3700rpm.>You must not have an overdrive tranny to be pulling that high a speed with>those meats :) get yourself an NV4500 and have the best of both worlds :).
 The reason I did my swap was to do it cheap and properly. I still do not see
 the point in spending the big bucks on all the adapters.Just my opinion.
 Vic
 When approaching a four-way stop,
 the vehicle with the largest
 tires always has the right of way.
 ICQ # 895123
 http://www.cnx.net/~vsery/
 vsery@cnx.net
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 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 98 11:05:45 -0800
 From: dquezada@diabloresearch.com
 Subject: Hollister - Sat Mar28
 Esprit De Four will be making a day run to Hollister this
 Saturday. Meet at Scheller Road exit, southbound 101, south of the
 101/85 interchange around 9am. We'll probably be in the park by 10 am
 or so, running cb channel 4. All makes and levels of experience
 welcome to join us. Email me at   dquezada@diabloresearch.com   if you
 have questions. Hope to see some of you there...
 Dan
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 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 11:01:03 -0800
 From: "Himmerick, Bruce ET3"  Subject: Toyota P/U
 I Have a 89 Toyota P/U with a 22RE engine that has 199,000 miles.  I
 looking at to changing I was wondering if someone out there can tell me
 if I can take a Toyota V6 and tranny from a 89 or 90 Toyota P/U or
 4Runner and put it in my P/U with no problems.
 If you have any suggestions for comments please e-mail
 BHimmerick@SPB.SWFPAC.NAVY.MIL  or  Himbe64620@aol.com
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 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 11:03:51 -0800
 From: "Vic & Lorelei"  Subject: Why Chevota over other Type of truck....
 Jonathan Albrecht Wrote;>I dunno about other people, but I guess I've always wanted a v8 (I'm not>picky, chevy, ford, AMC, whatever!), but letsee.. what do they come in>(stock).  Jeeps.. sure, but they're a bit short and the scrambler is a>bit... I dunno, not what I want (but kinda close).  Bronco's and scouts>have them, and are also great trucks, but again.. not exactly what I'm>looking for (they make me feel like I'm sitting in bathtub.. albeit a>really capable and tough one!). The fullsizes are sorta affordable and>almost all of them have a v8, but they're so darn big..  I guess the>Toyota is just my favorite body/size/style... Just a personal preference>thing I guess!
 I am with you completely here Jonathan.>I actually was to the point that I was either gonna get a v8 landcruiser>(swapped in) or a v8 jeep.. but then this Toyota came up, and I figure>it's kinda the best mix.  You not only get the v8 power but you get it>in the Toyota body.  The question is how well the rest of the Toyota>stuff will hold up..
 I as well was looking at V8 LC'ers. Prices are way up there for a LC as it
 is and if you want a V8 in it it is outrages to me.>Offroad.. unless you really need to spin the tires the v8 doesn't really>have many advantages, and it uses more gas, adds more weight and>runs
 warmer.  I think I do better in my unlocked, un-geared IFS 4Runner>than I
 do with the locked/lifted/geared/leaf sprung chevota (mostly cause>I'm new
 to driving an auto), but hey, it's fun to drive, and is perfect for>back home (where I intend to leave it, no matter what my friends down>here say!!).
 I find that with the extra torque out of the V8 I dont need to keep my foot
 into it. So in fact my gas mileage has gone up for me in the bush and on the
 road. I went with the Chev 4-speed as I really dont like autos. Just me
 thow. To each there own.
 Another reason that I went to V8 in my Toy and not a Chev it the total
 weight thing. I can float across just abought anything with the flutter of
 the throttle where a Toy would power out and a Chev would either sink or
 spin and dig in. I wish ya'll could experience what a Chevota is capable of.
 I guess you know as your truck do the same thing. Just take it one step
 farther!! We all LOVE out trucks and that is why were here sharing our own
 personal experiences. If we were all the same life would be no fun. Right?
 COULD YOU ASK FOR ANYTHING MORE?  =8-)
 When approaching a four-way stop,
 the vehicle with the largest
 tires always has the right of way.
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 http://www.cnx.net/~vsery/
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 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 09:55:42 -1000 (HST)
 From: Eric Johnson  Subject: Re: Spindle Nut Socket
 On Tue, 24 Mar 1998, Smith, Patrick S. wrote:> For an '84 I need the 54mm socket (OTC PN 09607-60020-01), yes?  The parts> guy is telling me there's also a 55mm available so I want to be sure.
 That sounds expensive :) yeah, its 54mm, but i think a 2 1/8 Jeep socket
 will fit too. Might be easier to hunt down.
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 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 11:58:38 -0700 (PDT)
 From: Jon Brandt  Subject: Re: Chevota and engine swaps???
 On Mon, 23 Mar 1998, 4Runner wrote:>>The truth about chevy's products:>>>>1. Their engine blocks ARE made out of soft iron, which wears quickly.>>   Toyota uses a high nickle content iron alloy.>>   Bet'cha didn't know that, but now you're think'n "oh, that's why...">> SOME of their blocks are made of lower nickle content. You can determine> this by checking the casting codes on the block, bet'cha didn't know that.> You're right, I didn't know that!>> I'm not taking it personally but I'm a scientist so I look at the facts and> evidence that support the GM/FOMOCO Detroit fanatics.>>>>Conclusion: its a testosterone thing, baby. I'm a wuss!!!>> Popular Conclusion: it's a bang for the buck thing. Avg. income people tend> to go for this.>> So I too challenge with a question:> "What benefit does it NOT have in the bush that a Toy mill does?"
 So, make the change, just for the hell of it? No benifits, except size?>> When my Toy engine goes I'm plugging the hole with a Chevy. I wouldn't mind> building up a Toyota for simplicity sake as far as the conversion goes but> it just costs too @#$% much!>> Michael Rowe> http://www.southpadre.com/offroad.htm>> ============================================================================> Toyota 4x4 page: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota> Thanks for the info...that's the kind of stuff I look for.
 You are the second on this list to present facts on this issue.
 I have to say that I am much less confused about these conversions, now.
 I have noticed that many of you have converted over from 20R motors.
 THIS I can understand! They ARE gutless!!
 Like I've said before, though, I have a 22RTE. Stock, it had 135 hp and 178 ft.
 lbs. of torque. After changing the exhaust and tweeking the boost by 3
 psi. the results are astounding. Personally, I will never need more
 power. Yes, it does eat V8s on the hills. No, I'm sure it won't eat ALL,
 remember, it;s a 4.
 Just my side of the story....
 Jon Brandt
 shucks ur'all wriled up f'r nuth'n
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 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:08:10 -1000 (HST)
 From: Eric Johnson  Subject: Re: Engine swaps
 On Tue, 24 Mar 1998, Jesse D. Wellman wrote:> I am interested in learning more about a diesel swap.  I have heard that> Izuzu makes/made a 4 cly diesel.  Would that be a good candidate for a swap> in a 1982 pickup(4x4 toy of course).  What considerations for the tranny...,> smog,....custom machining of "adaptor"type parts.
 Forrgive me from asking the obvious... but have you considered a toyota
 4 cyl diesel? what do they call it, the 2-LT?
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 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 15:43:31 -0500
 From: "John Aird"  Subject: Head Gasket and V6 ??
 Does this head gasket replacement thing that everyone is talking about,
 Include v6's???
 I have a 95 4Runner V6 3.0  with 30,000 miles, should I be concerned???
 Thanks,
 John Aird
 jaird@vwc.edu
 Computer Services
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 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 14:49:28 -0600
 From: "Terry L. Bush"  Subject: Re: 1998 Toyota Tacoma Limited TRD
 What Color did you get?
 5 Speed or Auto?
 I got the Black Auto, I came close to a ZR2 Chev. I am glad I went for the
 Toyota.
 - ----------> From: Carl Mercer > To: toy4x4@tlca.org> Subject: Re: 1998 Toyota Tacoma Limited TRD> Date: Tuesday, March 24, 1998 7:40 AM>> Mine is like every other Toyota I had but better. I disliked the heater> controls on the older Toyota's and they changed it. I really wanted
 antilock> brakes with the big tires and now I got it. The whole truck is solid and> tough like the others I've owned. I briefly had a 96 GMC Sanoma ZR2, it
 was> a great truck but it felt wrong. I can't really describe it but it wasn't
 a> Toyota, it felt like a car or something. I think it isolated the driver
 too> much from the environment. Anyway, thats my opinion after 5 days. :-)>>> Carl (98 TRD)>>>>> ============================================================================> Toyota 4x4 page: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota
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 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 13:15:42 -0700 (PDT)
 From: Ken Emanuel  Subject: Re: 1998 Toyota Tacoma Limited TRD>>> "Terry L. Bush"  03/23/98 08:16PM>>>>I have found what sounded like a good deal on some SR5 wheels, and>have sent the money off for them. I am going to fix this truck up as>close to new as possible.
 Terry,
 I'm glad you found a set of wheels like you were looking for.  There
 aren't too many manufacturers that make aluminum rims with the 4.5"
 backspacing that Toyota wheels have.  (This prevents the wheels and tires
 from protruding out of the wheelwells.)  The SR5 cast aluminum rims seem
 tougher than aftermarket aluminum ones.  I like the way they look too.
 As far as "restoring" your '87, as I mentioned before, the '89-'95 rear
 bumpers will fit your truck nicely.  You also mentioned wanting to replace your
 SR5 striping.  When the bed of my truck was repainted after someone hit me,
 the right side and tailgate stripes, "Toyota" name badge, and "SR5"
 badges were all available from Toyota, however they no longer have left
 side stripes ANYWHERE.  Mine had to be custom made via computer and I
 am amazed how identical they look to the "real" stripes.  I had it done
 in Sacramento, CA and I can send you the info if you would like.>In the interim, I got a wild hair and purchased a new 98 Tacoma TRD.>This truck is pretty neat.>Does anyone out there like/ dislike, have comments on the TRD truck?
 Congratulations!  I think that it's awesome that Toyota makes lockers
 available from the factory (Tacomas, 4Runners, and Land Cruisers).  They
 have no negative on-road behavior just like the expensive ARB Air
 lockers.  The Tacomas weigh 400 lbs. less than the trucks they replace and
 the V6s have 40 more horsepower than the V6 it replaces.  Makes for a
 fun-to-drive package.  The progressive coils and unique rear springs make
 up for the soft ride than some complain about with the non-TRD trucks.  I
 have heard people say that the Tacomas are not constructed as well as the
 previous generation trucks and develop more squeaks and rattles earlier, but I
 have only heard not experienced.
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 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 16:20:12 -0500
 From: "Carl Mercer"  Subject: Re: 1998 Toyota Tacoma Limited TRD
 I got a Sunfire Red TRD 5 speed. It has the SR5 package with anti lock
 brakes and the all weather guard package. I really like it so far. I may put
 the supercharger on in the future but I have more important things to do to
 it first. I just got a pop-up sun-roof and an alarm system. Next week I have
 a bed-liner sprayed in (my second, I loved the first) and I got a bed cover
 coming this weekend. Then comes the stereo. :-)
 The ZR2 was nice looking in its own way. Its not as refined as the Toyota,
 more of a rugged look (but good). I didn't like the engine. It was load and
 weak and low revving. The interior was all right but the Toyota's better.
 Hows the limited option? What did it give you?
 Carl
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 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 13:27:53 -0700 (PDT)
 From: Jon Brandt  Subject: Re: Chevota and engine swaps???
 On Tue, 24 Mar 1998, wolfer1 wrote:> Jon wrote:> Making it for one trip, or for 15+ years? You can change all the parts> you want (at some expense), except for the block, which remains cheap,> soft iron. You can't expect it not to last more than a year, w/ stop> and start wheel'n every other week end. You can't> go every week end 'cause you're in the garage.>> I have to disagree with this statement and this is from fact. I have> helped with a few Chevy 350 conversions in Toyota's and all of them> have gone over 200,000 miles encluding the one I did for myself. No> major rebuilds a water pump was the most severe thing. Does that> constitute major garage time? They have been to Moab, Santiago Canyon> to the glaciers in Alaska an several points in-between with these> conversions. Can your turbo boast that claim?
 I don't know...is 215,000 enough?>> I never said that my stock rice burner has more power than a V8.> No but you did say "I have a factory 22-RTE and V8> trucks just simply can't touch me on the hills...brand new Fords,> Chevys,> Dodges, Range Rovers, you name it." My neighbor's son has a Toy turbo> 15k on rebuild and it can not touch my father in laws Dodge Ram 318> V-8 on a hill this was proven when I help move him and was towing a> 15ft trailer full and still passed him up a 6% grade hill with ease> and not even at full throttle. Did you ever consider that the other> trucks were not trying to keep up with you on the hills? You talk
 Gee, I think for sure they were. It's typical. I keep an even 70... they
 tailgate me down hill, so I let them pass, only to get stuck behind them
 on the up hill. I can tell they are making their engine puke to try and
 dust me, 'cause its smoke'n when they downshift. Do they pull away? No. I
 usually pass them in the slow lane, eventually.
 Just a note: my engine is bone stock. I do have exhaust and 9psi (vs. 6).
 This made huge changes: an already peppy engine turned into what feels,
 by the seat of the pants, to be twice as powerful.
 Now, stop is guys we're crudding up the list!!!> about "FACTUAL INFORMATION and What I say is the truth " where are you> getting this information from? Can you share this with me so I can> read it for myself?  You also said " I know more about the metallurgy> of the Chevy engine than, it seems anyone who has commented." How do> you know more, are you a metallurgist? Yes all the big three at one> point used not so good quality in their iron, but thing back to the> 70's and Toyota they did the same thing. Your trying to compare a> fairly current Toy motors to a older Chevy motors. Here your comparing> apples to oranges. Last question you said "Let's> try...technology...naw, never mind...PUSHRODS RULE"  What technology
 technology? Isn't is OBVIOUS that I'm refering to pushrods??? Its in
 the same sentence, isn't it? pushrods are the latest in efficiency in power.
 I retract my statement, you're right.> are you referring too? As you said "I don't think that anyone should> keep quiet, just to avoid conflict." I'm not keeping quiet about this> I would just like some answers to my questions.>> Thanks> Domenick>>>> ============================================================================> Toyota 4x4 page: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota> Jon
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 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 13:04:37 -0800
 From: Chris Geiger  Subject: Re: Head Gasket and V6 ??> I have a 95 4Runner V6 3.0  with 30,000 miles, should I be concerned???
 Yes, it's going to fail sonner or later.
 Chris Geiger 93 4Runner http://geiger.mcl.ucsb.edu/offroad.html
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 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 13:10:56 -0700 (PDT)
 From: Jon Brandt  Subject: Re: Pismo Beach trip Report
 I have to agree with you on that one, Chris. The Rangers have gone too
 far. I suspect that the tow co.s have whined to them about too many
 friendly people cutting into their buisness of ripping people off. Ken
 had a good idea: make a magnetic sign that says "FREE TOWING, JUST ASK".
 That way you are not soliciting your services (friendly help) to
 strangers. I don't think that they would take kindly to that.
 I never realized that towing was so expensive there...never stuck alone.
 I guess every body's got to make a living, but this is a mandated private
 monopoly! You should have to have a licence to charge for towing, this I
 understand. What ever happened to friendly help?!!!
 Glad you guys had a good time, sorry I couldn't join you. Sounds like
 your last minute snorkel worked well.
 'till next time, Jon
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 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 13:12:39 -0700 (PDT)
 From: Ken Emanuel  Subject: Toyota 22RTE engine swap>>> Andrew Hojnowski  03/24/98 08:09AM>>>>Since we're on the subject of engines, and swaps, does anyone know if>it's possible to swap a 22R with a 22RTE?
 I have heard of this being done on several occasions.  The "Toyota Bible"
 by Moses Ludel has an article on how to swap a fuel injected 22R-E into a
 truck that came with a carburated engine.  They comment that swapping a
 22R-TE for a 22R would be the same.
 I was watching a video while I was at Central Fourwheel Drive in
 Sacramento and a guy had an '85 4Runner with tons of wheeltravel,
 lockers front and rear, 33" tires, and a turbo engine from an
 '87 truck.  VERY nice rig!!  I think it's a great engine.
 Has tons of power and very reliable.  Has the power of the V6
 and the gas mileage of the 4 cylinder.
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 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 12:12:23 -0800
 From: Brian Gallus  Subject: Removing clearcoat
 I have 5 Weld wheels that were clear-coated about a year and a half ago.
 There is a bit of corrosion under the clear coating, so I want to remove
 the coating and re-polish the wheels.  I talked to a wheel shop and they
 said the only option was beadblasting and professional polishing at the
 cost of $175/each wheel.  I'd buy more wheels before doing that!
 Anyone have any ideas?  I'm not opposed to using a little elbow grease
 here, just need a starting point.
 thanks,
 bkg
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 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 14:37:10 -0700
 From: Matters C TSgt 366 DS/SGD  Subject: RE: Engine swaps> ----------> From: 	Eric Johnson[SMTP:ej@unix.off-road.com]> Reply To: 	toy4x4@tlca.org> Sent: 	Tuesday, March 24, 1998 1:08 PM> To: 	toy4x4@tlca.org> Subject: 	Re: Engine swaps>> On Tue, 24 Mar 1998, Jesse D. Wellman wrote:>>> I am interested in learning more about a diesel swap.  I have heard> that>> Izuzu makes/made a 4 cly diesel.  Would that be a good candidate for> a swap>> in a 1982 pickup(4x4 toy of course).  What considerations for the> tranny...,>> smog,....custom machining of "adaptor"type parts.>> Forrgive me from asking the obvious... but have you considered a> toyota> 4 cyl diesel? what do they call it, the 2-LT?> This may be an issue of availability, Toyota engines are scarce.
 Specter list's them (2L-T) in their catalog though, not sure of price.
 Regards,
 Creig
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