Toy4x4 Digest          Fri, 30 Jan 98 00:30:02 (HST)  Volume 1 : Issue 682
 Today's Topics:
 13.......not so unlucky!
 2 Inch Receiver Socket
 4.88 or 4.56?
 4WD indicator light on dash of '86  4Runner
 A/C Recharging (4 msgs)
 ARB pricing
 gears for your tacoma
 mail to Motive Gear
 Marlin T-Case (5 msgs)
 Oil Pressure
 Onboard air (8 msgs)
 Rear axle oil seal replacement (2 msgs)
 rollbar for sale (3 msgs)
 Rubicon
 Rubicon Trail Closed (9 msgs)
 Rubicon Trail Closed - dates
 Rubicon trip
 Smittybuilt Nerf Bars (was Marlin T-Case)
 solid axle or IFS lock-out hub???
 Toyota City of Dallas
 u-joint stuff (2 msgs)
 Unsubscribe
 Welding axles, tough truck competition, etc.
 white smoke
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 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 17:56:27 -0700
 From: daves8@juno.com (DAVE SCHOENBERG)
 Subject: 13.......not so unlucky!
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 Jay,
 Sorry to hear you didn't get the diamonds you really wanted........ Dave Schoenberg, Arvada, Colorado-----Who else gives advice like this???
 '81 Toy/'86 EFI engine/5-spd/xfer--an' I did it all myself, with NO
 Liquid Nails!!
 Brakes and heater both work exceedingly well, thank you.
 Thank You for subscribing to "Dave's Automotively Mechanical Humor Line".
 DaveS8@Juno.com
 On Wed, 28 Jan 1998 13:46:10 -0700 "Jay Kopycinski"
 writes:>I dunno what the traditional 13th wedding anniversary gift is, but my
 wife informed me that mine is a Marlin>Crawler :-) .......'course she ended up with diamonds, but that's how it
 goes  ;-)
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 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:10:44 -0800
 From: James Brink  Subject: 2 Inch Receiver Socket
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 Barney McNamara wrote:>> Do any of you with custom rear bumpers have the stock receiver> socket that bolts on the bottom of the oval bumpers just lying> around? Want to get rid of same? Know where one might be available?
 Try Con-Ferr. They have several types of receiver hitches and
 accesories.
 818/848-2025
 818/848-2230
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 Jim Brink, Toyota/ASE Certified Technician	1986 Std. Bed 4x4
 Manhattan Beach, CA				32x11.50/15 BFG M/Ts
 ToyTech@Off-Road.com
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 TLCA - Friends of the Mojave Road (FOMR) - CA4WDC
 ------------------------------
 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 98 18:59:21 PST
 From: "MICHEL PRINCE"  Subject: 4.88 or 4.56?
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 I've got an '85 4SKINRUNNER and I was wondering who's tried this tire gear combo. I now have 32's and I'm still running my 4.10's. I'm wanting to know if anyone has ran 32's with a 4.88 gear. What RPM range would I be looking at? Would it be like trying to drive in 4 low with the 4.88's? I've done many gear changes but, they've all been with 35" or larger. I had a perfect set up with my 36" Buckshots and a 5.29 gear. My 38" Monster Gumbo's even ran real good with a 5.71. I've now come down to earth back to a smaller Toy for my daily driver. I pull a bass boat alot and I don't want to over or under gear my 4SKINRUNNER. Please send any information possible to HammerHead1@worldnet.att.net
 ------------------------------
 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 17:58:38 -0700
 From: daves8@juno.com (DAVE SCHOENBERG)
 Subject: 4WD indicator light on dash of '86  4Runner
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 There is a switch on the transfer case-- see if it's unplugged-you may
 have just tugged on the wire and pulled the plug off.  Either plug it in
 if it needs it or unplug it and jump the wires inside the plug.   If the
 light goes on, it means the switch is bad.  If it doesn't go on, then
 something in the wiring is bad(or the bulb).  You can also put an
 ohmmeter (or continuity tester) across the switch terminals and check
 continuity with the lever both in and out of 4wd.  Don't forget that you
 also have a backup light switch under there, too.  Make sure you test the
 right one.
 Seems like it should be related to the interior wiring (not the switch)
 since you just replaced the carpet,  but I've seen stranger coincidences.
 Oh, yeah, a little Liquid Nails will keep that wire from unplugging
 again........
 Dave Schoenberg, Arvada, Colorado-----Who else gives advice like this???
 '81 Toy/'86 EFI engine/5-spd/xfer--an' I did it all myself, with NO
 Liquid Nails!!
 Brakes and heater both work exceedingly well, thank you.
 Thank You for subscribing to "Dave's Automotively Mechanical Humor Line".
 DaveS8@Juno.com>--- You wrote:>The 4WD indicator light on my instrument cluster does Not>work anymore for some strange reason, after installing New>carpet in my 1986 4Runner.
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 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 21:10:59 -0800
 From: Ken Emanuel  Subject: A/C Recharging
 To: Toyota E-mail List Group  Hi all,
 My truck was involved in a traffic accident a few years ago that
 severed the air conditioning line that runs into the air conditioning
 condensor.  I had the aluminum line welded last year in hopes of coming
 up with enough money to have the system recharged (I'm a college
 student.)  So the air conditioning system has been without any freon for
 3 years now, and I was wondering if it would even be worth it to try and
 have it recharged.  I figured that by now all of the seals may be bad,
 and most A/C places charge a lot of $$ to evacuate and test the system.
 So for you A/C experts, what do you think?  Keep in mind that Freon
 (R12) costs about $150-175 to fill my system.  It's an '87 model year.
 Thanks a lot,
 Ken Emanuel
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 Ken Emanuel                     Emanuel@csus.edu
 '87 Xtra Cab SR5    (22R-E)
 http://webpages.csus.edu/~sac75830/toystuff.htm
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 ------------------------------
 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 23:16:45 -0600
 From: "Steve C."  Subject: A/C Recharging
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 Ken Emanuel wrote:> So for you A/C experts, what do you think?  Keep in mind that Freon> (R12) costs about $150-175 to fill my system.  It's an '87 model year.>> Thanks a lot,> Ken Emanuel
 Ken where do you live?
 - --
 Steve Capuano			1996 Tacoma ext cab V6 4X4
 capuano@hypercon.com		31x10.50x15 Wrangler RT/S
 Houston, Texas			Rear LockRight  K&N filter
 Edelbrock headers
 NRA lifetime member		Dynomax 2.5" cat back
 ------------------------------
 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 21:20:09 -0800
 From: James Brink  Subject: A/C Recharging
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 Ken Emanuel wrote:>> Hi all,>    My truck was involved in a traffic accident a few years ago that> severed the air conditioning line that runs into the air conditioning> condensor.  I had the aluminum line welded last year in hopes of coming> up with enough money to have the system recharged (I'm a college> student.)  So the air conditioning system has been without any freon for> 3 years now, and I was wondering if it would even be worth it to try and> have it recharged.  I figured that by now all of the seals may be bad,> and most A/C places charge a lot of $$ to evacuate and test the system.> You would have to have the entire system evac'ed then recharged again to
 check for leaks. Most likely, the o-rings that seal the lines to the
 condenser are shot (common in these models). If the system is completly
 empty, you can buy the o-rings from Toyota (under $20) and replace these
 yourself.  Count on replacing the dryer assembly too (about $30).
 In addition, not running an A/C compressor for long periods of time can
 have adverse effects too.
 - --
 Jim Brink, Toyota/ASE Certified Technician	1986 Std. Bed 4x4
 Manhattan Beach, CA				32x11.50/15 BFG M/Ts
 ToyTech@Off-Road.com
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 TLCA - Friends of the Mojave Road (FOMR) - CA4WDC
 ------------------------------
 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 23:20:35 -0600
 From: "Steve C."  Subject: A/C Recharging
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 never mind on your location Ken I see you are in Sacramento
 You could always take a field trip to Arizona the governor of Arizona I
 think declared that cfc's werent to be banned in his state.
 This was a few yrs back tho.
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 Steve Capuano			1996 Tacoma ext cab V6 4X4
 capuano@hypercon.com		31x10.50x15 Wrangler RT/S
 Houston, Texas			Rear LockRight  K&N filter
 Edelbrock headers
 NRA lifetime member		Dynomax 2.5" cat back
 ------------------------------
 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:30:45 -0700
 From: "Jay Kopycinski"  Subject: ARB pricing
 To: Toyota 4x4 List ,
 I called around today checking for ARB prices.
 Best I found was at Drive Train Warehouse,
 which is actually 4WPW I guess.
 The guy quoted me $585 for the ARB and
 $85 for a master gear install kit. Ground shipping
 was free.
 Anybody seen better prices than this?
 Jay Kopycinski    '85 Toylet  (ROKTOY)
 ------------------------------
 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:06:20 -0800
 From: "Kgillis"  Subject: gears for your tacoma
 To:  it is possible and probably cheaper to go with a set of 437 with the extra
 power the new engiens put out they should suit your purpose
 keith
 ------------------------------
 Date: 29 Jan 98 15:34:32 PST
 From: Norman.Goetz@directory.reed.edu (Norman Goetz)
 Subject: mail to Motive Gear
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 None of the e-mail addresses on the Motive Gear web site work.  If anyone has a
 valid address for them, I'd like to send them some mail encouraging them to
 offer Tacoma gear sets.
 Norman
 ------------------------------
 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 15:02:57 -0800
 From: Scott Muir  Subject: Marlin T-Case
 To: "Toy4x4@tlca.org"  Speaking of marlins (note the small m)
 I took a cruise by Marlin's website and I have some questions now, for anyone
 who
 have these things....
 I'm mostly interested in the dual tcase.  The 4.7 gears sound like they are
 really limiting.
 Anyways with respect to the Dual Tcase, it says 'Bolt on unit; No Welding
 Required'.  So what's the deal with the
 tranny crossmember? Doesn't it have to get moved???
 What are:
 Keyway for shift fork?
 Multiple Shift Locations available?
 Anyone have the lowdown on this?
 Scott.
 ------------------------------
 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:40:07 -0700
 From: "Jay Kopycinski"  Subject: Marlin T-Case
 To: Toyota 4x4 List  DFritzsc%GWMHS.CADEPTED@smtp.cde.ca.gov wrote:>Have you ordered it yet. I ordered mine in November and I got it two weeks
 ago.>He is really backed up on the gear change transfer cases. I think that you
 can>get the dual t-case with out the gear change pretty quick.
 He's out now. Should have more in about two weeks.
 Jay Kopycinski    '85 Toylet  (ROKTOY)
 ------------------------------
 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 19:51:38 -0800
 From: "Brandon Miller"  Subject: Marlin T-Case
 To: >I took a cruise by Marlin's website and I have some questions now, for
 anyone>who>have these things....>>I'm mostly interested in the dual tcase.  The 4.7 gears sound like they are>really limiting.>>Anyways with respect to the Dual Tcase, it says 'Bolt on unit; No Welding>Required'.  So what's the deal with the>tranny crossmember? Doesn't it have to get moved???> No. the adapter goes behind the original case so the crossmember still bolts
 up.>What are:>   Keyway for shift fork?
 Gotta weld that one or have him weld it. He did it for me>  Multiple Shift Locations available?> You don't have to have three shifters, but then you might as well get the
 4.7.>Anyone have the lowdown on this?>>Scott.>> ------------------------------
 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 00:23:32 -0500
 From: Darren Floen  Subject: Marlin T-Case
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 I've got a few questions myself.#1 If you choose only one shifter,then
 are both low ranges activated,or can you select one high one low,both
 low etc?If its just both low,and you only want one shifter,might as well
 get the 4.7 single case.#2 why then did Fourwheeler mag have to relocate
 the tranny Xmember?Any idea on prices?I was planning on a 4.7 case,but
 now i think i'll order a dual setup(maybe i should get a wife like
 Jay's).
 Darren
 Brandon Miller wrote:>>>I took a cruise by Marlin's website and I have some questions now, for> anyone>>who>>have these things....>>>>I'm mostly interested in the dual tcase.  The 4.7 gears sound like they are>>really limiting.>>>>Anyways with respect to the Dual Tcase, it says 'Bolt on unit; No Welding>>Required'.  So what's the deal with the>>tranny crossmember? Doesn't it have to get moved???>>>> No. the adapter goes behind the original case so the crossmember still bolts> up.>>>What are:>>   Keyway for shift fork?>> Gotta weld that one or have him weld it. He did it for me>>>  Multiple Shift Locations available?>>> You don't have to have three shifters, but then you might as well get the> 4.7.>>>Anyone have the lowdown on this?>>>>Scott.>>>> ------------------------------
 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 22:20:41 -0800
 From: "Brandon Miller"  Subject: Marlin T-Case
 To:  The early crawlers were different, it was a requirement to move the
 crossmember.  I think marlin has a deal where both the shifters come out at
 the same spot and that is one of the shifter locations for more $$$
 Call Marlin, seriously he'll talk your ears off with details, there is no
 better source for info!  I have even called him for other unrelated
 questions, he is VERY helpful.
 - -----Original Message-----
 From: Darren Floen  To: Toy4x4@tlca.org  Date: Thursday, January 29, 1998 9:27 PM
 Subject: Re: Marlin T-Case>I've got a few questions myself.#1 If you choose only one shifter,then>are both low ranges activated,or can you select one high one low,both>low etc?If its just both low,and you only want one shifter,might as well>get the 4.7 single case.#2 why then did Fourwheeler mag have to relocate>the tranny Xmember?Any idea on prices?I was planning on a 4.7 case,but>now i think i'll order a dual setup(maybe i should get a wife like>Jay's).>>Darren>>Brandon Miller wrote:>>>>>I took a cruise by Marlin's website and I have some questions now, for>> anyone>>>who>>>have these things....>>>>>>I'm mostly interested in the dual tcase.  The 4.7 gears sound like they
 are>>>really limiting.>>>>>>Anyways with respect to the Dual Tcase, it says 'Bolt on unit; No
 Welding>>>Required'.  So what's the deal with the>>>tranny crossmember? Doesn't it have to get moved???>>>>>>> No. the adapter goes behind the original case so the crossmember still
 bolts>> up.>>>>>What are:>>>   Keyway for shift fork?>>>> Gotta weld that one or have him weld it. He did it for me>>>>>  Multiple Shift Locations available?>>>>> You don't have to have three shifters, but then you might as well get the>> 4.7.>>>>>Anyone have the lowdown on this?>>>>>>Scott.>>>>>> ------------------------------
 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 19:14:19 -0500
 From: Ed Ruf  Subject: Oil Pressure
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 On 02:18 PM 1/29/98 -0800, Jay Biery wrote:>I bought my 85 SR5 22R-E with 100,000 miles on it.  The oil pressure
 gauge>rarely reads better than half way.  When the motor is hot, and
 idling,  the>pressure is very low.  My buddy has an 86 22R-E, and his reads
 pretty low>too.  Is this normal, or do we both have a problem?
 Somewhat normal. The oil pump is aluminum and known to wear with age.
 so take that and an engine with a few miles and........
 LC Engineering makes one that's been hard anodized for wear. When I
 ever rebuild either of mine I think I'm going to go that route.
 Ed
 ------------------------------
 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:05:32 -0800
 From: "Todd and Terry Steele"  Subject: Onboard air
 To: "Toyota Digest"  Well, I finally finished my on board air.  All totalled, it cost about $140.
 Using a stock celica a/c compressor, it takes about 2 minutes to fill a
 33-9.50 BFG from flat to 30 psi.  Now I get to see how long the stock type
 compressor will last.
 Todd
 His:  87 Toyota 4X4, Marlin Tcase #180, EZ Lockers F/R, Custom rear bumper
 and nerfs, Ramsey F bumper, Trailmaster/Superlift 4", 33-9.5 BFG MT's.
 Custom Body by Sierra Nevada.
 ------------------------------
 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:05:32 -0800
 From: "Todd and Terry Steele"  Subject: Onboard air
 To: "Toyota Digest"  Well, I finally finished my on board air.  All totalled, it cost about $140.
 Using a stock celica a/c compressor, it takes about 2 minutes to fill a
 33-9.50 BFG from flat to 30 psi.  Now I get to see how long the stock type
 compressor will last.
 Todd
 His:  87 Toyota 4X4, Marlin Tcase #180, EZ Lockers F/R, Custom rear bumper
 and nerfs, Ramsey F bumper, Trailmaster/Superlift 4", 33-9.5 BFG MT's.
 Custom Body by Sierra Nevada.
 ------------------------------
 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 19:50:25 +0000
 From: Chris Geiger  Subject: Onboard air
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 Todd and Terry Steele wrote:> Well, I finally finished my on board air.  All totalled, it cost about> $140.> Using a stock celica a/c compressor, it takes about 2 minutes to fill> a> 33-9.50 BFG from flat to 30 psi.  Now I get to see how long the stock> type> compressor will last.
 Let see 2 minutes X 4 tires X 25 Trucks on the Rubicon this summer
 =3.33 hours, that should be a good test!
 Chris Geiger 93 4Runner http://geiger.mcl.ucsb.edu/offroad.html
 ------------------------------
 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 23:02:30 -0500
 From: Darren Floen  Subject: Onboard air
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 Were you able to use the stock engine bracket for the compressor?I
 really need onboard air,for the work i do(when i'm not laid-off).It
 looks pretty cramped where the compressor would have to go though,below
 the throttle body.
 Darren
 Todd and Terry Steele wrote:>> Well, I finally finished my on board air.  All totalled, it cost about $140.> Using a stock celica a/c compressor, it takes about 2 minutes to fill a> 33-9.50 BFG from flat to 30 psi.  Now I get to see how long the stock type> compressor will last.>> Todd> His:  87 Toyota 4X4, Marlin Tcase #180, EZ Lockers F/R, Custom rear bumper> and nerfs, Ramsey F bumper, Trailmaster/Superlift 4", 33-9.5 BFG MT's.> Custom Body by Sierra Nevada.
 ------------------------------
 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 20:12:50 -0800
 From: Ken Emanuel  Subject: Onboard air
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 Todd and Terry Steele wrote:>> Well, I finally finished my on board air.  All totalled, it cost about $140.> Using a stock celica a/c compressor, it takes about 2 minutes to fill a> 33-9.50 BFG from flat to 30 psi.  Now I get to see how long the stock type> compressor will last.> Well, I guess if it costs too much to recharge my A/C, I can turn my
 compressor into a TIRE INFLATER!  What must be done to make this work?
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 Ken Emanuel                     Emanuel@csus.edu
 '87 Xtra Cab SR5    (22R-E)
 http://webpages.csus.edu/~sac75830/toystuff.htm
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 ------------------------------
 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 20:35:23 -0800
 From: "Todd and Terry Steele"  Subject: Onboard air
 To:  Todd wrote:
 it takes about 2 minutes to fill>> a>> 33-9.50 BFG from flat to 30 psi.  Now I get to see how long the stock>> type>> compressor will last.> Chris Geiger wrote:>Let see 2 minutes X 4 tires X 25 Trucks on the Rubicon this summer>=3.33
 hours, that should be a good test!
 Yeah, but you guys get to fill your own after mine are done!!!
 Todd
 His:  87 Toyota 4X4, Marlin Tcase #180, EZ Lockers F/R, Custom rear bumper
 and nerfs, Ramsey F bumper, Trailmaster/Superlift 4", 33-9.5 BFG MT's.
 Custom Body by Sierra Nevada.
 ------------------------------
 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 20:47:46 -0800
 From: "Todd and Terry Steele"  Subject: Onboard air
 To:  Ken wrote:>Well, I guess if it costs too much to recharge my A/C, I can turn my>compressor into a TIRE INFLATER!  What must be done to make this work?
 A tank, pressure switch, relief valve, on/off switch and enough hose to
 connect it all.  I mounted the tank under the forward edge of the bed, above
 the driveshaft.  The pressure switch and relief valve were installed on the
 tank.  I routed 1/2 inch hose from the outlet of the compressor to the tank
 then the outlet from the tank back to the engine compartment.  Mounted a
 quick connecter and switch on a little metal box I built.  Put som slick 50
 (Thanks Jay) in the compressor, then a pvc type air filter on the suction
 side of the tank.  I also installed a drain valve on the low point of the
 tank and formed a P trap on the outlet hose from the compressor to minimize
 oil buildup in the tank.
 Todd
 His:  87 Toyota 4X4, Marlin Tcase #180, EZ Lockers F/R, Custom rear bumper
 and nerfs, Ramsey F bumper, Trailmaster/Superlift 4", 33-9.5 BFG MT's.
 Custom Body by Sierra Nevada.
 ------------------------------
 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 20:37:33 -0800
 From: "Todd and Terry Steele"  Subject: Onboard air
 To:  Darren wrote:>Were you able to use the stock engine bracket for the compressor? It>looks
 pretty cramped where the compressor would have to go though,below>the
 throttle body.
 Yes, I used the bracket off of the Celica.  Bolted right in.  I don't have
 the same intake though (carb) but I don't see why it wouldn't fit.
 Todd
 His:  87 Toyota 4X4, Marlin Tcase #180, EZ Lockers F/R, Custom rear bumper
 and nerfs, Ramsey F bumper, Trailmaster/Superlift 4", 33-9.5 BFG MT's.
 Custom Body by Sierra Nevada.
 ------------------------------
 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 15:04:06 -0800
 From: "Roger Brown P.E."  Subject: Rear axle oil seal replacement
 To: Ed.Wong@astramerck.com
 Well, I got lazy and took it back to the shop that replaced my axle bearings
 last summer, and lo and behold, they said they screwed up, put the seal in
 crooked.  They're replacing it for no charge, even though I'm 5 months/3000
 miles beyond their basic warranty.  The shop is Accessories Plus Truck Center
 in Santa Clara.  I'm having them throw in a set of semi-metallic brake shoes in
 back while they've got the truck up on the lift.
 But thanks to everyone for the pointers on doing the fix.  If I had the time, I
 would have done it myself, but I wanted to be inside the truck wheeling this
 weekend rather than laying under it!
 - --
 Roger Brown, P.E.        mailto:rogerb@sgi.com
 +1.650.933.1898 (vmail)  +1.650.932.1898 (fax)
 http://reality.sgi.com/rogerb/
 ------------------------------
 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 15:14:20 -0800
 From: Scott Wilson  Subject: Rear axle oil seal replacement
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 Roger Brown P.E. wrote:>> Well, I got lazy and took it back to the shop that replaced my axle bearings> last summer, and lo and behold, they said they screwed up, put the seal in> crooked.  They're replacing it for no charge, even though I'm 5 months/3000> miles beyond their basic warranty.  The shop is Accessories Plus Truck Center> in Santa Clara.  I'm having them throw in a set of semi-metallic brake shoes in> back while they've got the truck up on the lift.
 I'm truely SHOCKED they owned up to it.  Perhaps they're changing the
 customer abuse (oh...I mean service) policy.
 When Mark and I were working on his springs this weekend we were in a
 bind and needed some spring clamps that same day.  4WPW only had one in
 stock...so we went to Access+ for the other.  They actually price
 matched for me...first time EVER!  They've always said no when I've
 asked before.
 BTW...4WPW charged me $3....Access+ wanted $6 (before the price
 match...)   What's that tell you about their markup?
 Scott
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 /_/_|_\__       Scott Wilson TLCA #5261  CA4WDC #13393
 | _     _ :     88 4Runner SR5 V6
 */_\---/_\'     Santa Clara, CA
 (_)   (_)      http://www.off-road.com/~swilson
 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 15:24:16 -0800
 From: bennett  Subject: rollbar for sale
 To: Toyota Mailing List  Just a quick note to say that i am still in possesion of a black tube steel
 rollbar that i am looking to get rid of ASAP
 no reasonable offer refused...
 Bennett
 San Francisco
 ------------------------------
 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:57:06 -0500
 From: Darren Floen  Subject: rollbar for sale
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 Can you give me some details on it?Does it come apart?Light mounting
 tabs?Manufacturer?Rust?Why is the sky blue? ;-)
 Darren Floen
 bennett wrote:>> Just a quick note to say that i am still in possesion of a black tube steel> rollbar that i am looking to get rid of ASAP> no reasonable offer refused...>> Bennett> San Francisco
 ------------------------------
 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 19:52:23 -0800
 From: "Brandon Miller"  Subject: rollbar for sale
 To:  I got one too
 Brandon Miller
 Sacramento, CA
 - -----Original Message-----
 From: bennett  To: Toy4x4@tlca.org  Date: Thursday, January 29, 1998 3:17 PM
 Subject: rollbar for sale>Just a quick note to say that i am still in possesion of a black tube steel>rollbar that i am looking to get rid of ASAP>no reasonable offer refused...>>Bennett>San Francisco>> ------------------------------
 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 21:10:05 -0800 (PST)
 From: Darrell Creeks  Subject: Rubicon
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 I'm up for the 2-4, or 23-25.  They should both work for me, exspecially if
 I get my vacation slip in soon.  I just finished watching some of last years
 vidieos and I'm ready to go right now.  Thanks again to Chris Geiger for
 heading up the Rubicon trip web site on his home page.
 ------------------------------
 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:48:21 -0800
 From: Chris Geiger  Subject: Rubicon Trail Closed
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org, cgeiger@gte.net
 I am posting the results of the date voting as they come in. Check the
 Rubicon page for all the responces. Page will be updated each time a
 vote comes in.
 http://geiger.mcl.ucsb.edu/rubicon/rubicon98> Some possible dates are:> July 2-4   This will be a busy time with lots of traffic, and backing> up> to let others past.> July 9-11   I went this time last year and there was very little> traffic.> July 23-25   This could be a goo time> July 26-28   This is close to the same time we were planning, but just>> before the Jamborees> Other dates?>>> Chris Geiger 93 4Runner http://geiger.mcl.ucsb.edu/offroad.html
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 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:42:54 -0700
 From: "Jay Kopycinski"  Subject: Rubicon Trail Closed
 To: Toyota 4x4 List  Chris Geiger  wrote:>Some possible dates are:>July 2-4   This will be a busy time with lots of traffic, and backing up>to let others past.>July 9-11   I went this time last year and there was very little>traffic.>July 23-25   This could be a goo time>July 26-28   This is close to the same time we were planning, but just>before the Jamborees>Other dates?>It would be better to go before the Jamboree come to town as they will>have lots of stock jeeps and will be paving the trails with rocks so the>stockers will make it with out a scratch.
 Yes, better go before the annual paving that takes place during the
 Jamborees........
 Jay Kopycinski    '85 Toylet  (ROKTOY)
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 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 19:48:18 -0800
 From: "Brandon Miller"  Subject: Rubicon Trail Closed
 To:  They don't close it!  They just say that!  That is the best time to go
 because you can watch all the jeeps!
 - -----Original Message-----
 From: Chris Geiger  To: Toy4x4@tlca.org  Date: Thursday, January 29, 1998 1:48 PM
 Subject: Rubicon Trail Closed>Yep, them damn heep  and heepers Jamboree is closing the rubicon trail>during our planned trip. I guess there will be so many broken down Jeeps>littering the trail that they need to close it to remove all the broken>parts!>As you may know about 25 people on the list were planning to run the>Rubicon trail July 30-Aug1, now wee need to choose a new trip date or>crash there little party, I hope to find a date that everyone can make.>>The Rubicon will be closed July 23-26, July 31-Aug 2, Aug 7-9, Aug>21-23.>Personally I think this is a big crock of S***, closing the trail fly's>in the face of the freedom we 4Wheelers live for!>What next a 4 lane highway with stoplights through the Rubicon so they>can run tour buss's through?>>Some possible dates are:>July 2-4   This will be a busy time with lots of traffic, and backing up>to let others past.>July 9-11   I went this time last year and there was very little>traffic.>July 23-25   This could be a goo time>July 26-28   This is close to the same time we were planning, but just>before the Jamborees>Other dates?>It would be better to go before the Jamboree come to town as they will>have lots of stock jeeps and will be paving the trails with rocks so the>stockers will make it with out a scratch.>>Thanks to Darrell Creeks for noticing the conflict.>>Please reply with what dates will or will not work for you, I will sort>through the responses and post the results.>>Chris Geiger 93 4Runner http://geiger.mcl.ucsb.edu/offroad.html> ------------------------------
 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 20:50:28 -0700
 From: Tony Bartlett  Subject: Rubicon Trail Closed
 To: Toy4x4  Another consideration is I hear that the trail is much easier after the
 safari's so you might want to plan the trip before the safari's start.
 Thats funny though because I think Moab trails are much more difficult
 after Easter safari because the trails get really tore up.
 Tony
 http://www.digitalpla.net/~offroader
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 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 20:01:44 +0000
 From: Chris Geiger  Subject: Rubicon Trail Closed
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 The Piarates of the Rubicon said the same thing, that they don't close
 it ever, I did talk to the jeep jam people and they said we can go all
 the way to Rubicon springs and the trail may be open by the time we get
 there. I would hate to lead the group in only to be told that we had to
 wait or turn around, some of the guys coming from the east coast might
 toss me on the barbi for  lunch. I would love to crash their party, but
 I hate what they do to the trail before hand. They pave it and all. I
 would rather go before the yupies get there.
 Chris Geiger 93 4Runner http://geiger.mcl.ucsb.edu/offroad.html
 Brandon Miller wrote:> They don't close it!  They just say that!  That is the best time to go>> because you can watch all the jeeps!> ------------------------------
 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 23:12:57 -0500
 From: Darren Floen  Subject: Rubicon Trail Closed
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 I think a party crashing is in order,since the jeeps don't OWN the
 rubicon.
 Darren
 Chris Geiger wrote:>> The Piarates of the Rubicon said the same thing, that they don't close> it ever, I did talk to the jeep jam people and they said we can go all> the way to Rubicon springs and the trail may be open by the time we get> there. I would hate to lead the group in only to be told that we had to> wait or turn around, some of the guys coming from the east coast might> toss me on the barbi for  lunch. I would love to crash their party, but> I hate what they do to the trail before hand. They pave it and all. I> would rather go before the yupies get there.>> Chris Geiger 93 4Runner http://geiger.mcl.ucsb.edu/offroad.html>> Brandon Miller wrote:>>> They don't close it!  They just say that!  That is the best time to go>>>> because you can watch all the jeeps!>>>> ------------------------------
 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 22:06:57 -0800
 From: "Brandon Miller"  Subject: Rubicon Trail Closed
 To:  I usually camp at Spider Lake and watch all the jeeps go by, it is a lot of
 fun, we could also camp out at Buck Island and walk to the big party. I'll
 be there wether or not the rest of the yota people go.  I have noticed that
 the yotas outnumber the heeps anymore...
 - -----Original Message-----
 From: Chris Geiger  To: Toy4x4@tlca.org  Date: Thursday, January 29, 1998 8:04 PM
 Subject: Re: Rubicon Trail Closed>The Piarates of the Rubicon said the same thing, that they don't close>it ever, I did talk to the jeep jam people and they said we can go all>the way to Rubicon springs and the trail may be open by the time we get>there. I would hate to lead the group in only to be told that we had to>wait or turn around, some of the guys coming from the east coast might>toss me on the barbi for  lunch. I would love to crash their party, but>I hate what they do to the trail before hand. They pave it and all. I>would rather go before the yupies get there.>>Chris Geiger 93 4Runner http://geiger.mcl.ucsb.edu/offroad.html>>Brandon Miller wrote:>>> They don't close it!  They just say that!  That is the best time to go>>>> because you can watch all the jeeps!>>>>> ------------------------------
 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 22:12:38 -0800
 From: "Brandon Miller"  Subject: Rubicon Trail Closed
 To:  Cool, I'll be the first to be on the list of "The day before the Jeep
 Jamboree" run.  I say we camp out at Buck the day before and just hang there
 all day and watch the Jeeps pass through.  Could also stay at Spider but
 don't think we would fit at the springs.
 Last year I camped out at spider next to the little sluice and talked with
 the rock rollers all day.  They were really nice and so were all the jeeps.
 - -----Original Message-----
 From: Darren Floen  To: Toy4x4@tlca.org  Date: Thursday, January 29, 1998 8:14 PM
 Subject: Re: Rubicon Trail Closed>I think a party crashing is in order,since the jeeps don't OWN the>rubicon.>>Darren>>Chris Geiger wrote:>>>> The Piarates of the Rubicon said the same thing, that they don't close>> it ever, I did talk to the jeep jam people and they said we can go all>> the way to Rubicon springs and the trail may be open by the time we get>> there. I would hate to lead the group in only to be told that we had to>> wait or turn around, some of the guys coming from the east coast might>> toss me on the barbi for  lunch. I would love to crash their party, but>> I hate what they do to the trail before hand. They pave it and all. I>> would rather go before the yupies get there.>>>> Chris Geiger 93 4Runner http://geiger.mcl.ucsb.edu/offroad.html>>>> Brandon Miller wrote:>>>>> They don't close it!  They just say that!  That is the best time to go>>>>>> because you can watch all the jeeps!>>>>>>> ------------------------------
 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 22:13:05 +0000
 From: Chris Geiger  Subject: Rubicon Trail Closed
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 They don't own all the trail but they do own Rubicon Springs and you
 can't do the whole trail without going through the Springs. It's the
 springs that caused the trail to be built in the first place.
 Chris Geiger 93 4Runner http://geiger.mcl.ucsb.edu/offroad.html
 Darren Floen wrote:> I think a party crashing is in order,since the jeeps don't OWN the> rubicon.> ------------------------------
 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 98 22:25:38 -0600
 From: bwiencek@kcnet.com
 Subject: Rubicon Trail Closed - dates
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 For my own reasons - the later the better - (I'm waiting for the new electric
 lockers, and my wife's 7.5 mo. pregnant now - too early and I will be still
 grounded...) I'd even vote for maybe 4 or 5 weeks after if it let's the trail
 return to 'normal'
 Speaking of the lockers - everyone call powertrax at 1-800-lockers and tell them
 to get off their butt and manufacture the electric lockers! (should retail for
 around $400 each as I'm told!)
 - - Brian
 On Thu, 29 Jan 1998, Chris Geiger  wrote:>I hate what they do to the trail before hand. They pave it and all. I>would rather go before the yupies get there.>> They don't close it!  They just say that!  That is the best time to go>> because you can watch all the jeeps!
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 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:42:10 -0800
 From: "Todd and Terry Steele"  Subject: Rubicon trip
 To: "Toyota Digest"  Due to me being a sailor and sailors go to sea, July is a really tough month
 to plan for.  I vote for Thursday June 18 to Saturday June 20.  If it has to
 be in July, I might be able to make 17, 18, 19 or 24, 25, 26.
 Todd
 His:  87 Toyota 4X4, Marlin Tcase #180, EZ Lockers F/R, Custom rear bumper
 and nerfs, Ramsey F bumper, Trailmaster/Superlift 4", 33-9.5 BFG MT's.
 Custom Body by Sierra Nevada.
 ------------------------------
 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 00:59:02 +0000 (GMT)
 From: knight@atmos.albany.edu (David J. Knight)
 Subject: Smittybuilt Nerf Bars (was Marlin T-Case)
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 David Fritzsche DFritzsc%GWMHS.CADEPTED@smtp.cde.ca.gov wrote:> Reworked Smittybuilt Nerf Bars--they don't bend up any longer--still> bolt on.
 OK, inquiring minds want to know - how were they reworked? details please.
 How long has it been modified? Is it holding up well? Is it rust
 resistant?
 Thanks
 David Knight
 knight@atmos.albany.edu
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 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:56:34 EST
 From: DRM033@aol.com
 Subject: solid axle or IFS lock-out hub???
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 ok, I need help....
 Local 'yard has a set of hubs and I need to be able to tell the difference
 between IFS and solid axle ones, as they are not sure.  I held them up against
 my truck (IFS) and the silver body part looked the same.  But, the difference
 is in the red turning part.  My IFS hubs are flat.  The ones the Jyard had
 were raised on each of the "thumbpieces" of the red part.  Which are these?
 How to tell them apart?
 thanks....
 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------
 David Moore                       DRM033@aol.com
 90 Toyota Truck - 4" ProComp, 33" Swampers,
 4.88's, rear ARB, TJM bumper & Ramsey #8000
 TLCA #5662
 Traxx In Motion 4 Wheel Drive Club
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 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 20:13:42 EST
 From: Johosophat@aol.com
 Subject: Toyota City of Dallas
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 hey guys go easy on him/her,
 Toy of dallas is a really crappy toy dealership, i in walking distance form
 the place.  It has gotten to the point that i will not purchase genuine toyota
 parts unless i drive 40 miles to the next closest to my house.  Parts, Sales,
 and Customer departments have all been unknowlageable, and generaly had a
 'screw you' additude.
 ------------------------------
 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 20:41:47 -0700
 From: Tony Bartlett  Subject: u-joint stuff
 To: Toy4x4  Once I was at a local driveshaft shop to have a friends driveshaft
 fixed.  The guy used an air hammer with a blunt tip on it.  knocked on
 the shaft next to the u-joint and it vibrated it right out.
 It was kind of amazing.
 Tony.
 http://www.digitalpla.net/~offroader
 ------------------------------
 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 22:57:39 -0500
 From: Darren Floen  Subject: u-joint stuff
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 I can also say that this works well.I usually just use my bench vice and
 a bfh,but if they are stubborn,the right air chiesel will usually zip
 the joint right out.Just be sure to press real hard to keep the point
 from bouncing all over the place.The vibes is what works the joint
 out,not really the hammerring.
 Darren
 Tony Bartlett wrote:>> Once I was at a local driveshaft shop to have a friends driveshaft> fixed.  The guy used an air hammer with a blunt tip on it.  knocked on> the shaft next to the u-joint and it vibrated it right out.> It was kind of amazing.> Tony.> http://www.digitalpla.net/~offroader
 ------------------------------
 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 23:24:45 -0700
 From: Dallas Donelson  Subject: Unsubscribe
 To: "Toy4x4@tlca.org"  Please remove me from your mailing list as I am moving out of the area.
 I will re-subscribe as soon as I get set up in my new home.
 Thanks,
 Dallas S. Donelson
 ------------------------------
 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:20:57 -0500
 From: Darren Floen  Subject: Welding axles, tough truck competition, etc.
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 O yeah,you asked about welding current.When you are padding the weld
 area with NI-CI rod(some stainless rods will work too),read the box that
 the rods came in,and try to use the amperage at the lower end of the
 scale(around 70-80 should work).When doing the follow up welding use 130
 amps(if your truss is 1/8" or more)and travel fairly fast using several
 beads.You don't want to burn into the cast too far,as this brings carbon
 into the weld and makes it crack.Be generous when doing your padding,so
 yo have enough surface area to weld the truss to.
 Darren
 Darren Floen wrote:>> Brian,go to your local library,and get a book on welding.This would be a> lot easier than typing it out.You will need to preheat the housing with> a tiger torch,and post heat/stress relieve it.If you could get away> without welding to the cast housing,it would be a lot easier.Mig welding> it is out of the question.Try making a bracket that runs off the cover.> D44 covers are usually very thick and would standup better with a good> weld,than a housing would with a poor weld.If the tie-rod and drag link> are in the way,build a box all the way around them,or whatever is> appropriate.Or you could drill the housing and bolt it(in a pinch).> If the truss is mild steel and the housing is cast,it is best to lay a> few beads(with preheat at 200*) with small diameter(3/32")NI-CI> electrode,then weld over top of those with the final welds to be> done(with 1/8" E7018).> This controls how much carbon will be transferred into the weld,and you> have a better chance of a succesful weld with less chance of cracking.>> Hope this helps.Check the book though.>> Darren
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 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 19:05:37 -0900
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