Toy4x4 Digest          Tue, 27 Jan 98 12:30:03 (HST)  Volume 1 : Issue 677
 Today's Topics:
 3.0 V6 Headgasket
 85 4runner back window
 Bio
 Downey Shackles
 Engine Dies (2 msgs)
 Fluid amounts (3 msgs)
 ford mounts
 funny thing seen in the 4runner forum by a web site (2 msgs)
 Gear Ratios (4 msgs)
          Humble Opinions needed
 Idiot's Guide (2 msgs)
 some front end problems
 V6 or V8 in an '80 Toy
 Wiring
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 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:24:35 -0800
 From: tambrose@cbm.canon.com
 Subject: 3.0 V6 Headgasket
 To: toy4x4@tlca.org
 I got a call from South Coast Toyota (Costa Mesa, CA) last night about
 the headgasket recall.  They said they would replace the headgasket
 and give me a rental car....all paid for.  They also mentioned that
 the work would take about day and a half (about a 12 hour job).
 I mentioned that I only had 72,000 miles and I had no problems now.
 They said that Toyota is going to be changing the policy of paying for
 everything (work, rental car, etc.) very soon and that I should have
 it done now.
 Does this sound right?
 I saw Jim Brink's recent post about what else to have them do.  I just
 had the water pump and thermostat replaced with the timing belt.  I
 will have them do the camshaft and crank seals and the timing belt
 tensioner.
 Also, I'm running Mobil 1.  Is it OK to run synthetic with the brand
 new head gasket or should I run conventional oil for a while?
 Thanks,
 -tom
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 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 12:15:55 -0800 (PST)
 From: michael carroll  Subject: 85 4runner back window
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 thanks everyone for the advice on the srpings
 I went with Downey 2" springs (i know they suck but I had to do
 something ) just because I have no time before I leave for Rhode
 Island winter treking
 Anyway has anybody dealt with replacing the track(s) for the rear
 window ?
 I went to put down the window and I look back to see half the window
 hanging down sideways. Further investigation revealed that the right
 track has rusted into non-existance.
 In the shop manual I see two tracks that attach to the window,  are
 these replaceable ?
 Is it a easy job ?
 thanx
 MPC
 p.s. If anybody needs 85 4runner shop manual directions e-mail me and
 I can scan them in and send them to you
 I scammed an original from my firends Toyota dealership
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 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:39:22 -0800
 From: "Kgillis"  Subject: Bio
 To: "Toy4x4"  - ----------> From: Toy4x4-Request > To: kgillis@axion.net> Subject: Bio> Date: January 16, 1998 16:51 PM>> Personal Bio Info>> POST TO THE LIST ONLY>> toy4x4@tlca.org> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++>> Name:Keith Gillis>> City & State: Surrey, BC,>> Country: Canada>> E-mail address:kgillis@axion.com>> Toyota (s) year & model:1983 Toyota 4X4 pickup>> Are you a TLCA Member (Y/N/Number?):n>> Age:29>> Occupation:Commisary Attendent>> Marital Status:married  with two daughters> Hobbies:4 wheeling / water skiing / fishing /mechanics>> How did you find out about the Toyota 4x4 Mailing List:scanning the net>> General info about your vehicle, self, etc: my truck has a 8000 pound
 ramsey winch / 4.5 inch suspension lift and a 3.5 inch body lift / 4:37
 gears front and back / kenwood cd  system with amp and 10 inch subs / 94
 4runner seats / and a 40 channel cb / soon to be added 5:29 gears and
 lockers front and back.> A friend and I are starting our own 4wheel drive club it is called THE
 LOST BOYS FOUR WHEELERS. as soon as we get a scanner I will post our logo
 on the web sight. Thats it for now ;
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 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 08:40:58 -0500
 From: Sheldon Gardner  Subject: Downey Shackles
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 17:02:19 MDT -0600> From: ggibb@msu.oscs.montana.edu> Subject: DOWNEY RUBICON SHACKLES?> To: Toy4x4@tlca.org>> HAS ANY ONE TRIED THE DOWNEY RUBICON SHACKLES ON THE FRONT OF A SOLID FRONT> AXLE TRUCK?  (I HAVE AM 85' TRUCK WIHT 3" SOFT RIDE SPRINGS.) WHAT DID YOU> THINK?  WAS AXLE ARTICULATION IMPROVED?  DID THEY LIFT THE TRUCK?  DID THEY> EFFECT THE RIDE?  I'M NOT LIKING FOR LIFT JUST A SLIGHT IMPROVEMENT IN RIDE AND> AXLE ARTICULATION, IF ANYONE HAS ANY THOUGHTS ON THIS PRODUCT PLEASE LET ME> KNOW.> GEOFF GIBB> BOZEMAN, MT> TLCA # 5434>> I have the 3 inches soft ride and 3 inch Downey shackle and will tell you about my experience.
 The shackle is fine and works good you will probably need to use shims in front get get the pinion up but it's no biggie. My only problem was the Soft ride springs have a short second
 leaf ; with the 3" shackle it caused the main leaf to kink slightly where the second leaf ended. I got a pair of  Toy rear springs from the junkyard last weekend and am planning on using a leaf  inserting into the soft ride spring pack, I'm hopeful that this will cure the problem for now.
 I never took out the overload leaf with the soft rides. I'm guessing that if I had my springs would never had kinked at all but would probably have sagged a lot quicker.
 Hope this helps
 Sheldon
 sgarD@flnet.com
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 Date: 27 Jan 98 07:34:12 PST
 From: DFritzsc%GWMHS.CADEPTED@SMTP.CDE.CA.GOV
 Subject: Engine Dies
 To: toy4x4@tlca.org
 I will be going down the Freeway and my engine will quit (V-6, 5-speed, no mods to the engine other then a drop-in K&N filter). Does not give me any warning. I coast along for a while and it will start back up. The check engine light does not come on, all of the gages are still working, tach, electric oil pressure, fuel and temp. It only seems to do it when I am going about 55 to 65 MPH. and the tach is reading 2900 to 3200 RPM ( I have 4:88 gears with 31" tires).
 I have checked all the obvious things (wires loose, ground connections are good, checked the computer-no codes).Does anyone out there have any ideas? What to look at, what to check.
 Thank You
 David Fritzsche
 1990 V-6 Ex-Cab
 Pro-Comp II, NWOR 4" rear springs
 4:88 Gears, Tru-Trak front, ARB rear
 Marlin gear change
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 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 05:50:17 -1000 (HST)
 From: Eric Johnson  Subject: Engine Dies
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 On 27 Jan 1998 DFritzsc%GWMHS.CADEPTED@SMTP.CDE.CA.GOV wrote:> I will be going down the Freeway and my engine will quit (V-6, 5-speed, no mods to the engine other then a drop-in K&N filter). Does not give me any warning. I coast along for a while and it will start back up. The check engine light does not come on, all of the gages are still working, tach, electric oil pressure, fuel and temp. It only seems to do it when I am going about 55 to 65 MPH. and the tach is reading 2900 to 3200 RPM ( I have 4:88 gears with 31" tires).> I'd look at plug wires, coil, and fuel filter for starters...
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 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 07:09:01 -0800
 From: "Farrales, Deo"  Subject: Fluid amounts
 To: "'Toy4x4@tlca.org'"  2nd gen 4Runner here...How much fluid do I need to fill the
 differentials, xfer case, and transmission?  I'm doing this for the
 first time (not sure if original owner did this) and I think I'm going
 with Redline.  Is this correct...Redline MTF for xmission and 75w90 for
 xfer case and differentials?  Also, does anyone know if the fluid
 amounts are the same for a 95 Tacoma?
 Thanks in advance!!
 Deo F.  92 4Runner V6
 97 TJ 4-banger
 Bay Area, CA
 http://www.off-road.com/~fakawee
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 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:47:28 -0000
 From: runars@isbank.is
 Subject: Fluid amounts
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 Go to synthetics like Mobil 1.
 I would also recomend Millitec additive.  The only additive I would ever
 add to andy olie.  It works.
 Fill up to, or close to, the fill-hole.  Between 2 and 3 liters for the
 diffs if I remeber right (but If I where you I wouldn't depend on it...)
 Runar.> -----Original Message-----> From:	Farrales, Deo [SMTP:Deo@Guittard.com]> Sent:	Tuesday, January 27, 1998 3:09 PM> To:	Toy4x4@tlca.org> Subject:	Fluid amounts>> 2nd gen 4Runner here...How much fluid do I need to fill the> differentials, xfer case, and transmission?  I'm doing this for the> first time (not sure if original owner did this) and I think I'm going> with Redline.  Is this correct...Redline MTF for xmission and 75w90> for> xfer case and differentials?  Also, does anyone know if the fluid> amounts are the same for a 95 Tacoma?>> Thanks in advance!!>> Deo F. > 92 4Runner V6> 97 TJ 4-banger> Bay Area, CA> http://www.off-road.com/~fakawee> ------------------------------
 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 05:57:28 -1000 (HST)
 From: Eric Johnson  Subject: Fluid amounts
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 On Tue, 27 Jan 1998, Farrales, Deo wrote:> 2nd gen 4Runner here...How much fluid do I need to fill the> differentials, xfer case, and transmission?  I'm doing this for the> first time (not sure if original owner did this) and I think I'm going> with Redline.  Is this correct...Redline MTF for xmission and 75w90 for> xfer case and differentials?  Also, does anyone know if the fluid> amounts are the same for a 95 Tacoma?
 All the capacities are in your owner's guide. Off the top of my head, I
 seem to recall 2.3 qts for the rear pumpkin and 1.7 for the front.
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 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:29:45 -0500
 From: Charles Brooks  Subject: ford mounts
 To: toy4x4@tlca.org>Does anyone have a description of the ford shock mount>install on there page?>Afraid I don't have any pics but I've got a set of the Ford mounts to>sell you ...
 I'm afraid my extra money is now going to my wifes car! She toated it on
 the way back from a grocery store :) Thanks for the offer though.
 Charles Brooks
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 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:20:03 -0600
 From: Jack Alford  Subject: funny thing seen in the 4runner forum by a web site
 To: >one thread wanted to know how much gas was left when the low fuel>idiot light comes on.  the poster asked because they saw the seinfeld>episode about this subject...
 Oddly enough in my truck the gas light coming on simply means that I'm going
 to run out of gas and the truck will quit in less than 60 seconds ... sortof
 a 'mission impossible' thing ...
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 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 05:47:17 -1000 (HST)
 From: Eric Johnson  Subject: funny thing seen in the 4runner forum by a web site
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 On Tue, 27 Jan 1998, Jack Alford wrote:>>one thread wanted to know how much gas was left when the low fuel>>idiot light comes on.  the poster asked because they saw the seinfeld>>episode about this subject...>> Oddly enough in my truck the gas light coming on simply means that I'm going> to run out of gas and the truck will quit in less than 60 seconds ... sortof> a 'mission impossible' thing ...>> on the other hand, on mine it means I better consider filling up sometime
 this week :)
 I didn't read the whole thread - but isn't it just obvious that you take
 the capacity of the tank, and when the light comes on, fill it up and
 subtract the amount it took to fill? Some of the questions people post on
 the various boards crack me up... "Sure, its on the owner's manual, but I
 don't  want to take the cellophane off of it - I'd rather bother y'all" :)
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 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:59:46 +0000
 From: "Michael O'Malley"  Subject: Gear Ratios
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 Does anyone know the gear ratios for the specific years?
 I have a 94 22RE 4X4 PuP.
 4TARN01P8RZ248893
 Thanks
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 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 07:59:51 -0700 (PDT)
 From: Ken Emanuel  Subject: Gear Ratios
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 On Tue, 27 Jan 1998, Michael O'Malley wrote:> Does anyone know the gear ratios for the specific years?> I have a 94 22RE 4X4 PuP.
 Should be 4.10
 Look for a metal plate on either the engine firewall or
 inside the driver's side door jamb.  There will be a long
 number like the VIN # you provided, there should be a line
 in there that reads G292.  That would indicate an 8" ring
 gear, 4.10 axle ratio, and a 2 pinion case.  Let me know
 if it reads anything different.
 Ken Emanuel
 '87 Xtra Cab SR5
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 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 06:00:33 -1000 (HST)
 From: Eric Johnson  Subject: Gear Ratios
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 On Tue, 27 Jan 1998, Michael O'Malley wrote:> Does anyone know the gear ratios for the specific years?> I have a 94 22RE 4X4 PuP.> 4TARN01P8RZ248893
 Check out the "Diffs" link from the main toyota pages at Off-road.com
 http://www.off-road.com/toyota
 The chart for japanese-built rigs has so far been absolutely accurate.
 I've gotten a few conflicting reports about the chart for US-built
 vehicles like yours, but if you have the normal 225/75 tires and a
 standard tranny you're almost certainly 4.10.
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 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 06:02:43 -1000 (HST)
 From: Eric Johnson  Subject: Gear Ratios
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org> On Tue, 27 Jan 1998, Michael O'Malley wrote:>>> Does anyone know the gear ratios for the specific years?>> I have a 94 22RE 4X4 PuP.>>    Should be 4.10>> Look for a metal plate on either the engine firewall or> inside the driver's side door jamb.  There will be a long> number like the VIN # you provided, there should be a line> in there that reads G292.  That would indicate an 8" ring> gear, 4.10 axle ratio, and a 2 pinion case.  Let me know> if it reads anything different.
 Its gonna be something different. His VIN began with a "4T" meaning its a
 US-built vehicle; wich uses a different set of codes :( "JT" is for
 japanese built rigs.
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 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:24:24 -0700
 From: "Lang, David V."  Subject: Humble Opinions needed
 To: "'Toy4x4@tlca.org'"  88 4Runner   130,000 miles
 Had truck in for water pump replacemet, shop gave me some other things
 and quotes to fix. Looking for ideas, or suggestions from the list about
 your experiences..
 1. Right rear gas shock is leaking. I currently have Monroe Magnum Plus
 Road sensors, worked good for my occasional off-road use. Shop gave me a
 quote for replacements:  Gas Ryder w/VST 40.95 each. Not sure what type
 of shock this is, anyone know??  I think I can replace the shocks for
 the entire truck myself, seems pretty straight forward. I am looking for
 advice on replacements, someone mentioned Bilsteins, are there others
 comparable to the Monroe's. I don't do a lot of off-roading, so I don't
 need anything hardcore.
 2. Master Cylinder is leaking. Shop quote of 200.00 for replacement, not
 including labor. Does anyone know what a Toyota Master Cylinder costs? I
 would like to replace this myself also. I read the Cliton's manual, and
 it seems pretty straight forward, but I know with alot of things in the
 world, there is the between the lines reading. If I following the book,
 and replace master cylinder and bleed brake system, what other things do
 I have to look for or do that they do not mention in the manual???
 Thanks
 David Lang
 Mayo Clinic Scottsdale Information Services
 (602)301-4683
 Email: lang.david@mayo.edu
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 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 06:42:36 -0800
 From: "Don M. West"  Subject: Idiot's Guide
 To: Toyota 4x4 mailing list >Does anyone have the book "How to Keep Your Toyota Pickup Alive
 I don't have it for the Toy, but got it for my VW Bug MANY years ago (I
 think the bug was the first Idiot's Guide book out). I found it to be TOO
 simple for me. I'm rather mechanically inclined and the really hard stuff
 was listed as basically "take it to the shop." I ended up using the
 official Volkswagen service book for years.
 As for Toys, I just priced the 2 volume offical service books for my truck
 and will try to buy them asap. While I don't have shop space to pull an
 engine or tranny, the official guide will undoubtedly help in many areas.
 They're a bit more expensive than my VW days (uh, what isn't? My bug was
 under $2K NEW....the soon to be released new version VW Bug will start at
 $15K!). About $75 per book for the Toy.
 Don
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 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 05:49:00 -1000 (HST)
 From: Eric Johnson  Subject: Idiot's Guide
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 On Tue, 27 Jan 1998, Don M. West wrote:>>Does anyone have the book "How to Keep Your Toyota Pickup Alive>> I don't have it for the Toy, but got it for my VW Bug MANY years ago (I> think the bug was the first Idiot's Guide book out). I found it to be TOO> simple for me. I'm rather mechanically inclined and the really hard stuff> was listed as basically "take it to the shop." I ended up using the> official Volkswagen service book for years.>> As for Toys, I just priced the 2 volume offical service books for my truck> and will try to buy them asap. While I don't have shop space to pull an> engine or tranny, the official guide will undoubtedly help in many areas.> They're a bit more expensive than my VW days (uh, what isn't? My bug was> under $2K NEW....the soon to be released new version VW Bug will start at> $15K!). About $75 per book for the Toy.
 I don't think I'll pick up the Owens book then - I've got chiltons,
 Ludel's book, AND the factory manual. I was just curious about the Owen's
 book, since its nice to learn new way to do things, but it sounds a little
 simplistic for my purposes.
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 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:34:24 -0800
 From: "Roger Brown P.E."  Subject: some front end problems
 To: tjohanss@freenet.columbus.oh.us
 Todd wrote:
 - -> Next, my problem.  I have a '84 PU.  I have been getting a pretty bad
 shimmy from the front end.  It only happens at around 45mph.  Anyhting
 over that and it's gone.  I have also started noticing my steering getting
 really sensitive.  At slow speeds you can crank the wheel and the truck
 barely turns. But at freeway speeds, any little movment of the steering
 wheel makes the truck want to do a u-turn.  All suspension is stock.  I am
 planning on replacing the bicycle air pump Toyota calls a steering
 stabilizer soon.  Can the steering box be adjusted?  I have not been able
 to find the bolt/screw. Any help would be great. Thanks!
<-
 Have you checked for play in the drag link?  After replacing mine I had very
 sloppy steering until I figured out how to tighten it properly.  Your's may
 have worn over time and needs to be re-adjusted or replaced if its too far
 gone.
 - --
 Roger Brown, P.E.        mailto:rogerb@sgi.com
 +1.650.933.1898 (vmail)  +1.650.932.1898 (fax)
 http://reality.sgi.com/rogerb/
 Check out the SGI EuroDev Forum: http://www-devprg.sgi.de/Forum98/
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 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:22:00 EST
 From: DRM033  Subject: V6 or V8 in an '80 Toy
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 In a message dated 98-01-27 01:27:45 EST, you write:>  Which is cheaper?>>  Depends a lot on the cost of your engine and how much you>  wanna saw away and how big a hammer you have.....Engine cost>  will probably be the biggest factor overall.
 We found a yard with 2 different 4.3L engines.  They wanted $450 for one
 (needed to be checked out, but included EFI intake), the other was $500 -
 pulled with 40k in good shape .>>We are planning on skipping the adapter stuff and just using 700R4 or T350>>with 203 (I think) X-fer case.  Anything other than making whole new>>crossmember? (I know new drive shafts)>>  That'll work if the front driveshaft output is on the right side.....>  I don't know much about the 203. You will sacrifice the possibility>  of using a Marlin. You may not have to scrap the driveshafts>  completely.....maybe just change the ends as needed. You'll need>  to come up with a speedo drive.
 Actually, the 203 was a blurb on my part - we will stay away from the full
 time case.
 Speedo?  Who needs a speedo?  This may end up a trailer/trail only vehicle.>>Any thoughts on this or any other tips?  like I said, we are trying to> avoid>>the $$$$$$ adapters.>>  Figure your complete cost carefully. It won't be cheap. Also consider>  your $$ savings avoiding the adapter vs. the other implications>  of doing the 203 or similar setup. I'll be glad to answer other>  specific questions you may have.
 As to cost, we already have lots of parts laying around.  I think we have a
 4.3 somewhere from a van, & it has a 4 bbl carb & intake on it.  We have a
 coulpe of 350 trannys, and I think we have a T350 & 205 already hooked
 together.  I know we will be giving up the Marlin, but around here a marlin is
 not the most important mod.
 Our main idea is to put this together with as little money as possible, using
 what we have on hand.  I will get back to you Jay off the list for some more
 info.
 Thanks!
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 David Moore                       DRM033@aol.com
 90 Toyota Truck - 4" ProComp, 33" Swampers,
 4.88's, rear ARB, TJM bumper & Ramsey #8000
 TLCA #5662
 Traxx In Motion 4 Wheel Drive Club
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 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:35:50 -0500
 From: "Eli Madden"  Subject: Wiring
 To: toy4x4@tlca.org
 Rick wrote -
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 Yesterday, i am
 driving home after work and a buddy pulls up beside me to tell me that
 instead of brake lights, one turn signal comes on when I slow down.
 Because I am electrically challenged (I believe in the smoke theory of
 automotive electrics), I will be forced to take my baby to an auto
 electrician.  Whine mode off, any thoughts out there?
 ************************************
 I had a similar thing happen to me. Wrong lights would come on in the rear when I pressed the brakes or turn signal. After I got a $100 ticket (No rear lights, no mudflaps, "unapproved" rear bumper and I was COMPLTETELY covered in mud, with small view holes wiped out on the windows- no points though! Cops seem to like my German Shepherd co-pilot) I finally took it to the car wash, hosed out under the bed, and found a bundle of wires had gotten rubbed to the point that some wires were missing insulation and
 cross-shorting each other. Seperated them, wrapped em with tape, wrapped the whole bundle with a LOT of tape and tied everything up and as out of the way as possible. They've worked fine ever since!
 Eli
 emadden@inacom-vt.com
 '83 Toyota SR5 Shortbed
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