Toy4x4 Digest          Tue, 27 Jan 98 00:30:02 (HST)  Volume 1 : Issue 676
 Today's Topics:
 3.0 H/G and some front end problems
 4.56's with 31's
 alternator update
 Anyone have this book (2 msgs)
 Bio
 Clinometer (2 msgs)
 DOWNEY RUBICON SHACKLES?
 Dropping Oil Level
 Ford shock mounts
 funny thing seen in the 4runner forum by a web site
 Gearing (4 msgs)
 hard starting 3.0l v6
 New Swampers (2 msgs)
 Rear end vibration (high speed) (2 msgs)
 Speedometer recalibration (2 msgs)
 Ssstttttuuuuutttttteeeeerrrrriiiinnnnnggggg Truck
 Stuttering
 Stuttering.
 TOY4X4 DIGEST AM I SIGNED UP OR NOT. TOTALLY LOST (3 msgs)
 Toy Limited slip
 Truck Hill -almost- claims another
 V6 or V8 in an '80 Toy (2 msgs)
 V6 OR V8 in an 80 Toy
 wood beds
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 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 20:16:38 -0500 (EST)
 From: Todd Johansson  Subject: 3.0 H/G and some front end problems
 To: Toyota 4x4 Mail listings  Two questions for anyone out there.  A friend of mine has a '92 Toyota PU
 with the 3.0 V6.  His headgasket is going out and a local dea;ership told
 him that his engine was covered under the recall. Is that true?  I didn't
 know the 3.0 was covered also.
 Next, my problem.  I have a '84 PU.  I have been getting a pretty bad
 shimmy from the front end.  It only happens at around 45mph.  Anyhting
 over that and it's gone.  I have also started noticing my steering getting
 really sensitive.  At slow speeds you can crank the wheel and the truck
 barely turns. But at freeway speeds, any little movment of the steering
 wheel makes the truck want to do a u-turn.  All suspension is stock.  I am
 planning on replacing the bicycle air pump Toyota calls a steering
 stabilizer soon.  Can the steering box be adjusted?  I have not been able
 to find the bolt/screw. Any help would be great. Thanks!
 o__         Todd "TMAN" Johansson
 | ___/_|_\__      '84 SR5 22R  TLCA #6931
 |! _ __|_ _ !
 * (_)    (_)      "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes."
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 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:55:03 -0600
 From: John Schultz  Subject: 4.56's with 31's
 To: "Toy4x4@tlca.org"  I've got an 89 22re Extra Cab with 31 BFG's.  I have been running 4.10's
 with my 31 BFG's for about 6 months.  My rear diff decided to go so I
 decided to go ahead and install 4.56's (yes, in both ends thank you) and
 I love it.  I commute about 1000 miles a week in my Toy and I never
 realized what a DOG it was before.  Now I can pull the big hills on the
 highway without downshifting and losing speed.  My gas mileage has
 improved slightly as well ,which defies traditional logic.  The mileage
 is still poor but, that is probably a separate issue.  Check engine
 light, code 25 (lean) and code 26 (rich).  O2 sensor??
 I have officially joined the side of "you do not NEED to regear with
 31's but, you will be very happy if you do".
 John Schultz
 31's, 4.56's, Rear True-Trac, more radios than you can shake a "ham
 stick" at.
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 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 17:25:40 -0800 (PST)
 From: rick99@jps.net (Rick Murray)
 Subject: alternator update
 To: toy4x4@tlca.org>Did you take the Napa unit back for a refund????
 You bet I did.  They didn't question it , but were surprised.
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 Rick Murray                                22R motor ; 3-inch lift
 84 Toyota 4Runner SR5                    33" BFG M/Ts ; 4.88 gears
 Rancho Cordova, Ca.                   Rancho 9000's ; on-board air
 http://www.jps.net/rick99/             Marlin TCase #67 ; TRD LSD
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 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 16:17:03 -0800
 From: Eric Johnson  Subject: Anyone have this book
 To: "'toy4x4@tlca.org'"  Does anyone have the book "How to Keep Your Toyota Pickup Alive : Step by
 Step Procedures for the Compleat Idiot for 1975-1987/2 & 4 Wd" by Larry
 Owens? I'm thinking of picking it up, but wanted to hear from other readers
 first.
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 - - ej@blarg.net
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 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 22:25:13 -0500
 From: Agustinus Gunawan  Subject: Anyone have this book
 To: "'Toy4x4@tlca.org'"  I have one. Not a complete manual though. This is fine for beginners but
 does not do much if you really want to do something complex with your
 4runner.
 I wish I have the factory shop manual.
 - -----Original Message-----
 From:	Eric Johnson [SMTP:ej@blarg.net]
 Sent:	Monday, January 26, 1998 7:17 PM
 To:	Toy4x4@tlca.org
 Subject:	Anyone have this book
 Does anyone have the book "How to Keep Your Toyota Pickup Alive : Step by
 Step Procedures for the Compleat Idiot for 1975-1987/2 & 4 Wd" by Larry
 Owens? I'm thinking of picking it up, but wanted to hear from other readers
 first.
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 - - ej@blarg.net
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 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 22:33:17 -0600
 From: "Chris Hinrichs"  Subject: Bio
 To: "Toy4x4"  - ----------> From: Toy4x4-Request > To: henrey@ims-1.com> Subject: Bio> Date: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 9:29 PM>> Personal Bio Info>> POST TO THE LIST ONLY>> toy4x4@tlca.org> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++>> Name:Chris Hinrichs>> City & State:Poplar Bluff, MO>> Country:USA>> E-mail address:henrey@ims-1.com>> Toyota (s) year & model:86 SR5>> Are you a TLCA Member (Y/N/Number?):N>> Age:27>> Occupation:Salesman>> Marital Status:Married with one son 3 months old>> Hobbies:hunting, fishing, sports>> How did you find out about the Toyota 4x4 Mailing List:surfing the net>> General info about your vehicle, self, etc.:just purchased and in the
 process of fixing up, would use any helpful info> ------------------------------
 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 17:22:38 -0800
 From: "John M. Smith"  Subject: Clinometer
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 anyone have a used clinometer for sale?
 ------------------------------
 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 20:58:32 -0600
 From: Mike Tolliver  Subject: Clinometer
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 J.C. Whitney sells one for $19.95.  Says its available with a little
 picture of a jeep or a truck :`)  They call it a Grade/Tilt Indicator.
 Quality is probably questionable.
 John M. Smith wrote:> anyone have a used clinometer for sale?
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 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 17:02:19 MDT -0600
 From: ggibb@msu.oscs.montana.edu
 Subject: DOWNEY RUBICON SHACKLES?
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 HAS ANY ONE TRIED THE DOWNEY RUBICON SHACKLES ON THE FRONT OF A SOLID FRONT
 AXLE TRUCK?  (I HAVE AM 85' TRUCK WIHT 3" SOFT RIDE SPRINGS.) WHAT DID YOU
 THINK?  WAS AXLE ARTICULATION IMPROVED?  DID THEY LIFT THE TRUCK?  DID THEY
 EFFECT THE RIDE?  I'M NOT LIKING FOR LIFT JUST A SLIGHT IMPROVEMENT IN RIDE AND
 AXLE ARTICULATION, IF ANYONE HAS ANY THOUGHTS ON THIS PRODUCT PLEASE LET ME
 KNOW.
 GEOFF GIBB
 BOZEMAN, MT
 TLCA # 5434
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 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 16:47:04 -0700
 From: "Lang, David V."  Subject: Dropping Oil Level
 To: "'Toy4x4@tlca.org'"  Here's the story:
 1. 88 4Runner 4cyl     130,000 miles
 2. Had belts changed, and oil changed
 3. 2 weeks later, leaking radiator fluid
 4. noticed oil level a bit lower than full level - will monitor
 5. water pump went bad, belt change might have helped failure occur
 sooner. (shop said that pump looked like original - love those toyota
 parts).
 6. after water pump fixed, new thermostat, and new radiator fluid,
 checked oil level,
 much lower than a few days ago (took 1 quart to get it back to
 correct level).
 7. I am going to monitor for a couple of weeks.
 Any suggestions about why the level would go down so much, could this be
 from the work the shop did with the water pump, or am I burning oil?
 What causes oil to burn??? ( age of vehicle, etc)
 Thanks for the help in advance...
 David Lang
 Mayo Clinic Scottsdale Information Services
 (602)301-4683
 Email: lang.david@mayo.edu
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 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 19:53:09 -0700
 From: Tony Bartlett  Subject: Ford shock mounts
 To: Toy4x4  Charles, I have a description of how I installed the mounts at
 http://www.digitalpla.net/~offroader
 Tony
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 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 01:11:22 -8 GMT
 From: "Leo G. Divinagracia III"  Subject: funny thing seen in the 4runner forum by a web site
 To: Toy4x4 List  wanna good laugh?  check out the 4runner forum at:
 http://4x44u.vmag.com/forum/4runner/index.html
 one thread wanted to know how much gas was left when the low fuel
 idiot light comes on.  the poster asked because they saw the seinfeld
 episode about this subject...
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 Leo G. Divinagracia III
 ldivinag@csuhayward.edu
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 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 17:45:08 -0800
 From: Ken Emanuel  Subject: Gearing
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 Michael Rowe wrote:>>>>>There's a method for this madness, if anyone cares to hear about it.>>> what is it?> A friend has a Custom Cab Turbo with a lot of miles (over 300,000) and
 the truck needs a new turbo and some head work.  Since the turbos used
 the 1988 V6 truck transmission (which is the same as the 1988 and 1989
 V6 4Runner transmissions) and used the beefier drivetrain (so I
 thought), they could install a 3.0L V6 for a little more $$$ than what
 it would cost to repair their engine.  Their truck is unreplaceable, so
 they wouldn't mind paying the extra to install the V6.
 Which leads to a second discovery...I have been looking to replace my
 truck with an identical model with the V6. In the last year-and-a-half,
 I have been unsuccessful in finding one even close to as nice as mine.
 If the turbos use the standard drivetrain, then my driveline would stand
 up to the power and torque of the V6.  The turbo only has 3 ft. lbs less
 torque than the V6.  My roommate has a turbo truck running 9 psi with
 the non-turbo transmission.  I don't see where I would have any
 driveline problems going from a 116 HP engine to a 150 HP engine.
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 Ken Emanuel                     Emanuel@csus.edu
 '87 Xtra Cab SR5    (22R-E)
 http://webpages.csus.edu/~sac75830/toystuff.htm
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 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 22:19:44 -0500
 From: Agustinus Gunawan  Subject: Gearing
 To: "'Toy4x4@tlca.org'"  Mine is a standard cab short bed pickup. 5 speed manual transmission.
 - -----Original Message-----
 From:	Ken Emanuel [SMTP:sac75830@saclink.csus.edu]
 Is your vehicle an automatic or manual?
 Also, is it a truck or 4Runner?
 I thought that since 4Runners are "lighter duty" than the trucks
 because of the lower payload and lower towing capacities, that
 the possibility exists that the turbo trucks have the 4 pinion
 axle while the turbo 4Runners have the 2 pinion.  Just a guess.
 ------------------------------
 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 19:36:02 -0800
 From: "Ryan Comber"  Subject: Gearing
 To: "Toy4x4 List" > Does anyone else with a V6 have the G292 axle code?  It is located> on the firewall on older models, and on the door jam on newer models.
 I have an 89 truck with the V6.  My VIN number reads 252.  I take this to
 say that I have 4.56 gears
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 Ryan Comber                        89 Toyota SR5 V6 X-Cab 4x4
 rcomber@uniserve.com
 http://users.uniserve.com/~rcomber
 When you come to a fork in the road...  GO STRAIGHT!
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 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 22:36:48 -0500
 From: Agustinus Gunawan  Subject: Gearing
 To: "'Toy4x4@tlca.org'"  You have to consider the cost for changing the computer and wiring since
 they are completely different than the V6 engine. Go with 3.4 instead since
 you might get the engine cheaper (not much replacement demand yet)
 I think ATK sells a complete replacement Turbo engine and it does not cost
 much more than standard 22RE. You don't have to refund the core to this
 company and they will deliver for $100. You got to use the original fuel
 induction though.
 - -----Original Message-----
 From:	Ken Emanuel [SMTP:Emanuel@csus.edu]
 A friend has a Custom Cab Turbo with a lot of miles (over 300,000) and
 the truck needs a new turbo and some head work.  Since the turbos used
 the 1988 V6 truck transmission (which is the same as the 1988 and 1989
 V6 4Runner transmissions) and used the beefier drivetrain (so I
 thought), they could install a 3.0L V6 for a little more $$$ than what
 it would cost to repair their engine.  Their truck is unreplaceable, so
 they wouldn't mind paying the extra to install the V6.
 Which leads to a second discovery...I have been looking to replace my
 truck with an identical model with the V6. In the last year-and-a-half,
 I have been unsuccessful in finding one even close to as nice as mine.
 If the turbos use the standard drivetrain, then my driveline would stand
 up to the power and torque of the V6.  The turbo only has 3 ft. lbs less
 torque than the V6.  My roommate has a turbo truck running 9 psi with
 the non-turbo transmission.  I don't see where I would have any
 driveline problems going from a 116 HP engine to a 150 HP engine.
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 Ken Emanuel                     Emanuel@csus.edu
 '87 Xtra Cab SR5    (22R-E)
 http://webpages.csus.edu/~sac75830/toystuff.htm
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 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 16:57:18 -0800
 From: James Brink  Subject: hard starting 3.0l v6
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 Peter Mould wrote:>> Just got my truck back from having it's HG done, They also replaced the rings, bearings, shaved the block & heads.>> Now it has real trouble trying to start hot or cold has to crank over for 5-10 sec.>> Took it back to the Toyota dealer and they said "give it a 1000kms or so & it should be ok".>> To me that dose not sound right!! I would like to know what I should look for to try & fix the problem
 No, it doesn't sound right. (The ones I have done fire right up...). If
 the mechanic failed to connect connectors to the cold-start injector or
 time switch, this would be a possible cause. Other reasons could be:
 Loose air intake hose
 Incorrect valve timing
 Loose fuel lines (gasoline smell)
 Loose intake manifold bolts (also poor idling)
 Bad or loose connection at the battery
 Bad or loose connection at the airflow meter
 Give the mechanic a break. With the number of HG jobs some of the
 dealers are performing, a mistake is bound to happen.
 - --
 Jim Brink, Toyota/ASE Certified Technician	1986 Std. Bed 4x4
 Manhattan Beach, CA				32x11.50/15 BFG M/Ts
 ToyTech@Off-Road.com
 ********************************************************************
 TLCA - Friends of the Mojave Road (FOMR) - CA4WDC
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 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 17:16:04 -0500
 From: "NUNES, ROB"  Subject: New Swampers
 To: "'toy4x4@tlca.org'"  Has anyone seen the latest issue on 4Wheel & Off-Road?
 In it, they have a spy photo of a new, cool looking, 35-14.5 15 Radial
 Super Swamper.
 Does anyone have Interco's phone number or web site that you can send to
 me?
 I would like to contact them to find out when this tire will be
 available.
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 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 23:22:45 EST
 From: DRM033  Subject: New Swampers
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 In a message dated 98-01-26 17:30:15 EST, you write:> Has anyone seen the latest issue on 4Wheel & Off-Road?>>  In it, they have a spy photo of a new, cool looking, 35-14.5 15 Radial>  Super Swamper.> I was drooling all over the place when I saw that.  Them look-um good!!!
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 David Moore                       DRM033@aol.com
 90 Toyota Truck - 4" ProComp, 33" Swampers,
 4.88's, rear ARB, TJM bumper & Ramsey #8000
 TLCA #5662
 Traxx In Motion 4 Wheel Drive Club
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 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 18:27:35 -0800
 From: Scott Rowin  Subject: Rear end vibration (high speed)
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 My '88 130k mi 4 Runner started having a slight vibration up at 75 MPH+
 (mostly under power, not as bad w/o).  Wheels have been rebalanced twice -
 I wanted a second opinion and found out the first time they installed a bit
 too much weight.  I've recently replaced the u-joints due to the infamous
 clunk - that's gone.  But now the vibration is worse.  I'm thinking of
 doing these steps to get it back to smooth (testing after each to see if
 there's a fix):
 1> take the driveshaft off again, have it balanced (age + new joints = out
 of balance?)
 2> replace my outer bearings in the rear - they're starting to sound rough
 (with 31's, I have no doubt that they could be getting dry & worn).
 3> replace the transmission mount - new padding down there can help.
 .. getting wilder..
 4> replace the pilot bearing on the differential - could be worn, possibly
 rebuild the differential - replace the inner bearings as well (?).  This
 seems extreme though since oil's changed every year or more.
 Any other things I could consider?
 thanks, scott
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 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 19:27:59 +0000
 From: Chris Geiger  Subject: Rear end vibration (high speed)
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 I have had a problem like you describe since the day I bought my truck.
 After 2 years and having the tires balanced at 4 different shops I found
 that one of the wheels was bent (more than the rest ) I put new american
 wheels on and my vibration is gone. All the balance machines would
 balance the tires fine and not give any indication of a problem but the
 last time I went in to get tires the guy balancing said hey look at
 this, the wheel goes up and down on the balancer, you must have a bent
 rim here! Look at your wheels.
 Chris Gegier 93 4Runner http://geiger.mcl.ucsb.edu/offroad.html
 Scott Rowin wrote:>         My '88 130k mi 4 Runner started having a slight vibration up> at 75 MPH+> (mostly under power, not as bad w/o).  Wheels have been rebalanced> twice -> I wanted a second opinion and found out the first time they installed> a bit> too much weight.  I've recently replaced the u-joints due to the> infamous> clunk - that's gone.  But now the vibration is worse.  I'm thinking of>> doing these steps to get it back to smooth (testing after each to see> if> there's a fix):
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 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 18:46:50 -0800
 From: "Don M. West"  Subject: Speedometer recalibration
 To: Toyota 4x4 mailing list  well, this talk had me wondering...
 Isn't there a way to recalibrate the speedo and odometer to take into
 account whatever error is generated because of tire and/or gear changes? I
 seem to recall reading about it somewhere, but have brain failure at the
 moment *:) Too busy planning the next mods on my truck when I can afford it!
 Don
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 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:44:43 -0600
 From: John Schultz  Subject: Speedometer recalibration
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 Don M. West wrote:> Isn't there a way to recalibrate the speedo and odometer to take into> account whatever error is generated because of tire and/or gear changes?
 Yes....
 You just simply shell out  $1600.00 for gears and lockers like I just did last
 week and wah lah, the speedo is right where it should be:-)
 Actually I think you can just change the plastic gear in the transfer case but,
 my approach was much more exciting yet somehow very painful $$$$.
 John
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 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 18:01:41 -0700
 From: Rob Boyle  Subject: Ssstttttuuuuutttttteeeeerrrrriiiinnnnnggggg Truck
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 Ed.Wong@astramerck.com wrote:>>>>>I did not resurface the flywheel.>> IHMO - the description sounds like a slipping clutch.> It may be that the flywheel is out of balance. More likely,> the main seal on the engine or tranny or both is leaking oil> on to the pressure plate.>  PAK RAT, ive been paying close attention to the stutter thread, ive got it too, just like you described. it comes and goes to some extent. very hard to determine whats going on. mines an 85 4runner, i replaced the clutch back in 91 with a downey, and nope i didn't resurface my flywheel either. the stutter didnt start till this summer, though. i also noticed it when engine breaking a couple of times. leading me to believe its not fuel or spark. I do have an exhaust leak, right by the 02 sensor, in case thats something else we might have in common. the speratic nature of it is kind of confusing. It looks like ED's probably rite.good for ED, not so good for us.
 Rob Boyle
 85 4runner
 ezlockers F&R
 33-12.5's
 4.88 gears
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 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 18:49:15 -0500
 From: Mojo  Subject: Stuttering
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org>    I am limited in my mechanic's ability!   I would appreciate any advice.  I> am ready to pull out my hair (what's left anyway :-) ).>>    Well, now that I have cried on your collective shoulders :-{  I will let> you go!>> Bob> "THE Texas Pack Rat"> TXPakRat@aol.com> Total speculation here, check the transfer mount sometimes they break loose or one side of the rubber comes off of the
 metal part of the mount. (motor mounts too!!!)Question do you have any kind of lift on this truck? If your still running
 stock springs I'll bet  they are getting tired, especially with a 4 Runner and all that extra weight in the rear. I have
 found stock rear Toy springs to be very soft even when new and prone to wrap. When they they get tired they will wrap even
 more!
 Start with a tired Toy rear spring ( or some aftermarket units, my Downey units lasted exactly 3 months.) add say a rear
 brake drum that is barely rubbing throw in some speed the you get a  jiggling rear end, WALA there you have it a stuttering
 sensation..
 I had much the same problem with my 83 lot's of bucking when under acceleration but not any during take off or slow stuff.
 I solved it by making  some 6 leaf packs out of various springs around the garage then rebuilding my rear brakes cleared it
 right up.
 As an experiment have a buddy drive your truck at a speed where this is happening then follow him and watch the rear axle
 see if it seems to be doing any kind of a dance, I actually had someone follow a friend of mine in my truck and video taped
 it so I could zoom in. I bet you'll be amazed at how much it will wrap under acceleration try to get up beside it where you
 can watch the pinion that is where movement will be most noticeable.
 Ramblings :)
 Sheldon
 sgard@flnet.com> ------------------------------
 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 20:27:00 -0500 (EST)
 From: Todd Johansson  Subject: Stuttering.
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 My truck does the same thing!  I thought I was alone!  I have never been
 able to track it down.  Hope someone has some ideas!
 o__         Todd "TMAN" Johansson
 | ___/_|_\__      '84 SR5 22R  TLCA #6931
 |! _ __|_ _ !
 * (_)    (_)      "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes."
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 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 98 19:09:18 PST
 From: "ROBINS"  Subject: TOY4X4 DIGEST AM I SIGNED UP OR NOT. TOTALLY LOST
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 MR ALFORD I DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY I AM GETTING THESE BLANK EMAILS. IS THERE
 SUPOSE TO BE INFO OR WHAT. I AM LOST. I AM SUPOSE TO BE SIGNED UP FOR
 TOY4X4 DIGEST. BUT HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY THING
 YET. HAVE I NOT DONE SOMETHING CORRECTLY
 - ----------
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 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 17:32:34 -0800
 From: Scott Wilson  Subject: TOY4X4 DIGEST AM I SIGNED UP OR NOT. TOTALLY LOST
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 ROBINS wrote:>> MR ALFORD I DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY I AM GETTING THESE BLANK EMAILS. IS THERE> SUPOSE TO BE INFO OR WHAT. I AM LOST. I AM SUPOSE TO BE SIGNED UP FOR> TOY4X4 DIGEST. BUT HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY THING> YET. HAVE I NOT DONE SOMETHING CORRECTLY
 Problems and requests need to be sent to toy4x4-request@tlca.org   NOT
 to the list...and NOT to the admins personal accout either...AND FOR
 PETE'S SAKE...TURN OFF YOUR CAPS LOCK!!
 Scott Wilson
 LIST ADMIN
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 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 18:03:18 -0800
 From: Ken Emanuel  Subject: TOY4X4 DIGEST AM I SIGNED UP OR NOT. TOTALLY LOST
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 Scott Wilson wrote:> AND FOR PETE'S SAKE...TURN OFF YOUR CAPS LOCK!!
 O. K.  (WHOOPS, MY CAPS LOCK IS STUCK!)
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 Ken Emanuel                     Emanuel@csus.edu
 '87 Xtra Cab SR5    (22R-E)
 http://webpages.csus.edu/~sac75830/toystuff.htm
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 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 17:17:36 -0800
 From: "John M. Smith"  Subject: Toy Limited slip
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 what does anyone know about a factory limited slip? please e mail me
 directly thanks
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 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 17:27:58 -0800
 From: Scott Wilson  Subject: Truck Hill -almost- claims another
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 Leo G. Divinagracia III wrote:>>      From: Scott Wilson >>      I  go to start the truck to get out of this 'situation' and NOTHING>      HAPPENS!! No power...anywhere.>> i'd check the ground wire from the battery to the engine block.  it may have> been loose and mark's shaking it could have caused it to contact enough for> you to start it.  it's bolted to a bottom part of the engine, on the> passenger's side in the front.  you can work on it from under, remove the> aluminum foil... er i mean the front skid plate first.  if i remember right,> it's a weird head on the bolt, like a torx...
 It was the + cable.  The lousy techs at Steven's Creek Toyota didn't
 screw it down tight.  I found the loose wing nut today.
 Scott
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 /_/_|_\__      Scott Wilson
 | _     _ :     Santa Clara, CA
 */_\---/_\'     http://www.off-road.com/~swilson
 (_)   (_)
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 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 16:14:58 -0800
 From: "Craig Blanchette"  Subject: V6 or V8 in an '80 Toy
 To:  Five friends and I have all done the V8 conversion, some using advance
 adaptors, others using chevy transfercase. The swap is very easy as long as
 you make sure everything lines up and is mounted where you want. Most of us
 went with the V8 instead of the V6 because of cost. V8's are very cheap to
 buy and fix. While being overkill in the power department. Two of my friends
 went the advance adaptor route. Spending huge amounts of money. While making
 the initial install easier, both trucks have over heating problems and are
 wearing out the transfercase. One went with the bellhousing route and blows
 tranny's all the time. The trucks that are all chevy with no advanced
 adaptors at all (4 trucks including mine) haven't had any problems
 whatsoever. All use camaro or landcruser V8 conversion rads, 4 have manual
 fans and one uses electric's only. two have 4 speed manual tranny's, 2 have
 turbo 350's. 3 are using 205 transfercase's and mine uses a rockwell 2.5 ton
 military transfercase. All the trucks are keeping ujoints and 3rd members
 just fine. Tranny crossmember must be custom made to clear front
 driveshafts. Either by modifying a toy crossmember or making a new one all
 together. Hope this helps
 - -----Original Message-----
 From: DRM033@aol.com  To: Toy4x4@tlca.org  Date: Monday, January 26, 1998 10:36 AM
 Subject: V6 or V8 in an '80 Toy>I know this has been tossed around many times, but I have a few more>questions.  I will be checking the archives and am looking for new input
 also.>>Which is easier, V6 or V8?>>Which is cheaper?>>4.3 or Buick?>>We are planning on skipping the adapter stuff and just using 700R4 or T350>with 203 (I think) X-fer case.  Anything other than making whole new>crossmember? (I know new drive shafts)>>Any thoughts on this or any other tips?  like I said, we are trying to
 avoid>the $$$$$$ adapters.>thanks>>--------------------------------------------------------------------->David Moore                       DRM033@aol.com>90 Toyota Truck - 4" ProComp, 33" Swampers,>4.88's, rear ARB, TJM bumper & Ramsey #8000>                      TLCA #5662>       Traxx In Motion 4 Wheel Drive Club>---------------------------------------------------------------------
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 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 23:18:42 -0500
 From: Jay Kopycinski  Subject: V6 or V8 in an '80 Toy
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 DRM033@aol.com wrote:>I know this has been tossed around many times, but I have a few more>questions.  I will be checking the archives and am looking for new input also.>>Which is easier, V6 or V8?
 C'mon David....you KNOW the answer to that......
 Which is cheaper?
 Depends a lot on the cost of your engine and how much you
 wanna saw away and how big a hammer you have.....Engine cost
 will probably be the biggest factor overall.>4.3 or Buick?
 The Buick will probably be a little cheaper depending on
 what you can actually find. The Buick is a little easier
 to install due to the smaller overall width.>We are planning on skipping the adapter stuff and just using 700R4 or T350>with 203 (I think) X-fer case.  Anything other than making whole new>crossmember? (I know new drive shafts)
 That'll work if the front driveshaft output is on the right side.....
 I don't know much about the 203. You will sacrifice the possibility
 of using a Marlin. You may not have to scrap the driveshafts
 completely.....maybe just change the ends as needed. You'll need
 to come up with a speedo drive.>Any thoughts on this or any other tips?  like I said, we are trying to avoid>the $$$$$$ adapters.
 Figure your complete cost carefully. It won't be cheap. Also consider
 your $$ savings avoiding the adapter vs. the other implications
 of doing the 203 or similar setup. I'll be glad to answer other
 specific questions you may have.
 Jay Kopycinski      '85 Toylet  (ROKTOY).....71k on the conversion :-)
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 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 23:37:29 -0500
 From: Sheldon Gardner  Subject: V6 OR V8 in an 80 Toy
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 12:48:39 EST> From: DRM033@aol.com> Subject: V6 or V8 in an '80 Toy> To: Toy4x4@tlca.org>> I know this has been tossed around many times, but I have a few more> questions.  I will be checking the archives and am looking for new input also.>> Which is easier, V6 or V8?
 V6 is a much nicer fit with less mods, plus I have seen a few use the stock exhaust manifolds with the Buick swaps.> Which is cheaper?
 Can't get cheaper than a 350, although after watching many V8 toys run down here in Fla I can tell you the truck becomes way
 nose heavy and tends to dig in while 4 poppers kinda float over the goo.> 4.3 or Buick?> I looked for 4.3's for a while found a few, some shot the good ones always cost too much. A good rebuild of a 4.3 I believe
 will cost you a bit more than a 231. On the other hand I found a plethora of late 80's  Buick cars complete and running for
 what some wanted for a decent 4.3.I think the 4.3 has the performance advantage out of the box but with a little coaxing the
 Buicks can make "I believe" more than enough power for a Toy; Toy axles are tuff but a 350 will bust stuff for sure if you do
 any kind of pedal to the floor wheeling.  You can get a Buick 231  to GM 700R or TH350 adapter for about 150.00 bucks from
 Downey or Advance, not too hard to find a GM tranny and transfer and 231's are way common ( something to contemplate, you might
 spend less getting the Buick motor with GM tranny Transfer combo and buying the adapter).
 Dunno if you can somehow hook up a Buick TH350 to a GM transfer. I have seen a few V8 Toys and can tell you they are awesome
 but I live in Flat Swamp land with only mud and sand to deal with. I really think that a V8 version in say a Tellico-esk type
 area would be asking for some breakage.> We are planning on skipping the adapter stuff and just using 700R4 or T350> with 203 (I think) X-fer case.
 60 bucks for a part-time kit for a 203 a nice item to have.>  Anything other than making whole new> crossmember? (I know new drive shafts)> I have an old Toy drive shaft that the guy had a GM style end welded on the axle side, better than a whole new one.> Any thoughts on this or any other tips?  like I said, we are trying to avoid> the $$$$$$ adapters.> thanks
 HEI ignition cheap and simple. I think the 6 will be much easier to cool and keep you from having to bang or cut a lot of sheet
 metal.btw did you get the pic?
 Sheldon
 sgard@flnet.com> - ---------------------------------------------------------------------> David Moore                       DRM033@aol.com> 90 Toyota Truck - 4" ProComp, 33" Swampers,> 4.88's, rear ARB, TJM bumper & Ramsey #8000>                       TLCA #5662>        Traxx In Motion 4 Wheel Drive Club
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 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:59:04 -0800
 From: jen and chris keeling  Subject: wood beds
 To: toy4x4@tlca.org
 This is in reply to Pete's question about the wood beds.  I built one on
 my 1987 Std cab truck without too much difficulty.  I did my mine pretty
 much all by scratch since I had no real idea how to do it.  I'm
 currently in the process of "planning" how I'm going to rebuild it in
 the near future (have to get another car running first before the truck
 can sit). Some helpful hints to make the job easier:
 - - Try to use the stock t/l lens if possible (I didn't...wiring ordeal
 is    easier if you use the stock lens/connectors)
 - - With the bed off, you have much easier access to the fuel
 filter/fuel    tank...good time to replace the filter.
 - - I used 3" blocks from my body lift so the bed floor would be higher
 &     more space between the tire.
 Oh, and don't forget about all the redneck, termite and "Do you have
 your Home Depot receipts for the ins. company " jokes you'll soon be
 hearing!
 Chris --- jckeeling@erols.com
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