Toy4x4 Digest          Fri, 23 Jan 98 00:30:03 (HST)  Volume 1 : Issue 672
 Today's Topics:
 86 4RUNNER oil pan gasket question???please help !! (2 msgs)
 Belt tension
 Bio
 Combining Lift Kits
 Diesel Engine to Toyota Land Cruiser 98?
 Diffs are in! (2 msgs)
 Fried morning (2 msgs)
 Front mount on IFS diff broken (2 msgs)
 front spring question
 fuel empty light
 Fw: Read my lips!
 Hard start Hot
 I'll tell you why not TLCA's Moab Event!!!
 Ifs (2 msgs)
 Milage
 Mud Kings vs. BFG MTs
 Need advice on lifting '85 4Runner to clear 35" BFGs (3 msgs)
 New Jersey emissions
 Read my lips
 Reply about 86 oil pan leak from owner (2 msgs)
 signal rotor air gap (2 msgs)
 Steven's Creek Toyota
 Sticker info.........
 STOCK AIR BOX
 Tacoma Rear Bumper
 tires (2 msgs)
 Toy4x4 Digest V1 #671
 Truck Pricing
 Truck webring?
 UNSUBSCRIBE
 Updated rubicon report
 vented disk swap: better stops? (9 msgs)
 West Coast Off-Road
 What engine is in an 80 SR5 (2 msgs)
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 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:46:34 -0800
 From: "Todd and Terry Steele"  Subject: 86 4RUNNER oil pan gasket question???please help !!
 To: >I just got my truck back from a long road trip and when I noticed my oil
 pan>was leaking oil from the around the front half of the motor.
 Are you sure it's the oil pan and not the front seal??
 Todd
 His:  87 Toyota 4X4, Marlin Tcase #180, EZ Lockers F/R, Custom rear bumper
 and nerfs, Ramsey F bumper, Trailmaster/Superlift 4", 33-9.5 BFG MT's.
 Custom Body by Sierra Nevada.
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 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:21:13 -0800
 From: Brandon Miller  Subject: 86 4RUNNER oil pan gasket question???please help !!
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 the bolts tend to loosen up, did you check for tightness?  you should retorque
 them, clean the engine with degreaser and you probably won't have a problem...
 Todd and Terry Steele wrote:>>I just got my truck back from a long road trip and when I noticed my oil> pan>>was leaking oil from the around the front half of the motor.>> Are you sure it's the oil pan and not the front seal??>> Todd> His:  87 Toyota 4X4, Marlin Tcase #180, EZ Lockers F/R, Custom rear bumper> and nerfs, Ramsey F bumper, Trailmaster/Superlift 4", 33-9.5 BFG MT's.> Custom Body by Sierra Nevada.
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 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 22:44:57 -0800
 From: James Brink  Subject: Belt tension
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 s0baker@usuhsb.usuhs.mil wrote:>> Along with the recent belt tension thread.  There is supposed to be a certain> tension that the beltgs are set at.  Any ideas on where to get a belt tension> meter?  Or do y'all just crank it down until it feels good and tight.  That's> what I ended up doing.  Of course I always keep a couple of spares in the> truck just in case.  H
 Don't waste your money on a belt tension guide, those are for
 Mercedes-Benz technicians :-)
 I adjust belts to where they have about a half an inch of freeplay in
 either direction at the centermost span of the pulleys.
 Once you tension new belts, run the engine for 10 minutes or so then
 recheck to see if they need to be readjusted.
 - --
 Jim Brink, Toyota/ASE Certified Technician	1986 Std. Bed 4x4
 Manhattan Beach, CA				32x11.50/15 BFG M/Ts
 ToyTech@Off-Road.com
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 TLCA - Friends of the Mojave Road (FOMR) - CA4WDC
 ------------------------------
 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 98 18:30:23 PST
 From: "ROBINS"  Subject: Bio
 To: "Toy4x4"  - ---------->> Personal Bio Info>> POST TO THE LIST ONLY>> toy4x4@tlca.org> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++>> Name: DAVID R BROWN II>> City & State: DAYTON, TN>> Country: USA>> E-mail address: robins@volstate.net>> Toyota (s) year & model: 92 TOYOTA 4RUNNER>> Are you a TLCA Member (Y/N/Number?):>> Age: 23>> Occupation: LA-Z-BOY FUNITURE GALLERIES (SYSTEMS MANAGER)>> Marital Status: SINGLE>> Hobbies: WATER AND SNOW SKING, SNOWBOARDING, 4WHEELING,>> How did you find out about the Toyota 4x4 Mailing List: OFF ROAD>> General info about your vehicle, self, etc.: 92 4RUNNER V6, WINCH, ALCOA
 WHEELS> ------------------------------
 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 22:43:08 -0800
 From: "Kenneth Sigel"  Subject: Combining Lift Kits
 To:  Has anyone combined pieces from different IFS lift kits?  I have Rancho
 control arms, centerlink, and tie rods.  I'm considering adding some pieces
 of the Trail Master to get another 3" or so.  I suspect everything should
 work fine, but I'd like some input.
 Kenneth Sigel    TLCA Member    #6752
 '88 Toyota shortbed
 Rear ARB, 4.88's, Marlin Crawler #161
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 Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 23:40:21 -0400
 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antonio_J._GONZ=C1LEZ-FERN=C1NDEZ?="  Subject: Diesel Engine to Toyota Land Cruiser 98?
 To: "Lista TOY4x4"  Esteemed Friends of Toy4x4:
 I write from Venezuela in order to ask:
 Who it is the better Diesel motor for a Toyota
 Land Cruiser? Its original motor is a 4500 - 24 val.
 Thank you ahead of time for their attention. sincerely
 Antonio J. Gonzalez-Fernandez
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 Centro de InvestigaciM-sn y Manejo de Fauna - MANFAUNA
 Reserva Privada de Naturaleza MATACLARA
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 angonfer@telcel.net.ve
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 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 01:44:00 +0000 (GMT)
 From: knight@atmos.albany.edu (David J. Knight)
 Subject: Diffs are in!
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 OK, True Trak is the gear LSD right?
 Can I put one in front and drive all winter with the front
 hubs locked, but usually in 2WD?
 If I do, will it make any difference in handling compared
 to driving an open front diff with hubs locked in 2WD?
 I wouldn't think so, but, would like to hear first hand from
 somebody doing this.
 Thanks
 David Knight
 knight@atmos.albany.edu
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 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 06:25:20 -0800
 From: Chris Geiger  Subject: Diffs are in!
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org> OK, True Trak is the gear LSD right?
 Yes> Can I put one in front and drive all winter with the front> hubs locked, but usually in 2WD?
 Yes that will work as long as both hubs are locked> If I do, will it make any difference in handling compared> to driving an open front diff with hubs locked in 2WD?> I wouldn't think so, but, would like to hear first hand from> somebody doing this.
 No you should not notice it at all in 2WD w/hubs locked.
 Chris Geiger http://geiger.mcl.ucsb.edu/offroad.html
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 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:14:06 -0700
 From: Rob Boyle  Subject: Fried morning
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 bwiencek@kcnet.com wrote:>> On Thu, 22 Jan 1998, Rob Boyle  wrote:>>the start position as she walked away from the started truck. 10 minutes>>later I go out to find the truck stalled, stinking of electrical>> Good luck with the repairs.> - Brian
 Every thing seems to be ok now, new rebuilt starter droped right in
 there. it took longer than ussual to start, blew some brown smoke for a
 while and now runs just like before. Thanks for the advice Brian, now I
 need to lube up the ignition like you said. no help for the fish though.
 Rob
 85 4runner
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 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:56:46 -0700
 From: daves8@juno.com (DAVE SCHOENBERG)
 Subject: Fried morning
 To: loki@crestedbutte.net, toy4x4@tlca.org
 Hi, Rob,
 Strongly suggest that any oil (even 3-in-1) is too thick when it gets
 Crested Butte cold.  Might try WD-40 to clean it and then liquid graphite
 (sold for use in locks) to lube it.  Graphite won't thicken when cold.
 Dave Schoenberg, Arvada, Colorado-----Who else gives advice like this???
 '81 Toy/'86 EFI engine/5-spd/xfer--an' I did it all myself, with NO
 Liquid Nails!!
 Brakes and heater both work exceedingly well, thank you.
 Thank You for subscribing to "Dave's Automotively Mechanical Humor Line".
 DaveS8@Juno.com>> On Thu, 22 Jan 1998, Rob Boyle  wrote:
 ........now I need to lube up the ignition.......
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 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 22:40:49 -0800
 From: "Kenneth Sigel"  Subject: Front mount on IFS diff broken
 To:  Anyone ever break the front mount from the crossmember on an IFS Toyota?  I
 broke mine, but I'm not sure why.  It broke right at the welds.  The diff
 bounced a little and made a little dent in the oil pan.  The worst is that
 both inner CV boots hit the frame and now I have to replace both boots.  My
 truck is an 88 pickup.  If you have an IFS truck, I'd suggest checking the
 front mount for any cracks.
 Kenneth Sigel    TLCA Member    #6752
 '88 Toyota shortbed
 Rear ARB, 4.88's, Marlin Crawler #161
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 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:44:41 -0800
 From: Chris Geiger  Subject: Front mount on IFS diff broken
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 You may have also damaged the driver side mount for the front axle, look to see
 if it has been bent backwards. Mine was damaged after the front gears were put
 in and the guy forgot to put the front diff mount bolt back in. I only drove it
 about 20' before stoping to see what all the noise was about.
 Chris Gegier 93 4Runner http://geiger.mcl.ucsb.edu/offroad.html
 Kenneth Sigel wrote:> Anyone ever break the front mount from the crossmember on an IFS Toyota?  I> broke mine, but I'm not sure why.  It broke right at the welds.  The diff> bounced a little and made a little dent in the oil pan.  The worst is that> both inner CV boots hit the frame and now I have to replace both boots.  My> truck is an 88 pickup.  If you have an IFS truck, I'd suggest checking the> front mount for any cracks.>> Kenneth Sigel    TLCA Member    #6752> '88 Toyota shortbed> Rear ARB, 4.88's, Marlin Crawler #161
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 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 21:16:28 -0500
 From: Darren Floen  Subject: front spring question
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 I posted to the list last month about my wrangler front spring setup.I
 used the stock flat Toyota main leaf with a variety of stock wrangler
 leafs.I had these left over from when i lifted my 90 yj with
 procomp(junk) springs.Because of the thickness and flatness of the
 Toyota mainleaf,and the softness of the YJ springs,I did not get the
 lift i expected.I gained about 1 3/4" over stock.Last weekend i added
 another leaf in an effort to get more lift,but now the ride is
 unacceptable.They still flex very well(over 14") for what they are,but
 not what i want.If i do this again,i will use a thinner more deeply
 arched mainleaf,with a second mainleaf of the same variety,with half the
 eyes cut off to make up the second leaf.Then i'll just play with the YJ
 springs to get what i want.There are considerable advantages to using a
 flat spring and i think this is the only way to go for good ride and
 travel.Jay any details to share on your front springs?How come its not
 on your page??? :-)
 Darren Floen
 Juha Sarimaa wrote:>> David,>>> I saw somewhere that someone had used Jeep wrangler rear springs in the> front of their Toy truck.>> Off-Road.com has a 85 Toy flat bed as a feature vehicle in the Toyota section> and if I remember correctly it has Jeep Wrangler springs up front.>>> Does anyone have any more info on this, or know what is> involved?>> I think the YJ springs are slightly wider but they still fit.  There are> definitely people on this list that know more about this that I do.>> Juha.> 85 Hilux Single cab> 50% 94 Dual cab> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
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 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 01:07:20 EST
 From: JOEMAMA135  Subject: fuel empty light
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 Performance Products sells the clock,  it costs $57.75,  I thought this little
 clock looked cool, until I saw the price.
 ------------------------------
 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 20:39:55 -0800
 From: "Todd and Terry Steele"  Subject: Fw: Read my lips!
 To: "Toyota Digest" , "Ray Legros" ,>A bunch of Indians capture a cowboy and bring him back to their camp to>meet>the chief.  The chief says to the cowboy, "You going to die.  But we>sorry for>you, so give  you one wish a day for three days. On sundown of third>day, you>die.>>What is first wish?"  The cowboy says, "I want to see my horse." The>Indians>get his horse. The cowboy grabs the horse's ear and whispers something,>then>slaps the horse on the ass. The horse takes off.>>Two hours later, the horse comes back with a naked blonde.  She jumps>off the>horse and goes into the teepee with the cowboy.  The Indians look at>each>other, figuring, "Typical white man - can only think of one thing.">>The second day, the chief says, "What your wish today?" The cowboy says,>"I>want to see my horse again."  The Indians bring him his horse.  The>cowboy>leans over to the horse and whispers something in the horse's ear, then>slaps>it on the ass. Two hours later, the horse comes back with a naked>redhead. She>gets off and goes in the teepee with the cowboy.  The Indians shake>their>heads, figuring, "Typical white man - going to die tomorrow and can only>think>of one thing.">>The last day comes, and the chief says, "This your last wish, white man.>What>you want?" The cowboy says, "I want to see my horse again." The Indians>bring>him his horse. The cowboy grabs the horse by both ears, twists them hard>and>yells, "Read my lips!>>POSSE, damn it!  P-O-S-S-E!"> ------------------------------
 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 22:57:54 -0800
 From: "Jay Biery"  Subject: Hard start Hot
 To:  I have an 85 SR-5, 22R-E, EFI.  I have a very consistant hard start
 problem.  When the truck is hot,  and sits for 15-45 minutes, the first
 time you turn the engine over it wont start.  You could have the motor turn
 over till the battery dies but it will not fire.  However,  if you let the
 motor turnover a few revolutions, cycle the ingnition,(key back to on, then
 start),  it fires instantly.  I do not even know where to start looking for
 this problem.  Any thoughts will help,  thanks.   -Jay
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 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 22:42:18 +0000
 From: David Booth  Subject: I'll tell you why not TLCA's Moab Event!!!
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 In response to my inquiry about the Red Rock 4-Wheeler's Easter Safari,
 there have been postings basically slamming the event in favor of TLCA's
 similar event later in the month.
 For starters.  I have nothing against TLCA.  It appears to be a great
 club and does some very admireable and worthy things.  However, I have
 never liked trail events that are limited to just one make of vehicle
 simply because many of the people I love to go wheelin' with do not own
 Toyotas.  We have a wide range of 4x4s from Fords, GMCs, and Jeeps, to
 Isuzus.  We don't get out often enough as it is, and I'd hate to tell my
 friends that they can't come with me simply because they drive the wrong
 make of vehicle.
 I love my Toyota and wouldn't trade it for any other non-Toyota vehicle.
 I only suggested that we (Toyota owner's) try and out number the Jeeps
 on a trail run that typically is dominated by Jeeps, because I love to
 show those Jeepers that Jeeps are not the be-all, end-all of 4x4s.
 Anyway, I am going the weekend before Easter.  I turned in my
 registration today.  I'll run two trails, one on Saturday the 4th and
 one on Monday the 6th (Sunday we'll do our own thing).  Saturday my
 choice of trails in order are 1) Fins & Things, 2) Gold Bar Rim, 3)
 Copper Ridge, and 4) Posion Spider Mesa.  My choice on Monday is 1) Flat
 Iron Mesa, 2) Tip-Toe + Hike, 3) Fins & Things, and 4) Gold Bar Rim.
 Hopefully, I'll get my first choices and won't get the same trail twice.
 If anyone else is planning on these days and trails, please let me know.
 I'd love to meet up with you and have a great run.
 Thanks for listening (I know this was too long).
 Dave  dfbooth01@worldnet.att.net
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 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:56:49 -0700 (MST)
 From: Josh Ritchie  Subject: Ifs
 To: toy4X4@tlca.org
 Please don't make fun of me if this is an idiotic question but I need
 someone to explain independant front suspension.  Where does the spring
 come from?  I assume it is the torsion bar but is a flexing or twisting or
 what?
 Josh Ritchie
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 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 13:50:21 -1000 (HST)
 From: Eric Johnson  Subject: Ifs
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 On Thu, 22 Jan 1998, Josh Ritchie wrote:> Please don't make fun of me if this is an idiotic question but I need> someone to explain independant front suspension.  Where does the spring> come from?  I assume it is the torsion bar but is a flexing or twisting or> what?
 Yep, you guessed it. the torsion bar is a spring that instead of
 deflecting, twists. The more force you apply to it, the further it twists.
 The front wheels are each held by a pair of A-arms (aka control arms,
 wishbones). The upper A-arm on a toyota 4x4 is connected to one end of a
 torsion bar, and the other end attaches to the frame. As the arm moves up,
 it twists the bar, and that is where you get the 'springiness'.
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 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 01:05:35 -0600 (CST)
 From: pelland@ix.netcom.com
 Subject: Milage
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 I have a 94 pick up with a 22re engine, the gears have been changed to
 4.88's. If I change from Running 31x10.5 all terrains to 33x9.5 Mud terrains
 will my gas milage increase?
 The tires will match the gearing.
 Asuming the weight of the two tires is about equal (+2" height,-1" width).
 The circumference of the tire will be greater, so it seems like I should
 travel further per revolution.
 Therefore greater MPG???
 Mike
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 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 22:23:29 +0000
 From: David Booth  Subject: Mud Kings vs. BFG MTs
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 This has probably been asked and debated before, but I'm too @#*&! lazy
 to search it out in the library.  Anyway, I have 4 wheels sitting around
 without tires on them and I'm considering buying mud tires to put on
 them.  I'd trade off between them and my current BFG ATs as the need
 arises.  I'm considering 3 tires--BFG MTs, TSL Radials, and Mud Kings.
 I'd get the TSLs in a heart beat, but no local shops carry them.  They
 want an arm and a leg to order them, and I can't buy road hazard either.
 I can get both the BFG MTs or Mud Kings at Discount Tire, with road
 hazard, considerably cheaper than the TSLs (even if I were to mail order
 the TSLs), and I know the Mud King is less expensive than the MT.
 Furthermore, I know that the Mud King is made by BFG.
 Now, finally, I get to the point.  How do Mud Kings compare to BFG MTs
 when comparing, noise, tread wear, traction on slick rock, and
 durability on the trail (I've punctured the sides walls of 2 BFG ATs in
 the last 2 years)?
 Thanks a bunch.
 Dave
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 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:54:09 -0800
 From: Scott Wilson  Subject: Need advice on lifting '85 4Runner to clear 35" BFGs
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 Cartman wrote:> I am always leary about body lifts because of the look... I've only seen> "in person" 3" body lifts.  I've thought about a 1 1/2" --> 2" body> lift... How does it look?  Do ya need those "lift lip" things?  How does> it look in the front below the valence?
 Take a look at my web page.  All the shots you see are with the 2" body
 lift.  The old shots still have the valence on the front...the new ones
 don't have the valence.
 Scott
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 _____
 /_/_|_\__      Scott Wilson
 | _     _ :     Santa Clara, CA
 */_\---/_\'     http://www.off-road.com/~swilson
 (_)   (_)
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 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:19:09 -0800
 From: Brandon Miller  Subject: Need advice on lifting '85 4Runner to clear 35" BFGs
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 mine too
 http://gaia.ecs.csus.edu/~millerb/4x.html
 Scott Wilson wrote:> Cartman wrote:>>> I am always leary about body lifts because of the look... I've only seen>> "in person" 3" body lifts.  I've thought about a 1 1/2" --> 2" body>> lift... How does it look?  Do ya need those "lift lip" things?  How does>> it look in the front below the valence?>> Take a look at my web page.  All the shots you see are with the 2" body> lift.  The old shots still have the valence on the front...the new ones> don't have the valence.>> Scott> -->      _____>     /_/_|_\__      Scott Wilson>    | _     _ :     Santa Clara, CA>    */_\---/_\'     http://www.off-road.com/~swilson>     (_)   (_)> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 20:50:51 -0700
 From: Tony Bartlett  Subject: Need advice on lifting '85 4Runner to clear 35" BFGs
 To: Toy4x4  Jerald, one other bit of info is do you want wheel travel??
 If so you would have to move the front axle forward.  I have mine set
 forward 1 1/2 inches.  I might go to 35's the next set of tires I run.
 If you have not checked out my page it is at
 http://www.digitalpla.net/~offroader
 With the setup I have now I should be able to run 35's.  I do run bump
 stops though.  They are only about 2" tall.  But without them my
 33X15.50's would really rub.
 I would not recommend going any futher forward than 1 1/2 inches
 though.  It would put your drag link at too much of an angle.
 Right now I have the 4" drop drag link with stock steering arm.
 Let me know if you need any other information.
 Tony.
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 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 20:39:05 -0500
 From: jeff4cars@juno.com (Jeffrey Samler)
 Subject: New Jersey emissions
 To: toy4x4@tlca.org
 Charles Brooks wrote:
 I just received this off the Monte Carlo mailing list. Does anyone
 here live in NJ? Can you confirn this???
 I don't understand why all this BullShit is passing through
 legislation!
 I live in New Jersey.  I think I heard something about it a long time ago
 but never payed any attention to it.  My truck is due for inspection next
 month and I intend to take it to a local garage with no problems.  My
 truck passed for emmisions last year with flying colors but if I have to
 take it through some special inspection I know it will fail because of
 all the mods I have done to it.  I have even heard of trucks being failed
 in this state for having brushguards.  They say it messes up the
 headlights.  I have one and know for a fact that that is bullshit!  This
 state sucks for many reasons but at least they are finally uping the
 speedlimit to 65 in some areas, it's about time!!
 *************************************************************
 Jeff
 e-mail:  jeff4cars@juno.com
 web: http:// www.geocities.com/baja/dunes/4328/
 1989 SR5 V6 Extra Cab 4X4, 5-speed, 93,000 miles,
 and too many mods to list in 5 lines!!
 **************************************************************
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 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 21:21:42 -0800
 From: "Todd and Terry Steele"  Subject: Read my lips
 To: "Toyota Digest"  My apologies to any one I might have offended with that inadvertant posting.
 Just one slip of the keys and amazing what happens.  Again, my apologies.
 Todd
 His:  87 Toyota 4X4, Marlin Tcase #180, EZ Lockers F/R, Custom rear bumper
 and nerfs, Ramsey F bumper, Trailmaster/Superlift 4", 33-9.5 BFG MT's.
 Custom Body by Sierra Nevada.
 Scott, don't boot me off the list, it was an honest mistake.
 ------------------------------
 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 22:08:18 EST
 From: TNTLGCA  Subject: Reply about 86 oil pan leak from owner
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 I am positive it is the oil pan gasket because I use a screw driver on the
 throttle linkage to hold the rpm's at about 3.5 K. then I look under to see
 oil ooze out from space between the oil pan and the block... I have had front
 rear main oil seals gone befor and I use a clean rag while the motor is at
 peak oil pressure to clean the oil as it is seen.. And it is coming from the
 front half. I think the bolts are over 9 lbs. and the gasket and silicon bead
 has lost its bond.
 I am loosing about 3/4 of a quart a day  :*(
 I have alot of aftermarket crap on my motor Like a header ,cam, pistons, rings
 and valvues so I tend to drive the truck hard like 6.5 grand going 100 mph in
 fourth is not unheard of on a daily basic...
 I run swamper bogger 16x35x15 in the winter and I need to hit the higher rpms
 to get my cam to kick in the most torcue and h/p...
 I am afraid that im going to blow the motor from due to lack of oil on my
 daily 45 min drive to work...
 I think my truck may be due for the great 350/700R hop up.
 again anyone ????????
 whats the best way to change the oil pan gasket.??????
 ------------------------------
 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:43:41 -0800
 From: Brandon Miller  Subject: Reply about 86 oil pan leak from owner
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 If your wasting that much oil why don't you just change the gasket?  It will only
 take a little while to do, spread gasket sealer over the four areas where the
 different materials come together.  If you do, retorque them in a couple days.
 Seriously it is easy to do, all you need is a twelve mm socket and whatever size
 your drain bolt is.  Drain the oil, remove the pan and put on a new gasket,
 wallah!
 TNTLGCA wrote:> I am positive it is the oil pan gasket because I use a screw driver on the> throttle linkage to hold the rpm's at about 3.5 K. then I look under to see> oil ooze out from space between the oil pan and the block... I have had front> rear main oil seals gone befor and I use a clean rag while the motor is at> peak oil pressure to clean the oil as it is seen.. And it is coming from the> front half. I think the bolts are over 9 lbs. and the gasket and silicon bead> has lost its bond.>> I am loosing about 3/4 of a quart a day  :*(>> I have alot of aftermarket crap on my motor Like a header ,cam, pistons, rings> and valvues so I tend to drive the truck hard like 6.5 grand going 100 mph in> fourth is not unheard of on a daily basic...>> I run swamper bogger 16x35x15 in the winter and I need to hit the higher rpms> to get my cam to kick in the most torcue and h/p...>> I am afraid that im going to blow the motor from due to lack of oil on my> daily 45 min drive to work...>> I think my truck may be due for the great 350/700R hop up.>> again anyone ????????>> whats the best way to change the oil pan gasket.??????
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 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:20:04 -0800 (PST)
 From: rick99@jps.net (Rick Murray)
 Subject: signal rotor air gap
 To: toy4x4@tlca.org
 While tuning my 1984 22R, I checked the signal rotor air gap (in the distributer
 under the rotor where 'points' used to be 20 years ago).  Should be
 between .008" and .016".   Mine appears to be around .024" !!  What is
 the impact of being so far off ?   I talked to a Toyota mechanic, about this,
 and he said I should never adjust this, since they never go out of adjustment.
 That doesn't explain why it has adjusting screws, and is mentioned in the
 factory manual .
 Also, how do you remove that little dust cover under the rotor?  Doesn't
 seem to be any screws holding it on, and mild-to-medium prying doesn't get
 it off.  I'm afraid of breaking it if I pry too hard.  I think I need to
 remove it to adjust the air gap.
 I realize I've posted this last week, but not all of my questions were
 addressed in the responses.  Sorry for the additional band-width.
 ------------------------------
 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:54:48 -0800
 From: James Brink  Subject: signal rotor air gap
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 Rick Murray wrote:>> While tuning my 1984 22R, I checked the signal rotor air gap (in the distributer> under the rotor where 'points' used to be 20 years ago).  Should be> between .008" and .016".   Mine appears to be around .024" !!  What is> the impact of being so far off ?   I talked to a Toyota mechanic, about this,> and he said I should never adjust this, since they never go out of adjustment.> That doesn't explain why it has adjusting screws, and is mentioned in the> factory manual .
 Rick,
 There is no need to adjust the air gap unless the signal generator has
 been replaced. The adjustment slots are there to get the signal
 generator close enough to spec during replacement. The mechanic was
 correct, they do not wear or go out of adjustment. I have never found
 one to be bad due to incorrect gap.
 Used to be that the generator and distributor had to be replaced as a
 unit. Now the pieces are available separately. When assembled, the
 signal generator and distributor are a matched set. If the gap is a bit
 off spec., it is due to manufacturing and set-up.
 You can remove the dust cover by prying the legs outward a bit near the
 breaker plate (bottom plate, where the generator mounts).
 - --
 Jim Brink, Toyota/ASE Certified Technician	1986 Std. Bed 4x4
 Manhattan Beach, CA				32x11.50/15 BFG M/Ts
 ToyTech@Off-Road.com
 ------------------------------
 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:17:23 -0800
 From: Scott Wilson  Subject: Steven's Creek Toyota
 To: Toy4x4 List  I've said some nice things about Steven's Creek Toyota, and now I feel
 the need to clarify.  THE PARTS DEPARTMENT is a better than average
 source for Factory Toyota parts, and offer a 25% discount to TLCA
 members which comes in VERY handy.  Except for their one BIG blunder
 when ordering my tranny, they have been great to me, and I will continue
 to buy my parts there.
 THE SERVICE DEPARTMENT IS A JOKE!  I do not recommend you EVER bring
 your car there....EVER!!  The problem is mainly with the Service
 Writters.  They are a bunch of spineless liars who will say anything
 that comes to them...whether its true or not doesn't matter.
 I don't want to get into details, (mostly 'cause I'm too lazy to type it
 all out :-)  but when I recently had my head gasket work done there I
 was VERY dissapointed in them.  They lied about how soon it would be
 done...and then I caught them in another lie about why my truck was
 taking longer than it should.
 On top of all that...I get a call yesterday saying the truck is
 done...but now the radiator has a crack in it!!!   (funny...it wasn't
 cracked when I dropped it off)  Anyway, I took the truck, plopped a new
 radiator in it...and no more than 20 miles later these AWEFUL noises
 start coming from my engine compartment!!  I didn't want to deal with
 it...and I couldn't see anything obviously wrong from peeking under the
 hood.  I had it towed (for free - AAA club)  to the dealership and
 dropped it in their lap.  Luckily for my they had one of their better
 techs come out and look at it right then.  He found that the other tech
 had over tightened the belts, which caused the alternator belt to break
 a 6" part of it off...to the 6" piece (still attached at one end) was
 whipping through the pulley smacking everthing it could reach.
 Anyway...they fixed it up in another 1.5 hours and after QC'ing
 EVERYTHING else they could sent me on my way.  That service department
 will NEVER touch my truck again.
 Scott
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 /_/_|_\__      Scott Wilson
 | _     _ :     Santa Clara, CA
 */_\---/_\'     http://www.off-road.com/~swilson
 (_)   (_)
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 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 21:04:42 -0800
 From: Brandon Miller  Subject: Sticker info.........
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 I'd be glad to organize it!  If anyone emails me some of their ideas I'll post
 them on a page and I'll take any suggestions to making one.  If anyone emails me
 a picture of their truck/4runner/etc. I'll cut it out and shrink and then the
 list can vote on a select few to put on a club sticker along with any thing that
 represent email or computer of something. I've got no problem taking bits and
 pices from different places and pictures and making a logo out of it.
 Scott Wilson wrote:> Rob Ditusa wrote:>>>      Hope everyone's holidays were OK. Where did the sticker design end>> up???? Is it still a possibility??? Hate to maybe bring up a sore subject,>> but I think it's a cool idea.>> You're welcome to organize it....but I'm not getting involved.> I think I even still have all the old candidates to give you.>> Scott> -->      _____>     /_/_|_\__       Scott Wilson TLCA #5261  CA4WDC #13393>     | _     _ :     88 4Runner SR5 V6>     */_\---/_\'     Santa Clara, CA>      (_)   (_)      http://www.off-road.com/~swilson> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 ------------------------------
 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 23:59:04 -0500
 From: ray  Subject: STOCK AIR BOX
 To: toyota group  Hi everytoyobody i'm Ray Torres and i need to know who have a spare
 stock air box for a 1992  4x4 p/u .
 THANKS
 RAY
 ------------------------------
 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 20:00:46 -0800 (PST)
 From: Matt Barker  Subject: Tacoma Rear Bumper
 To: toy4x4@tlca.org
 Hello, I was wondering if anyone knows of a cheap place to buy a
 replacement rear bumper for a '97 Tacoma 4x4.  I'm looking for my
 friend, cheapest I've been able to find is $215 at a dealership in
 Newark, Deleware.  If anyone has any ideas of where to shop around
 please let me know, thanks alot.
 Matt Barker
 _________________________________________________________
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 Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
 ------------------------------
 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:58:37 -0800
 From: "j. sather"  Subject: tires
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 I have just put a 3` lift in my truck and it`s time to retire. I am looking
 for sugesions on size . 33x12.50 Or 35xsomething . I think I should go 35`s
 but need to
 know of any more modification to be done to the fenderwells
 Second problem is my longer brake lines I installed to acomidate the lift
 seem very vulnerable, expecially the rear .
 Any ideas  ???????
 by the way It is a 83 toy 4x4 3`lift locked front and rear,soon to be regeared
 at present I run 33x9.50 bfg`s no rubbing
 lana & jamie sather
 cruiser4x4@coastnet.com
 ------------------------------
 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:01:22 -0600
 From: Mark Kitlinski  Subject: tires
 To: "Toy4x4@tlca.org" >>I have just put a 3` lift in my truck and it`s time to retire.>> Good thing I had someone else do my lift if it's that hard to do! Seriously,> if you go much over 31" tires you truck becomes a dog with stock gearing.> 32" tires should fit, but from what I have seen of other trucks with 33's> they would probably rub.
 I currently have a 4" lift.  When wheeling my 31" tires rub a bit, mind you
 I'm running the stock bumpstops.  If you didn't care about travel, you could
 lower the bumpstops and never have a problem.
 - --
 Mark Kitlinski
 '85 Xtra cab
 Kitlinski@worldnet.att.net
 http://www.geocities.com/baja/dunes/2580/
 ------------------------------
 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 23:33:05 -0800 (PST)
 From: Jonathan Albrecht  Subject: Toy4x4 Digest V1 #671
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org>>I just got my truck back from a long road trip and when I noticed my> oil pan>was leaking oil from the around the front half of the motor.>>Its a 22re SR5>My question is do I have to do all the crap the> chitlins manuel says...I.E.>undo the tie rods and loosen the motor> mounts to replace the gasket??????>stuff cliped.>>I would like to do the repair myself this friday 1-23-98 so If anyone> out>there in toyota land could help me out with thier experineces> with replacing>the oil pan gasket on a 22re the easyiest way.>> How do you know it is the oil pan gasket? It could be your oil pump> seal by the crank. This is a well known area for failure and it will> leave the front half of your engine covered in oil. It is also a $20> (parts) fix that is simple to do.
 Same thing happened to my friend's '86, and we pulled the pan too (he
 had a 3" body and 4" suspesion).  The only thing we had to remove was
 the skidplate.  Also, make sure it really is the oil pan.  We were 99%
 sure it was on ours, but it wasn't.  And when we did the oil pan gasket,
 we ended up bending the pan slightly, so now the pan leaks ALSO.
 Have fun
 _______
 Jonathan Albrecht                      __.           /_/__|__\__
 albr9619@uidaho.edu                 __/__|\___       |_.--.__,--;
 http://www.uidaho.edu/~albr9619    :--.__|.--.|,---- ~'(__)'`(__)
 `'`'`''`'`'`''``'`'`'`'`''`'`'``'`
 ------------------------------
 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 21:44:03 EST
 From: CowbyUp77  Subject: Truck Pricing
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 Thanks for your responces.  I think I will keep looking for a 4Runner.  There
 has to be a better one for cheaper somewhere.
 Those Floor dents I was refering to was 'caused by the previous owner tossing
 various heavy objects into the rear of the truck.
 Again Thanks,
 ==============================================================================
 Chuck Thomas		               CowbyUp77@aol.com
 Ashland, OR
 ==============================================================================
 ------------------------------
 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:12:26 -0800
 From: Ken Emanuel  Subject: Truck webring?
 To: Toyota E-mail List Group  Is there a Toyota truck "WEB RING" yet, or can truck owners join the
 4Runner web ring?
 Thanks
 Ken Emanuel
 *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
 Ken Emanuel                     Emanuel@csus.edu
 '87 Xtra Cab SR5    (22R-E)
 http://webpages.csus.edu/~sac75830/toystuff.htm
 *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
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 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 23:39:31 -0400
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 4runners, T100=B4s RAV4s and some Tacomas) all the rest are Land =
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 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:30:23 -0800
 From: Chris Geiger  Subject: Updated rubicon report
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 Some months ago Mike Mendart sent me the text of last years Rubicon
 Trail run and a few weeks ago he gave me the video. I have pulled
 pictures from the video and inserted them into the text and the report
 is now finished. Just click on the picture of Mike's truck at the top of
 my page to see it. If you are planning to go to the Rubicon sometime
 this is a must read.
 Chris Geiger 93 4Runner http://geiger.mcl.ucsb.edu/offroad.html
 ------------------------------
 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:31:10 -0700
 From: "Jay Kopycinski"  Subject: vented disk swap: better stops?
 To: Toyota 4x4 List  runars@isbank.is wrote:>Hey Jay, You do know you are not suposed to drive like this....  People>have gotten themselves killed this way.....:-((>>Use the gears, and stay away from the brakes....
 I'm outta my corner again.......
 Yes, I know. But with an auto, there's very little compression braking
 so I tend to use the brakes more. I do try to cycle on and off of them
 to allow them to cool when I can. The auto is also one main reason
 I went to rear disks....so I could have better brakes in the rear to drag
 my speed down......than again.......a Marlin Crawler could help too ;-)
 Thanks everybody for the heat analysis on the brakes. I hated the
 one thermodynamics class I had to take and fluid mechanics
 wasn't much fun either ;-)
 Jay
 ------------------------------
 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:45:59 -0800
 From: James Brink  Subject: vented disk swap: better stops?
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 Jay Kopycinski wrote:> I always believed it was because of the heat rise and fluid expansion> in the calipers. What do you think it is?
 Brake fluid can boil in the cylinders/calipers and lines and this
 renders it quite ineffective.
 - --
 Jim Brink, Toyota/ASE Certified Technician	1986 Std. Bed 4x4
 Manhattan Beach, CA				32x11.50/15 BFG M/Ts
 ToyTech@Off-Road.com
 ------------------------------
 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 18:47:10 -0700
 From: daves8@juno.com (DAVE SCHOENBERG)
 Subject: vented disk swap: better stops?
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 One word for this problem---------->>>>>>>>>  DOWNSHIFT
 Dave Schoenberg, Arvada, Colorado
 '81 Toy/'86 EFI engine/5-spd/xfer
 Brakes and heater both work exceedingly well, thank you.
 Even on our little, tiny Colorado hills..........
 DaveS8@Juno.com
 On Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:15:23 -0700 "Jay Kopycinski"
 writes:>Ok, you're coming down a long, steep hill that requires quite a bit of>brake to keep the truck speed down. After a while, you find yourself>pushing harder and harder on the brake pedal to maintain slowing....
 ------------------------------
 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 18:47:39 -0700
 From: daves8@juno.com (DAVE SCHOENBERG)
 Subject: vented disk swap: better stops?
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 Old (still living and retired) truck-driver rule #1:  If your gears won't
 hold you back, SLOW DOWN and pick a lower gear that will.
 Signed (who else),
 Dave Schoenberg, Arvada, Colorado-----Who else gives advice like this???
 '81 Toy/'86 EFI engine/5-spd/xfer--an' I did it all myself, with NO
 Liquid Nails!!
 Brakes and heater both work exceedingly well, thank you.
 Thank You for subscribing to "Dave's Automotively Mechanical Humor Line".
 DaveS8@Juno.com
 On Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:14:20 -0800 "Craig Blanchette"  writes:>Using the gears is not always an option. Around my home town, we have
 great offroad areas, all hills and mountains. On most of the trips I have
 taken, flat ground can be rare. The Toyotas almost all over heated their
 brakes due to the 4 cyl not being able to hold back the truck due to the
 steep slopes.>Using the gears AND killing the brakes was the only answer.
 ------------------------------
 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 20:52:53 -0500
 From: Darren Floen  Subject: vented disk swap: better stops?
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 All the logging trucks i wrench on and drive will also experience severe
 brake fade on long down hill slopes.The trick is to gear down well below
 the top of the hill and progressivly upshift as you are going down using
 the jake-brake for controlling speed.On one of the steeper hills we will
 crest the top of the hill in 3rd gear,jake on high,10 mph.By the bottom
 you are doing 65,in 8th gear overdrive,full jake.This is without
 touching the brake pedal.Using this method ensures cool,and strong
 brakes if you really do need to slow down.I have seen drivers with smoke
 pouring out of the brake drums on minor hills.When they do need to
 stop,they can't.Of course,a loaded logging truck weighs 70000kg
 (154000lbs).But the same theroy applies.Just some info if you care.
 Darren
 Craig Blanchette wrote:>> Using the gears is not always an option. Around my home town, we have great> offroad areas, all hills and mountains. On most of the trips I have taken,> flat ground can be rare. The Toyotas almost all over heated their brakes due> to the 4 cyl not being able to hold back the truck due to the steep slopes.> Using the gears AND killing the brakes was the only answer. Might be one of> the reasons brake pads are cheap around here!!! Course having a 350 now,> theres plenty of engine to slow the truck. Only need the brakes to come to a> complete stop...>> ====> Craig Blanchette> blanchet@cnx.net> http://www.cnx.net/~blanchet> ====> -----Original Message-----> From: runars@isbank.is > To: Toy4x4@tlca.org > Date: Thursday, January 22, 1998 10:20 AM> Subject: RE: vented disk swap: better stops?>>>Hey Jay, You do know you are not suposed to drive like this....  People>>have gotten themselves killed this way.....:-((>>>>Use the gears, and stay away from the brakes....>>>>Runar>>>>> -----Original Message----->>> From: Jay Kopycinski [SMTP:ryna10@email.sps.mot.com]>>> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 1998 5:15 PM>>> To: Toy4x4@tlca.org>>> Subject: vented disk swap: better stops?>>>>>> breeze@cysource.com (Jeffrey Delzer) wrote:>>>>>>>These days people are quick to blame everything on overeating, but>>> brake>>>>upgrades?? That's stretching things a bit.>>>>>> Ok, you're coming down a long, steep hill that requires quite a bit of>>> brake to keep the truck speed down. After a while, you find yourself>>> pushing harder and harder on the brake pedal to maintain slowing....>>>>>> Why is the brake efficiency dropping during this?>>>>>> I always believed it was because of the heat rise and fluid expansion>>> in the calipers. What do you think it is?>>>>>> Jay Kopycinski     '85 Toylet  (ROKTOY)
 ------------------------------
 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 21:21:37 -0500
 From: Darren Floen  Subject: vented disk swap: better stops?
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 Dave,this doesn't always work,but most of the time it can to some
 degree.Of course adding Liquid Nails to your brake pads might work
 better.Or maybe use a bundle of discarded thermostats as an anchor tied
 to a chain to throw out the window in an emergency!
 Darren
 DAVE SCHOENBERG wrote:>> Old (still living and retired) truck-driver rule #1:  If your gears won't> hold you back, SLOW DOWN and pick a lower gear that will.>> Signed (who else),>> Dave Schoenberg, Arvada, Colorado-----Who else gives advice like this???> '81 Toy/'86 EFI engine/5-spd/xfer--an' I did it all myself, with NO> Liquid Nails!!> Brakes and heater both work exceedingly well, thank you.> Thank You for subscribing to "Dave's Automotively Mechanical Humor Line".> DaveS8@Juno.com>> On Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:14:20 -0800 "Craig Blanchette" > writes:>>Using the gears is not always an option. Around my home town, we have> great offroad areas, all hills and mountains. On most of the trips I have> taken, flat ground can be rare. The Toyotas almost all over heated their> brakes due to the 4 cyl not being able to hold back the truck due to the> steep slopes.>>Using the gears AND killing the brakes was the only answer.
 ------------------------------
 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 21:39:09 EST
 From: DRM033  Subject: vented disk swap: better stops?
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 In a message dated 98-01-22 15:14:40 EST, you write:>  The real culprit is as Runar mentioned. At higher temps the surface of the>  pads/shoes ablates. This causes a hot gas layer in between the disk and>  friction material. I also believe the coefficient of friction is lower at>  higher temps, gas layer aside.
 Is this a something drilled rotors help solve?  Sounds good to me...
 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------
 David Moore                       DRM033@aol.com
 90 Toyota Truck - 4" ProComp, 33" Swampers,
 4.88's, rear ARB, TJM bumper & Ramsey #8000
 TLCA #5662
 Traxx In Motion 4 Wheel Drive Club
 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------
 ------------------------------
 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 22:26:31 -0700
 From: daves8@juno.com (DAVE SCHOENBERG)
 Subject: vented disk swap: better stops?
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 That's how old truck drivers live to retire-- they slow down as much as
 they have to to NOT use the brakes.  20 mph still gets you there,
 eventually but alive.
 It ALWAYS works- don't you have low range?
 Dave Schoenberg, Arvada, Colorado-----Who else gives advice like this???
 '81 Toy/'86 EFI engine/5-spd/xfer--an' I did it all myself, with NO
 Liquid Nails!!
 Brakes and heater both work exceedingly well, thank you.
 Thank You for subscribing to "Dave's Automotively Mechanical Humor Line".
 DaveS8@Juno.com
 On Thu, 22 Jan 1998 21:21:37 -0500 Darren Floen
 writes:>Dave,this doesn't always work,but most of the time it can to some>degree.Of course adding Liquid Nails to your brake pads might work>better.Or maybe use a bundle of discarded thermostats as an anchor tied>to a chain to throw out the window in an emergency!>>Darren>>>DAVE SCHOENBERG wrote:>>>> Old (still living and retired) truck-driver rule #1:  If your gears
 won't hold you back, SLOW DOWN and pick a lower gear that will.
 ------------------------------
 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 01:10:15 -0800
 From: "Craig Blanchette"  Subject: vented disk swap: better stops?
 To:  I would like to know what one does when they are already in four low first,
 going down a very steep hill. Engine rpm starts to climb, pretty soon it
 starts to redline. And you still have 90% of the hill to go down on. I guess
 that I will have to use my brakes. Different terrains require different
 methods of driving. Not all situations can be a simple answer of "downshift"
 And I know that I wasn't the only toyota that has to do this around our
 area. At least half have the same problem.
 - -----Original Message-----
 From: DAVE SCHOENBERG  To: Toy4x4@tlca.org  Date: Thursday, January 22, 1998 6:26 PM
 Subject: Re: vented disk swap: better stops?>Old (still living and retired) truck-driver rule #1:  If your gears won't>hold you back, SLOW DOWN and pick a lower gear that will.>>Signed (who else),>>Dave Schoenberg, Arvada, Colorado-----Who else gives advice like this???>'81 Toy/'86 EFI engine/5-spd/xfer--an' I did it all myself, with NO>Liquid Nails!!>Brakes and heater both work exceedingly well, thank you.>Thank You for subscribing to "Dave's Automotively Mechanical Humor Line".>DaveS8@Juno.com>>On Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:14:20 -0800 "Craig Blanchette" >writes:>>Using the gears is not always an option. Around my home town, we have>great offroad areas, all hills and mountains. On most of the trips I have>taken, flat ground can be rare. The Toyotas almost all over heated their>brakes due to the 4 cyl not being able to hold back the truck due to the>steep slopes.>>Using the gears AND killing the brakes was the only answer.
 ------------------------------
 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 20:08:59 -0600
 From: John Schultz  Subject: West Coast Off-Road
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 I believe that Tony Bartlett knew somebody who was offering this kit for
 sale in Salt Lake City.   Maybe save a couple of bucks.
 John
 Gallus, Brian wrote:> Anyone have a phone number or address for West Coast Off-Road?  I want> to look into their 14" IFS kit again and can't seem to find the> information that I had anywhere!> Thanks!> bkg>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------> Brian Gallus                            87 4Runner SR5> BrianGallus@DynaMark.com                33's, 4.88's, TrueTrac> Vadnais Heights, MN                     3" Rancho, 2" body>         Minnesota Toyx4's #95 /  MN4WDA  / TLCA #5581>                 http://www.off-road.com/~MNTOYX4> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
 ------------------------------
 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:21:20 -0800
 From: "Craig Blanchette"  Subject: What engine is in an 80 SR5
 To:  Up in Western Canada, almost all older toyota's came with the four speed. Up
 here it is everyones opinion that they are stronger then the 5 speed. The
 Canadian models were more a work / bush truck then anything else. It's
 harder around here to even find a 1/2 ton 4x4 model, we all have the 3/4 4x4
 version. The only five speed trannys around here came up from the states.
 ====
 Craig Blanchette
 blanchet@cnx.net
 http://www.cnx.net/~blanchet
 ====
 - -----Original Message-----
 From: Matthew C Chapin  To: Toy4x4@tlca.org  Date: Thursday, January 22, 1998 10:51 AM
 Subject: What engine is in an 80 SR5>I found an 80 SR5 4x4 with a 20R engine from a corrolla in it.  Is this>the correct engine for the truck, it has a four speed tranny too. It>seems like it has enough power, but I thought the SR5 came w/ a 22R.  How>about the four speed, is that gonna give me any problems? The engine has>under 10k on it and the tranny has under 64k. Should this give me any>problems?  It didnt seem to be lacking any power in any gear... so what>do you guys think? By the way... the body is in A+++ condition no rust>and no dents (in Pa.), new paint, everything is stock except for 30">tires  the best part is the guy only wants $2700!!!>>  Thanks>     Matt Chapin
 ------------------------------
 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 20:40:52 -0500
 From: Darren Floen  Subject: What engine is in an 80 SR5
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 My 81 Toy also had a 20R and four speed,from Ontario,Canada
 Darren
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