Toy4x4 Digest          Tue, 20 Jan 98 12:30:02 (HST)  Volume 1 : Issue 667
 Today's Topics:
 3.4 L V6 headgasket blown (2 msgs)
 4Runner automatics
 4runner exhaust (2 msgs)
 4WPW
 Back from Death Valley
 Bad tranny
 Bio
 CB web site (2 msgs)
 HG & Free Rental Car (4 msgs)
 is this a sign of timing belt demise??? (3 msgs)
 Japan
 More on dual CB antennas (2 msgs)
 radio and speaker removal
 Speedometer adjustment (6 msgs)
 Speedometer adjustment - rebuttle to scumbag remark
 SPRING ME (2 msgs)
 Toy4x4 Digest V1 #662 (3 msgs)
 unsuscribe
 V6 Mods - Throttle Body
 Whining 3rd Gear
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 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:25:53 -0800 (PST)
 From: chou@seas.ucla.edu (Nicholas An-Kuo Chou)
 Subject: 3.4 L V6 headgasket blown
 To: toy4x4@tlca.org
 I just blown the headgasket (97 4Runner Limited 4WD) after driving
 23000 mi.  Sent it to the dealer to get it fixed.  It's going
 to take 3 days.
 The funny thing is that I asked them 3 months ago if the new 3.4 L V6
 would have the same problem as the 3.0L V6's, and they told me "No"
 Nick
 p.s. Anybody know when the supercharger is coming?
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 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 14:29:30 -0600 (CST)
 From: "Bruce Burden"  Subject: 3.4 L V6 headgasket blown
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org>>> The funny thing is that I asked them 3 months ago if the new 3.4 L V6> would have the same problem as the 3.0L V6's, and they told me "No"> Hey, they told you the truth! The 3.0L would never have
 blown this early :-)
 Bruce
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 Bruce Burden            bruceb@isd.tandem.com         Tandem Computers Inc.
 512-432-8944            Network Verification          14231 Tandem Blvd.
 Auto answer(4 rings)                                  Austin, TX 78726
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 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:16:50 -1000 (HST)
 From: Eric Johnson  Subject: 4Runner automatics
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 On Mon, 19 Jan 1998, marc sahr wrote:> What's the general consenus regarding automatics in the older 4Runners? Are> they as bulletproof as the 5-speeds? I'm looking for a solid-axle SR5 that> my wife can use. The main use would be daily driver/family car with some> "family" 4-wheeling (no radical hard-core stuff).>> Any opinions or experience with this setup?
 We've hashed the pros and cons out in this forum a few times - check the
 archives. In short, the auto is great, though it does eat a few horses
 from an already under-powered rig. Its the same tranny they use in Jeep
 Cherokees I believe. I'm pleased with mine - 155K so far, no problems at
 all.
 ej@off-road.com
 http://www.off-road.com/~ej
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 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:56:32 -0500
 From: Morgan Younger  Subject: 4runner exhaust
 To: toy4x4@tlca.org
 I own a 1989 Toyota 4runner and would like to put
 on a cat-back exhaust system.  I am thinking about a Dynomax system or a
 Borla system.  The Borla system is a bit out of my price range.  Which
 systems work best on this vehicle and are any of the other systems better?
 What other systems are available for this vehicle and which ones work
 better? Why?
 ------------------------------
 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:16:36 -0600
 From: "Michael Rowe"  Subject: 4runner exhaust
 To:  I just ripped the tail pipe off of my '88 V6 4Runner this past Sunday while
 playing in a sand pit down by the river (next to the man living in his van).
 Actually what happened was the outlet pipe from the rear of the muffler came
 out. Seems it was rather small too. That contributed to the ffffffffft sound
 when accellerating. I may just reweld it but I'm thinking about a new
 muffler if the price is right and rewelding isn't practical. So all you
 folks who've figured out the best muffler, let us know. Dynomax seems to be
 winning the bang for the buck war. Any reason to install a stainless Borla
 besides it's longevity?
 Michael Rowe
 http://www.southpadre.com/offroad.htm
 - -----Original Message-----> I own a 1989 Toyota 4runner and would like to put>on a cat-back exhaust system.  I am thinking about a Dynomax system or a>Borla system.  The Borla system is a bit out of my price range.  Which>systems work best on this vehicle and are any of the other systems better?>What other systems are available for this vehicle and which ones work>better? Why?>> ------------------------------
 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 06:58:39 -0800
 From: "Don M. West"  Subject: 4WPW
 To: Toyota 4x4 mailing list  With all this talk about 4 Wheel Parts, I'll add this....
 Maybe I'm better off having a major store of theirs right near by...I
 haven't had much trouble, and the guys are pretty friendly to deal with.
 When I got my low profile bump stops, though I ended up going back 3 times.
 They had one pair in stock, but I needed  two more. They ordered them and
 the next time I was in they didn't know where the order was, but had one
 more pair on the shelf. I got those, and when I came back next time they
 had found my original order buried under a bunch of stuff, so I finally got
 the last set. No big deal, but 3 trips for such little parts was crazy. Oh,
 and I also rescheduled (3 or 4 times) a CB antenna modification they were
 going to do for me...guys were sick, they were too busy, etc etc....finally
 rather than a verbal "just bring it in tomorrow" I had them pit me on the
 schedule and we got it done. Again, this was basically a little job, and I
 suppose they were more tied up doing major mods for guys.
 As for guys who've ordered stuff and been charged while it's backorded, I
 think they should change that policy. I've dealt with companies
 (non-wheelin' stuff) that don't charge till they ship!!
 Meanwhile,
 Terry Johnson will provide the official write up, but let me say the recent
 trip to Death Valley was awesome! For a newbie like myself, I held my own
 in Surprise Canyon (with a little spotting...thanks, guys!), and the rest
 of the trails we hit were no problem. Having lunch at Barker Ranch, where
 Charles Manson was captured, was cool....
 Don
 ------------------------------
 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:26:54 +0000
 From: Henry Brimmer  Subject: Back from Death Valley
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 so you guys had a blast! i'm sorry i couldn't make it...
 and am hoping you will send me a bunch of prints and a story: don't
 forget to get doubles!
 henry brimmer
 tlca 5084
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 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:48:19 -0800
 From: Chris Geiger  Subject: Bad tranny
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 It's not the timing belt, when it goes the engine will shutoff, or if it
 slips the engine will run bad until it's fixed. It sould like you have a
 tranny problem, take it to a shop and have them drop the pan, change the
 filter and fluid.
 Chris Geiger 93 4Runner http://geiger.mcl.ucsb.edu/offroad.html
 Leo G. Divinagracia III wrote:> while cruising at a stable speed, the RPM would jump about 200-300> for a couple seconds then drop back down to 'normal'.  then once in a> while, it would jump an extra 1000, then hunt around to normal and> back up 1000 to 500 to 1000 and then back to normal.
 ------------------------------
 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 07:57:44 -0500
 From: "Mark W. Hendricks"  Subject: Bio
 To: "'Toy4x4'"  Name:  Mark Hendricks
 City & State:  York, PA
 Country:  US
 E-mail address: mhendricks@jlsouser.com
 Toyota (s) year & model: 97 4Runner SR5 5spd
 Are you a TLCA Member (Y/N/Number?): Not yet
 Age:  25
 Occupation:  Engineer
 Marital Status:  Soon
 Hobbies:  boring stuff you wouldn't want to hear about
 How did you find out about the Toyota 4x4 Mailing List:  website link
 General info about your vehicle, self, etc.:  Love my 4 Runner but
 really miss my Supra [twin] Turbo.  Joined this to find out about
 possible performance upgrades for my truck.  Such as possible exhaust
 mods, air intakes, etc.  Don't want to void my warranty, though.>-----Original Message----->From:	Toy4x4-Request [SMTP:toy4x4-request@tlca.org]>Sent:	Monday, January 19, 1998 3:19 PM>To:	Mark W. Hendricks>Subject:	Bio>>Personal Bio Info>>POST TO THE LIST ONLY>> toy4x4@tlca.org>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++>>Name:>>City & State:>>Country:>>E-mail address:>>Toyota (s) year & model:>>Are you a TLCA Member (Y/N/Number?):>>Age:>>Occupation:>>Marital Status:>>Hobbies:>>How did you find out about the Toyota 4x4 Mailing List:>>General info about your vehicle, self, etc.:> ------------------------------
 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:41:32 EST
 From: DRM033  Subject: CB web site
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 For anyone who is interested in CB stuff, you may want to look at
 www.copper.com
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 David Moore                       DRM033@aol.com
 90 Toyota Truck - 4" ProComp, 33" Swampers,
 4.88's, rear ARB, TJM bumper & Ramsey #8000
 TLCA #5662
 Traxx In Motion 4 Wheel Drive Club
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 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:13:44 -0600
 From: John Schultz  Subject: CB web site
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 Or if you prefer a business that will deal with you fairly, check out:
 http://www.bills2way.com/
 or
 http://www.coaxkid.com/
 Some opinions would rate Copper as the NWOR of radio.  I have dealt with
 them on more than one occasion and have found their shipping charges to
 far exceed any supposed savings on the radios.  I have dealt many times
 with Bill's Two-Way.  He is highly recommended by me.
 John
 DRM033 wrote:> For anyone who is interested in CB stuff, you may want to look at>> www.copper.com>> ------------------------------
 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:44:20 -0500 (EST)
 From: Cartman  Subject: HG & Free Rental Car
 To: Toyota4x4Digest  I have a question to all that have had their Headgasket's replaced and
 were supplied with a free rental car.
 Did you have a problem with the amount of money Toyota would pay per day
 for a rent-a-car?  I had a car for 10 days and the bill came to $330.05.
 Toyota would only pay $285.46...  Supposedly, there's a cap on
 rent-a-car's or something.
 I talked to the dealership that did mine and they said that Toyota put a
 cap on how much they would pay per day.  So after many calls to the
 dealership, I got sick of talking to them and went ahead and called
 Customer Service in CA.  They said that Toyota doesn't provide rentals at
 all and must have footed the bill partly because of the HG.
 Something I'm failing to understand is... the dealership never said
 anything about a cap on the rent-a-car but said they would pay for it, and
 then Toyota (USA) says that they don't even reimburse for rental cars -
 ???
 Somebody please make some sense outta this.... I already spent like $900+
 on the truck when it was in the shop getting the HG replaced for free, and
 this extra $45 isn't just pocket change, ya know?
 It's more of the principle of the thing.  First they tell me they'll pay
 for it, then they tell me they can't reimburse me for all of it, and then
 Toyota (USA) tells me that they don't even provide rental cars?  Are
 private dealerships just screwing Toyota (USA) or something?
 - --
 Doug Berger
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 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 13:49:52 -0800
 From: Scott Wilson  Subject: HG & Free Rental Car
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 Cartman wrote:>> It's more of the principle of the thing.  First they tell me they'll pay> for it, then they tell me they can't reimburse me for all of it, and then> Toyota (USA) tells me that they don't even provide rental cars?  Are> private dealerships just screwing Toyota (USA) or something?
 If they never said you'd have to pay any of the rental car UP
 FRONT...you are not responsible for it.  Stick it to them.   They can't
 pull this 'after the fact' stuff.   Did you sign anything that
 specifically said you'd pay $XX per day for the rental car or did they
 just give it to you saying that they'd be taking care of it?
 Scott
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 | _     _ :     88 4Runner SR5 V6
 */_\---/_\'     Santa Clara, CA
 (_)   (_)      http://www.off-road.com/~swilson
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 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:55:09 -0500
 From: Dave Stracher  Subject: HG & Free Rental Car
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 I had the HG work done before the "extended" warranty notice was mailed. I
 submitted all receipts to Toyota Customer Service in CA. and a check for
 the full amount was sent to me, including towing and rental car. Toyota
 also paid for a rental car when the block was subsequently replaced due to
 the blown HG (and the idiots at Lynch Toyota in CT.) So they definitely
 paid twice in my case. I don't remember the amounts, but the first rental
 was for ~2-3 weeks (minimally)
 Dave Stracher
 djstracher@bbn.com
 At 04:44 PM 1/20/98 -0500, you wrote:>I have a question to all that have had their Headgasket's replaced and>were supplied with a free rental car.>>Did you have a problem with the amount of money Toyota would pay per day>for a rent-a-car?  I had a car for 10 days and the bill came to $330.05.>Toyota would only pay $285.46...  Supposedly, there's a cap on>rent-a-car's or something.>>I talked to the dealership that did mine and they said that Toyota put a>cap on how much they would pay per day.  So after many calls to the>dealership, I got sick of talking to them and went ahead and called>Customer Service in CA.  They said that Toyota doesn't provide rentals at>all and must have footed the bill partly because of the HG.>>Something I'm failing to understand is... the dealership never said>anything about a cap on the rent-a-car but said they would pay for it, and>then Toyota (USA) says that they don't even reimburse for rental cars ->???>>Somebody please make some sense outta this.... I already spent like $900+>on the truck when it was in the shop getting the HG replaced for free, and>this extra $45 isn't just pocket change, ya know?>>It's more of the principle of the thing.  First they tell me they'll pay>for it, then they tell me they can't reimburse me for all of it, and then>Toyota (USA) tells me that they don't even provide rental cars?  Are>private dealerships just screwing Toyota (USA) or something?>>-->Doug Berger>> ------------------------------
 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 17:02:49 -0500 (EST)
 From: Cartman  Subject: HG & Free Rental Car
 To: Toyota4x4Digest > I had the HG work done before the "extended" warranty notice was mailed. I> submitted all receipts to Toyota Customer Service in CA. and a check for> the full amount was sent to me, including towing and rental car. Toyota> also paid for a rental car when the block was subsequently replaced due to> the blown HG (and the idiots at Lynch Toyota in CT.) So they definitely> paid twice in my case. I don't remember the amounts, but the first rental> was for ~2-3 weeks (minimally)
 I talked to Customer Service in CA and they said they don't pay for rental
 cars.  I keep telling these people (dealership & Customer Service) that I
 know of lots of people who have been completely reimbursed for all
 services... PLUS more.  Of course none of those claims helpe me because
 they always tell me that it's a case by case basis.  I had my truck towed
 free because I have AAA. Toyota didn't even have to pay for that.
 Any suggestions?  How did you talk Customer Service into paying for your
 rental car?  They keep saying that they don't pay for 'em... or that
 they'll pay like $25 a day... which is a contradiction anyway.
 I think that's B.S. if one person can just send in receipts and get
 reimbursed... when I have to go through all this crap.  No offense
 to you ... just to Toyota.
 - --
 Doug Berger
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 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:48:27 -0500
 From: Darren Floen  Subject: is this a sign of timing belt demise???
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 Leo,this sounds more like a tacometer problem to me.You say this happens
 driving down the road?The rpm's cannot rise that much,even with an auto
 tranny,without spinning the tires.Is your tranny slipping?I would look
 into a loose ground,or maybe a loose wire somewhere.Maybe i'm
 overlooking something?
 Darren
 Leo G. Divinagracia III wrote:>> for the past two weeks or so, i've been having this problem.  first i> thought it was cruise control problems but even with the CC off, i> still experience it.>> while cruising at a stable speed, the RPM would jump about 200-300> for a couple seconds then drop back down to 'normal'.  then once in a> while, it would jump an extra 1000, then hunt around to normal and> back up 1000 to 500 to 1000 and then back to normal.>> so it's something like this: cruising around 2100, then jump to 2500> for a couple seconds, then back to 2100 rpm.  then while at around> 2100, it would jump to 3100, stay here for about a second, drop down> to 2500, back to 3100, then back to 2100.  this drove me nuts when i> had to drive to vegas for about 1000 miles round trip...>> btw, it's a 90 4runner with 101k.  it's a v6 and auto tranny.  had a> tune up recently and had the cap and rotor changed.  around 42k, my> timing belt was changed due to a procedure that was a warranty job.> so, the current belt is around the 'magic' point where it needs to> be changed.  has anyone experienced this?>> -----------------------> Leo G. Divinagracia III> ldivinag@csuhayward.edu
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 Date: 20 Jan 1998 09:56:11 -0800
 From: Robert Elsemore  Subject: is this a sign of timing belt demise???
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org (Return requested),
 Leo wrote:>while cruising at a stable speed, the RPM would jump about 200-300>for a couple seconds then drop back down to 'normal'.  then once in a>while, it would jump an extra 1000, then hunt around to normal and>back up 1000 to 500 to 1000 and then back to normal.
 Leo,
 My guess is that your auto tranny is going in and out of torque
 converter lock-up; another term for it is overdrive. I'm not sure
 what exactly would cause that, possibly a tranny kick-down cable
 out of adjustment, a throttle position sensor going wacko and
 fooling the transmission?  It sounds like a question for our
 Toyota tech guru, Jim Brink.... Jim?
 ------------------------------
 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:22:49 -0800
 From: Kenneth Fong  Subject: is this a sign of timing belt demise???
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org, ldivinag@barney.sbe.csuhayward.edu
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 Doesn't sound like the timing belt to me.  If the belt jumps a tooth or more, you would definately know it.
 Sounds more like the torque converter locking and unlocking abnormally.  Could be a sign that the tranny may go out.> ------------------------------>> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 00:32:42 -8 GMT> From: "Leo G. Divinagracia III" > Subject: is this a sign of timing belt demise???> To: Toy4x4@tlca.org, toyota@btoy1.rochester.ny.us>> for the past two weeks or so, i've been having this problem.  first i> thought it was cruise control problems but even with the CC off, i> still experience it.>> while cruising at a stable speed, the RPM would jump about 200-300> for a couple seconds then drop back down to 'normal'.  then once in a> while, it would jump an extra 1000, then hunt around to normal and> back up 1000 to 500 to 1000 and then back to normal.>> so it's something like this: cruising around 2100, then jump to 2500> for a couple seconds, then back to 2100 rpm.  then while at around> 2100, it would jump to 3100, stay here for about a second, drop down> to 2500, back to 3100, then back to 2100.  this drove me nuts when i> had to drive to vegas for about 1000 miles round trip...>> btw, it's a 90 4runner with 101k.  it's a v6 and auto tranny.  had a> tune up recently and had the cap and rotor changed.  around 42k, my> timing belt was changed due to a procedure that was a warranty job.> so, the current belt is around the 'magic' point where it needs to> be changed.  has anyone experienced this?
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 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:38:56 -0600
 From: John Vargas  Subject: Japan
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 Larry,
 I'll be going to Tokyo for 2 weeks in about week and half.
 I'll do what i can to help, let me know.
 John A. Vargus
 At 11:39 PM 1/19/98 -0600, you wrote:>Is there anyone on this list that is in Japan? or knows someone who is and>could have them contact me? I need some things for my Hilux and any help>would be appreciated.>>Thanks,>Larry D Walls    Austin TX,>1980 Hilux 4x4, rhdrive,231,4spd,4.11's,3"suspension,2"body>1988 4x4,22re, 5spd mostly stock with winch>>>> ------------------------------
 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:24:09 -0500
 From: John.Palmer@astramerck.com
 Subject: More on dual CB antennas
 To: toy4x4@tlca.org
 Regarding the conversation about dual antennas.  I am in the process of replacing my Radio Shack antenna with a "real" antenna.
 I went to the Firestik site (http://www.firestick.com) to see what they have to offer.  I found this in their tech docs area.
 HIH - particularly #32
 |From "Things Every CB'er Should Know"  copyright Firestik Antenna Company - used without permission.
 30.If you are installing a single antenna on one side or the other of your vehicle, best on-the-road performance will be
 realized if the antenna is on the passenger side of the vehicle.
 31.Co-phased (dual) antenna installations create a radiation pattern that favors communication directly in front and back of
 the vehicle. This is why co-phase systems are popular with people who do a lot of highway driving. Co-phase antennas must be
 center or top loaded. Top loaded antennas are the best.
 32.Some people believe that co-phased antennas must be separated by a minimum of nine (9) feet. We have successfully used
 co-phase antenna systems with spacing as little as four (4) feet. Space alters the pattern and not always negatively. Each
 vehicle will be different.
 ******  My comment ******
 Without installing and testing, how does one know that it will work on 'positively' for their setup?
 33.Co-phase antennas can improve performance on vehicles that lack good ground plane characteristics (fiberglass motorhomes,
 trucks, etc.). Instead of using available metal to reflect the radiated energy, the antennas use each others field.
 34.When tuning co-phased antennas (dual), it is best to adjust both antennas an equal amount to maintain equality in their
 individual resonant frequency.
 35.On a co-phase system, if you try to tune each antenna independently using RG-58 type coax and then connect them to the
 co-phasing harness, you will almost always find that they will appear electrically short as a set. We recommend that you first
 assemble the entire system. Take all measurements and make all adjustments with both antennas in place.
 John Palmer
 '90 4Runner 22RE
 ------------------------------
 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:21:58 -0600
 From: John Schultz  Subject: More on dual CB antennas
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 The recommendation to co-phase will sell twice as many antennas:)  I always take fire-sticks advice with a minimum of 10 lbs. of
 salt because they also recommend 18 feet of coax for any installation.  This is in technical RF Engineering terms "Malarkey".
 Wilson makes "real" antennas.  The Wilson "Silver Load" is an excellent alternative to the fire-stick.
 John
 John.Palmer@astramerck.com wrote:> Regarding the conversation about dual antennas.  I am in the process of replacing my Radio Shack antenna with a "real" antenna.> I went to the Firestik site (http://www.firestick.com) to see what they have to offer.  I found this in their tech docs area.> HIH - particularly #32>> |From "Things Every CB'er Should Know"  copyright Firestik Antenna Company - used without permission.>>   30.If you are installing a single antenna on one side or the other of your vehicle, best on-the-road performance will be> realized if the antenna is on the passenger side of the vehicle.>   31.Co-phased (dual) antenna installations create a radiation pattern that favors communication directly in front and back of> the vehicle. This is why co-phase systems are popular with people who do a lot of highway driving. Co-phase antennas must be> center or top loaded. Top loaded antennas are the best.>   32.Some people believe that co-phased antennas must be separated by a minimum of nine (9) feet. We have successfully used> co-phase antenna systems with spacing as little as four (4) feet. Space alters the pattern and not always negatively. Each> vehicle will be different.> ******  My comment ******> Without installing and testing, how does one know that it will work on 'positively' for their setup?>   33.Co-phase antennas can improve performance on vehicles that lack good ground plane characteristics (fiberglass motorhomes,> trucks, etc.). Instead of using available metal to reflect the radiated energy, the antennas use each others field.>   34.When tuning co-phased antennas (dual), it is best to adjust both antennas an equal amount to maintain equality in their> individual resonant frequency.>   35.On a co-phase system, if you try to tune each antenna independently using RG-58 type coax and then connect them to the> co-phasing harness, you will almost always find that they will appear electrically short as a set. We recommend that you first> assemble the entire system. Take all measurements and make all adjustments with both antennas in place.>> John Palmer> '90 4Runner 22RE
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 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:34:15 -0500
 From: zeus!mike@uunet.uu.net (Mike McLaughlin)
 Subject: radio and speaker removal
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 I have a 97 T100 xtra-cab. I'm going to replace the radio and
 all 4 speakers. If anyone has done this, I'd appreciate a few
 pointers on what I have to dismantle to get at the radio and the
 speakers. Even if you did it on a Tacoma, I'd like to know any
 of any shortcuts or pitfalls.
 Thanks, Mike McL
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 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 98 10:21:41 -0600
 From: bwiencek@kcnet.com
 Subject: Speedometer adjustment
 To: toy4x4@tlca.org
 OK, this might sound like a dumb question to some of you, but I just swapped
 a SR-5 insturment cluster (tach, oil press, etc) into my '85 4Runner with the
 standard speedo only guage.  My truck had 209xxx miles on it and the new
 cluster shows 148xxx miles.  I need to adjust this mileage to reflect the
 true mileage of the truck.  How can I do it?  I know I can hook a drill up to
 the speedometer and spin it at 85mph (max on the speedo) for 50K miles (That
 would take 588 hours!) , but I'd rather disassembe the odo, and set the
 mileage.  The trouble I'm having is that it looks like the speedometer needle
 has to come off to get to the odometer gears.  How does the needle come
 off???
 Anyone???
 - - Brian
 ------------------------------
 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:38:33 EST
 From: DRM033  Subject: Speedometer adjustment
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 In a message dated 98-01-20 11:27:15 EST, you write:>>  OK, this might sound like a dumb question to some of you, but I just
 swapped>  a SR-5 insturment cluster (tach, oil press, etc) into my '85 4Runner with> the standard speedo only guage.  My truck had 209xxx miles on it and the new>  cluster shows 148xxx miles.
 I can't help with the fix, but I have a related story.  We just did the same
 swap with the SR5 guages from an 87 truck into an 84 truck.  It just happended
 that both trucks were at 125xxx miles, within 800 miles of each other.
 Anyway, the connections were a little different but the swap went fairly easy.
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 David Moore                       DRM033@aol.com
 90 Toyota Truck - 4" ProComp, 33" Swampers,
 4.88's, rear ARB, TJM bumper & Ramsey #8000
 TLCA #5662
 Traxx In Motion 4 Wheel Drive Club
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 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 17:13:33 -0000
 From: runars@isbank.is
 Subject: Speedometer adjustment
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 Why in the hell do you wanna do that?
 Why just not learn to live with a 148K miles?
 Runar> -----Original Message-----> From:	bwiencek@kcnet.com [SMTP:bwiencek@kcnet.com]> Sent:	Tuesday, January 20, 1998 4:22 PM> To:	Toy4x4@tlca.org> Subject:	Speedometer adjustment>> OK, this might sound like a dumb question to some of you, but I just> swapped> a SR-5 insturment cluster (tach, oil press, etc) into my '85 4Runner> with the> standard speedo only guage.  My truck had 209xxx miles on it and the> new> cluster shows 148xxx miles.  I need to adjust this mileage to reflect> the> true mileage of the truck.  How can I do it?  I know I can hook a> drill up to> the speedometer and spin it at 85mph (max on the speedo) for 50K miles> (That> would take 588 hours!) , but I'd rather disassembe the odo, and set> the> mileage.  The trouble I'm having is that it looks like the speedometer> needle> has to come off to get to the odometer gears.  How does the needle> come> off???>> Anyone???>> - Brian
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 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:23:27 -0500 (EST)
 From: "Dr. Karl Bellve"  Subject: Speedometer adjustment
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 On Tue, 20 Jan 1998 runars@isbank.is wrote:> Why in the hell do you wanna do that?>> Why just not learn to live with a 148K miles?>> Runar> He should correct it. If he doesn't, he just has to notify the next buyer
 of that vehicle (and the Motor Vehicle Administration) that the odometer
 doesn't show the true milege (required by law).
 It would be nice to see the true milege, besides the law, to make it
 easier to schedule maintenance and see how far he can drive it before the
 engine goes. :-)
 Cheers,
 Karl Bellve, Ph.D.
 Biomedical Imaging Group
 University of Massachusetts
 WWW  : http://molmed.ummed.edu/~kdb/
 Email: kdb@molmed.ummed.edu
 Phone: (508) 856-3785
 Fax  : (508) 856-1840
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 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 98 12:14:56 -0600
 From: bwiencek@kcnet.com
 Subject: Speedometer adjustment
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 On Tue, 20 Jan 1998, runars@isbank.is wrote:>Why in the hell do you wanna do that?>Why just not learn to live with a 148K miles?>> OK, this might sound like a dumb question to some of you, but I just
<>>> standard speedo only guage.  My truck had 209xxx miles on it and the>> cluster shows 148xxx miles.  I need to adjust this mileage to reflect
 SEE - I told everyone it would be a dumb question that would get some
 responses like this, but all the maintenance records for the truck show the
 mileage that the PO did stuff, and my records note the mileage - it's really
 not that bad, but the truck looks and runs fantastic for 209k - most people
 can't believe it runs as good as it does with no oil burning or leaking!  My
 parents couldn't believe that I'd drive it to chicago from KC with 209K on it
 (i.e. the it's not reliable after 120K mindset!).  IF it's hard to do or
 requires replacement of the needle, then it will stay 51,003 miles off, and
 I'll just have to add that factor in when figuring mileage. (I know it's more
 than that, since the orig owner put 31's on sometime around the 100k mark, so
 it could be 10% off for the last 100k or so.
 - - Brian
 ------------------------------
 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 13:15:34 -0500
 From: "NUNES, ROB"  Subject: Speedometer adjustment
 To: "'Toy4x4@tlca.org'"  Maybe he is trying to go from 209k down to 148k.
 He just doesn't want to sound like a scum-bag for rolling the speedo
 back.> ----------> From: 	runars@isbank.is[SMTP:runars@isbank.is]> Reply To: 	Toy4x4@tlca.org> Sent: 	Tuesday, January 20, 1998 12:13 PM> To: 	Toy4x4@tlca.org> Subject: 	RE: Speedometer adjustment>> Why in the hell do you wanna do that?>> Why just not learn to live with a 148K miles?>> Runar>>>> OK, this might sound like a dumb question to some of you, but I just>> swapped>> a SR-5 insturment cluster (tach, oil press, etc) into my '85 4Runner>> with the>> standard speedo only guage.  My truck had 209xxx miles on it and the>> new>> cluster shows 148xxx miles.  I need to adjust this mileage to> reflect>> the>> true mileage of the truck.  How can I do it?  I know I can hook a>> drill up to>> the speedometer and spin it at 85mph (max on the speedo) for 50K> miles>> (That>> would take 588 hours!) , but I'd rather disassembe the odo, and set>> the>> mileage.  The trouble I'm having is that it looks like the> speedometer>> needle>> has to come off to get to the odometer gears.  How does the needle>> come>> off???>>>> Anyone???>>>> - Brian> ------------------------------
 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 98 15:31:53 -0600
 From: bwiencek@kcnet.com
 Subject: Speedometer adjustment - rebuttle to scumbag remark
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 On Tue, 20 Jan 1998, "NUNES, ROB"  wrote:>Maybe he is trying to go from 209k down to 148k.>He just doesn't want to sound like a scum-bag for rolling the speedo>back.
 Well, after reading this, I had to calm down before I composed my reply to
 this....
 I take that response personally since I'm the one that was asking the
 question. If I were you, I wouldn't jump to conclusions before you know the
 facts.
 I knew that I'd get someone making comments like this.  If I wanted to roll
 my speedo back, there's a dozen ways to do it and there are probably some
 unscrupulous (sp?) shops that would gladly do it for some $$$  also I
 could have simply bought a cluster with less mileage (easy to get since it's
 really got 209K, and the highest mileage one the junk yard had was 148k -
 they also had one that had 107k - could have got that if I was worried about
 mileage).  I surely wouldn't be asking on the net for advice on how to do it!
 It's Illegal and I'd never want to have anything like that come back on me
 - - it's not worth it (jail time and all).  I've known people that have rolled
 theirs back, or have disconnected their speedometer for years while racking
 up 100K or so miles on a car while keeping it under 20K for warranty
 purposes, then sold it as a low mileage car - It's basically stealing from
 someone that pays good money for the 'low-mileage' car, and the car
 manufacturers that pay for warranty repairs.  I have also know people that
 had purchased cars only to have me take one look at it and have them find out
 that they had over 100K MORE than the odometer stated.  With a few calls to
 pull some records, and a call to the owner I helped get their money back, and
 am dam proud of it.
 My wife and I drive about 25K miles/year, and our 2.5 yr old avalon
 has 62K on it already - I could have disconnected the speedometer, but I
 intend to drive it until it's not worth a whole lot (10 years/300K miles) and
 I know how it's been taken care of - I have all the records, and I look for
 the same when buying a used car wether it's 20K miles or 200K miles.
 I want the mileage to match the maintenance records so there is no
 question *IF* I ever want to sell the 4 Runner - and that's a mighty big IF,
 since I just bought it a couple of months ago, sank almost $2500 into mods in
 the last 3 months, and I'm selling my only other 4x4.  Te origional owner
 took exceptionally good care of it and I also intend to do the same.  I have
 all the origional paperwork from the purchase, the warrany slips, the
 manuals, etc...  I've been told to just leave it, which I might do if no one
 wil give me a straight answer, but if I decide to sell I'll have to disclose
 that it's got the NON-origional mileage - then what is someone to think -
 they might think it has 300K or that I'm lying about other things since the
 mileage is off....  I invite anyone that cares to come out and look at both
 the insturment clusers, and you'll see what I want to do is actually what the
 law intends that you do when replacing speedometers.  If someone does truely
 know how to get the needle off, tehn they can e-mail me direct if they're
 worried about others rolling the speedometer back.
 So now who is the scum-bag that jumps to conclusions?
 - - Brian>>> ---------->> From: 	runars@isbank.is[SMTP:runars@isbank.is]>> Reply To: 	Toy4x4@tlca.org>> Sent: 	Tuesday, January 20, 1998 12:13 PM>> To: 	Toy4x4@tlca.org>> Subject: 	RE: Speedometer adjustment>>>> Why in the hell do you wanna do that?>>>> Why just not learn to live with a 148K miles?>>>> Runar>>>>>> OK, this might sound like a dumb question to some of you, but I just>>> swapped>>> a SR-5 insturment cluster (tach, oil press, etc) into my '85 4Runner>>> with the>>> standard speedo only guage.  My truck had 209xxx miles on it and the>>> new>>> cluster shows 148xxx miles.  I need to adjust this mileage to>> reflect>>> the>>> true mileage of the truck.  How can I do it?  I know I can hook a>>> drill up to>>> the speedometer and spin it at 85mph (max on the speedo) for 50K>> miles>>> (That>>> would take 588 hours!) , but I'd rather disassembe the odo, and set>>> the>>> mileage.  The trouble I'm having is that it looks like the>> speedometer>>> needle>>> has to come off to get to the odometer gears.  How does the needle>>> come>>> off???>>>>>> Anyone???>>>>>> - Brian>>>> ------------------------------
 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:45:47 -0800 (PST)
 From: michael carroll  Subject: SPRING ME
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 Hi to All,
 Here is the current dilema for the 85 4runner.
 I have Alcan springs with 1 inch lift in front (after reading I should
 have gone to 2 or 3) anyway
 the rear is now sagging as a result of the front lift.
 my question has to do with the vehicle height
 Currently the front fenders are riding a height of 3 feet and the back
 is running at 2'9" (3 inch diff)
 i do know that the back is cut lower but what would be the correct
 lift of the new spring to get the vehicle height right ?
 I really don't want to spend the 300 again on alcan !!
 downey has the 3" spring but do I need that much height ?
 Any other good spring manufacturers ?
 Will the spring settle to a lower ride height once ridden on ?
 thanx for the help
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 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:59:48 -1000 (HST)
 From: Eric Johnson  Subject: SPRING ME
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 On Tue, 20 Jan 1998, michael carroll wrote:> Hi to All,> Here is the current dilema for the 85 4runner.> I have Alcan springs with 1 inch lift in front (after reading I should> have gone to 2 or 3) anyway> the rear is now sagging as a result of the front lift.> my question has to do with the vehicle height> Currently the front fenders are riding a height of 3 feet and the back> is running at 2'9" (3 inch diff)> i do know that the back is cut lower but what would be the correct> lift of the new spring to get the vehicle height right ?
 Jack up the rear with your hi-lift until it looks right, then subtract the
 non-jacked height from the jacked-up height and that is the amount of
 lift.> I really don't want to spend the 300 again on alcan !!
 How about $40 for a set of blocks or shackles?
 ------------------------------
 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:06:30 -8 GMT
 From: "Leo G. Divinagracia III"  Subject: Toy4x4 Digest V1 #662
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org> From: Jerald Josephs  [a lot of snippage...]> I lost his phone number and gave up on my dream, he called me. That> was the day after I realized I lost his number!  I sold my stock and> bought the truck.  It is straight and clean. Never been wheeled.  The
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^> 22R has been rebuilt, but the valves sound a little loose.  New exhaust> and no interior panels or carpet.  Makes hosing it out a breeze!   Oh> yeah, it has a full-length roll cage.>       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 anyone see anything wrong with this?  never been wheeled, but has a
 full cage?!?  too bad the previous owner wasn't an old lady from
 pasadena...  8-))
 - -----------------------
 Leo G. Divinagracia III
 ldivinag@csuhayward.edu
 ------------------------------
 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:13:21 -0500
 From: Darren Floen  Subject: Toy4x4 Digest V1 #662
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 I personally always fab a full NHRA certified cage in every Grocery
 getter i drive.Also i modify the suspension for at least 12" of travel
 for those parking lot speed bumps! :-)
 Darren
 Leo G. Divinagracia III wrote:>>> From: Jerald Josephs >> [a lot of snippage...]>> I lost his phone number and gave up on my dream, he called me. That>> was the day after I realized I lost his number!  I sold my stock and>> bought the truck.  It is straight and clean. Never been wheeled.  The>                                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^>> 22R has been rebuilt, but the valves sound a little loose.  New exhaust>> and no interior panels or carpet.  Makes hosing it out a breeze!   Oh>> yeah, it has a full-length roll cage.>>       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^>> anyone see anything wrong with this?  never been wheeled, but has a> full cage?!?  too bad the previous owner wasn't an old lady from> pasadena...  8-))>>>> -----------------------> Leo G. Divinagracia III> ldivinag@csuhayward.edu
 ------------------------------
 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 98 15:25:40 -0600
 From: bwiencek@kcnet.com
 Subject: Toy4x4 Digest V1 #662
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org>[a lot of snippage...]>> was the day after I realized I lost his number!  I sold my stock and>> bought the truck.  It is straight and clean. Never been wheeled.  The>                                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^>> yeah, it has a full-length roll cage.>>       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^>anyone see anything wrong with this?  never been wheeled, but has a>full cage?!?  too bad the previous owner wasn't an old lady from>pasadena...  8-))
 Probably ment never been ROLLED
 - - Brian
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 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:23:58 -0800
 From: Marissa and Ian  Subject: unsuscribe
 To: toy4x4@tlca.org
 please remove me from the mailing list
 ------------------------------
 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:10:57 -0500
 From: Ed.Wong@astramerck.com
 Subject: V6 Mods - Throttle Body
 To: cmoyers%mickey.cti-pet.com@cti-pet.com>>>> W.r.t. bored throttle bodies, does anyone have an address of RC
 Engineering in Ca?  Or was this a typo, to really mean LC Engineering?
 There was a reference to Performance Products sending the "core"s to "RC Engineering.
<<< Subject: Whining 3rd Gear
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 I drove a 95 v6 4runner Sunday and it had a very noticable high-pitched
 whining only in 3rd gear under no load.  You would hear it as soon as
 you shifted in with the clutch in (no load) and any time you weren't
 pulling or holding back.  As soon as you loaded it, the noise went away.
 Only 3rd gear!  Any ideas?  Is this a potentially terminal condition?
 The vehicle had 65k miles.
 Clif
 - --
 Clif Moyers
 (cmoyers@mickey.cti-pet.com)
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