Toy4x4 Digest          Tue, 20 Jan 98 00:30:02 (HST)  Volume 1 : Issue 666
 Today's Topics:
 14" travel IFS suspension for sale
 3.0 V6 Headers (2 msgs)
 4Runner automatics
 Back from Death Valley
 Bio (3 msgs)
 Dynomax muffler (2 msgs)
 Four wheelin near LA?
 is this a sign of timing belt demise???
 Japan
                        K&N filters
 More Moab stuff... (2 msgs)
 New Jersey emissions (2 msgs)
 Tire Deflators
 Toy4x4 Digest V1 #664
 turn signals (2 msgs)
 V6 Mods - Throttle Body
 WHY??? Easter Safari in Moab??? (2 msgs)
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 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 20:55:41 -0700
 From: Tony Bartlett  Subject: 14" travel IFS suspension for sale
 To: Toy4x4  A friend of mine has a 14" travel IFS suspension for sale, includes
 everything from the 26mm (i think) torsion bars, Porshe CV joints, rear
 suspension, and everything else that deals with the suspension.
 He is selling it because he is getting more into rock crawling and going
 with the solid axle conversion.  I hear it works really well for
 prerunning but not for crawling
 I have some pictures of it on my web page.  If interested please check
 it out.
 http://www.digitalpla.net/~offroader
 Thanks
 Tony.
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 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 19:19:45 -0600
 From: Steve Harron & Jennifer Lippold  Subject: 3.0 V6 Headers
 To: toy4x4@tlca.org
 I thought I saw someone talking about "Legal" headers for the 3.0
 4Runners?  I want some headers that are 50 state legal as I may be
 transfered to Los Angeles next year.  Any input on headers would be
 appreciated.  What is the best set up for a daily driven vehicle?  I am
 also going to get the throttle body bored out to go with my K&N
 filtercharger.
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 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 17:42:38 -0800
 From: Scott Wilson  Subject: 3.0 V6 Headers
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 Steve Harron & Jennifer Lippold wrote:>> I thought I saw someone talking about "Legal" headers for the 3.0> 4Runners?  I want some headers that are 50 state legal as I may be> transfered to Los Angeles next year.  Any input on headers would be> appreciated.
 As far as I know Downey V6 headers are the only ones legal in CA...and
 that only happened a few months back.
 Scott
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 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 23:14:49 -0700
 From: marc sahr  Subject: 4Runner automatics
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 What's the general consenus regarding automatics in the older 4Runners? Are
 they as bulletproof as the 5-speeds? I'm looking for a solid-axle SR5 that
 my wife can use. The main use would be daily driver/family car with some
 "family" 4-wheeling (no radical hard-core stuff).
 Any opinions or experience with this setup?
 Marc Sahr
 msahr@primenet.com
 76FJ40, 84 SR5 LB 4x4
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 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 22:42:41 -0800
 From: "Sandy and Terry"  Subject: Back from Death Valley
 To:  Got back from Death Valley tonight.  I added 1,400 miles to my odometer
 since Friday.  (Equivalent to approx. 1,260 miles with corrections to my
 gears.)  We had a total of 5 vehicles. The weekend was a blast.  I'll be
 putting together a trip report soon.
 Good people + good trails + good weather = Good times
 I'd like to thank Don West, Roger Brown, Bob and Tim Stucky from the "list"
 and James Fisher from the Gettin Off club for participating. Roger
 sacrificed a nut and washer from one of his dual steering stabilizers for a
 quick field repair.  I lost the nut and washer on my front left shock in
 Titus Canyon.  Thanks, Roger.
 I don't have a web page so I'll probably attach a text file to a future
 post.
 Terry Johnson
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 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 16:25:06 -0600
 From: MARK BELL  Subject: Bio
 To: "'Toy4x4'"  Mark Bell
 Telecommunications Engineer
 Phone: 205-963-8599
 Fax: 205-963-6214
 Email: mark.bell@adtran.com>---------->From: 	Toy4x4-Request[SMTP:toy4x4-request@tlca.org]>Sent: 	Friday, January 16, 1998 6:51 PM>To: 	MARK BELL>Subject: 	Bio>>Personal Bio Info>>POST TO THE LIST ONLY>> toy4x4@tlca.org>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++>>Name:Mark Bell>>City & State:Huntsville Al>>Country:Madison>>E-mail address:mark.bell@adtran.com>>Toyota (s) year & model:89 Toyota 4x4 Truck>>Are you a TLCA Member (Y/N/Number?):no>>Age:33>>Occupation:Telecommunication Eng>>Marital Status:Married>Hobbies:Hunting>>How did you find out about the Toyota 4x4 Mailing List:cruising the net>>General info about your vehicle, self, etc.: I have a 89 Toy 4X4 that I got>new. After 170000 miles I had to put a new engines in it. I also went ahead>and change out the rearend and replace the cluch in it as well. I am looking>for someone that might have the horsepower listing that or Serial # listing>of 22re engines.>> ------------------------------
 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 20:02:27 -0600
 From: Carlos Giron  Subject: Bio
 To: Toy4x4  Toy4x4-Request wrote:>> Personal Bio Info>> POST TO THE LIST ONLY>> toy4x4@tlca.org> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++>> Name:Carlos Giron>> City & State:Baton Rouge, LA>> Country:USA>> E-mail address:cgiron@ix.netcom.com>> Toyota (s) year & model:'86 Extra cab SR5>> Are you a TLCA Member (Y/N/Number?):no>> Age:28>> Occupation:student/waiter>> Marital Status:single>> Hobbies:fishing, golf, audio/video, computers, camping & 4-wheelin>> How did you find out about the Toyota 4x4 Mailing List:surfin for info about those %$#@# cone washers>> General info about your vehicle, self, etc.:My 1986 is my first 4x4, I got the truck 4 yrs ago from my boss for $3000. It only had 78,000 miles on it. I've added Rancho Powerflow exhaust, RS5000 w/ steering stabilizer, and K&N Filter. Rebuilt transmission, rebuilt front (CV)axle, new clutch, incredible stereo(left-over). It just turned 140,000 miles. I'm thinking about Downey torsion bars, snubbers and 2" rear springs.
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 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 21:08:42 -0900
 From: "David K. Walker"  Subject: Bio
 To: Toy4x4  Toy4x4-Request wrote:> Personal Bio Info>> POST TO THE LIST ONLY>> toy4x4@tlca.org> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++>> Name:David K. Walker>> City & State:Wasilla, Alaska>> Country:USA>> E-mail address:davekw@pobox.alaska.net>> Toyota (s) year & model:1988 4Runner>> Are you a TLCA Member (Y/N/Number?):N>> Age:38>> Occupation:Electrician>> Marital Status:Yes...14 years to the first and only>> Hobbies:R/C planes, canoeing and fishing, my computer>>> How did you find out about the Toyota 4x4 Mailing List:'found> off-road.com via Yahoo search, found mailing list there.>> General info about your vehicle, self, etc.:Purchased '88 'Runner on> 1/10/98, developed head gasket leak after thermostat and radiator cap> change on 1/15//98. Turned to dealer on 1/16/98 to diagnose> overheating...as of 1/19/98 they still have it. I will pick it up> 1/20.> Block is .002 out of tolerance for flat. There is a low spot between> #2 & #3. Being tapped for resources, I told them to put it together as> best they can and I'm hoping it'll hold.
 So other than being a whipped dog of a used car buyer, I
 bought this beautiful red two door to drive everyday. 57 miles one way
 is my daily commute, 30 freeway, twenty urban pavement, seven unimproved
 backroad. I require snow go ability, 80 mph up long grades,  capacity to
 carry dogs and/or tools, as well as truck chassis for light
 trailering.        Except for the last, I would have bought a Subaru.
 Offroad demand is low, but the ability is required at times
 I would have been happier with a V-6, though all ready the 2.4
 liter ' Runner is a better performer than my 2.8 liter S-10. More top
 end, and lighter steering. The ride is not as nice, but the rear
 suspension is toast.
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 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 19:37:39 -0800
 From: Ken Emanuel  Subject: Dynomax muffler
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 Dan Newby wrote:>> Has anyone used one of the Dynomax low restriction mufflers on a 3.0 V6?> I have a Dynomax on my 22R-E, and I wouldn't buy anything else.  I
 definately
 noticed an increase in power (mainly because the old muffler had a lot
 of restriction in it), but I like the sound better than any other.
 It sounds a little deeper outside, but sounds no different from stock
 inside.  It would sound even better on your V6.
 I vote for Dynomax.
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 '87 Xtra Cab SR5    (22R-E)
 http://webpages.csus.edu/~sac75830/toystuff.htm
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 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 02:03:24 -0800
 From: Kenneth Fong  Subject: Dynomax muffler
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org, newbyd@ipix.com
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 I have the cat-back bolt-on 2" mandrel bent Dynomax with the Super Turbo muffler.The sound is just right.  It's not too loud.
 I did notice an improvement in throttle response off the line and in the powerband.
 The Ultraflow is suppose to be one of the least restrictive but it's expensive and loud.
 This is on a '90 4-Runner.> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 17:05:45 -0500> From: Dan Newby > Subject: Dynomax muffler> To: Toy4x4@tlca.org>> Has anyone used one of the Dynomax low restriction mufflers on a 3.0 V6?>> If so, did you get any noticeable improvements?>> Thanks,>> Dan> 1994 Toyota 4x4 standard cab, short bed, V6, 5 spd, 4" suspension lift,>  12.50x33" tires, 5.29 gears, EZ Lockers front and rear.
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 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 22:59:01 -0800
 From: "Sandy and Terry"  Subject: Four wheelin near LA?
 To: >I am considering a job/move to LA. Seems like most of the offroading I hear>about is in North CA. My question is there any good wheelin in the LA area?>Thanks>Mike Pelland>1994 extra cab Pick-up>http://www2.netcom.com/~pelland/>> I'm from Northern CA but there are lots of opportunities in Southern CA in
 the Mojave.  Someone already mentioned the extreme trails such as Jackhammer
 and Sledgehammer.  But there are also plenty of good trails in Mojave.
 Also, LA isn't that far from Panamint Valley or Death Valley.  In Panamint
 besides the winching exercise of Surprise Canyon there is Stone Canyon which
 is an excellent trail for modified rigs.  There is also the Pleasant
 Canyon/South Park Canyon loop which is fun for any stock vehicle.  There are
 also many trails in Death Valley.
 BTW was anyone aware that "Ballarat" Don is no longer the caretaker of the
 ghost town in Panamint Valley?  He moved to Arizona at the end of May.  The
 new caretaker is Louie.  We met him this weekend.
 Terry Johnson
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 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 00:32:42 -8 GMT
 From: "Leo G. Divinagracia III"  Subject: is this a sign of timing belt demise???
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org, toyota@btoy1.rochester.ny.us
 for the past two weeks or so, i've been having this problem.  first i
 thought it was cruise control problems but even with the CC off, i
 still experience it.
 while cruising at a stable speed, the RPM would jump about 200-300
 for a couple seconds then drop back down to 'normal'.  then once in a
 while, it would jump an extra 1000, then hunt around to normal and
 back up 1000 to 500 to 1000 and then back to normal.
 so it's something like this: cruising around 2100, then jump to 2500
 for a couple seconds, then back to 2100 rpm.  then while at around
 2100, it would jump to 3100, stay here for about a second, drop down
 to 2500, back to 3100, then back to 2100.  this drove me nuts when i
 had to drive to vegas for about 1000 miles round trip...
 btw, it's a 90 4runner with 101k.  it's a v6 and auto tranny.  had a
 tune up recently and had the cap and rotor changed.  around 42k, my
 timing belt was changed due to a procedure that was a warranty job.
 so, the current belt is around the 'magic' point where it needs to
 be changed.  has anyone experienced this?
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 Leo G. Divinagracia III
 ldivinag@csuhayward.edu
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 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 23:39:13 -0600
 From: "Larry D Walls"  Subject: Japan
 To: "Toy4x4"  Is there anyone on this list that is in Japan? or knows someone who is and
 could have them contact me? I need some things for my Hilux and any help
 would be appreciated.
 Thanks,
 Larry D Walls    Austin TX,
 1980 Hilux 4x4, rhdrive,231,4spd,4.11's,3"suspension,2"body
 1988 4x4,22re, 5spd mostly stock with winch
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 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 23:21:11 -0700
 From: marc sahr  Subject: K&N filters
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 I'm thinking about making a new setup for better breathing on my 84 22R. If
 I cut a stock air cleaner to just outside the circumference of the K&N, top
 and bottom, all the way around, would this be a good idea? I don't really
 see any kind of setup in the Downey catalog for this, just an air cleaner
 element.
 Thanks for the input.
 Marc Sahr
 msahr@primenet.com
 TLCA 5056
 76 FJ40, 84 SR5 LB 4x4
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 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 20:20:13 EST
 From: Toy4x4s  Subject: More Moab stuff...
 To: toy4x4@tlca.org
<> Brandon... huh?What do you mean by one vehicle runs? There won't be any of
 those... I do "think" ( i may be wrong...) that trails will be limited to 20
 vehicles plus staff. I can guarantee it won't be you, the trail leader and a
 tail gunner on a trail... there will be more than just one vehicle being
 guided... I dunno... maybe I read your meaning wrong...
 We will be there in the 85 4Runner at the very least... I may bring one of my
 FJ40's. At this point that is undecided... Maybe I'll see you at next years
 Cruise Moab '99!?
 June Bennett
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 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 18:03:58 -0800
 From: Brandon Miller  Subject: More Moab stuff...
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org>Brandon... huh?What do you mean by one vehicle runs? There won't be any of>those... I do "think" ( i may be wrong...) that trails will be limited to 20>vehicles plus staff. I can guarantee it won't be you, the trail leader and a>tail gunner on a trail... there will be more than just one vehicle being>guided... I dunno... maybe I read your meaning wrong...
 June,
 I mean one type of vehicle, I am not going to drive all the way out to where my
 dad lives from California and have him not be able to go on the run!  It is such
 a long drive for me and such a short drive for my dad I'd like to see his 53'
 M38A-1 tackle the trails. The fun of four wheeling is seeing all of the different
 types of 4by's. I play with my Toyota enough, well its never enough but...
 I like this discussion group because it allows me to find out more about my truck
 but if the only 4by's were toyotas things just wouldn't be as fun, diversity is
 the best thing about wheelin.  I see all types of jeeps, samarai's, datsuns,
 fords, chevys,and everything else imaginable and I love it.  There is a reason I
 am not in a club, they taylor to one vehicle too much, I prefer to wheel with
 friends from all the local clubs and that is the reason I wouldn't go on Cruise
 98.  Sounds cool but it singles out too many nice rigs.  As far as I know the
 safari is open to everyone and thats the one I'll be on, if it isn't I'll form my
 own group.  Does that make sense?
 One more thing, I am not afraid of being the only one on the trail. If you come
 to the Rubicon you just might find me cruising the trail solo looking to meet
 other wheelers.
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 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 17:35:19 -0500
 From: Ed Ruf  Subject: New Jersey emissions
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 On 02:32 PM 1/19/98 -0500, Charles Brooks wrote:>>I just received this off the Monte Carlo mailing list. Does anyone>here live in NJ? Can you confirn this???>>I don't understand why all this BullShit is passing through>legislation!
 Because the citizens don't keep informed and get involved early on. I
 did a quick search on the web to check the facts, especially in light
 of the fact the governor of NJ, Christine Whitman, is a WOMAN, not a
 MAN as implied below. From what could ascertain, this is the phase-in
 of a law which was passed back in 1994, I couldn't find when the gov.
 actually signed it. Also the governor of any state does not pass any
 laws. They must be passed in the state legislature, prior to
 signature or veto by the gov. If vetoed then the legislature has an
 opportunity to override.
 I'm not saying I agree with this law. What I am saying is government
 only works when citizens make the effort to keep informed and to
 participate in the normal process of government. Doing so in real
 time is always easier than as a reactionary measure. This law has
 been on the books for 3 yrs. Why weren't these folks helping the
 fight back BEFORE it was passed?
 Case in point, how many of you know where your locale stands in
 regard to the findings of the required EPA air pollution surveys?
 Depending on the results of such surveys the ramifications could be
 of GREAT consequence, ie EMISSIONS TESTING! Do you know the trends or
 better yet questions in the reliability of these surveys?
 We just came very close to having emissions inspections mandated on
 us here in the Tidewater area of VA. One of the over the limit ozone
 readings was quite suspect. It took much work and research to bring
 the scientific data together for presentation to the EPA. But that
 work together with clean results from more recent tests have help
 stay the testing requirements. Luckily, I happen to work with a
 member of the air pollution board at NASA LaRC.
 So whether its bumper height, suspension mod, or emissions laws GET
 INVOLVED!
 If we stand idly by while politicians do something stupid, just what
 does that say of us?
 Just my deflated U$0.02,
 Ed>----------------------------------------------------------->This message sent by: DxMCnElCam >----------------------------------------------------------->Did anyone read last weeks Old Cars Weekly.  Seems if the old
 Govenor of New>Jersey got himself re-elected (barely) and then proceeded with
 passing his>foolish emmissions bill.  I feel sorry for you guy's in NJ.  Some
 key points>brought in Old Cars Weekly article about the bill.>>1) All cars older than 4 years have to have a special inspection.
 Cost around>$24.>>2)  If your car does not pass, you can only take it to an authorized
 state>mechanic to have it repaired. (No shade trees).>>3) If it still does not pass, then they will revoke registration.
 (NJ does>not allow  cars on your property that are not registered, so they
 may come and>take your car from you)>>There was more and if everyone is interested, I will post the
 article if>interested.  The article got me very MAD.  If this does not sound
 like>communism, then what does.  I am all for cars being in good safe
 shape and>running clean, but this is taking it way to far.  I challenge us all
 to get>off of our lazy butts and do something about it.  I am going to tell
 ten other>people besides this list about this and challenge you all to do the
 same.  We>have to stop the madness.  Our freedoms to express ourselves is
 being>challenged here.   Thankyou for allowing me to express my opinion on
 this>list.>>Steve
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 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 19:55:04 -0500
 From: Charles Brooks  Subject: New Jersey emissions
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 Ed Ruf wrote:> It took much work and research to bring> the scientific data together for presentation to the EPA. But that> work together with clean results from more recent tests have help> stay the testing requirements. Luckily, I happen to work with a> member of the air pollution board at NASA LaRC.>> So whether its bumper height, suspension mod, or emissions laws GET> INVOLVED!> If we stand idly by while politicians do something stupid, just what> does that say of us?>> Just my deflated U$0.02,
 Ed you seem to have a pretty good handle on this stuff.
 Where/How do I get involved with the actual air testing?
 Charles Brooks
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 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 21:03:22 -0800
 From: "Allen Jensen"  Subject: Tire Deflators
 To:  There are two types of defaltors out there.
 The $10 ones screw on to the stems and just let out the air. You have to
 take them off when you think the tires are where you want them. They don't
 shut off so you have to watch them.
 Then there are the $45 ones that shut off at a pressure you set by turning
 the nut inside. One turn is one pound of pressure. These shut off when you
 want them too. You can also put them on and start driving for a bit. They'll
 still shut off at the right time. Stop after a few minutes and take them
 off. The only place I know that sells them is Oasis Off road Mfg in Lake
 Forest, Ca. (888) 96OASIS. They're $45+/- for 4 deflators, adjustment tool,
 a low pressure guage (1-20lbs), and a leather carrying case. I'm really hapy
 with mine. You can see a picture of one at http://members.home.com/aj7/  .
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 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 19:21:53 -0600
 From: Steve Harron & Jennifer Lippold  Subject: Toy4x4 Digest V1 #664
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org>>>>>I had the same thing happen with my 95 4Runner.  The drive pully on>> the front of the power steering pump had come loose.  I don't know how>> or why it happened.  It was not loose enough to wiggle by hand but it>> was loose enough to let the vanes in the pump rub the pump housing>> under any kind of load.  I tried thread lock and it came loose about>> two weeks later.  A lock washer solved the problem.>>>>> Yup!  You were right on the money... I owe you one.  Thanks a million.>> Austin Marriage> yeti@inetworld.net> 96 Tacoma XCab 4X4 V6, 4"Downey, 33"BFG M/T's>> ------------------------------>>Glad I was able to help.  You and I are the only ones I know who have had this strange "affliction".
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 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 19:18:31 -0500 (EST)
 From: Cartman  Subject: turn signals
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org>      Does anyone know how to resolve this?????
 Might wanna get a slower flasher.  I don't remember the actual part
 numbers for 'em.... but just go to an auto parts store and the people will
 tell ya which ones are slower... slower than the one you have now.  You
 might wanna take the flasher that's in there now and tell 'em you want
 something slower.
 - --
 Doug
 ~ " What is Mind? no Matter. What is Matter? never Mind." ~
 --Homer J Simpson
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 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 20:50:03 -0700
 From: Tony Bartlett  Subject: turn signals
 To: Toy4x4  You must have the wrong wattage bulbs with the aftermarket ones you are
 using.
 If I remember correctly with a higher wattage bulb it gets the flasher
 unit hot faster causing it to blink faster.
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 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 02:28:07 -0700
 From: Brian Rishaw  Subject: V6 Mods - Throttle Body
 To: Toyota 4x4 Digest-posting  Clif Moyers,
 You read it right, and the address is:
 RC Engineering
 1728 Border Ave.
 Torrance, CA 90501
 Performance Products uses RC to bore your throttle body.
 Brian Rishaw
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 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 20:30:11 EST
 From: DRM033  Subject: WHY??? Easter Safari in Moab???
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 In a message dated 98-01-19 02:57:36 EST, you write:> Our club, Rising Sun 4WD of Colorado, which is a TLCA Chapter, is hosting
 the>  fully sanctioned TLCA event called Cruise Moab '98. Guess what... Since
 it's> a>  TLCA thing, that means ONLY TOYOTAS are allowed to participate!!!!! So you>  don't have to be there with those J**ps and other vehicles... It'll just be> us>  Toyotas!
 Toyota's are great man, but all Toyoya's would bore me to death.  I personally
 like to see a wide variety of 4x4's on the trail, and see how each one
 performs.
 I would cry if I had to watch 20 Toyota trucks go over the same obstacle, then
 the next obstacle, then the next...
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 David Moore                       DRM033@aol.com
 90 Toyota Truck - 4" ProComp, 33" Swampers,
 4.88's, rear ARB, TJM bumper & Ramsey #8000
 TLCA #5662
 Traxx In Motion 4 Wheel Drive Club
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 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 00:34:33 -0500
 From: Agustinus Gunawan  Subject: WHY??? Easter Safari in Moab???
 To: "'Toy4x4@tlca.org'"  About 10 years ago when Toyota start making faces around the toughest trail
 in USA many Toyota owner were not allowed to participate. Many Toyota
 owners could only curse them saying they are stupid, ego maniac, arrogant
 SOB etc.
 Now we are a force they reckon with.  But should we do the same thing that
 we use to curse????
 I think we should welcome other brand of vehicle and show them the Toyota
 way.
 If you would ban other brand then you should ban any Toyotas that have non
 Toyota part, such as V8 engine, NV4500 trans and Dana axles.
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 From:	DRM033 [SMTP:DRM033@aol.com]> Our club, Rising Sun 4WD of Colorado, which is a TLCA Chapter, is hosting
 the>  fully sanctioned TLCA event called Cruise Moab '98. Guess what... Since
 it's> a>  TLCA thing, that means ONLY TOYOTAS are allowed to participate!!!!! So
 you>  don't have to be there with those J**ps and other vehicles... It'll just
 be> us>  Toyotas!
 Toyota's are great man, but all Toyoya's would bore me to death.  I
 personally
 like to see a wide variety of 4x4's on the trail, and see how each one
 performs.
 I would cry if I had to watch 20 Toyota trucks go over the same obstacle,
 then
 the next obstacle, then the next...
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