Toy4x4 Digest          Sun, 11 Jan 98 00:30:01 (HST)  Volume 1 : Issue 648
 Today's Topics:
 22re header
 33" Tires for sale
 address change
 Gears or Lockers (2 msgs)
 gears or lockers? (4 msgs)
 Gorman trip? (2 msgs)
 Heater in 1st Gen 4 Runner
 locker choice
 New Gears
 Power Brake Booster
 Powertrax no slip diff
 steering & ignition problems
 Tires and Timing..
 Unsubscribe
 was and still is "won't start"
 web page update
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 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 17:32:05 -0600
 From: "Larry D Walls"  Subject: 22re header
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 Has anyone heard of or know about headers made by pacesetter/monza?
 Super Shops (racing shop) here in Austin sells one for a 1988 22re for =
 $95.00 and that includes all emission hookups, plus collector and they =
 say it is 18ga with extra thick flange. That's allot cheaper than I've =
 seen anywhere else, also the cat-back system by the same people is =
 $185.00
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 Thanks,
 Larry D Walls  Austin,TX
 1980 4x4 Hilux,rhdrive,30 over 231,4spd,4.11's,3"suspension,2"body
 1988 4x4 mostly stock 22re 5spd with 6000lb Ramsey winch
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Has anyone heard of or know about =
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Super Shops (racing shop) here in =
 Austin sells=20
 one for a 1988 22re for $95.00 and that includes all emission hookups, =
 plus=20
 collector and they say it is 18ga with extra thick flange. That's allot =
 cheaper=20
 than I've seen anywhere else, also the cat-back system by the same =
 people is=20
 $185.00
 
Thanks,
Larry D Walls  =
 Austin,TX
1980 4x4 Hilux,rhdrive,30 over=20
 231,4spd,4.11's,3"suspension,2"body
1988 4x4 mostly stock 22re 5spd with =
 6000lb=20
 Ramsey winch
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 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 20:28:22 -0800
 From: Jason Redman  Subject: 33" Tires for sale
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 Chris Geiger wrote:> Did your friend want the tires?
 Sorry Bud, it's a no-go.  I asked and a couple of guys wanted them, but
 were just flat broke... Maybe next time.
 Austin Marriage
 yeti@inetworld.net
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 Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 00:10:48 -0500
 From: Brian Engle  Subject: address change
 To: Toyota 4x4 Mailing List  I have changed my e-mail address from Brian.T.Engle@Rose-Hulman.edu  to
 Gandalf__1@hotmail.com   Please forward the list to this new address.
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 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 22:00:03 -0500
 From: Sheldon Gardner  Subject: Gears or Lockers
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 16:59:48 -0500> From: "Jason Wilson" > Subject: gears or lockers?> To: >> Well, I wasn't careful the other weekend and got water in my differential.> I knew that I should have put on some of those diff breathers!  Oh well,> since my gears burnt up this gives me an excuse to go to 4:88's.  But when> I started checking prices, I found that changing both front and rear gears> would cost me at least $1000.  I wanted to go ahead and put in some lockers> while I was at it, but I don't have the $$$ to do it all.  So, I have to> make a decision.  Should I buy 4:88's for the front and rear, or just> replace the burnt up gears and get a locker with it.>> Jason Wilson> '85 X-cab  33" Thornbirds, 3.5" suspension lift, and other goodies> WHAT!!!!!
 Dude if memory serves FWPW has some combo gear/locker deals around
 1100.00 bucks for new gears F&R and lockers in both diffs too.
 Check em out..
 Sheldon
 sgard@flnet.com
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 Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 07:43:13 -0800
 From: Chris Geiger  Subject: Gears or Lockers
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 Yes it's $1200 for the gears, lockers, bearing, and seals but it goes up to$1600
 with labor, that's what it cost me at 4WPH in Burbank last year.
 Chris Gegier 93 4Runner http://geiger.mcl.ucsb.edu/offroad.html> Dude if memory serves FWPW has some combo gear/locker deals around> 1100.00 bucks for new gears F&R and lockers in both diffs too.> Check em out..
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 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 20:53:39 EST
 From: DRM033  Subject: gears or lockers?
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 In a message dated 98-01-10 17:14:55 EST, you write:
<> get a loan?  yeah, real good advise...
 $1000 is pretty steep.  I bought gears from Downey, and had a guy set up both,
 in the truck, and install my rear ARB for $300.  total ticket: about $800
 tops.
 My gears & locker sat in my room for 4 MONTHS until I could afford the
 install.
 David
 DRM033@aol.com
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 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 22:09:25 -0500
 From: Darren Floen  Subject: gears or lockers?
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 Jason wrote:
 Well, I wasn't careful the other weekend and got water in my
 differential.
 I knew that I should have put on some of those diff breathers!  Oh well,
 since my gears burnt up this gives me an excuse to go to 4:88's.  But
 when
 I started checking prices, I found that changing both front and rear
 gears
 would cost me at least $1000.  I wanted to go ahead and put in some
 lockers
 while I was at it, but I don't have the $$$ to do it all.  So, I have to
 make a decision.  Should I buy 4:88's for the front and rear, or just
 replace the burnt up gears and get a locker with it.
 Jason Wilson
 '85 X-cab  33" Thornbirds, 3.5" suspension lift, and other goodies
 Just how much water did you get in your diffs?How long was it there?Are
 you sure your gears are burnt?
 I have had water in my diffs before too,but caught it before any damage
 was done.If the water wasn't in the diff for too long,and it didn't
 freeze,chances are that the gears may not be harmed too badly.I mean
 that maybe you could get a few more miles out of them,until you save
 enough cash to do gears and lockers at the same time.
 Darren
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 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 20:20:09 -0800
 From: Jason Redman  Subject: gears or lockers?
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 Darren Floen wrote:> Just how much water did you get in your diffs?How long was it> there?Are> you sure your gears are burnt?> I have had water in my diffs before too,but caught it before any> damage> was done.If the water wasn't in the diff for too long,and it didn't> freeze,chances are that the gears may not be harmed too badly.I mean> that maybe you could get a few more miles out of them,until you save> enough cash to do gears and lockers at the same time.>> Darren
 How do you tell if you have water in your diff's?  If you submerge
 your diff in water, is it 100% positive that you will get water in it?
 Thanks
 Austin Marriage
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 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 23:35:40 -0500
 From: Darren Floen  Subject: gears or lockers?
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 Austin wrote:
 How do you tell if you have water in your diff's?  If you submerge
 your diff in water, is it 100% positive that you will get water in it?
 Thanks
 Austin Marriage
 If you completely submerge your diffs without having extended diff
 breathers,you stand a very good chance of getting water in your
 diffs.You can check for water by pulling the drain plug on your diffs.If
 it is a whitish milky colour,you have water.If it is the typical grayish
 or golden colour you have no water,but if its really gray it should
 probably be changed.I have extended breathers,so i have rarely ever had
 water in my diffs.Also,i work for a trucking/forestry company so gear
 oil is free!I change my diff oil fairely often.
 Darren
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 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 21:44:07 -0800 (PST)
 From: Luke P Miller  Subject: Gorman trip?
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 Is the snow wheeling trip to Gorman mentioned a few days ago still
 happening tomorrow (sunday)? If so, I'm thinking I might like to tag
 along.
 Luke Miller
 '85 4Runner
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 Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 10:27:09 -0800
 From: Chris Geiger  Subject: Gorman trip?
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 I don't think it is going to happen this weekend, but there are a few of
 us trying to make it happen next week, at this point I am planning
 to bring my son Brian and his "jet ski" (what he calls his snow sled)
 I think Mike Mendart and Jim Brink are in too.
 Luke P Miller wrote:> Is the snow wheeling trip to Gorman mentioned a few days ago still> happening tomorrow (sunday)? If so, I'm thinking I might like to tag> along.>> Luke Miller> '85 4Runner
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 Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 00:01:10 EST
 From: ishi-tib@juno.com (J Doherty)
 Subject: Heater in 1st Gen 4 Runner
 To: toy4x4@tlca.org>        So looking around, the leak is over on the rear of the passenger>side, and I'm wondering how the heater core was ever designed to be
 removed.>The "bucket" containing the core & fan/ducting is pretty well jammed in>there, and no book I've come across on the newer dash style 1st gen
 ('88)>shows anything.  I'm guessing that the evaporator for the A/C will have
 to>come out to let the heater unit be removed. Getting it out the drivers
 side>looks like a real jam - doubtful it'd come out.
 Anyone have to mess with this yet, and how did you get it out?
 Scott
 I don't know if this is the best way but I removed the entire
 dash. I didn't see any way to remove the A/C evaporator with out opening
 up the system. Last time I checked freon was expensive. Besides I was
 replacing the dash anyway. I didn't like the color. What books have you
 looked at? I think the Chilton manual has some decent drawings not sure
 though I seem to have lost mine.  I'm not sure what you ment by newer
 though I think the dashes are essentially the same from 84 to 89 not sure
 But when I replaced the heater in my 85 I put in a dash from an 88 they
 look a little different but they bolt in to the same places.
 Hope this helps
 - -Jack
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 Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 00:30:48 -0500
 From: "Jason Wilson"  Subject: locker choice
 To:  I'm still looking around for lockers and the 4x4 shop near me in SC said
 that Lock Rights wear out after a few years.  I've also heard that Detroits
 are a lot stronger that the Lock Rights because that replace the whole
 carrier.   But, my question is....Have any of you ever had a problem with
 Lock Rights.  I'm trying to figure out if I should spend the extra $$$$ on
 a Detroit.
 Jason Wilson
 http://www.clemson.edu/~jgwilso
 '85 X-cab  33" Thornbirds, 3.5" suspension lift, and other goodies
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 Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 02:05:06 -0600
 From: John  Subject: New Gears
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 Well, it finally happened.  My rear pinion bearing is SHOT!  Now I need
 to get the rear differential rebuilt.  Since I changed my tires to 31's
 I am going to regear both diffs to 4.56.  I am looking at gear sets and
 am not sure about some of the catalog prices.  Do the Downey gear sets
 come with all of the necessary bearings already?  If so then, it would
 seem that they are quite a bit cheaper than 4WPW.
 Basically my question is who has the best overall price for two sets of
 gears and what is the parts list for the job?
 Thanks,
 John
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 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 16:46:27 -0700
 From: Tony Bartlett  Subject: Power Brake Booster
 To: Toy4x4  I know Jim already answered this but the reason to replace the one way
 valve is because it freezes shut.  Mazda had the same problem with their
 MPV's.
 Tony.
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 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 23:42:01 -0500
 From: Kevin Watters  Subject: Powertrax no slip diff
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org> Subject:>              Re: Powertrax no slip diff>         Date:>              Fri, 09 Jan 1998 21:10:26 -0800>        From:>              Brandon Miller >     Reply-To:>              Toy4x4@tlca.org>  Organization:>              csus>          To:>              Toy4x4@tlca.org>   References:>              1 , 2 , 3 , 4>>>>> That would be the lock right...>> Kevin Watters wrote:>>>> Where can I get one I have never heard of one??>>> I drive a 86' xtra cab, mostly stock and would like to add on.>>> Please give me a # or Homepage for this place.>>>>>> Thanks in advance.>>> Chris Austin Jr.>>>>>  try  http://www.powertrax.com>>>> If you look at this web site you will find that they make more than just
 the lock-rite, the new locker that they sell is the one that I believe
 Chris is interested in as well as myself.
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 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 16:49:59 -0700
 From: Tony Bartlett  Subject: steering & ignition problems
 To: Toy4x4  Tires can cause a pull, if your vehicle drove straight and now pulls
 right then it is probably a tire pull.  They normally pull to the bad
 tire (right front)
 you can try and swap your front tires to see if it helps. (double check
 your air pressure also)
 Tony
 http://www.digitalpla.net/~offroader
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 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 17:33:10
 From: JIM  Subject: Tires and Timing..
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 Have a '94 x-cab with stock wheels and 28" tires.  I want to find some of
 the sr5 wheels that came from factory..any ideas where to find 'em?  Also
 what are the recommendations to change the timing (belt or chain?), don't
 have a manual for it yet.
 Thanks,  Jim
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 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 18:02:23 -0500
 From: "David C. Inabinet"  Subject: Unsubscribe
 To:  Please Unsubscribe me from the list. I will be away from my computer/PC for
 a while. I will sign back up in Feb.
 THANKS!
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 Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 00:01:10 EST
 From: ishi-tib@juno.com (J Doherty)
 Subject: was and still is "won't start"
 To: toy4x4@tlca.org
 For all you that missed this I tried to put 85 injectors into a an 88
 p/u with the 88 ECU. in short it didn't work. Despite the ideas of timing
 problems as many others I've determined it is the injectors. This was
 tested with a set of barrowed injectors from another 88. The 88 ECU just
 doesn't have it in her to open injectors at 2.6 ohms. The ones I barrowed
 were 1.3 ohms they worked great.
 Thanks Brian the page you pointed me to was a real help.
 And for any one that has hot rodded their 22re to the point that they are
 getting plenty of air but not enough fuel here is some injector specs.
 color                resistance  flow    test pressure   valve hole
 engine
 yellow-orange     1.7       250     2.55                   pintle (1)
 22R-E (-85.8)
 pink                       1.6       295     2.55
 pintle (1)        22R-TE (85.8-)
 orange                  1.7       200     2.9                      cone
 (2)         22R-E (87.8-)
 also the orange ones have an oval connector found only on 87-88
 I think, the others are rectangular.
 I don't see why the 85 ones shouldn't if the resistance wasn't so
 high. I'm hunting the junk yards for some around 1.5 ohms. If I find them
 I'll let you know if there is a power increase.
 Jack Doherty
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 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 17:03:29 -0700
 From: Tony Bartlett  Subject: web page update
 To: Toy4x4  Hi everyone, I just changed around all my files for my web page to put
 everything in folders so my file list does not look so jumbled.  Please
 let me know if you have a problem checking anything out.
 I will also be adding another trail run of an area near Salt Lake City
 called 5 mile pass.
 should be updated tonight.
 Thanks everyone.
 Toyota Tony
 http://www.digitalpla.net/~offroader
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