Toy4x4 Digest          Sat, 10 Jan 98 12:30:02 (HST)  Volume 1 : Issue 647
 Today's Topics:
 gears or lockers? (3 msgs)
 Gotta Love My ADD Hubs! [ was, HUBS LOCKED...] (2 msgs)
 Heater in 1st Gen 4 Runner
 Less than a week till Death Valley!
 Locking hubs and on the fly 4wd
 Midas= no good!
 My diff size??? (3 msgs)
 Poly bushings.
 Power Brake Booster (2 msgs)
 Powertrax no slip
 Rubicon
 steering & ignition problems (2 msgs)
 V6 Mods
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 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 16:59:48 -0500
 From: "Jason Wilson"  Subject: gears or lockers?
 To:  Well, I wasn't careful the other weekend and got water in my differential.
 I knew that I should have put on some of those diff breathers!  Oh well,
 since my gears burnt up this gives me an excuse to go to 4:88's.  But when
 I started checking prices, I found that changing both front and rear gears
 would cost me at least $1000.  I wanted to go ahead and put in some lockers
 while I was at it, but I don't have the $$$ to do it all.  So, I have to
 make a decision.  Should I buy 4:88's for the front and rear, or just
 replace the burnt up gears and get a locker with it.
 Jason Wilson
 '85 X-cab  33" Thornbirds, 3.5" suspension lift, and other goodies
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 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 14:04:32 -0800
 From: Brandon Miller  Subject: gears or lockers?
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 Do it yourself for half the price.
 Jason Wilson wrote:> Well, I wasn't careful the other weekend and got water in my differential.> I knew that I should have put on some of those diff breathers!  Oh well,> since my gears burnt up this gives me an excuse to go to 4:88's.  But when> I started checking prices, I found that changing both front and rear gears> would cost me at least $1000.  I wanted to go ahead and put in some lockers> while I was at it, but I don't have the $$$ to do it all.  So, I have to> make a decision.  Should I buy 4:88's for the front and rear, or just> replace the burnt up gears and get a locker with it.>> Jason Wilson> '85 X-cab  33" Thornbirds, 3.5" suspension lift, and other goodies
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 Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 02:11:31 -0800
 From: Chris Geiger  Subject: gears or lockers?
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 Get a loan an do the gears & lockers, front & rear! Then eat cup o soup until
 it's
 paid for. 4WPW has credit right in the shop. If you do the rear only you kill
 both
 the front and rear diff if you put the truck in 4WD, You must do both.
 It's allways the same question food and shelter or wheeling?
 Chris Geiger 93 4Runner http://geiger.mcl.ucsb.edu/offroad.html> Well, I wasn't careful the other weekend and got water in my differential.> I knew that I should have put on some of those diff breathers!  Oh well,> since my gears burnt up this gives me an excuse to go to 4:88's.  But when> I started checking prices, I found that changing both front and rear gears> would cost me at least $1000.  I wanted to go ahead and put in some lockers> while I was at it, but I don't have the $$$ to do it all.  So, I have to> make a decision.  Should I buy 4:88's for the front and rear, or just> replace the burnt up gears and get a locker with it.> ------------------------------
 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 08:59:30 -0800
 From: Dee Smith  Subject: Gotta Love My ADD Hubs! [ was, HUBS LOCKED...]
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 Jeffrey Delzer wrote:>> I periodically exercise the front drive line even though I have ADD> hubs. I just toss it into 4Hi now and then while I'm driving down the> (straight) highway.
 Ditto!  :-)
 Dee Smith
 I Still do the same thing with my '86 Toyota 4Runner with manual hubs.
 I Definately Agree with Jeff!
 ADD is a major improvement, [w/ my '97 Tacoma (for me)]
 over manual hubs.
 No getting out to check/lock the hubs when I need 4wd.
 Just flip the lever and go.
 I'm not sure how much you'd have to pay me to go
 back to manual hubs, but I know it would be far more than $100. :)> Jeff Delzer> '94 SR5 V6 XtraCab with ADD hubs
 I Agree It Would be Alot More! :-)
 Regards,
 M.D. Smith, V
 aka "Dee Smith"    '86 4Runner, 22R EFI w/ "Automatic" also
 Huntsville, Alabama   '97 Tacoma extra cab 4WD 2.7L w/ ADD
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 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 11:53:11 -0600
 From: breeze@cysource.com (Jeffrey Delzer)
 Subject: Gotta Love My ADD Hubs! [ was, HUBS LOCKED...]
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 Dee Smith wrote:>> Jeffrey Delzer wrote:>>>> I periodically exercise the front drive line even though I have ADD>> hubs. I just toss it into 4Hi now and then while I'm driving down the>> (straight) highway.>>    Ditto!  :-)> Dee Smith>> I Still do the same thing with my '86 Toyota 4Runner with manual hubs.> I Definately Agree with Jeff!
 Thanks, Dee! I was starting to feel like the Lone Ranger out here. :)
 I'm glad someone else appreciates their ADD hubs as much as I do!
 Jeff Delzer
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 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 10:37:05 -0800
 From: Scott Rowin  Subject: Heater in 1st Gen 4 Runner
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 Had a unfortunate flood in my 4 Runner today.. looks like the heater
 core is leaking, filled up the passenger side pretty good -  nothing like
 hot antifreeze smells in the morning (thankfully there's a floor drain plug
 there).
 So looking around, the leak is over on the rear of the passenger
 side, and I'm wondering how the heater core was ever designed to be removed.
 The "bucket" containing the core & fan/ducting is pretty well jammed in
 there, and no book I've come across on the newer dash style 1st gen ('88)
 shows anything.  I'm guessing that the evaporator for the A/C will have to
 come out to let the heater unit be removed. Getting it out the drivers side
 looks like a real jam - doubtful it'd come out.
 Anyone have to mess with this yet, and how did you get it out?
 thanks, Scott
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 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 08:02:23 -0800
 From: "Don M. West"  Subject: Less than a week till Death Valley!
 To: Toyota 4x4 mailing list  Terry wrote:>When you're in Ridgecrest, if you see a black XCab with a black camper shell>and a winch stop by and introduce yourself.
 And if you see a black 94 reg cab with a black shell (uh, no winch, stock
 front bumper but tube rear)...that's me! Stop by and say hi, by all means!
 I'm also staying at the Econolodge, and I'm bringing the Nat'l Georgraphic
 "Trails Illustrated" map along with 6 or 8 (I fergit) USGS "official"
 quadrangles.
 I plan on leaving the South Bay Area around 10am, and haven't decided yet
 on my route to Hwy 5; I may go 25 to Coalinga and connect through there
 just for the ride. Anyway....those going, post times, routes and CB
 channels and maybe we can rendezvous along the road...otherwise see ya at
 Ridgecrest *;)
 Don
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 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 12:15:51 -0000
 From: oskare@vortex.is (Oskar Erlingsson)
 Subject: Locking hubs and on the fly 4wd
 To:  This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable>Scott wrote the Fri, 09 Jan 1998 If you've have a PRE-ADD truck, and have<=20
 auto or manual hubs... you DO have shift-on-the-fly capability (between =
 2H and 4H) when your hubs are LOCKED.=20>The pre-ADD trucks with auto hubs couldn't even go into 4WD at 2mph =
 with out some grinding.
>Scott wrote the Fri, 09 Jan 1998 =
 < =20
 I wrote the rest
>If you've have a PRE-ADD truck, and have< 
auto or manual hubs... you DO have shift-on-the-fly capability =
 (between 2H=20
 and 4H) when your hubs are LOCKED. 
>The pre-ADD trucks with auto hubs couldn't even go into 4WD at =
 2mph=20
 with out some grinding.< 
To engage auto hub (like manual hub) you have to come to complete =
 stop.=20
 Change position of the TC. shift stick to 4H and take off (of course on =
 manual=20
 hubs you go out side and change position on the hubs), after that you =
 can go=20
 between 2H and 4H on-the-fly, as long as you do no backwards travelling =
 in 2H,=20
 because that is the way the auto hubs disengages, (not a problem on the =
 manual=20
 ones).
A normal position on a manual or auto hub for the most of us should =
 bee=20
 FREE, (or disengaged).  
It should be in LOCKED or engaged position when we expect a need =
 for 4x4=20
 capability.
 
My best
Oskar=20
 Erlingsson
 
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 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 12:55:51 -0500
 From: matt877@juno.com (Matthew C Chapin)
 Subject: Midas= no good!
 To: toy4x4@tlca.org>By the way, in fairness too all the Midas guys that actually can
 and do a good job,
 specifically which midas 'screwed you over bad?' Subject: My diff size???
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 what is the size of my diff???? I drive a 86' xtra cab stand. bed with
 no lifts or lockers?
 I am wanting a locker but don't know how big my diff is.
 Thanks,
 Chris Austin Jr.
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 what is the size of my diff???? I drive a 86' xtra cab stand. bed with
 no lifts or lockers?

I am wanting a locker but don't know how big my diff is.
Thanks,

Chris Austin
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 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 12:23:53 -0800
 From: Brandon Miller  Subject: My diff size???
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 7.5 front, 8 rear
 Chris wrote:>  what is the size of my diff???? I drive a 86' xtra cab stand. bed> with no lifts or lockers?> I am wanting a locker but don't know how big my diff is.>> Thanks,> Chris Austin Jr.
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 Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 00:54:54 -0800
 From: Chris Geiger  Subject: My diff size???
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 It should be 8" in the rear and 7.5" in front
 Chris Geiger 93 4Runner http://geiger.mcl.ucsb.edu/offroad.html>  what is the size of my diff???? I drive a 86' xtra cab stand. bed> with no lifts or lockers?> I am wanting a locker but don't know how big my diff is.
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 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 10:08:17 -0800
 From: "Gerald Juiliano"  Subject: Poly bushings.
 To:  I got your message on the digest and thought I would share a little with
 you...
 I have poly EVERYWHERE. :-)  Mine was actually set up by the guys at Energy
 (I used to work with the R&D guys wife).  They even used my '90 as a
 prototype for the cab mount bushings they developed.  Anyway, I thought that
 was pretty nice of 'em...
 Pros:
 Stiffer parts. Less of that "loose feeling". You can gain just a little more
 control on the road.
 No need to worry about parts deteriorating too fast, although they can be
 cut up if you're not careful.  And they are resistant to soaps and solvents.
 Choice of colors...
 They're sold just about anywhere.
 Cons:
 They do get noisy and squeaky after a while.  If you have a zerk fitting on
 your control arms, spring eyes, then you can just use some white moly grease
 to lubricate them (I don't have those).
 Stiffer parts (I know I put them under Pros as well).  You might get a
 little less (not much though) travel and the ride might be a little
 bouncier.
 My overall impression is that I am happy with the setup I have.  So far, the
 only real complaint is the squeaking, but I've just been too lazy to do
 anything with them.  I like doing a little desert pre-running, so the
 stiffness actually helps me in the long run.  I don't generally like the
 twisty stuff or good trails that are very technically challenging.  That
 stuff is up to you.
 My .0005 after taxes worth.
 JR Juiliano
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 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 14:33:16 -0600
 From: Tim Norstad  Subject: Power Brake Booster
 To: toy4x4@tlca.org
 I have an 89 4Runner with power brakes.  Recently it has been colder (-2
 C). Now when I first start the vehicle cold, The brake pedal is
 extremely difficult to push down. After the vehicle warms up 5-10
 minutes, I have power brakes again.  I'm assuming I have a vacuum leak
 somewhere.  The vacuum line looks OK.  Is there a check valve somewhere
 in the system that could be sticking and leaking the vacuum to the brake
 booster?
 Thanks
 Tim
 tnorstad@pclink.com
 89 Toyota 4 Runner V6 Auto (Stock)
 81 Toyota Shortbed
 3" Skyjacker Softride
 33x12.50 Super Swamper TSL Radials
 Warn 5000 winch
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 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 12:39:53 -0800
 From: Jim Brink  Subject: Power Brake Booster
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 Tim Norstad wrote:>> I have an 89 4Runner with power brakes.  Recently it has been colder (-2>> C). Now when I first start the vehicle cold, The brake pedal is> extremely difficult to push down. After the vehicle warms up 5-10> minutes, I have power brakes again.  I'm assuming I have a vacuum leak> somewhere.  The vacuum line looks OK.
 Replace the check valve and hose from the intake manifold to the
 booster. There was a TSB many years ago in regards to this. The new part
 number should have superceeded the old one and any new parts would be of
 the latest revsion.
 BTW, did you ever get your OD problem resolved?
 - --
 Jim Brink--Toyota/ASE Certified Technician             '86 Std. Bed 22R
 Manhattan Beach, CA				   32x11.50/15 BFG M/Ts
 ToyTech@off-road.com
 http://geiger.mcl.ucsb.edu/jim/jim.html
 ************************************************************************
 TLCA# 6184/ Friends of the Mojave Road (FOMR)
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 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 10:11:15 -0800
 From: "Allen Jensen"  Subject: Powertrax no slip
 To:  Actually they have a new unit instead of the lock right. Four Wheeler Feb
 issue lists the new unit in the new equipment announcements section.
 Powertrax said they are using a new design that lets it run as an open diff
 until it engages, transferring 100% to the non spinning wheel. There's a
 picture of it at http://www.powertrax.com . They just released the first 6
 part numbers for sale. The 8" toyota size will not be available until April.
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 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 06:29:24 -0800
 From: Brandon Miller  Subject: Rubicon
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 Austin,
 I'm not sure if you said the Los Coyotes is part of the Rubicon or like it
 but they are over 8 hours apart, one is in Tahoe and the other is in S.D. I
 was up by the Rubicon last weekend and there was over 4 feet of snow, too
 much to be seeing any rocks.
 Jason Redman wrote:> Brandon Miller wrote:>>> Did you say Rubicon, cause that is under snow right now, thought the>> Los>> Coyote Indian Reservation was in San Diego?>> Yeah, there is snow up there (at least there was last weekend).  The Los> Coyote Indian Reservation is actually about 8 miles outside Warner> Springs, which is northeast of San Diego, and alot higher than sea> level.>> Austin Marriage> yeti@inetworld.net
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 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 13:33:12 -0700
 From: Herman Snodgrass  Subject: steering & ignition problems
 To: toy4x4@tlca.org
 Hello all,
 I had a couple of questions for you.  First a few days ago I had my tires
 rotated.  Now my truck seems to pull a little bit harder to the right.
 However it has done this since I got in last august. And it seems that the
 tread is wearing evenly.  I've heard people talking about this and would
 like to know if this is hard to fix.
 Second, on the same day I rotated my tires by ignition lock decided not to
 accept my key.  I could get the key in but it would not turn.  I have got
 it to work for the moment, but now there is a trick to getting the lock to
 rotate.  Should I replace the ignition lock?  Is that hard to do?
 TIA
 -Herman Snodgrass
 '86 toy X-tra cab w/ 22re
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 Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 01:00:24 -0800
 From: Chris Geiger  Subject: steering & ignition problems
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 If you truck is pulling to one side than you may need to get a front end alignment.
 For the locks get some graphite for the locks it comes in a spray or power form.
 I like the spray type. Just put a little in teh lock and work it in.
 Chris Geiger 93 4Runner http://geiger.mcl.ucsb.edu/offroad.html>         I had a couple of questions for you.  First a few days ago I had my tires> rotated.  Now my truck seems to pull a little bit harder to the right.>        Second, on the same day I rotated my tires by ignition lock decided not to> accept my key.
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 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 13:42:26 -0800
 From: "John M. Smith"  Subject: V6 Mods
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 I am new to this list but not new to Toyotas.  So if anyone is in So Cal
 and wants a ne 4x friend please let me know also I am wondeing if anyone
 has any input on how to squeeze more power out of the V6 (3.0 L)?  What
 have you done? What has worked and what is a waste of money? (<<