Toy4x4 Digest          Sat,  3 Jan 98 00:30:02 (HST)  Volume 1 : Issue 632
 Today's Topics:
 1998 Tacoma Opinions (4 msgs)
 86runner
 CLUTCH
 DynoMax + etc (2 msgs)
 For sale cheap!!!!!
 Head Gasket Fear (2 msgs)
 How many bananas for LSD install??
 Latest....Head gasket (long story)
 manual hubs
 new web page
 oh, ohh.... guess who has a web page up...?
 Possible Ban on ALL SUSPENSION MODS in Colorado
 Re-Wiring Factory TOYOTA Harness.... :-)
 stock wheel weight
 Transmission Identification (2 msgs)
 Transmission Rebuild
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 Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 15:39:06 -0700
 From: "Mark Y."  Subject: 1998 Tacoma Opinions
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 I'm looking for some opinions from 1998 Tacoma 4x4 owners. I currently
 own a 1993 Toyota 4x4 Extended Cab V6. It currently has 50k miles on it
 and the head gasket and timing chain were replaced at 45k. This was done
 free of charge after I received a notice from my dealer.
 I am thinking of selling this truck and buying a new 1998 Limited Tacoma.
 Trucks like mine are selling in Phoenix from 12,500 - 15,000 (according
 to Truck Trader). Edmunds retail is $14,410. My truck has 31" tires, A/C,
 CC, CD player, tint, auto locking hubs, and is an automatic. This truck
 is rock solid.
 I've looked at the 1998 Limited and really like this truck. The problem
 is, I've read some negative things concerning tranny shifting problems
 (I'm thinking of getting a 5 speed), dashboard rattles, and vibration
 problems. On the other hand Four Wheeler magazine awarded it their truck
 of the year.
 I realize that owners with problems are more vocal than owners without. I
 also take magazine reviews with a grain of salt. I would ask my dealer to
 let me have a 1998 for a couple of days to test drive. I've bought
 several autos from him and I don't think this would be a problem. So what
 do the 1998 Tacoma owners suggest I do. Keep the 1993 or buy the 1998?
 Thanks for any help you can offer.
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 Mark
 DbackFan@CyberDude.com
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 Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 17:46:08 -0500
 From: "David C. Inabinet"  Subject: 1998 Tacoma Opinions
 To:  Mark,
 I have a 97 V6 Xtra Cab 4x4 Tacoma and it has been great! Not the greatest
 on gas.. but lately I have been getting 19.5 mpg. which I think is pretty
 good. I have had NO problems with my Tacoma. BUT, I also had a 81 and a 89
 that I beat the hell out of and had zero problems with them too.
 Good Luck!
 Dave
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 From: Mark Y.  To: Toy4x4@tlca.org  Date: Friday, January 02, 1998 5:41 PM
 Subject: 1998 Tacoma Opinions>>I'm looking for some opinions from 1998 Tacoma 4x4 owners. I currently>own a 1993 Toyota 4x4 Extended Cab V6. It currently has 50k miles on it>and the head gasket and timing chain were replaced at 45k. This was done>free of charge after I received a notice from my dealer.>>I am thinking of selling this truck and buying a new 1998 Limited Tacoma.>Trucks like mine are selling in Phoenix from 12,500 - 15,000 (according>to Truck Trader). Edmunds retail is $14,410. My truck has 31" tires, A/C,>CC, CD player, tint, auto locking hubs, and is an automatic. This truck>is rock solid.>>I've looked at the 1998 Limited and really like this truck. The problem>is, I've read some negative things concerning tranny shifting problems>(I'm thinking of getting a 5 speed), dashboard rattles, and vibration>problems. On the other hand Four Wheeler magazine awarded it their truck>of the year.>>I realize that owners with problems are more vocal than owners without. I>also take magazine reviews with a grain of salt. I would ask my dealer to>let me have a 1998 for a couple of days to test drive. I've bought>several autos from him and I don't think this would be a problem. So what>do the 1998 Tacoma owners suggest I do. Keep the 1993 or buy the 1998?>>Thanks for any help you can offer.>>------------------>Mark>DbackFan@CyberDude.com
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 Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 15:43:08 -0700 (PDT)
 From: Ken Emanuel  Subject: 1998 Tacoma Opinions
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 On Fri, 2 Jan 1998, Mark Y. wrote:> I realize that owners with problems are more vocal than owners without. I> also take magazine reviews with a grain of salt. I would ask my dealer to> let me have a 1998 for a couple of days to test drive. I've bought> several autos from him and I don't think this would be a problem. So what> do the 1998 Tacoma owners suggest I do. Keep the 1993 or buy the 1998?> Being an owner of neither your style truck nor the Tacoma, I can say
 without biasing that I prefer the style truck you have to the Tacoma.
 The Tacoma has some advantages, it weighs almost 400 lbs less than
 your truck, with an additional 40 HP, has rack and pinion steering,
 more wheel travel, and a smoother ride.  However, your truck has
 far fewer complaints against it compared to the Tacoma.  The 3.0 V6
 IS quieter than the 3.4L, and the truck itself IS quieter.  Your
 torsion bar suspension has proven itself to be very rugged, many
 Tacoma owners complain of soft suspension and there is a TSB for
 the front and rear suspensions of Tacomas.  Also, the frame on Tacomas
 are not boxed behind the front mount of the rear leaf springs.
 Tacomas also have TSBs for noisy and unbalanced tires.  A friend
 at NUMMI said Tacomas have some General Motors parts on them to
 raise the Tacoma's U.S. content.  (aka the failing GM alternators
 in the Corollas), but I have no proof of this.
 The Tacoma is fun to drive because of the power to weight, but I
 feel that your generation truck is more refined and more reliable.
 (I think I am going to open a can of worms with this one.)  :-)
 Ken Emanuel
 87 Xtra Cab SR5
 http://webpages.csus.edu/~sac75830/toystuff.htm
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 Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 19:15:37 -0600 (CST)
 From: "Bruce Burden"  Subject: 1998 Tacoma Opinions
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org>>> I'm looking for some opinions from 1998 Tacoma 4x4 owners. I currently> Well, I have a '95 Taco with 45k miles on it. No dash rattles,
 although it does have a buzz somewhere near my left ear over some
 surfaces. The only vibration problems were out of balance tires,
 but note that the rack & pinion steering will provide more feedback
 and harmonic vibration over certain road surfaces. Until it was
 repaved, the interstate in front of my dealer did this :-)
 The TSB was to correct mainly under spec'd shocks on the
 early Taco. The change to more leaves in the rear springs was to
 soften the ride a bit - the early Taco's have a habit of jumping
 out from under the driver in turns with bumps. Still, I prefer
 that to the nose high attitudes I see some S-10's and Rangers
 displaying (granted  - I have no idea what they are carrying).
 Bruce
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 Bruce Burden            bruceb@isd.tandem.com         Tandem Computers Inc.
 512-432-8944            Network Verification          14231 Tandem Blvd.
 Auto answer(4 rings)                                  Austin, TX 78726
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 Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 16:44:22 -0800
 From: "Todd and Terry Steele"  Subject: 86runner
 To:  $700.00 dollars worth of extra parts at the very worst.
 Todd
 His:  87 Toyota 4X4, Marlin Tcase #180, EZ Lockers F/R, Custom rear bumper
 and nerfs, Ramsey F bumper, Trailmaster/Superlift 4", 30-11.50-15 TSL SX's
 on AR Type 23 15X8.  Custom Body by Sierra Nevada.
 Kevin Watters wrote:>I thought i would throw this out there to see if you guys thought it was>worth it for an 86 4runner, 175K,for   $700.00  Runs good but tranny bad,>cracked windshield,dings in body, haven't seen it yet but I'm guessing that>it is rough. For the price it sounded like a good fixer-upper.> ------------------------------
 Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 17:30:14 -0600
 From: breeze@cysource.com (Jeffrey Delzer)
 Subject: CLUTCH
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 Jason King wrote:>> Here is my question: has any one ever installed a clutch on a '95 4x4?> I am 80 miles from 50k and the throw out bearing is shot so I just going> to replace the whole clutch.>> Jason King
 Just curious, but why do you think the original throwout bearing lasted
 only 50K miles? Also, if it was defective maybe it's covered under
 warranty, perhaps?
 Jeff Delzer
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 Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 22:14:50 -0600
 From: motoplex@midsouthmotoplex.com (motoplex)
 Subject: DynoMax + etc
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 FYI, I phoned Summit Racing today and they said they no longer carry the
 DynoMax Super Turbo for the Toy. They suggested to phone DynoMax direct.
 Anyone have any alternative sources for the muffler? Also, while taking
 to a local distributor (www.hypertech-inc.com) about purchasing a K+N
 Performance kit he recommended a "Tornado Air Management System". The
 salesman said for under a $100.00 it would give the same performance, if
 not better as the K+N Perf kit. I have never heard of this item. It
 appears to be some sort of fan that installs between the air box and
 throttle body inside of the air intake tube. Anyone have any comments on
 this?
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 FYI, I phoned Summit Racing today and they said they no longer carry the
 DynoMax Super Turbo for the Toy. They suggested to phone DynoMax direct.
 Anyone have any alternative sources for the muffler? Also, while taking
 to a local distributor (
www.hypertech-inc.com)
 about purchasing a K+N Performance kit he recommended a "Tornado Air Management
 System". The salesman said for under a $100.00 it would give the same performance,
 if not better as the K+N Perf kit. I have never heard of this item. It
 appears to be some sort of fan that installs between the air box and throttle
 body inside of the air intake tube. Anyone have any comments on this?
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 Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 22:38:02 -0600
 From: motoplex@midsouthmotoplex.com (motoplex)
 Subject: DynoMax + etc
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 After doing a little looking on the web I came up with this url:
 http://www.buz.net/tornado/
 All a search of Deja News came up with is some sort of lawsuit between
 Air Management Systems and these people over product rights:
 http://web.idirect.com/~spiralma/index.html
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 Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 22:11:22 -0500
 From: Sheldon  Subject: For sale cheap!!!!!
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 OKay since I now have a nice 92 tranny in my ole 83 I don't want my
 Downey 2 piece TH350 adapter. So 100.00 bucks plus ship get,s it U.P.S.
 cod.
 Sheldon
 sgard@flnet
 btw I have sold stuff to others on this list and I'm sure they will
 vouch that I'm for real so not too worry.
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 Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 19:27:51 -0800
 From: Bakerjones  Subject: Head Gasket Fear
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 If the head gasket on my '96 4Runner fails, will it be without warning?
 Will I be stranded?
 pbj
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 Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 00:35:16 -0600 (CST)
 From: "Bruce Burden"  Subject: Head Gasket Fear
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org>> If the head gasket on my '96 4Runner fails, will it be without warning?>  Will I be stranded?> Ummm, with the 3.4L, right? Be that so, no, you won't
 be stranded, as I understand it. Yes, there will be signs.
 The 3.4L developes leaks (if it will!) at the back of the
 cylinder head. Since (apparently) all of the leaks have been
 external, you will start to see a redish splotch under the
 vehicle when it is parked. Also, as it is an external leak,
 it won't damage the motor (as long as you catch it, and do
 NOT run it out of water (-: ). Anti-freeze inside the motor
 is a Bad Thing(tm), but an external leak simply tends to be
 a bit messy (and smelly).
 Bruce
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 Bruce Burden            bruceb@isd.tandem.com         Tandem Computers Inc.
 512-432-8944            Network Verification          14231 Tandem Blvd.
 Auto answer(4 rings)                                  Austin, TX 78726
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 Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 04:25:36 EST
 From: JOEMAMA135  Subject: How many bananas for LSD install??
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 I am getting ready to purchase a limited slip diff.  for the rear of my 93 V6.
 I was wondering how many bananas you think(or know) it is?  I think I want the
 Detroit Tru-Trac but I just heard from somebody on this list that there is
 also a TRD LSD out there, and It's only $300!!!  Can this be true?  What
 install and set up parts will we need?  Can someone explain the basic steps we
 will have to go through to finish without too many headaches,  nothing
 detailed,  just so we will have an idea of what to expect.
 Thank you very much
 Joemama135@aol.com
 Oh yeah.. I would consider installing the Pro-Comp Stage 2 lift about a 2 or
 2.5 banana job,  on a scale of 1-5
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 Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 16:42:30 -0800
 From: "Todd and Terry Steele"  Subject: Latest....Head gasket (long story)
 To:  Scott Wilson wrote:
>Here's what I chose to do...>-replace H20 pump>-replace thermostat>   (I some of you will get a kick outta that one :-)>-replace belts>-crankseal>-do the valves>-replace rings & bearing, hone cylinder>-distributer O-ring>-replace fuel pump dampener>-idler/tensioner, timing belt>-oil pump (if they end up decking the block)>-new plugs>-new radiator hoses
 Well Scott,  Make sure they give you all of them old parts.  Never know when
 one of them would come in handy on a trail someday.
 Todd
 His:  87 Toyota 4X4, Marlin Tcase #180, EZ Lockers F/R, Custom rear bumper
 and nerfs, Ramsey F bumper, Trailmaster/Superlift 4", 30-11.50-15 TSL SX's
 on AR Type 23 15X8.  Custom Body by Sierra Nevada.
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 Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 22:19:22 -0500
 From: Dean Baggs  Subject: manual hubs
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 I have a 96 Tacoma with ADD and I would like to convert to manual hubs.
 Has anyone done this?
 Some Tacoma's have manual hubs so maybe I can get Toyota parts to do it.
 Any Suggestions?
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 Dean Baggs
 Http://www.csolve.net/~cokeman
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 I have a 96 Tacoma with ADD and I would like to convert to manual hubs.
 Has anyone done this?

Some Tacoma's have manual hubs so maybe I can get Toyota parts to do
 it. Any Suggestions?

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Dean Baggs


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 Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 20:38:53 -0700
 From: Tony Bartlett  Subject: new web page
 To: Toy4x4  Jeff, if you post your address with http:// in front of the www we will
 be able to double click on it for a direct link instead of having to
 type it in.
 Tony
 http://www.digitalpla.net/~offroader
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 Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 01:41:27 -8 GMT
 From: "Leo G. Divinagracia III"  Subject: oh, ohh.... guess who has a web page up...?
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 try www.northwestoffroad.com
 wonder if they have a complaints page???
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 Leo G. Divinagracia III
 ldivinag@csuhayward.edu
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 Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 17:41:46 -0600
 From: breeze@cysource.com (Jeffrey Delzer)
 Subject: Possible Ban on ALL SUSPENSION MODS in Colorado
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 Charles Brooks wrote:>> Hey everybody go check this out>> http://www.sema.org/consumer/fedleg/stateredhot/coloradosuspension.html>> This can't be for real can it?!?! Alright Jeff, Howdja do it?!?!  ;)>> Charles Brooks
 Charles,
 If you're referring to me, the answer is simple: I have friends in low
 places. ;)
 Jeff Delzer
 Founding member, B.A.S.M.
 Colorado first, then we go nationwide...
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 Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 22:33:00 -0800
 From: Dee Smith  Subject: Re-Wiring Factory TOYOTA Harness.... :-)
 To: toy4x4@tlca.org
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 Fri, 2 Jan 1998 22:28:51 -0600 (CST)
 Message-ID: <34ADDA53.43FB@hiwaay.net> Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 22:27:31 -0800
 From: Dee Smith  Reply-To: deesmith@hiwaay.net
 Organization: hiwaay.net
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 Hi there to all!  :-)
 For anyone who has ventured to Re-Wire / Factory Wiring
 Harness "Attachments" back to your wiring harness, I "Salute"
 You! :-)
 It A'int easy!  I just finished Re-Wiring the "Indicator Lamp"
 assy. that lets you know when the "Overdrive is OFF" it is
 located on the Radio Trim Panel, just below the Cigarette lighter
 on my 1986 Toyota 4Runner. The previous Owner "elected" to cut
 the old plug! :-(
 So, a trip to the "Bone Yard" and $6.00 bucks later, plus Cuts,
 Scratches, Pains in the Back, Neck, Hands, etcetra. Whew,
 Okay, I'll agree with another list member, "Wiring Can Be Good
 For You!"
 Yeah, It will teach you paitence, endurance, Stamena and a knowledge
 of your trucks wiring that you didn't prevously have.  :-)
 Thank You all who have helped me on my "Quest" in Re-Furbishing my
 '86 4Runner.
 With Special thanks but Not limited to: Jim Brink, Ed Ruf, Jack Alford,
 Mark Cairns, Brandon Miller, Scott Wilson, and Many others!
 Since 12-MAR-97 when I bought my 4Runner, I have "Valued" everyones'
 input from this list, and the times that I have "applied" what I have
 read from this list Have saved Time & Money!  :-)
 So Thank You All Again!  Now my 4Runner is approaching "Showroom"
 Condition! Then, I start with the "Rock Crawling" Mods! :-)
 Sincerely,
 M.D. Smith, V     '86 4Runner 22R EFI w/ "Automatic" transmission
 aka "Dee Smith"         239,500 origional miles!
 Huntsville, Alabama
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 Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 01:23:32 -0600 (CST)
 From: Jackson Wong  Subject: stock wheel weight
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 Anybody out there knows the weight of a stock chrome wheel for 87
 4Runner SR5?  Thanks.
 Regards,
 Jackson
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 Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 18:21:19 -0700
 From: daves8@juno.com (DAVE SCHOENBERG)
 Subject: Transmission Identification
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 Brandon,
 The 5-speed came out in 1981, was not original in the '80's at all.  This
 trans was used from 1981 to 1983 (first part of year) and had a one-piece
 case.  The replacement trans with bigger bearings came out in 1983-1/2,
 and had a separate bellhousing.
 So, bad trans early '83, good trans late '83-- two different
 transmissions in 1983.  Only the late trans had the larger bearings.
 Pretty sure this is right, as usual I defer to Jim and Jay, et al.
 Dave Schoenberg, Arvada, Colorado-----Who else gives advice like this???
 '81 Toy/'86 EFI engine/5-spd/xfer--an' I did it all myself, with NO
 Liquid Nails!!
 Brakes and heater both work exceedingly well, thank you.
 DaveS8@Juno.com
 On Thu, 01 Jan 1998 20:42:21 -0800 Brandon Miller  writes:>I don't hink you can tell without pulling it....  Pretty sure all of the
 83's>have the larger bearing, the 80 has the smaller bearing unless yours was>switched out.>>DAVE SCHOENBERG wrote:>>> The infamous 81-82-83 5-speed has a one-piece case-- the bell housing
 is>> part of the trans case.  The 83-1/2 good one has a separate
 bellhousing.
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 Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 22:48:18 -0800
 From: Brandon Miller  Subject: Transmission Identification
 To: DAVE SCHOENBERG  I KNOW I have the larger bearing and mine is a one piece, Marlin is the man
 on this stuff and he checked out mine.
 DAVE SCHOENBERG wrote:> Brandon,> The 5-speed came out in 1981, was not original in the '80's at all.  This> trans was used from 1981 to 1983 (first part of year) and had a one-piece> case.  The replacement trans with bigger bearings came out in 1983-1/2,> and had a separate bellhousing.>> So, bad trans early '83, good trans late '83-- two different> transmissions in 1983.  Only the late trans had the larger bearings.>> Pretty sure this is right, as usual I defer to Jim and Jay, et al.>> Dave Schoenberg, Arvada, Colorado-----Who else gives advice like this???> '81 Toy/'86 EFI engine/5-spd/xfer--an' I did it all myself, with NO> Liquid Nails!!> Brakes and heater both work exceedingly well, thank you.> DaveS8@Juno.com>> On Thu, 01 Jan 1998 20:42:21 -0800 Brandon Miller > writes:>>I don't hink you can tell without pulling it....  Pretty sure all of the> 83's>>have the larger bearing, the 80 has the smaller bearing unless yours was>>switched out.>>>>DAVE SCHOENBERG wrote:>>>>> The infamous 81-82-83 5-speed has a one-piece case-- the bell housing> is>>> part of the trans case.  The 83-1/2 good one has a separate> bellhousing.
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 Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 21:45:31 -0600
 From: t1der  Subject: Transmission Rebuild
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 I'm in the middle of rebuilding my 86 5speed and had to give my local
 dealer, Bill Penny Toyota in Huntsville, AL, a plug.  I had to go in to
 get the bearings so I thought I take the shafts and counter cluster to
 see if they'd replace the bearings (I don't have access to a press).
 They seemed to get a kick out of a guy bringing in his disassembled
 transmission in a cardboard box.  The shop supervisor ( I guess), Gary,
 replaced all the bearings for 55 bucks labor and was happy to answer
 questions.  It saved me from having to hunt for a press or another shop
 that would do the work.
 Mike Tolliver
 t1der@bellsouth.net
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