Toy4x4 Digest Fri, 5 Dec 97 00:30:02 (HST) Volume 1 : Issue 577
Today's Topics:
1987 Toyota factory service manuals
22r, 20r head and What year is this motor??
5th Annual Death Valley Run
Administriva - list outage
Bio (4 msgs)
cat back systems(mufflers) (2 msgs)
Larger Tires (2 msgs)
Other switchable lockers besides ARB (2 msgs)
PCV Valve. (2 msgs)
R & P Swap
Steering box
Thanks Jack (2 msgs)
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Vacuum Diaphram/Solenoid Valve
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Date: 4 Dec 1997 17:01:36 U
From: "Jay Kopycinski" Subject: 1987 Toyota factory service manuals
To: "Toyota 4x4 List" Subject: Time: 4:58 PM
OFFICE MEMO 1987 Toyota factory service manuals Date: 12/4/97
Found this and thought someone might be interested.......... Jay
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Truck & 4Runner, 1987 Repair Manual
Truck & 4Runner, Electrical Wiring Diagram, 1987 Model.
Although the repair manual includes several fold-out wiring
diagrams, I assume this additional booklet (88 pgs. + several
fold-out diagrams) offers greater detail.
Both in great shape, no rips (given my admittedly brief examination),
no grease.
Repair Manual sells new for $105.22 (it's a BEAST)
Electrical Wiring Diagram sells new for $12.88.
$50+ ship. for the pair.
Ethan Emeson ------------------------------
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 17:09:28 -0800
From: Jim Brink Subject: 22r, 20r head and What year is this motor??
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
Jonathan Albrecht wrote:>> Looking at these numbers it is definitely from an '84 truck (the block>> at least is).>> Really? How can you tell? The main number that confused me was the> '20'. I figured that it'd be a 22 (for 22r).. but maybe it's just a> coincidence.
Nope, it is a 22R. That number is the original part number for a 22R
block. The '20' indicates that it is an '84. Blocks of a later
manufacturing date will have higher numbers such as 50 or 53, 60, etc.
There should be a milled pad on the block near the dipstick that will
have 22R stamped on it, no other numbers.
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Jim Brink--Toyota/ASE Certified Technician '86 Std. Bed 22R
Manhattan Beach, CA 32x11.50/15 BFG M/Ts
brinkjm@earthlink.net
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Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 21:45:49 -0800
From: "Sandy and Terry" Subject: 5th Annual Death Valley Run
To: For the past few years a group from work has been making an annual trek to
Death Valley. Some of these folks have moved on and left the area. I
wanted to post the trip to the "list" to see if we can get a few more
vehicles for this year. This is a good family run. The trails are easy and
suitable for stock rigs (except for one trail which may be a side trip this
year.) We will be staying in motels so bring the wife and kids. The trip
will offer lots of beautiful scenery and exploration of ghost towns and
mines.
When: Martin Luther King weekend January 16-19th.
Why January? It is a great time to visit Death Valley and some
people get Monday off (insert smile.)
Below is the tentative itinerary:
Friday - Travel day to the rendevous point. The Econo Lodge in Ridgecrest,
CA will be the meeting place. From the Bay Area it is about a 6 - 7 hour
drive. From the South land it will be much shorter. I plan to leave the
Bay Area around noon (1/2 off from work) and arrive in the evening.
Saturday - Leave Ridgecrest early. Much of Saturday will actually be spent
in Panamint Valley.
1st stop - Ballarat ghost town and meet "Ballarat" Don the mayor, sheriff,
postmaster and only resident of Ballarat. There is a general store with
maps of the area and other neat stuff including pictures of Surprise Canyon.
There is also the only flushing toilet in the area.
2nd stop - The (in)famous Surprise Canyon. No we are not going up to the
top only to the first waterfall. Some landowner has been trying to close the
canyon. Does anyone know if Surprise is open or closed? (Last year
Ballarat Don said it was open but there were signs saying it was closed.)
If it is closed we will continue on.
3rd stop - Travel south and enter Death Valley through Goler Wash. There is
a lot to see along this trail. One interesting site is Barker Ranch where
Charles Manson was captured. There are also a few mines in the area.
Once we are on the main road we will head for the small town of Beatty, NV a
nd spend the night at one of the small hotel/casinos. For the venturesome
you can try your luck at the tables and slot machines.
Sunday - Leave Beatty
1st trail - Titus Canyon. This trail is awesome in its beauty and rich with
history. There is the town and story of Leadfield and its ruins, the
colorful vistas, and at the end of the trail the high canyon walls.
Next - This is where we have two options and may split up into two groups.
One group head for Scotty's castle and the Ubehebe Crater. 2nd group would
be those who want to try a more difficult trail up Echo Canyon. To do this
trail a traction device (locker or LSD) is recommended. There is at least
one challenging spot on this trail.
After, the two groups will head for Lone Pine, CA. (Those who live in
Southern CA can opt to head home.) We will spend the night in Lone Pine.
Monday - travel home.
Sorry for the long post but in the past this has been a great run. If you
are from the Bay Area you can expect around trip of about 1,000 miles.
Some items to bring - camera and lots of film, extra gas (haven't needed any
yet), water.
Those who are interested email me directly and I will send you address and
phone #'s for the motels. I'll also keep track of who is all going.
Terry Johnson
santer@ix.netcom.com
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Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 16:14:42 -0800
From: "Vic & Lorelei" Subject: Administriva - list outage
To: "Toy4x4 List" Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 09:29:21 -0600
From: Jack Alford Subject: Administriva - list outage
To: For all of you in digest mode who haven't figured out that there really
wasn't 'No digest traffic' or whatever the message said, there was a problem
with the list software and no digests were generated for almost a week.
Please don't write me and ask if I've got such and such message from
a thread that was going on during that time because I don't.
If you have a problem with the fact that this list didn't go out for almost
a week,
write me personally and I'll give you this thankless job and let you get
the several hundred stupid, cursing, ranting, and raving emails I get every
week from the plethora of idiots that are always trying to either get on or
off this list.
Jack Alford
Administrator
Hello all,
I think Jack has a good point, we really do not give him any credit. I
personally wold like to thank him for the wonderful job he has been doing. I
would not like to do it. =8-) And what does he get out of it anyway?
Dealing with people who cant read is not one of my good points. If we all
could read there would not be a problem.
This is just my thoughts on this, Thanx Jack!! Keep up the good work
=8-)
Victor Sery
http://www.cnx.net/~vsery/
vsery@cnx.net
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Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 21:45:55 -0500
From: Jim Correia Subject: Bio
To: toy4x4@tlca.org
Name: Jim Correia
City & State: Acton, MA
Country: USA
E-mail address: correia@barebones.com
Toyota (s) year & model: 98 Tacoma Limited TRD Offroad
Are you a TLCA Member (Y/N/Number?): N
Age: 24
Occupation: Software Engineer
Marital Status: Single
Hobbies: Skiing, Brewing
How did you find out about the Toyota 4x4 Mailing List: Found it thru a WWW
search
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Jim Correia Bare Bones Software, Inc.
correia@barebones.com ------------------------------
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 21:44:49 -0600
From: Michael Woodruff Subject: Bio
To: Toy4x4 At 04:46 PM 12/4/97 -1000, you wrote:>Personal Bio Info>>POST TO THE LIST ONLY>> toy4x4@tlca.org>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++>>Name:michael woodruff>>City & State:fort worth, tx>>Country:usa>>E-mail address:michaelwoodruff@mindspring.com>>Toyota (s) year & model:95 V6 4runner>>Are you a TLCA Member (Y/N/Number?):no>>Age:27>>Occupation:paramedic>>Marital Status:married>>Hobbies:firearms, 4wheeling, anything in the mountains!>>How did you find out about the Toyota 4x4 Mailing List:>off road.com>General info about your vehicle, self, etc.:>5spd., downey air breather, downey 1 1/2" lift to rear end> ------------------------------
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 20:48:11 MDT -0600
From: ggibb@msu.oscs.montana.edu
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From: Toy4x4-Request Reply-To: Toy4x4 Subject: Bio
Personal Bio Info
POST TO THE LIST ONLY>> toy4x4@tlca.org
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Name:GEOFF J GIBB
City & State:BOZEMAN, MONTANA
Country:USA
E-mail address:GGIBB@MONTANA.EDU
Toyota (s) year & model:85' L/B P/U
Are you a TLCA Member (Y/N/Number?): 5434
Age:25
Occupation:GRADUATE STUDENT
Marital Status:SINGLE
Hobbies:FOUR WHEELING, SHOOTING, MTN. BIKING, MOST ANY THING OUTDOORS
How did you find out about the Toyota 4x4 Mailing List:TLCA
General info about your vehicle, self, etc.:85' L/B P/U/ 3" SOFT RIDE, 2" BODY LIFT,
4.88 GEARS, ARB F/R, 33" TIRES, MARLIN 4.70 CRAWLER, CUSTOM BUMPERS AND NERF
BARS, WARN XD9000 WINCH, 89 TOYOTA EFI TRUCK TRANSMISSION, CENTERFORCE
CLUTCH W/ HEAVY FLY WHEEL, ENGINE STOCK WITH DOUG THORELY HEADDERS, 2"
EXHAUST AND JACOBS IGNITION
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Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 22:02:42 -0600 (CST)
From: William T Wehrheim Subject: Bio
To: Toy4x4 On Thu, 4 Dec 1997, Toy4x4-Request wrote:> Personal Bio Info>> POST TO THE LIST ONLY>> toy4x4@tlca.org> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++>> Name:Bill Wehrheim>> City & State: Grand Forks, ND>> Country:USA>> E-mail address:wehrheim@plains.nodak.edu>> Toyota (s) year & model:1985 Short Box, Regular Cab>> Are you a TLCA Member (Y/N/Number?):n>> Age:21>> Occupation:Tire Tech/Student>> Marital Status:Single>> Hobbies:Anything with Acceleration>> How did you find out about the Toyota 4x4 Mailing List:OFF Road>> General info about your vehicle, self, etc.: I like the outdoors and
I'm a pilot, I also like off road vehicles, dirt bikes, street bikes,
fast cars, ATV's, jet skis, and the smell of jet fuel in the morning.>> ------------------------------
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 23:30:34 -0700
From: Herman Snodgrass Subject: cat back systems(mufflers)
To: toy4x4@tlca.org
Hello all,
I have stock muffler that has decided to give up the ghost and am thinking
about an aftermarket exhaust. The question I have is about the noise some
make. I've heard some exhausts that are a bit loud and sound as if someone
tried to make a inline 4 or v-6 sound like a 302 or something. I would
like a exhaust system that will give a decent power boost and keep the
noise from being overbearing. Is this a reality?
TIA
Herman Snodgrass
'86 toyota 4x4 w/ 31's
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Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 00:25:08 -0800
From: Ken Emanuel Subject: cat back systems(mufflers)
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
Herman Snodgrass wrote:>> Hello all,> I have stock muffler that has decided to give up the ghost and am thinking> about an aftermarket exhaust. The question I have is about the noise some> make. I've heard some exhausts that are a bit loud and sound as if someone> tried to make a inline 4 or v-6 sound like a 302 or something. I would> like a exhaust system that will give a decent power boost and keep the> noise from being overbearing. Is this a reality?
I just went to a new custom exhaust system on my truck (22R-E). I
decided
to go with 1.75" exhaust because SOMETIMES (with emphasis on the
SOMETIMES)
2" exhaust on a 4 cylinder will make popping sounds when decelerating
and
the engine is at lower RPMs. I used a Dynomax muffler. It definately
has
more power than it used to, but mainly because my old exhaust pipe had
some
bad bends in it. The best thing though is the sound. It's 1 db louder
than
stock, which isn't at all noticeable inside, but it sounds a little
deeper
and better outside. It also doesn't making popping sounds when
decelerating.
I am very happy with this new system.
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Ken Emanuel Emanuel@csus.edu
'87 Xtra Cab SR5 (22R-E)
http://webpages.csus.edu/~sac75830/toystuff.htm
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Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 20:50:57 -0500
From: seth45@juno.com (Seth D Lavinder)
Subject: Larger Tires
To: toy4x4@tlca.org
I know that this question has been asked 1million times at least on this
list but the subject of upgrading to larger tires is on my mind right
now.
I have read on the off-road.com toy page all the tech stuff on r&p and
lockers,diffs etc. It sounds to me like I would have to re-gear at a min
cost of $1500.00 and then the large tires would cost about $500.00
mounted and balanced. All of this to obtain an inch or so of clearence.
Im starting to wonder if I would be better to sell my truck and try and
find a V6 XtraCab????
I wanted a V6 from the start, and in my area it seems like REGARDLESS of
V6 or 22RE that ALL TOYS setup higher than my truck.
My skid plate under the front end says that I need a couple more inches
of clearence. I was considering not going farther than 30x9.5 tires but
it seems like the standard thing for local toys is 31x10.5 with a few
with 32's. These are all stock trucks.
What are the technical differences of a Toy that came OEM with 31" tires?
vs a 4cyl Regular cab 5spd 4x4
I cant remember who right off hand but there was another guy on here
talking about his 4.10 4cyl stock truck with 31 tires and having NO POWER
on the highway. I dont wanna be in that boat.
Seth Lavinder
1993 Toy 4x4 Regular Cab PU
22RE Currently Running BRIDGESTONE DUELER P225/75R15 tires on stock toy
steel rims
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Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 23:22:05 -0800
From: Brandon Miller Subject: Larger Tires
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
You don't have to pay $1500 for gears, I got mine (front and rear) for
about $400 from 4wheel Parts and had them installed for $100, but I
removed the dropouts. Total investment about $500, and well worth it.
On the other side, if you get a set of tires mounted and balanced for
$500 you are doing pretty good. I ran 31's for a while with stock gears
and there was a bit of difference but if you know someone with 31's they
might let you borrow them so that you can see for yourself.
By the way you can expect to pay more for labor on the IFS, it is more
work to remove the front third member, but $1500 is still a bit steep..
http://gaia.ecs.csus.edu/~millerb/4x.html
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Sacramento, CA millerb@gaia.ecs.csus.edu
url:
http://gaia.ecs.csus.edu/~millerb
TLCA #6013>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 18:27:50 -0700
From: "Will Watt" Subject: Other switchable lockers besides ARB
To: Does anyone know of another "cab controllable" locker besides ARB? I'm in
the market for a locker but I want to be able to run open sometimes because
up here in Montana the roads get icy and stay that way for months. I'm
scared that a Detroit locker will make me break traction cornering on an icy
hwy, but I need it to get thru the gumbo mud in the spring and the mountain
rocks in the summer after the snow melts. I think I would prefer a locker
over an LSD for the superior mud and deep snow traction. Any suggestions?
Thanks,
Will Watt
frk4sno@mcn.net
87 4runner 22RE, K&N, Downey header, 31" Super Diggers
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Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 23:20:31 -0600 (CST)
From: "Bruce Burden" Subject: Other switchable lockers besides ARB
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org>> Does anyone know of another "cab controllable" locker besides ARB? I'm in> Currently ARB is the only aftermarket controllable locker.
Powertrax (1-800-LOCKERS) has *announced* electric lockers
(Command Lockers), but this has been "back burnered" due to
the squabbling between PowerTrax and the Detroit people with
respect to the LockRight/EZ-Locker battle.
So, in short, don't count on PowerTrax to do anything soon,
but give them a call on their nickle (dime!) and *maybe* they
will get the hint they are losing sales.
Bruce
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Bruce Burden bruceb@isd.tandem.com Tandem Computers Inc.
512-432-8944 Network Verification 14231 Tandem Blvd.
Auto answer(4 rings) Austin, TX 78726
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Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 16:56:24 -0500
From: "Bouganim, Jeff" Subject: PCV Valve.
To: "'Toyota List'" I'm not sure if my message got in from last week and I didn't
receive any digests since then. Below is my message again. sorry if it
is a repeat.> Here's a dumb question. I have a 95 4runner with 6cyl. engine. Was> doing tune up...couldn't find PCV Valve. Engine has hose which is> connected to the valve cover case directly without PCV Valve. Is> there supposed to be a valve on this year's engine? It's a Canadian> Vehicle so I though maybe that has something to do with it?> ------------------------------
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 15:31:24 -0800
From: Scott Wilson Subject: PCV Valve.
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
Bouganim, Jeff wrote:>> Here's a dumb question. I have a 95 4runner with 6cyl. engine. Was>> doing tune up...couldn't find PCV Valve. Engine has hose which is>> connected to the valve cover case directly without PCV Valve. Is>> there supposed to be a valve on this year's engine? It's a Canadian>> Vehicle so I though maybe that has something to do with it?
Not a dumb question Jeff. The PCV is very hard to find on the 3.0
V6. Turns out it's under the intake stuff on the passenger side of the
engine. I managed to change my with a LONG pair of needle nose pliers,
and a long screwdriver. I also had to disconnect all the hoses, and one
bracket to get enough room in there to work on it.
Have fun...I still have a small scar on my hand from doing mine! :-)
Scott
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/_/_|_\__ Scott Wilson TLCA #5261 CA4WDC #13393
| _ _ : 88 4Runner SR5 V6
*/_\---/_\' Santa Clara, CA
(_) (_) http://www.off-road.com/~swilson
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Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 21:55:03 -0500
From: Chris Caldwell Subject: R & P Swap
To: 4x4 digest Hey Sheldon, I was just curious as to why you are going from the 4.88's
down to the 4.10's?
Chris Caldwell
caldwell@vol.com
(95.5 Tacoma Xcab 4x4 V6, TJM Bullbar, K&N, Rear Lock-right)
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Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 22:11:33 -0600
From: breeze@cysource.com (Jeffrey Delzer)
Subject: Steering box
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
Scott Hollister wrote:>> I heard somewhere that the steering box can be adjusted for play. How does> one do this? I have some slop in my steering, but the tie rod ends are> fine. So is the draglink. This is on an 84 pickup.> Thanks> Scott
I've done this on my (ex's) '85 Toy. There's an adjustment on the top of
the steering box, held tight with a locknut. Loosen the locknut, tighten
the bolt to the proper amount of steering freeplay, (I measured at the
steering wheel), then tighten the locknut again. 5-10 minute job, if
that.
Jeff Delzer
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Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 15:23:10 -0800
From: Barney McNamara Subject: Thanks Jack
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org, Toy4x4-request@tlca.org
Jack wrote:>If you have a problem with the fact that this list didn't go out for almost>a week, write me personally and I'll give you this thankless job and let you>get the several hundred stupid, cursing, ranting, and raving emails I get>every week from the plethora of idiots that are always trying to either get>on or off this list.
I would like to say thank you very much to Jack personally for his
administration of the list. I enjoy reading it, have learned a lot
about my truck, gotten some very valuable help, and made a few new
friends, all due to the sharing of info on this list. Thanks are also
due to Off-road.com for providing the computer resources that are the
mechanical backbone of this service.
I guessed that there was a mechanical problem in the system, and missed
the digests while they were not coming. That just reminded me how lucky
we are to have the volunteers, like Jack, who put in the time required
to support this public discussion platform.
______________________________________________________________
Barney McNamara JENNY - 83 Toyota Short Bed
( barney@flowpoint.com ) stock 22R motor ; 3" body lift
Santa Cruz, Ca. 8" alloy rims; 31" BFG A/Ts
homepage: http://www.scruz.net/~barneym/barnhome.htm
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Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 19:30:39 -0500
From: Scott Hollister Subject: Thanks Jack
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org>>I would like to say thank you very much to Jack personally for his>administration of the list. I enjoy reading it, have learned a lot>about my truck, gotten some very valuable help, and made a few new>friends, all due to the sharing of info on this list. Thanks are also>due to Off-road.com for providing the computer resources that are the>mechanical backbone of this service.>>I guessed that there was a mechanical problem in the system, and missed>the digests while they were not coming. That just reminded me how lucky>we are to have the volunteers, like Jack, who put in the time required>to support this public discussion platform.>______________________________________________________________>Barney McNamara JENNY - 83 Toyota Short Bed>( barney@flowpoint.com ) stock 22R motor ; 3" body lift>Santa Cruz, Ca. 8" alloy rims; 31" BFG A/Ts>homepage: http://www.scruz.net/~barneym/barnhome.htm>______________________________________________________________>>>Very well said. Thanks alot, Jack.
Scott
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Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 18:17:51 -0500
From: "Brady Beck" Subject: Unsubscribe
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
We will be moving in the next few days and would like you to remove our
name from your list.
Brady Beck
kbbeck@alltel.net
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Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 17:03:25 -0700
From: gwking@senior-express.com (Gene W. King)
Subject: Vacuum Diaphram/Solenoid Valve
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hate to have to pay the exorbitant prices that Toyota wants.
Just email me with your phone number and we'll talk.
Thanks,
Gene W. King
gwking@senior-express.com
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