Toy4x4 Digest          Thu, 20 Feb 97 00:30:03 (HST)  Volume 1 : Issue  77
 Today's Topics:
 91 4Runner exhaust upgrade (3 msgs)
 ARB Australia
 Aux electric fan on FJ60
 Bio (6 msgs)
 cheap clutch
 clutches
 clutch replacement
 engine computer
 Exhaust mods
 Forerunner Tranny
 Last call for Hollister tri
 Leaky Clutch Flex Hose
 Suggestions for Clutch
 Toy4x4 Digest V1 #76 (3 msgs)
 Toyota 4x4's rule
 traction bars
 Unsubscribe
 V6 reliability (6 msgs)
 Weaker Gears
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 Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 22:38:17 -0800
 From: Matthew Barker  Subject: 91 4Runner exhaust upgrade
 To: "Toyota 4x4's" > I am considering upgrading the exhaust system on my 1991 4runner. I don't> want to spend the $$$ for a borla system. I was thinking of just replacing> the muffler with a high-performance one.>> Has anyone done this before? What muffler should I use? (A part number would> be nice! :)>> Thanks!>> Jared Rogers> 1989 Toyota 4x4 DX X-CAB V6> 1990 Toyota Celica GT-S> 1991 Toyota 4runner SR5 4WD V6> Hi, I put a Flowmaster muffler (part # 42451) on my 91 4Runner about 4
 months
 ago.  It will run you about $50-60 from Summit.  It is a 3 chamber
 muffler
 that provides a slightly louder than stock sound.  Installation cost me
 40$ at
 midas.  According to Flowmastmer the 42451 is the muffler for the 91
 4Runner v6,
 but the guy at midas had to use an extension pipe because the flowmaster
 muffler
 is a bit shorter that that huge can toyota uses.  So far there's been
 slight discoloration but this is common.  If you have the money, I'd say
 go for the Borla, I think it's worth it in the long run.  Good luck.
 Matt Barker
 ------------------------------
 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 17:24:09 -0600
 From: Steve Capuano  Subject: 91 4Runner exhaust upgrade
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 How does  v6 toy sound with an exhaust kit?
 I want to do mine, but afraid of the way it may sound.  Motorcycles on 4
 wheels are not acceptable.
 At 10:38 PM 2/18/97 -0800, you wrote:>> I am considering upgrading the exhaust system on my 1991 4runner. I don't>> want to spend the $$$ for a borla system. I was thinking of just replacing>> the muffler with a high-performance one.>>>> Has anyone done this before? What muffler should I use? (A part number would>> be nice! :)>>>> Thanks!>>>> Jared Rogers>> 1989 Toyota 4x4 DX X-CAB V6>> 1990 Toyota Celica GT-S>> 1991 Toyota 4runner SR5 4WD V6>>>>>Hi, I put a Flowmaster muffler (part # 42451) on my 91 4Runner about 4>months>ago.  It will run you about $50-60 from Summit.  It is a 3 chamber>muffler>that provides a slightly louder than stock sound.  Installation cost me>40$ at>midas.  According to Flowmastmer the 42451 is the muffler for the 91>4Runner v6,>but the guy at midas had to use an extension pipe because the flowmaster>muffler>is a bit shorter that that huge can toyota uses.  So far there's been>slight discoloration but this is common.  If you have the money, I'd say>go for the Borla, I think it's worth it in the long run.  Good luck.>						Matt Barker> ------------------------------
 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 17:36:14 -0800 (PST)
 From: Jonathan Albrecht  Subject: 91 4Runner exhaust upgrade
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 On Wed, 19 Feb 1997, Steve Capuano wrote:> How does  v6 toy sound with an exhaust kit?> I want to do mine, but afraid of the way it may sound.  Motorcycles on 4> wheels are not acceptable.
 If it's anything like the 4cyl. expect a deep big Kawasaki sound.  I
 thought it sounded a bit weird (wanna-be) at first, but after not having
 my truck for a while (I sold it), man, I miss it!
 BRrwwwwaaahhhhhHHHHHH (shift) bwwwwaaahhhhHHHH...
 |From what I've heard, unless you go for something like a Rancho (dual
 glass pack--what I had) don't expect it to be real loud though.
 Jonathan Albrecht
 albr9619@uidaho.edu
 http://www.uidaho.edu/~albr9619/
 ------------------------------
 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 20:40:56 -0700
 From: "Colin Learning"  Subject: ARB Australia
 To:  Does anybody know where ARB is located in Australia?
 Colin Learning
 clearning@ccinet.ab.ca
 85 Toy X-Cab, 4.3 LT.,ARB front, LSD rear
 33" Yokohama Mud Diggers
 ------------------------------
 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 97 11:59:12 -0600
 From: "Eric P. Madsen"  Subject: Aux electric fan on FJ60
 To: "Toy4x4 List" >The auxiliary electric fan mounted on the left side of the engine>compartment of my 1986 FJ60 quit about 6 months ago and I'm wondering if>I need to replace it.  The service advisor at the local dealership says>not to worry about it -- but he couldn't tell me what purpose it>serves.  Can anyone tell me what it's for and whether or not I need to>replace it?
 I've heard from several owners that the fan is very important for keeping
 the exhaust manifold/carburator cool.
 eric
 Eric P. Madsen (madsener@etca1.den.mmc.com)
 Electronics Packaging Analysis, Lockheed Martin Astronautics/Denver
 94 Toy 4x4 Xtra-Cab SR5 & 86 FJ-60 / TLCA member #3728
 ------------------------------
 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 09:55:55 CST-6CDT
 From: "Brad Ekstrom"  Subject: Bio
 To: toy4x4@tlca.org
 Name:  Brad M. Ekstrom
 City & State:  Southlake, TX
 Country:  U.S.
 E-mail address:  Ekstrom@bob.unt.edu
 Toyota (s) year & model:  '93 Pickup SR5 V6 4WD
 Are you a TLCA Member:  No
 Age:  25
 Occupation:  Grad Student
 Marital Status:  Single
 Hobbies:  Martial Arts, Computers
 How did you find out about the Toyota 4x4 Mailing List:  webpage:
 Off-road.com
 General info about your vehicle, self, etc.:
 Popping noise on extreme turns.  After three mechanics, noboby can
 figure out why the reverse backup lights don't turn on. :(
 Tail side end dents.  Need to get side style strip kit before
 repair.  Purchased used one week ago.  Need an owners manual.
 Haynes and Chilton don't cut it.
 This is my dream truck.  I just want to make it perfect like any
 fanatical owner.  Take care.
 ------------------------------
 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 11:11:25 -0000
 From: "Todd and Terry"  Subject: Bio
 To: "Jonathan Albrecht"  - ----------> From: Jonathan Albrecht > To: Todd and Terry > Subject: Re: Bio> Date: Wednesday, February 19, 1997 7:20 AM>>> On Tue, 18 Feb 1997, Todd and Terry wrote:>>>> General info about your vehicle, self, etc.:  EZ Lockers front and
 rear,>> Centerforce Dual Friction clutch,  R5000's,  Ramsey winch bumper,
 Explorer>> lights,  custom rear bumper,  15X8.5 American Racing Wheels,
 30-11.50-15>> TSL SX's,  CB, Cellular, Kenwood, Pioneer electronics.  All mechanical
 work>> done by myself.  Marlin gears by June,  Swamp, Dusy and Rubicon
 immediately>> after.>> Hi. I was wondering how your truck does in icy conditions (on road) with> lockers on both ends and super swampers.  Do you run it in 4wd in these> situations?  Also, how well does it do (on road) with the front hubs> locked (but in 2wd).>> Thanks, and welcome to the list,>> Jonathan Albrecht> albr9619@uidaho.edu> http://www.uidaho.edu/~albr9619/> Since I live in beautiful foggy Central California, I've had the lockers
 in the snow and ice one time.  This was on a rutted, snow covered forest
 service road.  The grooves in the snow made it like a slot car track, so I
 didn't have any problems with steering. However, the lockers do make the
 steering effort much heavier on any solid surface (i.e. granite, asphalt).
 I feel that if I ran them at speed on pavement, it would make for a quick
 off highway excursion any time there was a curve in the road. This would
 especially hold true if the pavement was slick or iced.
 Hope this helps
 Todd
 tntsteel@kingsnet.com
 ------------------------------
 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 18:09:26 -0500
 From: Gratz  Subject: Bio
 To: Toy4x4  Toy4x4-Request wrote:>> Personal Bio Info>> POST TO THE LIST ONLY>> toy4x4@tlca.org> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++>> Name:Jon Gratz>> City & State:Marlton,NJ>> Country:usa>> E-mail address:jjgekko@bellatlantic.net>> Toyota (s) year & model:1989 Pickup,xtracab,v6,auto dlx>> Are you a TLCA Member (Y/N/Number?):N>> Age:28>> Occupation:sales & distribution of vent-free gas heaters>> Marital Status:Single>> Hobbies:sking,handguns,racing my Buick GN,geneolgy,civil war,hoops,painting>> How did you find out about the Toyota 4x4 Mailing List:surfing the web>> General info about your vehicle, self, etc.:vehicle was purchased w/ 139,000 miles,used for pleasure & business, wanted a "toy" to romp
 through the snow.
 ------------------------------
 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 16:01:47 -0800 (PST)
 From: Jonathan Albrecht  Subject: Bio
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org>>     Popping noise on extreme turns.
 Believe it or not, this is just the steering stops rubbing against the
 knuckle.  I usually just put a dab of grease on each stop (there are two
 per side, on the lower whishbone).  When new, your toyota had little
 rubber (or plastic??) caps that kept it from sqeaking.  I think you can
 get a full set new from toyota pretty cheap (like 3-10 bucks).>  After three mechanics, noboby can>         figure out why the reverse backup lights don't turn on. :(
 Check the light bulbs.  Then, check the little switch that's mounted on
 the transmission.  If both are fine, then get out one of those electric
 meters doohickeys (what do you call them?) and start testing.  Also, check
 to the fuse box, and see if you can't find where the switch and other
 related wires ground to.  Try cleaning up these spots.>     Tail side end dents.  Need to get side style strip kit before>     repair.  Purchased used one week ago.  Need an owners manual.>     Haynes and Chilton don't cut it.
 you can get the new ones from a few places.  I ordered ours from Downey
 Offroad for 60 bucks.  ...or was it 80?  I forget.  You might want a
 haynes anyway, though (also).  The toyota manual is a good one, and I
 especially like how they don't say 'if you're truck is this style, do
 this, if not, then do this...ect" instead they say, "your truck is this
 way, do this".  The only bad thing, is that sometimes they tell you to
 use a toyota tool, or something like that.  Haynes is nice, because they
 aren aimed more at the do it yourselfer, the toyota manual isn't really.
 I still like the Toyota manual best, but we always use both.
 Jonathan Albrecht
 albr9619@uidaho.edu
 http://www.uidaho.edu/~albr9619/
 ------------------------------
 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 21:37:29 -0600
 From: Mark Muller  Subject: Bio
 To: Toy4x4  Toy4x4-Request wrote:>> Personal Bio Info>> POST TO THE LIST ONLY>> toy4x4@tlca.org> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++>> Name:Mark "MUD" Muller>> City & State:Pipestone, Mn>> Country:USA>> E-mail address:mmuller@rconnect.com>> Toyota (s) year & model:1995 Tacoma xtra cab> Had a 86 w/4cyl turbo!!!> Are you a TLCA Member (Y/N/Number?):Joining soon>> Age:29>> Occupation:Custom Applicator>> Marital Status:Married>> Hobbies:Dirt&Street Bikes Snowmobiling Surfing the net>> How did you find out about the Toyota 4x4 Mailing List:offroad.com>> General info about your vehicle, self, etc.: Subject: cheap clutch
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 I  bought a clutch kit from a local auto store (it had the clutch,
 pressure plate, throughout bearing, and a clutch tool)  it only put me
 back  $98.00,  as far as someone to put it in (I'm a poor college boy
 also), my prices ranged from ($150-$225) I finally found a friend of a
 friend to put my clutch in for $100 bucks.  I've gota '82 toy.  Maybe this
 helps
 Jason
 Knoxville, Tennessee
 ------------------------------
 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 22:24:44 -0700
 From: Tony Bartlett  Subject: clutches
 To: toy4x4@tlca.org
 Believe it or not, when I needed a new clutch I found the cheapest one I
 could find was a factory Toyota heavy duty.  They were about 100 cheaper
 than others.  I run 33 inch tires and have over 100,000 miles on my
 newest clutch.  I have done some good rock crawling and with stock R&P I
 have smoked the clutch more than once.  I am still amazed it is
 working.  I plan on changing it before Easter Safari in Moab, so I do
 not run into problems with it.  I will let everyone know what type of
 shape it is in.
 ------------------------------
 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 97 11:56:51 -0600
 From: "Eric P. Madsen"  Subject: clutch replacement
 To: "Toy4x4 List" >2.  need new clutch.  have no tools here at school.  if i have to pay>someone, what should the bill be            saying, other than OH MY GOD.>so far ive heard the dealer say 586 (forgetaboutit), and tranny places>telling me anywhere from 425-450-500.>they allege new parts including: bearing, plate, and monkeying somehow with>the flywheel.>>help please, i am a poor college student (with $800 - 850 to spend>altogether) that just wants his baby back on the trails.
 I've been gathering prices for replacing the clutch and rear main seal
 on my 86 FJ-60.  I would imagine that a 4Runner is cheaper, but I
 was quoted around $400 for the clutch, and that includes clutch plate,
 pressure plate, throwout bearing, pilot bearing and resurfacing the
 flywheel.  I used the 25% TLCA discount at Stevens Creek toyota to
 order all of the parts, including assorted tranny and transfer seals.
 eric
 Eric P. Madsen (madsener@etca1.den.mmc.com)
 Electronics Packaging Analysis, Lockheed Martin Astronautics/Denver
 94 Toy 4x4 Xtra-Cab SR5 & 86 FJ-60 / TLCA member #3728
 ------------------------------
 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 17:43:28 -1000
 From: "Ryan J. Merrell"  Subject: engine computer
 To:  I have an '86 4x4 with the 22RET.  I just rebuilt the top end of the
 motor, and now my engine computer has gone bad.  Does anyone know if you can
 take the computer anywhere and have it serviced, or tested to see what is
 wrong with it?  Or will I just need to buy a whole new engine computer?  If
 anyone has had problems with their engine computer before, or has any
 knowledge about them, please email me and let me know.  It will be greatly
 appreciated.
 ***************
 RJM
 Indiana
 ***************
 ------------------------------
 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 97 09:23:00 CST
 From: Rogers_Jared  Subject: Exhaust mods
 To: Toyota4x4 >I once got a chance to try a truck where someone had welded a glass pack>in place of the original muffler (but used the stock pipes).  Beleive it>or not, it was very queit, which makes me wonder how much that muffler>really helped to 'open up' the exhaust.
 Kind of funny that you mentioned that. When the muffler on my 89 4x4 go all
 rusted out, I replaced it with a $14 TURBO II muffler from my local auto
 parts store. This muffler was TINY compared to the massive heavy muffler that
 the stock truck has. I'm surprised ANY air gets through that muffler! A local
 exhaust shop put the TURBO II muffler on for $20 and I was pretty surprised
 with the results.
 Overall, the power improvement was MASSIVE. Not just a little difference... a
 LOT! The gears seemed much longer and overall the truck felt 15-20hp better!
 I was kind of surprised at the sound, as well. The new muffler was actually
 quieter than my rusted out muffler. Overall, it was a nice increase in power
 for the $34 investment.
 I think I'll use a better muffler on the 4runner, though. I wouldn't mind
 spending $100 for a Borla. What size should I use? 2"
 Thanks!
 Jared Rogers
 1989 Toyota 4x4 DX X-CAB V6
 1990 Toyota Celica GT-S
 1991 Toyota 4runner SR5 4WD V6
 ------------------------------
 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 22:30:25 -0700
 From: Tony Bartlett  Subject: Forerunner Tranny
 To: toy4x4@tlca.org
 Whoever wrote about the forerunner tranny not shifting into high gear I
 have to guess that you have an automatic.  If so your problem might be
 normal.  Most auto's have a temp sensor in the trans (near the pan) that
 makes them not shift into high gear until it is warmed up.
 I have seen people have problems were they would be driving along
 normally then out of nowhere there trans shifted down to 3rd (if 4
 speed) after a while it would upshift again.  It would end up that there
 thermostat would stick open causing the coolant to drop in temp.  With
 trans cooler in the radiator it would cool the fluid enough that the
 temp sensor would tell the computer not to be in high gear until temp
 rises back up.  I hope this helps.  It might not be the correct answer
 to your problem but it sounds like a place to start.
 ------------------------------
 Date: 19 Feb 1997 09:33:08 U
 From: "Jay Kopycinski"  Subject: Last call for Hollister tri
 To: "Toyota 4x4 List"  Subject:                              Time:  8:51 AM
 OFFICE MEMO         Last call for Hollister trip on FebM-I  Date:  2/19/97
 "Leo G. Divinagracia III"  wrote:>this is a last call for anyone else who hasn't read my previous post in>the last week.  Hollister Hills SVRA is located south of San Jose, CA and>is a state park for 4x4 and other off-road vehicles.
 Leo,
 How about a trip report and maybe some pics of the trip for those of
 us that have never been there???
 _____________________________________________
 Jay Kopycinski    '85 Toylet  (ROKTOY)
 Gilbert, AZ
 ryna10@email.sps.mot.com
 http://www.netzone.com/~jayk
 Arizona Lo-Rangers 4WD Club            TLCA #3243
 _____________________________________________
 ------------------------------
 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 97 15:05:00 PST
 From: "Tong, Don                   MV"  Subject: Leaky Clutch Flex Hose
 To: "'Toyota 4WD Digest'"  In response to my request for general comments on using stainless steel
 hose, Jack Conrad responded:>Stainless will be nice, BUT...it has to have some coils in it so it can
 flex.  Without a few turns that can absorb the engine/tranny movement you
 will break the line.
 Thanks for the advice.  Coincidentally, the recommendation from the
 service technicians was that I have the new hose made a couple inches
 longer than the stock hose.  They indicated that the length of the stock
 hose is short enough that a lot of engine movement does contribute to the
 wear on the hose.
 After speaking with the guy at the hose shop, he said coils would only be
 needed for a hard stainless steel line, but not for the teflon and
 stainless flex hose.  So, I went with the flex hose; two inches longer
 than the factory hose, complete with fittings, ran just over $30.  For
 some perverse reason, I'm looking forward to putting this in.
 Don Tong
 donald.tong@mv.unisys.com
 ------------------------------
 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 13:17:39 +0000
 From: "Mike Williams"  Subject: Suggestions for Clutch
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 I am currently having my truck's transmission rebuilt.  The truck is
 an '81 SR5 with a mildly modified engine, 5.29 gears, and 35" BFGs.
 I am looking suggestions and recommendations for a new clutch.  What
 should I upgrade to? A Centerforce I, Centerforce II, Downey Super
 Clutch???   Anyone that is running this combination of tires and
 gears -- let me know your experiences.
 Thanks
 Mike Williams
 ======+++++++++++++======
 mwill@ctos.com
 ===++++++++++++++===
 ------------------------------
 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 08:21:32 -0900
 From: " CONRAD"  Subject: Toy4x4 Digest V1 #76
 To: > Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 17:11:22 -0700> From: "Edgar H. Rawl, III" > Subject: Aux electric fan on FJ60>> The auxiliary electric fan mounted on the left side of the engine> compartment of my 1986 FJ60 quit about 6 months ago and I'm wondering if> I need to replace it.  The service advisor at the local dealership says> not to worry about it -- but he couldn't tell me what purpose it> serves.  Can anyone tell me what it's for and whether or not I need to> replace it?> It helps cool down all that smog BS.  Gets very hot on that side with the
 exhaust there.  I ran my 84 for about 6 years without it.  Course the last
 3 years of that all the smog stuff had  disappeared.  Somebody came by one
 night and took it all.  What a shame!!
 Question, why aren't you one the Land Cruiser list?  This Toy list is
 good, but the Cruiser list is Cruiser specific.  Lots of good info.  You
 ought to go back to the TLCA homepage and subscribe.  Being on both lists
 assures that you'll never have a brealdown on your truck.  There is so much
 mail to read/answer that you won't have time to go wheeling!!
 jc
 Jack Conrad,  BIG TOY, TLCA # 3851
 conrad@mosquitonet.com, North Pole, AK
 84 FJ-60, coils over  leaf-over, 350,38s, ARB
 92 Extra-Cab, coils over leafs, 5.29s, ARB, 35s
 ------------------------------
 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 13:18:33 EST
 From: matt877@juno.com (Matthew C Chapin)
 Subject: Toy4x4 Digest V1 #76
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 I originally asked the question about the Super Swamper Radials and I
 have been reading all the posts too, but I have one last question are the
 Radials a better choice over BFG Mud Terrain T/A ?   I will probably be
 getting one of these tires. Just don't know which ones!
 Also Is there any magazines devoted to Toyota 4x4's?
 ------------------------------
 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 11:13:51 -8 GMT
 From: "Leo G. Divinagracia III"  Subject: Toy4x4 Digest V1 #76
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 97 12:19:00 CST> From: Rogers_Jared > Subject: 91 4runner exhaust upgrade> To: Toyota4x4 >> I am considering upgrading the exhaust system on my 1991 4runner. I don't> want to spend the $$$ for a borla system. I was thinking of just replacing> the muffler with a high-performance one.>> Has anyone done this before? What muffler should I use? (A part number would> be nice! :)> a month ago, a 93 4runner pulled into a walmart parking lot and what he
 did was replaced the muff with one from seibring.  had a welder put 2 1/2"
 pipes after the cat and had it exit towards the rear, instead of curving
 behind the left rear tire.  looks unique.  sounds great.  but after
 researching more, the piece by piece job is a little less performance than
 a true cat-back system that uses mandrel bent tubes instead of 'hard'
 bends as a result of welding of short pieces of pipes...
 - -----------------------
 Leo G. Divinagracia III
 ldivinag@csuhayward.edu
 ------------------------------
 Date: 19 Feb 1997 09:39:44 U
 From: "Jay Kopycinski"  Subject: Toyota 4x4's rule
 To: "Toyota 4x4 List"  Subject:                              Time:  8:54 AM
 OFFICE MEMO         Toyota 4x4's rule                     Date:  2/19/97
 " marc  shirah"  wrote:>Toyota 4x4's rule.Chevy's And FORDS eat mud!!!!
 Can my truck rule AND eat mud too.......and if so........
 where can I find mud in the desert?
 _____________________________________________
 Jay Kopycinski    '85 Toylet  (ROKTOY)
 Gilbert, AZ
 ryna10@email.sps.mot.com
 http://www.netzone.com/~jayk
 Arizona Lo-Rangers 4WD Club            TLCA #3243
 _____________________________________________
 ------------------------------
 Date: 19 Feb 1997 09:30:45 U
 From: "Jay Kopycinski"  Subject: traction bars
 To: "Toyota 4x4 List"  Subject:                              Time:  8:55 AM
 OFFICE MEMO         traction bars                         Date:  2/19/97
 Steve Capuano  wrote:>I would not even know where to start on these things, but would like any>info that can be offered up on users of these setups.  I don't like for my>axle to hop when I light 'em up.
 Don't bother with kicker shocks if you really want to stop axle hop.
 The shorty solid bars that mount above the springs work fairly well,
 but limit travel. This may or may not be important to you.
 The longer Rancho bars are a good idea but eat up ground clearance.
 Again, depending on your use, this may or may not matter to you.
 I fabricated a pair that were about as long as the Ranchos but mounted
 alongside the frame rails. They worked well but could not handle
 extreme articulation movement.
 Jim Chott runs a nice bar that is mounted to the center top of the
 rear diff and runs forward to the horseshoe shaped crossmember.
 His design works well and I'm sure he can provide more info if
 you need it.
 I currently run a ladder type bar with a shackle and heim joint
 on the forward end. Karl Ingram (out of Oklahoma) came up with
 the design and it seems to work well for me.
 Hope this helps.
 _____________________________________________
 Jay Kopycinski    '85 Toylet  (ROKTOY)
 Gilbert, AZ
 ryna10@email.sps.mot.com
 http://www.netzone.com/~jayk
 Arizona Lo-Rangers 4WD Club            TLCA #3243
 _____________________________________________
 ------------------------------
 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 14:13:43 -0600
 From: Mark Chapman  Subject: Unsubscribe
 To: Toy4x4  Please take my off the email list.  Thanks!
 ------------------------------
 Date: 19 Feb 1997 09:45:32 U
 From: "Jay Kopycinski"  Subject: V6 reliability
 To: "Toyota 4x4 List"  Subject:                              Time:  8:57 AM
 OFFICE MEMO         V6 reliability                        Date:  2/19/97
 "Ken Emanuel"  wrote:>SO, for you owners of the V6, would you say that your engine is at>least ALMOST  as good as the 22R-E as far as reliability?   Besides>the warranteed head gasket, are there any other common "weaknesses" ?
 There has been talk here of clutch rubber lines leaking after some
 period of time..... no biggy.
 Our '91 4Runner has 67k on it now and I have had to do nothing to
 the engine or drivetrain other than replacing the normal consummables.
 I worry a bit about the head gasket, but other than that think the engine
 is quite reliable. It's a bit past time to replace the timing belt and I
 will be doing that in the next few weeks.
 _____________________________________________
 Jay Kopycinski    '85 Toylet  (ROKTOY)
 Gilbert, AZ
 ryna10@email.sps.mot.com
 http://www.netzone.com/~jayk
 Arizona Lo-Rangers 4WD Club            TLCA #3243
 _____________________________________________
 ------------------------------
 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 97 10:47:00 CST
 From: Rogers_Jared  Subject: V6 reliability
 To: Toyota4x4 >SO, for you owners of the V6, would you say that your engine is at>least ALMOST  as good as the 22R-E as far as reliability?   Besides>the warranteed head gasket, are there any other common "weaknesses" ?
 Overall, I've been very satisfied with the V6's in both my 4runner and my 4x4
 truck. Neither vehicles have give me any major engine problems at all. At
 102k miles, my 1989 truck passes inspection better than most new vehicles.
 Neither vehicles burn oil, and if you drain the oil at 3000 miles it comes
 out fairly clean.
 My 1989 4x4 is on the original head gasket at 102k but my 1991 4runner had
 the head gasket go at 70k according to the original owner. I think that the
 head gasket reliability is hit and miss. (To be fair, I've heard that the new
 190hp 3.4l V6 has head gasket problem, too.)
 As far as timing belt reliability goes, my local mechanic said that the
 original belt easily lasts 150k miles or more. He recommends that I just
 drive it until the timing belt breaks. Since it's a non-interference engine,
 its not really something you need to worry about.
 Some things to consider before buying the 3.0l V6:
 1) There is no room in the engine compartment and it's hard to work on -vs-
 the 22r
 2) Reliability is not as good as the bullet-proof 22r. (But its a heck of a
 lot better than most domestic engines!)
 3) Efficiency isn't as good as the 22r - Gas mileage is fairly poor. I get
 about 18mpg on my truck and 15mpg on my 4runner.
 4) Modifications arent as cheap or abundant on the V6, nor are they easy to
 install. (You can install headers on the 22r in one evening and they cost
 less than $200. It is a real expense and chore on the 3.0l V6.
 5) Stock power from the 3.0l V6 is good but not great. You'll soon find
 yourself longing for a new exhaust system, headers, etc..
 6) The 3.0l V6 adds a lot of weight to your truck.
 Jared Rogers
 1989 Toyota 4x4 DX X-CAB V6
 1990 Toyota Celica GT-S
 1991 Toyota 4runner SR5 4WD V6
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 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 97 10:49:00 PST
 From: "Tong, Don                   MV"  Subject: V6 reliability
 To: "\"''\" <" I've got a '91 4-Runner and have been happy with the engine reliability.
 Until the head gasket went last October, I haven't had any mechanical
 problems whatsoever.  I did put Slick-50 in on the first oil change, and
 again at 60K and 67K miles (the head gasket failed about 63K; I've now
 got about 70K).  The only non-stock/non-Toyota parts on/related to the
 engine are a K&N air filter. Fram oil filter, and Fram fuel filter.
 Gas mileage has been down about 15 mpg city, 17 highway.  But I think
 this is more due to the gasoliine than anything else.  When I went to Las
 Vegas a couple weeks ago, I got about 20 mpg coming back.  So maybe
 Nevada gas has different additives than So. Cal. gas.
 I've also had all the 15, 30, and 60K servicing done pretty much on
 schedule.  Oil gets changed at least every 7,500 miles, and lately every
 3,500 (because I re-started doing the simple stuff myself).
 One of the reasons I stuck with Toyota is their reputation for
 reliability.  I'm sure this holds for a lot of people reading this.  I've
 not been disappointed.
 The only complaint I have about the motor is that it is underpowered for
 the vehicle weight.  But a pickup weighs a lot less than a 4-Runner so it
 might not be as bad.
 Don Tong
 donald.tong@mv.unisys.com
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 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 15:00:07 -0800
 From: Scott Wilson  Subject: V6 reliability
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org> 5) Stock power from the 3.0l V6 is good but not great. You'll soon find> yourself longing for a new exhaust system, headers, etc..
 I agree completely.  With just a few upgrades you can see a whole bunch
 more horses from it.> 6) The 3.0l V6 adds a lot of weight to your truck.
 According to my 88 4Runner owners manual, the GVWR on the 4 cyl  is 5080
 lb, and the V6 si 5180 lb.  I very happy with my V6, I don't mind
 carrying around the 100 lbs at all for the gains I get with it.
 Scott
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 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 16:49:54 -0800
 From: Eric Johnson  Subject: V6 reliability
 To: "'Toy4x4@tlca.org'"  Scott Wilson wrote:>According to my 88 4Runner owners manual, the GVWR on the 4 cyl  is 5080>lb, and the V6 si 5180 lb.  I very happy with my V6, I don't mind>carrying around the 100 lbs at all for the gains I get with it.
 Thats your weight rating (truck, passengers, cargo), not your weight.
 Weight is in the 3400lb range, last time I got on a scale. I wish i had
 remembered to write down the exact weight... but I agree the V6 is
 probably not much more than 100lbs more than the 22RE.
 - --
 - -- ej@blarg.net
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 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 17:40:45 -0800 (PST)
 From: Jonathan Albrecht  Subject: V6 reliability
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 On Wed, 19 Feb 1997, Eric Johnson wrote:> Scott Wilson wrote:>>According to my 88 4Runner owners manual, the GVWR on the 4 cyl  is 5080>>lb, and the V6 si 5180 lb.  I very happy with my V6, I don't mind>>carrying around the 100 lbs at all for the gains I get with it.>> Thats your weight rating (truck, passengers, cargo), not your weight.> Weight is in the 3400lb range, last time I got on a scale. I wish i had> remembered to write down the exact weight... but I agree the V6 is> probably not much more than 100lbs more than the 22RE.
 Are those iron block w/ aluminum heads? (the v6).
 I once took a look at one of my friends v6's.  I don't know how you can
 work on something like that.  There's no room!
 He's told me horror stories of spending all day (liek 4 or 5 hours)
 *trying* to change the fuel filter.  Granted, he's no mechanic, but it
 still sounded like a real pain.
 Jonathan Albrecht
 albr9619@uidaho.edu
 http://www.uidaho.edu/~albr9619/
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 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 10:13:30 -0700
 From: nickkrest@batnet.com (Nick Krest)
 Subject: Weaker Gears
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 BCSTOY@aol.com wrote:
 "...why don't the guys that have replaced
 the factory gears do a posting on prices,
 brand, tire size and length of time the
 gears have been on."
 4.88's: $150; Genuine Gear; 32.5" (true diameter); 25,000 miles. I run
 SWEPCO 80/140 gear oil.
 - Nick
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