Toy4x4 Digest          Wed,  5 Feb 97 00:30:02 (HST)  Volume 1 : Issue  62
 Today's Topics:
 (no subject)
 2" exhaust for '85 4-Runner
 4 runner hard top removal (3 msgs)
 4runner power rear window
 4runner power rear window. (2 msgs)
 [Fwd: GEN: Read and Forward]
 [Fwd: Toy4x4 Digest V1 #61]
 Airbox modifications
 Bio (9 msgs)
 Custom Springs
 doggen it up hills
 Drive Shaft ?'s & Shops.
 Head gasket problems with 95-97 190hp V6
 hunting
 Important: Read and Forward
 Lots of Bios  :)
 mailing list
 Marlin Crawlers (2 msgs)
 Noises
 O2 Sensor
 off the topic
 Oops
 PCV Valve
 re Who's on the list
 Shift lever interference
 spring sag
 T Case problem
 Toy4x4 Digest V1 #57
 Toy4x4 Digest V1 #61 (2 msgs)
 Tranny Noise
 WTB 88 4Runner soft-top
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 Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 23:05:32 -0800
 From: Kevin Watters  Subject: (no subject)
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org>> Also, I would like to second the request as to where the PCV valves are!!> Can't find the one on my 92 V6 truck.  The Chilton manual wasn't much help> to me.  (I feel rather stupid.)  Any detailed ideas?  Thanx..> chow for now...>> C BLAIR
 The Toyota manual shows the pcv valve below the fuel injection manifold
 and is a pain to get to. Had the same location on my v6 Camry and ended
 up breaking the plastic valve getting it out. have fun.
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 Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 09:31:41 -0600
 From: pmadden@sulzerorthousa.com (Paul Madden)
 Subject: 2" exhaust for '85 4-Runner
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 Does anyone know where to get an aluminized or S.S. 2" exhaust for an '85 4Runner? I'm wanting to add a tri-y header from N.W.O.R. K&N filter, master timing kit and need the 2" exhaust to maske it come alive. I would rather buy a prefab.
 system than have a local shop make one. any info would help , has anyone done these mods I'm considering?
 Thanks, PGM
 '85 4-Runner (automatic)
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 Date: Tue, 4 Feb 97 08:47 PST
 From: Robert.Elsemore@ncal.kaiperm.org
 Subject: 4 runner hard top removal
 To: toy4x4@tlca.org
 I have taken the top off of my '85 4runner for the last three
 Summers and have had no problems whatsoever.  Just make sure
 of one thing when putting it back on:  snug up the six bolts
 that hold it to the "cab" before tightening any of the other
 bolts that connect to the "bed".
 FWIW, I will probably not ever remove my 4Runner top again.
 It was fun the first few times, but eating a tremendous amount
 of dust, baking in the sun, and being surprised by a few Sierra
 rain showers kind of took away from the fun.  Call me sissy if
 you will, but I kind of like my heater/AC when the other folks
 are freezing/frying in the elements.
 - -Rob Elsemore  ------------------------------
 Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 08:47:40 -0800
 From: Eric Johnson  Subject: 4Runner hard top removal
 To: "'s0baker@usuhsb.usuhs.mil'" ,
 From: s0baker@usuhsb.usuhs.mil>I want to take my hard top off this spring/summer but have heard that it>"never quite seals up right again"  i.e. it leaks.  Have any of y'all>done this?  What happened?  Also, are the soft tops worth it?  Thanks
 I talk about this on the 4Runner page at
 www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota/4runner.html
 I've got both the soft top and the hard top. I've never had trouble with the
 hard top leaking...and I live in Seattle, so I would know! :)
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 Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 16:25:10 -0800
 From: rmurray@gvn.net (Rick Murray)
 Subject: 4 runner hard top removal
 To: TOY4X4@TLCA.ORG
 I had mine off and on twice this past summer, with no problems. We
 went thru a very wet winter here in N.Cal, and had no leaks.
 I treated the gaskets (on the top, and on the cab) with Armour-All
 every couple of weeks to keep them soft, and pliable.  Be sure to
 use 3 people to remove/replace the canopy.  Very expensive to fix or
 replace if you drop or otherwise damage it.  I had a custom 'bikini' top
 made , to use with the top off.  If I had to do it over again, I would
 probably go with the Downey bikini, even tho I've yet to see one up close.
 I know a guy with an '87 and has the Downey full soft top.  Never uses
 the hard top anymore.  (maybe because he may have had to drill holes and
 attach snaps to the top rails and the old top won't go back on).  Myself,
 I like the comfort, and security of the hard top in winter/spring.
 ------------------------------
 Date: Tue, 4 Feb 97 09:26 PST
 From: Robert.Elsemore@ncal.kaiperm.org
 Subject: 4runner power rear window
 To: toy4x4@tlca.org
 In addition to the other safety switches mentioned there
 are two limit switches located in the tailgate that limit
 window travel in both the up and down extremes.  I have had
 a connector fall off of one of these switches causing the
 window to stick in the down position.
 In addition to all of that, there is a VERY VERY expensive relay
 located in the side panel near the drivers side seat belt spool.
 That relay is the central "brain" for all of the safety and limit
 switches.  Chances are the relay is fine and one of the many
 switches is faulty.
 - -Rob Elsemore  ------------------------------
 Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 08:36:05 -0500 (EST)
 From: BCSTOY@aol.com
 Subject: 4runner power rear window.
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 Regardeless of what happened to your neighbor's 4runner, the potential of
 having trouble with powered windows exist no matter what. These motors
 and connections are subject to constant vibrations so don't be discouraged
 bu that, just make sure when you buy that all electrical motors function.
 ------------------------------
 Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 08:50:23 -0800
 From: Eric Johnson  Subject: 4runner power rear window.
 To: "'permut@bvsd.k12.co.us'" ,
 From: "Eric B. Permut" >Hi All.  I was recently investigating an '85 lifted and locked 4runner>which my neighbor had up for sale.  (I think it sold, I haven't seen it>for a while.) He was having trouble with the power rear window in the>tailgate.  He mentioned a rumor that every time the "cap" (roof) is>removed or replaced, the back power window stops functioning. (fuse??)>Has anyone else had this experience?  Is it common??  It's not serious,>but I'm considering a 1st-gen IFS 4runner, and that could be a nuisance.>Thanks!
 Theres a micro-switch in the second bolt hole back along the left
 bed rail. If you don't tighten this bolt enough or omit it entirely, the switch
 doesn't flip and the window is prevented from going. The window is
 specifically designed not to operate with the top off, which is good,
 because without support from the top, it would easily break off.
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 Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 22:34:22 -0500
 From: MLukus  Subject: [Fwd: Toy4x4 Digest V1 #61]
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 Please take me off your email list. Thankyou
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 Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 08:56:01 -0500
 From: Ed.Wong@astramerck.com
 Subject: Airbox modifications
 To: "        -         (052)DRM033 (a) aol.com"  David:
 All the pics that I have seen of the EFI trucks (up until the Taco and 96+
 4Runners) seems
 to indicate that those engines all use a Bosch type flapper vane Air metering
 system.
 Even those these "sit on top" of the air box, the air actually enters through
 the side
 if the curved box sitting on top of the air filter. Thus all of these should be
 candidates
 for Jay's home made airbox.
 The new generation engines appear to use a hot wire system (similar to Ford's
 EEC-IV
 system on the Mustangs etc). SInce these are "in line" witht he intake
 plumbing, fitting
 an air box should be even easier on these.
 I am not firmly convinced that there is a restriction based on the air filter
 and the "box".
 In other words, I think there are to be gains by swapping the filter (say 7%)
 buit there
 are much smaller gains for swapping the box (say an additional 2%).
 The restictions are probably in the air vane meter itself - which can not be
 easily gotten rid of - w/o going to a different type of fuel injection.
 This being said - there are reasons for keeping the stock box - and not cutting
 holes
 in it:
 1 - The stock box probably is a tad better at resisting h20 invasions when
 water crossing
 2 - The stock box is quieter than an open element (that Lexus thing)
 3 - The Stock element makes it replaceable by "quickie lube" guy - they can
 throw
 away your K&N filter :)
 The reasons for ditching the stock box
 1 - it looks "down town leroy brown"
 2 - it sounds cool
 3 - a bigger elemet takes longer to get clogged (baja guys)
 I actually run a  Downey box - yeah I know - more dollars than sense.
 Actually the best would be to take a cue from the NASCAR guys and run a
 box taking air from just below the winshield - I think Ironman 4Runner
 does this (he has a V8 too!)
 EWong
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 Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 08:12:57 -0500
 From: John Skaggs  Subject: Bio
 To: toy4x4@tlca.org
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 Personal Bio Info
 POST TO THE LIST ONLY>> toy4x4@tlca.org
 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 Name:         John Skaggs
 City & State:  Akron,  Ohio
 Country:    U.S.A.
 E-mail address:  John.Skaggs@ab.com
 Toyota (s) year & model:  85 Toyota 4Runner
 Are you a TLCA Member (Y/N/Number?):  Not yet
 Age:  27
 Occupation:  Engineering Tech.
 Marital Status:  M
 Hobbies:  Was off-roading until I moved to Ohio
 How did you find out about the Toyota 4x4 Mailing List: Off-Road.com
 General info about your vehicle, self, etc.:  Previous to Ohio I lived in
 Parker,  Arizona. (Home of the Parker 400) Thats where the bug bit me  (hurts sogood).  The only trail that you might recognize by name that I have been on is
 Crown King.  My Runner is stock for now due to low funds (sponsors always accepted) but plans have been made.  My Runner used to put my little brothers 78 Ford
 truck to shame until he got a locker.  I still need to find some place to
 4wheel here in Ohio,  I have talked to one TLCA club here and may go on a ride
 with them soon.  Happy wheelin to all!
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 Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 09:47:12 MST7MDT
 From: "Alan Anderson"  Subject: Bio
 To: Toy4x4-Request, toy4x4@tlca.org> Date:          Mon, 3 Feb 1997 18:40:39 -1000> To:            AA7884@omni.csi.cc.id.us> From:          Toy4x4-Request> Reply-to:      Toy4x4 > Subject:       Bio> Personal Bio Info>> POST TO THE LIST ONLY>> toy4x4@tlca.org> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++>> Name:      Alan Anderson>> City & State:      wendell, idaho>> Country:    USA>> E-mail address: aa7884@omni.csi.cc.id.us>> Toyota (s) year & model:  1985 SR5 4x4  Pickup>> Are you a TLCA Member (Y/N/Number?):no>> Age: 20>> Occupation: student/ summer fire fighter>> Marital Status: single>> Hobbies:  Wheelin'>> How did you find out about the Toyota 4x4 Mailing List:  cruisin'
 the web>> General info about your vehicle, self, etc.:>> toy has a 305ci. chevy moter, arb's in both ends, full cage, double
 marlin crawlers w/ultra lows, 33x14x15 boggers
 ------------------------------
 Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 13:13:41 -0500
 From: edge  Subject: Bio
 To: Toy4x4  Larry
 Royal Palm Beach, FL
 USA
 edge@miami.gdi.net
 1994 SR-5(V-6)4X4 extended cab pickup
 no
 37
 Air traffic controller
 married w/2 children
 mountain bike,hiking,SCUBA,computer
 surfing web
 94 Toy has 3" body & 4" suspension Trailmaster lift. Turning 35 x 14.5
 Mickey Thompson's.
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 Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 03:31:57 PST
 From: Jacques_Curley@wb.xerox.com (Curley,Jacques)
 Subject: Bio
 To: toy4x4@tlca.org (Toyota 4x4 List Post)
 POST TO THE LIST ONLY>> toy4x4@tlca.org
 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 Name:  Jacques Webster-Curley
 City & State:  Rochester, NY
 Country: USA
 E-mail address: jacques curley@wb.xerox.com
 Toyota (s) year & model: 1994 Toyota 4x4 Pickup
 Are you a TLCA Member (Y/N/Number?): No
 Age: 26
 Occupation: Research/Engineering Technician
 Marital Status: Single
 Hobbies: Hunting (bow & gun), basketball, softball, computers, music
 How did you find out about the Toyota 4x4 Mailing List: friend
 General info about your vehicle, self, etc.:
 ------------------------------
 Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 13:16:41 -0600
 From: "Alan Anderson"  (by way of Jack Alford )
 Subject: Bio
 To: toy4x4@tlca.org
 I am forwarding this:> Date:          Mon, 3 Feb 1997 18:40:39 -1000> To:            AA7884@omni.csi.cc.id.us> From:          Toy4x4-Request> Reply-to:      Toy4x4 > Subject:       Bio> Personal Bio Info>> POST TO THE LIST ONLY>> toy4x4@tlca.org> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++>> Name:      Alan Anderson>> City & State:      wendell, idaho>> Country:    USA>> E-mail address: aa7884@omni.csi.cc.id.us>> Toyota (s) year & model:  1985 SR5 4x4  Pickup>> Are you a TLCA Member (Y/N/Number?):no>> Age: 20>> Occupation: student/ summer fire fighter>> Marital Status: single>> Hobbies:  Wheelin'>> How did you find out about the Toyota 4x4 Mailing List:  cruisin'
 the web>> General info about your vehicle, self, etc.:>> toy has a 305ci. chevy moter, arb's in both ends, full cage, double
 marlin crawlers w/ultra lows, 33x14x15 boggers
 Jack Alford
 (List Administrator)
 ------------------------------
 Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 12:10:21 -0800
 From: @csulb.edu
 Subject: Bio
 To: Toy4x4  Toy4x4-Request wrote:>> Personal Bio Info>> POST TO THE LIST ONLY>> toy4x4@tlca.org> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++>> Name:Elvin Dioso>> City & State:Carson, CA>> Country:U.S.A.>> E-mail address:eldioso@csulb.edu>> Toyota (s) year & model:1995 4 Runner>> Are you a TLCA Member (Y/N/Number?):n>> Age:20>> Occupation:>> Marital Status:single>> Hobbies:sports, trucks>> How did you find out about the Toyota 4x4 Mailing List:www>> General info about your vehicle, self, etc.:
 1995 4 Runner, burgendy, looking to modify it.
 ------------------------------
 Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 14:12:28 PST
 From: jeff dejong  Subject: Bio
 To: Toy4x4 > Personal Bio Info> POST TO THE LIST ONLY>> toy4x4@tlca.org> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++> Name: JEFF DEJONG> City & State: DALLAS (RICHARDSON) TX> Country: US> E-mail address: dejong@utdallas.edu> Toyota (s) year & model: 96 TACOMA> Are you a TLCA Member (Y/N/Number?): NO> Age: 34> Occupation: RESEARCHER> Marital Status: MARRIED> Hobbies:> How did you find out about the Toyota 4x4 Mailing List: NET> General info about your vehicle, self, etc.: STOCK TACOMA 4X4 EXT CAB 3.4L V6
 ------------------------------
 Date: Tue, 04 Feb 97 23:23:12 PST
 From: Darren Webster  Subject: Bio
 To: Toy4x4  Name:Darren Webster
 City & State:SLC, UT
 Country:USA
 E-mail address:dwebster@axxis.com
 Toyota (s) year & model:1985 ExtraCab SR5 EFI 4x4, 1991 4Runner
 SR5 V6 4x4.
 Are you a TLCA Member (Y/N/Number?):Yes, #4061
 Age:29
 Occupation:Advertising Sales.
 Marital Status:Married with Child, & two dogs.
 Hobbies:Camping, Crawlin', Snowboarding, Spending money on
 vehicles.
 How did you find out about the Toyota 4x4 Mailing List:TLCA mailing
 list.
 General info about your vehicle, self, etc.:The 4Runner is new and
 my wife says it's hers so it will remain mostly stock except for a few
 engine enhancements and some bilsteins.  The Truck is my toy.  Built
 LC Engineering engine, headers, stainless Ultra-Flo exhaust, Rancho
 5000's, Smittybuilt tube bumpers F&R, 31x10.50x15's BFG AT's on
 ARE alloys.  To come: K&N Intake, bore throttle body, 2-3" lift, rear
 ARB Locker, ARB bull bar w/ Warn 8274.
 Darren Webster
 dwebster@axxis.com
 TLCA #4061
 ------------------------------
 Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 04:13:50 -0500
 From: J Bocek  Subject: Bio
 To: Toy4x4  At 06:40 PM 2/3/97 -1000, you wrote:>Personal Bio Info>>POST TO THE LIST ONLY>> toy4x4@tlca.org>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++>>Name:Joe D. Bocek>>City & State:Homosassa Springs,Florida>>Country:U.S.A.>>E-mail address:jbocek@xtalwind.net>>Toyota (s) year & model:'84 4-Runner>>Are you a TLCA Member (Y/N/Number?):Y #2487>>Age:42>>Occupation:Lab. Technician>>Marital Status:Married>>Hobbies:4-wheeling, camping, photography, fishing>>How did you find out about the Toyota 4x4 Mailing List:Friend>>General info about your vehicle, self, etc.:>    22R engine with cam, headers, 32/36 weber, torquer flywheel,& super clutch
 3" suspension lift, 33" BFG Mud Terrains on alum. wheels
 double RS9000's up front and single RS9000's in back
 ARB Ft.&Rr. with 5:29's
 Custom built Ft.bumper with XD9000i Warn
 Custom built Rr.bumper & nerf bars
 Tranny skid plate>> ------------------------------
 Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 18:12:29 +0000
 From: "Mike Williams"  Subject: Custom Springs
 To: toy4x4@tlca.org
 Jay wrote:
 Curious.....what are their custom springs going for?
 In reference to the custom springs built by Rocky Mountain Off-Road.
 Rocky Mountain Off-Road is located in Grand Junction, Colorado about
 an hours drive from Moab.  Rocky Mountain Off-Road is run by a group
 of Toyota "fanatics" as they call themselves.
 Basically they will create tailor a suspension setup to a buyer's
 wants.  The price for each spring is approximately $150.00 ($600.00
 for four springs).  Their 4" softride Toyota setup includes front
 springs with 5 leafs and the rears with 7 leafs.  Compare this to
 other suspension builders.
 Besides building suspensions their shop does customs fabrication of
 various parts such as bumpers and lightbars.
 For more information on the type of work this shop does, there is an
 article in November 1996's Four Wheel and Off-Road magazine that
 highlights their work.  (I don't have that copy in front of me so I
 don't know which article it is off hand.)
 Anyway Jack and Jay, (if I remember you are going to Moab Easter)
 James and his gang will be at Moab Easter weekend and are willing to
 discuss ideas and information.  I have talked to James and he is very
 willing to discuss suspensions, spring rates, shocks, and anything
 else.
 Mike Williams '81 SR5
 ===== mwill@ctos.com=====
 ------------------------------
 Date: Tue, 4 Feb 97 09:38:23 PST
 From: barney@flowpoint.com (Barney McNamara)
 Subject: doggen it up hills
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org>MLukus wrote:>I just bought a 94 toyota std cab. It has 31's on it with the 4 banger.>I'm getting a lot of negtive attitdues from friends.  They are saying>the four cylinder will be doggen it up hills with the 31's.  I was>wondering If anyone has some experience with this engine and could give>me some input.  Thankyou
 I drive an 83 with the 22R and 31's over a fairly steep mountain pass every
 day to work. It goes OK if you keep the revs up and don't slow down. It's
 not a race car, but I don't get many speeding tickets either. You can do
 a lot of things to improve performance, from gear changes to total engine
 replacement, but if your only real concern is your buddie's opinions.....
 ____________________________________________________________________
 Barney McNamara              83 Toyota Short Bed
 ( barney@flowpoint.com )     stock 22R motor ; 3" body lift
 Santa Cruz, Ca.              8" alloy rims; 31" BFG A/Ts
 ____________________________________________________________________
 ------------------------------
 Date: Tue, 04 Feb 97 09:43:44 -0600
 From: bwiencek@kcnet.com
 Subject: Drive Shaft ?'s & Shops.
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 Hello,
 As I am nearing the point in my V-8 installation where I can
 actually measure the length required for my driveshafts, I was
 wondering if anyone had any thoughts on wether or not to do a one
 piece shaft in the rear.  From what I've read, I will be about 3
 3/4" shorter than stock - or should I just get the stock shafts cut
 & balanced?
 Anyone recomend a shop to order new shafts from?  Any
 expierence with Mid States distributors (I think that's the name)?
 Thanks,
 Brian
 ------------------------------
 Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 20:45:55 -0800
 From: David Flynn-Kettering  Subject: Head gasket problems with 95-97 190hp V6
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 I recently purchased a 1997 T100 4x4 with the newer 190hp V6 and have
 heard about a major problem with this engine whereby it is having "blown
 head gaskets".  Toyota is being very tight-lipped about this.  I know of
 two individuals who have had this problem, one of which had the dealer
 point to 5+ vehicles in his lot waiting for repairs.
 Have you or anyone you know heard of this?   Any info or direction would
 be greatly appreciated.
 ------------------------------
 Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 09:08:00 -0800
 From: Eric Johnson  Subject: hunting
 To: "'toy4x4@tlca.org'"  Most bio's seem to contain:> Hobbies: . .  hunting . . .>What the !%@& do you guys hunt? and do you actually 'hunt'>them regularly or is this just a cool thing to say in your bio?
 Where I grew up, hunting was THE reason you bought a 4x4!
 I'm not at all surprised to see such a correlation between
 4x4s and hunters.>Is it deer that you all love to blast, or is this some 4x4 related>thing?>Please explain (and excuse my skepticism)
 Personally, I don't like to get near the woods during deer season,
 because while most deer hunters are responsible, the sheer numbers
 of hunters in my area means that there's a bunch of drunk, unsafe
 people with rifles that can reach out a long ways... they really
 make the rest of the safe hunters look bad.
 Personally, I hunt spring turkey. Hunting them (at least where I go)
 involves long treks on dirt roads to get to the canyons on the
 Columbia River where they live. (uh, then it involves dressing up
 in full camoflage and literally making noises like a horny hen, but
 I won't get into that... :) Then you blast 'em in the head with 2.25
 ounces of #4, 5, or 6 shot doing about 1200fps...then you go to
 the doctor and ask him politely to put your shoulder back together :)
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 Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 16:36:52 -0800
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 Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 12:28:03 -0800
 From: Scott Wilson  Subject: Lots of Bios  :)
 To: Toy 4x4 List  I think it funny how many Bios have come pouring in just after I post
 the "Who's on the List" list each time.  :)
 Scott
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 Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 15:05:20 -0500
 From: filskov5@eureka.vermontel.com
 Subject: mailing list
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 I would like to be taken off of this mailing list.  Thank you.
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 Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 17:33:44 -0000
 From: "Todd and Terry"  Subject: Marlin Crawlers
 To:  I need an opinion from all those crawler users out there.  If you used the
 4.70 t-case gears, do you find yourselves wishing that you had gone with
 the add-on box to get all three t-case ranges?  Those that are using the
 add-on cases, do you still find yourselves using the normal low-range or
 has it become excess weight?  Please give me your opinions along with what
 kind of wheeling you do so I can try to figure out what I'm going to do.
 Thanks Todd
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 Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 22:17:02 -0500 (EST)
 From: DRM033@aol.com
 Subject: Marlin Crawlers
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 In a message dated 97-02-04 20:46:01 EST, you write:> I need an opinion from all those crawler users out there.  If you used the>  4.70 t-case gears, do you find yourselves wishing that you had gone with>  the add-on box to get all three t-case ranges?  Those that are using the>  add-on cases, do you still find yourselves using the normal low-range or>  has it become excess weight?  Please give me your opinions along with what>  kind of wheeling you do so I can try to figure out what I'm going to do.>>  					Thanks Todd> I don't have either yet, but I am looking toward getting the new gears.  I
 figure I don't want the hassle of driveshaft mods, or new holes in the floor,
 etc.  I don't see how you would need two different low ranges.  Sure, it it
 neat to point out the extra lever, but above that...  If you need a higher
 gear than your new low range first, try third.  I believe that third gear
 with the new low gears is like the stock low 1st.  that still leaves 4th, and
 5th as your old 2nd and 3rd.  If you need to go faster than that, switch back
 to 4HI.  Does this make sense?  Although I feel this way, I too want to hear
 from Marlin owners and what they think.
 David
 DRM033@aol.com
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 Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 09:17:46 -0500
 From: Ed.Wong@astramerck.com
 Subject: Noises
 To: "        -         (052)toy4x4 (a) tlca.org" ,>> Tim Davis wrote complaining about a "swirling rattle noise" coming from
 his tranny... I have that same problem, but mine only happens when
 the truck is in gear (usu. 3rd or 4th) and coasting.  It usually happens
 when I've been going about 50+ MPH and then let off the gas.  What the hell
 is that?
 < Subject: O2 Sensor
 To: Toy4x4  According to Kragens, Bosch does not make a O2 sensor for the Toy V6.
 They ordered me another brand, Carl....(something)  I'd never heard of
 the brand before.  It'll take a week for them to get it, and it was $20
 more than the 4 cyl.  Bosch O2 sensor.
 Scott
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 Date: Tue, 4 Feb 97 08:21:26 MST
 From: chott@aicd.sps.mot.com (Jim Chott)
 Subject: off the topic
 To: toy4x4@tlca.org>Most bio's seem to contain:> Hobbies: . .  hunting . . .>What the !%@& do you guys hunt? and do you actually 'hunt'>them regularly or is this just a cool thing to say in your bio?>Is it deer that you all love to blast, or is this some 4x4 related>thing?>Please explain (and excuse my skepticism)>Andrew
 I hunt deer, elk, turkey and javelina.  The truck is only used to get
 into the areas where I like to hunt in the mountains, although some
 people you see like to drive around all day looking for game.  I typically
 get out and hunt every year, provided I get drawn for permits. Seasons are
 once a year for each animal.
 Jim Chott
 1985 4Runner
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 Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 16:53:35 -0800
 From: Scott Wilson  Subject: Oops
 To: Toy 4x4 List  Oops, I didn't mean to do that.  Sorry.   Scott
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 Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 08:15:47 -0800
 From: Matthew Barker  Subject: PCV Valve
 To: "Toyota 4x4's" > I feel really stupid asking this, but...can someone tell me EXACTLY> where my PCV valve is on my 88 V6?  I know it should be on a valve> cover, I know what it looks like.  I've never not been able find a PCV> valve on an engine before.  I checked three manuals, none of them were> of help.  I talked to those guys at one of those Jiffy Lube places, they> had no clue. None of the other V6 owners I know have ever changed> theirs, so they have no clue either.  I'm assuming it must be on the> right side valve cover, the one hidden under the intake stuff.  I poked> around there all I can, but still I can't find it.
 Hmm, I have a V6 in my 4Runner.  It is a '91 but I'm pretty sure the pcv
 should be in the same location, mine was located on top of the passenger
 side valve cover, toward the back.  There is a black hose that runs from
 it to the side of the Intake manifold.  It's tight getting to it.  I
 bought a new one for mine but I have been unable to remove my old one
 :(.  Every now and then I try to remove mine but it wont budge + there
 is not much room to work without getting cut up.  Maybe I'll give it
 another try today.  Ok, hope this helps.
 Matt.
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 Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 08:49:58 -0500 (EST)
 From: BCSTOY@aol.com
 Subject: re Who's on the list
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 You may be giving "bad" ideas to marketing people. I mean if we had a whole
 report on who drives what, you basically would actual have an estimate on
 the toyota market for parts, service, and potential new truck buyers based
 on their satisfaction with toyota trucks.
 That may be an interestin thought, because this is a money making
 information.
 This also brings some ethic issues as to who really controls this bank of
 information.
 Ornelas
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 Date: Tue, 4 Feb 97 09:29:07 PST
 From: barney@flowpoint.com (Barney McNamara)
 Subject: Shift lever interference
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org>Dave W. wrote:>I have an 81 pick up 4wd and recently replaced the transmission with a unit>that came out of an 85 truck.  The problem is that this tranny seems louder>than my old one.  Is this common with the 85 or is mine a one of kind!  And>also the shifter is from my 81 and when I shift from 4low 1st gear to 4low>2nd gear the two shifters hit and it does'nt alow me to shift.  I have'nt>been able to locate an 85 shifter to match the 85 tranny so would it be>possible to heat and bend my 4wd drive shifter out of the way (the low buck>way!!!) any help would be greatly appreciated!
 I have an 83 truck that came with a 5-speed trans that also had the transfer
 case lever interference with the transmission lever. I know the trans has
 been replaced because when I pulled it to replace the clutch I could see the
 yellow paint the junk yard had put on to mark it. I didn't know why the levers
 hit each other, maybe because it is a new transmission and original transfer
 case? Anyway, to fix it, I removed the transfer case lever and bent it about
 45 degrees out of the way with a torch. Be sure to mark it before you remove
 it so you know which way to bend it. I don't know about the noise, though.
 My only experience is with the setup I've got.
 ____________________________________________________________________
 Barney McNamara              83 Toyota Short Bed
 ( barney@flowpoint.com )     stock 22R motor ; 3" body lift
 Santa Cruz, Ca.              8" alloy rims; 31" BFG A/Ts
 ____________________________________________________________________
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 Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 23:16:46 -0800
 From: Kevin Watters  Subject: spring sag
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org>> Date: Mon, 03 Feb 1997 11:34:23 -0800> From: Earle Robitaille > Subject: Spring sag on '93 LB Truck> To: TOYOTA 4x4 NEWSGROUP >> I have a "pre-Tacoma", 1993 v6 longbed truck & shell. Within a year of> buying this rig, the rear springs slowly started to sag. It would rerqire> a 2 1/2" to 3" lift to make the rear end level with the truck when bed is> not loaded with gear, or pulling a 2500 lb. boat & trailer.
 Had the same problem with my 93 standard cab, I bought the Rancho soft
 ride add a leaf kit and it solved my problems. You can gain about 3
 inches if you add the 2 rancho leaves to your springs or remove one of
 the stock leaves and gain 2 inches. I started with the full kit and
 found the lift too much, removed the recommended leaf (in the
 instructions) and my truck sat perfect. It sits a little tail high
 unloaded but when I tow my boat or fill the bed it sits perfectly level.
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 Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 09:07:15 -0500
 From: Ed.Wong@astramerck.com
 Subject: T Case problem
 To: "        -         (052)Toy4x4 (a) tlca.org" ,
 Michael:
 Sorry to hear about you T case woes.
 Actually - its "probably" just the rear bearing - and it can be yanked w/o
 taking the
 T-case out of the truck (at least on the 4 cyl manauls - gear driven T case).
 (at least I recall taking apart the case w/o taking it out of th truck)
 BUT - its probably not as cheap as you might think.
 If I recall right - $50 to $80 for the bearing (although If recall right -
 that one at least has a bearing part number so you could just source it
 anywhere)
 The problem is if there is any damage further in the case - the you sp[end $$
 chasing
 stuff down and more than the chearper route - getting a junkyard T-Case
 Last I checked $300 to $500 gets a T-Case.
 If you dont care about a tad of "whine" and rumble - pull the rear bearing off
 and add some new seals. - hopefully get away with $150 max
 EWong
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 Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 07:25:38 -0500 (EST)
 From: BCSTOY@aol.com
 Subject: Toy4x4 Digest V1 #57
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 Newer trannies are much better and stronger, chances are there is something
 wrong somewhere. A while ago I bought a used tranny with a bad 2nd gear,
 the fellow was honest and fixed it, but while removing the tranny I bent the
 clutch
 disc a little and that was enough to offset the trannys performance, and the
 shifter were also binding, after 4 removals I figured out the problem with
 the help
 of the same old timer that sold it to me.
 I no longer have the truck has been sold (toy 85),  by the way the shift
 fork for
 second was bad.
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 Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 09:25:30 +0000
 From: rchrisco@cswnet.com
 Subject: Toy4x4 Digest V1 #61
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 Sir, can you give me the address of the Land Cruiser Digest?
 Thanks,
 Rustin
 rchrisco@cswnet.com
 Rustin Chrisco
 rchrisco@cswnet.com
 14 Duvall Lane
 Bella Vista, AR
 72714
 (501)-855-1340
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 Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 23:19:05 -0900
 From: " CONRAD"  Subject: Toy4x4 Digest V1 #61
 To: >Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 07:41:00 +1100> From: "Jones, Andrew AL" > Subject: off the topic> Most bio's seem to contain:>> Hobbies: . .  hunting . . .> What the !%@& do you guys hunt? ...> Please explain (and excuse my skepticism)> Andrew> Depends on the time of the year and my mood. Choices are pretty much
 limited to caribou, moose and bear.  Also love to hunt new places to
 4-wheel, and j**ps.  Love to make 'em look bad!!
 jc> Date: Mon, 03 Feb 1997 22:32:20 -0500> From: MLukus >> I just bought a 94 toyota std cab. It has 31's on it with the 4 banger.> I'm getting a lot of negtive attitdues from friends.
 4-banger, stock gears, 31s, and 4-low.  You find a hill you can't go up, I
 don't want to try it with my 350 Cruiser!!  5th gear is gonna be sluggish
 on the highway, and there will be a lot of places where 4-hi won't be an
 option.  In 4-low you'll only be limited by your ground clearance,
 articulation, and imagination.  That's a Toyota you're driving, how dare
 you question it's capabilities??!!
 jc
 Jack Conrad,  BIG TOY, TLCA # 3851
 conrad@mosquitonet.com
 84 FJ-60, coils over  leaf-over, 350,38s, ARB
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 Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 00:31:04 EST
 From: mjcc@lehigh.edu (MICHAEL JOSEPH CARI)
 Subject: Tranny Noise
 To: toy4x4@TLCA.org
 My '83 also makes the swirling noise with the rattling.  I would have to agree
 that it's a spring in the clutch slave not the bearings.  If you get under you
 truck and hold the clutch slave by hand it should stop.  Mine does.  It's not
 expensive, nor life threatening.
 Fix it when you have time
 Michael Cari mjcc@lehigh.edu
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 Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 19:38:17 -0600
 From: Rob Guy  Subject: WTB 88 4Runner soft-top
 To: toy4x4  If anyone has a good used soft top for an 88 4Runner for sale, please
 respond.
 Thanks,
 http://www.tecinfo.com/~luv2drag/
 "If it breaks, its not your fault.  It was going to break anyway."
 Rob Guy
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 Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 08:26:32 +0500
 From: Mike Ricker  To: toy4x4@tlca.org
 Name: Mike Ricker
 City & State: Blacksburg, Va
 Country: USA
 E-mail address: krickerAvt.edu
 Toyota (s) year & model: 83 Toy Pickup
 Are you a TLCA Member (Y/N/Number?): N
 Age: 20
 Occupation: Student
 Marital Status: Single
 Hobbies: Camping, Backpacking, Kayaking, and Rooting
 How did you find out about the Toyota 4x4 Mailing List: TLCA homepage
 General info about your vehicle, self, etc.:
 My truck is mostly stock. I' ve spent the last year getting it solid
 enough to build.
 I put a Downey 3" lift and 31's on it first. My motor started burning a lot
 of oil so I swapped in
 a newer one. As many pre-'84 trannies do, mine decided it wanted to die. I
 found a badly wrecked '90 pickup with 12,000 miles to donate its
 tranny.(swapping a new tranny in an older pickup is a little tricky because
 they are different lengths) This past fall a started getting a lot of
 blow-by, which I discovered was a broken ring when I rebuilt the whole
 motor.It ran very solid for a while but this week I am rebuilding my third
 member.
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 Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 17:23:13 -0800 (PST)
 From: "marc larson"  To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 I thought this was for the 2WD Tacomas.
 eric
 Eric P. Madsen (madsener@etca1.den.mmc.com)
 Electronics Packaging Analysis, Lockheed Martin Astronautics/Denver
 94 Toy 4x4 Xtra-Cab SR5 & 86 FJ-60 / TLCA member #3728
 I thought so too,so when I brung In my tacoma,it wasn't until four hours later
 that I was at work did they contact me and tell me no work was needed since
 mine is 4x4.Well,I still got a free oil change and tire balance/rotation job
 for free since they screwed up.
 Marc Larson
 (I owned a 96 Tacoma before my 95 4x4 Taco,I'm 16,so when grandad
 parked a brand new loaded extended cab in my driveway,it wasn't two months
 before I talked him into trading in on a 4x4 Taco and letting me pay the
 difference.I ordered my "overstock" 95 Taco 4x4 with 80 miles on it for $17,500
 flat out with trade in from the 2wd 96)
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