Toy4x4 Digest          Fri,  3 Jan 97 00:30:02 (HST)  Volume 1 : Issue  29
 Today's Topics:
 1980 Hilux's parts
 22R Block Assembly (2 msgs)
 Bio (7 msgs)
 Electrical Problem
 electrical problems.
 Merry Christmas?? (2 msgs)
 mileage
 rear disc brakes
 Toy4x4 Digest V1 #26
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 Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 22:02:48 -0600
 From: "Larry D Walls"  Subject: 1980 Hilux's parts
 To: "Toy4x4"  Maybe someone out there can help me, I'm looking for a new floor pan for a
 1980 Toyota Hilux 4x4 4spd Pickup right hand steering. The Toyota dealer
 show's it on the "fish" but has no part number for it, everything but that.
 I can get a used one but all my other parts are new, because of the rust
 it's a total rebuild.(to much time on the beach in Japan) I couldn't tell
 that much of a difference between the US & the Japan models on the pan so
 maybe a US version will work. If anyone can help it would be very much
 appreciated, also if anyone has any questions or has seen another right
 side drive pu they can e-mail at addressee below.
 Thanks,
 Larry D Walls
 Austin TX.
 sapien@prismnet.com
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 Date: Thu, 02 Jan 97 10:01:15 -0600
 From: bwiencek@kcnet.com
 Subject: 22R Block Assembly
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org>Okay, I've just finished assembling the bottom end on my 22R motor, and>have noticed a definite difference between it and the motor I am>replacing.  Looking at my old motor, at no point in the pistons>reciprocating cycle does the outer edge of the piston break the plane of>the block.  My new motor has the pistons sticking about a half inch out>of the bores at TDC.  Any idea what's up?  My only guess is that the>machinist got the wrong pistons with a different pin height.  It is an 85>motor, whereas my previous motor was an 84, but that shouldn't be any>difference, right?
 Well , you did know that the blocks in '85 were 2MM shorter didn't you ;-) ??
 (actually 8/84 changeover) and in '84 they used a domed (donut) top piston and
 in '85 the piston was a flat-top?  If you use pre-85 pistons (donut top) on a 85
 - - up block and a 20R head, you will yeild a much higher compression... somewhere
 around 11.5:1!  The block is the same bore, and the crank stroke is exactly the
 same, but the deck heights are 2MM off of the 81-84 deck heights.  The domed
 pistons WILL NOT work on an 85-up head.... If you need more specifics, drop me a
 note...
 - - Brian
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 Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 11:13:14 -0600
 From: Steven Benson  Subject: 22R Block Assembly
 To: Michael Henry  Your going to get accurate replys from others on the list but here is my
 two cents worth.
 This same thing happened to my roomate when he took a friends 84 block
 for rebuild. His truck was an 85. After the machine work was completed
 they found the same problem. It seems as though some 85 motors had an
 oddball deck height and internals to go with it. From what I have heard
 this was only for the 85 models.
 Needless to say I have a newly machined 84 block sitting in the garage.
 I would be very interested in trading this block for yours. All the
 machine work has been completed by a very reputable shop here in
 Minnesota.
 Would you or anyone else on the list with an 85 block be interested in
 a trade?
 Anyone interested in taking it off my hands for the cost of the machine
 work?
 ________________________________________________________________________
 Michael Henry wrote:
 Okay, I've just finished assembling the bottom end on my 22R motor, and
 have noticed a definite difference between it and the motor I am
 replacing.  Looking at my old motor, at no point in the pistons
 reciprocating cycle does the outer edge of the piston break the plane of
 the block.  My new motor has the pistons sticking about a half inch out
 of the bores at TDC.  Any idea what's up?  My only guess is that the
 machinist got the wrong pistons with a different pin height.  It is an
 85
 motor, whereas my previous motor was an 84, but that shouldn't be any
 difference, right?  In any case, it's going back to the machine shop,
 but
 I'm looking for ideas in the meantime.  I'm flooded in with nothing to
 do
 and this motor is driving me crazy.  Thanks for any replies.  Please
 reply directly to my e-mail address as I'm on the digest and won't get
 it
 for a while otherwise.
 ______________________________________________
 Steven Benson
 '85 Toy X-Cab | MNTOYX4 | MN4WDA | TLCA #4835
 http://www.off-road.com/~MNTOYX4
 mailto:toyx4@winternet.com
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 Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 11:20:07 -0600
 From: Keithm  (by way of Jack Alford )
 Subject: Bio
 To: toy4x4@tlca.org
 I am forwarding this:
 - ----------
 From:  Toy4x4-Request[SMTP:toy4x4-request@tlca.org]
 Sent:  Tuesday, December 31, 1996 10:07 AM
 To:  Keith Mochida
 Subject:  Bio
 Personal Bio Info
 POST TO THE LIST ONLY>> toy4x4@tlca.org
 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 Name: Keith Mochida
 City & State: CA.
 Country: USA
 E-mail address: kmochida@pumatech.com
 Toyota (s) year & model: 86 Shortbed P/U
 Are you a TLCA Member (Y/N/Number?): N
 Age:30
 Occupation: Technical Supervisor
 Marital Status:M
 Hobbies: 4x4
 How did you find out about the Toyota 4x4 Mailing List: NET
 General info about your vehicle, self, etc.:  86 toy 4x4 short bed p/u
 completely rebuilt 22r  stage two clutch. Rancho suspension with 32 BF
 goodrich AT
 Mods to be completed in the next few weeks
 Full set RS 9000 shocks (With in cab adjuster)
 Under hood air compressor (Mopar A/C conversion)  with air tanks mounted
 behind the rear axle under bed
 Double spare tire rack mounted at 45 degree angle between roll cage
 4:11 Ring and pinion gears front and rear
 Mods that I am considering
 Rear Disk break conversion
 3" Rancho front  end suspension
 Downey 3" springs rear
 Four Wheelin has become a major part of my life, I try and spend every
 moment out in the mud or rocks as possible.
 Drive safe and responsible let's keep the trails open and clean, oh its also
 a good idea to KEEP THE RUBBER SIDE DOWN. :)
 The Tech Guy
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 Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 18:02:33 -0500
 From: Scott_Barber@ena-east.ericsson.se (Scott Barber)
 Subject: Bio
 To: Toy4x4  Personal Bio Info
 POST TO THE LIST ONLY>> toy4x4@tlca.org
 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 Name:  Scott Barber
 City & State:  Lynchburg, VA
 Country:  USA
 E-mail address:  scottb@hubcap.clemson.edu
 Toyota (s) year & model:  '93 4Runner
 Are you a TLCA Member (Y/N/Number?):  N
 Age:  21
 Occupation:  Student/COOP
 Marital Status:  Single
 Hobbies:  Mountain Biking, Snow Skiing, Hiking
 How did you find out about the Toyota 4x4 Mailing List:  Web Surfing
 General info about your vehicle, self, etc.:  Stock 4wd, 31" Tires, Performance
 Products Rear Springs and Blistein Shocks.
 ------------------------------
 Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 13:22:17 -0500 (EST)
 From: Daniel Wesley Mellen  Subject: Bio
 To: Toy4x4 > Personal Bio Info>> Name: Daniel W. Mellen>> City & State: Charlottesville, Virginia>> Country: United States>> E-mail address: dwm4p@virginia.edu>> Toyota (s) year & model: 91 4Runner>> Are you a TLCA Member (Y/N/Number?): N>> Age: 20>> Occupation: Programmer/Analyst>> Marital Status: Single>> Hobbies: Car Audio, Computers>> How did you find out about the Toyota 4x4 Mailing List: from the
 Land Cruiser and Off Road lists>> General info about your vehicle, self, etc.: 4Runner SR5 V6:
 maroon w/ grey interior, 31 in. Coopers, $6000 competition/custom
 stereo system w/ alarm, 3.5 in. grizzly running bars
 Me: Student at the University of Virginia, Electrical Engineering
 (minor in Computer Science), work at the Systems Office
 programming), play club soccer at UVA, permanent residence is in
 Yorktown Virginia.
 ------------------------------
 Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 11:02:28 -0800
 From: Michael Roldan  Subject: Bio
 To: toy4x4@tlca.org
 Mike Roldan's Bio...
 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 Name: Michael Roldan
 City & State: Mission Viejo, CA
 Country: USA
 E-mail address: mroldan@qds.com
 Toyota (s) year & model: 90 4Runner (and indirectly, through my
 father, an 95 Extra Cab Truck.)
 Are you a TLCA Member (Y/N/Number?): N
 Age: 34
 Occupation: Software Engineer
 Marital Status: Married (with 2 children)
 Hobbies: Guitar Playing, Hiking, Fishing, Stargazing, and
 of course 4x4ing.
 How did you find out about the Toyota 4x4 Mailing List:
 Newsgroup: rec.auto.4x4
 General info about your vehicle, self, etc.:
 90 4Runner SR5 with 104K mi. (No head gasket problem, yet.)
 Other than the 31" Yoko's Super Diggers, Rancho Shocks, & extra
 tow hook, there are no other mods.
 My father lives in Costa Rica and has 95 Toyota SR5 Extra-Cab
 with about 30K mi.  Only mods are the H4 stock headlight
 replacements. 200+ inches of rain per year make a lot of mud. :)
 ------------------------------
 Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 17:37:32 -0500
 From: "Matthew W. Koenig"  Subject: Bio
 To: Toy4x4  At 05:54 PM 1/1/97 -1000, you wrote:>Personal Bio Info>>POST TO THE LIST ONLY>> toy4x4@tlca.org>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++>>Name:Matthew Koenig>>City & State: Watertown, Ma>>Country:USA>>E-mail address:mwk4619@nfi.com>>Toyota (s) year & model: 95 4Runner SR5 V6>>Are you a TLCA Member (Y/N/Number?):n>>Age:33>>Occupation:Management Consultant>>Marital Status:Single>>Hobbies: Saltwater Fly Fishing, Lacrosse, Ice Hockey, Wine>>How did you find out about the Toyota 4x4 Mailing List: Web Sites>>General info about your vehicle, self, etc.:31' tires, green, power,  no
 sunroof, no runners. tow hitch
 15k, bought used had 12 months on road 14.8 k  24,900 usd>>> ------------------------------
 Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 22:08:09 -0600
 From: COMPUTER POWER PROTECTION  (by way of Jack Alford )
 Subject: Bio
 To: toy4x4@tlca.org
 I am forwarding this:
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 From:  Toy4x4-Request[SMTP:toy4x4-request@tlca.org]
 Sent:  Wednesday, January 01, 1997 7:56 PM
 To:  mdjohnson@stic.net
 Subject:  Bio
 Personal Bio Info
 POST TO THE LIST ONLY>> toy4x4@tlca.org
 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 Name: Michael Johnson
 City & State: San Antonio, Texas
 Country: USA
 E-mail address: mdjohnson@stic.net
 Toyota (s) year & model: '92 4Runner
 Are you a TLCA Member (Y/N/Number?): 2422
 Age: 37
 Occupation: Controller/Finance Manager
 Marital Status: Married
 Hobbies: 4wheeling, camping, fishing, skiing (water & snow), home improvement.
 How did you find out about the Toyota 4x4 Mailing List: TLCA home page
 General info about your vehicle, self, etc.:
 I have been 4Wheeling for about 6 years.  I enjoy trail riding and back
 country exploring.  Typically run trails of moderate to very difficult.  My
 4Runner is locked up and ready to go, not show!
 I am originally from San Diego, where I began 4Wheeling.  I have since
 lived in Atlanta where I had the opportunity to enjoy the Smokey Mountains,
 and of course now live in the great state of Texas?!
 ------------------------------
 Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 21:44:33 -0700
 From: shepardt@cadvision.com
 Subject: Bio
 To: Toy4x4  On Thu, 2 Jan 1997, Toy4x4-Request wrote:>Personal Bio Info>>POST TO THE LIST ONLY>> toy4x4@tlca.org>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++>>Name:	Terry Sheppard>>City & State:	Calgary, Alberta>>Country:	Canada>>E-mail address:	shepardt@cadvision.com>>Toyota (s) year & model:	84 SR5 4x4, 87 SR5 4x4>>Are you a TLCA Member (Y/N/Number?):	No>>Age:	25>>Occupation:	Systems Administrator>>Marital Status:	Single>>Hobbies:	4 bying, and the after 4 bying maintenance.>>How did you find out about the Toyota 4x4 Mailing List:	Browsing>>General info about your vehicle, self, etc.:	Always owned Toy 4x4's - always
 will, can't get enough of the outdoors.>>>> ------------------------------
 Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 09:15:44 -0700
 From: nickkrest@batnet.com (Nick Krest)
 Subject: Electrical Problem
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 Mike (twogrls@ix.netcom.com) wrote:>I have blown out the cigarette lighter in both my 1994 4 x 4 toyota pick-up>and my wifes 1990 corolla while using a plug in portable compressor. The>fuse for the circuit did not blow but what I believe is a fuse wire on the>back of the lighter burnt out. I could buypass the whole thing and create a>>seperate circuit with a twistlock plug but then I would lose the ability to>>plug my accessories into other vechicles.>What is that thing on the back of the lighter?>Why am I blowing fuses without it on?>Any suggestions on how to get plenty of power thru the lighter without>burning my truck up?
 Mike, that thing on the back of your lighter is called a fusible link. It's
 the little brother to those dozens of green plugs you see decorating the
 underside of your hood. These are there for a reason - to keep you from
 burning up your wiring harness. Replace these; do not bypass them.
 As for getting 12V power thru a lighter, I believe you should run a fused
 line (probably with a relay, too) from your battery to an auxiliary lighter
 plug. Or redo your compressor plug so it takes mini jumper-cable type
 terminals. Or get a compressor that isn't putting such a huge load on your
 electrical system.
 Good luck,
 - Nick
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 Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 12:49:47 -8 GMT
 From: "Leo G. Divinagracia III"  Subject: electrical problems.
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org> From: twogrls@ix.netcom.com>> I have blown out the cigarette lighter in both my 1994 4 x 4 toyota pick-up> and my wifes 1990 corolla while using a plug in portable compressor. The> fuse for the circuit did not blow but what I believe is a fuse wire on the> back of the lighter burnt out. It was not fun finding this wire on the back> of the lighter. on my truck I removed the link wire and the spacer the get> the power back on but now even a plug in volt meter blows the fuse in the> box,If twisted wrong. I could buypass the whole thing and create a seperate> circuit with a twistlock plug but then I would lose the ability to plug my> accessories into other vechicles.>> Why am I blowing fuses without it on?
 a short in the circuit, is my first guess...  you probably scuffed the
 insulation or something.  you mentioned, 'if twisted wrong' could also mean
 that the connection isn't tight.> Any suggestions on how to get plenty of power thru the lighter without> burning my truck up?
 yes.  run it straight from the battery.  get a standard 12 v relay, say around
 30 amps capable.  run this output of the relay into the cab area and create
 your own 12v source and you can mount it anywhere.  you can even route it back
 to the OEM lighter location.
 one thing to add.  i'd run the ACCES wire to the relay as the on/off switch so
 you won't end up draining the battery when the key isn't in the ignition
 switch.
 oh yeah, don't forget to FUSE the relay close to the battery also.  and use a
 higher gauge wire for the 12v feeder...  write back if you need help with the
 relay business or if i confused you more... 8-))
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 Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 22:05:38 -0600
 From: Jack Alford  Subject: Merry Christmas??
 To: toy4x4@tlca.org
 Scott Wilson  wrote:>I just returned from Tahoe an extra $90 lighter thanks to my local brake>shop that installed those cross-drilled rotors a few weeks ago for me.>It seems they didn't reassemble my auto-locking hubs correctly.  (the>mechanic said the springs were out of sequence, I've never seen the>inside of my hubs so I don't no exactly what he means, but then again, I>don't really care)
 This is not intended as a flame, but perhaps if you were a bit more concerned
 with the inner workings of your truck you would haven't had to spend the
 $90 in the first place or for that matter had to pay someone to install
 that new set of cross drilled rotors. I hope if you truly off-road
 (i.e. a long way from any mechanic shops) that you always wheel with
 someone who can fix your truck in the event it should break down.
 I'm by far no master mechanic but with a little patience and a few shop
 manuals you'd be surprised the things you can fix (money you can save)
 and make yourself more self-reliant at the same time.
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 Jack Alford              Off-Road.com - The best dirt on the net!
 jalford@off-road.com              http://www.off-road.com/
 Decatur, AL
 '86 Xcab Toyota Pickup -  33x12.50 BFG MT
 Solid Front Axle - Marlin Crawler - ARB
 SFWDA  -  TLCA #3415  -  Rocket City Rock Crawlers
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 Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 23:42:49 -0800
 From: Scott Wilson  Subject: Merry Christmas??
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 Jack Alford wrote:>> This is not intended as a flame, but perhaps if you were a bit more concerned> with the inner workings of your truck you would haven't had to spend the> $90 in the first place or for that matter had to pay someone to install> that new set of cross drilled rotors.
 Sorry if I gave the impression I don't know how my truck works and that I don't know
 how to fix it.  Don't get me wrong, don't plan I be pulling my own engine any time
 soon, but that's mostly due to lack of time.  I had the rotors installed while I was
 going through finals at school, for my Electrical Engineering degree, and in the
 middle of changing jobs.  Not exactly a good time to have my truck apart in my
 garage.
 This isn't a flame either, I just wanted to let you know my reasoning behind having
 the shop do the work for me.  Perhaps my comment about 'not caring' was out of place.
 I do get a little upset (understatement) when dealing with incompetant mechanics.
 Scott
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 Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 22:19:55 -0800 (PST)
 From: TOM ROMPIES  Subject: mileage
 To: toy4x4@tlca.org
 I would like some help please.  I need to increase the mileage on my '91
 runner some.  After 52.000 miles I gave it a small tune, new plugs, wires,
 cap and rotor.  I still only get 13 mpg.  I am in CO and we are running a
 gas additive in our fuel which accounts for some of the loss.  About a month
 ago I noticed a loss of power and mileage. I used to get 15 mpg.  And decent
 power, but all of a sudden the loss.  It is a v6 with a 5spd.  Someone told
 me the o2 sensor might be bad and to replace that, but when I called toyota
 said they last much longer and also cost about $250.00 anyone with a idea
 please let me know.  By the way thanks for the help on the brakes, I think
 that I will be getting drilled rotors first and then maybe discs for the back.
 Tom Rompies   E-mail romps@earthlink.net
 Taste death, Live life
 TOM ROMPIES
 E-mail romps@earthlink.net
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 Date: 2 Jan 1997 09:05:52 U
 From: "Jay Kopycinski"  Subject: rear disc brakes
 To: "Toyota 4x4 List"  Subject:                              Time:  8:46 AM
 OFFICE MEMO         rear disc brakes                      Date:  1/2/97
 TOM ROMPIES  wrote:>       Rear disc brakes?>        I have a '91 4runner that I would like to add rear disc brakes to.>I have>       heard that Downey is in the process of desining a kit with a due>date of>        spring of '97.  I would like to know if anyone knows of any others>or of a>        home made setup.  I would like to get some more stopping power since
 my>        runner seems alittle on the weak side in the brake department.  I am>        currently running rancho pads on it which helped a little (>definetly worth>        the extra few bucks) and have considerd going to drilled roters up>front.
 Not sure if you can count on Downey coming out with the disc kit.....they
 had been saying it was coming out in February 1996.
 I didn't feel like waiting, and I wasn't going to pay $600+ for the kit,
 so I came up with my own homemade rear disc conversion.
 I use Cadillac calipers and Chevy vented rotors. The system works well
 but the calipers require a lot of fluid. When I get some time, I will swap
 my original master cylinder with a larger bore FJ40 unit.
 I swapped to gain more braking for my 33s on the street and also provide
 more downhill trail braking for my auto tranny (little compression braking).
 Benefits on a 4Runner should be even greater given the more equal weight
 distribution (4Runner vs. truck).
 Jay Kopycinski    '85 Toylet  (ROKTOY)
 Gilbert, AZ
 ryna10@email.sps.mot.com
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 Date: 2 Jan 1997 09:07:34 U
 From: "Jay Kopycinski"  Subject: Toy4x4 Digest V1 #26
 To: "Toyota 4x4 List"  Subject:                              Time:  8:56 AM
 OFFICE MEMO         Toy4x4 Digest V1 #26                  Date:  1/2/97
 ACADR12B@aol.com wrote:>A friend of mine had recently sold his 93 4-runner and removed his 3 inch
 susp>ension lift off of the truck before selling it.  I know that 4-runners have>coils in the rear and not leafs like pickups, but I was wondering if the>front end assembly of the lift kit would be compatable with the front end of>a 89 Toyota IFS.  He says that there is no difference and everything appears>to be the same on both trucks concerning the front suspension.  I called the>local Toyota dealership for help, but they either don't know the anwer or>they don't wish to be bothered with finding out.  If they are the same, I>would just use the front parts and shackle or block the rear end for a>complimenting amount of lift.  Any ifo would be appreciated.
 Should work without a problem.
 Jay Kopycinski    '85 Toylet  (ROKTOY)
 Gilbert, AZ
 ryna10@email.sps.mot.com
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