Toy4x4 Digest Mon, 28 Apr 97 00:30:02 (HST) Volume 1 : Issue 153
Today's Topics:
22re fuel pump questions (4 msgs)
Aftermarket computer..was Re: EFI to Carb. swap
axle wrap
Carb to EFI Swap
Clutch pedal pressure.
Diff Breather
EFI to Carb. swap
motor done
Questions about Toyota Trucks
Rancho shock catalog
Secondary circuit not working on 20R carbureter
Spark Plugs on 96 Tacoma (2 msgs)
Tacoma stuff
Traction/Torque Rods
Trailmaster IFS lift (4 msgs)
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Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 22:08:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: BCSTOY@aol.com
Subject: 22re fuel pump questions
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
In a message dated 97-04-27 18:08:46 EDT, you write:
<<1986 22RE electric fuel pump- when you turn on the key should you hear the
pump begin working or does it only come on when the engine is turning over?>> No, the only way you can hear it runing is if you turn the key on and with a
piece
of wire join both terminals of a brown rectagle connector located by the air
filter, then go to the tank you will hear it runing.
I think I mentioned to you about the possibility of having rust somewhere in
your
fuel system you need to check for that and then the diagnosis can be moved to
the next step.
You need to try an injector cleaner made by 3m and sold by car quest it hooks
directly into the fuel line if that makes the truck start easily then you
know that
you problem is in the tank, if the problem remains with the engine runing out
the
can then you know that your problem could be in the injectors.
F. Ornelas
87 4x4 on the wrks
86 4x4
85 4x4
83 4x4
82 4x4
85 4runner
86 2wd on the works
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Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 23:00:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: DRM033@aol.com
Subject: 22re fuel pump questions
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
In a message dated 97-04-27 22:42:32 EDT, you write:> F. Ornelas> 87 4x4 on the wrks> 86 4x4> 85 4x4> 83 4x4> 82 4x4> 85 4runner> 86 2wd on the works> And I thought I had a Toy problem... :)
David
DRM033@aol.com
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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 10:33:58 -0600
From: Tony Bartlett Subject: 22re fuel pump questions
To: toy4x4@tlca.org
If you want to check for a leaky injector hook up a fuel pressure gauge
(I think the easiest spot is the banjo fitting for the cold start
injector). turn on the fuel pump (I think you can jumper one of the
connectors on the left fender, my manual is not in front of me). Then
pinch off the return line (from the pressure regulator, on the flex
hose) and turn off the fuel pump. If your fuel pressure drops then you
either have a bad injector or a bad one way valve in you pump. Then
turn on the fuel pump again and pinch off the return and supply lines.
turn off the fuel pump. If pressure drops, you should have a leaky
injector. If the pressure holds then you should have a bad check valve
in the pump.
Finding out what injector is bad I would need some help(Jim). I do not
know if there is an easy way besides removing the fuel rail.
You might have a shop (or yourself if you have the equipment) do an
injector cleaning that might free up any particles holding an injector
open.
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Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 22:49:40 -0700
From: James Brink Subject: 22re fuel pump questions
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
The fuel pump is activated only when the air flow meter senses air flow,
therefore you will not hear the pump energize when the key is turned.
More likely than a leaky injector, I would suspect a bad fuel pressure
regulator. This is easy to check. With the engine off, pull the vacuum
hose off of the regulator (located under the upper intake chamber near
the rear of cyl. head). If there is fuel present, the diaphram is bad
possibly causing pressure leakdown. Another case could be a bad check
valve in the pump itself requiring outright pump replacement.
To preceisely check for a leaky injector requires a lab scope but a
simple check can be done by disconnecting each injector and checking for
a considerable drop in RPM (a good test-type tachometer helps). If the
RPM change is low, the injector(s) may be allowing fuel to leak past
the needle valve or plunger. These are moving parts and can, no, make
that will, wear out over time.
If the cold-start injector is either stuck closed or open, or the
injector time switch is bad, starting the truck cold or hot can be
difficult. These components fail often on high mileage vehicles. They
can also cause emssions and drivabilty problems.
Hope I could help.
- --Jim
- --
Jim Brink 1986 Standard Bed 4X4/22R
Toyota/ASE Certified Technician 135,000 Miles
brinkjm@earthlink.net 32" BFG All-Terrain T/As
Stock 4.10 gears
Rear Lock-Right (TRD)
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Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 18:56:21 -0500
From: Steve Capuano Subject: Aftermarket computer..was Re: EFI to Carb. swap
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org>Dont plug the vent line! it will blow out everywhere!>I think you'll be sorry after the swap. EFI is tuneable..... just use an>aftermarket computer. My friend is dumping his sidedrafts, and going back to>EFI.>> Where can a tuneable aftermarket computer be found and any one have an
approx. price for one??
Steve Capuano
capuano@hypercon.com
NRA lifetime member
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Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 21:12:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: DRM033@aol.com
Subject: axle wrap
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
In a message dated 97-04-27 20:37:28 EDT, you write:> I have a procomp 4" lift on my '87 4Runner. I think the Pro-comps and> the trail masters are exactly the same. I know a guy who has a procomp> and we can't find the difference. Any way the lift was real easy to> install it took we a little over a day and I am by no means a major> mechanic. My only dislike is the axle wrap I get but my frind is> building me a torque rod.> Ryan Bascom
I was having a big problem with axle wrap, and I attributed it to the blocks
on the rear of my truck. When I finally put U joints in the rear shaft, I
found something interesting. The joint had no play and felt tight. I got
the lower one out and found that on of the caps had NO needle bearings left,
only powder. Well, I replaced them and guess what? almost no axle wrap. I
don't know if that is why, but it is much better.
Now, is it possible this helped the wrap? Is there a way to make sure all
the caps get lubed? I lube the joints all the time, so that is not the
reason mine failed. Any suggestions?
David
DRM033@aol.com
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Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 21:45:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: BCSTOY@aol.com
Subject: Carb to EFI Swap
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
Moses Ludel's Toyota Truck Owner's Bible also has several pages on a 22R-22RE
swap...
What kind of book is this I never heard of it.
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Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 21:56:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: BCSTOY@aol.com
Subject: Clutch pedal pressure.
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
In a message dated 97-04-27 01:22:37 EDT, you write:
<> I suspect that those chunks are probably traces of ruber seals coming out of
the slave cylinder or the clutch master cyl. They could be traces of rust
too.
Remember just for safety you must replace both the master cyl and the slave
and the master cyl must be bled after installation to get the air out.
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Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 18:59:52 EDT
From: matt877@juno.com (Matthew C Chapin)
Subject: Diff Breather
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org>any Ideas aabout how to clamp/attach it more securely Subject: EFI to Carb. swap
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
Jughead wrote:>> I'm getting rid of my EFI for a carb. and have a couple of questions.>> I'm pulling out (permanently) the charcoal canister (EVAP) now and was> wondering what I should do to the line from the canister to the gas> tank. Should I plug it or put a small vent filter on it? I wasn't sure> if the tank had another way of venting pos. pressure. If it does have> another vent I was thinking of using this line for a second return line.>> I bought a Mallory fuel press. regulator so I could keep the stock fuel> pump and regulate it down to 3-6 psi. In the instructions for this unit> it says to have a return line of equal or greater diameter than the feed> line from the pump. Since I'm regulating the pressure down so far (3-6> psi), I was thinking about putting a splitter and two lines on the> return end of the regulator, hooking one line to the stock return line,> and the other to the line from the charcoal canister to the tank. If> this is possible it would keep me from running a larger line to the> tank. What are your thoughts on this idea?>> Jughead
Jughead,
I have a Mallory 110 pump and bypass regulator left over from my
Sammi, I know for a fact that you need a return line at LEAST equal to
the supply in order for the regulator to work. I found this out the hard
way, with a pump internally bypassed at 7 psi. I don't know what volume
the factory pump is capable of, but I know it runs at something like 40
psi so I highly recommend a new return line (I know, $$$$!) at least a
- -6 or equivalent. Besides, I just read that other post about the vent
line, you definitely don't want to plug that! ALL the newer cars are
vented thru the charcoal cannister nowadays to keep those nasty vapors
out of the atmosphere. Good luck, keep us posted on your progress.
Butch Stiles
rokitman@erols.com
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Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 21:42:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: BCSTOY@aol.com
Subject: motor done
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
Where did you have your machine work done, to me the critical part of a top
of
the line rebuild is a high quality machine shop. That was the main reason for
me to stay away from rebuilds since my early days in this trade.
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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 97 06:29:27 UT
From: "Matthew Farr" Subject: Questions about Toyota Trucks
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
Hi there!
A few weeks ago I rolled my 1975 Land Cruiser FJ40. It was my daily driver.
While it will probably live again, I need a daily driver now. I was thinking
that I might buy a used Toyota 4x4 truck.
I have many questions because I don't have any experience with Toyota trucks
other that Land Cruisers. If you wouldn't mind, e-mail me with whatever
information you can, or post to the list if this isn't too annoying. My
e-mail is MATTFARR@aol.com
Here are my questions:
1. Are there certain years that are most desirable?
2. Are there any years that I should avoid?
3. Was the 22R engine in all Toyota trucks (4 cyl)?
4. Are they still using the 22R?
5. What came stock? (PS, PB, A/C)
6. What was optional?
7. What kind of gas mileage can I expect?
8. Does a 4 cyl. engine have enough muscle to go wheelin'? (I'm not trying to
be insulting here -- I just thought I would ask the question...)
9. How bad do these trucks rust, and where should I look for the rust? (this
is a key Land Cruiser question, y'know!)
10. What does it mean when the ads say it's a 4x2 truck, rather than a 4x4
truck? Is this just an advertising gimmick for a regular 2WD truck?
11. I probably will want to get a cap for the bed so I can lock stuff up, etc.
How hard is it to find a new cap for an older truck?
12. If the ad says it has a rusty bed, is the bed doomed? Should I avoid
these trucks at all costs?
13. Should I avoid trucks with 80,000+ miles? This may seem like a stupid
question, but it seems like there are a lot of high mileage vehicles for sale
out there.
14. Final question: If I want a truck with 4x4, A/C, PS, PB, what should I
expect to pay?
Thanks for all the advice!
Matt Farr
membership officer
Windy City Land Cruisers
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Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 21:52:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: DRM033@aol.com
Subject: Rancho shock catalog
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
I will ask again. Could someone please tell me where I can get a Ranco
catalog for custom shocks?
Thanks
David
DRM033@aol.com
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Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 21:52:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: BCSTOY@aol.com
Subject: Secondary circuit not working on 20R carbureter
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
In a message dated 97-04-26 23:40:56 EDT, you write:
<> My advice to you is to go with the number of bearing balls that the carb
already
had and the size and where they fit matters. They are forced up either by
engine vacum or by gas flow.
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Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 22:39:11 -0500
From: Steve Capuano Subject: Spark Plugs on 96 Tacoma
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
Sat. I decided to change my plugs and found some very interesting cannon
fodder.
I had 3 NGK and 3 Nippondenso plugs. Yup 3 of one brand and 3 of another.
I am completely perplexed, why would Toyota do this???
Anyway, the truck feels better and the old ones were due to be changed out
at 20K from the looks of them.
Steve Capuano
capuano@hypercon.com
NRA lifetime member
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Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 22:54:03 -0700
From: James Brink Subject: Spark Plugs on 96 Tacoma
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
Just a case of whats in the parts bin at the time of engine assembly.
Both plug MFG.s are of the same specification.
- --
Jim Brink 1986 Standard Bed 4X4/22R
Toyota/ASE Certified Technician 135,000 Miles
brinkjm@earthlink.net 32" BFG All-Terrain T/As
Stock 4.10 gears
Rear Lock-Right (TRD)
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Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 18:26:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: CaldwlCESL@aol.com
Subject: Tacoma stuff
To: toy4x4@tlca.org
Hey Dan,
I've been meaning to drop a note to say that I am glad to see you on this
list. As I had told you the other day on the phone, I have been going through
the back issues of this digest to seek out any info on Tacomas. I try not to
use the term Taco's since I am an area manager for a Taco Bell franchise.
Especially since all one has to do is add an "n" on the end of Tacoma and
you'd have "Taco man". Whooo!!!
I have to say that I have found some useful info even though the Tacoma
entries are not as common. It's especially great to see opinions of products
that are in use as I would use them.
Later,
Chris Caldwell
New E-mail Address - caldwell@vol.com
(95.5 Tacoma 4x4 V6, TJM Bullbar, K&N, soon a Lock-right)
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Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 22:28:41 EDT
From: denmother4wd@juno.com (Kimberley A Johnson)
Subject: Traction/Torque Rods
To: nickkrest@batnet.com
Nick, I think you missed the point. MY POINT WAS (MY OPINION THAT IS) it
doesnt matter what make/model you buy, remember all the lovely bickering
about Toyota vs Ford vs Chevy (the list is endless) everyone has a
different idea about how a truck/SUV should 4 wheel -its what the owner
chooses to modify and EITHER PURCHASE THE PARTS OR MANUFACTURE IT this it
what determines how well it performs. Besides my opinion is my own, we
have our own opinion about how to modify a vehicle based on OUR OWN
expectations and dont always find the PRE MANUFACTURED parts to
accomodate those expectations, since we have the ability to make our own
modifications- we do, and dont slam either independent manufacturers or
individuals who chose to build their 4x4 the way THEY choose. This is
America.
ps. thanks jack & butch
Remember it's what you build, not what kind of vehicle you buy. TLCA
Member #1794.
PNW4WDA mbr. Northern Toys 4WD Club & Rain Country Land Cruisers
Kim & Terry Johnson- DenMother4wd@juno.com
On Wed, 23 Apr 1997 08:55:17 -0700 nickkrest@batnet.com (Nick Krest)
writes:>Kim Johnson wrote (as part of her .sig file):>> "Remember it's what you build, not what you buy.">>I have to disagree. The question we first ask ourselves when building>a>car, bike, etc., is:>> "Is someone already making this part?">>If the answer to question #1 is yes, then we ask ourselves:>> "Is it cheaper (time, materials, hassle) to buy it or build>it?">>If someone has gone to all the trouble to science out a part or kit,>manufacture it to acceptable (to us) specs and QC, and priced it>reasonably, I see no reason to fab something up from scratch,>especially if>it involves lots of test-fitting. Make no mistake, we have the>materials,>machinery, and know-how, but time is money (and money is money).>>If we were to take the "build, not buy" motto to an extreme, this>wouldn't>be a Toyota list; it would be an all-custom list, with everyone>fabbing up>their own motors from billet stock; custom-molding their own tires,>upholstering their own interiors, and building the circuits and wiring>harnesses from scratch!>>Just my two cents.>> - Nick>>> ------------------------------
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 17:13:45 -0700
From: "Todd and Terry" Subject: Trailmaster IFS lift
To: Well, here's the deal. I have an opportunity to get a 4" Trailmaster IFS
lift for my 87 pickup. The guy wanting to get rid of it wants to swap me
for the items needed to bring his truck back to stock height (shocks, rear
ubolts, steering arm, idler arms, bumpstops). He will give me all the lift
brackets, rear blocks (yuck), steering components and shocks.
My questions are: Does anybody on the list use a Trailmaster lift? Pros
and cons?
Looks pretty easy to install, is it? ( I've done clutches, head gaskets,
timing chains, motor swaps, lockers, etc.) Opinion? good move or bad
move?
Thanks
Todd
87 Toyota 4X4, EZ Lockers F/R, 30-11.50-15 TSL SX's, 15X8 AR 26's,
RS 5000's, Ramsey front bumper, Custom Nerfs, Custom rear bumper,
Custom body by Sierra Nevada.
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Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 08:34:37 -0400
From: Bob Bascom Subject: Trailmaster IFS lift
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
I have a procomp 4" lift on my '87 4Runner. I think the Pro-comps and
the trail masters are exactly the same. I know a guy who has a procomp
and we can't find the difference. Any way the lift was real easy to
install it took we a little over a day and I am by no means a major
mechanic. My only dislike is the axle wrap I get but my frind is
building me a torque rod. Watch the sway bar drop brackets when i pus
the truck in fourwheel drive after putting in the lift it beat the !@#@#
out of the zirq fitting on the drive shaft so I had to lower the shart a
little more using a couple of washers. Hope that helped sorry about the
length.
Ryan Bascom
bascom@erols.com
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Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 20:56:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: DRM033@aol.com
Subject: Trailmaster IFS lift
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
In a message dated 97-04-27 20:17:32 EDT, you write:>> Well, here's the deal. I have an opportunity to get a 4" Trailmaster IFS> lift for my 87 pickup. The guy wanting to get rid of it wants to swap me> for the items needed to bring his truck back to stock height (shocks, rear> ubolts, steering arm, idler arms, bumpstops). He will give me all the
lift> brackets, rear blocks (yuck), steering components and shocks.> My questions are: Does anybody on the list use a Trailmaster lift? Pros> and cons?> Looks pretty easy to install, is it? ( I've done clutches, head gaskets,> timing chains, motor swaps, lockers, etc.) Opinion? good move or bad> move?>> Thanks> Todd> 87 Toyota 4X4, EZ Lockers F/R, 30-11.50-15 TSL SX's, 15X8 AR 26's,> RS 5000's, Ramsey front bumper, Custom Nerfs, Custom rear bumper,> Custom body by Sierra Nevada.> I have the ProComp, but it should not be too different. You should plan on a
FULL day minimum. It will probably take you all of a weekend. Get a friend
or two to help you "whitewash the fence". Why don't you call the company and
they will probably mail/fax you the complete instructions. I would not
attempt to install it without reading them first, Unless you feel real
adventurous. It can be done without the destructions, but it will be a big
hassle.
David
DRM033@aol.com
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Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 20:12:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jonathan Albrecht Subject: Trailmaster IFS lift
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org> Well, here's the deal. I have an opportunity to get a 4" Trailmaster IFS> lift for my 87 pickup. The guy wanting to get rid of it wants to swap me> for the items needed to bring his truck back to stock height (shocks, rear> ubolts, steering arm, idler arms, bumpstops). He will give me all the lift
Actually, the trailmaster kit re-uses the stock steering and idler arms.
It just uses a different bracket at the knuckle, so in effect everything
above the diff (upper a-arm, all steering components) are left alone.
Honestly lifts like this are kinda like a big complicated block
lift, though I think you may gain at least an extra inch or so of
travel, because at least on our Superlift kit (very similar design), the
bump stop extenions were not a full 4" longer, even though the drop down
brackets were more like 5" lower (for a suposedly 4" lift kit, and no,
we never did measure it to see how much lift it really gave).
What you will need to give him, are your steering knuckle adapter things
(that the upper a-arm and steering linkages attach too), your u-bolts,
shocks, and...that's about it. Oh yeah, I should probably say that you
should never re-use u-bolts (even though I always have, YMMV).> brackets, rear blocks (yuck), steering components and shocks.> My questions are: Does anybody on the list use a Trailmaster lift? Pros> and cons?
I don't own one, I talked to someone who's really into Toyota's, and he
swears that it's heavier duty than the pro-comp stage I--which I've
never heard anything bad about. I'm hoping to go for a Rancho 3"
because it give more travel, has more room for stock rims (a trailmaster
*might* have room for stock rims, but it's very tight), and gives a
lower center of gravity.> Looks pretty easy to install, is it? ( I've done clutches, head gaskets,> timing chains, motor swaps, lockers, etc.) Opinion? good move or bad> move?
Yeah, sounds like you can do it. Make sure you have a good jack or two,
a couple of good tall jack stands. You will need to press out the
steering ball joints, and upper A arm ball joints. A pickle fork
wouldn't budge ours, but sometimes it's enough. A pitman arm puller
works great for the upper A-arm ball joint.
Oh, you will also need to trim off or bend out the corner of the old
place that the front A-arm brace used to bolt up to (it hits the diff).
You might also need to trim your bumpstops for shock clearance too, so
be sure to check that out before you go 4xing.
Good luck,
__
Jonathan Albrecht
albr9619@uidaho.edu
http://www.uidaho.edu/~albr9619/
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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 00:55:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: AUDIBLEAC@aol.com
Subject: unsubscribe
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
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Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 23:03:00 -0700
From: James Brink Subject: Water pump replacement
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
Gratz wrote:>> I am replacing my timing belt soon on my '89 V6, I will be replacing the> water pump also. Any recommendations on either OEM (toyota) or after> market brand replacement part.Good or bad . TIA.> Jon G.
Of course, I prefer the OEM parts (bias, parts envy???). Be sure to
replace your tensioner spring ($4.00 part) and inspect the tensioner
pulley, #2 idler pulley (one on top), crankshaft and cam oil seals. The
thermostat is down there too. Now is also a good time to replace the
accessory drive belts. Some people have had problems bleeding the air
out of their cooling systems after this procedure due to the low
placement of the t-stat. A trick I use is to remove the top rad. hose on
the radiator end and fill the cooling system as full as possible through
the hose. When the engine is filled, reinstall the hose. I then top-off
the radiator. On the V6's, it helps to run the motor until it reaches
norm. operating temp. and shut off the motor. Wait for the engine to
cool and recheck the coolant level. You may have to do this 1 or 2 times
to completely purge the air from the system.
Good Luck.
- --
Jim Brink 1986 Standard Bed 4X4/22R
Toyota/ASE Certified Technician 135,000 Miles
brinkjm@earthlink.net 32" BFG All-Terrain T/As
Stock 4.10 gears
Rear Lock-Right (TRD)
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