Toy4x4 Digest          Sat, 10 Jan 98 00:30:02 (HST)  Volume 1 : Issue 646
 Today's Topics:
 "Special Policy Adjustment Headgasket Warranty Extension"
 33" Tires for sale (3 msgs)
 ARE MY HUBS LOCKED...OR NOT? (3 msgs)
 Bio
 Differential setup
 front brakes (4 msgs)
 Locking hubs and on the fly 4wd (2 msgs)
 One Week Until Death Valley!!
 Polyurethane Bushings
 poor gas milage
 Powertrax no slip diff (5 msgs)
 Rubicon
 specs
 Stuff for sale
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 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 22:47:11 -0600
 From: breeze@cysource.com (Jeffrey Delzer)
 Subject: "Special Policy Adjustment Headgasket Warranty Extension"
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 Scott Wilson wrote:>> Jeff, you DON'T want the letter.  If you're under 100K and you bring it> in with or without the letter they'll take care of you.  IF you're OVER> 100k...like me...140K, AND you have NOT recieved the letter...it's up to> the service manager at the dealership to decide whether or not they'll> take care of you.  (I'd bet money they always, take care of> you...afterall Toyota is fitting the bill).
 Thanks for the info, Scott. That's good to know. I only have 50K on mine
 right now, so I'm protected for quite awhile yet. I hope the work on
 your truck goes well!
 Jeff Delzer
 '94 SR5 V6 XtraCab
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 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 22:08:06 -0800
 From: Jason Redman  Subject: 33" Tires for sale
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 Chris Geiger wrote:> Did your friend want the tires?
 I've talked to one, and he is still deciding (it looks doubtful for
 him), but I'm going wheeling with somewhere between eight and ten
 friends tomorrow, and I know at least one of them (whom I do not work
 with and therefore have not yet been able to ask) is looking for 33's.
 I'll pop the question to the group tomorrow and see if anyone is
 seriously interested.
 BTW, I'm going to Los Coyote Indian Reservation, which is part of the
 Rubicon Trail.   Wish me luck... I got my first ding there last weekend
 on my passenger door from a water crossing with very large type rocks
 :-(  You had to crank right then left (It was tight for the J**p's with
 me), all in about two and a half feet of water, and I slid in a large
 type rock of the door munching variety.  O'well, it's a truck.
 Austin Marriage
 yeti@inetworld.net
 96 Tacoma XCab V6, 4"Downey, 33"BFG M/T's
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 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:19:52 -0600
 From: breeze@cysource.com (Jeffrey Delzer)
 Subject: 33" Tires for sale
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 Jason Redman wrote:>> ... all in about two and a half feet of water, and I slid in a large> type rock of the door munching variety.  O'well, it's a truck.
 *shudder!!*
 Jeff Delzer
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 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 22:21:35 -0800
 From: Brandon Miller  Subject: 33" Tires for sale
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 Did you say Rubicon, cause that is under snow right now, thought the Los
 Coyote Indian Reservation was in San Diego?
 Jason Redman wrote:
 BTW, I'm going to Los Coyote Indian Reservation, which is part of the
 Rubicon Trail.   Wish me luck... I got my first ding there last weekend
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 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 22:57:53 -0600
 From: breeze@cysource.com (Jeffrey Delzer)
 Subject: ARE MY HUBS LOCKED...OR NOT?
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 Bruce Burden wrote:>>         1) You can exercise the front drive line with manual hubs.>            Very important for those of us who don't use 4x4 every>            day. :-)
 I periodically exercise the front drive line even though I have ADD
 hubs. I just toss it into 4Hi now and then while I'm driving down the
 (straight) highway.>         2) High travel lifts require locking hubs, or a lot of>            parts replacement.>>         3) Lockers really appreciate locking hubs.
 I have neither a lift nor a locker, and no plans to get either.>>         4) You never wonder if the front axle is pulling.
 I've never found myself wondering if the front end was pulling.
 Generally, when I'm in a situation where I need 4wd, I wait till I NEED
 it, and that point it would be painfully obvious if it wasn't working.>>    For me, 1 and 4 were of the greatest importance in looking for a>    truck with manual hubs. I can make sure that the front drive>    shaft moves once a month by simply locking in the hubs, and if>    I am going somewhere to play, I simply lock the hubs in to start>    with, and use 4x4 as needed/ground surface permits.
 I used to do the same thing with my '85 Toy with manual hubs. I still
 say ADD is a major improvement (for me) over manual hubs. No getting out
 to check/lock the hubs when I need 4wd. Just flip the lever and go. You
 and the others have all made valid points, but they just don't apply to
 my situation, I guess. I'm not sure how much you'd have to pay me to go
 back to manual hubs, but I know it would be far more than $100. :)
 Jeff Delzer
 '94 SR5 V6 XtraCab with ADD hubs
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 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 10:16:28 -0800
 From: Chris Geiger  Subject: ARE MY HUBS LOCKED...OR NOT?
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org> I've never found myself wondering if the front end was pulling.> Generally, when I'm in a situation where I need 4wd, I wait till I NEED> it, and that point it would be painfully obvious if it wasn't working.
 I recently pulled out a stuck Nissan pathfinder that was driving up a
 hill that got difficult before the driver put the truck into 4WD. Once
 stuck and about to roll over the driver was unable to get the 4WD
 to engage because the drive line was under stress. The lesson is
 don't wait until you need it or you may regret it. The ADD system
 can make it difficult to get into gear under some conditions.
 I have found it much  to go into  4WD with the ADD system
 disconnected and manual hubs installed.
 Chris Geiger 93 4Runner http://geiger.mcl.ucsb.edu/offroad.html
 and no more ADD
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 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:38:12 -0600
 From: breeze@cysource.com (Jeffrey Delzer)
 Subject: ARE MY HUBS LOCKED...OR NOT?
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 Chris Geiger wrote:>>> I've never found myself wondering if the front end was pulling.>> Generally, when I'm in a situation where I need 4wd, I wait till I NEED>> it, and that point it would be painfully obvious if it wasn't working.>> I recently pulled out a stuck Nissan pathfinder that was driving up a> hill that got difficult before the driver put the truck into 4WD. Once> stuck and about to roll over the driver was unable to get the 4WD> to engage because the drive line was under stress. The lesson is> don't wait until you need it or you may regret it. The ADD system> can make it difficult to get into gear under some conditions.> I have found it much  to go into  4WD with the ADD system> disconnected and manual hubs installed.
 When I said I wait till I need it, perhaps that was a poor choice of
 words. Then again, not counting that time I was sidehilling a sand dune
 north of Las Vegas, I'm not often in situations where I'm stuck and
 about to roll. :)
 Point well taken, but you still can't have my ADD hubs!
 Jeff Delzer
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 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 15:27:27 -0800
 From: "John M. Smith"  Subject: Bio
 To: toy4x4@tlca.org
 Name: John M.Smith
 City And State: Newbury Park, California
 Country: USA
 Email: jmsgen@earthlink.net
 1992 Toyota DLX 4x4
 Age: 30 (just turned)
 Occupation: General Contractor
 Martial Status: Single
 Hobbies: Surfing, Snowboarding, Jet Skiing, Motorcycles -
 (Street and Dirt), Mountain Bikes, Off Roading
 List???- just surfing through
 Vehicle Info: 1992 White, standard cab v6, K&N, Dynomax muffler, Downey
 Torsion Bars, Downey Double Shock up front, Downey Truss Rod up front,
 Add a leaf in the rear, Dick Cepek pre runner shocks in rear, Doetsch
 Tech up front, Innovation 4Runner style shell, BFG 32's on SR5 rims,
 prerunner front bumper, 95 4 Runner triple deck stereo.
 Looking to add blue buckets and center console and any other power mods
 that are simple and cheap for the V6, so if you have any info please let
 me know jmsgen@earthlink.net
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 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 17:54:35 -0600
 From: Clif Moyers  Subject: Differential setup
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
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 Darren sent me an excellent description of the "process" of setting up a
 differential.  Thought others might find it useful!
 Clif
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 YOU WROTE:
 I am interested in the process you described to Karl.  I will probably
 be in mine sometime in the near future and have never been in a "chunk"
 before.
 You stated:>You setup the gears by feel first to>get them close for measuring,then setup the dial indicator>perpendicular>to the pinion to measure the movement between the ring and pinion>(backlash).You must hold the pinion from moving during this>operation,and check for any runout on the ring gear with the indicator.
 Is the dial indicator looking at runout of the carrier in the axle
 dimension?  How is this adjusted?  I guess I'll go pull out the manual
 and review this.
 This is my next project after getting my 22re put back together (block
 at machnie shop right now).  The rear end makes a droning sound at about
 70mph that I've been unable to locate externally.  Not tires!  Not
 U-joints (replaced these a couple of months ago).  Ideas?
 Clif
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 Clif Moyers
 (cmoyers@mickey.cti-pet.com)
 Differential BACKLASH AND PRELOAD
 CLIF,differential setup is not really a hard thing to do if you have the
 proper tools.A dial indicator with a magnetic base is essential.You just
 can't "feel" 0.01".Regardless,even if you do set them up yourself,i
 would still bring them to a shop to be checked out.That will show you
 any mistakes you might have made,and you will know for next time.
 The dial indicator is used to measure the backlash (clearance)between
 the R+P gears.It is also used for checking for any runout or wobble in
 the ring gear.
 Check out http://www.thegrid.net/thedrivetrainpage/diff.htm
 To get bearing preload set properly is a little different because it is
 done in many different ways.The method i prefer(i have used all of
 them)is to    1) set the backlash close by feel
 2) tighten the bearing adjusters slightly
 3) setup the dial indicator and check backlash
 4) adjust the bearing adjusters to get lash to spec
 (0.06-                  0.10)
 5) use an o ring(dental)pick to check the rollers in the
 diff carrier bearings.What you want to do is back
 off                   one of the bearing adjusters until you can rotate
 the                   rollers with the pick while the bearing is
 stationary.
 Then tighten the adjuster until you can't turn
 the                  rollers with the pick.Tighten the adjuster enough
 to                  get the lock tab bolted back up.You're done!
 Do step 5 with the diff rotated so the carrier weight is on the bearing
 that you're not working on,preferably the ring gear side.You only need
 to adjust one of the bearings because it will affect the preload on both
 bearings.You really dont need a lot of preload and they can be run at
 almost zero preload.There is another way to set preload thats more high
 tech,but really unneccesary.This method uses the dial indicator to set
 it.I have used both methods with equal success.
 After you have the bearing adjuster clips bolted back on the caps go
 back and check lash and runout or any differencs in lash around the
 gear.
 The most important thing to remember is cleanliness.Everything must be
 spotless.Also I personally do not oil anything until all the gears are
 all setup(except pinion bearings wich i oil after i set depth).By
 leaving everything dry you will have more accurate readings and i find
 that the dirt tends to cling to the oil when it gets on your hands,tools
 and everything else.One thing to watch for is dirt or grit between the
 ring gear and the diff carrier,it will mess up all setup procedures.If
 you find you have some ring gear runout,check for dirty parts.
 CLIF I HOPE MY METHOD WORKS FOR YOU!I HOPE THIS HELPS OUT,AND IF YOU
 HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT ALL,JUST ASK!
 DARREN FLOEN
 85 XTRACAB 4X4
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 Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 17:19:26 -0700
 From: daves8@juno.com (DAVE SCHOENBERG)
 Subject: front brakes
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 Hi-Lift jack goes to the radiator, doesn't it?
 Dave Schoenberg, Arvada, Colorado-----Who else gives advice like this???
 '81 Toy/'86 EFI engine/5-spd/xfer--an' I did it all myself, with NO
 Liquid Nails!!
 Brakes and heater both work exceedingly well, thank you.
 Thank You for subscribing to "Dave's Automotively Mechanical Humor Line".
 DaveS8@Juno.com
 On Fri, 09 Jan 1998 13:53:19 -0500 Charles Brooks
 writes:>I just use a couple of thermostats bent to the proper size and held>together with liquid nails! Attach the Hi-Lift jack and...
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 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 17:30:39 -0800
 From: Jim Brink  Subject: front brakes
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 JC Nordyke wrote:>>   You're close, it's 52mm.
 It is 54MM.
 - --
 Jim Brink--Toyota/ASE Certified Technician             '86 Std. Bed 22R
 Manhattan Beach, CA				   32x11.50/15 BFG M/Ts
 ToyTech@off-road.com
 http://geiger.mcl.ucsb.edu/jim/jim.html
 ************************************************************************
 TLCA# 6184/ Friends of the Mojave Road (FOMR)
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 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 22:39:20 -0600
 From: breeze@cysource.com (Jeffrey Delzer)
 Subject: front brakes
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 Jim Brink wrote:>> JC Nordyke wrote:>>>>   You're close, it's 52mm.>> It is 54MM.> --
 What's a few millimeters between friends? Besides, size isn't
 everything. It's how you use it that counts.
 Signed, 56MM
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 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:34:10 -0800
 From: Jim Brink  Subject: front brakes
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 Jeffrey Delzer wrote:>> What's a few millimeters between friends? Besides, size isn't> everything. It's how you use it that counts.>> Signed, 56MM
 Show off :-)
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 Jim Brink--Toyota/ASE Certified Technician             '86 Std. Bed 22R
 Manhattan Beach, CA				   32x11.50/15 BFG M/Ts
 ToyTech@off-road.com
 http://geiger.mcl.ucsb.edu/jim/jim.html
 ************************************************************************
 TLCA# 6184/ Friends of the Mojave Road (FOMR)
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 Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 17:15:25 -0700
 From: daves8@juno.com (DAVE SCHOENBERG)
 Subject: Locking hubs and on the fly 4wd
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 Congratulations.
 You have just discovered the reason the rest of us work on our own rigs.
 Dave Schoenberg, Arvada, Colorado-----Who else gives advice like this???
 '81 Toy/'86 EFI engine/5-spd/xfer--an' I did it all myself, with NO
 Liquid Nails!!
 Brakes and heater both work exceedingly well, thank you.
 Thank You for subscribing to "Dave's Automotively Mechanical Humor Line".
 DaveS8@Juno.com
 On Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:32:05 -2359 s0baker@usuhsb.usuhs.mil writes:>After Midas charged me a small fortune and ruined my automatic locking>hubs on my 87 Runner I switch to Warn premium just because they were>cheaper than getting new toyota auto-locking hubs.  Anyways, I read>somewhere that if you lock in manual hubs you can then shift on the fly.>Has anyone done this with a first generation 4 runner? Did it work?>Will it cause premature wear if I make a habit out of doing it?>Thanks.>Oh yeah, never go to midas, they suck.  I didn't do any work on my car>until they screwed me over so bad.  Now I do everything.  I have done>my own timing chain and just finished my clutch.  I know y'all have>done lots more, but I'm just startin.>]>Bakes>87 4Runner> ------------------------------
 Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:44:25 -0800
 From: Scott Muir  Subject: Locking hubs and on the fly 4wd
 To: "'Toy List'"  Bakes wrote:>Oh yeah, never go to midas, they suck.  I didn't do any work on my car>until they screwed me over so bad.  Now I do everything.  I have done>my own timing chain and just finished my clutch.  I know y'all have>done lots more, but I'm just startin.
 Good for you.  I've been doing my own stuff for 5 years now.  I started after
 the Victoria, BC, ESSO car clinic decided to screw me.  My $500 EFI fuel pump
 episode with them really pissed me off.  They charged me $60 to pump
 out the tank because "your truck doesn't have a drain plug in the tank"
 Crap.  They also did a nice job of snapping various bolts and not telling me
 about them. $300 for the pump, $200 for labour.  The nice thing about
 doing your own stuff, is you can use what you would have been charged in
 labour to buy tools for the job. Then you'll always have them.
 By the way, in fairness too all the Midas guys that actually can and do a good job,
 specifically which midas 'screwed you over bad?'
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 Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 21:52:54 -0800
 From: "Sandy and Terry"  Subject: One Week Until Death Valley!!
 To:  Well folks it is just a week before the 5th Annual Death Valley Run.  Just a
 couple of notes for next week.
 1)  For those who will be in Ridgecrest Friday night some of us are going to
 get together for dinner.  Meet in front of the Econo Lodge office at 7:30
 p.m. if you're interested.
 2)  There will be a short driver's meeting at 7:15 Sat. morning in front of
 the Econo Lodge office.
 3)  One more item to bring should be an extra pair of shoes.  It is possible
 to get your feet wet going to Surprise Canyon.  The trail drops into the
 wash and is usually wet this time of year.
 I'm taking a short trip to Las Vegas next week.  I'll be out of town Mon -
 Wed.  If anyone has any questions they should email me before Sunday night.
 I'll be back Wed evening and be home Thurs.  Friday morning I'll be headed
 for Ridgecrest.
 When you're in Ridgecrest, if you see a black XCab with a black camper shell
 and a winch stop by and introduce yourself.
 See ya next week,
 Terry Johnson
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 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 22:57:45 -0600
 From: motoplex@midsouthmotoplex.com (motoplex)
 Subject: Polyurethane Bushings
 To: Toyota Mailing List  Hello listers:
 Has anyone experimented with polyurethane bushings (like Energy
 Suspension)? If so, any   suggestions/comments/recommendations/etc?
 - --Ollie
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 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:45:46 -0500
 From: matt877@juno.com (Matthew C Chapin)
 Subject: poor gas milage
 To: toy4x4@tlca.org
 I have a 95 4x4 SR5, but it is getting poor gas milage (about 14mpg
 highway), low top speed( about 70 w/ the pedal floored) and the engine
 races before it switches gears.(its an automatic)  There also is a weird
 grinding/ clicking noise right before it switches from first to second.
 I am not familiar w/ this engine yet so if anyone has any ideas what the
 problem(s) may be please post.
 Thanx  MC<------------------------------
 Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:04:37 -0800
 From: "Allen Jensen"  Subject: Powertrax no slip diff
 To:  Has anyone heard about any estimates of how well the new no slip
 differential will work? They told me today that it works as smoothly as an
 open diff, with 100% power transfer like a locker.  The 8" V6 version will
 not b e ready until April.
 Do we install a True Trac this month, or is the no slip going to be worth
 the wait until April? That is the question?
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 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 19:39:29 -0500
 From: Darren Floen  Subject: Powertrax no slip diff
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 Has anyone heard about any estimates of how well the new no slip
 differential will work? They told me today that it works as smoothly as
 an
 open diff, with 100% power transfer like a locker.  The 8" V6 version
 will
 not b e ready until April.
 Do we install a True Trac this month, or is the no slip going to be
 worth
 the wait until April? That is the question?
 I love my front true-trac,it does everything i want it to do.
 Darren
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 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 22:31:05 -0800
 From: Chris  Subject: Powertrax no slip diff
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
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 Where can I get one I have never heard of one??
 I drive a 86' xtra cab, mostly stock and would like to add on.
 Please give me a # or Homepage for this place.
 Thanks in advance.
 Chris Austin Jr.
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 Where can I get one I have never heard of one??

I drive a 86' xtra cab, mostly stock and would like to add on.

Please give me a # or Homepage for this place.
Thanks in advance.

Chris Austin
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 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:00:15 -0500
 From: Kevin Watters  Subject: Powertrax no slip diff
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org> Where can I get one I have never heard of one??> I drive a 86' xtra cab, mostly stock and would like to add on.> Please give me a # or Homepage for this place.>> Thanks in advance.> Chris Austin Jr.> try  http://www.powertrax.com
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 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 21:10:26 -0800
 From: Brandon Miller  Subject: Powertrax no slip diff
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 That would be the lock right...
 Kevin Watters wrote:>> Where can I get one I have never heard of one??>> I drive a 86' xtra cab, mostly stock and would like to add on.>> Please give me a # or Homepage for this place.>>>> Thanks in advance.>> Chris Austin Jr.>>>  try  http://www.powertrax.com
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 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 23:50:13 -0800
 From: Jason Redman  Subject: Rubicon
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 Brandon Miller wrote:> Did you say Rubicon, cause that is under snow right now, thought the> Los> Coyote Indian Reservation was in San Diego?
 Yeah, there is snow up there (at least there was last weekend).  The Los
 Coyote Indian Reservation is actually about 8 miles outside Warner
 Springs, which is northeast of San Diego, and alot higher than sea
 level.
 Austin Marriage
 yeti@inetworld.net
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 Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:26:20 -0700
 From: "Jeffery Zicko"  Subject: specs
 To: toy4x4@tlca.org
 hi all
 I'm new to the list and had a few questions. I just got my 1992
 toyota 4x4 extnd cab with the 4cyl 22-Re motor the truck is stock.
 I justwant to know if any one knows the stock gearing on the truck
 and any other specs you could offer would be greatly appreciated.
 thanks in advance
 jeff zicko
 p.s. if you like you can post to me directly at
 Jzicko@alert.alert.com
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 Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:13:14 EST
 From: JOEMAMA135  Subject: Stuff for sale
 To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
 Would you consider selling just the TRD posi from the 7.5 ifs diff,  probably
 not, but I thought I might as well take a shot at it.
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