Toyota 4x4 digest:     Wednesday, November 4 1998     Volume 02 : Number 169
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 Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 00:09:15 -0500
 From: "Ken Flesher"  Subject: RE: Need help with 88 22re head
 Jeremiah:
 Here's an offer: I have a complete shop manual from my old '85 4Runner, that
 has the same 22RE engine. I'm happy to photocopy the chapter on Engine info
 and rebuilding the head, and mail it to you Express Mail, you should have it
 by Friday. The other option is to fax it to you, but it's 45 pages total, so
 this would probably take 3-4 batches. It's up to you, I don't mind doing
 either one, I have a fax machine right on my desk so it's real easy.
 Reply directly to my email, or call me to let me know if I can help:
 603-862-3065.
 - -KLF> -----Original Message-----> From: owner-toy4x4@tlca.org [mailto:owner-toy4x4@tlca.org]On Behalf Of> JHansen@csw.L-3com.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 1998 6:50 PM> To: toy4x4@tlca.org> Subject: Need help with 88 22re head>>>>     I overheated my head a few weeks ago and warped it pretty bad.  It> took my a long time but I finally got it off and into the shop and it is> now ready to go back on.  The problem is that I am a 1 banana mechanic.> It is my daily driver and has caused me much stress not having it and> now I need to get it back together and running.  I tried to order the> repair manuals from Toyota but they are back ordered for weeks and I> can't wait, and I didn't keep nearly as good of track of what I took off> of where as I should of.  I don't really want to try and put it back on> without the necessary pages from the manual and I was wondering if> anyone would be willing to do a lot of copying for me (I am more than> willing to pay for the copying, shipping, etc.)  I need all of the pages
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 Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 00:21:55 -0500
 From: Nicholas Mullett  Subject: Re: Fender/Bumper
 Sorry about the language, just used to talking to friends...
 I have a 95 Toy 4x4  Black
 If I have to pay for a bumper, I would rather put a winch mount style
 on or a heavy duty pre-runner style.
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 Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 21:32:18 -0800
 From: Scott Cousens  Subject: RE: Toyota 4x4 digest: V2 #163
 My take on AWD/4WD is as follows. Hopefully this will answer most of your
 questions.
 The names that come out are put out by the marketing people to try and
 distinguish their whiz bang new system as the latest and greatest.
 I boil it all down to 3 systems.
 1. Parttime 4wd. Basic system with a transfer case that is manually switched
 from 2wd to 4wd. In 4wd the front and rear drive shaft are 'locked together'
 thus requiring some slip of the wheels when cornering. (4runner)
 2. AWD. Basically all four wheels drive the vehicle, but there is no
 transfer case with low range. (Audi Quattro, newer Subarus)
 3. Fulltime 4wd/Permanent 4wd (or whatever the latest name is). Basically
 similar to AWD, except that there is a transfer case with low range. (TLC
 80). Different systems work in different ways, some use viscous coupling,
 others use other technologies. Newer systems on some vehicles vary (on the
 fly) which wheels get power. You can often 'lock' this center diff to make
 it a bit like parttime 4wd.
 Locking the diffs and/or center diff puts lots of strain on the drive train.
 If you drive this way for an extended period of time on a hard surface, you
 may blow something (tcase for example).
 These are three systems that *I* break everything down into. The last two
 are where todays technology is making the largest advancements and changes,
 so these systems will probably undergo all sorts of changes. Things can also
 get a bit fuzzy when a SUV has no low range, but for all intents and
 purposes looks like it should be a '4wd'. I consider them to be AWD.
 - -scott
 '90 runner
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 Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 21:13:56 +0000
 From: Menko Johnson  Subject: Replacing U-Joints
 The front and rear ujoints on my rear driveshaft are shot, and I need to replace them.  Can anyone give me some hints and tricks for doing this?  I looked for a page someone posted a while back about doing this procedure, but couldn't find it.  I'm planning to go with stock unless someone has found some stout aftermarket joints.  Please let me know soon cause I have to get it done soon!  Thanks!
 Menko
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 Kravis Leadership Institute
 Claremont, CA 91711
 (909) 607-7030 or 621-8743
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 Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 00:02:46 -0600
 From: "Scotti, Chris L."  Subject: Torque Rods??? Maybe
 I have noticed that make truck does the infamous dip and swerve on pavement.
 It has done this since I purchased it 8 months ago (with a Stage 2 kit
 already on it).  I have lived with it until now because I did not know what
 it was. I actually at one point thought it was a brake distribution problem
 (master cylinder) and had it checked out to no avail.
 I admit I do not even know where the torque rod is or what to look for.
 Could someone please help with dignosing this problem?  Also what is the
 estimated cost of the adjustable rancho version.
 Thanks,
 Chris Scotti
 cscotti@cwcomp.com
 1995 Still Smooshed Toyota 4runner w/ Procomp 4" Lift & 33" M/T's, ARB Rear,
 EZ-Locker Front, Lots of Lights and Techno Gadgets
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 Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 22:11:37 +0000
 From: Menko Johnson  Subject: RMOR have a web page?
 The subject line says it all.... ;-)
 MJ
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 Kravis Leadership Institute
 Claremont, CA 91711
 (909) 607-7030 or 621-8743
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 Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 23:26:38 -0800
 From: Dan Boucher  Subject: Re: Fender/Bumper
 Nicholas Mullett wrote:>> I have just did f***ed myself over...>    Can someone tell me about the price to get a new fender, and install> it?  Also, I f***ed the front bumper.  What is a good pre runner type,> or any type of winch bumper.  Prices?  I Need Prices!> Thanks> -Nick> BAD MONKEY!!!!
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 Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 00:22:59 -0600
 From: "Scotti, Chris L."  Subject: Rolled My truck update!!! - Insurance & Custom Work
 Well I got some good news today.  Since my friend Suzanne, (the girl driving
 my truck when it rolled), got a ticket for unsafe speed her insurance is
 going to cover it under liability.  This is great as neither of us will have
 to pay a deductible.  In fact, they are even going to cover the stuff inside
 that was damaged like my stereo and laptop.  The total insurance payment
 will be somewhere around $14,000!!!  They tried to total it but when I
 popped out with the reciepts for all the labor and money put into it (almost
 $20,000, including what was done before I bought it) they quickly changed
 their minds.  I even get a rental car at no cost for the month or so while
 it is being repaired.  Alas I could not find a toyota so I am stuck in a
 Tahoe.  Gee V8's are nice...Don't think I'll do too much hardcore stuff in a
 rental though...
 I turned my truck into Image Rods/Creative Audio, a shop owned by a friend
 of mine here in Bryan, TX, to do the repairs and custom work.  I am going to
 have them chop the top and get a snap on soft top made.  I still need to
 work out the details on this, any suggestions?  I am going to preserve the
 power rear and full doors, but I am going to cut out the side rear window
 frames.  I will have several roll bars installed and welded to the current
 pillars.  He is also going to custom fab me front (winch)and rear bumpers. I
 am going to gut the interior and durabak the entire floorboard and bed.  I
 am also going to have him romove all the plastic in the sides of the bed and
 recess the sub boxes and create custom toolboxes and fan cooled amp
 enclosures.  Another thing I want to look into (since it has to be painted
 anyway) is coating the exterior of the truck with some type of rubber
 bedliner type stuff.  I dont want anything lumpy and I would like to stay
 close to the stock green color.  Any ideas?
 Anyway, enough for now.  Sorry my posts are so long.  I will keep everyone
 updated as to how the progress is going.  I sure am going to miss wheeling
 for the next month but it will be worth the wait (I hope).
 Chris Scotti
 1995 Smooshed 4Runner w/4" Procomp Lift & 33" M/T's, ARB Rear, EZ-locker
 front, lots of light & techno Gadgets
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 Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 10:48:16 -0700
 From: Scott Lindsey  Subject: RE: Downy Headers
 I've seen lots of good info  on the installation of Downey headers.
 What is the cost for the headers for the 3.0 V6?
 And how much is the rest of the exhaust system (I presume Downey sells it).
 I realize that I could call Downey and get a catalog. I'm holding out for a
 website on principle!!!
 Thanks in advance.
 Scott Lindsey
 '91 4runner, rear lockright, rancho 5K's, 31X10.5 BFG AT's
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 Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 22:40:12 -0800
 From: Scott Wilson  Subject: Re: Downy Headers
 Scott Lindsey wrote:>> I've seen lots of good info  on the installation of Downey headers.>> What is the cost for the headers for the 3.0 V6?> And how much is the rest of the exhaust system (I presume Downey sells it).
 $280 for the headers.   $310 for the exahust (not including a
 crossover).   I don't know if these prices are current or not.  They are
 the most current ones I have in my possession though.> I realize that I could call Downey and get a catalog. I'm holding out for a> website on principle!!!
 Ugh!  Don't hold your breath.....they still don't even have e-mail over
 there.  :-)
 Scott
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 Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 23:43:53 -0700
 From: "Nathan Kofahl"  Subject: nerf bars
 Hello all,
 I am coming out of lurk mode to ask one quick question.
 I have noticed that people seem to think highly of the smittybuilt nerf
 bars, and well, I may get flamed for this, but... Doesn't it bother you guys
 that they mount to the spring hanger in the rear of the bars? It seems like
 a really good wack could do some major damage, but hey I have never owned a
 set. What do you think?
 - -Nathan
 Nov/78 FJ-40
 TLCA # 7466
 nmyeti@integrityonline1.com
 Albuquerque, NM
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 Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 01:57:15 EST
 From: Dirty4Runr@aol.com
 Subject: Re: strange 22re noise identified
 Thanks for the info.
 Kevin
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 Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 23:07:28 -0800
 From: "Brandon Miller"  Subject: Re: Driveshafts>Well, the truck is a daily driver.> Mine 2, it is all I got...
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 Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 23:10:01 -0800
 From: "Brandon Miller"  Subject: Re: Was back from being broke>>Yes, the procomp kit lowers the differential 4".
 What? no, it raises everything 4", I don't get this????
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 Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 23:11:13 -0800
 From: "Brandon Miller"  Subject: Re: IFS swap planing>Hey, where'd Joe get that front bumper, that looks clean!
 he made it, he does pretty good with that stuff - it is real clean and he
 can slide in a winch for when needed..
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 Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 23:21:14 -0800
 From: Jim Brink  Subject: Re: EFI Pressure Relief
 Scott Muir wrote:>> Devin Noel wrote:>>        There is a plate on the back of the cylinder head, but it holds coolant in.>>Your problem may actually a valve cover gasket, or that little black half>>circle thiggy.>> Umm, Devin, I don't think this is accurate...>> If this is a 22RE, I think the plate actually has an oil channel or 2> and also has the routing for the EGR through it.
 Nope, just coolant and EGR crossover :-)
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 Toyota/ASE Certified Technician      http://www.off-road.com/~toytech/
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 1986 Std. Bed 4WD  -   TLCA  -  Friends of the Mojave Road  -  CA4WDC
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 Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 23:21:32 -0800
 From: "Brandon Miller"  Subject: Re: nerf bars
 If ya wack you nerfs that hard you may need to weld them to the frame like I
 did...'
 They worked well for a long time without welding though, under light wacking
 and a lot of sliding..
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 From: Nathan Kofahl  To:  Date: Tuesday, November 03, 1998 10:46 PM
 Subject: nerf bars>Hello all,>I am coming out of lurk mode to ask one quick question.>>I have noticed that people seem to think highly of the smittybuilt nerf>bars, and well, I may get flamed for this, but... Doesn't it bother you
 guys>that they mount to the spring hanger in the rear of the bars? It seems like>a really good wack could do some major damage, but hey I have never owned a>set. What do you think?>>-Nathan>Nov/78 FJ-40>TLCA # 7466>nmyeti@integrityonline1.com>Albuquerque, NM>>>===========================================================================
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 Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 23:25:42 -0800
 From: "jskaggs"  Subject: Re: Torque Rods??? Maybe
 No Scotti, unless you have a solid axle in the front then you don't have a
 torque rod on your truck.  You listed that you have a 1995 4Runner so unless
 you swapped in a solid axle in the front then you don't have a torque rod.
 You could have sticking calipers though.
 John Skaggs
 Member of TLCA# 5560, High Sierra Toyota's, Toys 4 Fun and Blue Ribbon
 Coalition
 thunder90@msn.com
 Visalia, CA
 85 4Runner>I have noticed that make truck does the infamous dip and swerve on
 pavement.>It has done this since I purchased it 8 months ago (with a Stage 2 kit>already on it).  I have lived with it until now because I did not know what>it was. I actually at one point thought it was a brake distribution problem>(master cylinder) and had it checked out to no avail.>>I admit I do not even know where the torque rod is or what to look for.>Could someone please help with dignosing this problem?  Also what is the>estimated cost of the adjustable rancho version.>>Thanks,>Chris Scotti
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 Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 23:51:33 -0800
 From: "Moomba Performance Xross-Training, Los Angeles CA"  Subject: Re: Tires
 This is the first time that I've heard the Dunlops to be noisier than
 the BFGs. I've always heard them to be one of the quietest mud tyres
 around. I know my Bridgestones are a bit quieter than the BFGs...
 Shawn Ooi    moomba@worldnet.att.net    (213) 960 7631
 1991 Toyota 4Runner SR5    192K    Rear EZ-Lockers    4.56 gears
 Eibach 2" lift    2" body-lift    RS9000s    32" Bridgestone M/Ts
 http://homepages.infoseek.com/~welldonesr5/index.html
 Hollis Ferris wrote:
 I have had dunlop mud rovers...these tires are a little louder than the
 bfg's...
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 Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 19:03:48 EST
 From: "james stevenson"  Subject: u bolts>Well I was going to lift the rear of my truck today, but I only got as>far as the U bolts, any tips on getting those bolts loose
 I take them off with an air rattle gun. Does the trick evey time. On
 rigs that have the thread lower than the plates, damage to the tread
 often locks the nut on the U Bolt. Again the rattle gun usually snaps
 the bolt for easy removal. Somtimes I get a pesky one and jut cut it off
 with a small grinder. Oh yeah I never re use the old bolts anyway.
 James Stevenson (TonkaTuf)
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 Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 01:30:05 -0800
 From: "jskaggs"  Subject: Re: Torque Rods??? Maybe NOT
 Could be the locating bars for the rear if you have coil rear, but that is
 just a guess
 John> Well don't I feel silly!  I actually thought that the torque rods were on>the rear end.  My bad. It just seems that it really likes to steer for me.>It always does it when brakeing and sometimes when acceerated.  I had>thought that they were unrelated previously but maybe not.  Any ideas>anyone?>>Chris Scotti>1995 Green & Chrome 4Runner w/ 4" Procomp Lift & 33" M/T's> ============================================================================
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 Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 07:29:31 -0500
 From: "Andy Zook"  Subject: Re: Downey V6 headers
 My 4Runner has a set of chrome Downy headers that have been on for a while.
 They have no signs of rust on them, but they are blueing (sp?) pretty bad.
 _________________________________________
 Please visit my web page at :  http://24.229.36.29/
 My home e-mail address is internut@ptd.net>>I thought they were chrome but can't tell from the pics?>>Have you seen any rust yet?  Are you concerned about them rusting?>No rust yet.  I'm not concerned.  Maybe someone who has had their>headers awhile could comment.  I know Earle Rother has had his Downey>headers for many moons now.
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 Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 08:46:06 EST
 From: DRM033@aol.com
 Subject: Re: u bolts
 This is the best point I have heard so far.  Cut the silly things off & buy
 new ones.  They are so cheap it is not worth the headache.  You will be better
 off with new hardware any way.
 David
 DRM033@aol.com
 j_s_stevenson@hotmail.com writes:> I take them off with an air rattle gun. Does the trick evey time. On>  rigs that have the thread lower than the plates, damage to the tread>  often locks the nut on the U Bolt. Again the rattle gun usually snaps>  the bolt for easy removal. Somtimes I get a pesky one and jut cut it off>  with a small grinder. Oh yeah I never re use the old bolts anyway.
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 Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 08:49:24 EST
 From: DRM033@aol.com
 Subject: Re: Was back from being broke
 brandon@pirate4x4.com writes:>>Yes, the procomp kit lowers the differential 4".>>  What? no, it raises everything 4", I don't get this????
 I have tried to explain this about... oh.... 2 million times, and people still
 don't get this idea.
 I guess they think that if you put 5" lift springs under a solid axle Toy you
 are lowering the axle 5" - same principle.
 David
 DRM033@aol.com
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 Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 09:04:35 -0500
 From: "Karl Bellve, Ph.D."  Subject: Re: nerf bars
 Nathan Kofahl wrote:>> Hello all,> I am coming out of lurk mode to ask one quick question.>> I have noticed that people seem to think highly of the smittybuilt nerf> bars, and well, I may get flamed for this, but... Doesn't it bother you guys> that they mount to the spring hanger in the rear of the bars? It seems like> a really good wack could do some major damage, but hey I have never owned a> set. What do you think?
 I am not impressed with them. They rust and they are weakly attached.
 Mine are welded on but if I had to do it again, I would get someone to
 make some. Scott Wilson has some great nerf bars that he made himself.
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 Cheers,
 Karl Bellve, Ph.D.                   ICQ # 13956200
 Biomedical Imaging Group             TLCA# 7938
 University of Massachusetts
 Email: kdb@molmed.ummed.edu
 Phone: (508) 856-6514
 Fax:   (508) 856-1840
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 Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 09:48:10 -0500
 From: "Ken Flesher"  Subject: RE: Downy Headers
 Scott:
 Don't hold your breath. I talked to them the other day, they have no plans
 for a web site in the near future. How do they stay in business?
 - -KLF> I realize that I could call Downey and get a catalog. I'm holding> out for a> website on principle!!!
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 Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 09:59:18 EST
 From: DRM033@aol.com
 Subject: Mazda swap - travel numbers
 brandon@pirate4x4.com writes:> I need a rear axle if anyone has one - so I can make those mazdas really>  work...
 I was just wondering, does anyone have any measurements on the travel you get
 from the Mazda swap?  I made some changes to my rear springs, and measured
 from the rim lip to the fender I get 18.5" of travel.  The shocks are limiting
 about 2" of compression, and I am pretty sure they are limiting droop too, by
 at least 1".  I also need to figure out some way to get the clamps to not
 bind.
 I was just wondering how this compares to the Mazda swap.  I thought it was
 pretty good for the stock length springs.
 Here are some pics I threw up on a page that kinda show the difference between
 the home made springs & blocks - It loads kinda slow (me not too good with web
 sites!)
 http://members.aol.com/drm033/4x4/Flex.htm
 David
 DRM033@aol.com
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 Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998  8:27 -0700
 From: "Kendall Carlton"  Subject: Help, Transmission binding
 I have a 88 Xtra cab with a 22RE and 5 speed transmission.  I am in
 the process of changing the clutch due to a oil leak that appears to
 have been coming from the transmission bearing retainer gasket.  I
 replaced the gasket and the input shaft seal.  Now here is the
 problem.  There is some in out play in the shaft.  While pressing in
 slightly on the shaft and turning, the shaft turns a short distance
 and seats.  At this point the shaft binds and can't turn.  Did I do
 something wrong while changing the gasket and seal.  All I did was
 remove the 8 bolts around the input bearing retainer and slowly pull
 the retainer off, replace the paper gasket and input shaft oil seal.
 I need to get this put back together soon.  I will be working on it
 today so please email me direct since I am in digest mode.
 Thanks in advance
 Kendall
 kendall.carlton@microcip.com
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 Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 08:34:24 +0000
 From: "Jay Kopycinski"  Subject: u bolts
 Hollis Ferris  wrote:>Well I was going to lift the rear of my truck today, but I only got as>far as the U bolts, any tips on getting those bolts loose, I tried using>my foot to push the ratchet but that broke it, than I tried a breaker>bar, and broke 2 sockets, these things are on there good, I just sprayed>some lube on them i hope that will do it..... Hollis Ferris....
 Take a grinder and carefully cut them off.
 Jay Kopycinski    '85 Toylet  (ROKTOY)
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 Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 09:34:12 -0600 (CST)
 From: Brian Wiencek  Subject: Re: Downey V6 headers
 OK, I had a downey header on a 22R that was chromed - remember that this
 stuff is NOT a 'show' chrome and is simply an industrial chroming - it's
 supposed to blue, and discolor in general (after a few runs through mud
 you'll know what I mean!)  The coating is to provide protection to the
 metal underneath for RUST and corrosion - not for showing off....  If
 you're wanting a 'show' chroming that will not blue over time you're going
 to pay a LOT for it - I think the first step would be to have the
 *iinside* jet-hot coated (or the like) to keep in heat, and then have a
 show-chrome place plate the heck out of it....
 - - Brian> My 4Runner has a set of chrome Downy headers that have been on for a while.> They have no signs of rust on them, but they are blueing (sp?) pretty bad.>>>>I thought they were chrome but can't tell from the pics?>>>Have you seen any rust yet?  Are you concerned about them rusting?>>>No rust yet.  I'm not concerned.  Maybe someone who has had their>>headers awhile could comment.  I know Earle Rother has had his Downey>>headers for many moons now.>>>> ============================================================================> Toyota 4x4 page: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota> ============================================================================
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 Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 10:49:47 -0500
 From: Dave Mathieu  Subject: [none]
 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 Name: DAVE MATHIEU
 City & State: LITCHFIELD NH 03052
 Country: US
 E-mail address: DMATHIEU@CONRES.COM  Toyota (s) year & model: 88 SR5 XTRA CAB 4X4
 Are you a TLCA Member (Y/N/Number?):
 Age: 25
 Occupation: PC TECH
 Marital Status: MARRIED
 Hobbies: GOLFING
 How did you find out about the Toyota 4x4 Mailing List: SEARCHING WEB
 General info about your vehicle, self, etc.:
 I just bought it today. It has 56k miles on and it's it good condition,
 although it has the split bed with a little rust.
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 Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 11:14:02 -0500 (EST)
 From: "Matthew J. Waltemyer"  Subject: bio
 Name: matt waltemyer
 City & State: allentown pa
 Country: usa
 e-mail: walt8946@kutztown.edu
 toyota year & model: 83 4wd pu
 are you a tlca member: n
 age: 20
 occupation: student
 hobbies: mtn bikes, my truck
 how did you find out about the toyota 4x4 mailing list: off-road.com
 general info about your vehicle: its rusty
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 Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 08:21:38 -0800
 From: Ken Emanuel  Subject: Re: Mazda swap - travel numbers
 David,
 That's very good travel.  Here comes the questions:  1) what does your
 "custom spring pack" consist of and 2) did you mount your shocks in a new
 location?
 I have a stock '94 with the longest Rancho shocks that will fit in the
 stock location.  I'm getting 13.5" travel rim-to-fender.  The travel is, of
 course, completely limited by the shocks.  Even at full droop, the springs
 maintain a nice geometry (no kinks, bends, etc.), so I know the stock
 springs are good for more.  I guess I need either a lift so I can put
 longer shocks in there, or remount the shocks in a new location.
 At 09:59 AM 11/4/98 EST, you wrote:>I was just wondering, does anyone have any measurements on the travel you get>from the Mazda swap?  I made some changes to my rear springs, and measured>from the rim lip to the fender I get 18.5" of travel.  The shocks are
 limiting>about 2" of compression, and I am pretty sure they are limiting droop too, by>at least 1".  I also need to figure out some way to get the clamps to not>bind.
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 Ken Emanuel                    Emanuel@csus.edu
 '94 Xtra Cab SR5 V6            Sacramento, CA
 http://webpages.csus.edu/~sac75830/toystuff.htm
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 Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 11:18:27 -0500
 From: "Ken Flesher"  Subject: RE: nerf bars
 One of the guys I work with here has an '86 4Runner (280K miles, still on
 the original clutch!), and a couple of years ago his original chrome
 step-n-tow bumper finally gave out to rust. He bought a black Smitty-built
 unit, and it started to rust after only a month or so. He had to have it
 sandblasted and repainted. He wasn't happy with the quality.
 - -KLF> I have noticed that people seem to think highly of the smittybuilt nerf> bars, and well, I may get flamed for this, but... Doesn't it> bother you guys> that they mount to the spring hanger in the rear of the bars? It> seems like> a really good wack could do some major damage, but hey I have> never owned a> set. What do you think?
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 Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 11:18:27 -0500
 From: "Ken Flesher"  Subject: RE: Downey V6 headers
 Andy:
 What part of the country are you in? Rust is our biggest enemy here in New
 England. It's about the only thing that'll do in a Toyota around here. You
 guys in California have it lucky...
 - -KLF> My 4Runner has a set of chrome Downy headers that have been on> for a while.> They have no signs of rust on them, but they are blueing (sp?) pretty bad.
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 Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 08:29:55 -0800
 From: Ken Emanuel  Subject: [none]
 Whoever it was that was confused about why the front differential is
 lowered on many lift kits--this is done to keep the CV joints at the least
 angle as possible to prevent breakage.   I have found from following along
 on the list that generally, those who crank their torsion bars are the ones
 who are having CV problems.
 The 4" Procomp lift lifts the truck 4", but this requires lowering the
 front differential 4" to maintain close to stock CV angles.  Given the same
 size tires, the truck with the Procomp lift will sit 4" higher off the
 ground than a stock truck, but their front differentials will be the same
 height off the ground.
 The questions I had earlier were in regards to cross members designs.  I
 was curious why people said the Rancho kit "hangs low" when the
 differential is lowered 2" while the truck is raised 2", and the Procomp
 lowers the diff. 4" while the truck is raised 4".
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 '94 Xtra Cab SR5 V6            Sacramento, CA
 http://webpages.csus.edu/~sac75830/toystuff.htm
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 Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 12:05:52 +0000
 From: "Gordon T. Dalton"  Subject: Re: Goodies for sale (cheap)
 Yes, it was a typo - they are  15" tires (not "14"). Sorry.
 For sale:
 BFG All-Terrains  31x10.5x15  (~12k miles) rotated about
 every 4k miles.
 The rims are 15x7 stock Toyota 3-spoke design (hi-end Tacos
 and late-model 4rnrs). It's a 6-lug, 5.5" bolt circle.
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 Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 12:03:14 -0500
 From: "Andy Zook"  Subject: Re: Downey V6 headers
 I live in PA. The rest of the truck is in need of some rust repair, but the
 headers look good.
 ________________________________________
 Please visit my web page at :  http://24.229.36.29/
 My home e-mail address is internut@ptd.net>Andy:>>What part of the country are you in? Rust is our biggest enemy here in New>England. It's about the only thing that'll do in a Toyota around here. You>guys in California have it lucky...>>-KLF
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 Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 09:05:35 -0800
 From: "Bob Williams"  Subject: Re: Was back from being broke
 Hey Brandon,
 Is the glass half-full, or half-empty?   :)>>Yes, the procomp kit lowers the differential 4".>>What? no, it raises everything 4", I don't get this????>>>>===========================================================================
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 Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 10:10:06 -0800
 From: Hollis Ferris  Subject: Re:Hollis' new 84 truck
 Greg Sue wrote:>> Hollis, that's an awesome deal...  less than it would cost to convert> your IFS truck to solid axle.>> The nice thing is you already have a parts truck with a wider rear axle> for it!  :)
 Hey, Greg thanks for the post I really lucked out on the truck, it has a
 lot of miles on it but thats ok by me, I do plan on swapping out axles so
 I dont have to buy a separate locker for it!..... now I have a
 street/work truck, and my weekend warrior, I just finished up the front
 springs today. I hope to have some before and after pix of it up on
 Brandons page soon so you all can see its progress. also if anyone knows
 anything about 22r engines feel free to contribute to this question. Its
 misfiring pretty bad, I narrowed it down to the #2 cylinder, it has spark
 but when I put the firing plug back in the cylinder it made no diffrence
 at all, is this a common thing with these engines? anything
 appreiciated!!                  Hollis Ferris>>>> ============================================================================> Toyota 4x4 page: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota
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 Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 09:35:35 -0800
 From: Scott Wilson  Subject: Re: Downy Headers
 Ken Flesher wrote:>> Scott:>> Don't hold your breath. I talked to them the other day, they have no plans> for a web site in the near future. How do they stay in business?
 They are well established.  They've been around for a long time, and
 they sell a lot of cool stuff.
 Still a website would bring in SOOOO many new customers.  I don't think
 they understand this yet.
 Scott
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 /_/_|_\__      Scott Wilson
 | _     _ :     Santa Clara, CA
 */_\---/_\'     http://www.off-road.com/~swilson
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 Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 14:18:45 -0500
 From: Rafael Pondoc  Subject: Bio info
 ===========================
 Personal Bio Info
 ===========================
 POST TO THE LIST ONLY>> toy4x4@tlca.org
 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 Name: Rafael Pondoc
 City & State: Augusta, GA
 Country: USA
 E-mail address: rafael.pondoc@worldnet.att.net
 Toyota (s) year & model:  1999 Tacoma
 Are you a TLCA Member (Y/N/Number?): No
 Age: 37
 Occupation: Engineer
 Marital Status: Single
 Hobbies: Hunting, off-season deer scouting, recreational
 shooting (semi and full auto), benchrest shooting,
 competitive shooting (IDPA), reloading, firearms collecting,
 offroading, computers, security systems, reading about
 military hardware, activities and missions, wrestling with
 one of the 110-pound, super-aggressive, German Shepherds
 patrolling our backyard.
 How did you find out about the Toyota 4x4 Mailing List: Use
 of search engine
 General info about your vehicle, self, etc.:
 Vehicle: 1999 Tacoma 4WD SR5 V6 Xtra Cab with TRD offroad
 package.
 Self: Registered professional mechanical engineer in the
 State of Georgia. Have worked for consulting and contracting
 firms in the Philippines, Saudi Arabia and in Georgia, USA.
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 Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 13:11:50 -0700
 From: John McGoldrick  Subject: Bio
 ===========================
 Personal Bio Info
 ===========================
 POST TO THE LIST ONLY>> toy4x4@tlca.org
 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 Name:John McGoldrick
 City & State:Albuquerque, New Mexico
 Country:USA
 E-mail address:johnmc@sandia.net
 Toyota (s) year & model:
 1994 Xtra-cab Pickup
 Are you a TLCA Member (Y/N/Number?):No
 Age:28
 Occupation:USAF aircraft mechanic
 Marital Status:single
 Hobbies:wheeling, computers, flying
 How did you find out about the Toyota 4x4 Mailing List:
 off-road.com website
 General info about your vehicle, self, etc.:
 My Toy has Downey torsion bars, rear springs, ARB bumper and Warn
 9,000 LB winch, 32" BFG Muds with Mickey Thompson wheels.
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 Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 14:18:15 -0600 (CST)
 From: Brian Wiencek  Subject: Re:Hollis' new 84 truck> Brandons page soon so you all can see its progress. also if anyone knows> anything about 22r engines feel free to contribute to this question. Its> misfiring pretty bad, I narrowed it down to the #2 cylinder, it has spark> but when I put the firing plug back in the cylinder it made no diffrence> at all, is this a common thing with these engines? anything> appreiciated!!
 Well, if the plug, wire and cap/rotor are all in good shape, then I'd
 seriously think about running a compression check - maybe you have a
 leaking (badly!) valve or a burnt piston that's causing an extremely low
 compression - essentially the cylinder isn't keeping up it's end... I've
 seen plugs that were marginal that could fire in 'air' but once they got a
 mixture loaded around them they wouldn't fire 100% - might be a cheap
 place to start after the compression check turns out OK.
 - - Brian
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 Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 15:25:30 EST
 From: Iwheel4x4@aol.com
 Subject: NoVA/DC/MD Toyota Club meeting
 Hey folks,
 Just a note to say that the NoVA/DC/MD Toyota club will be meeting this coming
 Sunday at 7:00 p.m. at the Fuddruckers in Fairfax, VA on Rt. 123.  We'll be
 discussing a possible name for the group, as well as planning for future trips
 and scarfing cow carcass.  Hope to see y'all there!
 Allen Dickenson     -   IWheel4x4@aol.com         TLCA #6318
 1995 4Runner Limited - "FT KNOX" - Downey 1.5" rear lift springs, torsion bars
 cranked, Rancho RS9000?s front, RS5000?s rear, 31x10.5 BFG A/T?s, K&N
 Filtercharger, extended diff. breathers, low-profile bumpstops, Smittybilt
 Nerf Bars, Warn Premium hubs, Cobra 18-Ultra CB, Viper C-70 alarm. - Coming
 Soon:  ARB Bull Bar
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 Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 13:18:47 -0800
 From: "Farrales, Deo"  Subject: Rancho arms (WAS: back from being broke)
 I asked a couple people about this issue (trouble w/ Rancho arms fitting
 on later model Toy's).  First, on the WCOR website I noticed the axle
 kit was listed only for Toy's 91 and older.  I asked about it and this
 was my reply:
 ===================
 Well the problem is not with the axle kit, it is with the Rancho arm
 kit. The ACpump interferes on the passenger side with the Rancho a-arm.
 The arm is mounted further inboardfrom the stock location and the pump
 on the 92-95 trucks is larger( switched from freon to thenew type of
 gas). If your truck does not have the larger AC pump than the Rancho arm
 kit andour axle kit will work no problem. Sorry for the confusion. I
 will try to correct that on theweb page to clarify where the problem
 lies. Thanks for your interest in our company andemail with further
 questions. Also the 14" kit was designed to fit the 92-95 trucks to fill
 thevoid left by the Rancho kit and also works on 86-91 so we fill most
 of the current years ofwheeling trucks.
 NealWCOR
 ========================
 Then I turnded around and asked Rancho about the issue and this is what
 they said...
 ========================
 Thank you for your interest in Rancho products. The problem we've seen
 with the clearance from the larger GM A/C compressors affects the '93
 andnewer Toyotas that are made in the U.S.. We have had feedback from
 peoplehaving problems so that is why we list the kit through '92, our
 parts mayfit on some of these vehicles but we want to insure 100% fit..
 =====================
 So, WCOR says they changed the AC pump in 92, but Rancho says that it
 was done in '93.  I have a '92 (V6), so I'm still trying to figure out
 if I have the larger pump.  Can anyone help?  How can I tell which AC
 pump I have?
 Thanks,
 Deo  ============================================================================
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