Toyota 4x4 digest:      Tuesday, October 20 1998      Volume 02 : Number 142
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 Relocating cat. converter
 Wheelbase
 RS-5000 Warranty
 Re: V6 HG & Other Repairs
 Re: Looking for tail lights.......
 Re: air compressor
 Re: Power Steering Rebuild?
 stuff for sale
 Re: Adjustable cam gear
 Re: wheels
 Re: Playin' with springs
 IFS lift combo
 89 'Runner for sale
 Jacob's OmniPak
 Coils
 Re: Clutch Fluid Leak
 head gasket replacement?
 Re: head gasket replacement?
 Front IFS Diff skid plate
 Re: Jacob's OmniPak
 Re: IFS lift combo
 Re: Toyota 4x4 digest: V2 #141
 Runner Bumpers
 Re: head gasket replacement?
 Re: head gasket
 Re: Front IFS Diff skid plate
 Re: V6 HG & Other Repairs
 Re: Front IFS Diff skid plate
 Re: Front IFS Diff skid plate
 Re: IFS lift combo
 Re: Toyota 4x4 digest: V2 #141
 Re: Front IFS Diff skid plate
 Re:Cluthc fluid leak
 Re: IFS lift combo
 cold-start problems?
 Re: Jacob's OmniPak
 Re: cold-start problems?
 IFS skid plates
 Re: Rancho Shock Deal
 Re: IFS skid plates
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 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 14:55:37 -0700
 From: Ken Emanuel  Subject: Relocating cat. converter
 Can anyone give me an explanation why Toyota mounted the cataletic
 converters sideways on the 1994 and 1995 models?  (For reduced emissions
 reasons, heat???)  Mine hangs down excessively low, as can easily be
 witnessed at the following url:
 http://webpages.csus.edu/~sac75830/new-94.jpg
 Is there any reason I can't take it to an exhaust shop and have it mounted
 higher like the 1989-1993 trucks?
 Thanks,
 Ken Emanuel
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 '94 Xtra Cab SR5 V6            Sacramento, CA
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 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 15:02:05 -0700
 From: "Jay Kopycinski"  Subject: Wheelbase
 "Andy Zook"  wrote:>Don't laugh, I should probably know this....>>What is the wheelbase of my '84 extra cab?
 Stock is 112 inches.
 Jay Kopycinski    '85 Toylet   (ROKTOY)
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 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 16:03:22 -0600
 From: "Tong, Donald L"  Subject: RS-5000 Warranty
 One of the first things I did when I bought my 4-Runner in 1991 was to
 replace the factory shocks with RS-5000's.  Last week I noticed that the
 lower bushing on one of the front shocks had worn down and crumbled away so
 that the shock was pretty loosely mounted.
 I called Rancho as was told that because the bushing has a steel sleeve in
 it, they don't have replacements for it as they do for the upper bushings
 and both the upper and lower bushings for the rear shocks.
 The solution?  Rancho told me "It's covered under the warranty.  Take the
 shock back to the dealer and have them give you a new one".
 Just to be on the safe side, I pulled both shocks and took them in.
 Although there wasn't anything technically wrong with the second shock, the
 dealer replaced both so they'd match.
 Now is that great warranty service or what?
 Don Tong
 '91 4-Runner
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 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 15:10:08 -7 GMT
 From: "Leo G. Divinagracia III"  Subject: Re: V6 HG & Other Repairs> From: Iwheel4x4@aol.com>>>     1.)    T-Belt                        $150>>      2.)    Valve Job                   $350>>      3.)    Water Pump              $200>>      4.)    T-Stat                        $ 15>>> I don't know about the other 3, but the timing belt on mine was only $90 for> the parts.  No labor was charged b/c of the HG repair.> could be that they replaced the entire block.  therefore, instead of
 charging your the price to R&R the belt, toyota paid the price for the
 labor, since they give you a new block, but just about everything down to
 spark plugs has to be removed from the old block to the new one...
 so, if all they did was replaced the head gasket, then yes, you pay for
 the labor on the TB...
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 ldivinag@csuhayward.edu
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 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 15:28:51 -0700
 From: "Jay Kopycinski"  Subject: Re: Looking for tail lights.......
 "Kenneth Sigel"  wrote:>Been playing bumper cars with the rocks too, Jay?  I've found that Toyota's>plastic tail light covers are pretty durable.  I have some cracks, but they>haven't broken yet.
 I found that they will not stand up to a 4000 lb. vehicle pushing thru them
 into a boulder the size of an industrial washing machine........even after
 I just cut off 14" of bed..........12 or so more inches off and I could increase
 departure angle to 90 degrees, give or take. Downside is my bed space
 would shrink to lunch sack capacity  ;-)
 Jay Kopycinski   '85 Toylet  (ROKTOY)
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 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 16:28:08 -0700
 From: "Brandon Miller"  Subject: Re: air compressor
 forget it, no pressure..
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 From: Kenneth Sigel  To: Toy4x4@Tlca. Org  Date: Monday, October 19, 1998 10:14 AM
 Subject: air compressor>Has anyone ever tried using a smog pump as an air compressor.  I'm running
 a>stock A/C compressor, but someone asked me about using a smog pump>yesterday.>>Ken Sigel>>>===========================================================================
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 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 16:36:26 -0700
 From: Jim Brink  Subject: Re: Power Steering Rebuild?
 shaun wrote:>> My power steering pump is starting to leak.  My question is...is it> easy to rebuild the power steering pump yourself or is it better just> to get one of the rebuilt ones with warranty from the auto parts> store?  If anyone has rebuilt theirs and has any discouraging> information I'd like to hear it!  Ohh, I have not even considered> paying full price for a new one at the dealer...should I?
 Sure you can, and it's pretty easy. More than likely, the front seal is
 leaking, not the housing. In some cases, you can simply remove the pump
 from the engine, remove the pulley, and pry out and drive in a new seal.
 If you need to remove the front housing to get at the seal, make sure
 you mark the front cover and pump body so that they can be aligned upon
 reassembly. Should you have to pull off the the front cover, be careful
 not to drop the rotor plate and pump vanes that sit inside the front
 cover.
 You can buy a complete reseal kit from Toyota and replace every seal in
 the pump, and clean the pressure relief valve too (Just did one of these
 today :-) The kits only cost about $25 and it certianly doesn't hurt
 giving the pump a complete cleaning. Good luck.
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 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 20:36:46 -0400
 From: Rich Benet  Subject: stuff for sale
 I'm posting these for sale for friends not on the list. Please respond
 to them not me if interested.
 Weber 32/36 carb FS, this carb is on a running 75 FJ40 and is in good
 condition, $175.  I  am going back to a stock Aisan which is a 38/40
 have
 been told by Jim Chenoweth at TLC Performance that these are good carbs
 for
 mini trucks.   Also K&N filter $40.  Parts are plus shipping from
 Tennessee.
 Email me at dsrule@worldnet.att.net.
 4 BFG 31x10.5x15 AT's on chrome wagon wheels. 2 tires in excellent
 condition, other 2 are about shot. Rims came off of an '85 4Runner, and
 are in good to excellent condition. Asking $150 for all, located in
 Williamsburg, Va. Contact Jim Giffin at 757-566-0624 or
 jgiffin78@aol.com
 Hope someone can use some of this stuff.
 Rich Benet
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 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 19:03:59 -0700
 From: Jon Brandt  Subject: Re: Adjustable cam gear
 You are probably refering to static adjustable cam gears.
 There are also dynamic adjustable cam gears. They have a centrifugal
 advance unit similar to the old distributors. What this does, is advance
 the valve actuation with RPM for the same reason that ignition timing
 advances. But, it is less critical and seldomly used. I know that you
 can get these units for most European and Japanese sports cars. The 300
 ZX started using an electronic version last time it was redesigned from
 scratch ('91?). The current Hondas have Vtec, an even more involved
 system which also changes the valve lift.
 Jon Brandt
 michael wrote:>> I was reading Barney's Threads (sounds like a line of cloths).  The stuff on> adjustable cam gears is interesting.  Can someone, in 2.5 bananna language,> explain the idea behind these and the relation to ignition timing???>> ============================================================================> Toyota 4x4 page: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota
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 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 19:07:56 -0700
 From: Jon Brandt  Subject: Re: wheels
 As far as I know, the dimensions are still identicall.
 They are NOT 8" wide. This is for certain.
 They are probably painted differently, or something.
 I was just thinking the other day, that it is a shame they are not 8"
 wide!
 Jon Brandt
 Paul wrote:>>     What is the difference between the 86-88 SR5 aluminum rims and the 89-95> SR5  aluminum rims?  Are the newer ones 8 inches wide because of the larger> 31" tires?  The junk yards claim there is a difference, but they don't know> what it is.>> ============================================================================> Toyota 4x4 page: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota
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 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 17:13:59 -0700
 From: Hollis Ferris  Subject: Re: Playin' with springs
 DRM033@aol.com wrote:>> blazo55@inreach.com writes:>>>   That is pretty damn wide Im not looking to go that wide may just 3 or 4>>  inches wider than stock would be good...I hope the diff casting is not in>>  the way! what is the diffrence between wide and narrow track axles???>> Considering that the Toy IFS rear axle is 58" wide, that is not too wide.  In> comparison, I checked & the 44 axles of the wider version are 62-63" wide.> That would be the 4" wider your friend mentioned.>> Also, if you start looking around for axles, you will need to get your front &> rear axles from different vehicles.  The ones with 44's front & rear, with the> rear diff centered, have the front diff on the wrong side for our Toys.> The ones with the diff on the front where we need it either came with a HD> rear Dana 20 (has one peice axles unlike the normal 20 in little Jeeps) or the> offset rear 44.  You could use the HD Dana 20 axle  in a Toy, it is actually> stronger than a 44 (tubes & shafts).  BUT, who wants to brag about a Dana 20> on their truck?>> Also, I understand that the rear 9" axles in the old little Bronco's are 58"> wide - the same as IFS Toy's.>> Too many choices...>> David> DRM033@aol.com> You must be measuring diffrently than I cause I came up w/ 52 inches for the ifs and around 53, 54 rear!!> ============================================================================> Toyota 4x4 page: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota
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 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 19:25:51 -0700
 From: Jon Brandt  Subject: IFS lift combo
 I want to combine the Rancho lift with parts from others:
 Full Rancho lift + lowering brackets for lower a-arms
 My question is for those with either the Rancho or 4" lifts:
 1. How much does the Rancho lift lower the diff?
 I am assuming it is 2".
 2. From looking at the 4" lifts, how much can the 4" lower a-arm
 brackets be cut down? How big are the holes? Would the old holes and new
 holes overlap if an inch were cut off both the top and bottom? Would
 these brackets be easy enough to fabricate, otherwise?
 3. Does anyone have a used Rancho lift for sale????
 WHY????:
 Because no one makes a 2" or 3"(barring Rancho, since it doesn't lower
 the a-arms) IFS suspension lift. I do not want a 4" lift for several
 reasons. They lower the diff too much, for one.
 I want about 3" of lift (2" diff lowering).
 My rear Mazda springs need more arch for more ideal geometry. They are
 completely flat, and I have about 2" of lift. I can not lift more
 without a lift in the front. I expect a  2" diff-drop lift will allow
 for more up travel (angle wise), or down travel, depending on how you
 look at it. 9" of reliable travel wouldn't be bad :)
 Jon Brandt
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 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 20:22:01 PDT
 From: "C.G. Smith"  Subject: 89 'Runner for sale
 Several other projects are forcing the sale of my 89 Runner. I'm the
 2nd owner. 103k original miles. 22RE, 5spd, no leaks, drips or
 disappointments. PS,PB,AC,tilt,gauge cluster w/tach. BRand new Kenwood
 CD player, and Pioneer 6" speakers in back, new tweets in dash. no rust.
 recent bright red paint. 31" AT's on 15x7 aluminum rims almost new.
 Synthetic Mobil one since 81k. All fluids have been changed and
 maintained. Centerforce clutch about 6months ago. Recent slave cylinder.
 Rotors surfaced, new pads, ALL NEW seals,gaskets, and wheel bearings up
 front, and new calipers. Interior in excellent shape, no cracks in any
 of the trim or side panels!!!! Rare red on red. Truck is ready to go.
 Included are some spare trim pieces, truck cover, Toyota service manual,
 several other Toy publications, including Haynes manual. This truck
 rides great on and off-road.
 Asking $9000.00 or reasonable offer. Truck needs nothing but a driver
 and gas. Please contact me by email at cb_5@hotmail.com.  Later all!
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 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 22:44:21 -0500
 From: Mike & Cindy Ladd  Subject: Jacob's OmniPak
 Greetings my fine Toyota driving friends.  I'm new to the list, but I've
 been very impressed with what I've seen so far, and I've got a situation of
 my own.
 I purchased a Jacob's OmniPak ignition kit two and a half years ago.  It
 performed beautifully for just over a year and then mysteriously died.
 Fortunately, I'd left the stock coil in place, so my wife wasn't stranded
 in the mountains of North Carolina.  I sent the kit in to Jacob's for
 repairs and they charged me another hundred dollars to fix it.  After
 re-installing the unit, again it performed flawlessly (excellent spark,
 steady idle, complete elimination of knocking and pinging) until this weekend.
 Last night, on the interstate, my truck started lurching and staggering.
 The ignition started cutting in and out.  We got it off the road and again
 switched back to the stock ignition coil.  Problem solved.  Now my question
 is:  What the hell is wrong with this product?  Does anyone else have
 experience with Jacob's OmniPaks?  I liked the performance improvement over
 my stock ignition.  Is there another ignition kit I should consider?  The
 engine is essentially stock and I plan on leaving it that way for a while.
 Any comments or suggestions, guys?  Also, did I do any damage to the motor
 sending fuel through the cylinders with no spark?
 Mike
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 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 22:52:08 +0000
 From: "David Ohendalski"  Subject: Coils> Wondering if anyone knows which set of (coil) springs I should get?> Downey? Performance Products?
 I have Downey's and they are great. Also they include the stainless
 brake line. I think others who own them would agree that
 they're worth every penny. But either way, what ever you buy is
 probably all made by the same company, Eibach. So basically it comes
 down to prices. Good luck. ~dso
 David Ohendalski  davido@tamu.edu
 FTAC '98
 Texas A&M Off-Road
 http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Dunes/4399
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 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 23:01:40 -0500
 From: Mike & Cindy Ladd  Subject: Re: Clutch Fluid Leak>>>I have another problem.  I have a clutch fluid leak looks like where the>>>plunger at the pedal goes into the firewall.  There is clutch fluid all>>>over the floor of my truck now (luckily its vinyl, no carpeting).  Has>>>anyone had this problem?  Is it an easy fix, like a gasket or seal?  Or>>>is it the clutch cylinder that is bad?  I am just a beginner driveway>>>mechanic as I don't have too many tools in my collection yet except for>>>the basics.   Does anyone have any info on this problem.  (I am not on>>>the internet, so don't have access to Barney's web page or back issue of>>>the digests).
 In addition to the flare head wrenches and the new, not rebuilt kit, you
 might consider replacing your slave cylinder at the same time.  I think it
 was another $25, but I figured replacing them both at the same time made
 sense.  (By the way, my master cylinder did the exact same thing in May.)
 The other item I dropped some cash on was a vacuum/tubing kit to help in
 bleeding the lines.  You may not need one if you only do the master, but it
 sure came in handy for me.  I was eventually able to do the job myself and
 I've used the vacuum pump to bleed my brake lines as well.
 It's a fun job to do and you'll be glad you did it yourself.  Good luck!
 Mike
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 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 23:03:34 -0500
 From: Mike & Cindy Ladd  Subject: head gasket replacement?
 Okay, I'll bite.  What head gasket replacement?  I've got a 1988 22RE with
 over 200k on it.  Is it covered by Toyota?  Also, do I have a timing belt
 or chain?  Should I worry about replacing it soon?
 Thanks again all,
 Mike
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 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 21:05:02 -0700 (PDT)
 From: Luke P Miller  Subject: Re: head gasket replacement?
 On Mon, 19 Oct 1998, Mike & Cindy Ladd wrote:> Okay, I'll bite.  What head gasket replacement?  I've got a 1988 22RE with> over 200k on it.  Is it covered by Toyota?  Also, do I have a timing belt> or chain?  Should I worry about replacing it soon?>> Thanks again all,>> Mike
 Doesn't apply to you, only the 3.0 liter V-6. You've got a timing CHAIN
 (made of metal) that needs replacing about every 120,000 miles. If yours
 is going bad, it might warn you by making a loud rattling racket on
 startup when the plastic guides disentegrate and let the chain rattle
 about. If the chain breaks, there is a very good chance you will bend some
 valves (interference design), so if you think it needs replacing, do it,
 don't wait for it to break.
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 Luke Miller
 umilll02@umail.ucsb.edu   Santa Barbara, CA
 85 4Runner SR5 22RE 3" front Alcan lift, 3" rear mazda spring conversion,
 25.4 mm body lift,  RS9000's, rear lock-right, 32" Michelins, #276, other
 ugly garbage
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 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 21:09:12 -0700
 From: Chirs Geiger  Subject: Front IFS Diff skid plate
 I have a NWOR rear cross member on my truck and wanted to add a skid plate
 to cover the front diff for my up comming trip to run Sledge Hammer. I had
 some steel cut to bridge the gap from front to rear cross member and bolted
 it in place. If you are intrested in seing pictures they are on my page in
 the new section.
 Chris Geiger 93 4Runner http://www.off-road.com/~geiger
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 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 21:20:04 -0700 (MST)
 From: Paul Nathanael Henry  Subject: Re: Jacob's OmniPak
 Almost all we hear is bad stuff about Jacobs.  Is there anything
 else out there that is good?
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 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 21:38:04 -0700
 From: Chirs Geiger  Subject: Re: IFS lift combo>I want to combine the Rancho lift with parts from others:>Full Rancho lift + lowering brackets for lower a-arms
 That would drop the front diff a total of 6.5" from stock. I had problems
 with vibration with just the 4" procomp lift, 6.5" would be much worse.>1. How much does the Rancho lift lower the diff?
 2.5"> 9" of reliable travel wouldn't be bad :)
 You can get 9" of travel but it's not going to be reliable. Everyone I know
 of that has used any off the shelf (Downey and WCOR) long travel setup is
 having problems with CV and axle failures. At least one guy tried both and
 then switched to a solid axle, must be nice to be rich.
 If you want to run 33" tires consider a 2" body lift. If you want to run
 35" tires use a 4" suspension lift and a 1" body lift.
 I hate to see you spend a lot of money building somthing that does not work
 well on the trail.
 Chris Geiger 93 4Runner http://www.off-road.com/~geiger
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 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 23:48:19 +0000
 From: "David Ohendalski"  Subject: Re: Toyota 4x4 digest: V2 #141> Been playing bumper cars with the rocks too, Jay?
 I don't know about Jay, but I did this weekend......I lost.> I've found that Toyota's plastic tail light covers are pretty durable.  I have some cracks, but they> haven't broken yet.
 Not durable enough. Lucky ;-) I just fo SnG, does anyone have spare
 passenger's side taillight to fit a '92 4Runner? If so, please emial.
 Thanks ~dso
 David Ohendalski  davido@tamu.edu
 FTAC '98
 Texas A&M Off-Road
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 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 23:48:19 +0000
 From: "David Ohendalski"  Subject: Runner Bumpers> what aftermarket rear bumpers are good for rock crawling.  they obviously> need to be tuff and inexpensive is a plus> thanx__>> Good luck. From what I've seen, you're going to have to have one
 custom built. From my page, I know that Chris G., Scott W., and one
 other 2nd generation Runner have pics on their page. I had one built
 out of 1.5" tubing that wraps around the rear end. It's designed to
 have a tire carrier as soon as I work out the specifics on the hinge
 and the latch. It has a double tube on the sides with a single around
 the back (the second tube on top is going to swing out). It gives me
 a ton more clearance. I did some good wheeling with it this weekend
 and I know that as long as your design isn't near as bulky as the
 stock one, you'll love the change. I should have some pics of it as
 soon as I get the ones from the trip up. Tubing is cheap, it's the
 welding time that kills the pocket book. Luckily a buddy did mine for
 a great price. So at $1/ft for the tubing, if you know someone that
 will weld for beer, you can get out real cheap. If not ask around for
 a good cheap welder (rarely the same person). Again, good luck. Hope
 this helps. ~dso
 David Ohendalski  davido@tamu.edu
 FTAC '98
 Texas A&M Off-Road
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 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 19:57:24 -0700
 From: Hollis Ferris  Subject: Re: head gasket replacement?
 Mike & Cindy Ladd wrote:>> Okay, I'll bite.  What head gasket replacement?  I've got a 1988 22RE with> over 200k on it.  Is it covered by Toyota?  Also, do I have a timing belt> or chain?  Should I worry about replacing it soon?>> Thanks again all,>> Mike> its a 3.0 V6 recall I cant belive you havent seen any posts about it.....  Hollis Ferris>>>> ============================================================================> Toyota 4x4 page: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota
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 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 20:05:00 -0700
 From: Hollis Ferris  Subject: Re: head gasket
 didnt mean to sound like a dick, if I did sorry, didnt know you were new
 to the list. Toyota has A problem with their V6 head gaskets blowing and
 for the most part they cover the cost of it to be repaired.
 Hollis Ferris.......
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 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 22:08:15 -0700
 From: "Brandon Miller"  Subject: Re: Front IFS Diff skid plate
 I think you are better off without one and just keeping the clearance...
 Brandon
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 From: Chirs Geiger  To:  Date: Monday, October 19, 1998 9:18 PM
 Subject: Front IFS Diff skid plate>I have a NWOR rear cross member on my truck and wanted to add a skid plate>to cover the front diff for my up comming trip to run Sledge Hammer. I had>some steel cut to bridge the gap from front to rear cross member and bolted>it in place. If you are intrested in seing pictures they are on my page in>the new section.>>Chris Geiger 93 4Runner http://www.off-road.com/~geiger>>>===========================================================================
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 Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 01:33:19 EDT
 From: Iwheel4x4@aol.com
 Subject: Re: V6 HG & Other Repairs> could be that they replaced the entire block.  therefore, instead of>  charging your the price to R&R the belt, toyota paid the price for the>  labor, since they give you a new block, but just about everything down to>  spark plugs has to be removed from the old block to the new one...>>  so, if all they did was replaced the head gasket, then yes, you pay for>  the labor on the TB...
 Nope, as far as I know, they didn't replace the block.  There was nothing
 wrong with my engine.  It hadn't even shown signs of HG failure.  I just had
 it done as a precaution.  I was told that since they had everything apart
 anyway, all I would be charged was parts on the TB replacement.
 Allen Dickenson     -   IWheel4x4@aol.com         TLCA #6318
 1995 4Runner - "FT KNOX" - Downey 1.5" rear lift springs, torsion bars
 cranked, Rancho RS9000?s front, RS5000?s rear,
 31x10.5 BFG A/T?s, K&N Filtercharger, extended diff. breathers, low-profile
 bumpstops, Smittybilt Nerf Bars, Warn
 Premium hubs, Cobra 18-Ultra CB, Viper C-70 alarm.
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 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 22:41:16 -0700
 From: Chirs Geiger  Subject: Re: Front IFS Diff skid plate>I think you are better off without one and just keeping the clearance...
 What do you do to protect your diffs from rocks? After the last trip to the
 rubicon I found some steel missing from both diffs. I plan to add a skid
 plate to the rear diff too. I have found that without skid plating the
 rocks catch on stuff hanging down. The smother the bottom the easier it is
 to slid over the rocks.
 Has anyone used the rear diff skid plate from RMOR? Any comments?
 Chris Geiger http://www.off-road.com/~geiger
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 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 23:48:07 -0700
 From: "Brandon Miller"  Subject: Re: Front IFS Diff skid plate
 Smooth is good, that is why I flipped my u-bolts front and rear but a guard
 will only decrease clearance and CAUSE you to hit.
 My diff is tried and true for the rocks, I prefer without.  I do hit a lot,
 infact I have ripped my diff plug out several times (that is why I am
 welding it shut tomorrow) but I like it the way it is.  Of coarse it is a
 straight axle so there may be different things to hit with and IFS
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 From: Chirs Geiger  To:  Date: Monday, October 19, 1998 10:49 PM
 Subject: Re: Front IFS Diff skid plate>>>I think you are better off without one and just keeping the clearance...>>What do you do to protect your diffs from rocks? After the last trip to the>rubicon I found some steel missing from both diffs. I plan to add a skid>plate to the rear diff too. I have found that without skid plating the>rocks catch on stuff hanging down. The smother the bottom the easier it is>to slid over the rocks.>>Has anyone used the rear diff skid plate from RMOR? Any comments?>>Chris Geiger http://www.off-road.com/~geiger>>>===========================================================================
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 Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 01:17:48 -0700
 From: "Kenneth Sigel"  Subject: Re: IFS lift combo
 I have the Rancho arms and I like the way they work...  for a bolt on IFS
 kit.  I wouldn't waste any time with the full kit.  Lowering the front diff
 leaves it exposed with the full Rancho kit.  I get around 9" of travel out
 of my front end and I'm still running the stock torsion bars.  I keep
 thinking about the Rancho bars, but the stock bars are really soft.
 Combined with my RS9000's at 2, it rides great.  Set at 3 for high speed
 offroad and 5 for great handling onroad.  I'm curious about the WCOR 14"
 travel kit, but not $1700 curious.  I'd rather go for a solid axle swap.
 I'd really like to have an ARB up front.  The lockright is great, but I live
 where it snows and don't like the idea of trying to drive on pavement with a
 locker in front.  I tried it once and it wasn't fun.
 I've considered adding some trailmaster parts for more lift, but I'm running
 34's now with the Rancho arms and don't have a problem.  36's would sure be
 nice though.  The width would still kill that idea though.
 I'm still thinking about doing the solid axle swap, but I have no definite
 plans when I'll do it.  When I do, I'll probably sell my Rancho arms, center
 link, and tie rods.  I'd stick with the stock steering components if I did
 it again.  The Rancho centerlink doesn't allow for enough clearance between
 the pitman/idler arms and the tie rods.
 Ken Sigel
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 From: Chirs Geiger  To: toy4x4@tlca.org  Date: Monday, October 19, 1998 9:50 PM
 Subject: Re: IFS lift combo>>I hate to see you spend a lot of money building somthing that does not work>well on the trail.>>Chris Geiger
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 Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 01:20:31 -0700
 From: "Kenneth Sigel"  Subject: Re: Toyota 4x4 digest: V2 #141
 Yep...  probably just lucky.  I've been lucky many times though.  As I
 pulled off a rock yesterday, I could hear the light cover cracking, but it
 didn't have any holes after I got off the rock.
 Ken Sigel
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 From: David Ohendalski  Subject: Re: Toyota 4x4 digest: V2 #141> Been playing bumper cars with the rocks too, Jay?
 I don't know about Jay, but I did this weekend......I lost.> I've found that Toyota's plastic tail light covers are pretty durable.  I
 have some cracks, but they> haven't broken yet.
 Not durable enough. Lucky ;-)
 David Ohendalski
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 Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 01:53:31 -0700
 From: "Shane Simard"  Subject: Re: Front IFS Diff skid plate
 I'm planning to do the same to my 92 4Runner.  I find I'm always catching
 rocks with the cross members, especially when coming down off rocks.  I'm
 willing to give up a 1/4 inch of clearance so I can slide over rocks,
 instead of catching them.
 Shane
 I have a NWOR rear cross member on my truck and wanted to add a skid
 plate
 to cover the front diff for my up comming trip to run Sledge Hammer. I
 had
 some steel cut to bridge the gap from front to rear cross member and
 bolted
 it in place. If you are intrested in seing pictures they are on my page
 in
 the new section.
 Chris Geiger 93 4Runner http://www.off-road.com/~geiger
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 Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 09:22:20
 From: Andrew  Subject: Re:Cluthc fluid leak
 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 08:13:54 -0400
 From: mrodg@juno.com
 Subject: Clutch Fluid Leak
 Hello again guys,  I was the one asking about the bouncing rear end with
 Monro Sensitrac shocks.  Thanks to all who responded.  Someone said that
 they need to be at stock height to work properly.  Well, I just ordered a
 set of 1.5" lift shackles from downey to see if they help out.
 I have another problem.  I have a clutch fluid leak looks like where the
 plunger at the pedal goes into the firewall.  There is clutch fluid all
 over the floor of my truck now (luckily its vinyl, no carpeting).  Has
 anyone had this problem?  Is it an easy fix, like a gasket or seal?  Or
 is it the clutch cylinder that is bad?  I am just a beginner driveway
 mechanic as I don't have too many tools in my collection yet except for
 the basics.   Does anyone have any info on this problem.  (I am not on
 the internet, so don't have access to Barney's web page or back issue of
 the digests).
 Thanks in advance,
 Mike Rodgers
 I had the same problem with my clutch.  The best thing to do is replace the
 whole clutch master cylinder.  It's not a very hard job.  Most of them come
 with a lifetime garuntee(at least mine did), so it's worht it.  Just make
 sure you bleed the clutch system when you're done replacing it.
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 Andrew Hojnowski
 '85 Toy 4x4 pickup
 many extras.
 Http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/saab/54/index.html
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 Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 09:45:08 EDT
 From: DRM033@aol.com
 Subject: Re: IFS lift combo
 ksigel@scs.unr.edu writes:>  36's would sure be>  nice though.  The width would still kill that idea though.
 Oh, but Buckshot (Gateway) makes a 36" tall tire that is only 10" wide...
 David
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 Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 10:15:50 -0400 (EDT)
 From: Matthew Weston Wright  Subject: cold-start problems?
 Hey, I've got a '93 PU 4x4 (stock) with a 22RE, 70,000, and it
 runs great, but when I try to start it once in a while it will only make a
 clicking sound for the first 2 or 3 key turns, then finally it will have a
 weak start.  It sounds like the battery power is low.  But I'm pretty sure
 it's not because the radio works and the lights come on.  Is there a known
 problem with a solenoide sitcking on the ignition, or something?  I'm new
 to Toyota's, this is my first and I've had it for about a month. It's a
 calif, truck but i just brought it two michigan, at the begining of oct.
 and that's when I've noticed the proble starting.  Any and all help would
 be appreciated.
 Matthew Wright
 Torrance Calif.
 wrig4840@kettering.edu
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 Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 09:52:35 -0500 (CDT)
 From: Brian Wiencek  Subject: Re: Jacob's OmniPak> 	Almost all we hear is bad stuff about Jacobs.  Is there anything> else out there that is good?
 Well - define good - if you mean reliable - the OEM stuff from FORD and
 Mopar can easily be adapted to a lot of non electronic ignition equipped
 engnines (they have external modules with an easy to wire triggering
 system)
 As for aftermarket - I'd have to say 1st- MSD - 6AL/off-road (vibration
 resistant)  then a tie for 2nd is Crane's stuff and accell's new 300
 series - the good thing about accell 300+ is that it has a revlimiter
 built in and is easy on the pocketbook.
 - - Brian
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 Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 10:59:28 -0400
 From: John Smith  Subject: Re: cold-start problems?
 Matthew,
 Chances are it IS a bad battery. Mine did the exact same thing and I
 replaced the starter only to find I had to buy a new battery because it still
 wouldn't start. How old is the battery? Have you tested the Volts? A test I
 have found that has worked for me is to turn on the headlights and then start
 the truck. If they dim really bad the battery is probably near the end of it's
 life. You said you just took the truck to MI. I bet you are experiencing this
 on the cold mornings?
 John Smith
 87 Std Cab 4x4 PU - 22R,120,000 Miles,31" BFG MT on AR767 15x8, Dynomax
 Catback,
 Rancho RS5000s,3" Rear Lift Springs,Torsion Bars Cranked, Rusted Tailgate, Plus
 More...
 Smithjn@us.ibm.com  http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Canyon/4313/
 Hey, I've got a '93 PU 4x4 (stock) with a 22RE, 70,000, and it
 runs great, but when I try to start it once in a while it will only make a
 clicking sound for the first 2 or 3 key turns, then finally it will have a
 weak start.  It sounds like the battery power is low.  But I'm pretty sure
 it's not because the radio works and the lights come on.  Is there a known
 problem with a solenoide sitcking on the ignition, or something?  I'm new
 to Toyota's, this is my first and I've had it for about a month. It's a
 calif, truck but i just brought it two michigan, at the begining of oct.
 and that's when I've noticed the proble starting.  Any and all help would
 be appreciated.
 Matthew Wright
 Torrance Calif.
 wrig4840@kettering.edu
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 Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 11:12:00 EDT
 From: DRM033@aol.com
 Subject: IFS skid plates
 Nice work on the skid plate, Chris.  s there a reason you did not make a hole
 for the diff drain plug?  I used the trusty old band saw & cut a slit in mine.
 I thought at first that the hole would catch on rocks, but the way the diff
 sits in the hole, there is no way a rock can get up in there.
 I made my plate 15x17".  Since my plate is butt welded to the rear of the
 front skid plate, I actually have 3" of plate sticking out behind the rear
 cross member.  I did this on purpose, and used an adjustable wrench to bend
 the whole plate up about 1.5" at an angle.  Now, if I have to go in reverse, I
 don't have a flat wall to try to push through, I have an angled plate to give
 it a place to "ramp" up & over.
 As soon as I get a battery in my camera, I will have to get pictures of the
 skid plate, the new rear springs, the custom modified bench seat, the rock
 sliders, and a few of the other projects I have done lately.
 David
 DRM033@aol.com
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 Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 11:49:29 -0400
 From: Thomas Bank  Subject: Re: Rancho Shock Deal
 I too bought four Rancho shocks with the promise of the "Come-back
 Coupon" deal.  Have not seen any coupon out of it though.  Perhaps it
 was a "Come-on" deal, not a "Come-back" deal?
 Thomas Bank - 85 Shortbed Pickup
 trbankii@microserve.net
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 Argue for your limitations, and sure enough, they're yours.
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 Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 09:25:28 -0700
 From: Chirs Geiger  Subject: Re: IFS skid plates
 At 11:12 AM 10/20/98 EDT, you wrote:>Nice work on the skid plate, Chris.  Is there a reason you did not make a
 hole>for the diff drain plug?
 Yes, If a rock is rolling under the truck I don't want it to be able to hit
 the diff bolt and cause all the fluid to come out. I have seen this too
 many times. My skid plate mounting holes are 1/2" and the bolts are 7/16"
 so they fit a little sloppy. This will make it easy to remove and install
 the skid plate for servicing the front diff.> I actually have 3" of plate sticking out behind the rear>cross member.
 I thought about doing that too but with out support it will bend up the
 first time it gets hit. I also thought of running the plate all the way
 back to behind the tcase cross member. I fugure a plate 17" wide and 4'
 long would cover most of the important stuff under the truck. The only
 reasion I did not do this is I plan to swap to a solid axle in the future
 and won't have a place to mount the plate in front.>I did this on purpose, and used an adjustable wrench to bend>the whole plate up about 1.5" at an angle.
 If you can do thay with a wrench, just think what a large rock is going to
 do to it.>As soon as I get a battery in my camera, I will have to get pictures of the>skid plate, the new rear springs, the custom modified bench seat, the rock>sliders, and a few of the other projects I have done lately.
 I am thinking that a digital camera should be the first off road accessory
 everyone should purchase so that everyone else can see there mods and trip
 reports.
 Chris Geiger 93 4Runner http://www.off-road.com/~geiger
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