Toyota 4x4 digest:    Thursday, September 10 1998    Volume 02 : Number 074
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 350 chevy in toyota
 Re: Fw: EGR valve function
 RE: Stolen 4Runner in Reno
 High Idle at sea level
 clutch hose, beware of dealers
 Re:Stolen 4Runner in Reno
 Re: water crossings??
 Air Bags
 Re: O2 sensor errors
 Downey Adjustable Lift Kit
 RE: Toyota 4x4 digest: V2 #73
 RE: 4Runner Speaker Options
 lowering front diff...
 4Runner speaker options
 V6 Air boxes/prep for snorkle
 Valve adjustment & noise
 theft protection
 Re: theft protection
 Re: Jacking up the 2nd Generation 4Runner
 Re: 350 chevy in toyota
 Re: 4Runner Speaker Options
 Timing Chain Question
 Re: water crossings??
 Re: 350 chevy in toyota
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 Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 21:19:54 -0700
 From: Tyghe Tordoff  Subject: RE: Door speakers.
 It depends on the year of your truck. In my 93 , the window and mechanism caused some clearence problems. What I ended up doing was make a set of spacers approx 1 3/4in thick. I mounted the spacers onto a 1 1/2 in board. Then mounted all that to the door panel with screws.
 This way I didn`t have to cut the door panels. As far as the screw holes , they can be hidden quite easily. BTW my door speakers are Phoenix Gold 6 1/2 in components.
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 Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 22:15:22 -0400
 From: adickenson@kpmg.com
 Subject: Re: Which is better?  Bilstein vs. Rancho>I've been contemplating new shocks for my 1993 Toyota X-Tra Cab and>have narrowed my choice down to either Bilstein or Rancho RS-5000's.>I'm running Michelin 31 X 10.50 R15's so I'm already beginning to>experience the girlfriend factor on elevation.  I would like to>maintain the "stock" height of the truck as much as possible.  I'd>also like to maximize handling both on and off-road; I do a LOT of>city driving so aggresive cornering is a must.  I don't really care>how rough they ride though.
 Shocks will not affect the height of your truck at all.  I run
 RS-5000's in the rear and RS-9000's up front (currently set on 3, so
 it's the same as the RS-5000's).  The ride is stiffer than stock, but
 not bad at all.  I've never used Bilsteins, so I can't speak on them,
 but I'm more than happy with my Ranchos.
 Allen Dickenson
 1995 4Runner - "FT KNOX"
 1972 FJ-40 - deceased
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 Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 22:11:51 -0700
 From: "Burton"  Subject: 350 chevy in toyota
 Shoul i put the 350 in or rebuild the 22r
 Any help from somebody who has done the swap will be useful
 you can send directly to me at burton@sisna.com
 thanks
 K.C. Burton
 Mesquite, Nevada
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 Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 23:17:09 -0600
 From: "David Eggleston"  Subject: Re: Fw: EGR valve function
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 From: Jim Brink  To: toy4x4@tlca.org  Date: Wednesday, 09 September, 1998 20:28 PM
 Subject: Re: Fw: EGR valve function>Karl Bellve, Ph.D. wrote:>>> BTW, EGR valve should be fully closed at idle. If they are testing your>> truck at idle, then it doesn't matter what you stick on for an EGR>> valve. If they are testing your truck at a higher RPM, then you might>> need a working EGR valve.>>Only if they test for NOx.> Which, I believe they do. I will know for sure next week when the Camry goes
 in for its test.>>>>> BTW, my opinion of the emissions testing guys in the Denver area is
 that>>> they are complete morons. By law, my '84 truck is supposed to be tested
 as>>> an '84, not a '64 which is the year of the engine. The state emission
 tech>>> centers have verified this to me both times that I've taken my truck in
 for>>> testing, yet the test centers keep testing me as a '64. With all the>>> emissions related components in place, the truck has blown away the>>> standards passing easily :) Just my 2 cents worth.>>Yes, something sounds wrong. Is there a "referee" or DEQ office you can>talk to about this? An agency that oversees the emission testing>facilities?>--> Yes, the referees at the Emissions Tech Center (run by the state) say that
 since my motor was swapped prior to the 1990 law requiring a newer engine
 than the chassis, the swap is permissible under a grandfather clause but it
 has to have all the emissions equipment originally installed on the original
 84 truck. Thus, a catalytic converter, air injection system, and EGR have
 been grafted onto the 283 which had none of this stuff. And, as an '84
 chassis, it is supposed to be tested on the dyno as per the IM-240 testing
 procedures. Tell this to the guys at the testing centers (run by private
 contractor), and they think I'm nuts. This last time they never even opened
 the hood to check. Apparently, they entered the VIN into their computer and
 all the vehicle information came up from the last test two years ago. Then
 four different people were involved in the testing and not one of them
 questioned the 1964 vintage that came up on the computer. They simply took
 it as the gospel and did the basic tailpipe probe test. The test results
 were as follows:
 CO %                HC  ppm
 1964 std    5.50%                1000 ppm
 1984 std    1.50%                   400 ppm
 as tested    0.01%                     64 ppm
 I don't think that I'll have any difficulties with the CO and HC on the dyno
 test, it's just that NOx (if tested) that bothers me.>Jim Brink     Toyota/ASE Certified Technician     toytech@off-road.com>Manhattan Beach, CA                  http://www.off-road.com/~toytech/>**********************************************************************> 1986 Toyota Standard Bed 4WD> 22R - 32x11.50/15 BFG M/T - 4.88s- Downey LSD - EZ Locker>**********************************************************************>             TLCA  -  Friends of the Mojave Road  -  CA4WDC>>===========================================================================
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 Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 22:25:12 -0700
 From: "Kenneth Sigel"  Subject: RE: Stolen 4Runner in Reno
 I'll keep my eyes peeled...  keep your fingers crossed and send me any
 pictures you might have.  I'll pass copies around to friends.
 Ken
 PS - I live in Reno and love my truck too.
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 I am posting here for the first time but it is probably the most important
 time.
 I have had my 86 4Runner stolen.  It was stolen from me at a motel in Reno,
 Nevada on August 31st.
 I am in need of any help in finding this beautiful machine that anyone can
 offer.  Keep eyes out tell friends etc...
 It is Black, black top w/ grey interior.  It has black tubular bumpers,
 front
 and back... the back one is new, with a hitch socket.  The front is old and
 banged up.  There is a rusted gash in the hood on the passenger side.  There
 is also a dented in right rear panel and broken tail light.  There are also
 a
 few other dings around the body of the car.  There are no back seats in it
 (I
 still have them).  The stereo looks original, Toyota.
 The Licence plate was California BYMRKUS
 Name: Markus Baue
 City & State: Fairfax, CA
 Country: USA
 E-mail address: M	arkus@bymarkus.com
 Toyota (s) year & model: 1986 Four Runner
 Are you a TLCA Member (Y/N/Number?): N
 Age: 40
 Occupation: Massage Therapist/ photographer
 Marital Status: Single
 Hobbies: Women, camping, mountain biking, sports.
 How did you find out about the Toyota 4x4 Mailing List: I did a Search
 General info about your vehicle, self, etc.: I love my truck.
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 Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 22:39:50 -0700
 From: "Kenneth Sigel"  Subject: High Idle at sea level
 Whenever I drive from Reno (4500 ft) to Napa (Sea Level), my engine idles
 high ~1200rpm.  When I get back to Reno, it usually goes back to normal.  My
 engine has 20k miles on it, Downey header, 2.5" exhaust and EFI.
 Any ideas?  Could the O2 sensor have something to do with it?
 Ken
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 Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 22:44:54 -0700
 From: "Christopher Fendrick"  Subject: clutch hose, beware of dealers
 A few weeks ago I was posting some messages about a clutch hose leak problem
 that was finally solved by a new clutch job by Toyota and a new clutch hose
 by my mechanic.  A few people wanted to know the dealer service name.  I was
 reluctant due to being fair to people because you never know who is at fault
 when work is done.  All I ask people is to be honest and up front and dot
 screw with people.  We have enough to worry about in life!
 After reading many postings on problems with dealers giving people the run
 around the best advice is 1)CYA  2)  Know more info about your vehicle than
 than the writer does 3)Call every customer support service person in America
 including State commissions and 4)  Save every receipt!!
 After the warranty period do all of your own work or have a great mechanic
 work on your vehicle or trade it in for a brand new one.  I love Toyota's
 but never buy or go through Bill Wright Toyota in Bakersfield, CA.  Thanks
 to all the guys who helped on this problem because I learned alot.
 By the way I just discovered that the upper case of 4x4 is $x$.  It's a
 great hobby but lots of cash!
 CFendrick
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 Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 00:22:25 -0600
 From: "John Lange"  Subject: Re:Stolen 4Runner in Reno
 Marcus, sorry to hear about your loss.  I am a Police Officer in Utah and
 will make sure your 4Runner get's ATL'd (attempt to locate) to most of our
 agency's around.    Any suspect description or info?  I know  you probably
 did, but make sure the agency that you reported it to has placed your car
 on NCIC.  (National "hot list" on stolen prop. or wanted people.) I will
 check my NCIC every now and then to see if your car has been recovered and
 removed from NCIC.  Good luck....
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 Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 06:54:47 EDT
 From: "Charles  Brooks"  Subject: Re: water crossings??>>So  If you crazy boys cross these rivers/lakes  and put snorkels on so the intake is ok....  What about the exhaust?
 Also what about the interior of the cab?  do the doors leak?
< Subject: Air Bags
 I'm in the market for a 2nd Gen. 4-Runner.
 Can someone tell me what year they installed driver side air-bag and
 when they added the Passenger side?
 Rob Nunes
 Massachusetts
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 Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 08:04:50 -0500 (CDT)
 From: Brian Wiencek  Subject: Re: O2 sensor errors
<>> test the dealer performed on the O2 sensor and what the heck they> actually did to "clean out the smog stuff." I've never heard of this> service before...
<> They probably were 'sparing' the details to the "dumb customer" and
 possibly they cleaned the carbon buildup out of the EGR system thinking
 the valve was sticking open??
 - - Brian
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 Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 08:09:15 -0500
 From: Alan  Subject: Downey Adjustable Lift Kit
 Can anyone tell me where I might find a website that describes the Downey
 adjustable lift kit and gives info about it????
 Thanks in advance,
 Alan
 1998 Prerunner
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 Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 06:40:44 -0700
 From: "Lavender, Bryan"  Subject: RE: Toyota 4x4 digest: V2 #73
 Leo
 I had a OEM roof rack added after I bought my 90 2-door. I recently bought a
 Yakima system that mounts to the OEM roof rack rails. The four "towers" bolt
 to the carriers in the rails, and are adjustable along the rails. They also
 LOCK, which is nice. The cross-bars slide into the towers, and then you've
 got the entire range of options to mount on the rails.
 Since you already have a Thule set-up, you might check with Thule to see if
 they have a similar set-up for mounting to an OEM roof rack rail. Then, all
 you would need to buy is the towers and perhaps a lock set.
 Be forewarned that Toyota lists a maximum OEM roof rack weight limit of 100
 pounds, which includes the basket and rails.
 Bryan
 Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 19:30:52 -7 GMT
 From: "Leo G. Divinagracia III"  Subject: aftermarket roof racks...
 have you installed a roof rack style that looks like the OEM ones?
 you know, the ones that screw into the roof?  i have a set of thule
 that sucks when i close the door on the clamping mechanism.  plus, i
 like the way the OEM style ones run towards the rear (better
 aerodynamics).
 reason i'm asking is that i wanna put like a basket style racks so
 it can hold stuff like a spare tire.  but these con-ferr like
 thingees only would mount to OEM ones.  don't know about the
 aftermarket ones, how the rails are and stuff...
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 Leo G. Divinagracia III
 ldivinag@csuhayward.edu
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 Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 15:51:48 +0200
 From: Johan Snyman  Subject: RE: 4Runner Speaker Options> a Cadillac.....yeah right!!!!  Dynamat....LOTS and LOTS and LOTS of> Dynamat....it's expensive but GREAT stuff.  You can really> quieten down the> interior of your truck by lining the floor, doors, inside> panels, roof, and> pretty much every other surface in your truck.  Kick panel
 What is Dynamat?
 Rubber?
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 Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 11:21:46 -0400
 From: Ed.Wong@astramerck.com
 Subject: lowering front diff...
 I vaguely recall seeing a "custom" type front cross member for a Rancho
 Lift
 when the IFS lift first came out. Basically, instead of the "sraight"
 lowering
 bracket that Rancho provides, it had a custom bracket that bolted to the
 OEM
 cross meber points. There was a "bend" in the bar so that the drivers side
 was
 "flush" with the frame mounts, but the passenger side hung down by 1-2"
 so that the diff was "lowered".
 Another much more $$ route would be to cast a new diff cover with the
 mounting
 ear higher up...
 Then theres the Donahue racing version with the front diff centered and a
 subframe
 that also accepted the lower A arms (now mucho longer)... dont ask about
 $$$..
 EWong
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 Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 11:35:11 -0400
 From: Ed.Wong@astramerck.com
 Subject: 4Runner speaker options
 shaun spoke of putting 6x9s on the gen1 4Runner roll bar.
 Thats what I have - sort of. I have a pair of Bose 101 speakers
 mounted there facing forward. Definately keeps the soundstage
 up high :)
 It would be nice to get the "pro" style Bose where the mounting
 bracket mounts on the side of the speaker instead of on
 the bottom, but I havent seen consumer Bose 101's with that
 mounting option in years (still see em in lots of stores,
 airports, public spaces, etc. so I know they still make em)
 I ended up putting in a set of Boston Pro4.4s with the 4" mid
 in the dash location and the tweets in the top of the dash
 firing up at the glass. Good sound, but I have to pad down
 the tweets as the sound is a bit bright. The cross overs
 are located under the panel where the rear seats are
 supposed to be (I have the utility version) and its hard
 to get to (and therfore hard to steal as well).
 EWong
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 Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 08:54:14 -0700
 From: Ken Emanuel  Subject: V6 Air boxes/prep for snorkle
 Has anyone "figured out" the V6 air boxes yet?  The most puzzling part to
 me is the half-triangular shaped piece of plastic between the intake
 manifold and the airbox.  (For noise reduction?)  There is one hose that
 goes from the mass air flow sensor towards the intake manifold, while there
 are two hoses that go into a completely funky shaped square box located
 right next to the airbox, then meets up with the main hose that goes to the
 air intake.  What is all of this crap?  I see it as restrictive.  I'd like
 to install the "AJ Snorkle" and meanwhile replace all of these funky parts
 with 3" intake hose and see what happens to the throttle response.
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 Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 08:56:32 -0700
 From: Peter Hanisch  Subject: Valve adjustment & noise
 I have a 22RE with 120,000 miles on it. It used to make a "tick" sound that
 I could hear all the time (at idle, cruising, accelerating, etc). I got a
 valve adjustment yesterday, and the noise went away, but it now has a new
 noise. Only under acceleration, it makes a similar noise, but much quieter
 and faster.. it's more like a rattle.
 Any ideas what this could be?
 Thanks,
 Peter
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 Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 08:57:36 -0700 (PDT)
 From: Luke P Miller  Subject: theft protection
 A few months ago someone here mentioned that they'd like to get some sort
 of alarm that would shock any unwanted intruders. Well, that product is
 here, outlined in the automotive section of the LA times this morning.
 It's a device like the "Club" that attaches to the steering wheel, and if
 someone tampers with it, it first sounds an alarm and then powers itself
 up to give a shock to anyone that touches it. It's supposed to be a very
 low amperage (non-lethal) shocks, about .0002 amps, but running at 50,000
 volts. Supposed to feeling like a static electricity shock, but more
 concentrated and continuous. Like shocking yourself on the doorknob, but
 15 times per second. I guess it has a remote shut off to allow the owner
 to get in the car without killing themselves. Cost was put at 200 dollars.
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 Luke Miller
 umilll02@umail.ucsb.edu   Santa Barbara, CA
 85 4Runner SR5 22RE 3" front Alcan lift, 3" rear mazda spring conversion,
 25.4 mm body lift,  RS9000's, rear lock-right, 32" Michelins, #276, other
 ugly
 garbage
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 Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 09:11:51 -0700
 From: Steve Keene  Subject: Re: theft protection
 Luke P Miller wrote:> A few months ago someone here mentioned that they'd like to get some sort> of alarm that would shock any unwanted intruders. Well, that product is> here, outlined in the automotive section of the LA times this morning.> It's a device like the "Club" that attaches to the steering wheel, and if> someone tampers with it, it first sounds an alarm and then powers itself> up to give a shock to anyone that touches it.
 What if the thief wears gloves?  Uh Oh?  Theres goes $200. down the drain.
 There is also a Smoke gegerator available that fills the car with thick smoke if
 somone tries to steal it making it impossible to drive.  Not to mention attract
 the attention of the fire department and the police.
 And draw crowds of people to see whats burning up.
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 Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 09:24:15 -0700
 From: "Roger Brown, P.E."  Subject: Re: Jacking up the 2nd Generation 4Runner
 Ryan wrote:> I just bought a Hi-Lift jack and I'm wondering if I can jack up my 1990> 2nd Generation 4Runner  using the stock chrome front and rear bumpers.> Has anybody done this before without bending the bumpers?  If so please> let me know.  If not what points can I use for jacking points on my> 4Runner?  Comments and suggestions welcome.
 There is an accessory for the HiLift to allow jacking on your kind of
 "bumpers".  It is like a chain with a hook that reaches under the bumper to
 something solid.  You slip the HiLift jaw through it to lift with.  Check it
 out at:
 http://www.hi-lift.com/accesso.htm
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 Roger Brown		http://reality.sgi.com/rogerb/4Runner.html
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 Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:35:23 -0600 (MDT)
 From: Scott Ellinger  Subject: Re: 350 chevy in toyota> Shoul i put the 350 in or rebuild the 22r> Any help from somebody who has done the swap will be useful> you can send directly to me at burton@sisna.com
 If in your eyes, the 22R is still a viable engine for the truck,
 don't do the 350.
 FWIW, I think my 5.0 (Ford) engine swap ran me about $4k in parts
 only, plus later replacement of front and rear axles, etc., plus
 a sum total of months of vehicle down time (counting the engine
 swap, the axle swapping, and all the other stuff) and a year or
 so of prepping to do the engine swap.
 - --scott
 Scott Ellinger   ellinger@holly.colostate.edu   Larimer County 4WD Club
 Visit my Home Page: http://holly.colostate.edu/~ellinger
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 Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 09:39:56 -0700
 From: "Roger Brown, P.E."  Subject: Re: 4Runner Speaker Options
 Shaun wrote:> I've recently read many postings about placing speakers in the doors> of Trucks and 4Runners.  Wouldn't a set of 6x9's in their own sealed> wedge boxes mounted to the top horizontal of the rear roll bar in the> 4Runner provide for better imaging and less phasing out?  It seems> like it would be a simpler way of getting good stereo sound and much> more accurate spatial imaging.  You could position the 6x9's as wide> apart as possible on the roll bar and have them facing foward.  This> way, there would be absolutely zero vibration from door paneling,> window mechanisms, or window seals, AND, the sound waves would not be> bouncing off of people's legs or heads or whatever as they would be> when speakers are mounted in the doors.  Plus the 6x9 can deliver> much more sound than a 5 1/4 or 6 inch speaker.  Is this sonic> overkill on my part or am I making sense???
 I assume you are talking 1st gen. 4Runner (i.e. factory roll bar).  If so,
 also consider that you may take the top off some day.  Up on the roll bar, the
 speakers will get direct wind while driving and if it happens to rain...
 If you put them there, make sure they are up to the elements.
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 Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 09:59:30 -0700
 From: Barney McNamara  Subject: Timing Chain Question
 Jonathan wrote:>Am I crazy for thinking about paying Toyota $900 labor to replace my timing>chain?
 That's what it cost me at an independent, including towing, and paying
 somebody else to diagnose it :-(  Fixing it before it breaks is always
 a good idea, but I never take my vehicles to a dealer except for
 warranty work. I have a mechanic I trust, and let him fix stuff I
 don't have time or skills to do myself.>It's starting to make some noise when I first start the truck and I'm just>paranoid that the stupid thing is going to break in the middle of nowhere at>three in the morning, ontop of some mountain or in a big mud-hole.  Just my>luck!!!>>What are the warning signs or does it just go plink.
 Noise at start-up is a good warning. Mine just went plink, though it was
 actually more like a clunk - whirr, as the engine continued to spin without
 firing.
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 ( barney@flowpoint.com )     stock 22R motor ; 3" body lift
 Santa Cruz, Ca.              8" alloy rims; 31" BFG A/Ts
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 Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 11:00:19 -0600 (MDT)
 From: Scott Ellinger  Subject: Re: water crossings??> So  If you crazy boys cross these rivers/lakes  and put snorkels on so the> intake is ok....  What about the exhaust?  Also what about the interior of> the cab?  do the doors leak?> In my experience, the exhaust is content to blow bubbles.
 And my doors don't leak, but all those drain plugs and other body plugs in
 the cab do.  Starts about three or three and a half feet deep.  But when
 you've got an icky interior anyway, what's the problem with getting it wet
 or muddy?  (I have yet to determine all the contents of the carpet in my
 truck; the passenger side under the foot area is as stiff as a board :) )
 - --scott
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 Date: Thu, 10 Sep 98 12:05:44 -0600
 From: bwiencek@kcnet.com
 Subject: Re: 350 chevy in toyota
 On Wed, 9 Sep 1998, "Burton"  wrote:>Shoul i put the 350 in or rebuild the 22r>Any help from somebody who has done the swap will be useful>you can send directly to me at burton@sisna.com
 Depends on your requirements/needs and cash constraints (a well-executed 350
 swap is not cheap IMHO...
 Check out my page at http://www.off-road.com/~bwiencek  for a view on how *I*
 did it (not that I'm right, just one way of doing things)  And if you have
 specific questions, ask away!
 - - Brian
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 Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:23:09 -0400
 From: "Ron Stead"  Subject: [none]
 Has anyone on the list installed a performance cam on there 4-runner??  I
 have a 1988, 5 speed, 22re, 4-runner and am looking at a "Wolverine Blue
 Racer Cam".  Fair idle with lope 2000 to 4800 rpm range.  Will this help
 low end power (acceleration) and highway cruising.  5th gear is usless
 right now.????  Any thoughts out there??
 Thanks,
 Ron
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 Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:29:19 -0700
 From: Barney McNamara  Subject: Re: NWOR Questions>NWOR promptly does nothing.  He calls them for days & they will not>return his calls.>Others, please share your horror stories too...
 There are lots of NWOR stories on my website:
 http://www.scruz.net/~barneym/toy_root/gen_info/mailordr.htm
 My latest experience with them was good. I got my motor mounts in 48
 hours, and they fit fine. But there have been a lot of problems
 reported. I only buy from them if they have something nobody else
 does, and I -really- need it.
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 ( barney@flowpoint.com )     stock 22R motor ; 3" body lift
 Santa Cruz, Ca.              8" alloy rims; 31" BFG A/Ts
 homepage: http://www.scruz.net/~barneym/barnhome.htm
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 Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 11:34:39 -0600 (MDT)
 From: Scott Ellinger  Subject: Re: Dakota Challenge> Come on guys, (Scott Ellinger, Wil Girinda-hope I have the names spelled> correctly), how was the trip???> I think Wil's still in Deadwood trying to win gas money home.... :)
 As for me, I came, I saw, I got spanked.  But I had a great time.
 Trip report anyone?  Here goes...
 The misadventures of the HMS Disaster start on Tuesday of last week, but
 Tuesday itself wasn't too bad.
 Tuesday I ran all over town hunting for a trailer on which I could tow the
 Toy to Dakota.  Finally found one to use about 4pm.
 Wednesday, I picked up the trailer, a trailer brake control, and a few
 other things.
 My copilot, Andy, a certified electrician, came over to help wire the
 trailer hookup and lights.
 First, we hooked up everything according to directions.  So far, so good,
 with the engine running, left signal blinks the left side, right blinks
 the right side, brake lights work, we're good.
 Then we try it with the headlights on.
 Left signal blinks the left side of the truck, and the whole trailer.
 Right signal does the right side of the truck, and the whole trailer.
 Brake lights work on the truck, but turn off all the lights on the trailer.
 And the trailer brakes don't work.  But the manual override on the trailer
 brake control will activate the trailer brakes, as long as the running
 lights are turned off.  If the running lights are on, only the truck brakes
 work.
 So we tied the Toy down onto the trailer, got some rest, and left at 4am
 Thursday.  For those watching at home, we're certifiably insane; don't let
 your kids try this.  Even with parental supervision.
 For the first half of the trip, everything is groovy.  No trailer brakes,
 but the truck (3/4T Chevy longbed 4x4 extra ugly tow rig) can stop the whole
 11,000 pound-plus parade.  And move it, too.  You just have to plan three
 states ahead.
 About ten miles out of Mule Creek Junction, Wyoming, there's a short series
 of pops, a loud bang, and the engine starts making an ugly whirring noise.
 So I pull over, to discover that I just ran over the muffler, and the last
 six feet of tailpipe.  With a Corporate 14-bolt, two trailer axles, and a
 drop tail.  It's nowhere to be found, but since it took a mile and a half
 to stop, it might still be in Colorado.  :)
 No biggie, back on the road, heading to Dakota.  On the way into Rapid City,
 the trailer brakes start working.  Not predictably, and the control is way
 out of adjustment (and way aggressive) and so the trailer decides when it
 wants to stop, and the truck is just along for the ride.  We get gas, food,
 a new muffler, and adjust the trailer brakes.  Now we're driving through
 Rapid City, SD, with a tow rig that sounds like a race car, a 4x4 that is
 a race truck (yeah, it's been raced, once) and no muffler on either one,
 but a brand-new muffler in the bed.  And the thing can't get out of its
 own way to save its life.  But everyone else sure gets out of its way.  :)
 Oh, and the vacuum modulator on the Chevy doesn't seem to work, so I have to
 manually downshift it.  Didn't figure that one out till we got to the Black
 Hills, and had to actually climb stuff with a 20+ year-old 350 and a whole
 lot of weight.
 Arrive in camp, making all kinds of racket, unload, kick back, get teched,
 etc.  Nothing too exciting going on yet.
 Friday morning, I sign up for the new Nasty trail, Twisted.  Big mistake.
 It's a 5+, I'm only allowed up to a 5, but they say I can go because
 there's no width restriction on Twisted.  So I go.
 About a hundred yards in, Pat Gremillion drives into (and gets stuck on)
 a log.  A rather large log.  Bends the heck out of his tie rod, and Glenn
 Wakefield blows out the O-ring on his ARB compressor pulling Pat off the
 log.  Both trucks are fixed quickly, and I'm next in line (and last, for
 that matter, except for the tail gunner) which is a good thing.
 We head up to the trailhead.  Maybe an eighth of a mile in, there's a rock
 in the middle of the trail, and everyone else has driven on over it, so
 I do the same.  Climbing, crawling around, rear end coming up the rock,
 and POP!  BANG!  and I'm not moving anymore.  Oops.
 The POP! was my passenger side inner tie rod end folding over and breaking
 off.  The BANG! was when the right front wheel, no longer steered, but
 still powered, drove around the front of the truck, into the frame, taking
 the outer CV joint to about 60 degrees, and breaking it off of the stub.
 And I didn't bring spares of either.  Stupid me.
 So Pat gets out Glenn's Premier Power Welder (his was two trucks ahead,
 and Glenn was right in front of me) and welds my tie rod end back together.
 Pat's trailside arc welding can out-pretty my home-shop MIG welding my
 several orders of magnitude, but even Pat can't weld a cast-crud tie rod
 end back together enough to hold.  It breaks right back off, and the crew
 decides to leave me there, with Brad, the tail gunner, to continue.
 We hang out for a while, eventually come back and band-aid the thing back
 together with a chunk of Hi-Lift handle, a wrench, some cable, and some
 hose clamps.  That gets it out of the trail where it was, and just far
 enough to get out of the way, before it folds up again.
 Back to camp, I call a parts store in Rapid City, charge two more tie rod
 ends to the card, and go get them, 45 minutes after closing time, out of
 the parts store mailbox.  Good service, eh?
 Back to the Toy, I fix it up, and drive it back to camp.  A whopping 15
 minutes after the eight vehicles to survive the trail (out of ten; one
 other guy came out with me after slicing three tires in ten feet of
 trail) got back.
 Saturday, I hit parts stores all over Rapid City trying to find a new
 outer CV.  Finally found a wrecking yard that had some, so I bought two,
 and went back to camp again to fix them.  Spent so much time wrenching
 that the Black Hills 4-Wheelers decreed me the Human Grease Rag, and some
 of them didn't know my real name.  They just called me Grease Rag.  :)
 But Sunday, I was 'wheeling again, and decided to go for something a bit
 less brutal, and went on a run called Full Size.  But the Toy wasn't much
 interested in cooperating; by the end of the run, my engine wouldn't run
 below 800 rpm, was surging badly over rocks, my starter was toast, and
 my brand-new custom-made rock-and-desert IFS suspension was sagged.  Bad.
 Eight inches of ground clearance on 35's bad.  But I had a great time.
 Got back to camp about two or three pm Sunday, put the new muffler on the
 Chevy, and loaded back up onto the trailer, for the drive home.  Mostly
 uneventful, but about three miles from Cheyenne, I saw one of the other
 Mountaineers by the side of the highway, stealing gas out of his Jeep, to
 get his tow rig to town.  So I made fun of him for a bit, especially since
 he had two (empty) jerry-cans on the trailer, and had to get the gas out
 of the Jeep itself.
 Half a mile farther, I ran out of gas.  No biggie, jerry-can it, I've got
 plenty of extra gas (and I always do, for just this reason) and head on
 home.
 Oh, yeah... halfway into Wyoming, the transmission on the Chevy starts to
 do its own thing on the downshifting, and I don't have to shift it any
 more.  This is on the way back, though.  And by then, the trailer is
 working properly, even with the lights on.  I can't believe it.
 Anybody remember my Rubicon misadventure?  Sometimes, I think I have more
 interesting tales from the trip to the trail, than I do from the trail
 itself.  :)
 - --scott
 Scott Ellinger   ellinger@holly.colostate.edu   Larimer County 4WD Club
 Visit my Home Page: http://holly.colostate.edu/~ellinger
 '86 Toy pickup body, Ford 5.0, GMC NV4500, "slightly altered" RKSTMPR
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 Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 11:37:32 -0600 (MDT)
 From: Scott Ellinger  Subject: Re: Rethink on solid axle swap> Well, as soon as I find some desert here in Tn, I will be glad to let everyone> know about it!> Umm... I don't think I'll hold my breath for this one.
 Here in Colorado, within an hour's drive of home, I can hit rocks, mud, sand,
 plains, (high desert) deep water, and most other obstacles, too.
 - --scott
 Scott Ellinger   ellinger@holly.colostate.edu   Larimer County 4WD Club
 Visit my Home Page: http://holly.colostate.edu/~ellinger
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 Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 11:05:09 -0700
 From: "jskaggs"  Subject: Re: Timing Chain Question
 I think it's crazy!!  If you already have the tools to do it, it is not that
 hard of a job to do.  It should cost under $200 in parts if you do it
 yourself thats a savings of $700 (and that could buy alot of tools).  There
 are alot of good tips on Barney's page.  With the tips on Barney's page you
 don't even need to buy a book!  I have a Chilton's and a Haynes and I really
 only used the pages I printed from Barney's page.  Go to
 http://www.scruz.net/~barneym/toy_root/techneek/tim_chan.htm I did it in the
 parking lot of my Apt. complex with the Tornado sirens going off while I was
 in Ohio.  You will learn alot and you will save alot of money.  Read over
 the stuff on the page and see if you think you can accomplish it, If you
 don't think you can then take it to the dealer.
 Where are you located?  Do you have any friends that could help?  If you are
 close to me I would help, I am in Central Ca.
 John Skaggs
 TLCA# 5560
 thunder90@msn.com
 Visalia, CA
 85 4Runner>OK....I know a LOT more about stereos than engines.>>Am I crazy for thinking about paying Toyota $900 labor to replace my timing>chain?>>Thanx,>>--Jay-B->>mailto:jbsmith@siscom.net
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 Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 11:44:05 -0700
 From: David Gibbs  Subject: Bongs
 Someone wrote,
 "Also will the Nissan bong referenced fit in the Tacoma Diff as well?"
 If you are trying to hide your bong the gas tank is a much better spot
 David  (who could not help but comment)
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 Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:45:52 -0400
 From: "Tom Pechkovsky"  Subject: Tuning problem v6, 3.0
 Ok this is going to sound like a dumb question but maybe someone will take pity on me.
 I have a 92V6 3.0  I just got some exhaust work done and have noticed a build up of carbon just inside  the tail pipe.   Now I would assume something is out of adjustment???   I just put in some new spark plugs and two new wires, air filter.  Now ...is the engine running to rich??  Is there a way I can adjust or check something or do I need to take it in.
 I am reluctant to take it in because I moved recently and haven't found a good shop. (Tried one.. not impressed) (tried 3 dealers equally unimpressed.)   I am trying to do some of the work on my vehicle however settings like this have always scared me a little.
 Any advise out there???
 Thanking you in advance.
 Tom Pechkovsky
 92 4runner
 pechkot@ycdsb.edu.on.ca
 In Digest mode (unfortunately)
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 Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:35:51 -0500
 From: Michael Nelson  Subject: Re: 350 chevy in toyota
 How much money do you have?
 :)
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 Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:11:49 -0700
 From: "Jay Kopycinski"  Subject: NWOR
 DRM033@aol.com wrote:
 snip another NWOR tale of woe.......>This is only the first part of the crap he had to deal with, but is this the>type of company you want to deal with?
 I would like to collect peoples stories and maybe come up with
 some web page info or something. If you like, please forward
 your NWOR experiences (be they good or bad to me) at my
 home address:
 jayk@netzone.com
 Jay Kopycinski    '85 Toylet  (ROKTOY)
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