Toyota 4x4 digest:      Wednesday, July 15 1998      Volume 02 : Number 006
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 4runner coil replace
 Re: Truck on rollers
 Breathers and felt/seal kit for solid axle questions.
 Re: 3.0L V6 Swap into A 1987 P-U???
 Another thing
 Re: Northern California run
 Re: 4runner coil replace
 Re: Breathers and felt/seal kit for solid axle questions.
 Re: 4runner coil replace
 Re[2]: 3.0L V6 Swap into A 1987 P-U???
 22R
 Bio
 injector cleaning?
 4Runner Jamboree
 Sulfur Smell / Bumpers
 Re: Sulfur Smell / Bumpers
 Wheel stops....
 Cheapie Reacro Seats
 Re: 3.0L V6 Swap into A 1987 P-U???
 Re: Bio
 Turning around on tight trails
 Re: Jay's Web Page Updated
 Gears & fabrication
 Re[2]: 3.0L V6 Swap into A 1987 P-U???
 RE: Rust - was - 3.0L V6 Swap into A 1987 P-U???
 Re: Bumpers
 Overheating
 Re: 22R
 Re: Gears & fabrication
 Rust even in California
 Re: Overheating
 Re: Bumpers
 Re: Bumpers
 Chrysler Joke
 84-88 Beds
 Re: Turning around on tight trails
 Re: Turning around on tight trails
 Re: Turning around on tight trails
 Re: Turning around on tight trails
 California Statewide Motorized Trail System - Info?
 Re: Gears & fabrication
 engine knock, piston slap(?)
 Re: Turning around on tight trails
 Re: Gears & fabrication
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 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:12:14 +1000
 From: "Chris Senungetuk"  Subject: 4runner coil replace
 Hey Folks,
 I now have my new 1 1/2" rear coil springs from Downey in
 hand, and plan to do the replacement this weekend or next.
 I'm familiar with what needs to be done, but does anyone
 have any pointers that only experience could teach you
 otherwise?
 Similar project for me next after that will be to install
 new shackles, also from Downey, on my extended cab along
 with Energy Suspension bushings on the rear springs. I've
 read some tips on sanding to prevent squeaks - is that sand
 the metal, the bushings, or both? What type of grease is
 best to lube these things?
 Thanks, and I will report on the results. Can hardly wait.
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 icq# 12146009
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 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 21:36:04 -0600
 From: Anita Panjwani  Subject: Re: Truck on rollers
 Tony wrote:
 "I run 33x15.50 and have no problems on the Utah rollers."
 Has any one tried the Bay City Rollers?
 Har har har.
 Dan Boucher
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 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 21:54:37 -0600
 From: Anita Panjwani  Subject: Breathers and felt/seal kit for solid axle questions.
 Question #1
 Is it possible to extend your breathers wrong and blow your front axle seals?  I run a fitting attached to a cut
 length piece of air hose with the K&N filter.  Is there a certain amount of pressure that is always needed either
 positive or negative.  If it is plugged would it blow a seal.(Any other seal blowers out there?)  I wouldn't think
 that a big air hose could get plugged.  I don't rule out just a bum seal though.  This leads to question 2
 Question #2
 When repacking front bearings and changing seals is it always necessary to buy the felt/seal kit thing that costs
 like 170 or so CDN?  Diff oil has seeped past the felt.  I am presuming that the felt is for preventing dirt and
 stuff from getting in.  The axle seal prevents diff fluid from reaching the felt.  If I replace the front axle seals
 then no oil should leak past the felt right?  Anyway is there anyway to get the kit if absolutely needed any
 cheaper.  Has anyone done a rebuild without that kit?  I don't feel the need for that much dough if I don't need to
 spend it.
 Thanks
 Dan Boucher    84 ExCab  6" lift  33" Mall Terrains blah blah blah
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 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 21:06:33 -0700
 From: Ken Emanuel  Subject: Re: 3.0L V6 Swap into A 1987 P-U???
 DGRM125@aol.com wrote:>> I own a 1987 4x4 P-U, x-tra cab, 22re, auto trani, non-SR5. I am curios to> know if it is easy to swap a V6 Toyota motor into my pickup? And if so, what> is involved?> Brian,
 I checked into doing a 3.0L V6 swap on my '87 Xtra Cab.  Although the
 drivetrain can stand up to the increase in power (from 116 HP to 150
 HP),
 I found the cost to be prohibitive.  I am selling my truck purchase a
 newer truck with the V6. (I hate to sell it because it's in immaculate
 condition.)  Unless you REALLY want it done, I'd look into just buying
 one with the V6 that has the 4 pinion rear end and tougher transmission,
 etc.
 For reliability (as well as refinement, etc.) I would definately stick
 with a Toyota engine if you're set on doing a swap.
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 Ken Emanuel                     Emanuel@csus.edu
 '87 Xtra Cab SR5    (22R-E)
 http://webpages.csus.edu/~sac75830/toystuff.htm
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 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 23:16:58 -0500
 From: Michael Woodruff  Subject: Another thing
 If my TPS/TBS sensor is bad, why am I not getting a code for it?  I know
 there is a specific code for it, I've seen it in the chiltons
 manual.................I just want my freakin' truck to pass inspection!!!!!
 There are better things to spend $$$ on, like a lift and tires,
 gears,etc........   THANKS
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 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 21:37:14 -0700
 From: "Sandy and Terry"  Subject: Re: Northern California run>I'm going to the 'Run-a-Muck' 4wd run near Truckee  this weekend .>If anyone on the list is going, look for my '84 4Runner (with the>top off) and toy4x4 sticker on the door post, and look me up.>Rick Murray
 I'll be there also.  Look for a black '89 Black XCab SR5 V6 w/shell and
 toy4x4 sticker high/rear on each front fender and in the rear window of
 shell.
 I'm also bringing a friend with a built up T100.  Haven't seen too many of
 these yet.  He is not on the list because he doesn't have a computer.
 Terry Johnson
 Locked F&R, Pro Comp II 4" lift, 33" BFG M/T, 5.29 gears, Warn XD9000i
 winch, new rear tube bumper, nerf bars (Smitty Junk), Warn Hubs, Quick Air
 II (still in the box)
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 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 21:34:30 -0700
 From: Chris Geiger  Subject: Re: 4runner coil replace> does anyone have any pointers that only experience could teach you> otherwise?
 The instructions say you may need a spring compressor, don't bother. Remove the
 shocks and detach the sway bar, then send the frame of the truck up as high as
 you can get it. The rear end will drop (take the rear wheels off to get even
 lower) and the springs will be easy to pull out with just one hand. It can also
 be done one side at a time. I hate when the springs fall out on the trail
 though, its real embarrassing, "aa... hold on guys I gota put my rear spring
 back in, it fell out in that twisty section back there" It's kinda like your
 teeth falling out of your mouth in a nice restaurant.
 Chris Geiger 93 4Runner http://geiger.ic.ucsb.edu/offroad.html
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 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 21:42:56 -0700 (PDT)
 From: TrailDogg@webtv.net (~Trail Dogg~)
 Subject: Re: Breathers and felt/seal kit for solid axle questions.
 just replace the axle seal, you can leave the felt alone.
 DARREN SINKEY
 TRAILDOGG@WEBTV.NET
 OROVILLE,CA./AZ IN 91-96
 1982 TOYOTA 4X4 LONGBED
 7"@33"
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 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 22:10:24 -0700 (PDT)
 From: Jimmy Tom  Subject: Re: 4runner coil replace
 On Tue, 14 Jul 1998, Chris Geiger wrote:> though, its real embarrassing, "aa... hold on guys I gota put my rear spring> back in, it fell out in that twisty section back there" It's kinda like your> teeth falling out of your mouth in a nice restaurant.> Chris Geiger 93 4Runner http://geiger.ic.ucsb.edu/offroad.html
 Man, I KNOW what you mean about them dentures not fitting right!  I was
 just making a set here at school and we kept relining those suckers until
 we practically.....
 Wait a sec here....this isn't the "Loose Denture List"? Whoops...
 ;)
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 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 02:32:49 -0400
 From: adickenson@kpmg.com
 Subject: Re[2]: 3.0L V6 Swap into A 1987 P-U???>you should be able to pick up a 3.4 for under $5000.00 or the 3.0 at>T.A.P. for around $1800.00>go with a domestic V6-8 much cheaper, easyer to buy parts for and did>i say cheaper? :-0 :-))>unless you already have the motor or can get it dirt cheap, i>would`nt use one.>DARREN SINKEY>TRAILDOGG@WEBTV.NET>OROVILLE,CA./AZ IN 91-96>1982 TOYOTA 4X4 LONGBED>7"@33"
 It may be cheaper, but down the road isn't it better to have a Toyota
 engine under the hood?  Part of the reason I bought a Toyota in the
 first place was b/c I wanted a truck that could realistically last me
 about 400,000+ miles.  A well kept-up Toyota engine will outlast most
 domestic engines.  It's getting easier to get parts for Toyotas.  Just
 like when we originally paid more for a Toyota, sometimes you get what
 you pay for.
 Allen Dickenson
 1995 4Runner - "FT KNOX"
 1972 FJ-40 - still workin' on a name
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 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 01:44:28 -0500 (CDT)
 From: schmidt2@gte.net
 Subject: 22R
 With all this talk about the 22R being so reliable, what is it about the
 engine that makes it that way? Is the 22RE more reliable than the 22R? I was
 just curious...... I have a 22R in my 85 pickup, and its great! Only problem
 is that it could use a bit more power. Oh well!
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 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 23:41:04 -0500
 From: "Frank Hamlett, M. D."  Subject: Bio
 Name: Brandon Hamlett
 City & State: Escondido, California
 Country: America
 E-mail address: fdlbk@pacbell.net
 Toyota (s) year & model: 1982 2WD pickup, 1985 4WD pickup, 1998 2WD
 4Runner
 Are you a TLCA Member (Y/N/Number?): No
 Age: 16
 Occupation: Student
 Marital Status: Single
 Hobbies: I race motorcycles, and love to go off-roading!
 How did you find out about the Toyota 4x4 Mailing List: Surfing the net
 General info about your vehicle, self, etc.: My 1985 is a work in
 progress and is just geting started. I race my 1997 honda 125 at the top
 of the novice class. My sponsors help out a lot and could not do it with
 out them. They are as follows: Pro-Prept racing services, Zing graphics,
 RP Racing, Escondido Cycle Center, and Smoothie King. I love to off-road
 and love the off-roading crowd and world.
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 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 23:59:45 -0700
 From: ad366@lafn.org (Dana Adams)
 Subject: injector cleaning?
 Hello folks, I've noticed recent posts that refer to a procedure to clean
 fuel injectors.  I've got an '85 22re, and I'm sure the injectors haven't
 been cleaned.  could someone please direct  me to this operation?
 Thanks
 Dana
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 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 01:16:00 -0700
 From: Scott Wilson  Subject: 4Runner Jamboree
 Steve Miller just called me, so I thought I'd update you on the latest.
 There are 48 4Runners signed up for this years Jamboree.  40% of those
 signed up through the forms availible through Off-Road.com   :-)
 Also...he says fire danger is extremely high, so the rangers will not
 let us have camp fires on Saturday night.  Good news! you can leave the
 firewood at home, and pack the spare tire instead!  :-b
 Scott
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 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:04:47 -0400
 From: Thomas Bank  Subject: Sulfur Smell / Bumpers
 All gasolines have a certain sulfur content.  With heavy load, you will
 be able to smell it to some degree in just about anything.  One thing to
 try is switching gasoline brands.  I found when I switched brands it
 dropped the "stink" quite a bit.
 On bumpers, has anyone had any experience with Reunel?  I have only seen
 the pictures, but they seem even more stout than the ARB/TJM types.  Of
 course, they are also a bit pricier as well.  Just wondering.
 Thomas Bank
 '85 shortbed pickup
 Lemoyne, Pennsylvania, USA
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 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 05:15:06 -0700
 From: Chris Geiger  Subject: Re: Sulfur Smell / Bumpers> On bumpers, has anyone had any experience with Reunel?  I have only seen> the pictures, but they seem even more stout than the ARB/TJM types.  Of> course, they are also a bit pricier as well.  Just wondering.
 Before buying my TJM bumper I looked at Reunel but found they charge much more
 for import truck bumpers than domestic trucks. ProZap also makes a stout bumper.
 Chris Geiger 93 4Runner http://geiger.ic.ucsb.edu/offroad.html
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 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 09:03:31 -0400
 From: Ed.Wong@astramerck.com
 Subject: Wheel stops....>> also, has anyone tried to weld a flat piece
 of steel on the stops for the
 steering?  I'm guessing that if you weld a
 flat piece over the original concave
 stops the bolts will slide up and down
 easier without grinding.  or is there a
 special reason that they are concave?
< bumper. I think Ed manages to get those deals.
 KDB> I won't mention his Recaro seat..Oops.
 JV> Ed please tell me how to a get a great deal
 JV> on Recaro seats....please :)
 JV> I'm all ears!!!
<< Subject: Re: 3.0L V6 Swap into A 1987 P-U???
 adickenson@kpmg.com wrote:>>>      It may be cheaper, but down the road isn't it better to have a Toyota>      engine under the hood?  Part of the reason I bought a Toyota in the>      first place was b/c I wanted a truck that could realistically last me>      about 400,000+ miles.  A well kept-up Toyota engine will outlast most
 Engine might last that long but it would be just the engine. I noticed
 that almost every truck at the VT ride had severe rust damage on the
 body and frames. Toyota bodies/frames may last in other parts of the
 country but they get destroyed in the northeast. Most american
 manufacturers use galvanized metals and you don't see that kind of
 damage on their vehicles less than 10 years old. I was shocked when I
 saw 1989 4Runners heavily rusted. I thought Toyota switched the source
 of their metal in 1988. Obviously, it did no good. Ed was nice enough to
 point out some new spots my truck is rusting (damn him).
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 Cheers,
 Karl Bellve, Ph.D.                   ICQ# 13956200
 Biomedical Imaging Group               IM: kbellve
 University of Massachusetts
 Email: kdb@molmed.ummed.edu
 Phone: (508) 856-6514
 Fax:   (508) 856-1840
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 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 09:34:25 -0400
 From: "Dr. Karl Bellve"  Subject: Re: Bio
 Frank Hamlett, M. D. wrote:>> Name: Brandon Hamlett>> Toyota (s) year & model: 1982 2WD pickup, 1985 4WD pickup, 1998 2WD> 4Runner>> Are you a TLCA Member (Y/N/Number?): No>> Age: 16>> Occupation: Student>> Marital Status: Single> Frank, or is it Brandon? How did you get a MD by the age of 16? I guess
 you are using your dad's email account?
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 Cheers,
 Karl Bellve, Ph.D.                   ICQ# 13956200
 Biomedical Imaging Group               IM: kbellve
 University of Massachusetts
 Email: kdb@molmed.ummed.edu
 Phone: (508) 856-6514
 Fax:   (508) 856-1840
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 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:23:34 -0400
 From: Eli  Subject: Turning around on tight trails
 Karl wrote-
 *********************
 Yea, and I just paid $700 for my TJM 13 (Steel). It did make me feel a
 little bit better when he tweaked his bumper against a tree and my TJM 13
 survived pushing trees out of the way when I had to make a U-Turn. His
 bumper is nice looking but it doesn't look like a current ARB or TJM
 bumper. I think Ed manages to get those deals. I won't mention his Recaro
 seat..Oops.
 ***********************
 I just use the stock bumper and body. Brush truck!
 Eli Madden
 Middlebury, Vermont
 '83 SR5 Pickup w/'87 22R, 31" Muds, 3" Front springs,
 and lots of dents and scratches!
 eli@computeralt.com
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 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 98 09:44:43 -0600
 From: bwiencek@kcnet.com
 Subject: Re: Jay's Web Page Updated
 On Tue, 14 Jul 1998, "Jay Kopycinski"  wrote:>Just a quick note that I've revised my web page a bit and added a
>http://www.netzone.com/~jayk
 Glad to see the disclaimer - I almost rolled that one taking the first turn!
 - - Brian
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 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 98 09:45:03 -0600
 From: bwiencek@kcnet.com
 Subject: Gears & fabrication
 OK,
 First a question - Will the rear gears from a later V-6 truck fit in
 my 4 cyl ('85) rear end?  Is there special bearings that are used for this?
 Also a question to all of you - after reading Jay's page about all of
 his fabrication, i was wondering what most of you use to cut metal stock
 with?  I'd sure love a plasma cutter, but I can't get myself to fork over the
 $1200...  I have tried various saw blades, saws, cutters, etc, and most of
 them were barely adequate.  I have a new (to me at least) 235 amp fourney arc
 welder waiting to be really utilized (I am currently building my version of a
 rear bumper for my '85 4runner, and trust me - you won't be able to bend this
 sucker with a hi-lift :-0
 - - Brian
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 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:32:31 -0400
 From: adickenson@kpmg.com
 Subject: Re[2]: 3.0L V6 Swap into A 1987 P-U???>Engine might last that long but it would be just the engine. I>noticed that almost every truck at the VT ride had severe rust damage>on the body and frames. Toyota bodies/frames may last in other parts>of the country but they get destroyed in the northeast. Most american>manufacturers use galvanized metals and you don't see that kind of>damage on their vehicles less than 10 years old. I was shocked when I>saw 1989 4Runners heavily rusted. I thought Toyota switched the>source of their metal in 1988. Obviously, it did no good. Ed was nice>enough to point out some new spots my truck is rusting (damn him).>Cheers,>Karl Bellve, Ph.D.                   ICQ# 13956200
 While I agree with pretty much your entire post, I thought he was just
 looking to swap engines, not trucks, so that was what I posted about.
 Rust sucks, but it can be fixed with a little creative welding,
 fiberglass or metal fill, some sandpaper and Krylon.  I'm about to
 learn all about fixing rust damage as I try to make my '72 FJ-40
 trail-worthy.  Anybody know a good, dependable, inexpensive frame shop
 in the DC area?
 Allen Dickenson
 1995 4Runner - "FT KNOX"
 1972 FJ-40 - still workin' on a name
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 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:51:32 -0500
 From: "Michael Rowe"  Subject: RE: Rust - was - 3.0L V6 Swap into A 1987 P-U???
 speaking of rust, I've got serious rust on my 4Runner that I just found about a month ago. The top of my cab is rusting from the
 inside out at the rain gutter seams. I found some rust about the size of two dimes and took some sand paper to it. Whoa! After
 sanding it there was nothing but air left and a nice hole in my cab! I started looking along the rest of the rail and I can see the
 spots coming through. I live in a harsh coastal climate and spend time on the beach every week but I also wash my truck once a week.
 In addition my truck has only been here for two years, it grew up in central Texas. I had eventually planned to fix all of the hail
 damage and repaint but now I'm just gonna have to let it go unless I can find the entire top of a cab to cut and patch. So anyone
 who might be looking for a hard top in about two years let me know. Once I have the money to buy another daily driver I'm going to
 ditch the top, yank the carpet, Rhino line everything inside and build a safari canvas top for the rear and make it a trail/beach
 truck only.
 Michael Rowe
 m.rowe@tomrowe.com
 Tom Rowe & Associates
 956.412.6600
 fax.412.3169> Engine might last that long but it would be just the engine. I noticed> that almost every truck at the VT ride had severe rust damage on the> body and frames. Toyota bodies/frames may last in other parts of the> country but they get destroyed in the northeast. Most american> manufacturers use galvanized metals and you don't see that kind of> damage on their vehicles less than 10 years old. I was shocked when I> saw 1989 4Runners heavily rusted. I thought Toyota switched the source> of their metal in 1988. Obviously, it did no good. Ed was nice enough to> point out some new spots my truck is rusting (damn him).
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 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 09:00:21 -0700
 From: Scott Wilson  Subject: Re: Bumpers
 Thomas Bank wrote:> On bumpers, has anyone had any experience with Reunel?  I have only seen> the pictures, but they seem even more stout than the ARB/TJM types.  Of> course, they are also a bit pricier as well.  Just wondering.
 I ran into a guy with them front and rear on his 84 p/u around memorial
 day.   They looked well built, but heavy as hell!  He had to increase is
 spring rate just to tote around the bumpers.  They also were not made
 with departure/approach angle in mind.  The TJM/ARBs are much slimmer,
 and I believe, just as tough.
 Scott
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 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 09:10:58 -0700
 From: Cabildo Brian B  Subject: Overheating
 Ok, here's the situation.  I have a 94 4-runner (stock as far as engine
 components and gears), and yesterday I'm driving moderately down the
 street and my truck starts to overheat.  I wasn't using the A/C and it
 was only about 85 degrees outside so why was it overheating?  I also
 have another problem that could possibly be related to the overheating,
 I've noticed that in the last two months, every four weeks my truck
 would be a quart low on oil.  Could this have anything to do with the
 head gasket recall?  (I hope that wasn't an idiot question, sorry for my
 ignorance)  I just heard about the recall a couple of weeks ago and
 haven't brought in the truck yet.  Thanks for any help!
 Brian Cabildo
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 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 09:15:12 -0700 (PDT)
 From: TrailDogg@webtv.net (~Trail Dogg~)
 Subject: Re: 22R
 the RE is the fuel ing. instead of carb.
 they are just a very well made motor!
 DARREN SINKEY
 TRAILDOGG@WEBTV.NET
 OROVILLE,CA./AZ IN 91-96
 1982 TOYOTA 4X4 LONGBED
 7"@33"
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 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 09:36:45 -0700 (PDT)
 From: TrailDogg@webtv.net (~Trail Dogg~)
 Subject: Re: Gears & fabrication
 use a skill saw with the fiber type metal cuting wheel, or a chop saw
 only $200-300
 DARREN SINKEY
 TRAILDOGG@WEBTV.NET
 OROVILLE,CA./AZ IN 91-96
 1982 TOYOTA 4X4 LONGBED
 7"@33"
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 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 09:34:16 -0700
 From: Chris Geiger  Subject: Rust even in California>  I can find the entire top of a cab to cut and patch. So anyone> who might be looking for a hard top in about two years let me know. Once I have the money to buy another daily driver I'm going to> ditch the top, yank the carpet, Rhino line everything inside and build a safari canvas top for the rear and make it a trail/beach> truck only.
 I have rust on the top of the rear doors on my 93 4Runner, poor design, the water stands in the door seals after a wash or rain. I have
 replaced the top of my 4runner allready (a tree fell on it in a parking lot). The top only cost about $300 (instalition was $8 Grand).
 You can buy just the top new from the dealer and cut out the section you need and weld it in.
 Chris Geiger 93 4Runner http://geiger.ic.ucsb.edu/offroad.html
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 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 09:41:50 -0700
 From: Chris Geiger  Subject: Re: Overheating> Ok, here's the situation.  I have a 94 4-runner (stock as far as engine> components and gears), and yesterday I'm driving moderately down the> street and my truck starts to overheat
 Yes it sounds like bad head gaskets. One of the symptoms is that Th. engine
 starts using water, making you low on coolant in no time. Low coolant will cause
 overheating. If the head gaskets are real bad you will over heat from the hot
 engine gasses excaping into the water, quickly heating up the water. Top off the
 oil and water and go directly to your dealer. Expect to pay a little to have the
 thermostat and timing belt replaced as long on the engine is open. If the engine
 is real bad they will replace the heads and/or rebuild the engine.
 Chris Geiger 93 4Runner http://geiger.ic.ucsb.edu/offroad.html
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 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 09:53:54 -0700
 From: Chris Geiger  Subject: Re: Bumpers
 Look who's talking, you had to put on an extra add-a-leaf after you put on that
 last rear bumper :-)
 I just removed my front bumper last night as I am going down to the welder today
 to add some 3/4" blocks to the front bumper support. This will allow me to use
 shackles tucked up high and remove the front tow hooks. I keep bending the clips
 back on the hooks.
 It's amazing how much higher the front end is without the front TJM on there.
 Chris Geiger 93 4Runner http://geiger.ic.ucsb.edu/offroad.html
 Scott Wilson wrote:> He had to increase is spring rate just to tote around the bumpers.
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 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:09:33 -0700
 From: Scott Wilson  Subject: Re: Bumpers
 Chris Geiger wrote:>> Look who's talking, you had to put on an extra add-a-leaf after you put on that> last rear bumper :-)
 Ha ha!  :-)   True...but this guy had to do WAY more than that.  He had
 to go to some THICK custom ford leafs...
 Scott
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 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:17:58 -0400
 From: Eli  Subject: Chrysler Joke
 Just found this one-
 Lexus engineers have a way of testing to see if their cars are air-tight.
 They would put a cat in the car and close it up. They
 would check the car again in 24 hours. If the cat was dead, it passed the
 test.
 Chrysler heard about this and decided to try it. They put a cat in one of
 their cars and closed it up. When they checked it again
 in 24 hours, the cat was gone.
 Eli
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 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:48:05 -0400
 From: Thomas Bank  Subject: 84-88 Beds
 I am not sure if anyone else has dealt with these folks, I just got a
 flyer in the mail.
 Dick's Auto Parts
 50521 State Road #13
 Middlebury, IN 46540
 (219) 825-7424   fax: 219-825-7463
 They offer "new" Toyota six-foot beds for 84 to 88.  The picture looks
 like an actual smooth-side Toyota bed from that era.  However, the
 listed construction is 12 ga. galvneel steel inner wall construction,
 one piece fiberglass outside walls, tailgate with steel interior and
 fiberglass exterior.  They say that the bed comes complete with all
 mounting hardware and primed and undercoated.
 It looks like a possible solution to replacing a bed with something
 "stock" although I would like to see it in person first.  I am a bit
 wary of how the fiberglass and wood beds would hold up, this steel
 interior would probably be better.  Anyone familiar with these folks?
 Thomas Bank
 '85 shortbed pickup
 Lemoyne, Pennsylvania, USA
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 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:20:56 -0700
 From: Kevin Valentine  Subject: Re: Turning around on tight trails
 If you are going to run trails thick enough where you have to knock
 trees over to turnaround,  I'd suggest you invest in a chainsaw,  rather
 than a heavy bumper.  And the saw will even come in handy back at camp
 or in the yard, etc.
 The idea though,  is to tread lightly!  Don't mess up a good thing that
 we all enjoy for the time being at least.
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 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:35:12 -0400
 From: "Dr. Karl Bellve"  Subject: Re: Turning around on tight trails
 Kevin Valentine wrote:>> If you are going to run trails thick enough where you have to knock> trees over to turnaround,  I'd suggest you invest in a chainsaw,  rather> than a heavy bumper.  And the saw will even come in handy back at camp> or in the yard, etc.
 Sorry, Kevin
 It was a joke. Trees weren't run over. They may have been tapped with a
 bumper. It is amazing how strong trees are. Just look at the cars that
 hit trees. The tree is usually fine and the car and its passengers are a
 mess. We also never left the trail. But when a trail ends and you can't
 go forward, you have to turn around. You could go forward and blaze the
 trail further but this isn't ethical. We all did 3-25 point turns :-)
 And I do carry a handsaw for those trees that have fallen across a
 trail.
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 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:03:50 -0700 (PDT)
 From: TrailDogg@webtv.net (~Trail Dogg~)
 Subject: Re: Turning around on tight trails
 ya the chainsaw was OEM on my toyota!
 DARREN SINKEY
 TRAILDOGG@WEBTV.NET
 OROVILLE,CA./AZ IN 91-96
 1982 TOYOTA 4X4 LONGBED
 7"@33"
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 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:16:13 -0700
 From: Andy Ramm  Subject: Re: Turning around on tight trails
 I got the Genuine Toyota chainsaw roof rack attachment for
 my 4Runner.  I was going to go for a front bumper mount, but
 it would have interfered with the factory flame thrower.  ;> ~Trail Dogg~ wrote:>> ya the chainsaw was OEM on my toyota!>> DARREN SINKEY> TRAILDOGG@WEBTV.NET> OROVILLE,CA./AZ IN 91-96> 1982 TOYOTA 4X4 LONGBED> 7"@33">> ============================================================================> Toyota 4x4 page: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota
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 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:00:20 -0700
 From: Andy Ramm  Subject: California Statewide Motorized Trail System - Info?
 Does anybody have any information on this?  I'd like to
 learn more about available off-road trals, especially in
 Northern California.  I'm interrested in planning a
 camping/photography expedition somewhere and plan to
 maintain Tread Lightly practices during the trip.  Any
 suggestions?
 This is the text from the Cal OHV site
 (http://www.calohv.ca.gov/).
 The Statewide Motorized Trail System (SMTS) is a
 unique
 compilation of the above. The backbone of the
 SMTS is the
 California Back Country Discovery Trails
 (CBDT). The CBDT is a
 concept that is now materializing, which will
 provide long distance
 touring opportunities throughout the State.
 The ultimate goal of the
 CBDT is to establish a motorized trail clear
 across California that
 links Mexico to Oregon
 Thanks,
 Andy
 '94 4Runner
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 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:17:08 -0700 (PDT)
 From: Jimmy Tom  Subject: Re: Gears & fabrication
 On Wed, 15 Jul 1998 bwiencek@kcnet.com wrote:> with?  I'd sure love a plasma cutter, but I can't get myself to fork over the> $1200...  I have tried various saw blades, saws, cutters, etc, and most of> them were barely adequate.  I have a new (to me at least) 235 amp fourney arc> welder waiting to be really utilized (I am currently building my version of a> rear bumper for my '85 4runner, and trust me - you won't be able to bend this> sucker with a hi-lift :-0
 If you're not getting too fancy w/ your cuts (Just angled ends and miters)
 then one of them chop saws do go a very long way.  You can get 'em for
 about $160 at Home Depot for a decent 10" Makita.  I like to deburr and
 smooth w/ the same abrasive wheel that cuts -- saves having to pull out a
 4" grinder or die grinder.  Also, be ready to have your gargae smell like
 a muffler shop.....that's all they ever use to cut tubing and etc.
 Now if I could find an affordable tubing bender w/ more affordable
 dies....any suggestions?
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 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:38:28 -0700 (PDT)
 From: Robert Redmon  Subject: engine knock, piston slap(?)
 Hi,
 I just purchased a 93 4x4 sr5 v6 xtra-cab automatic as of 2 months ago,
 from a dealer with a (12k mile)/1year warranty on the drivetrain.  My
 truck has 85k miles, and upon testdriving I didn't notice any peculiar
 noises or shimmys.  Lately, I hear two strange noises:
 (1) Intermittant metalic sounding rattle at 3000 RPM whenever
 engine is revved under load and moving more than 25 MPH.  The noise isn't
 very loud -- I can't hear it when A/C is on.  I don't hear this noise
 until the engine is warmed up.  When revving the engine with tranny in
 gear and depressing brake to keep truck stopped, I don't hear this noise.
 I also don't hear this noise when coasting on highway in neutral and
 revving engine.
 (2) After having driven 5 miles or more and the temp gauge
 indicates that the engine is warmed up I notice a slight thumping noise
 whenever taking off from a stop with the slightest acceleration.  I can
 hear this thumping from about 1000rpm-1300rpm (the pace of the thumping
 quickens with rpm).  I don't hear this noise before truck is warmed up, so
 it is not the combination of engine noises making a beat like when playing
 two different sounds with slightly different frequencies.  I also don't
 hear the thumping while revving engine in neutral.
 The mechanic at the dealership where I bought the truck fed me a line
 regarding (2).  He said (2) didn't seem like a problem "as there is some
 slop built in the crankshaft-bearing connection."  BTW: The oil gauge
 indicates normal oil pressure, gas mileage=@17mpg, and no noise change
 using higher octane gas.
 I would appreciate any responses, no matter how far-fetched, regarding
 what to do and how to get the dealer to fix it if there is a problem.
 Thanks in advance!
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 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:59:26 -0700 (PDT)
 From: TrailDogg@webtv.net (~Trail Dogg~)
 Subject: Re: Turning around on tight trails
 wow!!! the factory flame thrower!
 you don`t see those on the TRD no do ya!
 DARREN SINKEY
 TRAILDOGG@WEBTV.NET
 OROVILLE,CA./AZ IN 91-96
 1982 TOYOTA 4X4 LONGBED
 7"@33"
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 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:06:44 -0700 (PDT)
 From: TrailDogg@webtv.net (~Trail Dogg~)
 Subject: Re: Gears & fabrication
 tubing bebder $80 @ harbor frieght tools!
 www.harborfrieght.com
 tht is the cheapest one it will bend sch40   up to i think 2 1/2,
 someone said it bends up rollbars of the in-cab type pretty well.
 DARREN SINKEY
 TRAILDOGG@WEBTV.NET
 OROVILLE,CA./AZ IN 91-96
 1982 TOYOTA 4X4 LONGBED
 7"@33"
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