Toyota 4x4 digest:        Saturday, May 2 1998        Volume 01 : Number 837
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 Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 14:53:22 -0700
 From: Chris Geiger  Subject: Re: Stickers?> Both are great ideas....thanks for posting them, Chris.  BTW, what size> are we looking at here?  Also, any thoughts on putting them on a clear> sticker or a white background?  Duct tape?
 I think printing them on rolls of duct tape would be great!
 I am looking at 3" round, white background with Black lettering. Yes a
 window sticker would be nice too, maybe later. It will have the wording
 of the bottom logo "Toyota 4x4 Mailing List Member" on top and
 "toy4x4@tlca.org" at the bottom. I think the cost will be $1 for two
 stickers including shipping. If any one else has a drawing they are
 working on for submission please let me know ASAP, otherwise I will go
 ahead and have these printed up next week. The first run will be 1,000
 stickers. You can see the sticker at
 http://geiger.mcl.ucsb.edu/logo/logo.html
 Chris Geiger 93 4Runner http://geiger.mcl.ucsb.edu/offroad.html
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 Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 15:12:36 -0700
 From: Chris Geiger  Subject: Re: Stickers!
 I just got an updated version of the sticker art that includes the
 circle, different wording, and it's been cleaned up for the printing
 process.  If I don't get any more suggestions by Monday I am going to
 have 1,000 of these printed up. See it at
 http://geiger.mcl.ucsb.edu/logo/logo.html
 Chris Geiger 93 4Runner http://geiger.mcl.ucsb.edu/offroad.html
 "ROKRUNR"
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 Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 18:17:03 -0400
 From: Agustinus Gunawan  Subject: RE: Stickers?
 I agree, good job but please remove the space between the toy4X4@tlca.org.
 The one in your web page shows Toy 4X4@tlca.org
 And how would you handle the ordering.
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 From:	Chris Geiger [SMTP:cgeiger@gte.net]
 I think printing them on rolls of duct tape would be great!
 I am looking at 3" round, white background with Black lettering. Yes a
 window sticker would be nice too, maybe later. It will have the wording
 of the bottom logo "Toyota 4x4 Mailing List Member" on top and
 "toy4x4@tlca.org" at the bottom. I think the cost will be $1 for two
 stickers including shipping. If any one else has a drawing they are
 working on for submission please let me know ASAP, otherwise I will go
 ahead and have these printed up next week. The first run will be 1,000
 stickers. You can see the sticker at
 http://geiger.mcl.ucsb.edu/logo/logo.html
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 Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 15:45:04 -0700
 From: Chris Geiger  Subject: Re: Stickers?> I agree, good job but please remove the space between the toy4X4@tlca.org.> The one in your web page shows Toy 4X4@tlca.org> And how would you handle the ordering.
 Ok I fixed that, Scott Wilson thought I should get rid of the word
 "member" too, what do you guys think? As to ordering I think the best
 way would be to send me a check for $1 and I will mail the stickers
 back. Any other ideas?
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 Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 15:46:34 -0700 (PDT)
 From: Jimmy Tom  Subject: Re: Stickers!
 On Fri, 1 May 1998, Chris Geiger wrote:> If I don't get any more suggestions by Monday I am going to> have 1,000 of these printed up. See it at> http://geiger.mcl.ucsb.edu/logo/logo.html
 Bravo, bravo!
 After ~ 2 years we finally have a sticker!  I was getting ready to hang a
 blown headgasket in the window......
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 Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 15:50:56 -0800
 From: Scott Wilson  Subject: Re: Stickers?
 Chris Geiger wrote:> Ok I fixed that, Scott Wilson thought I should get rid of the word> "member" too, what do you guys think?
 I think it will make the sticker look less cluttered, and also make the
 text easier to read, since it won't be upside down.
 Scott
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 Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 15:51:49 -0700 (PDT)
 From: Jimmy Tom  Subject: Re: Stickers?
 On Fri, 1 May 1998, Chris Geiger wrote:> Ok I fixed that, Scott Wilson thought I should get rid of the word> "member" too, what do you guys think? As to ordering I think the best> way would be to send me a check for $1 and I will mail the stickers> back. Any other ideas?
 IMO, "member" doesn't need to be there....you wouldn't have the sticker
 unless you WERE, right? As for the $1 check, it sounds good (and keeps
 people from raiding your mailbox for singles), but would it be easier on
 your end to send a SASE?
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 Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 16:13:36 -0700
 From: David Fritzsche  Subject: Bed Boxes> Do these ammo boxes have any provision for locking them, with a
 padlock or  a key lock?
 The Ammo boxes that I used had two latches. I turned one into a hinge by
 cutting off the up right part on the locating lip and welding the latch
 in place. On the other end I welded a piece of a heavy chain link on so
 the latch would close over it and it stick through the latch and I can
 put a lock on it. The chain link was about 2 " long and it is about 1/4"
 in diameter. I cut one end off and drilled two holes in the box and
 welded it in place. Works great, only one lock on each box. I will have
 three boxes in the bed when I am through, two in the back for storage
 and one up front that will have my home made on-board air system in it.
 The front one I cut and welded at an angle so it would fit between the
 front of the bed and the wheel well. In the storage box I made some
 wooden trays that slide down into the boxes. I made three trays. I use
 one for nuts,  bolts , tape what ever I think that I will need. The
 other two I use for tools, one for metrics and the other for SAE.
 David Fritzsche,1990 V-6 Ex-Cab, Pro-Comp II Lift, Rancho 9000 shocks,
 4:88 Gears, Tru-Trak front, ARB rear,
 Marlin Gear Change, Centerforce Clutch, 33" BFG-MT's, 8" Rims, Warn 8000
 Winch, Custom made Rear Bumper, Winch Mount, Re-Worked Smitty-Built
 Nerfs, CB Mount, On-Board Air Tank and System (made
 from two Cadillac air suspension pumps--still working on this). All
 parts designed an built by the owner.
 (Man I hope they don't fall off). This truck is built for Rockin--Not
 for Lookin!
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 Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 16:47:21 -0700
 From: Chris Geiger  Subject: Re: Stickers?> As for the $1 check, it sounds good (and keeps> people from raiding your mailbox for singles), but would it be easier on> your end to send a SASE?
 A SASE would be much easier and then I could make it more like 6
 stickers for a dollar. I don't want to deposit a bunch of checks for
 less than a dollar or I think the bank will be mad at me. If I sold all
 the stickers at 6 for a dollar then a could take our list artist, Woody
 out to dinner some time.
 Chris Geiger 93 4Runner http://geiger.mcl.ucsb.edu/offroad.html
 "ROKRUNR"
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 Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 18:08:17 -0700
 From: Steve Harron  Subject: RE: Scratched CD's> Does anyone know how to repair scratched CD's....instead of buying new> ones.  I have heard of the use of auto detail wax but am unsure....> I've had some luck using a fine auto polish.  Try Meguiers swirl
 remover.  Also Meguiers makes a plastic polish for clear plastic.  I
 have used that for cleaning scratches out of my clear plastic "glass"
 gauge covers on the dash, and clear plastic windshield on my motorcycle.
 Don't rub too hard though!  Also, FWIW if you scratch a CD on the side
 where the artist name and song listings are printed, it's ruined.
 Steve Harron
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 Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 18:09:42 -0700
 From: Steve Harron  Subject: RE: Toyota 4x4 digest: V1 #836>>Heck, I just filled my engine with Prolong, let it run a bit then> drained it>>all out and got rid of that pesky filter while I was at it,> I hope you remembered to fill the crankcase with sand!
 Steve Harron
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 Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 18:06:54 -0700 (PDT)
 From: Jonathan Albrecht  Subject: Hard pull in 4wd
 Last weekend I took a few bad lines and well... got a bit more air than
 I wanted.  Anyway, here's the problem:
 Any time that I have the truck in 4wd, and gas it hard, it pulls real
 hard to the left.  Actually, what it really does, is the steering wheel
 gets real light and turns towards the right as the truck starts to go
 left. As long as I keep it at about 90 degrees turned right, the truck
 goes strait (under full throttle).  If you've ever driven a truck with a
 front locker, it's almost exactly the same as running it in 4wd with
 just the passenger's side hub locked.
 In 2wd, it drives just fine, and is smooth up to 80mph (haven't found a
 steep enough hill to try anything faster ;).  In 4wd, as long as you
 don't gas it hard, it drives just fine too.. though it does feel a bit
 twitchier/vauge.
 The truck is an IFS with an unmodifed (for now ;) rancho 3" kit, newish
 35bfg's and 10" rims.
 I checked the basics.. the steering damper's (or dampener, whatever ;)
 on tight, and still functional (probably not much effect anyway), and
 all the ball joints and tie rod ends seem very tight with no noticable
 play in them.  I tried pulling (in all directions) on the pitman arm and
 idler arm, and they seem to be nice and tight too...well, I can't get
 them to move any direction but what they were designed for anyways.  I
 still need to check my air pressure, but I just aired them up to 30psi
 on sunday (I noticed this problem last wednesday) so I doubt that's it..
 one tire doesn't look noticbly flat(er) than the others.
 One of my buddies had this same problem on his '90 last winter, and I
 forget what finally fixed it (though I know it took awhile to figger
 out) so I don't think it has anything to do with the rancho kit itself..
 but I dunno.
 Personally, I think it might be the idler arm.  Here's why:  When you
 gas it (in 4wd), the tires want to toe in (easier than pulling the truck
 forwards).  The Tie rod is connected between the pitman and idler arms.
 with the two small drag links/tie rods running from the main drag link
 down to the knuckles.  My thought is that the idler arm is
 moving/flexing up (or down) and allowing the passenger's side tire to
 toe in, causing the truck to go left.. ect.  How do I check this out?
 Any other suggestions?
 thanks,
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 Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 18:07:37 -0700
 From: "Allen Jensen"  Subject: Logos
 I vote for the first one. Nice and neutral, but looks really good. Good job
 to all.
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 Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 20:46:27 -0500
 From: "Michael Rowe"  Subject: RE: CD's---off topic.
 I've used a Blue Coral Polishing Compound on some CDRoms and brought them
 back to life. Never tried it on audio
 Steve wrote:
 Does anyone know how to repair scratched CD's....instead of buying new
 ones.  I have heard of the use of auto detail wax but am unsure....
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 Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 18:54:16 -0700
 From: "Mark & Laura Mandere"  Subject: Valve adjustment
 Anyone know what the average price for a valve adjustment on a 22re is?
 Got a 155k on mine and its making some racket to say the least!  Gonna call
 Toyota Monday and want to make sure I am not gonna get ripped.
 By all
 lmandere@famrc.org
 Mark
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 Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 19:14:17 -0700
 From: Nick.Krest@nickkrest.batnet.com (Nick Krest)
 Subject: Re: OBD-2
 Scott Muir wrote:
 "I don't recall this being resolved, but
 I take it since all has been quiet on it
 for about a year, that this isn't an
 issue."
 In California, several cool (for us regular folk) things have happened in
 the last 15 months to cripple the onerous threat of OBD-2:
 - The citizens (and therefore, their elected officials) got p.o.'d
 at CARB's attempt to exert complete control over their vehicles and their
 lives. This effectively cancelled the "treadmill" smog test, where the
 vehicle would be running with its drive wheels on rollers. Big tires could
 have potentially honked this up big-time. The test is still a tailpipe-only
 thing. In addition, a 25-year rule was put proposed (not sure if it is yet
 effective), where vehicles more than 25 years old were exempted from the
 smog laws. The Gross Polluter thing has sort of died as well. In
 California, which has no public-transit systems to speak of, if you take
 away a person's vehicle, you take away their livelihood. And NO ONE that
 holds public office wants to open that can of worms.
 - The logistics of the thing kind of crushed all the Big
 Brother-style testing CARB was proposing. Proposed state-run-only smog test
 stations, died a quick death, when the realization that running 15,000,000
 cars a year thru a 60-90 minute procedure added up almost exponentially
 (within a week of beginning this program, the state-run Referee Stations
 had a three-month backlog). I checked with CARB in the 818, and they said
 it would be illegal to tamper with any system that would affect the
 emissions. But they also admitted that since their plan has sort of
 crumbled under public and legislative pressure, there is no way they could
 implement any sort of procedure to check for error codes.
 I have yet to meet someone who has bought a Tacoma and run 35" or larger
 tires with stock gearing. This is the sort of thing that would have, in
 theory, brought on the error codes. It was never a question of the math,
 more a question of the load vs. speed issue. Would a severely slipping
 clutch have brought the same panic on? I don't know, and would prefer not
 to.
 In California, as before, you still go to a local gas station and get
 hooked up to pretty much the same test machines. The only difference is now
 the test results are transmitted electronically to the DMV. All of the
 shops do "pre-testing", which means they run the machine without turning on
 the modem.
 So I guess it's all a moot point at this period in time; a stalemate
 between myself and Ken Sandberg. I, for one, am glad that we DIDN'T find
 out whether or not I was correct on all this. I would prefer to be
 incorrect.
 I guess it just goes to show that the power of public opinion CAN have an
 effect on government.
 - Nick
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 Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 21:52:56 -0500
 From: Robert Stein  Subject: Re: Stickers?
 Chris Geiger wrote:>>> As for the $1 check, it sounds good (and keeps>> people from raiding your mailbox for singles), but would it be easier on>> your end to send a SASE?>> A SASE would be much easier and then I could make it more like 6> stickers for a dollar. I don't want to deposit a bunch of checks for> less than a dollar or I think the bank will be mad at me. If I sold all> the stickers at 6 for a dollar then a could take our list artist, Woody> out to dinner some time.> Chris Geiger 93 4Runner http://geiger.mcl.ucsb.edu/offroad.html> "ROKRUNR"
 Well, tell me where to send my buck and I'll get it in the mail next
 week :)   Thatks for all your time and effort Chris and Woody !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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 TLCA MEMBER# 7321   rrbbs@juno.com              STOCK 22R-E Motor
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 Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 20:11:22 -0700
 From: "Brandon Miller"  Subject: Re: Stickers?
 Gotta ask, what is the rush??  If you can give me two more days I'd like to
 submit a drawing that I think people will like...
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 From: Robert Stein  To: toy4x4@tlca.org  Date: Friday, May 01, 1998 8:00 PM
 Subject: Re: Stickers?>Chris Geiger wrote:>>>>> As for the $1 check, it sounds good (and keeps>>> people from raiding your mailbox for singles), but would it be easier
 on>>> your end to send a SASE?>>>> A SASE would be much easier and then I could make it more like 6>> stickers for a dollar. I don't want to deposit a bunch of checks for>> less than a dollar or I think the bank will be mad at me. If I sold all>> the stickers at 6 for a dollar then a could take our list artist, Woody>> out to dinner some time.>> Chris Geiger 93 4Runner http://geiger.mcl.ucsb.edu/offroad.html>> "ROKRUNR">>Well, tell me where to send my buck and I'll get it in the mail next>week :)  >>Thatks for all your time and effort Chris and Woody !!!!!!!!!!!!!!>>-->Robert Stein        rjstein@lawtonok.net       `85 SR5 X-Tra Cab>TLCA MEMBER# 7321   rrbbs@juno.com              STOCK 22R-E Motor>Lawton,Okla     rjstein@wolverine.cameron.edu   12+" Lift<2"body>>http://www.lawtonok.net/rjstein/toyota.html    33x14.50x15 Mickey's>>===========================================================================
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 Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 23:19:18 -0400
 From: "David C. Inabinet"  Subject: Re: CD's---off topic.
 I have a good hint. Dont buy the new Van Halen album! That CD SUCKS!!!
 :-)
 Dave
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 From: Steve C.  To: _Toy4x4@tlca.org  Date: Friday, May 01, 1998 5:44 PM
 Subject: CD's---off topic.>This is off topic but it happened in my toyota so I guess its not>completely out of hand.>>Does anyone know how to repair scratched CD's....instead of buying new>ones.  I have heard of the use of auto detail wax but am unsure....>Thanks in advance....>-->Steve Capuano 1996 Tacoma ext cab V6 4X4>stevecapuano@geocities.com 32x11.50x15 BFG MT>Houston, Texas Rear LockRight  K&N filter> Edelbrock headers>NRA lifetime member Dynomax 2.5" cat back>>===========================================================================
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 Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 12:34:13 -0400
 From: Andrew Hojnowski  Subject: New england run
 I would be possible interested in a new england area run!.  What are the
 possible dates, and where exactly did you have in mind.  It's very hard to
 find 4x4 groups on the east cost, so I'm sure there would be a few others
 interseted!!, I know of a few friends just waiting to do some real 4wheeling.
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 Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 21:42:36 -0700
 From: David Gibbs  Subject: Re: Toyota 4x4 digest: V1 #836
 I have this noise coming from the dash on my 90 4 Runner.  It will do it> anytime...not related to hot, cold or windy weather!  It will get louder> the faster I drive...and then out of the blue it will stop. Is it the> speedo cable?
 Have you checked the grommet that goes around the steering shaft?  A common source of noisy air leaks.   Also, both
 logos look great.  I need one for my IFS 88 and one for my 85.    Does anyone have a 4.88 3rd member to sell me so I
 can use those IFS 4.88s in my 85?  Or I'll sell the IFS f and rear axles w/ 4.88s for $600
 David Gibbs
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 Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 22:07:29 +0000
 From: "Corey L. Weekley"  Subject: Re: Logo
 I like the IFS logo because it seems simplier. But I'll go with either
 one. Ok, now the question, when will it be avaible and how do I get it?
 Corey Weekley
 98' Std-Cab Tacoma
 clw6@dana.ucc.nau.edu
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 Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 22:07:27 -0700
 From: Greg Sue  Subject: CBs
 Just a quick note about "small" CB's...  many of the really small ones
 (ie. the very inexpensive ones) have cheap receiver sections...  if you
 are 'wheeling in a group, the closer trucks may overload the receiver,
 and they will sound like crap...  although the farther-away trucks will
 sound ok.  A valuable feature to look for is an "RF Gain" control, which
 will let you adjust the sensitivity of your receiver.  I mention this as
 I ran into this problem last week while 'wheeling.
 On another note, the VHF-FM radios that we used yesterday performed well
 from "right close by" to over 10 miles away (we got separated, and went
 in opposite directions before we figured out that we were on different
 roads!).  We were exploring a twisty valley (Squamish River Valley, for
 those in British Columbia), and well out of CB range.  We still had
 excellent reception, and could have gone alot further.
 About shackles:  Some guy in a Rabbit rear-ended my truck 2 days ago...
 he was stopped by the spare tire and a Con-Ferr shackle.  I didn't even
 feel it, just heard it.  He had a nice shackle mark in his hood and a
 cracked grille...  no damage to my truck, except for a bent license
 plate, which I straightened out in front of him.  I then brushed off his
 paint flakes from the shackle, which didn't even get scratched.  He said
 "Wow, tough truck..."  and I replied, "Hey, it's a Toyota!"
 Greg Sue
 no-clue@mindless.com
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 Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 22:38:24 -0700
 From: Jim Brink  Subject: Re: OBD-2
 Scott Muir wrote:>> Jim Brink wrote:>>You can't interrogate an OBD-II equipped vehicle without a special>>serial scan tool. From what I have seen, tire and wheel swaps are not>>affected by OBD-II, and the same goes for aftermarket engine equipment>>including headers and exhaust.>> The big threat that I guess never realized was the computer would shut the truck> down for whatever reason.  Have you ever seen this? and if so, under what> conditions?
 I've only seen this in the event of a sensor or component failure. The
 OBD system will effectively go into a "limp home" mode, so as to prevent
 damage to the engine, usually from detonation. This function isn't
 specific to OBD-II however, just incorporated into the vehicle's
 programming strategy.
 California is indeed going to go to a loaded-mode (chassis dynamometer)
 emission test. It just merely is postponed until the first of June. This
 testing is required in the enhanced areas like L.A., Orange, and a
 handful of Counties in the Northern part of the State. These will be run
 by independent shops though. There are "test only" stations around as
 well but these too are independently operated. There will be only a few
 centralized emission test facilities. These will test a pre-selected
 group (I think it is 15% of the representative "fleet" of vehicles on
 the road) of cars and light trucks through an appointment process. This
 is more or less a control procedure to test the new system.
 In the event of a vehicle having large tires on a loaded mode test, the
 smog technician would probably refer the owner to a referee station for
 testing. Large tires and dynos do not mix. Just ask one of my techs. who
 found out the hard way last week :-)
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 Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 16:39:01 EST
 From: "james stevenson"  Subject: Re: Axles
 Chris Geiger Wrote>James I wish you had a web page so we could all see what you are up to
 over there with the creation of TT3! Please send us some pictures.
 I have the gear to do it but not the time at this point. I have however
 done the stuff for the Vlink and will do the Double shackle setup and
 double jointed shackle soon. You can get the Vlink on Jack Alford's page
 http://www.off-road.com/~jalford/. I will send you some stuff on TT3.
 TT3 will I hope be on the road in a few months. I have to do a lot of
 testing before rego is attained as a vehicle in its own right and am
 going wheeling for 2 months late in the year and want it done for the
 trip.
 James Stevenson (TonkaTuf)
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 From: "james stevenson"  Subject: Re: Kinetic Suspension systems??>Any available positions at the shop ;^) ?
 Do you want to live in OZ?
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 From: "james stevenson"  Subject: ideas...>lever-type upper shock mounts
 I used the same length arms for both shocks on the first suspension
 setup on Tonktuf2. Then moved on to an inboard arrangement with unequal
 arms. The lever arrangement allows you to keep the stock shock bracket
 and extend the shock lengths longer. You can actually get longer shocks
 under the front guards than using extended upper towers. With a 3rd gen
 solid rig you can only extend the towers 2 in anyway.  By using a lever
 setup you can effectively extend the shock tower length by or more 6
 inches depending on tire sizes. By using a short arm you will limit the
 affect to the extra shock travel, but by upping the rate on the second
 shock you can have a soft shock at the ends of the travel and a hard one
 in the middle assuming the shocks have equal rate. I initially ran
 RS9000's on each the main shock on 2 and the second unit on 5 with equal
 arms giving a soft rate in the middle and a hard rate at the extremes.>How about a shackle reversal for the front of Toyota trucks?
 A shackle reversal will help the 3rd gen tyre clearances but produce
 more bump steer. Forcing the change to crossover steering. Why not just
 add a shackle on the other end of the spring and a Vlink to control it.
 The diff will now stay in the middle (close enough) and have heaps more
 articulation. To do the shackle you can replace the existing fixed eye
 mount or make a shackle the replicates the spring eye on one end an a
 normal shackle on the other. I went for a double jointed shackle, by
 wielding two tubes 3 inch apart. Both of the tubes replicates the spring
 eye dimensions. I then used stock sized poly bushes in the tubes. The
 unit fits to the stock fixed eye mount on the frame. Then you use a
 stock shackle to mount the spring. You will need to add a few tabs to
 the shackle adaptor so it won't invert when returning after the
 suspension is fully extended.
 James Stevenson (TonkaTuf)
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 From: Frank DiGiovanni  Subject: RE: Stickers
 I like the first one with the IFS, you can hardly tell what truck it is.
 It's about time we get this issue resolved. I've been waiting for a sticker
 for a long time, but it keeps on being put off. Every list that I have
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 From: Frank DiGiovanni  Subject: Re: 4Runner for sale
 Ken Emanuel wrote:
 Subject: Re: 4Runner for sale>Frank,>The 1990-1995 4Runners are all basically the same.  All were available with>the 22R-E 4 cyl or 3vz-e V6.  In 1992 Toyota began using the "T" emblem>versus spelling out "Toyota," the instruments look a little different, and>the headlights changed to the larger composite look.  Other than that,>expect the same well built truck.  Your 2 door is very rare, are you sure>you want to sell it?
 I know it's rare and I hate to part with it, but it get's real cumbersome
 when I go camping and I sleep in the back. I have to crawl over the front
 seat to get to the back.
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 From: Scott Ellinger  Subject: Re: Hard pull in 4wd> Personally, I think it might be the idler arm.  Here's why:  When you> gas it (in 4wd), the tires want to toe in (easier than pulling the truck> forwards).  The Tie rod is connected between the pitman and idler arms.> with the two small drag links/tie rods running from the main drag link> down to the knuckles.  My thought is that the idler arm is> moving/flexing up (or down) and allowing the passenger's side tire to> toe in, causing the truck to go left.. ect.  How do I check this out?> Any other suggestions?> Checking the idler arm is pretty easy for a quick check; I'm not sure
 what the "real" check involves.
 Just park the truck, lock the wheel (key off and out) and try to steer
 the passenger side tire while watching the arm.  It shouldn't move much,
 but there's supposed to be a little itty-bitty bit of play.  If it's
 bent, it'll have to be pretty badly bent before it's visisbly bent, but
 mashed internal bushings can lead to play.
 And as someone who has bent one and trashed the bushings out of another,
 I've never had this kind of problem with my truck as you descibed.
 It could also be a bent control arm (did you bottom it really hard?) but
 again, I've done that, but never had such an experience (except the one
 time I drove home on the front spool with only one hub locked... :) )
 You mentioned "a little more air" than you should have; how much is too
 much?  :> - --scott.
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 From: "John Douglas"  Subject: Kinetic Suspensions
 The ability of this suspension system has to been seen to be believed.
 It is awesome and the front and rear articulation is the same!!. What is
 not also mentioned is it is computor controlled and no matter what
 position either wheel are in, the system also works by putting the exact
 same amount of force on each wheel, so there is absolutely no
 wheelspin no matter what condition.  The vehicle just crawls out with no
 loss of traction on any wheel.
 I have seen it demonstrated on numerous occassions and it makes your
 jaw drop, believe me. The vehicles cannot get stopped. Those pictures
 going over those logs are not just to demonstrate the articulation, they
 are actually driving over them!!! stop, takeoff, stop, takeoff with no
 wheelspin whatsoever.
 I don't know the cost but I can assure you, with this suspension you
 could virtually go anywhere!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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 Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 08:29:07 -0700
 From: "Brandon Miller"  Subject: Re: Kinetic Suspensions
 The new Jeeps will be using something like this.  I saw a fleet of them
 being tested on the Rubicon last year, forced suspension they called it....
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 Subject: Kinetic Suspensions>>The ability of this suspension system has to been seen to be believed.>It is awesome and the front and rear articulation is the same!!. What is>not also mentioned is it is computor controlled and no matter what>position either wheel are in, the system also works by putting the exact>same amount of force on each wheel, so there is absolutely no>wheelspin no matter what condition.  The vehicle just crawls out with no>loss of traction on any wheel.>>I have seen it demonstrated on numerous occassions and it makes your>jaw drop, believe me. The vehicles cannot get stopped. Those pictures>going over those logs are not just to demonstrate the articulation, they>are actually driving over them!!! stop, takeoff, stop, takeoff with no>wheelspin whatsoever.>>I don't know the cost but I can assure you, with this suspension you>could virtually go anywhere!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!>>===========================================================================
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 From: Jon Brandt  Subject: Re: Valve adjustment
 Have you considered doing it yourself?
 Its a piece of cake!
 Its a little hard doing the recommended hot adjustment the first time.
 But once you've done it, its much easier and faster the next time.
 It takes about half an hour, including clean-up.
 Just label and disconnect the interfering hoses, remove the valve cover,
 rotate the engine to TDC with a wrench on the main pulley, and check the
 four valves that are loose. I recommend using the more complete directions
 of the repair manual, though.
 There was a string a while back about adjusting them cold. I believe it
 was .009 and .011 for intake and exhaust. I tried this with success, myself.
 Check in the index for sure.
 Jon Brandt
 On Fri, 1 May 1998, Mark & Laura Mandere wrote:>  Anyone know what the average price for a valve adjustment on a 22re is?> Got a 155k on mine and its making some racket to say the least!  Gonna call> Toyota Monday and want to make sure I am not gonna get ripped.> By all> lmandere@famrc.org> Mark
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 From: Luke P Miller  Subject: Tacoma lift
 I just ran across a new Tacoma in the parking lot here at school. It had a
 three inch body lift, a suspension lift, and 33-inch Muds. I'm guessing
 that the suspension kit was a Pro-comp, they're the only ones
 manufacturing a kit besides downey, right? Anyway, the front end kit was
 fairly involved, all sorts of bracket and such, plus a sort of double
 shock set-up, with the stock one inside the coil and what had to be a
 shock extending up from the upper ball joint to a bracket in the
 fenderwell. Sort of like a Macpherson strut, with out the coil spring like
 a regular strut.
 What bugged me was the underside of this kit. Maybe the owner was too
 cheap to spring for the skidplates, but stuff was exposed. The front diff
 had no protection in front of or underneath it on its front half. The
 steering rack at the rear of the assembly was also left out in the open.
 Seems to me that these two things are ripe for the picking by stray rocks.
 There must be skidplates available, but they certainly shouldn't be
 optional if the truck is going to be used (I doubt this one will be used).
 Luke Miller
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 Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 12:31:34 -0700
 From: Jim Brink  Subject: Re: Tune - up for my 90 4 Runner
 ALEX OBROCK wrote:>> Hey I am thinking of doing a major tune up.  Change spark plug, spark> plug wire, rotor, maybe the fuel filter.  Do you all recommend a> particular brand. Is there something else I should to on this tune-up.
 don't forget to replace the distributor cap if you do the rotor. Check
 your fan belts and radiator hoses. Has the coolant ever been changed?
 Clean the battery cables and remove the intake hose and clean the
 throttle body bore and throttle plate too.> I am thinking of taking it to Precision Tune...any comments?  Do the 4> Runners have a chain or belt for a timing, how much should it cost. They> said at precision tune up it was going to be +/- $ 80 to do ALL belts (3> I think).  By the way I am starting to get into doing the mechanic work> myself but don't quite trust myself...you guys understand.
 Never heard of precison tune. Are they like a Tune-Up Masters or
 discount tune place? If so, save your money and do it yourself. You can
 also do the fan belts yourself too. Maybe cost you $30 max for the parts
 if you use good quality belts.
 Your 4Runner has a belt for cam timing. This belt drives the camshafts
 via the crankshaft. It does not control the ignition timing, just the
 movement of the camshaft(s) that turn the distributor.
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