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Publish date: Mar 16, 1997
By: ORC STAFF
Source: Off-Road.com

Toy4x4 Digest Sun, 16 Mar 97 00:30:02 (HST) Volume 1 : Issue 100
Today's Topics:
22re engine block
22RE missing...
ARB air line
Bio (2 msgs)
Dealer service (3 msgs)
deisel (2 msgs)
Diesel
Digest mode (2 msgs)
exhaust (2 msgs)
Front torque rod
Good Battery?
Head Gasket POLL
Head gasket poll? why not.
HYPERTECH computer upgrades
Ignition cylinder won't turn at all (2 msgs)
NWOR header (2 msgs)
Power antenna
Rear torque rod (3 msgs)
Recommendations (2 msgs)
Spring Shackles
Too cold to work ?
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Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 02:36:05 -0500
From: Gratz Subject: 22re engine block
To: toy4x4@tlca.org
My friend has an'85 celica with a 22RE motor recently he had the
head and block decked to minimum factory specs. Problem is the timing
chain jumps 3 links when aligned. Should we remove the links or is there
another way to get this thing running? T.I.A.
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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 13:28:39 -0500 (EST)
From: Toy4x4s@aol.com
Subject: 22RE missing...
To: toy4x4@tlca.org
I did change the cap and rotor yesterday... They were pitted, no cracks tho.
We are swapping engines between our recently rebuilt 22RE from our wrecked 85
truck and this 85 4Runner sometime in April... I am already using the wires
from the truck since they are genuine Toyota and replaced only about a year
ago. I have inspected them, and there don't seem to be any cracks or
whatever...
Here's my other thought...
In the 85 truck we had a feul injector wire corrode/break in the harness, and
one of the injectors didn't fire, and it was missing bad and had no power...
We had to strip down the entire harness to the injectors and put new wire in
and we soldered it in... So that's one of my thoughts... that the wire has a
break in it, and when cold and humid it doesn't make contact, but as it warms
up it makes intermittent contact. Because as you drive down the road it will
run normal then bad... bad more than normal. Then second thing to suspect is
a partially clogged injector. The orig owner didn't seem to do much up
keep... just what he had to do. So I would bet that when he sold it with 190k
he had never had the injectors cleaned. So when we tear it down that will be
something to look at... Meanwhile I'm going back to driving my 88 4Runner AKA
the gas hog... I was driving the 85 because it got 10 MPG better than the
V-6.
Anyone else had an injector wire break?
Thanks for the advise...
June Bennett
TLCA 2942
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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 13:28:36 -0500 (EST)
From: Toy4x4s@aol.com
Subject: ARB air line
To: toy4x4@tlca.org
We have been using the air line that ARB supplied since the install in Dec
95. HAve had NO problems with it. the only leak that we've ever had was at
the fitting at the diff. after taking it apart and redoing the ferrule it
sealed fine.
June Bennett
TLCA 2942
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 19:02:35 -0600
From: Stan & Pam Braun Subject: Bio
To: Toy4x4 Stan Braun
Trophy Club, Texas
USA
brauns@sprynet.com
'91 Toyota Reg Cab, short bed pickup
Not a TLCA member.
age:30
Occupation: Senior Systems Eng.
Married
4wheelin, mountain biking, surfin the web
Minnesota Toys 4x4 page
General: Been 4 wheelin (all local stuff - my daily driver is also my
4-wheeler) for about 5 years. Been through several vehicles including:
a '74 Bronco, 2 '85 CJ7's, and an '88 Toyota extra cab 4x4.
My '91 has a 4" Trailmaster lift, 33" all terrain's on 15x8 American
Racing alloy wheels, a grizzly brushguard, Smittybilt double/double
rollbar, Pioneer CD. I'm hoping to add a detroit locker rearend, Tru-
trac up front, and Marlin crawler gears. It's currently at the tranny
shop having the transmission rebuilt so we'll have to see what that sets
me back first.
- --
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- - There's nothing like wheelin in the great outdoors! -
- - brauns@sprynet.com -
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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 21:21:43 -0800
From: "Fernando Aguirre B." Subject: Bio
To: Toy4x4 Personal Bio Info
Name: Fernando Aguirre Baraza
City & State: Antofagasta
Country: Chile
E-mail address: faguirr1@entelchile.net
Toyota (s) year & model: 1990, Hilux crewcabin (pickup)
Are you a TLCA Member (Y/N/Number?): N
Age: 30
Occupation: Geologist
Marital Status: Married
Hobbies: Off the road driving, collection of 4x4 models
How did you find out about the Toyota 4x4 Mailing List: Browsing the Net
General info about your vehicle, self, etc.:
I own a Toyota pickup, crew cabin, Hilux Model powered by 4Y 2.2 lts. engine.
I replace the original tyres by a set of 15"x10,5" steel rims and 31" Mickey thompsom tyres.
I belong to a "off the road Nuts" club named Antofagasta Raid Club an d we usually
raid the Atacama Desert on weekends. I normally ride with my wife as "first mate" and some
time we integrate groups large enough to appear in the Guiness Book of Records (Raid de Ata-
cama, Feb 1997 with over 400 vehicles). Pueden enviarme Email en espanol.
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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 11:12:14 -0500
From: Rick Furnival Subject: Dealer service
To: The Administrator Neil Hunt wrote...
"This whole episode, and the generally poor quality of service I have
received at the local dealers (at outrageous cost, I might add) will
make it a long time before I think about another Toyota."
I have had pretty poor service from Toyota dealers too. I have tried three
different ones, and they all are high-priced, low-knowledge, and many times
rude. In reading about Toyota vehicles in Consumer Reports and other mags,
I see this is fairly common. How about it, list. Is this a common
scenario? If so, why don't they do something about it?
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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 12:08:15 -0800 (PST)
From: Jonathan Albrecht Subject: Dealer service
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
On Sat, 15 Mar 1997, Rick Furnival wrote:> Neil Hunt wrote...>> "This whole episode, and the generally poor quality of service I have> received at the local dealers (at outrageous cost, I might add) will> make it a long time before I think about another Toyota.">> I have had pretty poor service from Toyota dealers too. I have tried three> different ones, and they all are high-priced, low-knowledge, and many times> rude. In reading about Toyota vehicles in Consumer Reports and other mags,> I see this is fairly common. How about it, list. Is this a common> scenario? If so, why don't they do something about it?> Our Toyota dealer (in Juneau, AK) seems pretty nice. Like when I had
that ordeal with the broken spark plugs they fixed it right, and gave me a
discount too. Their actual *performance* as a mechanic doesn't entirely
impress me. You know, like they forget to fill up the drain off tank on
the radiator, or forget to bolt everything back down after they take stuff
apart, or whatever. But this just may be all dealers. when my dad got
the oil changed in his Chevy at the Chevy dealer, they forgot to put the
cap back on (!). Luckilly we always give it a good once over after our
trucks go to the dealer.
Otherwise, they seem to be okay. For instance, I remember one of my
friends who was looking at a Jeep in the toyota dealer's used car lot.
The salesman actually told my friend that this jeep would require
maintanence, and actually *recommended* that my friend keep shopping
around! And this was after the guy spent an hour or so of his time
showing him the jeep!
They also have gone for rides with me to help diagnose problems, spent
time with me out in the lot doing minor tune up stuff, and allowed me to
look at and copy pages out of the toyota manuals for free.
I think that it really depends upon the dealer. Ours is kinda like that
guy at school that's always stoned: sure he's a nice guy, but he's not
all that smart.
Jonathan Albrecht
albr9619@uidaho.edu
http://www.uidaho.edu/~albr9619/
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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 15:46:58 -0500
From: "R. W. 'Butch' Stiles" Subject: Dealer service
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
Rick Furnival wrote:>> Neil Hunt wrote...>> "This whole episode, and the generally poor quality of service I have> received at the local dealers (at outrageous cost, I might add) will> make it a long time before I think about another Toyota.">> I have had pretty poor service from Toyota dealers too. I have tried three> different ones, and they all are high-priced, low-knowledge, and many times> rude. In reading about Toyota vehicles in Consumer Reports and other mags,> I see this is fairly common. How about it, list. Is this a common> scenario? If so, why don't they do something about it?
My experience with Toyota dealers has generally been positive.
They have, on the whole, been knowledgeable, courteous and Expensive.
I must add however, that my vehicles seldom see the inside of a
dealership once I bring them home. The only time I go to a dealer is for
something that I simply cannot do at home, air conditioning, for
instance. I must say that my local dealer, Team Toyota, has always been
very good to me, especially considering that they hardly ever see me !
Butch Stiles
rokitman@erols.com
Just as it says, "Rocket Man"
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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 10:51:31 -0500 (EST)
From: DRM033@aol.com
Subject: deisel
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
In a message dated 97-03-15 01:26:16 EST, you write:>> Naw, not Nissan. They don't have much available and aren't divorced.>> Jonathan Albrecht
Well, I saw one at a used car lot once. Are you sure?
David
DRM033@aol.com
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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 10:47:07 -0500
From: "R. W. 'Butch' Stiles" Subject: deisel
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
Jonathan Albrecht wrote:>>>> Um, the Fords usually have a driver's side output. Doesn't something else>>> use a divorced case though? (like a chevy). I know the samurai's do (and>>> they even have nifty low range kits too), but I'm not sure which side the>>> output is on.>>>> Nissan??? Zuki might be better: low gear options.>> Naw, not Nissan. They don't have much available and aren't divorced.>> Jonathan Albrecht> albr9619@uidaho.edu> http://www.uidaho.edu/~albr9619/
The suzuki has BOTH outputs on the Passenger side, this would cause
problems I think, on a toyota considering the rear diff is in the center
Butch
rokitman@erols.com
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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 09:26:39 -0700
From: nickkrest@batnet.com (Nick Krest)
Subject: Diesel
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
Wilbur M. Yegge wrote:
"...I want an engine swap for my 85.
I was thinking about using a four cylinder
Diesel engine. I've heard of this with some
foreign market Toy's, but never seen one
firsthand...Any Ideas?"
I believe foreign-market Toys use an Isuzu 2.7 litre motor; that would be a
far more appropriate swap than a Peugeot, then a Ford or Suzuki driveline,
IMHO. You should even be able to order the parts from a Toyota counter.
- Nick
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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 02:51:27 -0800
From: Scott Wilson Subject: Digest mode
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
DRM033@aol.com wrote:>> Could I be placed on digest mode?
Probably, if you send your request to as it
says to in those wonderful little e-mails you were sent when you got on
this list. (You know, the ones it seems no one reads?) This is not
directed at you David, I'm just tired of seeing these posts that
shouldn't be. (and it's 3am here so I'm probably just extra cranky)
Scott
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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 10:53:57 -0500 (EST)
From: DRM033@aol.com
Subject: Digest mode
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
In a message dated 97-03-15 05:42:41 EST, you write:>> Probably, if you send your request to as it> says to in those wonderful little e-mails you were sent when you got on> this list. (You know, the ones it seems no one reads?) This is not> directed at you David, I'm just tired of seeing these posts that> shouldn't be. (and it's 3am here so I'm probably just extra cranky)>> Scott> Sorry! I realized my mistake and sent it to the right place( hey, it was
Midnight here-I was a little out of it :)
David
DRM033@aol.com
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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 09:52:44 +0000
From: "Brian D. Swearingen" Subject: exhaust
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
First, I have been really enjoying the discussion on torsion
bars....much of what is being said supports my views on them
completely.
Recently, there was discussion regarding different cat-back exhausts
and their qualities. Unfortunately, all of it surrounded the sound
of the exhaust and not the performance. Personally, I want my truck
as quiet as possible, but also would like the added torque that an
aftermarket exhaust can provide. I do a great deal of towing and
light offroading and am looking for recommendations. What worked the
best for your truck, as far as seat of the pants power increases?
Brian D. Swearingen
Menasha, Wisconsin
woody@vbe.com
'74 FJ40...350, 4-speed, 33"s, rearch, EZ-lock/Auburn,
Scout PS, Warn 8274, "IH8MUD"
'69 FJ40...frame and custom body only right now!
'95 Toyota Pickup...2" lift, 32"s
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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 11:58:27 -0800 (PST)
From: Jonathan Albrecht Subject: exhaust
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org> Recently, there was discussion regarding different cat-back exhausts> and their qualities. Unfortunately, all of it surrounded the sound> of the exhaust and not the performance. Personally, I want my truck> as quiet as possible, but also would like the added torque that an> aftermarket exhaust can provide. I do a great deal of towing and> light offroading and am looking for recommendations. What worked the> best for your truck, as far as seat of the pants power increases?
I think the sound really does add to the 'feeling' of power (IMHO). Not
on the highway, or on the trail, but just when driving around on the road
(like most of us do 90% of the time anyway). But on long drives, a loud
exhaust can get pretty tedious. My experience though, is that as long as
you run stock manifold/cat's even the dual glass-pack style Rancho isn't
that bad all. YMMV of course.
I've tried the Rancho (loud) and the Exhaust Tech (quiet). The exhaust
tech was roughly as loud as the stock exhaust. I did notice a bit more
power, and the ability to hold 5th easier. When I switched over to the
Rancho, I didn't notice much more 'actual' power...but my truck sure
seemed a lot more fun to drive (sporty I guess). But don't go with the
exhaust tech, it's cheesy setup, and I don't like the way it exits below
the springs.
Jonathan Albrecht
albr9619@uidaho.edu
http://www.uidaho.edu/~albr9619/
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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 09:26:41 -0700
From: nickkrest@batnet.com (Nick Krest)
Subject: Front torque rod
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
I'll ask this again: what's the correct center-to-center length for a
factory torque rod (79-83)?
- Nick
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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 23:26:37 -0800 (PST)
From: Chris Geiger Subject: Good Battery?
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
I am suprised that the battery did not tip over out of controll wile they
were testing it.
The fact that Comsumers likes it worrys me a bit.> I believe Interstate got a top rating from Consumer Reports last time> they tested batteries.> Chas> Christopher A. Geiger Voice 805-893-4044
Technical Operations Manager Fax 805-893-8758
UCSB MicroComputer Laboratory http://home1.gte.net/cgeiger/index.html
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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 08:33:16 -0700
From: "Martin E Rubin" Subject: Head Gasket POLL
To: >Anyone want to do a 4x4-list poll of the 88-95 model trucks with the 3VZ-E>engine that have replaced or not replaced their head gaskets?
'94 4Runner - 38k miles - original gaskets
Martin Rubin
mrubin@sprynet.com
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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 09:58:49 -0500 (EST)
From: MLMAINS@aol.com
Subject: Head gasket poll? why not.
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
94 xtra cab 4x4 original head gasket
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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 23:08:41 -0600
From: Steve Capuano Subject: HYPERTECH computer upgrades
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org, toyota@btoy1.rochester.NY.US
Anyone have experience with ECU upgrades by HYPERTECH, especially in
pickups. Read an ad last night in a mag. that said they have applications
for every truck on the road (really?). So I am now curious. Also they are
SEMA approved and have OBD-II compatible stuff. Lets hear it if you know
anything.
Steve C.
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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 19:40:20 -0500
From: Gratz Subject: Ignition cylinder won't turn at all
To: TOY4X4@tlca.org
Anyone have trouble with their ignition key not turning or becoming
stuck. How does one remove the cylinder for replacement? My '89 Toyota
P'up won't start because ignition is frozen. Any help is appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 18:07:03 -0800 (PST)
From: Jonathan Albrecht Subject: Ignition cylinder won't turn at all
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
On Sat, 15 Mar 1997, Gratz wrote:> Anyone have trouble with their ignition key not turning or becoming> stuck. How does one remove the cylinder for replacement? My '89 Toyota> P'up won't start because ignition is frozen. Any help is appreciated.> Thanks in advance.
Wow, never heard of one of those freezing up... Before you go and replace
stuff (this may sound dumb) but have you tried wiggling the steering wheel
while trying to turn the key? I'm unsure if the '89+ trucks have this
feature, but on the older ones anyway this is how it worked (some kinda
anti-theft device I guess..)
If that's not the problem, then try some kinda of lock ease or lock
lubricant.
Jonathan Albrecht
albr9619@uidaho.edu
http://www.uidaho.edu/~albr9619/
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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 13:28:40 -0500 (EST)
From: Toy4x4s@aol.com
Subject: NWOR header
To: toy4x4@tlca.org
Jonathan says:
< Subject: NWOR header
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org> Quoting from my 1995 [NWOR] catalog...> Custom designed for each year with all emmission fittings and O2 sensor> located correctly and welded in place. Not a "Brand 'D' " one header fits> all...>> ... quick ans simple installation... This Header Fits!
Quoting from my 1996 Downey catalog:
"Some header suppliers prefer an endless number of header designs for an
endless number of models. Downey prefers to combine designs whenever
possible and/or practical to keep your cost as low as possible. It's not
too difficult to develop a once-szie-fits-all type Header when the Toyota
engeins are one-size-fits-all.
But Downey also says (in the question as to why they use 16gauge versus 14
gauge steel) "14 gauge is significanlty heavier adding significantly more
vehicle weight. The highest performance vehicles are those with the least
amount of excess baggage. 14 gauge needlessly raises the cost to build,
and the freight charges to ship."
Give me a break! Like the weight difference between 14 and 16 gauge
headers is going to make any difference.
As far as I'm concerned you've really got to read everything these guys
say with a big grain of salt, They also say things like (and I believe
NWOR does too):
"When you crank up stock torsion bars to gain lift, they become pre-loaded
and give a very firm ride. When heavy duty barts are cranked up to the
same ride height, they are not preloaded, and the ride is much softer"
Which isn't true for a number of reasons:
The bars (when supporting the weight of the vehicle) are *always*
pre-loaded. No matter what the size/weight rating of the bar.
When you crank up the ride height, there is shorter moment arm, which
means less weight on the bar, and therefor less pre-load
If there is less weight on the bar, adding a heavier duty bar cannot make
the ride softer. What they are saying is like saying that an add-a-leaf
will make your suspension softer because there is less pre-load on the
spring pack. BS!
But I still think I'd get the NWOR header (over the Downey), because it
uses thicker material and has a lifetime warranty. I'm sure if it made
less power than Downey's, Downey would certainly mention that, but they
don't.
There seems to be a lot of conflicting info between these two
catalogs...it's kinda funny to read them side by side.
Jonathan Albrecht
albr9619@uidaho.edu
http://www.uidaho.edu/~albr9619/
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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 22:03:18 -0800
From: "Jim Poston" Subject: Power antenna
To: toyota@btoy1.rochester.NY.US, Toy4x4@tlca.org
I recently replaced the power antenna mast on my '90 SR5 pickup.
Went in pretty easy. But now it doesn't retract all the way.
My Chilton's says don't worry if it doesn't retract fully, after
running it up and down a few times it will. I can hardly believe
that, and after running it up and down 50 times over a week. It
still isn't going in all the way.
Any suggestions?
And BTW for you off-roaders, how do keep from wrecking your
antenna? Sure, I could turn the radio off, but it's hard to remember
that when you're trying to keep the truck from overturning, or just
battling to keep it on the road.
- -- Jim
poston@intercomm.com>>>> Windows: from the people that brought you EDLIN <<<<------------------------------
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 09:26:44 -0700
From: nickkrest@batnet.com (Nick Krest)
Subject: Rear torque rod
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
Steve Keene wrote:
"When the springs are compressed the axel
moves rearward as the shackle swings back.
What have you done in your designs to allow
for the rear movement of the axel and still
be able to prevent spring wrap? How much
movement would you say you have built into
your design?"
Jack Alford replied:
"I think your logic is a bit flawed, the
axle never really goes rearward more than
when the truck is at rest. The distance
from the front spring hanger to where the
springs are bolted to the axle housing is
a static distance. At some point in the
springs range of compression, as it
becomes negatively arched, it is a hair
shorter but it never really gets any
longer of any significant amount.
"A single attachment point on the top of
the pumpkin can greatly help control axle
wrap but cannot do so without limiting travel."
I agree and disagree with the above statements, but let me explain my position.
Ideally, when a rear axle goes through its travel, it swings thru an arc.
The pivot point would be the front attachment point of the driveshaft to
the transfer case. Of course, Toyota mucked up this ideal-world suspension
by having actual attachment points which alter the arc somewhat. This is
Steve's "rear movement" and Jack's "hair shorter." The movement is very
small, but it is there. I believe that axle wrap presents more of a
fore/aft movement problem than the irregular arc. We simply described the
ideal arc, compensated for a less-than-ideal forward torque rod mounting
position, and spec'd the rod length (which for my truck is 45.5"). Ideal
forward rod mounting position would be at the forward U-joint of the rear
driveshaft, but you can't have everything, at least on a budget.
To answer Steve's question about freeplay compliance, we accomplished that
by using a large-diameter 70-durometer urethane bushing in the front mount,
which will accomplish about 2 mm of deflection, and the existing rotation
of the axle in the rear (axle wrap).
Jack wrote that a single attachment point will limit travel. This is true
in our case (because of the dual divergent forward attachment points: 1)
driveshaft 2) torque rod), but it doesn't because we don't have that much
travel. We've got appoximately 9.5" of travel - we sit about 3.5" into the
stroke (6" compression, 3.5" extension) - so the travel in our case is not
affected. If we were running a compound long-travel suspension, then yes,
the single-rod torque rod would take away some travel. An ideal axle-wrap
solution in that case would be a 3-link or 4-link suspension, but we would
have already eliminated most of our problems in the first place by
eliminating the leafs!
It's an old Toyota truck with leaf springs. A single-rod torque rod was the
most cost-effective solution to maintain travel and articulation while
eliminating 90% of the axle wrap. I feel it's a far more viable solution
than ladder bars, kicker shocks, those traction bar thingies that attach to
your leafs, etc. Here is the construction:
______________________________________________________________
O|______________________________________________________________|-O
At the forward attachment point we have a tube with the aforementioned
urethane bushings mounted in a tube which we welded perpendicular to the
main torque rod. The torque rod is 1.5" chromoly steel (roll bar material).
At the opposite end is a nut welded on the end of the tube which accepts a
large spherical rod end.
Bolts run thru either end to a U-shaped mounting plate. The front mounting
point assures more-or-less vertical operation, while the rod end at the
rear allows for axle articulation.
I'd like to see Jay's design, though. He's always something of an
innovator. And how about the rest of you? How do you control axle wrap?
- Nick
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
\ 1981 Toyota 4WD SR5 Pickup Bone-stock 22R motor 5-speed transmission /
/ 4.88 gears Detroit TrueTrac front Detroit Locker rear \
\ 3" Downey front springs 2 9" Doetsch-Tech MV-12's per front wheel /
/ 3" Rancho rear springs 2 10" Doetsch-Tech MV-12's per rear wheel \
\ 33x12.50-15 Bridgestone Dueler AT's or 33x12.50-15 Goodyear Wrangler HT's /
/ Hella 500 front fog lights Hella H-4 headlights Hella FF backup light \
\ Smittybilt front bumper, rear bumper, nerf bars, and in-cab roll cage /
/ 14 gallon auxiliary gas tank Brahma shell No chrome whatsoever \
\ Momo wheel Cerullo seats TRW/Sabelt 4-point belts TLCA ID #5301 /
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
also...
1993 Mazda Miata 1993 Honda XR150R 1987 Guerciotti
1995 KTM 550 MXC 1995 KTM 660 Dakar Rallye 1997 KTM 300 EXC
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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 10:00:08 -0700
From: nickkrest@batnet.com (Nick Krest)
Subject: Rear torque rod
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
I should have added when going through all my theoretical drivel, that when
Toyota "mucked up" the ideal suspension arc by adding actual suspension
mounting points, the arc is changed to a much smaller one, which pivots
around the fixed (forward) leaf spring bolt.
However, because there is no suitable attachment point for a torque rod
that would emulate the arc of the leaf spring, eliminate axle wrap, give
appropriate under-vehicle clearances, and allow full travel, we decided to
go with the theoretical "ideal" arc nearer the front u-joint. It's a
compromise, yes, but it was the one with what we feel is the least amount
of downsides.
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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 12:19:25 -0800 (PST)
From: Jonathan Albrecht Subject: Rear torque rod
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
On Sat, 15 Mar 1997, Nick Krest wrote:> I should have added when going through all my theoretical drivel, that when> Toyota "mucked up" the ideal suspension arc by adding actual suspension> mounting points, the arc is changed to a much smaller one, which pivots> around the fixed (forward) leaf spring bolt.>> However, because there is no suitable attachment point for a torque rod> that would emulate the arc of the leaf spring, eliminate axle wrap, give> appropriate under-vehicle clearances, and allow full travel, we decided to> go with the theoretical "ideal" arc nearer the front u-joint. It's a> compromise, yes, but it was the one with what we feel is the least amount
> of downsides.
There was a discussion similar to this on the Offroad digest, and there
were several ideas mentioned. The one I liked the best was to have a
bar/bracket solidly attached to the rear axle, and on the other end of the
bar to have a shackle--one end attached to the bar, the other end attached
solidly to the frame.
The idea would be to assume that the rear suspension travel does go
through an arc (like Nick's idea), but to use a shackle that runs
perpendicular to the force that's exerted on the bar when the axle
rotates. The advantage of this, is that it would virtually eliminate axle
wrap, but since there is a shackle on one end, it wouldn't limit travel at
all.
I know there were some great pictures (ascii) that people made on the
offroad list, if somebody still has them, you might want to post 'em...(I
don't feel like drawing any ascii stuff right now.)
Jonathan Albrecht
albr9619@uidaho.edu
http://www.uidaho.edu/~albr9619/
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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 97 18:21:28 UT
From: "Gelina B Haus" Subject: Recommendations
To: "Toyota 4x4 Digest" Greeting all!
I'd like to post my first letter to the Digest and open up a HUGE can of worms
by soliciting your recommendations/opinions concerning my pending purchase.
My wife and I are looking to unload our '91 Trooper in favor of one of the
following: '94-'95 4Runner SR5 or '94-'95 extended cab 4x4 SR5 pickup. We
have a '92 2WD Toyota pickup that we have been most pleased with and would
like to replace the Trooper with something equally trustworthy. We do a lot
of camping/biking/sailing/kayaking/traveling and need a vehicle that can keep
up with us. We don't off-road too much, the 4x4 is mostly needed for winter
travel and some fire roads. The reason we're looking at the '94's and '95's
is purely economic. My thought on getting the extended cab is that we can put
a topper on it and have truck very similar to a 4Runner for almost half the
money. It's just the two of us, so I don't really care how comfortable the
back seat is. There's a considerable price difference between the two and I'm
wondering if it's worth it to pop for the 4Runner?
Your thoughts/opinions/recommendations on this purchase would be greatly
appreciated. I don't want to start a huge debate over the merits of said
vehicles, but would be very interested in your input prior to laying out some
hard earned cash.
Thanks in advance for your help.
David Haus
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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 23:16:05 -0800 (PST)
From: Chris Geiger Subject: Recommendations
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org>> My wife and I are looking to unload our '91 Trooper in favor of one of the> following: '94-'95 4Runner SR5 or '94-'95 extended cab 4x4 SR5 pickup. We> have a '92 2WD Toyota pickup that we have been most pleased with and would> like to replace the Trooper with something equally trustworthy. We do a lot
I first bought a 93 short cab pick up and I loved it but my wift said she
hated not having seets that go back so she can lay down on the way. I
personaly think the wheelbase of 103" on the 4Runner and short cab pick up
is just right for off road and I don't like the wheel base on the extended
cab (it's just to long). So I ended up selling the truck and buying
4Runner. And I would sell that in a minute if Toyota would just sell us
the same dual cab 4door short bed pickup with solid front end that they
sell the rest of the world.> Christopher A. Geiger Voice 805-893-4044
Technical Operations Manager Fax 805-893-8758
UCSB MicroComputer Laboratory http://home1.gte.net/cgeiger/index.html
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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 09:26:51 -0700
From: nickkrest@batnet.com (Nick Krest)
Subject: Spring Shackles
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
somebody wrote:
"(once) you have added extended shackles,
you will find that when you remove them,
your truck will sag worse than ever
because you have put more stress on the
springs."
To which I must ask, why would you want to remove them?
Also, I feel that springs are a replaceable commodity. After a few years or
a bunch of miles, they're sacked out. I've gone thru 6 sets on my truck
(about 60k miles per set). I don't believe in "re-arching" or anything else
like that.
- Nick
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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 09:31:52 -0800
From: rmurray@gvn.net (Rick Murray)
Subject: Too cold to work ?
To: TOY4X4@TLCA.ORG
June Bennett (former Californian ?) wrote :>88 4Runner, 132k, original gaskets, but leaky valve cover gaskets...>I just wish it would get warm so i can do some of this work...
You should move back here. Today is 71 degrees, partly cloudy, no wind ;-)
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Rick Murray 84 Toyota 4Runner SR5
( rmurray@gvn.net ) stock 22R motor ; 3" ProComp Lift
Rancho Cordova, Ca. 8" steel rims; 33" BFG M/Ts
www.gvn.net/~rmurray/ 4.88 gears; Marlin TCase #67 ; TRD LSD
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 20:02:01 -0500
From: "mberube" To: Hi,
Please remove my name to post list , I want receive information only about
LandCruiser
Thank you
Mike,
Courrier E-Mail : mberube@quebectel.com
Page Web : http://www.quebectel.com/gt/usagers/mberube/index.htm
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