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Publish date: Mar 6, 1997
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Source: Off-Road.com

Toy4x4 Digest Thu, 6 Mar 97 00:30:03 (HST) Volume 1 : Issue 90
Today's Topics:
'83 model question
'91 Runner Questions (2 msgs)
1989 Head Gasket Problems?
4-door pickups (3 msgs)
4runner (3 msgs)
5-speed trannies
83' model question
91 'Runner Info
ARB air compressor
AUTOMATIC REPLY
Bed Rust (3 msgs)
Bio (3 msgs)
Clutch problem
Clutch problems (2 msgs)
death wheelin' (5 msgs)
Dreams Can come true (2 msgs)
Front axle
fuel injected 81? (4 msgs)
Installed new R&P
John Skaggs (2 msgs)
looking for mid 80's 4X4 (2 msgs)
mid-engine mount
More thoughts on stuff
O2 sensor
Parts
Pilot bearing
Pilot Bushing
Rotating Front Axle
Subject: death wheelin'
Suspension throw (4 msgs)
Thieves (5 msgs)
Toy4x4 Digest V1 #88
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Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 07:20:58 +0000
From: "Mike Williams" Subject: '83 model question
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
On 5 Mar 97 , Tim Jackson wrote:> The 83 SR5 has wing windows, tach, volt, oil pressure guage, and a 5 Speed.
Tim, just a note of correction, the SR5 can have either one piece
side windows or have a vent window. The rear window on the SR5 can
either be a slider or a one piece window also. The rest of your info
is correct, you even caught me. I stated that the SR5 had an
ampmeter, but you are correct it is a voltmeter (guess I better
get my truck put back together and look at it closer).
Mike Williams
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mwill@ctos.com
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Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 12:45:13 -8 GMT
From: "Leo G. Divinagracia III" Subject: '91 Runner Questions
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
From: Michael Pluimer >1) It had a "ticking" noise that varied with engine RPM. The fan was>off.>I think the noise was coming from the engine, but couldn't hear anything>unusual when I popped the hood. The head gasket was recently>replaced (suprise!) -- don't know if that has anything to do with it.
the ticking noise is the timebomb that's about to go off telling you that
the head gasket is blown... oops, too late. 8-))
but seriously, this is the fuel injectors/injection that's making this
noise. put your ear closer to the intake manifold area and you can
pinpoint the noise coming from it. i too, brought to up to my local toy
service dealer and they did comfirm this. and yes, the noise it normal.
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Leo G. Divinagracia III
ldivinag@csuhayward.edu
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Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 15:19:06 -0800 (PST)
From: Jonathan Albrecht Subject: '91 Runner Questions
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org> I have a question concerning a 1991 4Runner I am considering> purchasing. It is a 5 spd. SR5 with the 3.0 V6. It has 110,000 miles. I am> not too knowledgable in the mechanical area (part of my reason for> suscribing to the list -- I want to learn!) Anyway, I drove this vehicle and> a couple of things concerned me, but I don't know if they are anything to> worry about:>> 2) It has a new clutch, but still seemed difficult to get into first and> reverse at times -- had to grind the gears a little, but not all the time.
You may just need to adjust the pedal height/master cylinder. It's very
easy to do, but you have to be careful not to over-adjust it (because then
the throwout bearing will constantly spin, and hence wear out really,
really fast). If it's an aftermarket clutch, you may need to modify the
clutch pedal bump stop. I had to do that on my p/u.> 3) Any sure-fire ways to check it its been in a wreck?
Look real close at the paint. If you see any differences in color (from
one panel to another), then it's possible. Also look for some symetry in
the way everything is worn, ie, the left inside fender should be about as
dirty/wiped out as the right one, ect. Also, look at the hood 'prop up
stick' thing-a-ma-jig (that thing that you use to prop up your hood). The
plastic clips that it clips into are not painted factory (that I know
of). If it's had any painting done on the front end, they almost always
paint these plastic clips too.
Good luck,
Jonathan Albrecht
albr9619@uidaho.edu
http://www.uidaho.edu/~albr9619/
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Date: Wed, 05 Mar 97 13:17:00 CST
From: Rogers_Jared Subject: 1989 Head Gasket Problems?
To: Toyota4x4 , Toyota My 1989 4x4 V6 truck is on it's original head gasket at 102k miles, however
the newer models - 1991 and later - seem to be blowing head gaskets like
crazy. (My own 1991 4runner blew the head gasket at about 65k miles) Does
anyone know if the head gasket problem is isolated to specific years? Does
anyone know if it's been a problem on the 1989 models in particular?
Jared Rogers
1989 Toyota 4x4 DX X-CAB V6
1990 Toyota Celica GT-S
1991 Toyota 4runner SR5 4WD V6
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Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 08:21:14 -0700
From: nickkrest@batnet.com (Nick Krest)
Subject: 4-door pickups
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
Rick Furnival wrote:
"...there are a few 4-door pickup owners
on the list. I saw a picture of one of
those trucks once, but I've never seen
one IRL. I'm interested in possibly
getting one of these vehicles. Are they
still made? Where does one find info
regarding them?"
They are currently available everywhere except the US and Canada. They have
2.7l diesel motors (usually) and solid front axles (always). Toyota
Gibraltar Stockings, LTD., keeps them in stock for the UN and other
organizations. The easiest way to get one, IMHO, would be to purchase one
in Central or South America and try to import it that way. It is not
allowed (by Toyota USA) to import one directly to the US or Canada. For
more info, try finding Toyota Gibraltar Stockings' website on the internet.
- Nick
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Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 10:36:43 -0600
From: Jack Alford Subject: 4-door pickups
To: toy4x4@tlca.org
Rick Furnival wrote:> "...there are a few 4-door pickup owners> on the list. I saw a picture of one of> those trucks once, but I've never seen> one IRL. I'm interested in possibly> getting one of these vehicles. Are they> still made? Where does one find info> regarding them?"
Toyota refers to them as Double-Cabs, I was recently looking at
an Austrailan 4WD magazine called 'Overlander' and it had an
article testing all of the Double-Cabs made I believe. Oddly
enough, almost all the major auto-manufacturers had a Double-cab
very, short bed truck. I think the article tested a Toyota,
Isuzu, Mazda, Ford, and a Nissan I think it was.
Toyota sells these trucks most everywhere, except North America.
And these trucks have solid-front axles too. I think I'd
probably visit Iceland and try and buy one from there as *I'd* think
It'd be easier to get a vehicle from there to the USA than
from Australia or some third-world South American country.
I think Jack Conrad said he brought his vehicle from there, though
he may have been with the military at the time and they seem to
be able to move vehicles around with them.
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jalford@off-road.com http://www.off-road.com/
Decatur, AL
'86 Xcab Toyota Pickup - 33x12.50 BFG MT
Solid Front Axle - Marlin Crawler - ARB's - 4.88's
SFWDA - TLCA #3415 - Rocket City Rock Crawlers
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Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1997 09:54:51 +1100
From: juhapekka.sarimaa@a1.cbr.hhcs.gov.au
Subject: 4-door pickups
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
From: NAME: Juha Sarimaa
FUNC: Information Services
TEL: 289 8045 To: NAME: ==> Rick wrote:> Are they still made?
They are definitely still made, they are a very popular truck here in
Australia. In the early 90's the Dual cab Hilux really took off, I wanted
one bad but the prices were way too high then.>Where does one find info regarding them?
In the US I wouldn't know. I know a bit about them, what do you want to know
? A good friend of mine had a '90 4 door pickup, it was a 2.8 Diesel and
came with a limited slip rear standard.
Juha.
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Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 19:18:46 -0500
From: Keith Campbell Subject: 4runner
To: >Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 18:16:37>To: Rogers_Jared >From: Keith Campbell >Subject: Re: 4runner>>>I had the same exact service done to my '91 4runner. The A/C quit cooling and>>it was the expansion valve. Also, my head gasket blew at about 65k miles and>>Toyota replaced it for free. Has yours blown out yet? It must just be a bad>>batch of gaskets because my '89 V6 4x4 is at 102k with the original head>>gasket.>>>>Regards,>>Jared Rogers>>1989 Toyota 4x4 DX X-CAB V6>>1990 Toyota Celica GT-S>>1991 Toyota 4runner SR5 4WD V6>>>>> You know, I should have posted how many miles are on my truck
(88K). And as I am the 3rd owner with not a shred of documentation from the
former owners, I'm kind of in the dark as to the previous repair history. I
wonder if Toyota tracks the VIN numbers of the trucks that they repair the
head gasket on? Probably worth a call in to Toyota to find out. My truck
was in OK shape, but it was in need of a little TLC. One other note, the
dealer did tell me that a couple of the of the 'Runners were on the lot a
month or so waiting for the repair kit to arrive.> "Si vis pacem, para bellum"
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Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 15:37:17 -0800 (PST)
From: Chris Geiger Subject: 4runner
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org> wonder if Toyota tracks the VIN numbers of the trucks that they repair the> head gasket on? Probably worth a call in to Toyota to find out. My truck
Yes they do keep a history on all recall repairs. I purchased a camery for
my wife and took it to the dealer and they had a list of 4 different
recall repairs that were done on the car including the date and dealer
that performed the work. All of the work was done out of state but the
dealer was still able to pull it up while I waited in the shop.
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Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 22:21:31 -0500
From: WartHog Subject: 4runner
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
Keith Campbell wrote:>>>Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 18:16:37>>To: Rogers_Jared >>From: Keith Campbell >>Subject: Re: 4runner>>>>>>> You know, I should have posted how many miles are on my truck> (88K). And as I am the 3rd owner with not a shred of documentation from the> former owners, I'm kind of in the dark as to the previous repair history. I> wonder if Toyota
I think they would have records as it was probably done under warrenty.
Whether
Toyota will / can pull them from the data base is another question.
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Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 08:59:33 -0800
From: Eric Johnson Subject: 5-speed trannies
To: "'Toy4x4@tlca.org'" Rick Murray wrote:> How do I determine which transmission I have ? Can you tell from the VIN ?> Is it stamped on the tranny itself ? Or do all 1984 models have the same ?
Check you C/TR/A/TM code either on a plate on your firewall, or on a plate in your door jamb.
C= Color (this is your paint code for getting touchup paint)
TR= Trim (I've not decoded this very far...)
A = axle code : Decode it at www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota/4runner.html - Axles
TM = Transmission Code. This is your tranny type.
I've got gear ratios and other transmission info on the 4Runner pages at
http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota/4runner.html
Click on "Toyota Engines and Transmissions" for some tranny information.
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Date: Wed, 05 Mar 97 09:17:00 PST
From: "Baltzly, Mike R." Subject: 83' model question
To: "'Toy4x4@tlca.org'" Tim Jackson wrote:
"I have an 83' 4x4 and It had a dash pad
with vents for the side windows. Does my
truck have an SR5 package or is thier
another name for it?"
As far as the vent windows, when I ordered my truck in 1985 one of the
options I chose was the vent windows. Mine is just a Deluxe, so the vent
windows were probably an option for both the SR5 and the Deluxe. I seem
to recall that they came in a package with something else like the
sliding rear window.
Mike
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Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 14:48:54 -0500
From: Keith Campbell Subject: 91 'Runner Info
To: toy4x4@tlca.org
I have a 91 'Runner. Yesterday I took it into the Toyota Dealership
(Arlington Toyota, in Jacksonville, FL) for service on the Air Conditioner
(No COOL AIR). Turns out that the expansion valve had failed, and even
better for me, was covered under a recall. The Dealer replaced the
expansion valve and recharged the system under warranty. Oh what a feeling!
There were also several 91 'Runners in for the blown Head Gasket
Syndrome. The dealer informed me that ALL 91's are afflicted with this
syndrome and that Toyota would cover it under warranty for 8 years or
100,000, although there was a 'Runner in @ 107K and they went ahead and
covered him, as well. Toyota will replace the head gaskets and the engine
block if it is necessary. There was a block with only 46K on it that the
pitting was so bad on the top surface that they replaced the block also.
The failure point is at cylinders 1 or 6 closest to the outside edge of the
block. First indications of failure are a loss of power, overheating, and
possibly smoke in the exhaust. Head Gasket replacement cost runs around
$1000.00.
I purchased my 'Runner XMAS Eve '96 and I've really learned a lot by
reading this list. I am curious if anyone knows of any other recalls on my
truck other than these two (Expansion Valve & Headgasket). I am also
interested in some mild performance/mpg mods, probably a K&N Filter (They
Rule) and some exhaust mods. Also a winch is going to be in my very near
future. Later
Keith
"Si vis pacem, para bellum"
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Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 10:09:25 -0600
From: Jack Alford Subject: ARB air compressor
To: toy4x4@tlca.org> Does anyone have experiance making an ARB compressor fill tires>faster? I am looking for the best ideas on running a secondary storage>tank. Has anyone changed the pressure switch to a higher capasity switch>and does that help any? I shouldn't complain, afterall I do have a locker>and in a pinch I have onboard air, slow as a snail, but its air.
First of all the ARB air compressor is not rate for such continuous
use, as continually filling a fair sized tank and you would quickly burn
it up under hard use.
Secondly, if you were to use a higher capacity (psi) switch to tell the
compressor when to cut off you'd probably blow the seals in the air locker
out fairly quickly.
I'd recommend either getting a Quick-Air compressor or mounting
up a couple of Caddy level-ride compressors, the caddy compressors
aren't much faster than the ARB one but much cheaper $10 that I paid
for mine than the $180 I paid for my ARB compressor ...
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Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 05:26:38 -0700 (MST)
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Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 08:21:17 -0700
From: nickkrest@batnet.com (Nick Krest)
Subject: Bed Rust
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
Mike Williams wrote:
"...the beds were painted and installed
on the trucks in Toyota's Freemont (I
believe it is Freemont) California plant."
Impossible, because Toyota didn't take over half-ownership of GM's Fremont
plant (now called NUMMI - New United Motor Manufacturing, Inc.) until the
late 80's (I believe '88). More likely, they were assembled wherever they
build Camrys - somewhere in Ohio or something, or maybe just at the docks
at San Pedro, California.
- Nick
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Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 09:28:55 -0800
From: Eric Johnson Subject: Bed Rust
To: "'Toy4x4@tlca.org'" Nick Krest wrote:> Mike Williams wrote:>> "...the beds were painted and installed> on the trucks in Toyota's Freemont (I> believe it is Freemont) California plant.">> Impossible, because Toyota didn't take over half-ownership of GM's
Fremont> plant (now called NUMMI - New United Motor Manufacturing, Inc.) until the> late 80's (I believe '88). More likely, they were assembled wherever they> build Camrys - somewhere in Ohio or something, or maybe just at the docks> at San Pedro, California.
No, Toyota and GM formed NUMMI in 1983. It was mainly a stamping and
assembly operation. At first, they primarily made the Chevy Nova (the US
version of the Toyota Sprinter. Later they built Corolla FX. My sources
don't mention truck bed-making, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if that
was done there too.
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Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 18:45:37 +0000
From: "Mike Williams" Subject: Bed Rust
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
On 5 Mar 97 , Nick Krest wrote:> Mike Williams wrote:> "...the beds were painted and installed> on the trucks in Toyota's Freemont (I> believe it is Freemont) California plant.">> Impossible, because Toyota didn't take over half-ownership of GM's Fremont> plant (now called NUMMI - New United Motor Manufacturing, Inc.) until the> late 80's (I believe '88). More likely, they were assembled wherever they> build Camrys - somewhere in Ohio or something, or maybe just at the docks> at San Pedro, California.
Nick, I don't disagree with your information. Years ago, I
happened to read an article about the rusting truck beds. It seems
at one time a suit was trying to be brought against Toyota and
another manufacturer for the rusting beds. The suit was never given
merit and fell through. Anyway, I definately remember that the
article stated Toyota assembled the trucks and their beds in a
California location to avoid the heavy tax.
I could not remember the name of the location in my post; the only
locale that came to mind was Fremont (that is why I enclosed the
note about Fremont in parenthesis).
I think your idea of the dock area makes more sense. Because Toyota
would not need a manufacturing plant to put trucks and beds together,
just an assembly location.
In a side note to the trucks, am I correct to understand that the
Tacoma is completely assembled in the US. Quite a change of events
in 18 years.
Mike Williams
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mwill@ctos.com
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Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 06:38:29 -0600 (CST)
From: Rock Tuchek Subject: Bio
To: Toy4x4 At 06:57 PM 3/4/97 -1000, you wrote:>Personal Bio Info>>POST TO THE LIST ONLY>> toy4x4@tlca.org>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++>>Name:Rock Tuchek>>City & State:Ridgeway, IA>>Country:USA>>E-mail address:newt@salamander.com>>Toyota (s) year & model:1994 4x4 pickup xtra cab>>Are you a TLCA Member (Y/N/Number?):N>>Age:32>>Occupation:Insurance Marketing / Service>>Marital Status:married>>Hobbies:anything outdoors>>How did you find out about the Toyota 4x4 Mailing List:happened across it
while surfing for toyota information>>General info about your vehicle, self, etc.:my truck is 1994 xtra cab, v6,
automatic, air, cruise, tilt. It currently has 55,000 miles on it. It has
auto locking front hubs. I enjoy the truck tremendously but have
reservations about its' performance in the fuel consumption category. I
bought the truck a year and a half ago when it had 23,000 miles on it. It
has'nt missed a beat and I have, at times, put it through its' paces. I
spend a lot of time in it, just driving around in the country.>>> ------------------------------
Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 13:41:46 -0600
From: Lonnie Subject: Bio
To: Toy4x4 At 07:40 PM 2/27/97 -1000, you wrote:
Personal Bio Info
POST TO THE LIST ONLY>> toy4x4@tlca.org
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Name: Lonnie Stapp
City & State: Riverside MO
Country: US
E-mail address: lonnie@softdesk.com
Toyota (s) year & model: 88 Pickup
Are you a TLCA Member (Y/N/Number?): n
Age: 32
Occupation: Network and telecomm
Marital Status: divorced
Hobbies: hunting, fishing, camping, 4x, etc.
How did you find out about the Toyota 4x4 Mailing List: web search for 4x4
General info about your vehicle, self, etc.: Currently the truck is pretty
much bone stock. BUT, a buddy of mine to me crawling with him. Now I've got
the bug.
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Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 22:11:44 -0500
From: WartHog Subject: Bio
To: Toy4x4 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Name: Mark
City & State: Ravenna, Ohio
Country: U.S.A.
E-mail address: rheschel@phoenix.kent.edu ( mail forwarded through this
account )
Toyota (s) year & model: 95 4wd PU, 93 Paseo
Are you a TLCA Member (Y/N/Number?): No
Age: 38
Occupation: AIrcraft Mechanic
Marital Status: Ball and Chain ( really a Feather and String ;) )
Hobbies: 82 920 Virago, Reading, a little Archery and hand gun target /
plinking,
The Net.
How did you find out about the Toyota 4x4 Mailing List: A roundabout
way.
General info about your vehicle, self, etc.:
I have a Bone Stock standard body 95 22RE 5 speed Toy 4WD Pick Up. By
necessity, all mods have to be "Toyota sanctioned" to keep the warrenty
vallid. Another 4 years or 60K miles. Any and all suggestions welcome.
Other Vehicles are: 77 Linc Versailes (sp?) bought for parts
(351 windsor, 9" rear with disks ), a 77 Mustang that can't be operated
on the road
for another 5 years ( E-Check, buggers want everything stock. In 5 years
I ought to
have the R code headed Cleveland ready. ) and the Virago thats just too
much fun.
WartHog
All mail is forwarded through a really permanent address:
rheschel@phoenix.kent.edu
Ahhh ... Enjoying the benefits of my wife's employment.
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Date: Wed, 5 Mar 97 11:26 PST
From: Robert.Elsemore@ncal.kaiperm.org
Subject: Clutch problem
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
Michael,
I don't envy you having to do all of that tranny R&R for what
seems like nothing. I do have a couple of suggestions though.
Pilot Bearing: An easy removal trick is to pump grease into the
the pocket area behind the bearing until the area is completely
full. Then take a shaft of some sort that is the same OD as the
pilot shaft (I believe I used a Craftman 3/8" extension) and quickly
tap the shaft in through the hole in the bearing. The hydraulic force
of the grease forces the bearing (or bushing too) right out!
As for bleeding the hydraulics, I think the $35-$50 spent for a vacuum
bleeder is well worth it. I work in the garage late at night and
usually can't find anyone to help bleed the brakes, clutch etc., but
you can bleed all by yourself with one of those vacuum bleeders. I can
just imagine the self bleeding jokes going through your head now.
What next...oh, the clutch master and slave. Easy rebuild for under
$10 I guess if you have to by a hone ($10) and that assembly gook
($3) the cost could be near $25, but that's still cheaper than a rebuilt
isn't is? And you get the satisfaction of building it yourself :)
- -Rob Elsemore, 85 4Runner ------------------------------
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 10:09:18 -0600
From: Jack Alford Subject: Clutch problems
To: toy4x4@tlca.org> Well, as I stated last week, Sat. was the day to replace>Mr. Clutch as my pedal travel had quickly evaporated down to>almost nil.> Pulled the tranny and inspected.....hmmmmm...clutch plate>looks ok.....everything seemed ok. Pilot bearing was shot (IMHO, that>is). Bought another for $10, but couldn't get the old one out!!!!
You don't necessarily have to have a pilot bearing puller to get
the pilot bearing out, I've done several clutch jobs and never used
one. Here's how I did it:
First, I found a deep well socket with an O.D. slightly smaller than the hole
through the pilot bearing. I then filled the inside of the socket with duct
tape
and also wrapped the outside of the socket with duct tape, so that the
socket just fits snugly into the bearing. I then filled the void in the end
of the crankshaft behind the pilot bearing with some cheap wheel bearing
grease.I placed the socket into the pilot bearing hole and hit the end of
the socket firmly with a hammer until I felt the socket hit the crankshaft.
Each time I hit the socket with the hammer, the hydraulic action of the
displacement of the thick bearing grease pushed the pilot bearing outward a
bit. Once the socket hit the crankshaft, I removed the socket and refilled the
void behind the pilot bearing. I repeated this process until the pilot
bearing was free.
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Jack Alford Off-Road.com - The best dirt on the net!
jalford@off-road.com http://www.off-road.com/
Decatur, AL
'86 Xcab Toyota Pickup - 33x12.50 BFG MT
Solid Front Axle - Marlin Crawler - ARB's - 4.88's
SFWDA - TLCA #3415 - Rocket City Rock Crawlers
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Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 16:00:20 -0800 (PST)
From: Jonathan Albrecht Subject: Clutch problems
To: mmichael@wsunix.wsu.edu, Toy4x4@tlca.org
On Tue, 4 Mar 1997, Michael L Martin wrote:> Well, as I stated last week, Sat. was the day to replace> Mr. Clutch as my pedal travel had quickly evaporated down to> almost nil.> Pulled the tranny and inspected.....hmmmmm...clutch plate> looks ok.....everything seemed ok. Pilot bearing was shot (IMHO, that> is). Bought another for $10, but couldn't get the old one out!!!!
This is a PITA without a puller. We got ours out by taking a socket and
wrapping it with tape until it was a real tight fit (in the pilot bearing
hole). Then, packed the whole with grease, and put the socket in there.
Next, hit it with a hammer a few times, then pack some more grease in
there...ect. Eventually it does come out. They sell/rent pullers too.> Three of us all tried our best for the better part of an hour to get> that puppy out. No luck. Finally figured, "Screw it." Put the new> clutch in regardless. No go. Everthing worked just as it had before.> Very little pressure from the pedal and have to pump to get into Rev.> Sometimes a minor grind into 1st or 2nd. Am thinking hydraulics.> Didn't bleed the system. Would like to if I can find the time> and help. Heard there is an adjustment for the pedal, but wasn't sure> on the logistics involved....any comments/ideas would be appreciated.> Also figure the slave cylinder is possibly shot, but that's out of> reach right now as my wallet is doing a ghost-town impression.
Sounds like you need to bleed the system...hey, you're in Pullman? I'm
like 5 miles away in Moscow. If you need some help, give me a call (208)
885-8112.> No travel in Pullman, WA..........> M.> mmichael@wsunix.wsu.edu
Jonathan Albrecht
albr9619@uidaho.edu
http://www.uidaho.edu/~albr9619/
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Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 08:28:20 -0500
From: John Skaggs Subject: death wheelin'
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
Hey Jen,
Tell that mechanic to turn OFF!! sixty-minutes, and go out and have some fun.
Three inches of lift is not very high. You do have to give respect to the
fact that you are not a ground hugging corvette, but give me a break!! Mr. Mechanic I personally would not be a wheeler if there wasn't some adrenalin involved in our activity.
(rant mode off) but those people that try to limit everything fun really pi$$ meoff. But that another disscusion.
John Skaggs
TLCA # waiting
John.Skaggs@cle.ab.com
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Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 08:21:22 -0700
From: nickkrest@batnet.com (Nick Krest)
Subject: death wheelin'
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
Jen Gibson wrote:
"...he told me "NEVER take it off road up
canyons and NEVER take it to Moab you will
die!!!" His reasoning for this was that
it's top heavy and I tip or roll very easy,
too easy. True, my truck is tall (3 inch
lift & 33x10's) but I allready have done a
lot of hard wheelin' and I'm still here-
what I wanna know is if this guy is full
of crap or have i just been really lucky
this whole time?? I don't agree with him
but I'd like to know what you guys all think!"
Jen -
Number one, you rule. Number two, the guy is 90% filled with crap. Because
of their relatively narrow width, Toyotas can be made to roll, but I've
never rolled mine in 16 years (but I have rolled an F-150 and a full-size
Blazer, and a Baja Bug several times, and a Pontiac Grand Prix, too, but
that's another story). What's important is to keep your center of gravity
as low as possible, and keep your track width proportionate to your height.
It sounds like you've already done that, so be careful and have fun.
- Nick
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Date: 5 Mar 1997 08:46:30 -0700
From: "Jay Kopycinski" Subject: death wheelin'
To: "Toyota 4x4 List" Subject: Time: 8:18 AM
OFFICE MEMO death wheelin' Date: 3/5/97
Don wrote:>Anyway, he told me "NEVER take it off road up canyons and NEVER take it>to Moab you will die!!!" His reasoning for this was that it's top heavy and>I tip or roll very easy, too easy. True, my truck is tall (3 inch lift &
33x10's)>but I allready have done a lot of hard wheelin' and I'm still here- what I
wanna
know is if this guy is full of crap or have i just been really lucky this
whole
time?? I don't agree with him but I'd like to know what you guys all think!
Jen...........this sounds so ridiculous I almost wonder if it is flame bait.
Tell
the guy to stick to driving his Neon and leave the fourwheeling to you.
I do guess if he's right though that plenty of us Toyota drivers are damn
lucky that we don't just roll over all the time.
Like anything......each vehicle has its limits along with those of the driver.
Exceed those limits and you can roll any vehicle. Toyotas tend to actually
be more stable than say J**ps in many situations due to the longer wheelbase.
Have fun.......play safe........and be your own sane judge of your limits.
_____________________________________________
Jay Kopycinski '85 Toylet (ROKTOY)
Gilbert, AZ
ryna10@email.sps.mot.com
http://www.netzone.com/~jayk
Arizona Lo-Rangers 4WD Club TLCA #3243
_____________________________________________
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Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 18:13:18 -0600
From: Steve Capuano Subject: death wheelin'
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
DAMN have to stay away from Rollie when he is on the driver's seat. At 08:21 AM 3/5/97 -0700, you wrote:>Jen Gibson wrote:>> "...he told me "NEVER take it off road up> canyons and NEVER take it to Moab you will> die!!!" His reasoning for this was that> it's top heavy and I tip or roll very easy,> too easy. True, my truck is tall (3 inch> lift & 33x10's) but I allready have done a> lot of hard wheelin' and I'm still here-> what I wanna know is if this guy is full> of crap or have i just been really lucky> this whole time?? I don't agree with him> but I'd like to know what you guys all think!">>Jen ->>Number one, you rule. Number two, the guy is 90% filled with crap. Because>of their relatively narrow width, Toyotas can be made to roll, but I've>never rolled mine in 16 years (but I have rolled an F-150 and a full-size>Blazer, and a Baja Bug several times, and a Pontiac Grand Prix, too, but>that's another story). What's important is to keep your center of gravity>as low as possible, and keep your track width proportionate to your height.>It sounds like you've already done that, so be careful and have fun.>> - Nick>>> ------------------------------
Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 22:40:30 -0700
From: Tony Bartlett Subject: Death Wheelin'
To: toy4x4@tlca.org
I think the guy didn't have a clue. Knowing your vehicle and proper
off road driving you can get past most trails. Also, I think jeeps and
samari's would tip just as easy or easier because of the wheelbase.
Keep on Wheelin'.
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Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 18:57:42 -0700
From: "Erich E. Schultz" Subject: Dreams Can come true
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
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Call it a pipe dream or just crazy but my wife and I have set a goal of
competing in the year 2000 Paris/Dakar rally with our 94 Xtra cab 4 by.
While I have been an avid offroader for several years in the pacific
northwest, I have no experience in setting up a truck for desert
running. I welcome any and ll advice on setting up my Toy for such an
event. What needs upgrading, Lift? etc. I look forward to hearing from
everyone.
Erich
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Call it a pipe dream or just crazy but my wife and I have set a goal
of competing in the year 2000 Paris/Dakar rally with our 94 Xtra cab 4
by. While I have been an avid offroader for several years in the pacific
northwest, I have no experience in setting up a truck for desert running.
I welcome any and ll advice on setting up my Toy for such an event. What
needs upgrading, Lift? etc. I look forward to hearing from everyone.
Erich - ------------3D67347358170--
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Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 21:28:28 -0600
From: Steve Capuano Subject: Dreams Can come true
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
win the lotto and buy Ivan "Ironman" Stewart's bad TOY
Steve C.
At 06:57 PM 3/5/97 -0700, you wrote:>>------------3D67347358170>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii>>Call it a pipe dream or just crazy but my wife and I have set a goal of>competing in the year 2000 Paris/Dakar rally with our 94 Xtra cab 4 by.>While I have been an avid offroader for several years in the pacific>northwest, I have no experience in setting up a truck for desert>running. I welcome any and ll advice on setting up my Toy for such an>event. What needs upgrading, Lift? etc. I look forward to hearing from>everyone.>>Erich>>------------3D67347358170>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit>Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii>>>>Call it a pipe dream or just crazy but my wife and I have set a goal>of competing in the year 2000 Paris/Dakar rally with our 94 Xtra cab 4>by. While I have been an avid offroader for several years in the pacific>northwest, I have no experience in setting up a truck for desert running.>I welcome any and ll advice on setting up my Toy for such an event. What>needs upgrading, Lift? etc. I look forward to hearing from everyone.
>>
>>Erich>>>>------------3D67347358170-->> ------------------------------
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 09:31:06 -0500 (EST)
From: "Tim Jackson (CS)" Subject: Front axle
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org>This is a good idea, but one of my concerns involves the shape of>the axle housing itself. The bottom of the front axle has that>squarish shape to it and I'm not sure how this would work when>it comes time to rotate the housing. I haven't looked at it much>yet and was just wondering if someone out there had already done>it.>>BTW........it's been over a week now and I haven't disassembled>a single part from my truck ;-)>_____________________________________________>Jay Kopycinski '85 Toylet (ROKTOY
Jay
I have a little info that might be useful. The square shape of the front
axle is formed by braces(supports?). You can separate these braces (with
a lot of work) from the round axle tubes and then separate the axles tubes
from the third-member. The braces are pretty cheap to replace.
I am not sure of the details of the procedure but I have seen a front axle
in pieces and heard the "tall-tale" about the disassembly.
A friend of mine swapped to a chevy 10- or 12-bolt(I can't remember which)
third-member to try and utilize a stronger set of gears and alleviate
bearing problems.
THE AXLE "TUBES" ARE THE SAME SIZE( I think it's the 12-bolt).
So you can use the same inner axles, hardware, brakes, hubs, etc....
It looks kind of weird but he hasn't had a problem with it since.
Hope this helps.
aj
83' 4x4
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Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 18:54:00 EST
From: matt877@juno.com (Matthew C Chapin)
Subject: fuel injected 81?
To: toy4x4@tlca.org
I would like to know if anyone knows of or has used any aftermarket/late
model fuel injections on an 81 4x4? I would love to try this. I have
access to late model Toy's with fuel injection in the boneyards.
Is a 22re fuel injection compatable w/ a 22r?
Were there (are there) any stock 22r's that were fuel injected?
Matt chapin
matt877@juno.com
81' 4x4 SR5
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Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 17:15:36 -0800 (PST)
From: Jonathan Albrecht Subject: fuel injected 81?
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
On Wed, 5 Mar 1997, Matthew C Chapin wrote:> I would like to know if anyone knows of or has used any aftermarket/late> model fuel injections on an 81 4x4? I would love to try this. I have> access to late model Toy's with fuel injection in the boneyards.> Is a 22re fuel injection compatable w/ a 22r?> Were there (are there) any stock 22r's that were fuel injected?
As far as I know, the only 22r's that were injected were 22r-e's. From
what I've seen, the only real difference is cam profile and the
compression ratio. Since (supposedly) the 22r-e head is the same as the
22r head, I'm guessing the 22re pistons are little differently shaped.
AFAIK, the swap *should* work, but you will need to swap everything,
including the computer (under the passenger side kick panel). ..But I
don't know.
But there is one thing I've kinda been wondering about. I know that NWOR
sells a 4barrel intake manifold...and Holley makes some smaller
Pro-Injection systems. I wonder if you could run a Pro-injection (or
something similar) on a 22r. Anybody ever hear of this or try it out?
Jonathan Albrecht
albr9619@uidaho.edu
http://www.uidaho.edu/~albr9619/
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Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 19:14:10 -0800 (PST)
From: Chris Geiger Subject: fuel injected 81?
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
I have removed the rear bumper rom my 93 4Runner (chrome) and replaced it
with a custom built one made from 2X4 3/8" steele. Needless to say I don't
need the old bumper and more. Would any one like to buy one? It's in great
shape and comes with the mud flaps. If you have a dented one this might be
for you. $100 ??? If interested Email me at geiger@mcl.ucsb.edu
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Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 00:02:10 -0500 (EST)
From: DRM033@aol.com
Subject: fuel injected 81?
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
In a message dated 97-03-05 20:30:02 EST, you write:> But there is one thing I've kinda been wondering about. I know that NWOR> sells a 4barrel intake manifold...and Holley makes some smaller> Pro-Injection systems. I wonder if you could run a Pro-injection (or> something similar) on a 22r. Anybody ever hear of this or try it out?>> Well, I've seen adaptor plates to put chevy carbs on Jeeps. I don't see why
you could not make an adaptor. Maybe I don't have a clue. Oh, well.
David
DRM033@aol.com
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Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 22:56:32 -0700
From: Tony Bartlett Subject: Installed new R&P
To: toy4x4@tlca.org
Well, I finally finished setting up my diffs with 5.29's I never
set up diffs before so before I installed them I had some friends check
out the patterns and they said they were fine.
After installing tested for noises, no funny sounds yet. I have not
checked the front out real well yet. I will be headind to some local
spot to make sure the front diff will handle some stress before Moab.
I run 33 inch tires and 5.29's are a little low. I have to run
about 75 mph at around 3400 rpm to go 65 mph. I might have to get some
35's to travel to and from events then at the event put on the 33's.
Just a little hard to fit four tires and necessary gear in the bed.
Just in the parking lot and driving around in 2wd the ratio feels
lower than I thought it would be. I can't wait to tackle some of those
obstacles I dare not tackle with stock gearing.
I am able to use 5th gear again, and use 4th alot more, from 35mph
to 55mph.
I will still be a little nervouse that they hold up (since I set
them up). but what better way to learn. Hopefully I have no problems.
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Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 10:09:23 -0600
From: Jack Alford Subject: John Skaggs To: toy4x4@tlca.org
John Skaggs wrote:>A while ago you talked about a Nissan diff breather tube, that was a direct>bolt in for the Toyota axle. Do you happen to have the part #. I went down>to the Nissan dealer yesterday and the parts man was clueless. BTW I have>an 85 4Runner if it makes any difference.
No, I don't have a part #, junk yards aren't big on microfiche ...
But, I suppose if you went to a Nissan dealer and looked at the
microfiche with him, I assume Nissan dealers have michrofiche, and
point out the part that you want to him. He should be able to
take it from there ... I'd hope.
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Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 11:44:00 -0500
From: John Skaggs Subject: John Skaggs To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
- ----- Begin Included Message ----->No, I don't have a part #, junk yards aren't big on microfiche ...>But, I suppose if you went to a Nissan dealer and looked at the>microfiche with him, I assume Nissan dealers have michrofiche, and>point out the part that you want to him. He should be able to>take it from there ... I'd hope.
- ----- End Included Message -----
I had hoped so to but, he HAD to know what year what engine my mothers maiden name ;-). I pointed to the part on the fiche, but it looked like two pieces.
They wanted money up front and said the parts could not be returned, so I
didn't get it, I am going to just go to a junk yard and look. Do you know
what year of truck you pulled it from? Was it a hard body?
John Skaggs
TLCA # waiting
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Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 09:06:54 -0800
From: Eric Johnson Subject: looking for mid 80's 4X4
To: "'Toy4x4@tlca.org'" Herman Snodgrass wrote:> Hello all,> I have just join this list because I don't know a whole lot about> toyota 4X4's. I Am presently debating about purchasing a mid80's toyota
4X4> and was wondering if any of you could answer any of these questions:>> What model year seems to be the 'best'?(like good MPG, inexpensive> parts{hehehe})>> What problems should I l look for in the truck?
Depends on what you want it for, really. If you want something tough and
reliable for off-road use, its hard to beat a '85 with a 22RE engine. This
is the first year of fuel injection and the last year of a solid-axle front
end. The EFI 22RE engine starts better in the cold than earlier versions,
and is more powerful than the carbureted version.
1986 and later have independent front suspension, which rides real nice,
though many people feel that it is weaker than the solid axle. IFS trucks
are definitely more expensive to lift, if thats something you ever want to
do.
Its pretty hard to go wrong with any mid-80's toyota though. The 22R and
22RE motors used in these are legendary for longevity.
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- -- ej@blarg.net
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Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1997 10:04:16 +1100
From: juhapekka.sarimaa@a1.cbr.hhcs.gov.au
Subject: looking for mid 80's 4X4
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
From: NAME: Juha Sarimaa
FUNC: Information Services
TEL: 289 8045 To: NAME: ==> Herman Wrote:>What problems should I look for in the truck?
The list is about as long as my arm but here's a couple of easy ones (IMHO).
1) Grab one of the front wheels and start shaking. If you can "feel" some
play in the hubs they will need to be at least tightened, perhaps more ?
2) Get under the truck and start swinging off the drive shafts esp the Front
one. If the truck has a really big susp lift chances are the cardanan (sp?)
joint on the front shaft will be shot. Grab the shafts either side of the
slip joints and twist, ideally there should be no play whatsoever but the
older the truck is the more there will be and if there's lots then $$$.
Hope this helps.
Juha.
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Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 08:21:20 -0700
From: nickkrest@batnet.com (Nick Krest)
Subject: mid-engine mount
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
Jay Kopycinski wrote:
"...if you're willing to go mid-engine mount,
that opens up more possibilities."
It can be done using an Olds Toronado transaxle. You could even have
rear-wheel IFS. I've done it before, but not to a Toy.
- Nick
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Date: 5 Mar 1997 08:39:44 -0700
From: "Jay Kopycinski" Subject: More thoughts on stuff
To: "Matthew Chapin" , "Toyota 4x4 List" Subject: Time: 8:19 AM
OFFICE MEMO More thoughts on stuff Date: 3/5/97
matt877@juno.com (Matthew C Chapin) wrote:>Does anyone know how to calculate what size shock to buy for a raised>truck if your not exactly sure how much higher than stock it is raised?
Figuring the short dimension is easy. Just take a measurement at rest
and subtract the distance between the stops. I usually go about 1/2"
shorter to allow for stop compression.
Next, jack up the vehicle to see how much droop you get with the
shock disconnected. On leaf springs you may see this as the point
where you run out of spring/shackle length and the axle cannot
drop any more. Or.... you may have other limiting factors such as
tire interference or spring bind, etc. Get an approximate length
from this and then start checking for shocks of the appropriate
length in the Rancho (or whatever) catalog.
You may find a shock that matches your range well or you may have
to go thru a few iterations of comparing available lengths and
you travel movement.
Also, if you are cutting the dimension close on either compression
or extension, note also the effects on movement of the shocks
leaning forward or backward as their travel distances will be
different.> How about letting me know where I can find a mail order company that has>a catolouge and deals primarily w/ Toy. 4x4? I am also in need of the>#'s for Downey, and NWOR.> I read someones post about a shop in Calif. that makes beds called>AutoFab(I think) Could I please have their address and/or phone number>too? Thanks-- Matt
Here are some numbers for you:
AUTO FAB
10996 N. Woodside, Suites F,G&H
Santee, CA 92071
619-562-1740
619-562-6151 (fax)
DOWNEY
10001 S. Pioneer Blvd.
Santa Fe Springs, CA 90670-3221
310-949-9494
310-949-5718 (fax)
NORTHWEST OFF-ROAD SPEC.
P.O. Box 1617
Bellingham, WA 98227
206-676-1200
206-676-5401 (fax)
Hope his helps........
_____________________________________________
Jay Kopycinski '85 Toylet (ROKTOY)
Gilbert, AZ
ryna10@email.sps.mot.com
http://www.netzone.com/~jayk
Arizona Lo-Rangers 4WD Club TLCA #3243
_____________________________________________
REDLINE MOTORSPORTS
1256 Cottonwood Circle
Corona, CA 91719
909-734-3765
909-734-3765 (fax)
'84-'88 fiberglass bed
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Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 21:51:41 -0800
From: Scott Wilson Subject: O2 sensor
To: Toy4x4 Neal Sullivan wrote:>> Hi Scott>> Just wanted to let you know I went through the same crap with my 02 sensor but> couldn't return the wrong part because it was special order. Looks like I may> have to go to court to get my money back for the wrong sensor. I have learned> the hard way always go to Toyota for these types of specialty parts. If you> can post this to the TLCA digest I would appreciate it. I for some reason> cannot post still. Thanks.
That's too bad. I bought my wrong O2 sensor from Kragens, and even
though it was a special order they had no problem admiting it wasn't
right and taking it back. They even waved the 10% restocking fee
because it was their mistake.
Scott
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Santa Clara, CA _'\<,_ _'\<,_ _'\<,_ _'\<,_
swilson@pacbell.net (_)' (_) (_)' (_) (_)' (_) (_)' (_)
http://users.uniserve.com/~rcomber/scottw/scottw.htm
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Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 21:10:00 -0500 (EST)
From: TXPakRat@aol.com
Subject: Parts
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
I have a set of rear OEM mud flaps with the 4x4 logo on them that came
off of my 90 4Runner. I took them off at about 30,000 miles. They are in
really good shape. If I remember correctly, the dealership charges about $45
each for new ones.
I also have a complete (except hoses) stock air intake system (salad bowl
and muffler boxes) that I took off when I put my Downey air system in (at
about 30,000 miles). It is in very good shape. New from the dealer, the
complete system runs about $400.
If anyone is interested, let me know, we can work out a deal! My wife
just wants me to get rid of the stuff (note my handle PACK RAT)!
Bob, Pack Rat, Wren
90 4Runner SR5 V6
TXPakRat@aol.com
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Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 11:58:18 -0800 (PST)
From: Ross Raymond Fahlen Subject: Pilot bearing
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 11:27:20 -0800 (PST)
From: Michael L Martin Subject: Clutch problems
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
Well, as I stated last week, Sat. was the day to replace
Mr. Clutch as my pedal travel had quickly evaporated down to
almost nil.
Pulled the tranny and inspected.....hmmmmm...clutch plate
looks ok.....everything seemed ok. Pilot bearing was shot (IMHO, that
is). Bought another for $10, but couldn't get the old one out!!!!
Three of us all tried our best for the better part of an hour to get
that puppy out. No luck. Finally figured, "Screw it." Put the new
clutch in regardless. No go.
Micheal
I learned this trick about two months ago and it works great. Fill the
holein the pilot bearing with grease, and then find a socket that just
barely fits in the hole. Fill the socket with grease, and put an
extension on it to fill the backside hole. Put the socket in the hole
and tap slowly with a hammer, and wa la, it's out.
Hope this works
Ross Fahlen
Western Washington University
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Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 14:22:47 -0500
From: Keith Campbell Subject: Pilot Bushing
To: toy4x4@tlca.org
You Wrote:
Well, as I stated last week, Sat. was the day to replace
Mr. Clutch as my pedal travel had quickly evaporated down to
almost nil.
Pulled the tranny and inspected.....hmmmmm...clutch plate
looks ok.....everything seemed ok. Pilot bearing was shot (IMHO, that
is). Bought another for $10, but couldn't get the old one out!!!!
Three of us all tried our best for the better part of an hour to get
that puppy out. No luck. Finally figured, "Screw it." Put the new
clutch in regardless. No go.
Can't Help you with your adjustments, but as far as removing a pilot
bushing . . . Back fill the bushing with grease and find a punch the same
diameter as the pilot hole . . . then use a the hydraulic force of the
grease to push the pilot bushing out. You might have to refill the void in
the crank once with grease while you are forcing the pilot bushing out. It
worked like a champ for me, and an old shade tree mech taught it to me . . .
Later
Keith
"Si vis pacem, para bellum"
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Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 22:45:49 -0700
From: Tony Bartlett Subject: Rotating Front Axle
To: toy4x4@tlca.org
Here is an idea for rotating the front axle to change caster. I have
not looked to close to see if it will work on a Toyota, but I am sure it
is done on other type of axles.
I think you can grind off the weld holding the "ball" on the ends of the
axles. then turn just the "ball" and weld it back on. That way you
would not have to remove all the brackets and perches on the axle.
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Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 10:09:21 -0600
From: Jack Alford Subject: Subject: death wheelin'
To: toy4x4@tlca.org
Jen wrote:> Anyway, he told me "NEVER take it off road up canyons and NEVER take it>to Moab you will die!!!" His reasoning for this was that it's top heavy
and I>tip or roll very easy, too easy. True, my truck is tall (3 inch lift
&>33x10's) but I allready have done a lot of hard wheelin' and I'm>still here- what I wanna know is if this guy is full of crap or have i just>been really lucky this whole>time?? I don't agree with him but I'd like to know what you guys all think!
He's full of crap ! You can wheel with me anytime, I run 33's and have about
5.5" of lift and haven't rolled yet, been close though, it had
nothing to do with normal top heavy-ness though. I had broken a spring
pack center bolt right before Spyder lake and couldn't steer that well
... and I'll be wheeling the death capital, Moab, at the end of the month.
If you're gonna be there, look us up, we'll be camping at the SlickRock
Campground.
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Jack Alford Off-Road.com - The best dirt on the net!
jalford@off-road.com http://www.off-road.com/
Decatur, AL
'86 Xcab Toyota Pickup - 33x12.50 BFG MT
Solid Front Axle - Marlin Crawler - ARB's - 4.88's
SFWDA - TLCA #3415 - Rocket City Rock Crawlers
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Date: 5 Mar 1997 08:58:20 -0700
From: "Jay Kopycinski" Subject: Suspension throw
To: "Toyota 4x4 List" Subject: Time: 8:21 AM
OFFICE MEMO Suspension throw Date: 3/5/97
Eric Johnson wrote:
Subject: Suspension throw
To: "'toy4x4@tlca.org'" snip>Any ideas on the ways to increase the rear travel? Is there a good way to>tell what my limiting factor is? I mean, it could be that the springs can't>droop any further, or maybe its because the shocks can't extend any>further. Are lower profile rear bumpstops available and advisable? (I'm>still running 235s....)
To test for droop limit, disconnect the shock on one rear corner and find
a way to get the axle twisted up and that tire off the ground. A jack in
the garage will work fairly well but may be a little harder to work with.
What you want to do is see if your spring/shackle length is your limiting
droop factor. Under max droop check to see if the shackle is as far forward
as it can come. Once this length is used up, you're out of droop travel and
need to go to longer springs to get more length for increased droop. At this
time, also check to see if your current shock is letting you drop as far as
your spring can.
Under extreme droop conditions (with longer springs) you may find that the
tire (inside edge) on the compression side is touching the frame and limiting
droop on the opposite side. This is one of my current problems.
To test compression you need to compress one of the rear corners. You can
do this by driving up a ramp or something similar. If you are still running
the
lower load leafs on the rear spring, they will most likely be what is limiting
your compression travel. You may see the rest of the spring pack sitting
down on this spring and travel stop before you hit the stops.
You can remove this lower leaf but there are important lift and axle wrap
results that you have to work with.>I'm going to disconnect the swaybar before my next run this weekend to see>if letting the front twist more will mean the rear doesn't have to. Bad>idea? good idea?
Disconnecting the sway bar can help a fair bit in the rocks.>I'm running a NWOR extended rear shackle in the rear, which is supposed to>lift me an extra inch or so back there. I want to get some new Rs9000s for>the rear (the rs5000s i have seem too stiff, but I like 'em in the front),>should i go with the stock size rachos or the ones spec'ed for 2" lift?
Watch the Rancho specs. I've found them wrong several times. Best way
is to measure for your specific application than find the length you need
from their catalog.
Hope this gives you a few ideas.
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Jay Kopycinski '85 Toylet (ROKTOY)
Gilbert, AZ
ryna10@email.sps.mot.com
http://www.netzone.com/~jayk
Arizona Lo-Rangers 4WD Club TLCA #3243
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Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 14:15:04 -0600
From: Jack Alford Subject: Suspension throw
To: toy4x4@tlca.org
Jay wrote:>as it can come. Once this length is used up, you're out of droop travel and>need to go to longer springs to get more length for increased droop. At this
For anyone who's interested in the longer springs Jay is refering to here,
there's a page on Off-Road.com that Jay wrote detailing what/how he did.
I've done this to my truck, with slight difference in the way that Jay did
it and must say the springs are incredibly soft, the whole project cost
me less than $150, wasn't terribly difficult and required minimal welding
(as compared to other projects I've done on my truck.) and metal cutting
ability.
You can get to the longer spring article from the TOYOTA page on
Off-Road.com at:
http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota/toyota.html
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Decatur, AL
'86 Xcab Toyota Pickup - 33x12.50 BFG MT
Solid Front Axle - Marlin Crawler - ARB's - 4.88's
SFWDA - TLCA #3415 - Rocket City Rock Crawlers
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Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 17:19:48 -0500 (EST)
From: DRM033@aol.com
Subject: Suspension throw
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
In a message dated 97-03-05 15:30:27 EST, you write:> I've done this to my truck, with slight difference in the way that Jay did> it and must say the springs are incredibly soft, the whole project cost> me less than $150, wasn't terribly difficult and required minimal welding> (as compared to other projects I've done on my truck.) and metal cutting> ability.>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------> Jack Alford
Mind telling me more? I always love the less expensive route.
David
DRM033@aol.com
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Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 16:49:45 -0600
From: Jack Alford Subject: Suspension throw
To: toy4x4@tlca.org
David wrote:>> I've done this to my truck, with slight difference in the way that Jay did>> it and must say the springs are incredibly soft, the whole project cost>> me less than $150, wasn't terribly difficult and required minimal welding>> (as compared to other projects I've done on my truck.) and metal cutting>> ability.>>>Mind telling me more? I always love the less expensive route.
The things I did differently from Jay didn't make the mod. any
less expensive ...
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jalford@off-road.com http://www.off-road.com/
Decatur, AL
'86 Xcab Toyota Pickup - 33x12.50 BFG MT
Solid Front Axle - Marlin Crawler - ARB's - 4.88's
SFWDA - TLCA #3415 - Rocket City Rock Crawlers
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Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2097 10:58:06 -0800
From: "Craig Blanchette" Subject: Thieves
To: "Toyota Mailing List" To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
Jimmy Tom wrote:
"I'm trying to keep the truck mainly from
getting stolen. It seems that 4x4's are
hot commodities in Los Angeles and the
aforementioned theft deterrents seem to
be easily overcome. The kneebar may be a
way for me to lock the shifter into a
gear or something, and I'm thinking a
bike type U-lock could be a way to do so."
Here are some thoughts:
I had the unfortunate pleasure to find that on my birthday in November, my
truck went for a joy ride. They blew the motor and stole rims, tires, etc.
Anyway, the removable steering wheel along with a starter kill (hidden
switch in cab) should work fine for preventing them from driving away. I am
going to get an alarm system with paging. You can set them up so that they
have to break into your truck before it goes off (nothing like 4 am and
they alarm goes off because a cat jumped on your hood. At least with the
paging system, you will know the second it thinks someones breaking in...
Then go out and protect your truck! Theres too many people in this world
who feel its their right to take whatever they want and screw the people
who worked and slaved to build a nice offroad truck.
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Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 19:33:54 EST
From: "Mark.Stoneleigh@ATB" Subject: Thieves
To: toy4x4@tlca.org
This is a subject I know about. A few years back after my '92 4Runner was
one year old it got broken into. They stole my CD player and speakers.
The great Calgary police recovered the goods and returned them. They
suggested that I get an alarm system as the thieves would be back within
3 months.
I installed an alarm with a field (area) monitoring system and shock sensor.
Well almost three months to the day they were back. The idiots did more
damage disabling the field alarm by cutting the wires to the fog lamps,
rear lights, indicators etc. Anyway they did short out the field system,
but instead of smashing the window like last time, they tried to pop out
small side window. Needless to say the window shattered and the shock
alarm went off. They dissappeared. Victory]
After defeating them twice, and figuring they would just vandalize my
babe the next time. I placed it in storage for 3 years. During the last
year in storage, 1996, I bought the "Club" and plus installed another and
separate Vehicle Immobilizer system. I use the Club religiously.
This particular immobilizer cuts power to 4 different vital vehicle systems.
It is virtually impossible to hot wire the truck as any potential thief
must connect 8 wires in the correct order to start it.
One final word, I also now conceal the CD player so it looks like I just
have a stock radio/cassette.
Mark
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Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 21:19:01 -0700 (MST)
From: Ken Knowles Subject: Thieves
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
Sounds like the thieves in you guys' neighborhoods need to learn a trick
or two. When my 4Runner got broken into they just shoved a screwdriver
thru the plastic around the lock cylinder and busted the retaining clip. I
lost my CD player, but minimal damage to the truck. Apparently this
technique is so well known here that when I called the police *they*
described it to me over the phone. All I had to say was, "uh-huh...
uh-huh..." That was the extent of the police report.
- --
Ken Knowles National Snow & Ice Data Center
knowles@kryos.colorado.edu University of Colorado
voice: 303-492-0644 Campus Box 449
fax: 303-492-2468 Boulder, CO 80309-0449
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Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 00:15:05 -0500 (EST)
From: DRM033@aol.com
Subject: Thieves
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
In a message dated 97-03-05 23:51:25 EST, you write:> Sounds like the thieves in you guys' neighborhoods need to learn a trick> or two. When my 4Runner got broken into they just shoved a screwdriver> thru the plastic around the lock cylinder and busted the retaining clip. I> lost my CD player, but minimal damage to the truck. Apparently this> technique is so well known here that when I called the police *they*> described it to me over the phone. All I had to say was, "uh-huh...> uh-huh..." That was the extent of the police report.> Well, stupid me, got in at 1:00 in the morning and thought "there's no reason
to lock the doors..." (Really nice neighborhood, usually not a problem)
Where's the little guy that pops out from the bushes and slaps you for being
an idiot? Anyway, they got the speakers, CD's, CB (but they left the CB
amp-go figure) And my camera too! They took their time, removed the
speakers, put the seat back in the upright position, unscrewed the wire nuts
for the CB leads and then closed the doors. They left a couple of CD's in
the seat and left the cell phone too.
Now, getting ripped off was bad, but PICKY thieves! AHHHHH
David
DRM033@aol.com
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Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2097 22:49:17 -0800
From: "Craig Blanchette" Subject: Thieves
To: IT sounds very similar to my experience, they thieves stole the tires and
some cd's and tools, but left a 8000 pound winch out front. They could have
taken the lift, shocks to for that matter and still have left the truck in
the same amount of time that they spent destroying my truck.
- ---------->> Well, stupid me, got in at 1:00 in the morning and thought "there's no
reason> to lock the doors..." (Really nice neighborhood, usually not a problem)> Where's the little guy that pops out from the bushes and slaps you for
being> an idiot? Anyway, they got the speakers, CD's, CB (but they left the CB> amp-go figure) And my camera too! They took their time, removed the> speakers, put the seat back in the upright position, unscrewed the wire
nuts> for the CB leads and then closed the doors. They left a couple of CD's
in> the seat and left the cell phone too.> Now, getting ripped off was bad, but PICKY thieves! AHHHHH>> David> DRM033@aol.com
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Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 11:43:54 MST7MDT
From: "Alan Anderson" Subject: Toy4x4 Digest V1 #88
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
I was wondering if someone could help me....I need a new/used right
fender & liner and a hood for an 81-82 toy p/u.....any help would be
apreceated....I no longer like elk!....thanx all.
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