From UncleBrad@aol.com Fri Mar 31 02:48:40 1995 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 02:48:40 -0500 From: UncleBrad@aol.com Subject: Re: parts places WEst Coast British is pretty close to me, in the San Francisco Bay Area. They had a very limited parts inventory last time I was there. They mostly do repair work. Mike Green owns the place and has some inside track with LRNA as his father, Michael Green, has worked for the company for many years. Octopus is in Vancouver, British Columbia and has a lot of parts, including great prices on used parts. Also a nice little newsletter. I like them very much. Their number is 604-925-1514. From Mark Perry Fri Mar 31 02:20:34 1995 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 02:20:34 -0600 (CST) From: Mark Perry Subject: Overdrive special wrench The 1/2-inch brass drift method seems to be the solution, when the special wrench is unavailable. Worked for me, and other LROs hereabouts. I puzzled about the special wrench, or various substitutes until I was told to use the drift. Gets the nut off, and going back on, get it as tight as it will go, until you can fold the lock tabs over, even if you have to back it up a wee bit. So far, so good. From the looks of the special wrench, BTW, I don't see how you can get a torque reading from the thing anyway. Now, I just have to deal with that awful whine! Cheers, Mark Perry Winnipeg MB CDA '66 IIA 88" If it isn't leaking, it's probably out of something. From Martin Richards Fri Mar 31 09:24:00 1995 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 95 09:24:00 GMT From: Martin Richards Subject: Re: Clark Gable Sighting "Lapa, Hank" wrote: The local PBS station ran "Mogambo" a couple times in the last week or Could this have been the earliest L-R appearance in a major picture? In the film '633 Squadron', Land Rovers can be seen during the closing sequence. Since this is set in the '39-'45 war (some 3 years before the things were invented!) I think this must the earliest sighting... Re the comments on stalling SIIs when wet, my '78 109" SIII used to do much the same. I filched a coil cover off my girlfriend's Peugeot to keep the wet away from the coil leads (but a plastic lemonade bottle can be persuaded to do much the same job), and sprayed everything in sight with some silicon sealant meant for doing spark plugs. With a good dollop of vaseline or grease round the inside of the distributor cap too, the thing seemed to run fine after that. Prior to this, when jet-washing, I found it better to turn the engine OFF, because otherwise the fan would ensure that any water finding its way into the engine bay then found its way in to everything :( Martin. ps Yes I'm new on this list! I used to have a 109 SIII hard top, with rear seats and side windows Then the climbing/mountaineering bug started to require a vehicle capable of 300 miles or so on most Friday evenings rather than taking the entire weekend about it. (I live in Enfield, North London, well known for its mountains!) So the SIII turned into a '91 Discovery Tdi. Wonderful vehicle (seven seats are very useful for Scout leaders), but the metallic paint job rather limits the off-roading potential! From Andrew Grafton Fri Mar 31 10:56:40 1995 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 95 10:56:40 BST From: Andrew Grafton Subject: Cables for winches I'm the new owner of an exceedingly chunky hand winch which will fit on the front of a SIII between the wings. The device is basically just one huge worm drive, and our (conservative) estimate is that it will be capable of putting about 3 tons of tension on a cable if you really give it some. Said winch was never meant to be mounted on a landrover, but the technology is entirely appropriate for our purposes. Our problem is that at the minute it doesn't have any cable fitted. Looking at the diameter of the cable drum (8 cm without cable on) I would guess that the maximum cable diameter we can get away with is approx. 8mm. Anyone care to comment on whether or not that is correct, and whether or not we could get away with something of larger diameter? Along the same lines, does anyboby have data on the tension required to break galvanised multistrand cables of various construction? I want to be able to take a first guess at how I'm going to stop us breaking the cable with the winch. Has anyone ever used nylon webbing as a 'cable' for winching? It strikes me that some of that 10-ton stuff about 1/8" thick and 2" wide would fit nicely around that winch drum... Any input would be appreciated. All the best, Andy A.J.Grafton@lut.ac.uk From Vel Natarajan Fri Mar 31 04:42:30 1995 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 04:42:30 -0600 (CST) From: Vel Natarajan Subject: A Connecticut Yankee in King Lucas' Court Actually, an Illinois Yankee in Swindon, but it sounded better the other way... Hello, I've been sent by my company on assignment to work in England for about 6-12 months and while I'm here would like to purchase a SIIa LWB Land Rover to bring back with me. I'd really like to contact some local owners to talk Rovers with and possibly help me out in my search. I'm working and living in Swindon, Wiltshire. If there are any owners reading the list who are nearby who wouldn't mind helping me in my search, I'd be grateful... and would be willing to express my gratitude with beer. :-) Please feel free to email me at: nataraja@ecid.cig.mot.com Thanks, and I'm looking forward to meeting with some of you! Vel ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Kumaravel Natarajan Phone: +44-793-541541 x5529 Motorola Fax: +44-793-430-987 European Cellular Infrastructure Group Mobile: +49-171-854-6670 16 Euro Way, Email: Blagrove, Swindon, nataraja@ecid.cig.mot.com England, SN5 8YQ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From Franz.Parzefall@Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE Fri Mar 31 15:12:14 1995 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 15:12:14 +0200 (MET DST) From: Franz.Parzefall@Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE Subject: re: Cables for winches A.J.Grafton writes: > Has anyone ever used nylon webbing as a 'cable' for winching? It > strikes me that some of that 10-ton stuff about 1/8" thick and 2" > wide would fit nicely around that winch drum... Hi Andrew, I didn't fiddle around with winches jet, but using nylon ropes, webbing or whatever could be dangerous I think. These things are elastic (ie. a 20m climing rope with my 75kg at the end is about 1m longer than without), which means that I wouldn't like to be in the range if such a 'cable' breaks while winching a car. Just a thought. CU Franz --------------------------------------------------------------- Franz Parzefall fparzefa@physik.tu-muenchen.de --------------------------------------------------------------- From vogel@shrsys.hslc.org Fri Mar 31 09:05:12 1995 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 09:05:12 EST From: vogel@shrsys.hslc.org Subject: new club in pennsylvania A few committed souls are going to meet at 1pm, April 8 at the Bob Evans on rte 30 in Lancaster, PA to form a Land Rover club. If you are interested, please attend. I understand that spouses are welcome. If you are interested but cannot attend, let me know so that I can keep you informed of any progress. Tom Vogel 1972 SIII '88 vogel@shrsys.hslc.org Gladwyne, PA USA From Bill Yerazunis Fri Mar 31 09:50:58 1995 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 09:50:58 +0500 From: Bill Yerazunis Subject: hand-powered winches (come-alongs) I've used a couple- they do work. How long they work for is a matter of what quality device you buy. I've had a good one for, well, since 1976. I keep it out of damp, keep the cable and mechanism slightly oiled to prevent rust, and it works just fine. Admittedly it's only a 1-ton unit, but I've never found that to be inadequate for my needs... I rarely need to "go vertical". On the other hand, you can get crappy units that will fold up like cardboard. Yeah, they're slow, they require elbow grease. But they do work well for occasional/backup system use. Remember to keep the cable wound flat- a kinked cable is significantly weakened. And NEVER hook the cable to itself! -Bill From Charlie Wright Fri Mar 31 15:49:42 1995 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 15:49:42 +0059 (BST) From: Charlie Wright Subject: re: Cables for winches On Fri, 31 Mar 1995 Franz.Parzefall@Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE wrote: > A.J.Grafton writes: > > Has anyone ever used nylon webbing as a 'cable' for winching? It > Hi Andrew, > I didn't fiddle around with winches jet, but using nylon ropes, > webbing or whatever could be dangerous I think. These things are This is sound advice, but there are more and less elastic lines. There are also other (kevlar, etc) things besides nylon woven into some lines to increase strength, decrease stretch, etc. The weave makes a big difference. I suspect if you look around, something suitable could be found, but it may be more expensive than cable in the long run. The big risk with stretching, as you say, is the energy stored in the line. If a shackle comes loose, it will slingshot through any aluminium panel it makes contact with (I've seen the results of this, not the accident). So, it could be done, I'm sure, but chose carefully for the job (LRO about 6-8 months ago had a feature on recovery and ropes) and consider how to secure the line (good knots, shackles, etc...) before you try it. Cheers, Charlie From Dixon Kenner Fri Mar 31 10:08:44 1995 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 10:08:44 -0500 (EST) From: Dixon Kenner Subject: Re: Cables for winches On Fri, 31 Mar 1995, Andrew Grafton wrote: > Our problem is that at the minute it doesn't have any cable fitted. > Looking at the diameter of the cable drum (8 cm without cable on) 3/8 inch cable should be just fine, its common, and with a 6,000 pound capacity, I doubt you will break it. > Has anyone ever used nylon webbing as a 'cable' for winching? It > strikes me that some of that 10-ton stuff about 1/8" thick and 2" > wide would fit nicely around that winch drum... We use the stuff to protect trees and allow us to get a winch cable off without having the cable sunk into he tree. If you think about it, that strap on the drum will work very well if you are going straight ahead. If you are off angle at all, it will very happily bunch up on one side and make a bit of a mess. Steel cable is better. Rgds, From kleihors@prl.philips.nl Fri Mar 31 18:01:38 1995 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 18:01:38 METDST From: kleihors@prl.philips.nl Subject: LRO's in Europe. Hi Steven, Sure, there are lots of LROs in Europe! On my way to work each morning from the North of Belgium to the South of "The Netherlands" (definately not "Holland", for the insiders) I always meet an occasional series IIa or III. In Europe, these LRs look huge among the other traffic. There's even a nice early III pick-up version on the parking lot at work. I really am eager to get the IIa LWB finished soon, to join this crowd. Thinking/hoping that everything was done for the safety test, I removed the rear drums to inspect and clean-up the rear brakes. The brake shoes were swimming in oil though the brake pedal is firm. Seams like the rear hub seals are leaking. Fortunately I have a pile of new parts and will replace the oil seals this weekend. I assume that the brake shoes and rubber parts will be shot too. Only, I couldn't really find anything wrong with the rear hubs and the oil seals. I will check out the rear axle breather valve, maybe this is blocked? You will enjoy this list very much, there are a couple of Dutch folks on line, and we can brag a little at the national club meetings. I am in the progress of becoming a member of the Dutch LR register, hey, I only got the LRs a couple of weeks! Maybe we're going to Norway in August, somebody going to the June Mini-Meet in Sweden? Take care, Richard P. Kleihorst. speaking for: '63 LWB Safari SW "Lou Wee Balls" '60 SWB Pick-up "St. Jan" From "Russell G. Dushin" Fri Mar 31 11:45:17 1995 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 95 11:45:17 EST From: "Russell G. Dushin" Subject: Re: LRO's in Europe. > will be shot too. Only, I couldn't really find anything wrong with the > rear hubs and the oil seals. I will check out the rear axle breather valve, > maybe this is blocked? certainly could be. comes apart...disassemble and clean. be sure to replace the seal races when you do the seals....the slightest groove will surely leak. they come off easier than it may seem at first....use a sharp chisel (it is soft metal and will break easily). rgds, rd/nige From Ray Harder Fri Mar 31 10:50:21 1995 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 10:50:21 -0600 (CST) From: Ray Harder Subject: From a Land-Rover owner in London!! (fwd) got to take that web page more seriously -- Ray Harder... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From janjan@xs4all.nl (Jan Schokker) Fri Mar 31 19:22:46 1995 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 19:22:46 +0200 From: janjan@xs4all.nl (Jan Schokker) Subject: Series III and unleaded fuel? Hi, Still four weeks to go before we can drive our Landrover... Time for another question (thanks for the answers on the one about handpainting). I'm preparing myself with a couple of books. They give me a lot of answers, but not to this: How about running an '83 ex-military series III 109 2,25 on unleaded fuel? The guy selling me the Landrover says it is no problem, but I don't believe him. The factory repair manual makes it clear I could use fuel as low-rated as 83 octane! Nothing about lead though. I guess this wasn't an isue in 1983. Could it be the guy is right? Or should I have the head rebuilt with hardened valve seats and other valves? Will it be save to use unleaded most of the time, and use leaded fuel every now and then? If so, how often? The reason I want to know is the price difference between the two. OK, and the environment. Thanks, Jan. janjan@xs4all.nl Amsterdam, the Netherlands From berg@acf2.NYU.EDU (Jeff Berg) Fri Mar 31 13:01:10 1995 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 13:01:10 -0500 From: berg@acf2.NYU.EDU (Jeff Berg) Subject: Re: Cables for winches Andrew Grafton asks: >Our problem is that at the minute it doesn't have any cable fitted. >Looking at the diameter of the cable drum (8 cm without cable on) [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)] >correct, and whether or not we could get away with something of >larger diameter? >Along the same lines, does anyboby have data on the tension required >to break galvanised multistrand cables of various construction? I >want to be able to take a first guess at how I'm going to stop us >breaking the cable with the winch. "Cable" is more accurately referred to as aircraft cable or wire rope. With a little help from the McMaster-Carr Supply Co. catalog, I can provide you with a some information. I'd also suggest getting ahold of Land-Rover's Guide To Winching before making any decisions. (I don't have my copy here at the office.) It has some suggestions about appropriate cables for winching. I assume no responsibility for the accuracy of this information, or anything that goes wrong from using it, so please check with the wire rope manufacturer or supplier about the appropriateness of their prodcut for your use. (Hey, I'm from America. Someone's always trying to sue me. ;-}) Here are the breaking strength figures for a couple of different types of 3/8 aircraft cable, which I believe is the equivalent to 8mm. (I could have screwed up the conversion though.) Remember, breaking strength does not equal working strength. Depending on whose safety standards you use, and what the application is, working strength is generally considered to be between 10% and 25% of breaking strength. I'd always err on the side of caution on this as a snapped wire rope flying at you is not a pretty thing to be watching and may in fact become the last thing you see. Breaking Abrasion Flex- Strength Resistance ibility 3/8 Galv. Steel Extra Flex, 7x19 standed core: 14,400lbs good very good 3/8 Type 316 Stainless Steel, 7x19 stranded core: 11000lbs good good 3/8 Type 304 Stainless Steel, 7x19 stranded core: 12000lbs moderate good 3/8 Type 302 Stainless Steel, 7x19 stranded core: 12000lbs good excellent There a several more types of wire rope listed, but essentially the breaking strengths are in the same general range. Once again, please follow safe engineering practices when using this stuff, there's more to it than just breaking strength. >From my perspective doing professional theatrical rigging (lighting, sound systems and scenery) and from working on the rigging, both wire rope and "real" rope of sailboats, I have very little experience at "heavy" vehicle recovery: As I was in the process of gathering this information someone responded to the question of using synthetic ropes for this purpose, and specifically to check for good knots. I would tend to avoid knots all together in this application, as they significantly reduce the breaking strength of the rope. An eye splice around a metal thimble would be the only way I'd even consider using a rope as a recovery device. I don't think I would consider using it on a winch, only as a "recovery strap". (In which case I'd go ahead and use my nylon recovery strap anyhow.) Regards. JAB == == Jeffrey A. Berg Interactive Telecommunications Program Technical Administrator New York University berg@acf2.nyu.edu ================= My garden is full of papayas and mangos. My dance card is filled with merengues and tangos. Taste for the good life. I can see it no other way. --Jimmy Buffett, Lone Palm (live version) == == From siccama@terena.nl (Steven Siccama) Fri Mar 31 21:18:03 1995 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 21:18:03 +0200 From: siccama@terena.nl (Steven Siccama) Subject: Re: Series III and unleaded fuel? Hi Jan, >Could it be the guy is right? Or should I have the head rebuilt with >hardened valve seats and other valves? Will it be save to use unleaded most >of the time, and use leaded fuel every now and then? >If so, how often? No, the guy who sold you the car was not right. The 2.25 engine will not run on unleaded fuel according to the manuals. On the other end lots of cars, especially here in The Netherlands, run on LPG, which is, as you know, also unleaded. Some people have run over 100,000 km on LPG without a converted cillinder head, without having any problems. In my opinion it is best to have the head rebuild with other valves and valve seats. Cheers, Steven Amsterdam Netherlands From Easton Trevor Thu Mar 30 18:10:00 1995 Date: Thu, 30 Mar 95 18:10:00 EST From: Easton Trevor Subject: Down East Rally - Owls Head New member , J Cassidy's location reminded me of the Owls Head meet in July. Myles Murphy says that this year is going to be organised and may even have some sponsorship from LRNA. Starting Saturday July 1st with Off Road day, various activities, then Sunday at Owls Head as usual but some actual Rover type activities are planned. Whether any or all of this comes to fruition remains to be seen, it's a great spot to visit anyway. Mary and I intend to travel down in Miss Golightly this year via Lewiston, 104, Troy, and points east. Anyone on route we can meet, convoy with, use as emergency back up? Digest subscribers at the meet should have some distinguishing feature. Suggestions are invited. (Khaki Camouflaged Laptop with trailing TCP/IP cable) Does anyone have regular contact with Myles Murphy so I can use the digest to communicate and keep up to date on the event? Trevor Easton 1962 SII SWB Miss Golightly. From bcw6@cornell.edu (Braman Wing) Fri Mar 31 15:37:55 1995 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 15:37:55 -0500 From: bcw6@cornell.edu (Braman Wing) Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest >Date: Thu, 30 Mar 95 14:05:14 PST >From: mtalbot@InterServ.Com (Mark Talbot) [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)] >overdrive WITHOUT using the special spanner/wrench to remove the mainshaft nut >??? My mainshaft nut was loose enough to be undone by hand(!), but I ended up making my own wrench to tighten it. I dug a piece of pipe just the right diameter out of the scrap pile and ground a bunch of notches in it. Then I drilled a hole through the other end and stuck a piece of steel rod through to turn it. It looks kind of third world, but it did the job. It took about 20 minutes, but I think it would be a lot harder to do if you didn't have the nut off already to use as a template. If you get really desparate, I can send you mine (assuming you're on the same continent as NY) The punch trick would also probably work fine, as long as you don't drop any metal bits into the box. Good Luck. bcw From OUDERKIR@scanva.canton.edu Fri Mar 31 16:02:37 1995 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 16:02:37 -0500 (EST) From: OUDERKIR@scanva.canton.edu Subject: carbs I have been contemplating whether or not to get another carberator. I have a 2.25 liter engine bored out .020 with range rover diffs.( it has alot of power) I have a rochester on it now. It gives me the power on both the high end and low end, but poor gas milage. I have had a modified holley on it that gave me 18 mpg but no power. I was looking at the weber single barrel and double barrel. I was wondering is this the way to go? If it is how much will I gain in mileage and performance? Also sould I consider putting a header on? My Rover 1970 sIIa 88 RR diffs 15"wheels with battleship bumpers Dads Rovers 1963 sIIa 88 4cyl Nissan diesel 16"wheels (Steve Denis special) 1974 sIII 88 15" orginal (future restoration project) Thanks Kier From David John Place Fri Mar 31 15:59:37 1995 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 15:59:37 -0600 (CST) From: David John Place Subject: Re: Cables for winches Nylon strap has been used for some tome as boat winch "cable" for boat trailers. It is fine, and it doesn't kink or develop little wire needles to stick in your hands. Dave VE4PN P.S. I was in the automotive jobbers today and the electrical fellow showed me a wonderful one lead alternator for about $90. That is the way I will go next time. The regulator is built in and the mounting is the same as the Delcotron type. Only one lead to the battery. From "WILLIAM L. LEACOCK" <75473.3572@compuserve.com> 31 95 Mar EST 1918 Date: 31 Mar 95 18:07:00 EST From: "WILLIAM L. LEACOCK" <75473.3572@compuserve.com> Subject: Misc Hank OKX 431H is an Aug. 1969/Jul 1970 first registration ( if it is the original vehicle) Charlie Safari top, you may find it cheaper and easier to find a LWB station Wagon top and shorten the roof to swb length, you can use the sides on a swb if you want the windows, they are the same length. alternatively swop the alpine lights and vents to a swb roof. The top skin has a line of spotwelds at the swb length, just drill them out ad you have swb skin. I expect in the UK to get a 109 Station wagon top for around 100 quid. ( a few weeks ago I bought a top for 75 quid. Teje ... speedo problem, could be related to the slippage of the drive wFrom rhcaldw@nma.mnet.uswest.com ( ROY CALDWELL ) Fri Mar 31 23:26:50 1995 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 95 23:26:50 MST From: rhcaldw@nma.mnet.uswest.com ( ROY CALDWELL ) Subject: Camel Trophy-Turkey Hi People! Got back from Army leadership training and survived the field training but really know that infantry is a game for young men. Tom Collins called this Tuesday and passed on an up-date for the Trophy. Today the team flew out to the International Trials in Turkey. He expressed a great deal of confidence in the four team members and how they will do in the trials. His opinion was that any combination of the four will make a good solid US team for Central America and the Ruta Maya. Tom passed on some info about how the International is conducted. Over the three plus days of activities there are judges at all of the stations. They score each candidate and using some form of computer program produce a preformance print-out. From this book on each candidate Tom and, probably, Bill Baker make their choices for the final two. In addition Tom indicated that the two journalist are ask for their opinions. As has been mentioned some of the judges are former SAS people and others are past Camel Team members from various countries. The four that got to make the trip are: Jim Swett, Daphne Greene, Tom Davenport and Jonah Houston. The journalist are Sue Meade- free lance motor-trades writer and Erik Schlegal of the Dallas Morning News. In addition we should see some pieces in USA Today. I hope Tom will call me when they get back so I can pass on who the final team is. For those interested there is a rep from LRNA customer service that lurks on this list. So for those that have newer Rovers and have talked about likes - dislikes and things of that nature your comments are getting to the people at LRNA. That is about it for me It's good to be back on the list. Oh, the head on my 69 is rebuilt, correctly this time, and will go on just as soon as I finish helping clean up a part of the highway with the Cub Scout pack. So this boy will have a Rover back under his butt real soon. Roy - Rovers in the Rockies Going Mobile Again From Roger Sinasohn Sun Apr 2 13:50:40 1995 Date: Sun, 2 Apr 1995 13:50:40 -0700 From: Roger Sinasohn Subject: Re: .gif's on the RoverWEB > How do you access the RoverWeb page? aol does not yet have access to the World Wide Web. I believe they're working on it. Compuserve is also working on this... They're going to have PPP access via a compuserve account shortly, and they recently acquired SPRY (I think), so I expect we'll see a mosaic-like web browser built into their CIM products. For those with shell accounts on a unix box (CRL, Netcom, etc.) I *highly* recommend SlipKnot. This is a shareware program that lets you access the web graphically by working with Lynx running on your unix host. It requires Windows, and is a bit slower than a Mosaic/Slip connection, but it works great and what it does is simply incredible. It's available in the simtel archive (I got my copy at FTP.CDROM.COM (Walnut Creek CD-ROM) in the /pub/simtel/win3/(something) directory.) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California From rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig) Sat Apr 01 19:53:59 1995 Date: Sat, 01 Apr 95 19:53:59 -0500 From: rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig) Subject: Land Rover for Sale Britains D90 #9923 for sale, mint boxed, British Telecom yellow version. USD 25 plus shipping to you Robin Craig -- Robin Craig, rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca FourFold Symmetry, Ottawa, Ont. | Ottawa Valley Land Rovers From rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig) Sat Apr 01 19:56:05 1995 Date: Sat, 01 Apr 95 19:56:05 -0500 From: rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig) Subject: NEW STAMP COMING There is soon to be a release of stamps from Tristan Da Cuhna. A set of four stamps on local transport. One is a Defender 110 station wagon with winch. If you want a set or a first day cover or both let me know, no price as yet. I will cut this order of at 6pm edt Tuesday 4th april. Robin Craig -- Robin Craig, rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca FourFold Symmetry, Ottawa, Ont. | Ottawa Valley Land Rovers From RICKCRIDER@aol.com Mon Apr 3 03:32:40 1995 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 03:32:40 -0400 From: RICKCRIDER@aol.com Subject: Rover VIN plates. I have two VI N number plates. One is for a 1970 Series llA, 88", VIN #24439966G. I used to own this Rover. I understand it now belongs to a Sheriffs Deputy or Sheriffs Dept. Employee in Knoxville Tenn. If anyone in the Knoxville area knows this guy I would like for this plate to go to it's proper owner. The other VIN plate is from a 109" llA, VIN # 26403986B. I know absolutely nothing about this Rover or the plate. It was in a box of misc rover trivia I bought at a car show. Thanks. Rick Crider '73 lll / 88" '88 Range Rover Monroe NC From Benjamin Allan Smith Sun Apr 02 22:48:55 1995 Date: Sun, 02 Apr 1995 22:48:55 -0700 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Subject: Land Rover Web page I haven't noticed anyone else posting this... http://www.dealernet.com/l_rover/l_rover.html From looking at it is mostly has Disocovery information for now, but may have links to other models in the futute. Nice Disco photo. Under Discovery performance, however, is a photo of Camel Trophy Defender (nice photo, but under the wrong heading. (the same page does have 2 other Disco photos). Other stuff on Warranties and a short "the Land Rover Story" This is a must see, even just for the photos. -Benjamin Smith ---------------- Science Applications Internation Corporation Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil 1972 Land Rover Series III 88 From "Anthony J. Bonanno" <75034.3062@compuserve.com> 03 95 Apr EDT 1900 Date: 03 Apr 95 00:19:05 EDT From: "Anthony J. Bonanno" <75034.3062@compuserve.com> Subject: Shocks (USA) for LR IIA 88 ? The heavy duty shocks that I installed 22 years ago have finally worn out. Anyone have any recommendations for an over-the-counter replacement shock here in the States?? I can always order the LR part from Rovers North, etc., but thought that there might be something else out there of comparable quality (less costly would be nice too) that I should consider. My LR is a 71 88" Series IIA. Thanks in advance! Tony Bonanno Santa Fe, NM From sohearn@InterServ.Com Sun Apr 2 18:10:19 1995 Date: Sun, 2 Apr 95 18:10:19 PDT From: sohearn@InterServ.Com Subject: D90 for '95 Got a chance to see the new '95 D90 finally. The standard soft top, a fastback design, looks pretty strange, sort of like the Isuzu Amigo. Like the new full soft top it is a Bestop product. The front turn signal lamps have been relocated to the lower lamp of two next to each headlight (formerly a parking lamp). It is larger in size and no longer matches its sibling above. The rear lamps are round (still three on the left, two on the right) but located as before. Will LR redesign the rear lamp guards? The rears are of the same style as the new front turn signal lamps. The front door trim panels are a little different and now include map pockets while the tailgate has a trim panel and pocket for the first time. The mechanism which limits how far the front doors open has been changed as well. The forward safari cage's rear slanted supports are now covered such that all metal is covered. Apparently the attachment method and its mounting position are different as well (the fibreglass hard top requires a mod when installed on a '94). The tires are BFG All-Terrain T/A's. In addition the stereo can accept a CD changer and sub-woofer. Some other option changes have been made as well. I expect for '96 we'll see lighted vanity mirrors ;-). - Stephen p.s. My local LR dealer, after inviting me to the new Range Rover 4.0SE private opening, has invited me to a LR sponsered (?) polo match. I don't know where I went wrong but I'm gonna try and get as much mud/dirt on my Defender as I can before I go so I can get maximum shock value. From Roger Sinasohn Sun Apr 2 13:50:32 1995 Date: Sun, 2 Apr 1995 13:50:32 -0700 From: Roger Sinasohn Subject: Re: Vent controls for IIA Rover >>the older style bulkhead vent "openers" - the ones that you turn the knob > why would you want them, they seem the crappiest way to open the vents With the levers, you have maybe 6 or 7 positions at the most. With the knobs, you can exactly set the amount of vent opening you want. Far more precise than the levers. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California From S|ren Vels Christensen Sun Apr 2 02:14:01 1995 Date: Sun, 2 Apr 1995 02:14:01 +0200 (METDST) From: S|ren Vels Christensen Subject: Re: Series III and unleaded fuel? On Fri, 31 Mar 1995, Steven Siccama wrote: > Hi Jan, > >Could it be the guy is right? Or should I have the head rebuilt with [ truncated by lro-digester (was 16 lines)] > Steven > Amsterdam Netherlands Hi FWIW: I ran Lawrence ('76 sIII) on 92oct unleaded for about 6 months without damage. Then my brother bought a '73 and ran it on unleaded also. He called the agent to ask for advise. The agent said that there is only a very little chance that damage should occur but he would not officialy reccomend unleaded fuel. If you have the guts to experiment try to fill leaded every second time. It's nice that people think about the environment. But take into consideration that lead volume is only a fraction af the volume ten or more years ago. But ofcourse if you rebuild the head (on the car) you might consider to have the engine repacked while you are at it. Then you can more or less forget about it for the next 15-20 years. Good luck sv/aurens From Russell Burns Sat Apr 1 13:40:17 1995 Date: Sat, 1 Apr 95 13:40:17 PST From: Russell Burns Subject: D-90 destroys tire I was out skidding logs in my backy yard this afternoon, when I managed to destroy a tire. One of those 164r75 16 bfgoodrich MT monster mudders... So off to the tire store I did run, only to discover this tire need to be special ordered, come at a paltry price of $200.00 a each, and will take 2 weeks to order. The BF Goodrich MT's come at a tune of $160.00 and are in stock. Since I do a lot of hi-way driving, I decided to re-shoe the beast with the AT's, and save the four good MT's for a rainy day, or some good mud north of the border. Russ Burns D-90 4/5 of the tires hold air. R-Rover From gpool@pacific.pacific.net (Granville B. Pool) Sat Apr 1 09:03:20 1995 Date: Sat, 1 Apr 1995 09:03:20 -0800 From: gpool@pacific.pacific.net (Granville B. Pool) Subject: Snow-Run-One; Part 1 Sorry to have taken so long to get started on this story but this week has been very busy. I will post each installment on the Left-Coast Rover-Net and then post it the following day on lro@team.net. Many of you on lro@team.net will remember my four-part story of the first Scouting Outing, a month or so ago. Part 1, Into the Unknown, Winter Style: I tell you, this winter will be one we'll all remember. Not just because of the most gnarly weather that any of us can remember experiencing in this part of the world but also because of what we did with it. This will be remembered as the winter that brought an amazing group of hard-core Land-Rover aficionados together for some outrageous gonzo off-roading. And it will be remembered as the winter in which we began to discover the remarkable resource on our doorstep, the Mendocino National Forest. At the rate we are going, it's going to take many years to explore it all. Then we can start in on the Six Rivers National Forest and a few of the others. Ain't California great? Melanie and I took a trip to the southeast last summer. I studied the maps to check out the wild places we might want to visit. I was startled to realize that there isn't much of that sort of thing toward the right coast. Made me realize just how lucky we are to live where there is so much excellent public land near at hand. Our first scouting outing had been plagued by delays due to the bad weather and the second outing was similarly beset. We put it off a full month beyond when we had originally planned to go. Several who might have gone earlier were ruled out by the time we went because they were getting ready to go to Baja soon (Domingos Dias, Brad Blevins, and maybe others). For one reason or another, several others also fell away. At one point, it sounded like we would have 16-20 LROs on this run; about half that many made it. We did a little better this time at meeting on time and getting ourselves headed out reasonably early. But the fact remains that these get-togethers are just that. When we get together, the visiting tends to take precedence over the four-wheeling. So be it. We enjoy visiting. This time we started by having breakfast together at R&J's (dba Dottie's) Cafe in Upper Lake. Dick Hamilton and I convoyed to Upper Lake, expecting to find most LROs there already. We found Jason LaBranch's Land-Rover but not Jason. We went into the cafe and grabbed the biggest round table in the place (it later proved to be not nearly big enough). Eventually two other local LROs, Aaron Wright of Upper Lake and Bill McDow of Scotts Valley, joined us but only to send us off. Dick, too, headed back home after breakfast (no heater). Walt Swain and John Hess from Davis came along, once again doubling in Walt's Toyota pee-coupe. Jason wandered in, along with Morgan Hannaford, Bruce Bonar, Vance Chin, Jim Russell, and Gerry Mugele (with Brother Bob). The breakfast took a goodly while, as did the fueling, etc. But we had reassembled at the Ranger Station and decided on a route, all by 10:00 A.M.--a considerable improvement over last time! We had probably dawdled some, waiting to see if Ben Smith would show up. We were sure that he intended to be there but no one had heard from him. Well, we had to move on; if Ben showed up, he would have to try to find us (yeah, right). We headed up Elk Mountain Road, as before, but continued on to the intersection of M-10, the main west to east route across the southern part of the forest. By the time we got to Bear Creek Road (the first section of M-10), we were into pretty deep snow (elevation about 1,000 meters or some 3,200 feet). We had to stop at the intersection and consider awhile. Do we really want to do this? Can we do this? There WERE tracks; someone had gone into Bear Creek Road... We decided: Nothing ventured, nothing bent. So we headed down Bear Creek Road, following the tracks that were too wide for my Dodge Dakota (ugh, I'll explain later), let alone the super-narrow Land-Rovers, so we were pretty much breaking trail anyway. And we didn't get far before the tracks turned around and doubled back on themselves. Virgin snow; YES!!!! Unfortunately, our group was also liberally sprinkled with virgin snow-drivers as far as off-roading was concerned. We slipped and slid, fishtailed and spun. We grinned from ear to ear, an affliction that was to become downright worrysome as the weekend wore on 8^] We soon were able to test Vance's sand ladders (which are really not ladders but heavy steel mats which were origninally used to assemble makeshift airfields for the military) and break in our shovels (and shovers, i.e. hands). A lot. One sharp downhill turn gave my Dodge enough trouble to get me quite sideways and Jason's fat-tired Land-Rover as well. A little farther on, on an uphill turn, Gerry was the one having trouble, rather to my surprise, since his Series III 88 was shod with some very fine-looking Michelin 7.50x16s with a fairly agressive tread. But he just couldn't seem to get up around this turn. Particularly embarassing as he was right behind Walt's Toy which had no trouble (and it shod with 31x10.50x15s!!) So good old Walt, who obviously was the superior snow driver, graciously slipped into Gerry's driver's seat while Gerry and Bob stood by and watched him back this cherry Land-Rover into a ditch, against a high bank, and get it properly stuck. See how it's done, now, Gerry? No harm actually done. Enough help had come along to get Gerry going again (plenty of time, as Jason was in trouble again farther down, anyway). Meanwhile, I pulled ahead and caught up with the leaders (Vance and Morgan) who had parked on a relatively flat stretch. I was concerned about them, too, as they were making noises about "vapor lock" over the CBs. Vapor lock in this coolth? When I got there I found out what Morgan's version of vapor lock was. Fortunately, this type can be cured be a pint of best bitter. Eventually everyone caught up and enjoyed a well-earned vapor lock session. As best I can remember through the ale and stout, no significant problems were encountered for the rest of the trek down to the Rice Fork (of the Eel River) crossing. The sight of this crossing caused everyone to accrue additional increments of severe vapor lock. The hungry-giant had also attacked by this time and the bank of the river looked like a very pleasant place for lunch. This crossing is at roughly 2,100 feet and was below the snow line. The sun was beating down quite warmly. The scenery was fabulous. The company was as good as it gets (well almost, but more about that later). True to form, we dug into our tucker bags and spent about two hours over lunch, all the while, of course, studying each other's Rovers and pondering the big question that was on everyone's mind. Can we cross this river? Could we? Certainly not at the official crossing which was about 50 or more feet wide with steep banks about four feet or so high. Not crossing there until the Forest Service reconstructs the ford. But just upstream, by following a narrow gravel bar on our side, we could get to an unofficial ford that trespassed on private land. Walt had used (by invitation) this crossing on his private outing a few weeks earlier. We discussed this possibility with the occupants (who may or may not have borne any relation to the actual owners but who bore a definite resemblance to characters out of Deliverance-- Bong-ba-BONG-bong-bong) and essentially paid a "toll" from our vapor lock provender. Ben showed up!!! That sucker tracked us down! He made it down, without anyone to assist him, in his ailing SIII 88 with blown head gasket (sounded like the bullgen make-and-break in Farley Mowatt's _The_Boat_Who_Wouldn't_Float_) and with complete spare engine in the back (not to mention nearly bald front tires). You heard me, a spare engine!! You know how you always struggle with deciding what spares to pack? Well, Ben has resolved the dilemma; bring 'em all! Poor Ben had left a trail of smoke and oil on the highway but had not been dissuaded. A lesser enthusiast would have turned back when the crankcase emptied on the highway through the fuel pump seal. Not good old Ben. THAT fellow is GAME!! Not so Bob and Gerry. About time it was clear that some of these squirrels were actually thinking about attempting to ford the deep and rushing stream, cooler heads prevailed in THAT Rover and it headed back toward town. In fairness, as you will see in Part 2, I later found myself belatedly admiring their sensibiliy.... From ritter mark c <70472.1130@compuserve.com> 03 95 Apr EDT 1911 Date: 03 Apr 95 11:57:36 EDT From: ritter mark c <70472.1130@compuserve.com> Subject: Locking diffs for Disco Does anybody out there have a locking diff on their Disco? Is the ARB the only way to go or is thier an automatic unit available that I don't know of? Seems like the only times that I've had trouble on a trail has been a cross-axle situation where traction from both rear wheels would have fixed the problem. From "Russell G. Dushin" Mon Apr 3 12:49:37 1995 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 95 12:49:37 EDT From: "Russell G. Dushin" Subject: Re: D-90 destroys tire > Since I do a lot of hi-way driving, I decided to re-shoe the beast > with the AT's, and save the four good MT's for a rainy day, or > some good mud north of the border. none Aye, mates, he's committed himself now!!! see you there, rd/nigel From "Walter C. Swain" Mon Apr 3 10:02:26 1995 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 10:02:26 -0700 (PDT) From: "Walter C. Swain" Subject: Re: D-90 destroys tire >>>>> Russell Burns writes: > I was out skidding logs in my backy yard this afternoon, when I > managed to destroy a tire. One of those 164r75 16 bfgoodrich MT > monster mudders... none snip > Since I do a lot of hi-way driving, I decided to re-shoe the beast > with the AT's, and save the four good MT's for a rainy day, or > some good mud north of the border.> I am in a similar position, shopping for BF Goodrich ATs for my 109 and have found that there is a wide range in prices for the same tire. You may have a need and desire to support your local BF Goodrich dealer for whatever they'll do for you in the way of added value through better knowledge, service or what have you. If not, you can save a small fortune by shopping the mail order dealers and having them mounted and balanced at your local service station. The savings might pay for that ruined MT ;^> Walt Swain From "Mugele, Gerry" Mon Apr 03 10:15:00 1995 Date: Mon, 03 Apr 95 10:15:00 PDT From: "Mugele, Gerry" Subject: L-R Movie Sightings Okay so when are we going to publish our list? Here's another one and with portent of things to come (remember about a year ago when Jack Nicoholson, in real life assaulted the car of an offending motorist with a gold club?): The Passenger (1975), Dir: Michaelangelo Antonioni. Jack Nicholson bashes a LandRover with a shovel. From brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn) Mon Apr 3 10:34:47 1995 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 95 10:34:47 PDT From: brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn) Subject: Re: Locking diffs for Disco Maybe another solution would be a swaybar disconnect, but you'd probably have to make it yourself. Cheers John Brabyn 89RR From Benjamin Allan Smith Mon Apr 03 12:03:08 1995 Date: Mon, 03 Apr 1995 12:03:08 -0700 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Subject: New Land Rover Home Page Ok, I sent this out yesterday, but the list appears to be down. http://www.dealernet.com/l_rover/l_rover.html This seams to be put out by a bunch of Land Rover dealers. right now the information is mostly Discos, short LR story and warranty information. Lots of nice photos. Under performance, however, the first photo is a Camel Trophy Defender (a good photo btw). -Benjamin Smith ---------------- Science Applications Internation Corporation Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil 1972 Land Rover Series III 88 From "Lapa, Hank" Tue Mar 14 12:50:47 1995 Date: Tue, 14 Mar 95 12:50:47 EST From: "Lapa, Hank" Subject: Re[2]: Retractable Belts. Into "the bulkhead?" I am confused. I know what "bulkhead" means in a ship or an aeroplane, and I *thought* I knew what the "bulkhead" was in a L-R, but why would one attach seatbelts to the firewall/dashboard? I've got a set of the RN belts I bought years ago and still haven't put in, so enquiring minds want to know. Hank, 3.14259 (get it?) From "Russell G. Dushin" Mon Apr 3 16:04:40 1995 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 95 16:04:40 EDT From: "Russell G. Dushin" Subject: Re: Snow-Run-One; Part 1 > Sorry to have taken so long to get started on this story but this week has > been very busy. I will post each installment on the Left-Coast Rover-Net > and then post it the following day on lro@team.net. Many of you on > lro@team.net will remember my four-part story of the first Scouting Outing, > a month or so ago. Hmmmm. Left-Coast Rover-Net? Is this an all-exclusive club? Signs of a split list, perhaps? Oh well. More power to ya. Nice story, too. Please do post it on the regular list as well. rgds, rd/nigel (openly minded right coasters) From Mr Ian Stuart Mon Mar 13 16:25:56 1995 Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 16:25:56 +0000 From: Mr Ian Stuart Subject: SLROC Championship RTV The first Championship RTV of 1995 It was a cold and windy morning as I drove our VW Polo up the half mile dirt track to the meeting point for the RTV event. The site was fairly rough with morrain ridges of loose shale supporting tough grasses and a lot of water. There were about 30 vehicles with 40+ drivers all being scrutineered by the unstoppable Alex Lindsay (who had another appointment that day and was only there to check vehicles! - dedication!) The pack was split into two groups and off we headed. Group A, with myself as start marshall, were to start with section 1 and run through to section 5, whilst group B did 6 to 10. After lunch we swapped over & covered the other sections. Section 1. A small mud splash and then a hump and round to a drop over a 4' lip (gate 2) and up 6' of shale at a 70 degree slope to gate 0. A few people had slight difficulty with the turn into gate 2. Section 2. A tight left-hander, slopeing down to the right, between gates 12, 10 & 8 caught a few people. This was followed by a scrabbling climb up the loose embankment before dropping back down into a dog-leg and then through 0. Section 3. A shallow gully, dropping down across a track and then climbing up a 40 degree slope to get back up onto the plateau for gate 4. A tight turn in a hollow caused a few people to miss the 0 gate. Section 4. This was an interesting run along ridges with the competitors having to cross ridgebacks to get through the various gates. The mid-runners had probles with gate 10 (the shale was loose and the early runners had cut it up quite badly) until someone cottoned onto the idea of running along a ridgeback and powering *across* the slope to get through the 10. After dropping back down through 8, a wrong line turning into gate 6 caused several people to ram their bumpers into the hillside. Section 5. A lovely, easy section with a climb up onto a knoll and then dropping down, shoogle(~) through gate 4 before a gentle drive across the top of the pond and climb back up the embankment before turning down through the 0 gate. One brave (?) entrant decided to clean his vehicle by driving back to the lunch site through the pond and along the gully at the bottom of the embankment. GLUG! He entered the main part of the pond and sank into the silt. Due to the tilt of the vehicle, his seat was dry but his younger brother had to jump onto the seatbacks to get out of the water. We needed two vehicles to get him out again. After lunch, we attacked the sections that the other group had aready gone over. Section 6. THE WALL OF MUD. A shallow drop, through gate 10, a gentle swing round into.... a wall of mud. The 6 gate straddled a mud hole which was, by the end of the day, a glutinous pit 4' deep! Nobody in group A got through it - a 101 would have struggled to clear this hole! Section 7. This must have been quite easy as I don't remember much about it.... Section 8. This section had 2 noteable features: a cross-axleing gully (which caught more than one person) and a mud-slide just before the 0 gate. The gate was actually wide enough to get past the mud but the drivers had to be carefull leaving the number 2 gate to slip up onto the dryer side-slope. Section 9. Section 9 was nasty! A simple mud hole caught several folk who failed to have enough Umph to get up the exit slope and the final (0) gate was atop a mound, 8' to 10' up a 60 degree slope, slick with wet grass & mud. Section 10. This was another fairly easy run, snaking along the bottom of a ridge then turning left to climb to the top. A few canes were knocked over but it was a good run to end on. My condolences to Alison (who suffered several stalls in her coil-sprung, V8, series I) and to Graeham (who stalled with his wheels just through the 12 gate (resulting in a 10 score for section 8) My congratulations to the newcommers who had never trialed before - they all did well. Our lowest score for the day was 57, a good score for a novice taking on a tough course. Thanks go to the course builders and the marshals (hey - that includes me!), and to all the competitors for a great day. For those of you who want to turn up for the next one, either to spectate, marshal or drive, I'll post the date as soon as I get it...... -------------------------------------- (~) Shoole (v): A nimble, snake-like, wiggle that one does to get through a short twisty traverse ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer) +44 31 650 6205 Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. WWW sites: Work -- Play -- #======================================================================# From siccama@terena.nl Mon Apr 3 22:29:03 1995 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 22:29:03 +0200 From: siccama@terena.nl Subject: Springs Hi, Three years ago I bought four brand new original landrover springs for my 109 V8. They replaced the ones originally fitted by the factory who had lived for some 60,000 miles. Now, after only some 40,000 miles, the new ones are getting really tired, specially the rear ones. My neighbour who drives a Mercedes 508 van for his business has covered about 600,000 km with the same road springs. I really need new springs at the moment but I don't want to buy the genuine land rover springs anymore, cause I think they are of a very poor quality. Is there anybody who has tried to fit springs of any other make or had custom springs made? Looking forward to your reply. Cheers, Steven Amsterdam, the Netherlands From chrisste@clark.net (Chris Stevens) Mon Apr 3 15:01:33 1995 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 15:01:33 -0500 From: chrisste@clark.net (Chris Stevens) Subject: Erratic idling revisited Thanks to all who responded to my posting about uneven idling on my SRIIA 88". I spent the better half of the weekend rebuilding the Zenith 36IVE carb, a task that I had postponed for several weeks. Gee it wasn't that difficult afterall. Anyway, I got everything hooked back up and the beast started with ease. But, YIKES, the problem is still there. To review the situation, the vehicle will idle fine for several minutes...750-800 rpms...then all of a sudden lose rpms and nearly quit running. Sometimes it dies. If it doesn't die it usually pick up revs was above 800. What gives? Someone mentioned distributor. Ideas. Chris Chris Stevens 1969 SIIA 88" SW BCG Corporate Communications Towson, Maryland, USA (410) 583-1722 (410) 583-1935 (FAX) chrisste@Clark.net From rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig) Sat Apr 01 19:48:47 1995 Date: Sat, 01 Apr 95 19:48:47 -0500 From: rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig) Subject: LRNA LURKER Would the lurker from LRNA please identify him/herself please? Would the same please deny or confirm that LRNA are active in the area of compiling an "IDENTAROVER" book for US customs. Not a great surprise that LRNA are on, just a shame they cant be a bit more upfront about it all. My only conclusion is that they dont want to be deluged by incomings mail!! Over to you who ever you are Robin Craig -- Robin Craig, rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca FourFold Symmetry, Ottawa, Ont. | Ottawa Valley Land Rovers From Benjamin Allan Smith Mon Apr 03 13:38:02 1995 Date: Mon, 03 Apr 1995 13:38:02 -0700 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Subject: Re: Snow-Run-One; Part 1 Russel Dushin wrote: > > Sorry to have taken so long to get started on this story but this week has > > been very busy. I will post each installment on the Left-Coast Rover-Net > > and then post it the following day on lro@team.net. Many of you on > > lro@team.net will remember my four-part story of the first Scouting Outing, > > a month or so ago. > Hmmmm. Left-Coast Rover-Net? Is this an all-exclusive club? Signs of > a split list, perhaps? Oh well. More power to ya. The list was set up to avoid having huge cc lists and also to keep bandwidth off of the main list. I don't think all of you in Timbuktu would like to see 20+ messages a day on 20 or so people organizing a some small Land Rover trips. It is not intended to split away from the list, but just to help organize regional stuff, much like Bill's UK only list I assume. Most of the people on the the list live in or around Central California.With that said, if you want to be on, email me. Traffic for work days last week was (not including my posts) 18,28,14,19,14. The content is organizational stuff and friendly banter, much like this list was 2 years ago before it expanded from 50 to 300+ people. -Benjamin Smith ---------------- Science Applications International Corporation Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil 1972 Land Rover Series III 88 From Easton Trevor Mon Mar 13 08:53:00 1995 Date: Mon, 13 Mar 95 08:53:00 EST From: Easton Trevor Subject: Traction Control Traction control for 4x4 like Range Rovers operates by sensing the spinning rear wheel, by comparison with the other three, and applying the brake to that wheel so power is available to the others. Has anyone tried this as a manual system? Trials cars , dune buggies and tractors use differential braking (Fiddle brakes) to supplement traction. I have considered using a diagonal split braking system (Like Saabs) with a manual overide so that it can be operated as half a system. Then when the vehicle is cross axled and wheels are spinning, just brake those corners and away we go with the loaded wheels. A sort of inpecunious owners diff lock. Any opinions out there on this? Trevor Easton (mr gadget) and Miss Golightly 1962 88" SW From Dixon Kenner Mon Apr 3 16:47:05 1995 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 16:47:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Dixon Kenner Subject: Re: Snow-Run-One; Part 1 On Sat, 1 Apr 1995, Granville B. Pool wrote: > I will post each installment on the Left-Coast Rover-Net ??? Oh well... > I was startled to realize that there isn't much of that sort of > thing toward the right coast. Made me realize just how lucky we > are to live where there is so much excellent public land near at hand. Our mountains are very old, unlike the new formations on the left coast. Eroded and forested they are rather nice. There is also the Canadian shield to consider, mostly Crown lands, undeveloped... I can't speak for the central/southern bits of the right coast, but the northern bits are pretty impressive and beautiful. Good account. I look forward to reading the rest of the mission into the wilds. Rgds, From "walter c. swain (wcswain@wheel.ucdavis.edu)" Sun Apr 2 11:54:28 1995 Date: Sun, 2 Apr 1995 11:54:28 -0700 (PDT) From: "walter c. swain (wcswain@wheel.ucdavis.edu)" Subject: Discovery for sale Hi David, Since I have not seen a posting to the effect that you have parted with your Discovery, I assume you are still involved in the process of finding the right buyer at the right price. The Sacramento paper has had a classified ad for a Disco, inserted by the local Land Rover/Caddilac dealer. It reads as follows: Land Rover '94 Discov- ery. Hard to find! ID #087808 $29,977. Hubacher Cadillac 916-929-2777 I have not called or looked at it. However, I could stop by and get the specifics on goodies, mileage, etc. if you are interested. Eventually I'll be in the market for one of these as the prices come down out of the stratosphere. I do have a interest in keeping abreast of the market so I'll know a good deal when I see it. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Walter C. Swain | wcswain@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us Davis Community Network | Davis, California | 1967 Series IIA Safari SW From wz@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Wade Zumbach) Sun Apr 02 08:40:47 1995 Date: Sun, 02 Apr 95 08:40:47 -0500 From: wz@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Wade Zumbach) Subject: MOUNTING A WEBER 45DCOE ON A 2.25L PET. LAND ROVER. Hello all! I usually just lurk around here but I thought that I would like to get your comments on what I'm about to try. I have purchase a Weber 45DCOE dual throat side draght carb type #13, #1 G, with the cold start option. I have tried to get a manifold for this single carb mounting application but I have not been abble to find one, so this means that I will have to manufacture my own. So I have given this much thought since I purchased the carb in Oct/94, so far the best mounting that I can come up with goes something like this: I will use a square tube section 1.75" OD with 1/8" wall to this I'll attach the carb, then to that square tube section (about 13" long) at a 90 deg angle I will attach shorter square tube section to arrive at the intake ports (wich are round) on the cyl. head in order to make a smoother transition from the square tube section of the intake manifold to the round intake ports I would heat up the ends & round off the ends of the intake manifold (where the would mate to the cyl.head) thus making a smooth transition from square to round. Just for the record the dimensions of the carb are: 5 1/4" from bottom to top, the mounting surfaces are (trought the throats) 4 3/4". the butterfly valve side of the carb, each throat dia. is 1 3/4". The intake ports are only 1 1/2" in dia. so this means that the shorter square tube sections will likely also need to be 1 1/2". this should all mount to a plate that I would use to cover the exhust manifold heat exchanger thus keeping the factory set-up. I will be mounting this on my 1971 serIIA 88" 2.25L petrol, safari station wagon, that has no OD, on 7.50 X 16" Trac Edges. I would welcome any input on this matter, but I would not be ready to do all these likely modifications till June/95. I have curently got a Rochester carb on the Land Rover & it is in sad shape. Thanks in advance for any comments on this matter! Wade Z. Ottawa, Ontario, Canada. -- Wade Zumbach, wz@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca FourFold Symmetry, Ottawa, Ont. | Ottawa Valley Land Rovers From Roger Sinasohn Sun Apr 2 13:50:59 1995 Date: Sun, 2 Apr 1995 13:50:59 -0700 From: Roger Sinasohn Subject: Fw: Talking Frog (fwd) This had me laughing so loud, I had to forward it to everyone I knew. Hope you all find it just as hillarious! ---- Forwarded from brian@zvs.com (Brian Miller): none A friend of mine forwarded this to me and I thought that you might enjoy it or at least know others who would enjoy it. Surf's up Dude Brian > > A boy was crossing a road one day when a frog called out to him > > and said, "If you kiss me, I'll turn into a beautiful princess." [ truncated by lro-digester (was 18 lines)] > > said, "Look, I'm a computer programmer. I don't have time for > > girlfriends, but a talking frog is really cool." ---- End of forwarded message ---- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California From LANDROVER@delphi.com Sun Apr 02 01:36:08 1995 Date: Sun, 02 Apr 1995 01:36:08 -0500 (EST) From: LANDROVER@delphi.com Subject: Re: Misc Bill Leacock reports... > NB I will be closed for questions from the 8th to 22nd April, my wife is > visiting from the UK for a couple of weeks, she wants to go shopping !!!!, > so if you need anything from me get it in early. Shopping from the 8th to the 22nd??? Yow! That puts her in the major leagues.. Good luck, Bill.. Cheers Mike From "Russell G. Dushin" Mon Apr 3 17:30:13 1995 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 95 17:30:13 EDT From: "Russell G. Dushin" Subject: Re: Erratic idling revisited > To review the situation, the vehicle will idle fine for several > minutes...750-800 rpms...then all of a sudden lose rpms and nearly quit [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)] > above 800. What gives? Someone mentioned distributor. > Ideas. I'll reiterate one mentioned by others before.....clogged fuel delivery pipe/filter somewhere between the fuel tank and the fuel pump (or beyond) . Remove at the tank, remove incoming fuel line at the pump, clean it, blow air through it, etc........these are the exact symptoms. rd/nigel From LANDROVER@delphi.com Sun Apr 02 01:35:46 1995 Date: Sun, 02 Apr 1995 01:35:46 -0500 (EST) From: LANDROVER@delphi.com Subject: Re: Fitting an overdrive Mark sez... > I'm trying to fit my overdrive unit to my SIII. Has anyone managed to fit > an overdrive WITHOUT using the special spanner/wrench to remove the > mainshaft nut??? Can be done, although you may not like the cheap and dirty method.. First, bend back the locktabs that hold the nut locked.. Then use a brass drift (or a big screwdriver) and a heavy hammer to loosen the nut.. Bang, Bang and it comes loose.. Simple.. and if you really screw it up, you can always get a new nut.. Don't worry.. You won't screw it up... Cheers Michael Loiodice E-MAIL landrover@delphi.com 166 W.Fulton St. VOICE (518) 773-2697 Gloversville NY, 12078 1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern) R.I.P. 7 1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol #:-}> 1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol From "Jeff Young" Mon Apr 03 17:35:39 1995 Date: Mon, 03 Apr 1995 17:35:39 -0400 From: "Jeff Young" Subject: Re: LRNA LURKER when someone posted that they had a new domain registered i checked it out. They're a uunet customer but they haven't brought up a host yet - mail to landrover.com bounces. Jeff Young young@mci.net From rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig) Sat Apr 01 19:51:37 1995 Date: Sat, 01 Apr 95 19:51:37 -0500 From: rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig) Subject: Land Rovers in Print Have seen an advert in MACLEANS magazine for Soth Africa, one picture shows rhinos in the Sabi Sabi game reserve, being viewd from a 109 S3. Appears quite regularily this one does. Robin Craig -- Robin Craig, rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca FourFold Symmetry, Ottawa, Ont. | Ottawa Valley Land Rovers From Sanna@aol.com Mon Apr 3 17:41:13 1995 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 17:41:13 -0400 From: Sanna@aol.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: Retractable Belts. >I *thought* I knew what the "bulkhead" was in a L-R, but why would one attach seatbelts to the firewall/dashboard? I think what we're talking of here is the bulkhead behind the front seats. From mccauley@hba.trumpet.com.au (Tim McCauley) Sun Apr 2 14:58:10 1995 Date: Sun, 2 Apr 1995 14:58:10 LOCAL From: mccauley@hba.trumpet.com.au (Tim McCauley) Subject: Hello! and It's Stuck... Hello to all, We are new to the List (Tim and Jenny). Just lurking so far but now it's time to introduce ourselves. The proud owners of a IIa fitted with a flat tray body. The Landy is currently receiving some (much needed) TLC and a good deal of (much deserved) verbal abuse. The main job at hand is the installation of a steering mechanism. We use the term installation because we couldn't bring ourselves to dignify the loosely connected pieces of metal being replaced with the description "steering". The only parts _not_ being replaced between the steering wheel and the road wheels are the track rod, the longitudinal link tube and the drop arm and relay levers. Our big headache at the moment is getting the transfer unit out of the front chassis member. The manual simply says undo the bolts and drive it out with a brass drift, applying oil if it is stiff. STIFF :-] Pardon me while I gag laughing. Well yes it is stiff. The four inch brass drift we started with is now a two inch brass drift and we have drilled the chassis and flooded the sleeve the transfer unit fits in with penetrating oil. It's still not budging . :-{ Any ideas ? By the way, are there any other Tasmanians on the list? Tim and Jenny (or Jenny and Tim depending on who you ask) From Spenny@aol.com Sat Apr 1 11:48:01 1995 Date: Sat, 1 Apr 1995 11:48:01 -0500 From: Spenny@aol.com Subject: Re: Down East Rally - Owls Head Trevor writes regarding downeast 6: >Starting Saturday July 1st with Off Road day, >various activities, then Sunday at Owls Head as usual I have spoken to myles, and will post something with details times/places/etc about the rally in a week or so, I have semi-regular contact with myles so if you or anybody else has questions regarding downeast, you can direct them to me and i can pass them along or answer them if i know the answer. As for a distinguishing feature, i was going to put a color printout of our most excellent sign on my windscreen at the rally. i will see if i can print some extras... Rgds... Spenny Spencer K. C. Norcross Spenny@aol.com Haverhill, Mass. USA 508-373-1788 (W) 508-521-4093 (H) 508-521-1380 (FAX) ===--===---===---===---===---===---===---===---===--=== 1969 IIA SWB - The Wayback Machine Now with most of the Federally requred electrics! Land Rovers on the Information Superhighway! What will they think of nextFrom Spenny@aol.com Sat Apr 1 11:48:03 1995 Date: Sat, 1 Apr 1995 11:48:03 -0500 From: Spenny@aol.com Subject: Re: Wheels/Paint color schemes Phil asks about wheel color, and since i am getting close to painting, i have some questions. First I should explain about my rover-the PO painted it black, originally it was poppy red (the interior still is) the roof is still limestone, but the sides are maroon primer. I am going to paint it poppy red, but am unsure what bits to paint what color so here are my questions 1st, - there is no white, only limestone, Correct? 2nd, - wheels are always painted limestone except for SVOs? 3rd, - door tops are body colour? 4th, - Rear door gets painted body colour? 5th - window side-panels get painted limestone or body colour? if this is any help it is an export LHD Late IIA 1969 SWB Rgds... Spenny Spencer K. C. Norcross Spenny@aol.com Haverhill, Mass. USA 508-373-1788 (W) 508-521-4093 (H) 508-521-1380 (FAX) ===--===---===---===---===---===---===---===---===--=== 1969 IIA SWB - The Wayback Machine Now with most of the Federally requred electrics! Land Rovers on the Information Superhighway! What will they think of next! From Benjamin Allan Smith Mon Apr 03 15:14:04 1995 Date: Mon, 03 Apr 1995 15:14:04 -0700 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Subject: Re: LRNA LURKER In message <199504032137.WAA00890@chunnel.uk.stratus.com>you wrote: > when someone posted that they had a new domain registered > i checked it out. They're a uunet customer but they [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)] > haven't brought up a host yet - mail to landrover.com > bounces. I checked last week and got the same answer. rs.internic.net had the domain name, but no IP (that's issued by another organization.) I just checked and they have an IP number. It looks like thay have the C class subnet 204.253.87.*. A broadcast ping, however, brings back nothing, so it appears that they don't have a machine that handles icmp traffic up yet. Here's the internic info (and I think the update date is really 3 April 95 not 3 Mar) gopher: (rs.internic.net) InterNIC Registration Services -> InterNIC Registration Archives -> pub -> rwhois anonymous ftp: (rs.internic.net) /pub/rwhois Cmdinter Ver 1.3 Mon Apr 3 18:02:30 1995 EST [xterms] InterNIC > whois landrover Connecting to the rs Database . . . . . . Connected to the rs Database Land Rover North America Inc. (NET-LANDROVER) 4390 Parliament Place Lanham, MD 20706 US Netname: LANDROVER Netnumber: 204.253.87.0 Coordinator: Awalt, Andrew (AA91) postmaster@LANDROVER.COM (301) 731-8529 Record last updated on 03-Mar-95. -Benjamin Smith ---------------- Science Applications International Corporation Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil 1972 Land Rover Series III 88 From rpeng@cadev6.intel.com Mon Apr 3 16:16:11 1995 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 95 16:16:11 PDT From: rpeng@cadev6.intel.com Subject: re: D-90 destroys tire If you're interested in getting some new BF Goodrich tires, the Super Shops are having a tire-sale. I got four 30 inch Radial All-Terrains at just $80 each. Currently they probably have the best prices around on BFG's. I am not affiliated with the Super Shops in any way, just a customer. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger Peng (408)765-7863 Intel Corporation Design Technology, Physical CAD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Lloyd Allison Tue Apr 4 09:57:58 1995 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 09:57:58 +1000 From: Lloyd Allison Subject: films This is the film list I have collected to date see: Land-Rover (look under films or try the contents page) additions, corrections and extra details welcome. btw. anyone interested in films should visit the Cardiff movie database http://www.cm.cf.ac.uk/Movies/ I have a challenge for the collective might of the LRO list: how can we get a some (legal) stills or a quicktime movie excerpt of LRs in some of the best LR films such as The Gods ..., or 4 Weddings and a Funeral ? Lloyd Dept. of Computer Science, Monash University, Clayton, Victoria 3168, AUSTRALIA tel: 61 3 905 5205 fax: 61 3 905 5146 email: lloyd@cs.monash.edu.au ----- %T An Angel at My Table %D 1990 %K Angel at my table, film, movie, Frame, Land-Rover %X Look fast, real fast, and you'll see backlit shot of L-R as N.Z. writer Janet Frame character narrates journey segue. From: Mark Perry (email: rxq281@winnie.freenet.mb.ca) [2/'95] %T Clarence The Cross-Eyed Lion. %D 1965 %K Clarence, Disney(?), film, movie, Land-Rover, ST %X ...my favourite scene has Clarence driving an open-top S1 or S2 through a couple's safari campsite. The wife exclaims `wasn't that a lion driving a jeep?' and the husband says `It was a Land-Rover actually.' - Michael Loiodice landrover@delphi.com 2/95 %T Cliffhanger. %D 1993 %K Cliff hanger, cliff hanger, film, movie, Stallone, Sly, LWB, Land-Rover %X Sylvester Stallone drives a 109 - David Brown (debrown@srp.gov) [3/'95] %T Close Encounters of the Third Kind. %D 1977 %K Close Encounters, Land-Rover, film, movie %X Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 23:25:37 -0500 (EST) Another movie - in the opening scenes of "Close Encounters" there is a shot of a Rover driving through some sort of sandstorm... - Mike From: LANDROVER@delphi.com %T Crack In The World %D 1965 %K Crack, world, film, movie, Land-Rover %X Date: 02 Feb 95 08:51:30 EST ... Crack in the World (which is also loaded with Land Rovers) ... - R. Pierce Reid From: Pierce Reid (70004.4011@compuserve.com) %T Cry Freedom %D 1987 %K Cry Freedom, film, movie, South Africa, SA, Land-Rover, SA %X Movie about South Africa featured S.A. police using various models of L-R as squad vehicles and paddy wagons. From: Mark Perry (email: rxq281@winnie.freenet.mb.ca) [2/'95] %T Darling Buds of May %D 1993 ? %K Darling buds of May, TV, series, UK, Land-Rover %X UK TV series, once featured a pristine S1 From: Mark Perry (email: rxq281@winnie.freenet.mb.ca) [2/'95] %T Dr. No %D 1962 %K Doctor No, Dr., James Bond, Sean Connery, Ursula Andress, film, movie, Land-Rover %X First James Bond movie featured tricked-up L-R as flamethrower equipped "dragon." [LA: always wondered what was under that.] From: Mark Perry (email: rxq281@winnie.freenet.mb.ca) [2/'95] %T Dr. Who %D 1960's 1970's %K Doctor Who, Dr., UK, TV, series, science fiction, SciFi, time travel, Land-Rover %X misc' LRs esp' for `Unit' elite (?) military squad. %T The Dogs of War. %D 1980 %K Dogs of War, film, movie, Land-Rover %X I caught bits and pieces of THE DOGS OF WAR with Cristopher Walken while surfing the TV last night. Old Landys everywhere, although the line `Your Jeep is waiting, sir' pops up from time to time. They must have corraled every Land Rover in Costa Rica when they shot this thing. From: Sanna@aol.com [3/95] %T Dry White Season %D 1989 %K Cry Freedom, film, movie, South Africa, SA, Land-Rover, SA %X Movie about South Africa featured S.A. police using various models of L-R as squad vehicles and paddy wagons. From: Mark Perry (email: rxq281@winnie.freenet.mb.ca) [2/'95] %T Four Weddings and a Funeral. %D 1994 %K Four, film, movie, UK, Grant, MacDowell, comedy, funny, Land-Rover, S2, SWB, HT, 110, SW %X Features a series 2 or 2A SWB HT, especially in the opening minutes (great dialogue too). Also a glimpse of a 110 Station-Wagon at one of the weddings. ***** %T FX %D mid 1980's ? %K FX, film, movie, Brown, Dennehy, Range Rover, RR %X Brian Brown, Brian Dennehy drive off in white Range Rover in final shot. From: Mark Perry (email: rxq281@winnie.freenet.mb.ca) [2/'95] %T The Gods Must be Crazy. %D 1980 %K Gods, God, film, movie, comedy, Africa, Land-Rover, S1, SWB %X S1 SWB (the anti-christ) should have won an Oscar for best leading vehicle. Highlights - the broken hand-brake sequence, LR winching itself up a tree, the bushman driving the LR in reverse. ***** %T Heart-Beat %D 1993- %K Heart Beat, TV, UK, Yorkshire, series, Land-Rover S1, S2 %X UK TV series about a policeman and his doctor wife in rural Yorkshire. Features several S1s and S2s, not to mention the barmaid's bubble car. %T Ice Cold in Alex %D 1959 %K Ice Cold in Alex, film, movie, Mills, Sims, blunder, mistake, Land-Rover %X Great war drama, British, stars John Mills, Sylvia Sims. Set in WWII, but closing shot catches L-R parked on sidestreet! From: Mark Perry (email: rxq281@winnie.freenet.mb.ca) [2/'95] [LA: 1st production LR in 1948!] %T Killer Force %D 1975 %K killer force, film, movie, Fonda, Savalas, Lee, Adams, war, Land-Rover, S3, LWB %X Peter Fonda, Telly Savalas, Christopher Lee, Maud Adams, S2 and S3 LWBs, lots of LR action -- John R. Benham benham@wfoclan.usbm.gov 1/95 %T Lethal Ninja %D ? %K Lethal Ninja, film, movie, S3, SWB, LWB, SW, Land-Rover %X set in Africa: ninja in back of 109 gives guy the death grip; 2 blown up LRs 88 and 109; S3 109 SW (heroes') - Morgan Hannaford (morgan@nature.Berkeley.edu) [3/95] (who is embarassed for having watched this one) %T The Living Daylights. %D 1987 %K Living, James Bond, 007, film, movie, Dalton, d'Abo, adventure, Land-Rover, S3, SWB, ST %X In the opening sequence 007 battles an enemy agent on and in an army S3 SWB ST on Gibraltar. The vehicle plunges over a cliff killing the enemy while 007 bails out, to a happy landing, with the aid of a parachute. Near the end of the film, the Russian army in Afghanistan seems to have mysteriously acquired at least one S3 LWB. The regulation Aston-Martin is also featured and the vodka martini is `shaken not stirred'. James Bond 007 Timothy Dalton Kara Milovy Maryam d'Abo Producers A. R. Broccoli and ? Director John Glenn *** %T The Man With The Golden Gun. %D 1974 %K Man, golden gun, film, movie, Moore, Land-Rover, S2, S2A, LWB %X Hong Kong police arrive at a murder scene in a nice S2/S2A 109 with a tropical roof and police paint scheme - Jimmy Patrick jimmyp@cksp.demon.co.uk 1/95 %T Mogambo %D ? %K Mogambo, Gable, S1, movie, film, Africa, Land-Rover %X The local PBS station ran "Mogambo" a couple times in the last week or so. I was surprised to see Ol' Clark at the wheel of what must've been a fairly new Series I, all the while stealing the wife of the hapless Brit he was escorting into deepest darkest Africa. Could this have been the earliest L-R appearance in a major picture? - Hank Lapa (hlapa@Zeus.signalcorp.com) [4/'95] %T Mountain Rescue %D 1994 ? %K mountain rescue, TV, USA, Land-Rover, S3 %X recent adventure show pilot had Robert Conrad driving a super equipped S3 From: Mark Perry (email: rxq281@winnie.freenet.mb.ca) [2/'95] %T Orca %D 1977 %K Orca, film, movie, Charlotte Rampling, Derek, Land-Rover %X - Roger Sinasohn sinasohn@crl.com 1/95 Cast includes Charlotte Rampling (owns the L-R) and Bo Derek - T.F.Mills tomills@du.edu %T Outbreak %D 1995 %K Outbreak, film, movie, LWB, Land-Rover %X In the opening scenes you see some mercenaries driving a topless 3 door (?) 109 driving away from the camera in the background. I few minutes later they have a fuel air explosion and you see the shock wave hit the side of a SII/SIIA Land Rover (the front of the LR is facing the camera). The nice thing is that the scene is 1967 and they actually had a period Land Rover. Very refreshing. I found the rest of the movie entertaining and would watch it again. - Benjamin Allan Smith (bens@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us) [3/'95] %T The Passenger %D 1975 %K Passenger, film, movie, S3, SIII, SW, Land-Rover %X directed by Michelangelo Antonioni. I saw a blue S3 SW bogged in sand - in short clip shown at the '95 Academy Awards - LA. %T Patriot Games. %D 1992 %K Patriot games, film, movie, Clancy, Belfast, Land-Rover, Defender, D110, 110, 127, army, military, armoured %X In case noone else caught it... There is an awesome-looking black 110 (or 127) armored car in Tom Clancy's patriot games. Great shot of it sitting next to a checkpoint in Belfast. FYI, it appears that all the Clancy Movies feature Land Rovers "somewhere" in them. From: Pierce Reid (70004.4011@compuserve.com) [2/'95] %T Peter's Friends %D 1992 %K Peter's friends, film, movie, Fry, Branagh, Brannagh, Emma Thompson, Laurie, Land-Rover, S2A, LWB, SW %X Near beginning some of Peter's friends (stars Stephen Fry, Kenneth Branagh. Emma Thompson, Hugh Laurie.) are driven to his stately home in an immaculate SerIIA 109 SW. From: Mark Perry (email: rxq281@winnie.freenet.mb.ca) [2/'95] %T The Player %D 1992 %K Player, film, movie, Altman, Robbins, Land-Rover, Range Rover, RR, Robbins %X Tim Robbins Hollywood mogul character drives black Range Rover. From: Mark Perry (email: rxq281@winnie.freenet.mb.ca) [2/'95] %T Point Break %D 1991 %K point break, film, movie, Reeves, Land-Rover, S2A, SW, surf, SWB %X Surfers have what looks like SEr.IIA SW on beach in night surfing scene. In final sequence, set in Australia, Keanu Reeves drives canvastop IIA 88, RHD. From: Mark Perry (email: rxq281@winnie.freenet.mb.ca) [2/'95] %T Revenge of the Pink Panther %D 1978 %K Revenge, film, movie, comedy, Land-Rover, SWB, HT %X Date: 30 Jan 95 08:29:01 EST From: Pierce Reid (70004.4011@compuserve.com) In "Revenge of the Pink Panther", there is a Portuguese-built 88 hardtop visible for a few seconds at a border crossing. %T Romancing The Stone. %D 1980 's %K Romancing, film, movie, Douglas, Turner, adventure, Land-Rover, S2, SWB %X Near the beginning, Michael Douglas' Land-Rover is written off by the bus carrying Kathleen Turner. *** %T Roxanne %D 1987 %K Roxanne, film, movie, Martin, Schepsi, Hannah, comedy, romance, Land-Rover %X Based on Edmond Rostand's romantic tragi-comedy, Cyrano de Bergerac. Director - Fred Schepsi Steve Martin - C. D. Bales, fire chief, large(!) nose Daryl Hannah - Roxanne, astronomer SM woos DH for a hunk (friend) at the fire station but gets her in the end. Set in an off-season Washington state ski resort, the film was shot in Nelson B.C. SM's character owns a Land-Rover (I have only ever seen the last part, does he drive it?) *** %T Shark aka Maneater %D 1969 %K Shark, film, movie, Reynolds, Land-Rover, S2A %X Opening scenes of Burt Reynolds action turkey have gunrunner Burt dodging Arab-type military police by chucking dynamite in front of their SerIIA so it runs into rocks. From: Mark Perry (email: rxq281@winnie.freenet.mb.ca) [2/'95] %T Sheena %D 1984 %K Sheena, film, movie, Roberts, Range Rover, RR, Land-Rover, LR, S3 %X Good guys drive white Range Rover in early scenes. Bad guys have Ser.III in their convoy, also stars Tanya Roberts wearing skimpy costume. From: Mark Perry (email: rxq281@winnie.freenet.mb.ca) [2/'95] [LA: is this the movie where it is demonstrated that the weight of a grown Lion sitting on a RR roof will bend it ?!] %T Simba %D 1955 +- %K simba, film, movie, Africa, Land-Rover, S1, SWB, ST %X old British technicolour movie, action feature to do with the Mau-Mau uprising in colonial Kenya. Many S1s -- at one stage a lion jumps into an open SWB to say howzit to the hero ... and gets a knife in its ribs ... - Keith Coman bakc@giraffe.ru.ac.za 1/95 %T 633 Squadron %D ? %K Six Three Three Squadron, 633, war, film, movie, blooper, England, Land-Rover %X In the film '633 Squadron', Land Rovers can be seen during the closing sequence. Since this is set in the '39-'45 war (some 3 years before the things were invented!) I think this must the earliest sighting... - Martin Richards (mr@datcon.co.uk) [4/'95] %T Stand By Me. %D 1986 %K Stand, film, movie, King, Land-Rover, LWB, SW %X Date: 30 Jan 95 08:29:01 EST In Stephen King's "Stand By Me" there is a gorgeous 109 safari featured in both the beginning and the end of the movie. - From: Pierce Reid (70004.4011@compuserve.com) %T The Ugly American %D 1963 %K ugly american, Brando, Land-Rover, S2, LWB, film, movie %X The Ugly American (1963) Stars Marlon Brando. Nice title sequence has Ser.II travelling to jungle road construction site. It later appears in scenes at mission school. During later montage, SerII 109 PU is ambushed by guerrillas and piles into ditch. Guerrillas also have topless SerII in their convoy, along with what I believe are called "jeeps." From: Mark Perry (email: rxq281@winnie.freenet.mb.ca) [2/'95] %T Watcher in the Woods. %D 1980 %K Watcher in the woods, film, movie, Lynn Holly Johnston, Land-Rover, S2A, LWB, PU %X About middle of movie, farm lad drives heroine (Lynn-Holly Johnston) home in a light blue SerIIA 109 pickup with bubbletop cab and deluxe bonnet. From: Mark Perry (email: rxq281@winnie.freenet.mb.ca) [2/'95] %T Wild Geese II %D 1985 %K Wild geese two, film, movie, Olivier, Land-Rover, LW %X Turkey actioner has mercenaries in Berlin who impersonate British provost officers to kidnap Rudolph Hess (Laurence Olivier!) using military lightweight L-Rs. From: Mark Perry (email: rxq281@winnie.freenet.mb.ca) [2/'95] %T On Wings of Eagles %D 1986 %K Wings of eagles, film, movie, Perot, Burt Lancaster, Land-Rover %X Ross Perot's rescue of his employees from Iran during the revolution. Burt Lancaster in lead role. (Range Rovers used in real life.) - Granville Pool mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net %T Wolf %D 1994 %K Wolf, film, movie, Pfeiffer, Nicholson, were wolf, werewolf, Range Rover, RR %X Michelle Pfeiffer drives a Range Rover and is a werewolf - Sanna@aol.com [3/'95] From "S.Vels Christensen" Mon Apr 4 01:18:35 1994 Date: Mon, 4 Apr 1994 01:18:35 -0600 (CST) From: "S.Vels Christensen" Subject: Charge Probs (yet another) Hi Today i had to submit myself to public transportation. Lawrence refused to start. The problem is a flat battery. What puzzles me is that the charge bulb is always on when starting and goes out immediately when the engine turns. So it must be charging i guess. I couldn't even crankstart it. I checked for water where there's not supposed to be any. All OK. I could also get a spark on the thin coil/distributor wire with the key in ignition. I believe i have quite a good understanding about how the electrics works. And everything seems to be ok. Could it just be a defect battery? It's not quite new but its an expensive and well kept Volvo battery. Not an off the shelf 20pounds supermarket type of Ducellier. The fluid level seems to be ok. Any clues appreciated. I'll have to take the bus when i go home from work on thursday. Sympathy also appreciated. Thanks. sv/aurens (more or less) From Peter Aslan Tue Apr 4 08:54:01 1995 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 08:54:01 +0100 (BST) From: Peter Aslan Subject: Re: Erratic idling revisited I had the same problem, fixed it by replacing the Solex with a Webber. I believe it is caused by leaky gaskets, letting air into the inlet manifold. Ok on choke, but when the thing warms up you get an irratic idle. On my SII I was told that it was because the gaskets had dried up and were leeking, did you replace all the gaskets when you rebuilt the carb ? Also is the Air Cleaner ok, and all inlet manifold connections ok ? Regards, Peter Aslan (aka Captain Norton). Louden Quill Award. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- McDonnell Information Systems Boundary Way Hemel Hempstead Voice: 0442 273324 Hertfordshire HP2 7HU Fax: 0442 244896 ENGLAND Mail: paslan@uk.mdis.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) Tue Apr 4 09:39:18 1995 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 09:39:18 UNDEFINED From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) Subject: Re: Fw: Talking Frog (fwd) /Date: Sun, 2 Apr 1995 13:50:59 -0700 /From: Roger Sinasohn /Subject: Fw: Talking Frog (fwd) / /This had me laughing so loud, I had to forward it to everyone I knew. Hope /you all find it just as hillarious! / /---- Forwarded from brian@zvs.com (Brian Miller): /none / A friend of mine forwarded this to me and I thought that you might /enjoy it or at least know others who would enjoy it. / / Surf's up Dude / Brian / / /> > A boy was crossing a road one day when a frog called out to him /> > and said, "If you kiss me, I'll turn into a beautiful princess." ************* [ truncated by lro-digester (was 18 lines)]***********> /> said, "Look, I'm a computer programmer. I don't have time for> > /girlfriends, but a talking frog is really cool." / /---- End of forwarded message ---- This is 'American humour'? Minimalist. (Lucky I'd seen it before on a newsgroup with no bloody digester..........) +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Just another roadkill on the Information Superhighway +++++++++++++++++++++++ None-%er #1 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From Tom Stevenson Tue Apr 4 10:06:58 1995 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 10:06:58 +0100 (BST) From: Tom Stevenson Subject: LR at the movies Lloyd: I enjoyed reading your film list; I remember a film from the 70s which was a pilot or a film spin-off from the TV series 'Callan' with Edward Woodward. Part of the plot involved Eddie preventing the chief villain from leaving his country estate. By memorising the local Ordnance Survey map and driving a white Range Rover (with heavily tinted windows) our hero manages to head the baddie off every time with a bit of cross-country driving. Particularly good is the part where he finds a large greenhouse has been built across the road. -- Tom Stevenson: gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk University Marine Biological Station, Isle of Cumbrae, Scotland Tel:(01475) 530581 Fax:(01475) 530601 From Stephen Thomas 4 95 Apr GMT 1912 Date: 4 Apr 95 12:22:40 GMT From: Stephen Thomas Subject: Webbing winches David John Place stated recently that he had seen webbing winches used to move boats, well it's not quite the same (and I'm not sure if I'd want to use it in a situation where I was bogged down, well where the landy was bogged down anyway), but recently, as some of you will know, I was forced to trailer tow my non-starting IIA. We hired an Indespsnsion vehicle trailer and pulled the landy on board with a windlass type winch equipped with webbing, all mounted to the trailer to facillitate this sort of problem. It was pulling Andy up the 30-odd-degree incline of the tipped trailer and although it was heavy going (heavy car!) worked adequately. Whether the web would stretch more under the extra load of the bogged vehicle, however, I don't know. Stephen... From "ANTHONY F. QUATTROMANI INTERNET:AQUATTROMANI@LOGICON.COM" Tue Apr 04 08:32:56 1995 Date: Tue, 04 Apr 1995 08:32:56 EDT From: "ANTHONY F. QUATTROMANI INTERNET:AQUATTROMANI@LOGICON.COM" Subject: New Subsriber - Introduction Hello everyone, I have been a subscriber for about 3 weeks now and thought it was about time to introduce myself. I am a simulation engineer working in Dahlgren, Virginia, on a contract with the U S Navy. After the bad winter of 93-94 in these parts, my wife and I decided that a 4 wheeler was in order. I looked at them all, but my wife didn't like any of them. Until I came across an ad for the Discovery. We both liked what we saw. Unfortunately we couldn't see a real one at the time. The dealer was only receiving 4-5 a month. Undaunted, I put my name on a waiting list on July 1, 1994. In August, I went to London on a business trip. I didn't have the opportunity to visit Solihull, but I did see scores of Discoveries and Rovers of all types. I was really hooked. Finally, on December 6, 1994, my Discovery arrived ! I read just about all of the messages on the daily digest, but of course I am most interested on the Discovery entries. No problems to date. My first dealer maintenance visit at 7500 miles cost $104.00. I do believe that my excellent local mechanic, (who handles my 1992 Sterling very well) will be able to take care of the Rover. Any comments on breaking away from the dealer? I have terrible luck with tires - seems that all nails, sharp boulders, etc. are naturally attracted to any vehicle I drive. Have already had a puncture on the Discovery. Tires are expensive ($240.00) and sefveral days on order!! I am looking forward to some off roading this spring and summer. Tony **************************************************************************** ANTHONY QUATTROMANI SYSCON Corporation (703) 663-9669 [VOICE] Rt 206, PO Box 1480 (703) 663-9625 [FAX] Dahlgren, VA 22448 aquattromani@logicon.com [INTERNET] **************************************************************************** From Pierce Reid <70004.4011@compuserve.com> 04 95 Apr EDT 1908 Date: 04 Apr 95 08:35:07 EDT From: Pierce Reid <70004.4011@compuserve.com> Subject: Movie Rover I did not see this one on the list... %T Wild Geese %D 197? %K Wild Geese -- Mercenaries topple an African despot. Military Land Rovers throughout. 109's - R. Pierce Reid 70004,4011@CompuServe.com Also, Hunt for Red October has a Range Rover in the opening scene as Jack Ryan gets out of it, Clear and Present Danger has several Range Rovers in it (badguys drive Blue RR's) and Made-for-TV Op Center has a 110 loosely disguised as a Russian Military jeep. Does anyone know if Tom Clancy drives a Landy or RR??? Cheers R. P. Reid From chrisste@clark.net (Chris Stevens) Tue Apr 4 08:26:49 1995 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 08:26:49 -0500 From: chrisste@clark.net (Chris Stevens) Subject: Erratic Idling Revisited Just fiddled with the carb again and am now seriously concerned about my rebuild job. The unit...Zenith 36IVE...appears to be well sealed with the new gaskets. I installed all new jets as well as needle valve; checked the float measurements; installed new O ring. Did not install the replacement butterfly and spindle (the one sent with the rebuild kit did not have a poppet valve...what does that do anyway). Anyway, upon closer inspection, the carb is not leaking...except when I shut the motor down. Then fuel continues to trickle through the fuel line into the carb and collects on top of the butterfly, then oozes out the rear of the spindle eventually dripping on the manifold (now you see why I'm concerned). Is the carb body worn at the spindle fitting? Is it normal for fuel to continue to flow into the carb after the motor is shut off? Could the O-ring not be sealed correctly? Chris Stevens 1969 SIIA 88" SW BCG Corporate Communications Towson, Maryland, USA (410) 583-1722 (410) 583-1935 (FAX) chrisste@Clark.net From "Steve Methley" Tue Apr 4 15:12:17 1995 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 15:12:17 +0100 From: "Steve Methley" Subject: Re: Erratic Idling Revisited Chris writes: >the carb is not leaking...except when I shut the motor down. Then fuel >continues to trickle through the fuel line into the carb and collects on [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)] >worn at the spindle fitting? Is it normal for fuel to continue to flow into >the carb after the motor is shut off? No it's not normal for any carb to leak after the motor is shut down. You'll have residual pressure form the fuel pump, but when the float valve closes as the flaot chamber is full, then the supply should be blocked. So even though I don't have a carb like yours. it seems pretty likely that the diagnosis is a stuck open float valve, or more likely a wrongly adjusted float level/valve trip point. Look on the bright side you could have twin carbs! Best Regards, Steve. 79RR (twin Strombergs) From William Terry Tue Apr 4 10:42:42 1995 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 95 10:42:42 -0400 From: William Terry Subject: in the movies The one addition I can make to the list is "The Lair of the White Worm". It's the last story written by the author of Dracula, I believe. People pile into a Series LR belonging to the character played by the guy in "Three Weddings and a Funeral" to head to head to the cave where they believe local people disappear. Set in the England or Scotland. Peace, Bill From "Russell G. Dushin" Tue Apr 4 11:16:46 1995 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 95 11:16:46 EDT From: "Russell G. Dushin" Subject: Re: LRNA Reps > 2. Will there ever be spare aluminum hardtop parts available to the > general public - specifically the pieces that mount to the tailgate lid > allowing for it to be raised by hydralics? I'd like to purchase a set > for my IIA's tailgate lid (the rods are definitely tedious). A few years back RN was selling the little "hydraulic shock absorber like things" that do this....along with the fixings....some drilling required... for about $60 US. rd/nige From wills@spl.co.za (William Smith) Tue Apr 4 17:20:44 1995 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 17:20:44 +0200 From: wills@spl.co.za (William Smith) Subject: HELP !! RUST Hi all, I am really depressed since this morning. I went to show somebody where the chassis number is stencilled on my SIII 2,25l pup and discovered rust there. It is where the leaf spring mounting is welded to the chassis. The rust is +- 5 x 3 cm. *** small holes are visible ***. How do I go about fixing this ? I've got an arc welder and gas (oxy/acetylene) welding equipment. PLEASE I'm really distressed !! William ------------------------------------------------------------------ William Smith Email: wills@SPLinux.spl.co.za SPL Voice: +27 (0)11 322 2117 Johannesburg Fax : +27 (0)11 322 2232 South Africa Cell : 082 455 1816 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From "TeriAnn Wakeman" Tue Apr 4 08:34:29 1995 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 95 08:34:29 -0700 From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" Subject: Re: Wheels/Paint color schemes In message <199504032211.XAA01033@chunnel.uk.stratus.com> writes: none Here's my best guess: > Phil asks about wheel color, and since i am getting close to painting, i have > some questions. [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)] > so here are my questions > 1st, - there is no white, only limestone, Correct? yes > 2nd, - wheels are always painted limestone except for SVOs? Limestone except for series I & military > 3rd, - door tops are body colour? Front door tops are body colour. > 4th, - Rear door gets painted body colour? If safari door yes. If tailgate, bottom yes, top limestone (assuming limestone sides). > 5th - window side-panels get painted limestone or body colour? > some questions. Depends. If stationwagon, then body colour else if regular then limestone If stationwagon with tropical top. sun shield is limestone, top underneath is body colour. If regular, entire top is limestone. Some stationwagons had entire top limestone. Hint for tops, inside colour was the same as outside colour. except for sun shield on station wagons. . > if this is any help it is an export LHD Late IIA 1969 SWB > some questions. A key bit of info would have been type..ie station wagon, regular etc. TeriAnn Wakeman Large format photographers look at the world twakeman@apple.com upside down and backwards TeriAnn Wakeman Large format photographers look at the world twakeman@apple.com upside down and backwards From kirkwood@strider.fm.intel.com (Clayton Kirkwood) Tue Apr 4 10:15:13 1995 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 10:15:13 -0700 From: kirkwood@strider.fm.intel.com (Clayton Kirkwood) Subject: complement??? I ran across this the other day at the doctor's office (and ripped the page out to mount it!!). This comes from the Jan95 issue of Car and Driver, and the article lists the ten best cars which now includes the SUV area too. In two side bars were listed the ten best performers (94) and the ten worst performers (94). Our favorites didn't make the best list but were prominent in the worst list. Top speed honors went to Land Rover Defender 90, 86mph, while Interior sound levels @ 70mph went to ..... YES, Land Rover Defender 90, 86dBA. Apparently, for each mph the dBA goes up by one, an interesting 1:1 correlation ;>}. Accordingly, following this logic, the typical crawl speed of the 90 suggests that the sound level at 5 mph would be 5dBA, well below audible levels, leaving one to suppose that one doesn't hear the vehicle, only the great outdoors!!! On a similar vein, in comparing the same categories between best and worst, whereas the Def. 90 only hits 86 mph, the "best" top speed is 185 mph by the Lamborghini Diablo VT, and the sound level is best in the BMW 530i, Mercedes-Benz S320, and Nissan Maxima SE all at 66 dBA. OK fine. I would like to see the Diablo go 185 offroad, ...yeah right. Or how about the Mercedes offroad. Oh sure, it's quiet, but then you also can't hear the great outdoors either. Now what kind of fun is that???? On an ominous note, BMW shared the sound level "best" and took braking distance honours. What does this portend for future Landies? So we stop on a dime, but hey, we do it quietly!!!! All in all, quite nice complements on sound level and top speed -- Clayton R. Kirkwood, FM1-58, 916 356-5838 From Mike Fredette Tue Apr 04 10:20:16 1995 Date: Tue, 04 Apr 1995 10:20:16 -0700 From: Mike Fredette Subject: another movie not mentioned The flick is called "Island of Terror". A cool late late 60's B- or C+ British sci-fi thing. Set on an island off the coast of Ireland, some well meaning scientists (aren't they always) create some mutant, bone marrow sucking critters The local villagers have a hell of a time ridding themselves of the pesky pests, running around in old Land Rovers doing anything they can think of, shotguns, dynamite, what have you. Rgds Mike Fredette Portland, Oregon From "Lapa, Hank" Tue Apr 04 11:45:12 1995 Date: Tue, 04 Apr 95 11:45:12 EST From: "Lapa, Hank" Subject: Roof paint I'm pretty sure that a '69 IIA would have a Limestone roof whether regular or station wagon. However, I think the license-built Rovers from South America continued to paint roofs in body color with the only the sunshield portions being limestone, a la Ser II and prior. This is based on the observations of a friend's recent visit to Costa Rica. Hank From Dixon Kenner Tue Apr 4 13:43:58 1995 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 13:43:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Dixon Kenner Subject: Re: MOUNTING A WEBER 45DCOE ON A 2.25L PET. LAND ROVER. On Sun, 2 Apr 1995, Wade Zumbach wrote: > I usually just lurk around here but I thought that I would like to get > your comments on what I'm about to try. I have purchase a Weber 45DCOE > dual throat side draght carb type #13, #1 G, with the cold start option. My, my, my... Well, TerriAnne once said that the TR-3 intake manifold fit onto the 2.25l head. If true, you could use that manifold if you could find one with the dual intakes. You will still need to play some games to raise the 45DCOE over the steering box. Rgds, PS, If all fails, the 45DCOE would look real nice on my Cooper S... From labranch@sybase.com (Jason LaBranch) Tue Apr 4 10:44:47 1995 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 95 10:44:47 PDT From: labranch@sybase.com (Jason LaBranch) Subject: Re: LRNA Reps Well, concerning the LR representative, I saw a post the other day, the email had no identifing marks. There was no signature. The response was informed and about a specific number of Land Rover Defender 110's imported. The email address was: LRDEF90@aol.com Folks, it is just a guess but this could be the LR spy. Jason LaBranch 1970 88" IIa From Sanna@aol.com Tue Apr 4 14:31:41 1995 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 14:31:41 -0400 From: Sanna@aol.com Subject: Re: LRNA Reps As long as someone started a "TIPS FOR SOLIHULL" list, let me pass on a couple of disapointments at viewing the new D90's. As a 25 year veteran of IIa ownership I was really disapointed to see that Rover's chintzed on all the galvanized that a series truck has. After all these years of hard use the galvanized on my Rover is still perfect, and being a rag top, the galvanized body caps, door caps, gate trim, etc. have all gotten a lot of wear. And why doesn't that windscreen fold, huh? Answer me that! From kirkwood@strider.fm.intel.com (Clayton Kirkwood) Tue Apr 4 11:21:23 1995 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 11:21:23 -0700 From: kirkwood@strider.fm.intel.com (Clayton Kirkwood) Subject: Re: LRNA Reps On Apr 4, 10:44am, Jason LaBranch wrote: > Subject: Re: LRNA Reps > Well, [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)] > had no identifing marks. There was no signature. The response was > informed and about a specific number of Land Rover Defender 110's imported. > The email address was: > LRDEF90@aol.com [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)] > LRDEF90@aol.com > Folks, it is just a guess but this could be the LR spy. Yeah, yeah, let's get 'im.... I've got some winch cable, and there's a tree. Quick grab 'im ;<) The dirty rotten scoundrel... > Jason LaBranch > 1970 88" IIa >-- End of excerpt from Jason LaBranch none -- Clayton R. Kirkwood, FM1-58, 916 356-5838 From Russell Burns Tue Apr 4 11:21:30 1995 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 95 11:21:30 PDT From: Russell Burns Subject: Confused... Lets see, we have a LRNA spy, who is putting together a "black list" of all the illegal landrovers imported in the U.S, Canada, Mexico, New Mexico... I guess I shouldn't tell him about the 3000 series I and II's I am having fedexed to my house.... This sounds like our type of guy, maybe we should buy him a beer, toss him in the mud, and let that british bloke fondle him while teaching him to drive. Russ From "TeriAnn Wakeman" Tue Apr 4 11:50:50 1995 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 95 11:50:50 -0700 From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" Subject: Re: Charge Probs (yet another) In message <199504040026.BAA01404@chunnel.uk.stratus.com> "S.Vels Christensen" writes: > to start. The problem is a flat battery. What puzzles me is that the charge > bulb is always on when starting and goes out immediately when the engine > turns. So it must be charging i guess. Charge bulb? AKA idiot light I believe that means your generator is kicking out enough voltage while the engine is running that there isn't enough drainage of the battery to light the filiment. It doesn't mean that your battery is actually getting charged, or even that its not slowly discharging while the engine is running. The best use I have found for a generator light is to let you know if your fan belt breaks. We had a big guage discussion here a year or so ago & I was the only one who came out as a fan of a voltmeter, but its time to make a pitch again. The big complaint is that they read the seame thing all the time and otherwise do not do anything. Everyone wanted AMP meters because the needle jumped around and showed action. Actually, I like them both, but if I could have only one, it would be a volt meter. The volt meter will show what your generator/alternator is putting out. It will read around 11.5ish if you are not charging and running off a charged battery. If your generator/alternator is properly doing its thing, you will have somewhere around 13 volts. As you turn on more circuits you can get a feel for how much load your charging circuit can handle without help from the battery. When I moved from Seattle to the Monterey bay area, there was a day and night I was driving with wipers on, heater on full, lights and fog lights. The generator light in my '69 88 did not come on. The amp guage looked like it was reading zero. After a day and several night hours of driving I parked for the night. I did not heve enough power left in the battery to start the car in the morning. Had I a volt meter, I could have seen that the voltage was below 12 and it was taking the generator plus battery to keep everything going. An Ammeter will show if you have a large power drain or if your generator/alternator is doing a rapid charge of a depleted battery. It is not sensitive enough to tell you if it is doing a trickle charge, or a slight discharge. It won't tell you if your battery is fully charged, only if your regulator thinks it is. if your regulator is out of kilter, your battery not performing properly (cell going bad, low water level, etc), or high resistance connections. Getting of my soap box, clean your battery terminals & check fluid levels. If you can, check the battery to see if you have a weak or bad cell (replace if necessary). In my personal experience, about 75% of the starter motor not turning properly is caused by high resistance electrical connection between the battery and starter. A very high percentage of these is a high resistance connection at the battery post. Other places to look are the connection to the starter motor, engine to chasis ground strap, and batt. cable to gnd. Batt. connections can look OK but still be high resistance. The black oxide that can form between the post and connector is an insulator. So it just doesn't need to look grungy corroded to have a high resistance connetion. Also brushes do wear and at the end make a increasingly higher resistance contact as they get too short for the spring to press them onto the commutator. Of course you CAN cheat, push start the car & take it to Sears & ask for a free diagnosis. Good luck TeriAnn Wakeman Large format photographers look at the world twakeman@apple.com upside down and backwards From Sanna@aol.com Tue Apr 4 14:17:53 1995 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 14:17:53 -0400 From: Sanna@aol.com Subject: Re: Hello! and It's Stuck... >The Landy is currently receiving a good deal of (much deserved) verbal abuse. No! Don't do it! Bad idea! Never, but NEVER, verbally abuse a Land Rover. Being British, the whole works runs on a delicate balance of self-esteem & questionable craftsmanship. From Dixon Kenner Tue Apr 4 15:34:46 1995 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 15:34:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Dixon Kenner Subject: Re: Roof paint On Tue, 4 Apr 1995, Lapa, Hank wrote: > I'm pretty sure that a '69 IIA would have a Limestone roof whether > regular or station wagon. However, I think the license-built Rovers [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)] > This is based on the observations of a friend's recent visit to Costa > Rica. 109" Station Wagons had onlt the sunscreen portion painted limestone. The main roof was painted body colour. 88's were all limestome to my knowledge. From "Lapa, Hank" Tue Apr 04 14:46:48 1995 Date: Tue, 04 Apr 95 14:46:48 EST From: "Lapa, Hank" Subject: Re: HELP !! RUST William, Replacement items should be available so that you can cut/grind both frontal protuberances off the chassis and weld new ones on. I got a couple of these from Craddock's several years back. I had a large hole clear through the side of one of mine, but the rest seemed solid, so I suspect you do not have an imminent emergency. As I recall, a pair of these were a bit spendy back then, and I suspect no less costly now. The replacement parts had wide flanges to assist mounting, but think cutting the flanges off (especially the laterals) would actually provide a stronger final installation. Remember to use both the bumper AND the springs to achieve line up before welding the second item into place or you may have a hard time getting the bumper bolts through the holes later. Hank > Subject: HELP !! RUST > Author: wills@spl.co.za (William Smith) at Zeus > From: wills@spl.co.za (William Smith) > Subject: HELP !! RUST [ truncated by lro-digester (was 41 lines)] > South Africa Cell : 082 455 1816 > ------------------------------------------------------------------ From David John Place Tue Apr 4 15:54:25 1995 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 15:54:25 -0500 (CDT) From: David John Place Subject: Re: Webbing winches Well the webbing I use here for towing is about 4" across and has "D" Rings at each end. It was used to sling heavy boats like 40 to 50 foot sail boats etc. To lift my engine in and out of the Land Rover during my last rebuild, I used a military web strap about 2" wide. I used two of them under the block and then to my engine crane. They worked very well. Yes these straps stretch but they don't seem to strike back like steel wire when they let go. I also use them to lift the aluminum top off the 88(getting too old to do it myself without the hoist:-) ) and they stretch a few inches. I guess I would rather have them hit me under load than a steel cable. You will have noticed that load binders on semi flat beds holding large heavy loads are almost always web straps. Just my two cents worth. :-) Dave VE4PN From jimmyp@netcom.com (Jimmy Patrick) Tue Apr 4 14:14:20 1995 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 14:14:20 -0700 From: jimmyp@netcom.com (Jimmy Patrick) Subject: LRO Calendar Hi all, I made it back from the UK with no problems. Mabel is on a luxury cruise with about 400 new Discoveries. I pick her up on the 19th of April. Can't wait. I would like to produce a calendar of LRO land rovers and even owners. I have facilities for scanning pictures, designing the calendar, and getting it printed. This wouldn't be a concours type of calendar that you see for the jags or mgs, this one should be full of character cars and humorous quotes from the list. If anyone is interested in this idea, let me know. I will need 12-16 photos of rovers owned by list members, info about the LR, funny quotes about the land rover or whatever. I will pick the best shots and put together the calendar. I think we can get these calendars made pretty cheaply because I work with a lot of printers and film houses in my job. The more calendars we make, the cheaper they get. All land-rovers and range-rovers welcome. If you want to participate, I will scan you pic and return it to you if you can send me a SASE. I mentioned this a while back to a few members and they thought it would be a pretty cool thing to do. Anyone else want to play? Send me a note if you are interested. cheers. jimmy -- Jimmy Patrick jimmyp@netcom.com From "Russell G. Dushin" Tue Apr 4 17:53:59 1995 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 95 17:53:59 EDT From: "Russell G. Dushin" Subject: Re: Hello! and It's Stuck... > Hello to all, > We are new to the List (Tim and Jenny). Just lurking so far but now it's > time to introduce ourselves. The proud owners of a IIa fitted with a flat tray > body. none Welcome, you've found the right place. > Our big headache at the moment is getting the transfer unit out of the front chassis > member. The manual simply says undo the bolts and drive it out with a brass drift, > applying oil if it is stiff. Presumably, we are talking about the steering relay here. Although I myself have never had the occasion to *have* to remove one, the method of choice (I'm told) when all else fails is to a) wrap a chain around it and the frame...you are securing it here to keep it from flying out and doing damage to your (or your rover's) body parts so that in b) you place a jack underneath the relay, with suitable protection of said relay (eg. block of wood placed between the jack and the relay itself, although this wood may just crunch and you may have to go without...), then jack up the car......it *should* pop out (verbal abuse might help, but be sure to take back everything mean and nasty you said afterwards....assuming it works....and make up with your rover or else.....). You might have to jump up and down on the bumper. BUT BE CAREFUL, STAY CLEAR, and make damned sure the relay is gonna be held by the chain when it breaks loose. Now that it's out, do you intend to disassemble it or replace it? If you are going to take it apart....USE EVEN MORE CAUTION....there is a spring in there that can kill you. Ask before you leap. > By the way, are there any other Tasmanians on the list? I think there is one or two....I know of some in Hobart, though..... rgds, rd/nigel From jed@teleport.com (Jim Edwards) Tue Apr 4 15:35:55 1995 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 15:35:55 -0700 From: jed@teleport.com (Jim Edwards) Subject: buying land rover for use in UK A friend will be spending a year in Dublin. He is interested in buying a RHD SII or SIII 88" in either England or Ireland this summer and then selling it next summer. He wants a reliable car rather than a fixer upper-upper. Does anyone know of any dealers he could contact or have one for sale? Any suggestions for insurance companies? Thanks Jim From "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com> 04 95 Apr EDT 1918 Date: 04 Apr 95 18:40:02 EDT From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: lead-free on Series... Just FYI, after I had overhauled the cylinderhead and replaced valves + sleeves on the 4-cyl. of my S.III 109 (just the regular stuff, *not* a lead-free conversion!) I ran it for 7 (seven) years on lead-free petrol, towing, off-roading, gruelling trips around North Africa (ok, in Africa it got lotsa lead, yummy-yummy!). In all over 100,000 km on lead-free regular, and no problem yet. Could this be a record? Stefan From Craig Murray Wed Apr 5 9:09:03 1995 Date: Wed, 5 Apr 95 9:09:03 EST From: Craig Murray Subject: Re: Chug Chug Chuguuummm...phut. Chug ch > Engine warm - > Idle : Billows _lots_ of white smoke [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)] > When cold the consistency of the smoke is thicker and there is more blue/grey > - goes away after about 3 minutes on tickover > Andy Grafton > A.J.Grafton@lut.ac.uk This sort of sounds like there is something wrong with the injector pump, as the miss, with the puff of white smoke, sounds like the injector pump is pumping fuel too late!?!? When rebuilding the engine, it would pay to go the hole hog, and have the injectors and the injector pump serviced. -- ============================================================================== Craig Murray | 1955 Series 1 86" LROC of Victoria Australia | 2.25 diesel LROC of Gippsland Victoria Australia | My car is constipated, email: craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au | It has not passed a | thing all day!! From William.Grouell@Eng.Sun.COM (William L. Grouell) Tue Apr 4 16:21:43 1995 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 16:21:43 +0800 From: William.Grouell@Eng.Sun.COM (William L. Grouell) Subject: Re: Roof paint > 88's were all limestome > to my knowledge. Mine ('64 88" Sta. Wgn.) is body color* (Poppy) with white tropical panel. Me thinks we can conclude that both are correct. Looking carefully at the top, like in corners, under rubber strips, under upolstery, ect... one should be able to figure out what the original color was. Hell, just start sanding. R, bg * Yes, it is original! From rhcaldw@nma.mnet.uswest.com ( ROY CALDWELL ) Tue Apr 4 17:48:35 1995 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 95 17:48:35 MDT From: rhcaldw@nma.mnet.uswest.com ( ROY CALDWELL ) Subject: LRNA Well Gang here is the scoop as I know it. It is the owners list that is being looked at every so often. It is being read by a rep in customer service of LRNA. My informant left the impression that it was very friendly and not an attempt to gather shit about gray market Rovers. LRNA did hear about the 3,000 phantom Rovers in crates and had no more success in finding them than we did. I mean actually seeing, touching and smelling one. I can understand their interest in those vehicles. 3,000 units on the market would really under-cut their business. Not that I agree, but I do understand. I do have the persons name but was hoping that my original post might prompt them to declare. I was not told the name was secret but I didn't feel it would be to fair to out them unless they really wanted to be know by name. So that's the deal. So LRNA this would be a good time to intro yourself and your purpose. We are a very friendly bunch but with a very strong loyalty to Land Rover. Not the co. per-se but the vehicle. Ok, that's all I know. Roy - Rovers in the Rockies Got a Rover under me again!!! From sohearn@InterServ.Com Tue Apr 4 18:53:39 1995 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 95 18:53:39 PDT From: sohearn@InterServ.Com Subject: LRNA Lurker? Frank Twarog writes: >If said rep were willing to respond to my questions directly (in >order to save face on the digest) I would greatly, GREATLY appreciate it. >Thanks very much Saving face is not necessary. I don't think anyone here would take offense to LRNA getting covert or unofficial feedback here on the Internet. I wouldn't be surprised if this is the case. Instead I think it's a good idea and should be commended as good utilization of a resource for a whole bunch of business reasons. I also think it would be an even better idea for this LRNA affiliated person, if he/she does exist, to go "public." It could be done with suitable caveats if necessary but I think the benefits would be tremendous, both to us here on the list and to LRNA as well. Sure, this individual, would no doubt be swamped with a tidal wave of questions, at least initially. Certainly many could not be answered immediately or maybe at all. But a path of communication would be established, and not just for our benefit. While I hope LRNA (or its parent in the UK) would be interested in a two-way with Land Rover enthusiasts, they should definitely be interested in such discussions with current product owners. Information on accessories and guidance on use would be a fundamental part of and benificial contributor to what LRNA calls the "Land Rover Experience." Feedback from the users of their product would be direct and more easily followed up when obtaining further deatils is necessary. But here is the biggest benefit of all for LRNA and the best reason for them to actively (or even passively) support some kind of representation on the Internet (note: I'm not suggesting the list become the primary funnel, just perhaps a participant): Potential buyers of current Land Rover products are very likely to include, in increasing numbers, users of the Internet. These people will be interested in easily obtaining information and will probably be more comfortable doing their research on the net. Facilitating this will increase LRNA's exposure and benefit its image. What about DealerNet? A good start but I'm not sure how direct LRNA's participation is. Also there is no inquiry point of contact (at least not yet). You say they sell everything they import? OK, but selling more if you can up production is even better. With more top-of-the-line SUV's on the ways from Lincoln, Cadillac, Mercedes-Benz, etc. it won't hurt to be first on the net and get a jump on the others. Anyways, that's my opinion such as it is. - Stephen From ac443@osfn.rhilinet.gov (John Karlsson) Tue Apr 4 23:02:47 1995 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 23:02:47 -0400 From: ac443@osfn.rhilinet.gov (John Karlsson) Subject: Progress report Welding done, frame wire brushed to From Andrew Grafton Wed Apr 5 13:13:26 1995 Date: Wed, 5 Apr 95 13:13:26 BST From: Andrew Grafton Subject: Which tyres? Hope I'm not being too much of a pain-in-the-arse with the volume of questions recently, but the time has arrived where we need to be spending money and I appreciate your well informed opinions. Tyres. Have spoken to a number of tyre salesmen, two tyre companies to conclude an awful lot. The question is : which to buy? The brief : Driving 2 x 109" SIII diesels from UK to South Africa. Total distance to be covered is between 10K and 12K miles. Some 2/3 will (prob.) be on relatively good tarred roads. Rest will be on poor tar or on (at best) lightly corrugated dirt roads. Worst case is badly potted and rutted, maybe muddy dirt roads. We are not going to be doing very silly things as both vehicles will be fully laden, and our whole policy is to avoid trouble if we can by going round, not over or through. Would like a good lot of tread left on the tyres at the end of the journey to help sell the vehicles on. Don't want the tyres to go wrong, and want to use tubes. Don't want to pay through the nose Bear in mind that we have 2 vehicles, pulleys, ropes, winches, ground anchors, sandladders etc. so getting stuck isn't going to be the end of the earth. So far I have concluded the following; * Don't take any kind of remoulds * Radials preferable to crossplys * Buy a multipurpose tyre to save on-road wear and noise * There is a trade-off between the # of tyre plies / wall thicknesses (which seems to equate to strength) and ride comfort. So... Any suggestions? Have been recommended BFG Track edge (sp) and Avon Rangemasters more than once so far - that is the price range we're looking at (80 quid UK, don't know what these things cost in the US) Anyone with suitable experience, speak up! If my conclusions are wrong so far, don't be afraid to let me know... Thanks for listening, Andy A.J.Grafton@lut.ac.uk From "Lapa, Hank" Wed Apr 05 07:39:41 1995 Date: Wed, 05 Apr 95 07:39:41 EST From: "Lapa, Hank" Subject: LRNA lurker I would guess that it is not this guy's *job* to maintain an LRNA presence on the net. If so, he's a subscriber like the rest of us, who happens to work for LRNA. It seems reasonable that he does not want to become a lightning rod for hundreds of good ideas, gripes, personnal problems, stalkers, or whatever because of this affiliation, as may have already started. (Sounds like good headwork on his part.) LRNA *should* maintain a formal, corporate infohighway presence to receive all of the above and whatever other praise or abuse that ownership of their product inspires. Since they seem to target that portion of the American market with more money and free time than brains and responsibilities (Hollywood trash and suburban yups), i.e., people with "lifestyles" instead of lives "lives," rather than the real people who seem to populate our more down-to-earth list, I am glad someone at LRNA is subscribed. They definitely need to see that a good part of their American clientele knows what an axle breather is for and wish not to be priced out of the marque by multiple power sunroofs and talking electronics. (For some of us, the "image" attached to owning a 35-year old safari car begs no improvement, and we will never send our personnal assistant out to pick up a new Rangey every two years.) Until then...Hello, Anonymous Lurker, nice to know you're there. Now about that last *#$#%!*! sticker price jump on Disco.... Hank (Series II now, Discovery soon, both 'til death do us part) From Mike Rooth Wed Apr 5 14:27:04 1995 Date: Wed, 5 Apr 95 14:27:04 BST From: Mike Rooth Subject: Re: Which tyres? Andy, I wouldnt rule out radial remoulds easily,personally.I've got a set of Trakker 205 16 remoulds on mine,with no problems so far.They give good grip in such mud as I've been in,are fine on road and are wearing well.Article on p10 of the Apr LRW is worth reading,too.Also,the things cost me #35 each,inc VAT, fitted. Cheers Mike R From rvirzi@gte.com (Robert A. Virzi) Wed Apr 5 10:21:30 1995 Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 10:21:30 -0400 From: rvirzi@gte.com (Robert A. Virzi) Subject: Disco comments and questions Hey! All you disco owners out there, I've got a couple of questions for you. Maybe a comment or two thrown in for potential/soon-to-be disco owners as well. This is a bit long, so hit 'd' now if you aren't interested. I picked mine up last week, from MetroWest LR in the Boston area (nice guys, btw). I was setting up the truck this weekend, and was surprised to find a lack of storage space for standard issue items. The under seat area isn't useful because of electronics and stuff (what is that under the passenger seat?). 1. Where'd you put the owners manual? It doesn't fit in the glove box due to the airbag. At least my wife managed to jam the box when the manual was in there, so I wanted to move it. I ended up putting it in the drivers side door bin, but this doesn't seem like a great solution. 2. Where do you stow around-town necessities like snow scrapers, The Club, rags? 3. What about offroad things, like tools, jack, ropes, etc? My life is complicated by two kids that >insist< on riding in the jump seats. I suppose without them, things would be easier. Probably not as much fun, though. I'm thinking about hooking up some kind of cargo net to hold things against the seat, like many sedans have in there trunks, to keep smaller things from sloshing around. Anyone know a source for those nets? 4. Where does one put ones travel mug whilst commuting? I balance it on the console between the (auto) gear selector and the passenger side lip, but not when the truck is moving. It isn't stable. I've heard RN has mugs that slip into the holders, but I've misplaced my last newsletter so haven't had a chance to check. 5. Is the supplied hydro jack any use when stuck? I'm wondering if the spot that holds it can be modified to accommodate a longer lift version. I haven't been able to do any serious offroad yet, but I did manage to do a little. I'm planning on exploring the Fort Devons site this weekend, now that it is virtually abandoned. I hear there is some good fun to be had up there. It is best to stay off the old firing range, however. ;-o My vehicle came with only two little imperfections. One is that annoying radio buzz when you turn it on. Has anyone noticed that if you leave the radio on, you don't get the noise? Maybe it is designed to work this way, although I didn't see anything in manual saying so. The other is that the gearshift selector doesn't quite line up with the red indicator thingy. Makes it a lttle hard to tell when a gear is engaged. Other wise, very solid, very clean, and well prepped. And I'd really like to hear how you've got your truck set up! -Bob rvirzi@gte.com Think Globally. === +1(617)466-2881 === Act Locally! From "Lapa, Hank" Wed Apr 05 09:23:29 1995 Date: Wed, 05 Apr 95 09:23:29 EST From: "Lapa, Hank" Subject: Retreads If retreads can be used on C-130s (they are), they ought to be considered for Land-Rovers, especially if the L-R is to be sold at the end of the trip. Hank From "Francis J. Twarog" Wed Apr 5 10:41:24 1995 Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 10:41:24 -0400 (EDT) From: "Francis J. Twarog" Subject: LRNA reps etc. I whole-heartedly agree with Stephen's suggestions/opinions in the 4/5/95 digest. I thought I'd include my own and elaborate on some of his... Up front, I don't think Land Rovers are for everyone and I'm sure LR themselves agree with me - they target customers by creating a product that they think is marketable in LIMITED numbers. The price of the Defender 90 sets it well above the average person and that is the person that LR wants as a customer. In essense, if they wanted to make a Jeep-competitor (in that $-range, I mean) in the US, they would have already. My hope is that in the future, LR (and LRNA) would really listen to the Rover enthusiasts - something that they sort of do already, but not enough... Simple things like being able to get steel wheels for the 90 instead of having to get alloys (or even an aluminum hardtop kit, but I won't get into that again...) or offering the Discovery 5 speed in option configurations other than" all or nothing" - how many people think that there is (was) a market for 5 speed or even 2 door Range Rovers here in the US? I guess I'm going off in a person tangent, but if LRNA is reading this, please consider offering a network to not only new owners, but to loyal enthusiasts - they're the people that will be able to offer the best advise! Send more reps out to rallies/ Rover events - I know that Scott Tucker shows up every so often at BSROA things, and I think that this is a good thing - perhaps this could be a more regular occurance? Quite simply, there has to be a venue for people to voice their VALUABLE opinions and the internet is just one way to do it. Put questionaires in the Aluminum Workhorse and other club newsletters... make yourself visible at the rallies... etc. etc. - It WILL be worthwhile and WILL help to solidify the future of Land Rover in the US!! Thank you and keep in mind, if you need someone to do this for you, I know of one soon-to-be college grad that would love to get involved (he can be reached at this email address!). Frank Twarog Vermont, USA From William Caloccia Wed Apr 05 11:07:39 1995 Date: Wed, 05 Apr 95 11:07:39 -0400 From: William Caloccia Subject: notes from rover friends surfing the net... >From cas@unb.ca Wed Apr 5 03:03:40 1995 Subject: Looking for WWW Site re Rover Cars Hello; I have found several ways to obtain information relative to Land-Rovers. I belong to the Rover Car Club of Canada and own a Rover 2000TC. I and another RCCC member are trying to make contact with a site on the WWW, if it exists, that does for Rover cars what the RoverWeb in Australia have done for the Land-Rover. Are you aware of a Rover car site on the internet? If so, would you please send me its www or e-mail address? Many thanks for whatever info you can provide. Tony Short Hi Tony, You may want to check out the brit-car pages located at WWW.Team.Net There are various automotive pages in the UK, but no Rover Clubs of which I'm aware. -B >From erussell@cln.etc.bc.ca Wed Apr 5 06:01:56 1995 Subject: Rover Car Club of Canada I had the pleasure of viewing your WWW pages and found our Club listed as a help source on the West Coast. That's true. However, the name you showed as The Rover Car Club of B.C. is about 5 years out of date. We received an expanded mandate by the Rover Group,UK to use the name The Rover Car Club of Canada. That doesn't restrict us to Rover cars nor Canada. We have many members in Washington, Virginia, and Arizona states. We have also just We noticed that Land Rover owners were well looked after by your www but that car owners needing advice could do with a contact. Regards, Eric Russell, Secretary, The Rover Car Club of Canada erussell@cln.etc.bc.ca Grade 6 teacher at Ridgeview Elementary School, West Vancouver, B.C., Canada Secretary of The Rover Car Club of Canada From ritter mark c <70472.1130@compuserve.com> 05 95 Apr EDT 1912 Date: 05 Apr 95 12:13:37 EDT From: ritter mark c <70472.1130@compuserve.com> Subject: Tirfor winches Does anybody out there know of a U.S. supplier of Tirfor winches. I have seen them advertised in LRW magazine, but as they are made in Germany I don't want to pay both the U.K. import duty and the shipping to the US. They seem like they would be much more flexible than a come-along as you would not be limited to a fixed short length of cable. I have senn them up to a capacity of 2.5 british tonnes @ 6000 pounds which should be sufficient to unstick all but the most insane. From Willyz@aol.com Wed Apr 5 12:45:53 1995 Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 12:45:53 -0400 From: Willyz@aol.com Subject: Wheels/Tires Series III 88 Hello, I am about to upgrade the wheels and tires on my 73 Series III 88 and would appreciate any helpful comments on tires anybody may have. I have 16" LR wheels (being painted right now) and am undecided on what tires to mount. I know, I know, it depends on what kind of driving I will be doing.......... I'm leaning towards a 235/75-16 Dunlop Mud Rover. I like the idea of a tall/skinny tire for both looks and to decease RPM. I don't see many 7.50-16s available around here. Any comments? Bill From rlarson@lsil.com (Rick Larson) Wed Apr 5 09:37:38 1995 Date: Wed, 5 Apr 95 09:37:38 PDT From: rlarson@lsil.com (Rick Larson) Subject: Re: LRNA reps etc. >The price of the >Defender 90 sets it well above the average person and that is the person [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)] >Jeep-competitor (in that $-range, I mean) in the US, they would have >already. ....stuff deleted...... >even 2 door Range Rovers here in the US You'll probably want to hit up your Congressmen first. In order to protect Jeep from 2 door competion (Suzuiki, Geo, etc.) The US government imposed a 25% tariff on 2 door sport utilities. Remove the 25% and you start getting a lot closer in price to a fully loaded, 6 cylinder, Wrangler. It is also why most import 2 door SUV's (Landrunners, Pathfinders etc.) have disappeared from the market. The 25% duty means they end up costing more than 4 door versions. >Frank Twarog >Vermont, USA >that LR wants as a customer. In essense, if they wanted to make a I recently called LRNA about '96 D90 availability. LRNA either really doesn't know or for business reasons has decided not to release this info yet. Anyone answering to email is going to be operating under the same constraints. Either that, or do a grave disservice to their corporation and leak internal information. If they lurk, and use that information to improve their products, more power to them. Using internet as a medium for communication with their customers does not imply increased information flow. Nor, that they will grant all our wishes. ($10K RR's or a '96 Series IIA 88). I do hope they take the internet opportunity seriously. It provides a very direct and convenient way to reach their customers. I don't expect it to get me an aluminum top for my D90. Someone at LRNA has to make that decision. -Rick Rick Larson From labranch@sybase.com (Jason LaBranch) Wed Apr 5 10:06:14 1995 Date: Wed, 5 Apr 95 10:06:14 PDT From: labranch@sybase.com (Jason LaBranch) Subject: Irratic Timing We are talking about a 1970 IIA 88" 2.25 petrol. When I try to time my beast the timing mark moves around iratically. Most will say that this is my timing chain, but here, I have another piece of infomation that is usefull. When I attach my tachometer to the beast and the rpms are over 1000 then the needle is steady. When the rpms drop below 1000 then the needle begins to bounce around ABOVE and BELOW the 1000 rpm mark. I think this is a problem with the distributor. What do you think? I do not want to lay down $195 if I do not need to. Yours, Jason From "Lapa, Hank" Wed Apr 05 12:25:44 1995 Date: Wed, 05 Apr 95 12:25:44 EST From: "Lapa, Hank" Subject: Re: Wheels/Tires Series III 88 Bill, I got some Daytons about seven years ago, mud tires with self-cleaning tread, tall and thin -- great in snow. I don't know about present availability, but everyone whose seen them likes them. (I don't drive the beast enough to have worn them out yet. Noise...what noise? You'll have to speak up. ;-) Hank > Subject: Wheels/Tires Series III 88 > Author: Willyz@aol.com at Zeus [ truncated by lro-digester (was 13 lines)] > appreciate ........ > Bill From berg@acf2.NYU.EDU (Jeff Berg) Wed Apr 5 14:48:49 1995 Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 14:48:49 -0400 From: berg@acf2.NYU.EDU (Jeff Berg) Subject: Re: Webbing winches Dave VE4PN writes: >Well the webbing I use here for towing is about 4" across and has "D" >Rings at each end. I hope I haven't implied that I disapprove of nylon webbing for towing. I believe I stated that my tow/recovery strap is constructed of nylon. My concern was directed at using nylon stap in a winch. As in many feet of the webbing wrapping around and around the winch drum. It seems to me that webbing with a small enough cross section to actually do this would not be strong enough for the job. In addition, nylon webbing is subject to abrasion damage. (So is steel cable, but not to quite to the same degree.) >I guess I would rather have them hit me under load than a steel cable. If it actually hits you under load, that is to say a snapped strap, it's gonna feel just as bad as the cable. And now on to more pleasant thoughts... Keep on Roverin' JAB == == Jeffrey A. Berg Interactive Telecommunications Program Technical Administrator New York University berg@acf2.nyu.edu ================= My garden is full of papayas and mangos. My dance card is filled with merengues and tangos. Taste for the good life. I can see it no other way. --Jimmy Buffett, Lone Palm (live version) == == From Sanna@aol.com Wed Apr 5 14:58:03 1995 Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 14:58:03 -0400 From: Sanna@aol.com Subject: Re: Irratic Timing Your erratic timing IS due to a loose timing chain. More than likely you've broken a tooth of the tensioner ratchet. Bite the bullet now and replace it before the chain snaps and you have to rebuild the head to replace bent valves. It's not a hard job, just a lot of unbolting to remove the radiator & stuff. Believe me. In 25 years I've gone through a number of chains. I ultimately solved the problem by replacing the mains and the oil pump. My pressure jumped from 40 to 60 lbs. and solved the problem of sloppy chains. From Benjamin Allan Smith Wed Apr 05 12:36:39 1995 Date: Wed, 05 Apr 1995 12:36:39 -0700 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Subject: Re: LRNA reps etc. Francis Twarog wrote: The price of the Defender 90 sets it well above the average person and that is the person that LR wants as a customer. In essense, if they wanted to make a Jeep-competitor (in that $-range, I mean) in the US, they would have already. I have to disagree with this. I don't think that the price of the D90 in the US necessarily means that LR doesn't only want the above average income person as a customer. I think that LR would like to compete with Jeeps, but the facts of life prevent that. First, I believe that the D90 is a no hold barred, off road vehicle that is designed to last for decades of off road use. (And lets not get into the Series vs defender survivability through the ages debate again). So as not to compromise quality of the product, I would understand if the D90 was somewhat more expensive than its competition. So what is the cost of a US spec D90? According to a post from Jim Pappas a while back MSRP for a hardtop variant is about US $32k. For the foreigner on the list the US spec D90 has special roll cage and only comes with a 3.9l 182 hp V8. From talking to dealers in a non dealership/non-customer situation, LR is not making much (if any) profit on the D90s in the US--I think they were mostly imported as a way to intro the Disco. We all know that the US slaps a 25% tarriff on 2 door SUVs. This is probably before any state or local taxes, so the tariff probably equates to US$7 to $8000. Right there the price is dropped to $24 to $25,000. Also the V8 is not standard and has to have US admission controls. And the roll cage is a US market thing only, which means special manufacturing for a limited number of vehicles (2000 or so--Jim could probably answer this one). This equates to more dollars on the price. So without the cage and with the 300 Tdi, I would expect the hartop D90 to be about US$22,000. Suddenly, the LR is in the affordable price bracket for many more people. So it looks like life, the case of the D90, has forced LR to sell in a higher price range. Working backwards is ok, but if we look at known prices in other places do we get the same answer. Rovers North also will buy a LR from the factory and ship it anywhere in the world for you (except the US). I can't remember their price for a hardtop, but I recall their price for a soft or pickup top (I can't remember which) was about US $20,000 plus shipping and local taxes. From earlier posts on this forum, a shipping a container from UK to the US is about US $1000 to $US 1500. Factoring in this + a hartop(say $500), we get a base vehicle price of about $22,000 US. Remember that RN is making a profit on this price and that shipping for LR would be less because they'll ship in bulk. In any case the two answers are exactly the same. (I forgot to say it above, but the RN price was for a TDi vehicle). The MRSP also includes dealer profit and LR profit. (Oh, and to be fair, I didn't know the answers were going to be identical beforehand, I was kind surprised when I looked up the the preceeding paragraph to compare and the numbers were the same). So I would be forced to conclude that LR is not making much profit on the D90s and cannot reduce the price by any significant amount with the current regulations. There have been rumors of a new, economy, 4 door, unibody LR being developed. But if it exists, such a vehicle may have duribility and ruggedness sacrificed to keep the price down. We'll have to wait and see on that one though. -Benjamin Smith ---------------- Science Applications International Corporation Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil 1972 Land Rover Series III 88 From mtalbot@InterServ.Com (Mark Talbot) Wed Apr 5 13:14:59 1995 Date: Wed, 5 Apr 95 13:14:59 PDT From: mtalbot@InterServ.Com (Mark Talbot) Subject: Re: SIIA Parts for sale All, Just bought a good SIIA station wagon, 16" wheels etc, the frame is in okay state needs patching though. The engine and box are in good condition. They have approx. 65K on the clock. Anyway I'm breaking it up in a few weeks if anyone is interested in any parts, send me an-email with your requirements. Mark From ritter mark c <70472.1130@compuserve.com> 05 95 Apr EDT 1917 Date: 05 Apr 95 17:06:44 EDT From: ritter mark c <70472.1130@compuserve.com> Subject: Brano and Tirfor winches As an addendum to my previous message I have found another brand of cable winch known as the BRANO. There are several adds for this unit in LRW magazine. If anybody could give me some info on either this or the Tirfor, particuarly the name and location of the manufacturer and whether they have a US distibutor it would be a great help. Mark Ritter 94 Disco From Benjamin Allan Smith Wed Apr 05 14:26:19 1995 Date: Wed, 05 Apr 1995 14:26:19 -0700 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Subject: Re: Irratic Timing Sanna@aol.com wrote: > Your erratic timing IS due to a loose timing chain. More than likely you've > broken a tooth of the tensioner ratchet. Bite the bullet now and replace it > before the chain snaps and you have to rebuild the head to replace bent > valves. Replace bent valves if the timing chain snaps? I don't see how this would happen. Last year I suffered a stuck valve on my 2.25 petrol. Based on my measurements, if a valve is jammed fully open, there is still clearance between it and the piston at all times. So what would bend the valve? If the valve jams by itsself, you will bend the push rod, but if the chain snaps, the cam will stop and the valves will remain static. -Benjamin Smith ---------------- Science Applications International Corporation Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil 1972 Land Rover Series III 88 From "Russell G. Dushin" Wed Apr 5 17:40:13 1995 Date: Wed, 5 Apr 95 17:40:13 EDT From: "Russell G. Dushin" Subject: Re: LRNA reps etc. > more power to them. Using internet as a medium for communication with their > customers does not imply increased information flow. Nor, that they will > grant all our wishes. Yo, Mr. Rep- My only wish is that you guys continue to support the series rigs parts business.....you can make a little cash on me an my cronnies for the rest of your lives and your kids lives and your grandkids lives and..... Please, or I'll never buy a new Range Rover product, EVER. rd/nigel From "Russell G. Dushin" Wed Apr 5 17:58:15 1995 Date: Wed, 5 Apr 95 17:58:15 EDT From: "Russell G. Dushin" Subject: Re: Irratic Timing > When I attach my tachometer to the beast and the rpms are over 1000 then eluded lro-lite > the needle is steady. When the rpms drop below 1000 then the needle begins eluded lro-lite > to bounce around ABOVE and BELOW the 1000 rpm mark. eluded lro-lite > I think this is a problem with the distributor. What do you think? I do eluded lro-lite > not want to lay down $195 if I do not need to. eluded lro-lite Well, let's see.....my fave diagnosis is to do the "yank the plugs, pull the cap, rock the crank back and forth and look for play at the distributor" trick.....so why not just pull off the valve cover and do the same? Because you don't have an overhead cam, that's why! DoOP! So, why not remove the distributor and just check it out? While you're there, peek into the hole you've left behind, and have someone else rock the crank back and forth for you....look for play at the distributor's drive. If there is excessive play there then that's "upstream" of your distributor...Just gotta be sure that when you rock the crank back and forth-usually done just by turning the fan blade- that you are actually turning the crank and not just slipping the belt......and make sure you go back and forth, and not just in one direction.....ain't gonna see no play when it's all taken up. rgds, rd/nigel ps anyone going to Limerock for the vintage racing this Saturday? From labranch@sybase.com (Jason LaBranch) Wed Apr 5 15:12:21 1995 Date: Wed, 5 Apr 95 15:12:21 PDT From: labranch@sybase.com (Jason LaBranch) Subject: Re: LRNA reps etc. > So what is the cost of a US spec D90? According to a post from > Jim Pappas a while back MSRP for a hardtop variant is about US $32k. [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)] > on the D90s in the US--I think they were mostly imported as a way to intro > the Disco. Ben, Actually, I think they are making a bundle if you pay $32k. I believe the Dealer Cost is around $24k. $8000 is a big profit. A lot of times the dealer cost is greater than what the dealer actually pays for the vehicle. A lot of times the dealer gets a kick back from the manufacturer for selling a vehicle. I know people who have bought their vehicles for $300 over dealer cost. If you could do that with LRNA then you could get a stock Defender for ~$25,000. Jason From LANDROVER@delphi.com Wed Apr 05 18:38:56 1995 Date: Wed, 05 Apr 1995 18:38:56 -0500 (EST) From: LANDROVER@delphi.com Subject: Re: Charge Probs (yet another) TeriAnn's reply to S|ren... > > to start. The problem is a flat battery. What puzzles me is that the > > charge bulb is always on when starting and goes out immediately when > > the engine turns. So it must be charging i guess. .....snip..... > I believe that means your generator is kicking out enough voltage while > the engine is running that there isn't enough drainage of the battery to > light the filiment. .....snip..... > clean your battery terminals & check fluid levels. If you can, check the > battery to see if you have a weak or bad cell (replace if necessary). Enlightenment, from the voice of experiance... I'd have to agree with everything TeriAnn says.. Clean all the connections! Then pull the battery and take it to a garage and have them check the electrolytic level. You're "well-kept Volvo" battery would be my number one suspect. Especially if you can't hand-crank start the beastie. > Of course you CAN cheat, push start the car & take it to Sears & ask for a > free diagnosis. Well... I'd agree with everything but this last bit... :) Cheers Michael Loiodice E-MAIL landrover@delphi.com 166 W.Fulton St. VOICE (518) 773-2697 Gloversville NY, 12078 1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern) R.I.P. 7 1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol #:-}> 1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol From LANDROVER@delphi.com Wed Apr 05 18:38:27 1995 Date: Wed, 05 Apr 1995 18:38:27 -0500 (EST) From: LANDROVER@delphi.com Subject: Re: HELP !! RUST William Smith is depressed... > I am really depressed since this morning. I went to show somebody where > the chassis number is stencilled on my SIII 2,25l pup and discovered > rust there. *You're* depressed??? You should take a look at old Fern's frame.. It's got more steel plates welded on than you can count and it *still* has holes!! Even some of the places that were repaired are rusting through... > How do I go about fixing this ? > I've got an arc welder and gas (oxy/acetylene) welding equipment. > PLEASE I'm really distressed !! OK.. get more depressed.. Once the rust demon starts, he likes to eat away where you *can't* see.. I'm not a welder, but the general technique is to cut out the nasty bits and weld in some nice clean steel.. (old road signs, barbed wire and surplus armor won't do!) Poke around with a hammer and see if there are any other weak spots... fix them at the same time. Once you're done, give everything a liberal coat of 90wt oil.. inside and out. Cheers Michael Loiodice E-MAIL landrover@delphi.com 166 W.Fulton St. VOICE (518) 773-2697 Gloversville NY, 12078 1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern) R.I.P. 7 1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol #:-}> 1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol From LANDROVER@delphi.com Wed Apr 05 18:39:08 1995 Date: Wed, 05 Apr 1995 18:39:08 -0500 (EST) From: LANDROVER@delphi.com Subject: Re: Erratic Idling Revisited Chris Stevens has visions of Rover fireballs... > the carb is not leaking...except when I shut the motor down. Then fuel > continues to trickle through the fuel line into the carb and collects on > top of the butterfly, then oozes out the rear of the spindle eventually > dripping on the manifold (now you see why I'm concerned). Is the carb body Did you check the float level?? Might be a tad too high... And yes, the carb body can wear, which leaves too much play in the throttle shaft, letting air in, causing things to run too lean, etc, etc... You might be able to get an oversized shaft or you might be able to fabricate bushings for the shaft you have... Cheers Michael Loiodice E-MAIL landrover@delphi.com 166 W.Fulton St. VOICE (518) 773-2697 Gloversville NY, 12078 1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern) R.I.P. 7 1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol #:-}> 1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol From LANDROVER@delphi.com Wed Apr 05 18:39:22 1995 Date: Wed, 05 Apr 1995 18:39:22 -0500 (EST) From: LANDROVER@delphi.com Subject: Re: Roof paint Dixon's reply on Roof paint.... > 109" Station Wagons had onlt the sunscreen portion painted > limestone. The main roof was painted body colour. 88's > were all limestome to my knowledge. Just went out for a look-see at the '65.. It's an 88 IIa Station Wagon. To the best of my knowledge, with the exception of the bulkhead and breakfast, it has never been re-painted. The lower body is pale green and the upper body is - pale green - and the roof is - pale green! The sun panel however is limestone. Actually, the lower body is a slightly darker shade of pale green than the upper body.. Two-tone green?? Did they do that? I say "pale green" because it's mostly faded.. The interior has the right color.. Light Green Cheers Michael Loiodice E-MAIL landrover@delphi.com 166 W.Fulton St. VOICE (518) 773-2697 Gloversville NY, 12078 1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern) R.I.P. 7 1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol #:-}> 1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol From Mike Fredette Wed Apr 05 15:59:55 1995 Date: Wed, 05 Apr 1995 15:59:55 -0700 From: Mike Fredette Subject: D90 costs > So what is the cost of a US spec D90? According to a post from > Jim Pappas a while back MSRP for a hardtop variant is about US $32k. [ truncated by lro-lite (was 7 lines)] > on the D90s in the US--I think they were mostly imported as a way to intro > the Disco. Ben, Actually, I think they are making a bundle if you pay $32k. I believe the Dealer Cost is around $24k. $8000 is a big profit. A lot of times the dealer cost is greater than what the dealer actually pays for the vehicle. A lot of times the dealer gets a kick back from the manufacturer for selling a vehicle. I know people who have bought their vehicles for $300 over dealer cost. If you could do that with LRNA then you could get a stock Defender for ~$25,000. Jason - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Folks, In talking with my friend at Rassmussen Land Rover/BMW here in Portland, the markup on BMW's is currently at 18% over dealer cost; Land Rover products on the other hand are sold at only an 8% margin over cost. Pretty slim, which helps account for the lack negotiating on Defender prices. There just isn't much to dicker with when working from only 8%. I guess we should be grateful they don't add on "additional dealer margin" like Honda dealers were so fond of doing a few years back. Rgds Mike Fredette Portland, Oregon. From Benjamin Allan Smith Wed Apr 05 17:00:04 1995 Date: Wed, 05 Apr 1995 17:00:04 -0700 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Subject: Re: LRNA reps etc. In message <9504052212.AA09673@yeola.sybgate.sybase.com>you wrote: Jason, > Actually, I think they are making a bundle if you pay $32k. I believe the > Dealer Cost is around $24k. $8000 is a big profit. A lot of times the [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)] > dealer cost. If you could do that with LRNA then you could get a stock > Defender for ~$25,000. So instead of working backwards, I went out and found the data. (this was published a month ago by Bill Maloney on this list and noone (that I recall) contradicted him): Invoice Retail dealer Profit US D-90 $25790 $28650 $2860 Soft Top, Sliding $1680 $1975 $295 glass door tops, Rear Safari Cage Destination $625 $625 ---- =========== ======= ===== ==== Total Req'd $28,000 $31,250 $3155 Options: Air Conditioning $1530 $1800 Black Paint $250 $300 Fiberglass Top $1120 $1400 Alloy wheels $750 $900 So the tarrif (based on invoice price) is $6447 which is slightly lower than. the $7 k that I guessed. All dealers of any type of car make a killing with the dealer installed options. According to Jim Pappas (a LR nut (SIIB FC, D110, andothers) and dealer), LR is making between $500 and $1000 a unit. Knock off that tarriff you get a base model price of roughtly $19,300 without shipping, dealer profit, or any top,cage,etc. -Benjamin Smith ---------------- Science Applications International Corporation Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil 1972 Land Rover Series III 88 From Spenny@aol.com Wed Apr 5 22:21:48 1995 Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 22:21:48 -0400 From: Spenny@aol.com Subject: Re: LRNA Lurker It would seem to me from a little research that I have done that our lurker is more than likely a LRNA employee who has a personal internet account and has joined our little group out of love of the marque, but has hidden his LRNA affiliation because he does not want to have to: a) deal with the office on his *own* time. - having to answer LR questions all the time-remember how much fun taylor became? **imagine if taylor got your home phone number** b) become the official voice of LRNA on the net -probably out of his jurisdiction-definately not a responsibility i'd want. I do however, think that you should come into the open. I also think you should deny or confirm the existance an "IDENTAROVER" book for US customs. If this person is trying to keep up on the LR underground (yup, that's us!) for a sinister reason- the identabook or another reason that is quite unfortunate, but by staying in the shadows you only convince us that you have motives that need to hidden most of the north americans on this list have been rover nuts since before the return of the LR to our shores, some have been rover nuts since before you left, we are going to continue to do our rover thing, with or without LRNA, most of us are completly outside any kind of dealer channel whatsoever, but if you are going to to lurk and watch us you should at least declare your intentions and let us know what you are up to. Rgds... Spenny Spencer K. C. Norcross Spenny@aol.com Haverhill, Mass. USA 508-521-4093 ===--===---===---===---===---===---===---===---===--=== 1969 IIA SWB - The Wayback Machine Now with most of the Federally requred electrics! From JAMES_CIRBUS@HPATC2.desk.hp.com Wed Apr 5 22:53:00 1995 Date: Wed, 5 Apr 95 22:53:00 -0400 From: JAMES_CIRBUS@HPATC2.desk.hp.com Subject: QUESTIONS ON D-90 Item Subject: FILTERS FOR D-90 GREETINGS, IT'S TIME FOR D-90 QUESTION AND ANSWER. 1. HAS ANYONE FOUND A CROSS REFERENCE FOR THE OIL FILTER ON THE D-90? I HEARD THAT A FRAM HP-1 WOULD FIT, BUT ITS LENGTH PUTS IT DANGEROUSLY CLOSE TO THE FRAME. 2. HOW ABOUT EXPERIENCE WITH SUSPENSION CHANGES/UPGRADES? I HEARD THAT LANDROVER PUT SOME HEAVY DUTY COILS ON THE BACK OF THE 90 TO AVOID SOME SORT OF IMPORT TAX. THESE COILS DETRACT FROM AN OTHERWISE GOOD RAMP TRAVEL INDEX. I WAS ALSO TOLD THAT "OLD MAN EMU"(sp), OUT OF AUSTRALIA, HAS A 2" LIFT THAT IS PRICED AT ABOUT $600. ANYBODY TRIED IT? HOW ABOUT REMOVAL OF ANTI-SWAY BARS? ANY INFO IS MUCH APPRECIATED. IF IT IS EASER, RESPONSES OR OTHER CORRESPONDENCE CAN BE SENT TO THE ADDRESS BELOW. JIM 94 D-90 CIRBUS_JAMES/HPATC2_03@i3125ent.atl.hp.com From jimmyp@netcom.com (Jimmy Patrick) Wed Apr 5 20:02:45 1995 Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 20:02:45 -0700 From: jimmyp@netcom.com (Jimmy Patrick) Subject: Calendar update Hello all, I have received lots of positive feedback about the calendar idea. In checking out what it would cost, I think we can do it if enough people want to participate. If we can get rid of 200 at around $10-15 I can break even. This quote would be for a twelve month calendar, finished size 9.5"x6.5"(folded saddle-stitched), four-colo(u)r plus gloss varnish, full-bleed photos, basically a really great calendar. If we could sell the inside cover to Rover's North or someone, we could each get a calendar for much less. I have been working on some ideas for the layout with a few photos from the RoverWeb. If you want to see where I am going with it and offer feedback, take a look at my web page at: http://www.netpress.com/jimmyp/ down at the bottom you will see a note that says something like "LROs take a look at my first comp of the calendar." click that to see a gif of one of the pages. If you have some photos to nominate send them to me at: jimmy patrick 437 university ave. los gatos, ca 95030 USA Please send an sase so I can return the photos and also get permission from the photographer. Any details about the photo can be included and the photogs name so we can credit the photos. cheers jimmy p.s. maybe the secret LRNA spy can buy the inside back cover as an advertisement and distribute some of the calendars. Ha! -- Jimmy Patrick jimmyp@netcom.com From Kd4ylx@aol.com Wed Apr 5 23:08:20 1995 Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 23:08:20 -0400 From: Kd4ylx@aol.com Subject: new subscriber/amateur radio Hello everyone; I am new to the list and thought it time to introduce myself. I have had a 88 range rover since 1989 and find it to be an outstanding vehicle. My off-road experiences have normally occurred in North Carolina on the beaches of Cape Hatteras Island located on the Atlantic Ocean. My wife and I have had two Jeeps which have not held up very well against the salt spray & water encountered while surf fishing there ! I was initially attracted to the Range Rover because of the aluminum outer body. Well, as you can imagine it does very well on the beach, and we have not had any problems with outer body rust. I am also interested in amateur radio and ask if there are other members of this list who have a similar interest and who have installed a hf radio in their vehicle. In particular, has anyone tried the "QMS" antenna/coupler offered by SGC located in Bellevue, WA ? meade stone, jr. kd4ylx@aol.com From gpool@pacific.pacific.net (Granville B. Pool) Wed Apr 5 20:29:21 1995 Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 20:29:21 -0700 From: gpool@pacific.pacific.net (Granville B. Pool) Subject: Snow Run One, Part 3 lro-netters: I have gotten busy and haven't had time to write Part 4 of the Snow Run One story but am going to try to put it together tonight. I have been posting each part on the Pacific list a day before I put it on the lro list. I want those who were involved to see it first. It's a good thing I have done that, too, because the participants have pointed out a few errors. I wanted time to add this note about the errata and to revise Part 3 before I posted it to the lro list. Sorry for the delay. Part 2 was mostly about the ford of the Rice Fork and, indeed, that was a day's adventure all in itself. Hard to believe that it only took a couple of hours, including damage control and vapor lock. Errata in Part 2 pertain to some details of the crossing of the Rice Fork. It seems that Ben did, after all, make it over under his own power. He kept stalling because his engine was running poorly, with a blown head gasket. But, by fits and starts, he made it. I saw what I saw of this from the other side (quite a distance) and my last photo of his effort, also from the distance, led me to the mistaken impression that Walt was pulling him out. Maybe he was just getting in postition to do so if required. Part 3, a quick exit the easy way, via Stonyford--NOT: Bear Creek is a beautiful spot and worth all the grief of the fording episode. If we aren't able to have our base camp there on the planned weekend at the end of this month, you owe it to youself to go there sometime. It is at about 2,100 feet elevation and so had only a few scattered patches of snow. Bear Creek, like all the creeks in the area, was gushing and rushing, swollen with snow-melt. Walt, John, and I were all expected home Saturday night. We had had our fun with the ford and had gotten the overnighters settled into a large campsite (there are many choice ones at Bear Creek). Walt and John were ready to head for home and said so but I guess I didn't think they really meant NOW. Suddenly, it dawned on me that they had meant it, they had just driven out. I hated to leave but Walt was the one who knew the way out and I wanted to follow him. So I jumped in my pickup and hurried to catch up. Even hurrying, I had time to ponder that those who were left were a group of dedicated enthusiasts who were well rid of the two non-Rovers. There is actually a bridge across Bear Creek. After that, the first couple or three miles were pretty easy, with a pretty good surface and little snow. But we were steadily climbing and the snow started to get thicker and thicker on the road. Pretty soon, not long after I caught up with Walt and John, it was back to slipping and sliding again. We took turns getting sideways and helping each other. Walt, with somewhat more clearance, was the one breaking trail. Eventually it became clear that, if we were to continue, it would be necessary to put chains on Walt's truck. I had two sets of chains along but none that fit my tires. One of the sets I had happened to fit Walt's 31x10.50x15s and we put them on his front tires. This helped for a while but we kept climbing and the snow kept getting deeper and deeper. Our skid plates were tobogganing badly on the snow between our wheel tracks. This was making it very hard to keep control. We stopped and studied the maps; Walt walked ahead a little. It was hard to face but nonetheless clear that we had to give it up. I don't remember what time but it was quite dark by now and we were having to break the trail with a shovel all the way. We had to go back the way we came. We had made five miles from the camp but if we continued we would have had many difficult miles still to go. So we backed down the trail to a wide spot, turned around, and hightailed it back to camp. When we showed up back in camp, the campers were just finishing their dinner (we must have been gone longer than it seemed to us!!). Fortunately for us, they had some leftovers. I was lucky enough to get a nice piece of open-fire-roasted chicken breast (it was delicious; thanks guys). Jason also gave me a tasty can of vegetable-bean soup. I was most grateful for the provender (remember my thick meat sandwich went sailing away down the river, to be followed later by Jim's Filson hat). While I fixed the soup, Walt and John headed back to that other soup. Yes, that's right, they unflinchingly steered directly back to the ford, IN THE DARK!! All but Jason and I went along to watch and to lend immoral support. I gotta say: Ol' Walt's no slouch; he did it, got back across in the dark with no more trouble than he had in the daytime. Not for me, I'll tell you, not with what I'd gone through in the daylight. I figured I'd just have to stay the night, so I asked Walt to stop and call Melanie (my wife) to let her know (turns out she was not surprised at all). I squeegeed some more water out of my footwells and looked for my sleeping bag. Aieeyah!! Suddenly, it dawned on me; the sleeping bag was on the floor in the back seat (my pickup has an extended cab). Yes, it got wet. Fortunately, because it is a mummy bag, crammed into a small stuff sack, it didn't get all THAT wet, mostly just near the top. So I got it out and dried it by the fire and Vance's gas lantern (which he tirelessly held up for me--what a guy). I eventually got it dry enough to make do. I put my old Goretex jacket on the floor of my pickup to put my feet on; otherwise the toe of the sleeping bag would have gradually gotten soaked. Since my pickup has reclining seats and plenty of legroom, I thought I'd be pretty comfortable sleeping there; WRONG!! I was lucky if I got two hours sleep that night. Sleep deprivation was really starting to set in. And yet: I felt great and had a wonderful time, as long as no difficult thinking was required :^) Sunday morning I was the first one up (in other words, I couldn't stand it any longer). I went out and tried to rekindle the campfire (well, I made a lot of nice smoke) and took a couple of photos before anyone else got up. We're an energetic bunch, I'll tell you. I don't know who could match us for dawdling in camp. It was great. Looked at maps, cleaned up months' accumulation of yahoo litter and put it in garbage bags, rebuilt Ben's engine (actually, just the manifold gasket, which didn't make it sound any better). [Revision Note: Ben corrected me on this; he only loosened that manifolds far enough to determine that the manifold gasket was not blown. Then he figured it had to be the head gasket. A compression check confirmed this by showing only 40# on No. 1 cylinder. No wonder he had a little difficulty with the creek crossing.] Eventually, we got back on the trail and tried again to go out to the east, over the same trail that Walt, John, and I had failed to conquer the night before. With Bruce's D90 in the lead, how could we fail? Easily, actually. We got maybe a quarter mile farther than the previous night and found that even the D90 was tobogganing. Where's that Unimog? We walked ahead to the next intersection of major trails (very difficult going, with the snow about two feet deep). The trail on the ridge, where we would turn, if we could get that far, was not bad at all. So we went back to the D90 to study the maps. We came, I regret to report, to the same conclusion that Walt had the night before, that it was hopeless. It would have taken most of the rest of the day to get everyone just to the trail intersection. After that From William Caloccia Thu Apr 06 07:21:38 1995 Date: Thu, 06 Apr 95 07:21:38 -0400 From: William Caloccia Subject: To all those trying to attract the attention of any LR employees... Now I know a lot of folks aren't going to like what I'm about to say, but at least read it and instead of looking after your own selfish interests, think about what it would be like if you were in this person's shoes... With regards to the questions, the theories, the speculation, the investigation, the tabloid reporting, the 'open letters', the attempts to 'OUT' this person from their closet: I've found this behaviour to be somewhat juvinile, VERY self centered and rather disrespectful. It falls somewhere _past_ curious, more toward being VULTURES, hovering about, trying to coax the person out of the shell waiting (or not) to innundate them with questions from the Mundane to the Innane, to the intrusive (with regards to LRNA plans). Personally I'd recommend that if anyone was associated with Solihull, or it's affiliates in the UK or International, or even just a Dealer or approved service shop, that they NOT make them selves known to the list. Why ? see below. Now being on the net can be a great comms link, and it can also be a real pain in the butt, and at this point, if there were just one guy, and it doesn't really matter if it were _the_last_guy_*, even the janitor... the punters on this list, carrying on as they are now, would make his being known as a guy from LR, e-mail hell. Why ? becuase you're not treating him as a person, you're not respecting his rights/privacy/him... you're holding him up as the end-all and the be-all of LRNA. So grow up kids. If you've got burning issues for LRNA, then put 'em to paper and post 'em and stop hurling this trash at alleged readers of the list. Cheers, --bill caloccia@Team.Net caloccia@Stratus.Com 1 3 dl OD L "Land Rover's first, because |--|--+ o | | Land Rovers last." 2 4 R ul N H '72 Range Rover *to truely undertand the concept of 'the last guy' dig out a vinyl copy of Arlo Guthrie's song "The Pause of Mr. Clause" (if I got the title correct) WHY ? if you still don't get it keep reading... There is no need to hassle this person with _YOUR_ questions.... - ------------ preaching mode = on: New LR Owners have channels, though not end-to-end electronic, to get thier LR product questions answered: If you've purchased from NEW or direct channels a late-model Land Rover product, you have access to a large dealer network who should be able to answer any question pertaining to those products. If you run into the uncaring Jaguar/Volvo/Honda/Mercedes/BWM or whatever salesman/service manger, etc. at your local dealer, than it is in your best interest to put your constructive comments as to how LR can improve their dealer base from screen to paper and mail it off to the national importer. As it would appear with most companies, even most computer companies, they are much more adept at handling paper and are much more willing to send off your paper note with appropriate attachements down the food chain and follow up on your complaints in a timely fashion. With regards to present or future plans of the LR company Who is to say that the person you are so desperately seeking is actually privy to some specific action ? If they were, they are certainly obliged not to publicize things unoffically. I would expect most of the professionals on this list should at least have some concept of this, and would be kind enough to extend courtesy letting other maintain their confidentiality. Questions about the suitability of LR part X for application Y: If you want to modify your LR with some other (LR) part, go ahead, do so at your own risk and buy the parts from whomever you please. Undoubtedly your national LR parts supplier can supply _any_ current LR part in their books. If YOU choose to apply it in a manner not sanctioned by the factory do you think that any punter from some LR subsidiary is obliged to provide personal engineering consultancy ? If you tossed these questions out to the list, you'd probably get no different an answer, and without a doubt it would be quicker, just don't be daft and ask for the engineering drawings, eh ? Series Owners Questions I don't know why you'd think that LR might be forsaking the owners of Series vehicles, with most of the parts still available as LR spares *through the appropriate channels* (Which by my understanding, in North America, Rovers North is the offical Importer of Series repair parts... not LRNA), and as Statesides folks are well aware the importer of Series vehicles into the US closed its doors _decades_ ago. If you've owned your series for any amount of time, then by now you've found parts distributors, and if you lack the means, a mechanic. All LR Owners have after market channels If your inquiries deal with NON-LR products or aftermarket items, then you are well aware, or should be well aware that there are any number of automotive accessory manufacturers dedicated to serving the LR enthusiest, without regard to the year, make or model of the vehicle. From "Steve Methley" Thu Apr 6 10:28:24 1995 Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 10:28:24 +0100 From: "Steve Methley" Subject: Re: Which tyres? Mike says: >got a set of Trakker 205 16 remoulds on mine,with no problems >so far.They give good grip in such mud as I've been in,are >fine on road and are wearing well....... You can get Trakkers in 7.50x16 too for your 109". Steve. From azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) Thu Apr 6 11:23:41 1995 Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 11:23:41 UNDEFINED From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) Subject: LRNA reps etc. >front, I don't think Land Rovers are for everyone and I'm sure LR >themselves agree with me - they target customers by creating a product [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)] >Jeep-competitor (in that $-range, I mean) in the US, they would have >already. My hope is that in the future, LR (and LRNA) would really listen Here, I have a 90. If I end up in the US, they wouldnt even be under consideration at teh ridiculous prces they're pitched at. LR are aiming purely at teh Yuppie market, not teh work tool market they fill over here. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Just another roadkill on the Information Superhighway +++++++++++++++++++++++ None-%er #1 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From Stephen Thomas 6 95 Apr GMT 1911 Date: 6 Apr 95 11:47:48 GMT From: Stephen Thomas Subject: Tyres et al...... Hi all, Mike, could you give me some more info on those Trakker remoulds you have, I saw some Trakker's on a SIII recently and thought they looked pretty good. I have some 7.50" x 16" Goodyear Hi-Milers on at the moment but I'd like something a bit more toothy, the Goodyear are crossplies as well, and I'd rather have radial. If you could tell me what tyres you had before and whether or not the Trakkers are better/quieter etc? Also you say they haven't worn much, how many miles have you done so far? On another note, I asked this a while ago so I'm sorry if I'm asking the unanswerable, does anyone know of a rheostat operated oil pressure sender for a Smiths electric oil pressure guage, like the electric fuel and temperature senders and not one that is pressure operated from the oil system? It'd be handy as I have the guage and wouldn't have to fiddle with fitting the T-piece. Cheers all Stephen p.s. James Cirbus.......STOP SHOUTING!..... From Stephen Thomas 6 95 Apr GMT 1911 Date: 6 Apr 95 11:56:57 GMT From: Stephen Thomas Subject: Movies, Movies, Movies.... Sorry I should have attached this to the last message. Didn't remember seeing it on the list of Movie sightings... Gorillas in the Mist - Sigourney Weaver When Dian Fossey first arrives in Africa the guy she got the research post from drags her off the plane, over to a nice 109 tells her that all the levers are because it's a four wheel drive and also how to operate a non-synchro gearbox: "Clutch in, First, clutch out, Second" Personally I don't see how this equates with double clutching, however. One problem, its in the late 60's (can't remember exactly) and the 109 has a SIII grill, but who really cares about continuity? Other Land-Rover's can be spotted, including the one Ms Weaver chases in reverse to speak to the Wildlife Commission chap, no reverse 180 though... Stephen From "Lapa, Hank" Thu Apr 06 06:57:46 1995 Date: Thu, 06 Apr 95 06:57:46 EST From: "Lapa, Hank" Subject: Re: To all those trying to attract the attention of any LR e Like I said, good headwork on his part, remaining hidden that is. Hank > Subject: To all those trying to attract the attention of any LR emplo > Author: William Caloccia at Zeus > Subject: To all those trying to attract the attention of any LR employees... [ truncated by lro-lite (was 140 lines)] > automotive accessory manufacturers dedicated to serving the LR enthusiest, > without regard to the year, make or model of the vehicle. From Mike Rooth Thu Apr 6 14:19:24 1995 Date: Thu, 6 Apr 95 14:19:24 BST From: Mike Rooth Subject: Re: To all those trying to attract the attention of any LR employees... All this,of course,assumes that there is anyone there at all...... Cheers Mike Rooth From "Jeff Young" Thu Apr 06 09:32:11 1995 Date: Thu, 06 Apr 1995 09:32:11 -0400 From: "Jeff Young" Subject: Re: To all those trying to attract the attention of any LR employees... >So grow up kids. If you've got burning issues for LRNA, then put 'em to >paper and post 'em and stop hurling this trash at alleged readers of the >list. There is contact information in the new registry for landrover.com. I sent a message to postmaster@landrover.com asking "since lrna has registered this domain, will lrna have a presence for information on the Internet?" unfortunately, the mail bounced - which i reported to this group. If you have the time, i suggest that you phone the contact directly and leave the "lurker" on this list alone. At least the contact will be reached at work. to find the phone number: whois -h rs.internic.net landrover.com nuff said Jeff Young young@mci.net From JAMES_CIRBUS@HPATC2.desk.hp.com Thu Apr 6 10:02:00 1995 Date: Thu, 6 Apr 95 10:02:00 -0400 From: JAMES_CIRBUS@HPATC2.desk.hp.com Subject: D-90 Prices Greetings, With all the prices going back and forth, I thought I would add my two cents worth. I was originally on the infamous Discovery waiting list. After many discussions with my dealer here, my wife and I settled on a demo D-90 off the lot. The truck had 600 miles on it. It came equipped with safari cage, windows, top, rear light protectors and A/C. We got this neat little package for about what Benjamin Smith listed as Dealer Invoice. The dealer insisted that they were only making enough to pay the salesman his $600. I guess what they didn't say is they were sick and tired of my daily badgering, and were willing to give up their profits to get me out of their showroom. Jim Cirbus From GuyEVER@aol.com Thu Apr 6 11:01:49 1995 Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 11:01:49 -0400 From: GuyEVER@aol.com Subject: RR Waterpump, need help. Looks like I am going to have to replace the waterpump on my 1988 Range Rover (3.5). No noise just a leak of undeterminable source. I'm still hoping for a hose squirting water at an odd angle and that being the source of the water, but I believe that is just wishful thinking. What I'm wondering about is the appx cost of a water pump and a good source for one. Seems like I read a post about it being a though job, but it looks pretty straight forward to me. Anyway, suggestions and help would be appreciated. Thanks, Guy From vortex@worldaccess.nl (Bert Palte) Thu Apr 6 17:07:34 1995 Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 17:07:34 +0200 From: vortex@worldaccess.nl (Bert Palte) Subject: Re: SIIA Parts for sale >Just bought a good SIIA station wagon >Anyway I'm breaking it up in a few weeks if anyone is interested in any parts, >send me an-email with your requirements. I'm interested, but I wonder, where are you located? Bert Palte Holland, Europe 1964 Series IIA 88" Petrol, ex-British Army. From Russell Burns Thu Apr 6 8:39:10 1995 Date: Thu, 6 Apr 95 8:39:10 PDT From: Russell Burns Subject: D-90 prices The Land Rover dealership in Detroit sell its demo units for 25.9K. This is with full cage, soft top, windows, and aluminum wheels. I have seen a couple of these advertised, and picked one up myself. As for the comparsion with the Jeep, A jeep runs 14 to 22K, and I didn't mind paying an extra 6 to 8k for a "truck" with an aluminum body. Russ 94 D-90 From labranch@sybase.com (Jason LaBranch) Thu Apr 6 09:31:00 1995 Date: Thu, 6 Apr 95 09:31:00 PDT From: labranch@sybase.com (Jason LaBranch) Subject: Re: To all those trying to attract the attention of any LR employees... Wow Bill! You feel very strongly about this; about as strong as Jory felt about Pierre's paper. ;-> From the amount of time you put into that letter, [uurrp ! Jason's drivil on the subject undigestable... -wpc] So, my message to this person: Come join use, have a beer, sit down and chat, it is warm in here, we are talking about Rovers and stuff, meet the gang. Jason LaBranch Software Engineer (those stupid titles) Sybase, Inc. From DEBROWN@SRP.GOV Thu Apr 06 09:59:54 1995 Date: Thu, 06 Apr 95 09:59:54 MST From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV Subject: Discovery setup... FROM: David Brown Internet: debrown@srp.gov Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics PAB219 (602)236-3544 - Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486 SUBJECT: Discovery setup... Robert, 1. I put my owners manual in the passenger door pocket. I think I had it in the glove compartment before though, are you *sure* it won't fit? I don't keep mine there because of all the... uh... "necessities" in the glove box. 2. What's a snow scraper? ;-) I live in Arizona! As for "the club" I don't golf. But seriously... I keep a rag and an umbrella just to the right of the drivers seat, between the transmission console and the seat. Fits nicely on a kind of ledge there. (Hey, what's an English vehicle without an umbrella?) "Club" may fit as well. 3. Offroad things... now there's a real need for a storage place! I keep all my offroad "junk" in a large plastic bin in the garage, and put it in the truck when leaving for the trail. It "used" to slide around a LOT in the back and bounce a lot too until I discovered that if you fold the jump seats DOWN, the box gets nicely wedged between them. I heard of another Disco owner who found a complete tool set from Sears that fit nicely in the rear door pocket. Of course, your kids won't be able to "ride in the trunk" (as my kids call it) on the "safari seats". (Kids... ya gotta LOVE 'em!) Your cargo net idea sounds good. I "complained" to Charles... (forgot his last name) from LRNA about the lack of a tie down location for such things in the rear. He made a note of it, maybe for '96? 4. Coffee mug, (or tea, depending on how "English" you want to be in your "English" rig) now I'm a MAJOR coffee drinker, and carry a LARGE cup to work each day, and refill as soon as I get there. It would NO WAY fit the cup holder, and I hold onto mine, but will place it on the automatic trans console whilst (hey, I'm getting the "nick" of the "English" language, no?) I get into the vehicle. Many places sell the mugs (with lids) that fit into the cup holders. Check the department stores, of any "coffee house" (tea palace?). One time some @#$-#$%- pulled out in front of me, I was in the center of 3 lanes, he/she (don't know) pulled out whilst I was going around 55mph, not into the closest lane, but into mine. So I quickly checked my mirror and moved into the left lane, they KEEP COMING OVER right in front of me!! By this time, I was 15-20 feet (5-7 meters) behind them and after JUST missing them, bouncing off the raised median, I ALMOST (REALLY REALLY ALMOST) rolled my "new" Disco, and required ALL 3 lanes to regain control! Tires squealed as coffee flew ALL OVER the interior! I think I probably even had 1 or 2 tires in the air as the Disco rocked from side to side of the 3 lane highway! My pants were wet! (I think it was coffee.) :-O Thank God for leather seats, they cleaned up easily. Did I learn? No, I still "gotta have my coffee"!! 5. The hydraulic jack has helped me one time when I got both front wheels in the air, and the frame resting on a LARGE rock. I had to jack it up, place rocks under, and re-jack with a rock under the jack to get enough lift. Not fast, but crudely effective. A hi-lift type jack would have been much better, provided there's a place to use it on the Discovery. Possible mounting locations would be on a "safari roof rack", behind the rino bar, or vertically somehow on the rear bumper, or maybe behind the spare tire (tyre) somehow. The radio buzz is something I've noticed too, probably a "normal" thing. All in all, a TOTALLY worthy off road vehicle. I have had a few problems though, (ABS not working, Alarm/door locks went out, sun roof wouldn't open, rear main seal leaked, valve cover gaskets leaked, starter replaced, sun roof screen latch broke, etc...) EVERYTHING has been replaced or repaired by the dealer under warranty. They even provide a free rental car while mine's getting repaired. Awesome customer service! I WOULD have to admit though, it seems like quality control with the Land Rover doesn't come close to the (gulp!) "Japanese junk" being sold. Even so, there IS NO COMPARISON!! ONE TOUGH RIG!! However, the rear lens guards aren't worth the double stick tape they're attached with! (That's right! TAPE!!! And one screw.) I lost one to a tree branch (most likely, but no way to tell for sure.) and the dealer wants around $280 for the pair. I refuse to pay that much for something that poorly designed. I complained about this too to LRNA. The good news is that I might have a line on getting a replacement for no cost. (Fingers crossed!) Dave Brown - '94 Land Rover Discovery 15,000 miles - Phoenix Arizona (USA) #=======# Never doubt that a small group of individuals |__|__|__\___ can change the world... indeed, it's the only | _| | |_ |} thing that ever has. "(_)""""""(_)" -Margaret Mead From chris.youngson@deepcove.com Thu Apr 06 11:00:16 1995 Date: Thu, 06 Apr 95 11:00:16 From: chris.youngson@deepcove.com Subject: NEW SUBSCRIBER/AMATEUR RADIO Nice to see there are more hams in the L/R frat. My call is VE7CST and QTH is West Vancouver, British Columbia. A couple of years ago a had alot of dealings with SGC (They are farely local to me) There equipment is mil-spec I believe. The antenna mount you speak of is fantastic. When coupled with there automatic matcher it creates a setup that can't be beat. I can answer specifics if you like I have all the brochures, etc. here. 73 DE VE7CST chris.youngson@deepcove.com From Solihul@aol.com Thu Apr 6 14:38:47 1995 Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 14:38:47 -0400 From: Solihul@aol.com Subject: Re:one lead alternators David John Place in Manitoba said he'd seen a one lead alternator for $90.00. I found a rebuilder who converts delcos to one lead (they say 'one wire' down here) and sold me one for $35.00US, plus a $10 core charge. Try finding a rebuilder who does ag-indust work. Eggs *are* cheaper in the country; this rebuilder's place was a converted chicken house behind his home. I'd have been put off, except he came well recommended. John Dillingham, Woodstock GA SerIII 88 From "Lapa, Hank" Thu Apr 06 13:41:57 1995 Date: Thu, 06 Apr 95 13:41:57 EST From: "Lapa, Hank" Subject: " ... outside looking in ..." Jason, Someone said recently that over 300 are now subscribed -- but how many are "regulars" (familiar names)? The rest, lurkers all, make you uncomfortable? Not me. Live and let lurk. It's obvious on a regular basis that we eat our young. (We Series guys cook 'em on the radiator grill!) We've got readers and posters who don't even have a Rover, yet or ever -- They must REALLY be on the outside looking in, nicht wahr? The mystery lurker has *already* been bombarded. Let's move on to an alternate target, shall we? OK now, someone mentioned beer....? Hank, Mechanical Engineer (those with quick but crude minds may fill in "erection" joke here) "the only thing worse than a stupid title is one that's a contradiction in terms." ;-) > Subject: Re: To all those trying to attract the attention of any LR e > Author: labranch@sybase.com (Jason LaBranch) at Zeus > From: labranch@sybase.com (Jason LaBranch) > Subject: Re: To all those trying to attract the attention of any LR employees... [ truncated by lro-digester (was 56 lines)] > Software Engineer (those stupid titles) > Sybase, Inc. From brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn) Thu Apr 6 11:51:29 1995 Date: Thu, 6 Apr 95 11:51:29 PDT From: brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn) Subject: Re: QUESTIONS ON D-90 Re oil filters I think the Fram hp-1 is the only alternative I've found for the RR (which uses the same filter as the D-90 I suspect) other than the Crossman ones I've bought from Atlantic British. However the new LR official ones are not badly priced from the dealers now -- I used one of those last time. Cheers John Brabyn From "TeriAnn Wakeman" Thu Apr 6 11:51:13 1995 Date: Thu, 6 Apr 95 11:51:13 -0700 From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" Subject: Re: To all those trying to attract the attention of any LR employees. In message <199504061636.RAA04792@chunnel.uk.stratus.com> Jason LaBranch writes: > Here is my thang: There is no reason he/she should not make an > introduction to us. I am not affraid to tell people what I do [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)] > for a living, and I am not going to put one of those stupid disclaimers > at the end of my message either. Reading the HUGE pile of e-mails on this subject..... It reads to me like a witch hunt buy an number of people trying to sweet talk someone out into the open so they could lynch him. If it was me, I'd hide. Something is bound to come up to make people forget about this witch hunt. But if it was me I would be recognizable as having a US spec 110 reboddied into a 2 door version. Since I have an aging 109 & an apple.com address, it can't be me. I just get to deal with Land Rover & British car subscribers wanting to know what computer to purchase or with operating systems questions. So.. Hey Dixon, what do you think about Defenders?...Mike, what do you think about Dixon? Maybe we can change the subject! Maybe Nute is lurking and getting ready to close down the US internet backbone so save up more money to give to rich people? TeriAnn Wakeman Large format photographers look at the world twakeman@apple.com upside down and backwards From "Lapa, Hank" Thu Apr 06 13:53:45 1995 Date: Thu, 06 Apr 95 13:53:45 EST From: "Lapa, Hank" Subject: High-Aspect Ratio Tires Of possible interest to those who like tall, narrow tires for their snow qualities, these are what I've been running since about 1988: Daytona Radial Stag M/S LT235R16 Radial 4-ply tread (2 poly, 2 steel) 2-ply sidewall Like I said earlier, not sure of present availability, but a real aggressive self-cleaning tread that looks the part fer sure. Hank the Yank From Russell Burns Thu Apr 6 12:26:54 1995 Date: Thu, 6 Apr 95 12:26:54 PDT From: Russell Burns Subject: D-90 tires It seems that there is a shortage on BFGoodrich 265/75R16 tires. My local tire dealer couldn't locate them anywhere. So we are looking at some other brands. I never realized that I might have a problem finding tires for the beast. Any one running different size/brands on their D-90? I am looking for an AT type tread, but still plan to abuse them. (I have more trees to drag out) Russ Burns D-90 with 4 out of 5 tires 91 R-Rover with all 5 tires. From brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn) Thu Apr 6 12:49:25 1995 Date: Thu, 6 Apr 95 12:49:25 PDT From: brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn) Subject: Re: The hydraulic jack on a Disco telescopes! Probably it's the same jack as supplied with RRs, which is a good one, EXCEPT I had a bad experience with it a couple of weeks ago when I had just got unstuck and found I had a flat; I was jacking up the wheel when the jack suddenly stopped pumping! The arm wanted to push itself back up again every time I pushed it down ! I guess the non-return valve stopped working! After a few minutes of panic, collecting rocks to put under it and getting ready to dig a hole under the wheel, it cured itself! If any of you jack experts know what happened and how I can prevent prevent a recurrence, I'd be grateful! I will check the oil level in it but don't know if that would cause the problem anyway. Cheers John Brabyn 89RR From DEBROWN@SRP.GOV Thu Apr 06 11:42:19 1995 Date: Thu, 06 Apr 95 11:42:19 MST From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV Subject: Re: Discovery setup... FROM: David Brown Internet: debrown@srp.gov Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics PAB219 (602)236-3544 - Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486 SUBJECT: Re: Discovery setup... Robert, Let's see how good my ascii art is, shall we??? High lift jack: ___ | O | \ | O | \ | O | \ \ | O | \ \ ------- \ \_| |____' < This is a flat lip that lifts the vehicle. \--|-----| (the handle goes off the screen on the opposite side.) | O | ------------- "Normally" the "lip" part of the jack fits underneath a bumper, and the jack (being from 4 to 5 feet tall) is next to the vehicle. Kind of like the "old bumper jacks" that American cars had in the '60's and '70's. The problem is where to place it on a modern car/truck without it slipping off the lip and falling. One advantage of a high lift jack is it's ability to be used as a winch. (As well as it's length.) I saw what looked like a REALLY neat jack in an issue of LRO magazine, it was a large "air bag" thing that fit to the exhaust pipe, and filled with exhaust, lifting up to 4 tons or so. (depending on model.) This looked like it'd be VERY handy! Imagine getting dug into sand, slide this little puppy under your rig, start her up, and voilla! The add showed a Range Rover with both wheels in the air on one side. HAS ANYONE SEEN OR USED ONE OF THESE??? Please provide us with a performance report!! Dave Brown - '94 Discovery - Phoenix Arizona (USA) #=======# Never doubt that a small group of individuals |__|__|__\___ can change the world... indeed, it's the only | _| | |_ |} thing that ever has. "(_)""""""(_)" -Margaret Mead *** Reply to note of 04/06/95 11:17 ========================================================================= Thu, 06 Apr 95 11:17:10 MST id AA20121; Thu, 6 Apr 1995 11:00:40 -0700 id OAA11547; Thu, 6 Apr 1995 14:15:23 -0400 From Bill Yerazunis Thu Apr 6 16:00:47 1995 Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 16:00:47 +0500 From: Bill Yerazunis Subject: The hydraulic jack on a Disco telescopes! [John B. talks about how his jack stopped pumping with back pressure on the pump handle] Yup, that's dirt in the high-pressure check valve. Either clean it carefully, or ignore it. :-) -Bill From Mike Fredette Thu Apr 06 13:24:01 1995 Date: Thu, 06 Apr 1995 13:24:01 -0700 From: Mike Fredette Subject: Re: D-90 tires Russ asks, It seems that there is a shortage on BFGoodrich 265/75R16 tires. My local tire dealer couldn't locate them anywhere. So we are looking at some other brands. I never realized that I might have a problem finding tires for the beast. Any one running different size/brands on their D-90? I am looking for an AT type tread, but still plan to abuse them. (I have more trees to drag out) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the tires on the new 95 D90's, they have gotten rid of the Mud Terrains in favor of the less aggressive, ie quieter, BF Goodrich AT Radial All Terrain, same size as before though 265/75R16. I think these AT tires are easier to come by than the MT's but actually, I'm surprised to hear your even having trouble finding those. BFG's are readily available around here in Portland. Rgds Mike Fredette D90 Portland, Orygun From "Lapa, Hank" Fri Apr 07 05:44:55 1995 Date: Fri, 07 Apr 95 05:44:55 EST From: "Lapa, Hank" Subject: Another Movie Sighting "Packin' It In" Typical Richard Benjamin / Paula Prentiss comedy about seeking a simpler life in the Pacific Northwest woods. Light green 88 becomes the new family car, of course. Amusing and watchable, but not especially memorable. Hanky From gpool@pacific.pacific.net (Granville B. Pool) Thu Apr 6 20:10:33 1995 Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 20:10:33 -0700 From: gpool@pacific.pacific.net (Granville B. Pool) Subject: Snow Run One, Part 4 Here, fellow netters, is Part 4 of the lastest escapades of the Mendocino Forest Land-Rovers Gnomes: At the end of Part 3 of our story about Snow Run One in the Mendocino National Forest, I told how we came to face the fact that we would have to return to the Rice Fork of the Eel River and repeat, in reverse, that dreaded-by-some crossing. Certainly, we were not going to get out over the pass and had to find some alternative. After we got back across the bridge over Bear Creek and headed back to the west, toward the Rice Fork, but maybe a third of a mile east of the Rice Fork crossing, we came to a turn-off for anther trail (17N04) which went south across Bear Creek (much smaller than the Rice Fork, let me tell you). We stopped and considered that possibility. This was the other end of a trail that we had tried on our previous outing, stopped by another creek crossing (where we ate our lunch). Saayyy, fellow travellers [a little aside]: It just dawned on me that that creek where we ate lunch on that previous trip had to have been the Rice Fork. So I just got out my forest map and--sure enough. Those who were on Scouting Outing One will recall that the trail forded right at a fork of the creeks and that we would have had to cross twice. The second crossing would have been over Salt Creek. That trail was a little tempting, as it crosses the waters of Bear Creek and Salt Creek separately and the Rice Fork near its headwaters where it is a lot smaller, without the water of these two creeks (not to mention Parramore Creek, Little Soda Creek, Rock Creek, and French Creek which 17N04 avoids entirely). Well, we were grasping at straws (or Strohs, no, that would have been Guiness). We eventually decided to go face "The devil we knew" rather than the another unknown one. So we found our reluctant selves back at the Indians' property and the treacherous waters of that little bitty branch of the might Eel. Well, we had learned a lot on the previous crossing. And we were determined to put our new-found smarts to good effect. So we made much better preparations this time, both to our rigs and to our team effort. Most, if not all of us put covers over our grilles. I, you'd better be*^*^*lieve it, re-routed my Dodge's air intake hose by wrapping it around behind the big, round air-filter, against the firewall. And I tied a tow strap on my A-arm and pulled it up over the hood and into the driver's side window. [Another correction note here: Ben pointed out that, when I was rescued before, it was not a tow strap that John and Mo attached to my A-arm, it was a big, fat (manilla?) rope that Ben had brought. I remember it now, Ben--lost my head.] And I hooked my heavy cable on the rear and pulled it up into the bed. I would be ready if I stalled, this time to effect a quick recovery before my interior became a fish tank. Jim took major precautions too. He covered his grille. He put a surgical glove over his oil breather (with the fingers tastefully arranged in an appropriate gesture, no doubt reflecting his healthy regard for the forces of nature). Some other clever preparations too, no doubt; maybe a mantra or two. I know I swore my undying devotion to the Bogaziti, before I dipped my proverbial toes back into the stew. We all took our time with our preparations before beginning to cross. We had learned: Ford in haste, repent at leisure!! Vance, I believe, went first, with no major trouble. He stalled once but got restarted and along under his own power to the other side. He then turned around and readied his winch for rescue of any who needed it. Ben stayed back and also prepared for rescue. Not needed, I'm very pleased to say. The first time we had crossed, some of our party bribed the landowners and hangers-on (mostly) with beer, to good effect. This time I had to contribute my buddy Chester, Chester Cheetah, that is. There were two darling little Indian children there to watch our every move and get under foot. They were right out of a Grace Hudson painting. As I was watching the crossings and awaiting my turn, the little girl (maybe, what, four or five) asked me, "How come you gotta bag of Cheetos in your truck?" I said, "Because I like them; would you like some?" Well, of course she would. I had long ago run out of film and the crossings were not nearly as foto-gin-ic this time anyway. So I went and got my bag of Cheetos (well, of course I did actually have SOME emergency rations, not just the floating sandwich). I offered each child the bag and he/she grabbed a huge double hand-full, spilling them all over the ground. After each had handsfull of Cheetos, I saw that it was about time for my turn at [gulp] dodging the ford. So I said, "Here, grab some more, I've got to go now. The boy again filled his hands to overflowing but the girl said, "Can I have the rest of the bag?" I said sure. The time had come: I hopped in my pickup and away into the deep water that was next to the east bank; at least, crossing in this direction, you know whether or not you're going to make it right away. This time, even my dodgey effort at crossing was uneventful. We all made it to the other side unaided. In large part due to better preparation but also due to our knowing that devil and having refined our fording skills. Some had learned to go a smidge more quickly, some a smidge more slowly. Some learned a better line (and Mo was once again there, knee-deep in the river, to point us in the right direction. Learning is good. learning is fun. I LIKE this school! Now that we were all across the river, we had prospects of something a lot better than beer and Cheetos. We were finally back on the restaurant side of the river! Of course, we weren't out of the woods and back to civilization yet. We still had a bunch of snowy hills to climb, ones that had given us just a bit of trouble on the way in, if you will recall, dear reader. Although we gamely spun, slipped, fishtailed, and slid a little, we actually did just fine and got back to Elk Mountain Road (pavement, what the heck is that?) without further incident and with a lot of very entertaining banter on the CBs (it was great that everyone had them). Once we were back at the edge of the paved road, we again lined up the Rovers for vapor lock. We all posed in front of the Rover-row for group fotos. We even had a moto-yahoo volunteer to snap one so we could all get in the frame. And of course we all huddled closely in front of my Dodge, to cut it from the shot. But hey, it DID get me back and WAS better than staying home. Sure, we were dog-tired and some of the group had a long way to drive home. But it was still early (yeah, we got out in broad daylight this time--hey, no one's perfect). So, when we got back to Upper Lake, we aired up our deflated tires, fueled our rigs, and fanned our inflated egos and warms afterglows. We convoyed over to Lakeport, to a nice little dinner restaurant on the lake (I mean, like, right by the lake, with sandbags, since the lake had risen so high). In we trooped, dirty, unshaven (well, I know, some of us never shave), and looking like we just crawled out of the mountains (well, so what, we DID just crawl out of the mountains). A couple of the fellows even had to keep their hats on to hide two days worth of "hat hair." And this restaurant has a real wine list and table cloths. No one seemed to mind. We sure didn't. Those of us who eat meat got big ol' New York steaks and devoured them with alactrity. And grins. In fact, our biggest problem, as we parted company on this trip, was our aching jaws from grinning from ear to ear for two whole days!! Even after we left the restaurant, we hung out together for some more discussion, sorting equipment, last-minute checks before heading home. Bruce and I headed back on Highway 20 to 101. The rest were going to convoy back over 29 through the Napa Valley. Before leaving, though, Vance had everyone who had an interior light turn it on for a couple of last pictures (Rovers only, I had to park out of the row). He shot toward the lake, the line of noble Land-Rovers against (partly in, actually) the water. Then he waded over toward the strand (under water and only visible due to the rails sticking up) and shot back toward Lakeport. How did those shots turn out, Vance? I hated to leave but really did need to get home and start catching up on my sleep. When I did sleep, that night, I dreamed good dreams. Very good. Can't wait to get back up there for the next run. Just can't buy fun like that. See you in the mountains! Granville From Solihul@aol.com Fri Apr 7 01:03:40 1995 Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 01:03:40 -0400 From: Solihul@aol.com Subject: Re: traction control, on the cheap Trevor Easton writes "considered split braking system, like SAABs" Try this: LR brake shoes are self energizing, that is to say, the leading shoe will 'bite' into the drum as it is applied to a spinning drum to slow that drum down. Next time you're cross axled, in low range, foot off the clutch, with one rear wheel spinning, *gently* apply the brakes with the left foot. Don't let it stall. The spinning wheel should be slowed down, and the stopped wheel, should be able to move a little before its leading shoe begins to energize, because, as the brake shoe does its thing against the drum the diff will do its thing and transfer torque to the other wheel. This has worked for me in other vehicles and conditions (a VW Beatle in snow, in Dixie) but I've not yet had a chance to try it in my 88. regards, John Dillingham, Woodstock, GA From cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine) Thu Apr 6 19:29:41 1995 Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 19:29:41 -0700 From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine) Subject: Re: HELP !! RUST William Smith wrote: >chassis number is stencilled on my SIII 2,25l pup and discovered rust there. It is where the leaf spring mounting is welded to the chassis. The rust is +- 5 x 3 cm. *** small holes are visible ***. How do I go about fixing this ? I've got an arc welder and gas (oxy/acetylene) welding equipment. You don't mention if your frame is galvanized or not, I assume not. After removing any dirt, grease, and paint about the area, and breaking off loose rust, treat the rust with phosphoric acid. This is the same ingredient used in Naval Jelly, and available at paint stores here in the US. Phosphoric acid will replace the oxygen molecule that attached to iron in the creation of rust. The resulting surface will be ready for painting, or in your case, structural or cosmetic metal repair. Michael Carradine Carradine Studios Tel.510-254-3324 Architect Architecture Development Planning Pgr.510-945-5000 NCARB RIBA PO Box 99, Orinda, CA 94563 USA cs@crl.com Unimog WWW page at ftp://ftp.crl.com/users/cs/cs/unimog.html From "Paul Nash "@tantrum.frcs.alt.za Fri Apr 07 09:22:45 1995 Date: Fri, 07 Apr 1995 09:22:45 +1000 From: "Paul Nash "@tantrum.frcs.alt.za Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest > Driving 2 x 109" SIII diesels from UK to South Africa. I've got _lots_ of advice for you (if you're at all interested). I'll try to summarise here, but if you want all the excrutiating detail, send me mail so as not to bore everyone else witless (unless they actually _want_ to be bored). I recently travelled about 7,000 km from RSA, via Zimbabwe, Mozambique, Malawi, Zambia, Botswana and back to RSA in a sIII diesel. I sold the Land Rover (sob; weep; wail) at the end of last year (and am now in Australia for a couple of years, trying desperately to figure out how to steal^H^H^H^H^Hobtain a 110 Tdi :-)). We travelled on roads ranging from good (RSA highways) to exciting (one road in particular, between the Luangwa and Petauke in Zambia, which took 8 hours to cover 100km and ruined my front springs). We also waded though the deep sand in Botswana. This was on vanilla 750x16 retread crossply tires, without any problems. They still have plenty of tread by the time that we got back, and new retreads are cheap anyway -- about R200 each (say GBP 40 each). We had very few problems with punctures, but spare tubes and patches are a good idea, as is getting all your tires removed & replaced before you leave (to make manual removal easier). Now for the unsolicited stuff: if you have four-leaf springs, replace them with the multi-bladed springs. LR used to ship "heavy-duty" springs to Africa, and they crack and break. Go over you springs to look for cracks and broken blades, and lubricate them _and the shackle pins_. It'll make replacement easier :-). Take a few spare shackes/pins, plus maybe even the two long blades (or a block of wood to go between the axle and bump-stop). Take a spare set of injector pipes (or two sets) -- they crack from the vibration on bad roads. The only major problems we had were springs and injector pipes. On rutted roads, drop your tire pressures. The mechanic who replaced my springs in Petauke explained that most foreigners run at 30 psi or so, and crack springs. Locals run at 20 psi, and have a smoother ride. Your mileage may vary :-). Don't expect to get a very high price for your Land Rover in SA. I sold a SIII diesel 109 hardtop, with roofrack, spare parts & wheels, jerry cans, ammo boxes, pick & shovel, etc, etc, and had _very_ few people interested and even fewer prepared to pay much. You're _very_ unlikely to get more than R20,000 (GBP 4,000) and are likely to get less :-(. It'd cost you about R10,000 per vehicle to ship back to the UK, so you may consider that option. Make sure that you trip goes via Lake Maclear in Malawi, and stay at the Golden Sands there -- it is a wonderful place to chill out for a few days. Try to get to the South Luangwa reserve, and if so, stay at the Flat Dogs campsite just outside the reserve. The owner (Jake) is an ecologist, and knows an enormous amount. Whatever else you do, go through Botswana, and travel through Chobe and the other reserves. _Don't_ leave your shoes outside, as the hyenas will eat them (happened to me!). Get a copy of the Loney Planet "Africa on a Shoestring", and take lots of small denomination US$ notes in cash -- we never needed to bribe anyone, but there were lots of hidden entry/exit costs whenever we crossed borders. Credit cards are pretty much useless, except in major centres. Good luck, and enjoy the trip -- I really envy you! paul From Pierce Reid <70004.4011@compuserve.com> 07 95 Apr EDT 1909 Date: 07 Apr 95 09:19:34 EDT From: Pierce Reid <70004.4011@compuserve.com> Subject: Bought D90 -- what a deal! Well, I finally bought a D90. Used, but with only 800 (yes, only 800) miles Coniston Green, many options including A/C, (though I am not sure a LR should *have* a/c.), brush guards, fender protectors, full softtop (gray) , alloys, side bars, etc. Never been off road. It was $25.9K... I pick it up in about 10 days... Used to belong to Les Wexner, the guy who founded the Limited, the Gap, Victorias Secret, etc. He has many Land Rovers, Range Rovers and Discoveries... (Does being a billionaire -- or founding Victorias Secret -- qualify one for the list of famous LR owners?? If so, Les should be on it.) I am a happy camper! Cheers, R. Pierce Reid From "David McKain" Fri Apr 7 10:12:56 1995 Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 10:12:56 EDT From: "David McKain" Subject: Craddock, Tailgates I just got a price from John Craddock on new and used tailgates. I'm very interested in purchasing one but don't have a clue on shipping and the like. Does anyone have some approximations on shipping and sevice from Craddock? Also, I would like to hear any opinions on radial vs. bias ply for off-road and general use. Thanks, David McKain 1966 SIIa Petrol mckain@faculty.coe.wvu.edu (304) 599-0120 Morgantown, WV USA From Solihul@aol.com Fri Apr 7 01:03:47 1995 Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 01:03:47 -0400 From: Solihul@aol.com Subject: yet another movie Mayb I missed it, how about "The Italian Job", with Michal Caine, made in the sixties, very mod. A 109 plays support vehicle to three minis prepared to carry about five hundred pounds of gold bullion, stolen from the FIAT factory in Milan. Benny Hill plays the computer genius hired by Caine to foul up the traffic computer in Milan, pretty funny, mildly suspenseful, soooo sixties. Regards, John Dillingham, Woodstock, GA From LANDROVER@delphi.com Thu Apr 06 20:22:10 1995 Date: Thu, 06 Apr 1995 20:22:10 -0500 (EST) From: LANDROVER@delphi.com Subject: Re: Fw: Talking Frog (fwd) Uncle Roger tells us... > A boy was crossing a road one day when a frog called out to him > and said, "If you kiss me, I'll turn into a beautiful princess." > He bent over, picked up the frog and put it in his pocket. The Boy... I'm glad! I thought maybe the frog would have turned into Taylor! Cheers Mike From Sanna@aol.com Thu Apr 6 17:43:16 1995 Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 17:43:16 -0400 From: Sanna@aol.com Subject: Re: The hydraulic jack on a Disco telescopes! >This means that the jack can actually extend up to about 20" tall. It's both impressive and scarey. Listen, don't over estimate that hydralic jack. It's the same type they've been puting in LR's for 20 years, and in a real recovery situation it is marginal. You're better off figuring out where to strap the HiLift and get on with it. I tossed the stock jack after it jambed with sand during a mid-river situation. It turned a reasonably simple recovery into an all day affair. From LANDROVER@delphi.com Thu Apr 06 20:21:52 1995 Date: Thu, 06 Apr 1995 20:21:52 -0500 (EST) From: LANDROVER@delphi.com Subject: Re: To all those trying to attract the a Bill sez.... > Now I know a lot of folks aren't going to like what I'm about to say, but yer right... > *to truely undertand the concept of 'the last guy' dig out a vinyl copy of > Arlo Guthrie's song "The Pause of Mr. Clause" (if I got the title > correct) The title sounds correct, but all I remember of the song goes like this.. So let's get Santa Clause - cause... Santa Clause wears a red suit, he's a communist.. Has a beard, and long hair - must be a pacifist. What's in that pipe that he's smoking? Mr. Clause sneaks in your house at night, He must be a dope fiend, to put you up-tight. Why do police guys mess with these guys? As to the rest of your post - rubbish! Why try to stifle a rumor by making a bigger deal of it? OK.. I see your point on "e-mail hell"... Just because the company I work for makes the glass for the Disco sunroofs doesn't mean that I'm qualified to answer *any* questions on the subject and I would hate to have a bunch of crazed Rover owners stoning me (especially this bunch!). So if this person is a lurker using a private account, fine.. Stay a lurker. There are lots of lurkers on this list. just like any other mail list. However, if LRNA subscribes to this list with a corporate account, then I for one believe that that fact should be made known. I mean, we're all here for the same thing, right? (Well, some *are* here for the beer!) > New LR Owners have channels, though not end-to-end electronic, to get > thier LR product questions answered: But is is nice to think that LR might actually use this medium for feedback from at least some of the hard-core owners. > With regards to present or future plans of the LR company And the future owners of Land-Rover products... Arrr.. enough from this soap box. Cheers Michael Loiodice E-MAIL landrover@delphi.com 166 W.Fulton St. VOICE (518) 773-2697 Gloversville NY, 12078 1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern) R.I.P. 7 1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol #:-}> 1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol Title? We don't need any stinkin' titles... From Dixon Kenner Fri Apr 7 16:19:49 1995 Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 16:19:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Dixon Kenner Subject: A pair of events... June 12th Annual OVLR Birthday Party From DAFREE@aol.com Fri Apr 7 15:07:30 1995 Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 15:07:30 -0400 From: DAFREE@aol.com Subject: Introduction, etc. From Mike Fredette Fri Apr 07 11:15:36 1995 Date: Fri, 07 Apr 1995 11:15:36 -0700 From: Mike Fredette Subject: Re: QUESTIONS ON D-90 JIM 2. HOW ABOUT EXPERIENCE WITH SUSPENSION CHANGES/UPGRADES? I HEARD THAT LANDROVER PUT SOME HEAVY DUTY COILS ON THE BACK OF THE 90 TO AVOID SOME SORT OF IMPORT TAX. THESE COILS DETRACT FROM AN OTHERWISE GOOD RAMP TRAVEL INDEX. I WAS ALSO TOLD THAT "OLD MAN EMU"(sp), OUT OF AUSTRALIA, HAS A 2" LIFT THAT IS PRICED AT ABOUT $600. ANYBODY TRIED IT? HOW ABOUT REMOVAL OF ANTI-SWAY BARS? When I first started off roading my D90 I had heard the same rumours about heavy springs to get the gross weight up, thus avoiding a tarriff of some sort. I also noticed that I was lifting a wheel on trails that my old Ser lll had made it through with no problem. At the time, nobody could give me a straight answer, even LRNA. I noticed in the Rovers North catalog that they listed two sets of rear springs for the 90, standard and heavy duty, so I took a chance and ordered a set of the standard ones, thinking all the US spec 90s must have the heavy duty type. Nope, the standard ones I received were exactly the same as the ones on the truck. Turns out, it's the sway bars that are limiting the suspension travel. I experimented and found that removing just the rear is the best solution, Providing a balance between handling and off road articulation. The rear is also much easier to take of than the front. I found that with both sway bars removed, the truck, uhh, well, it sways, in the corners noticably. Much like the older Range Rovers. With front bar installed, it still corners well on the road and gives enough rear travel to keep tires planted in most cases. I also noticed that with both bars installed off roading, on side slopes, or crossing diagonals, the suspension wouldn't soak it up, and tended to lean me over, often into a tree or two(thanks for the safari cage, it actually works). With the bars removed, no problems. Have no experince or even heresay, regarding Old Man Emu stuff, some of the Land Cruiser guys around here use it though. Seems like a lot of money to spend for something that removing the swaybars mostly takes care of anyway. As for the 2 in lift aspect, the D90 is PLENTY high for most anything. With a lift, you gain a little frame/ground clearance, but your diffs are still the same height. If you run larger tires then you open the whole clearance, higher cg, etc can of worms. Higher is not better in this case. Look at pictures of the crazy guys on the Moab, Ut trails, the best all use 33in or less tires, and that is some off the toughest off roading there is. How often do you use yours off road? I'll wager it's capabilities are more than up to most anything you can throw at it. Rgds Mike Fredette D90 Portland, Orygun From rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice) Fri Apr 7 19:49:16 1995 Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 19:49:16 -0500 From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice) Subject: Test Sorry to waste bandwidth with this, but several of us on this side of the pond are having trouble gettin on/back onto the 'net. Cheers to all. *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----* | A. P. (Sandy) Grice | | Rover Owners' Association of Virginia | | 1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730 | | E-mail: rover@pinn.net Phone: 804-622-7054 (Day) | | 804-423-4898 (Evenings) FAX: 804-622-7056 | *-----------------------------------------------------* From Julianbak@aol.com Fri Apr 7 20:33:23 1995 Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 20:33:23 -0400 From: Julianbak@aol.com Subject: Re: #3(3) The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest inch 109 rims. If interested, contact me at aol: julianbak Julian From "WILLIAM L. LEACOCK" <75473.3572@compuserve.com> 06 95 Apr EDT 1920 Date: 06 Apr 95 20:46:53 EDT From: "WILLIAM L. LEACOCK" <75473.3572@compuserve.com> Subject: tyres Andy 1)do not use 205 x 16 tyres on a 109, you lose ground clearance and load capacity and fuel economy. 2) Use radial tryes and ensure that they are fitted with good quality radial type tubes, do not use tubes unless they are marked with use for Radial, otherwise you will be plagued with punctures, watch what the tyre dealer fits, they can make extra money by using cheap cross ply tubes and charging you for radial. Use Avon or Michelin 3) Most remoulds will be worn out in 8 to 10 k miles 4) I recomend Michelin tyres, they are the hardest wearing of any tyres on sale in Europe, 50 k plus unless you use the aggressive tread patterns, then you can regroove them for some more use. Failing that the Avon Rangemaster is a cheaper option for a road / country tyre. Regards Bill Leacock Limey in exile From rlarson@lsil.com (Rick Larson) Thu Apr 6 11:10:49 1995 Date: Thu, 6 Apr 95 11:10:49 PDT From: rlarson@lsil.com (Rick Larson) Subject: Re: D-90 prices I've owned a Jeep Wrangler, (actually I have owned a Cherokee, Wrangler, and a Grand Cherokee, all new.) The Wrangler was the worst vehicle I've ever owned, even after going into the $20K range in lift kits, real tires, etc. It was awful on road and was just average off road. I replaced it with the Grand Cherokee after less than a year. The Grand Cherokee was a good car. Unfortuately it just got beat up off road. (After my first trip, all 4 of the "off-road" suspension shocks were leaking and had to be replaced.) Fortunately, it was stolen and I had the opportunity to buy a replacement. I was looking for a vehicle with the coil suspension, 4 wheel disc brakes, and V8 of the Cherokee, but that was better built for off roading. I bought a D90 and haven't looked back. The only options it has are the Black paint/leather seating package, fiberglass hard top, and the aluminum wheels. I've added a Warn 9000i winch on the ARB bumper, and front and rear ARB air lockers. Anyway, I've had both, the extra cost of a Land Rover over any Jeep is well worth it. Being classified as yuppie scum for driving a vehicle with out roll up windows is kinda of interesting though. The itemized invoice cost to dealer list distributed before is correct to the best of my knowledge. I do know of a least one "fire" sale to dealers in SO Cal. for around $1000.00 below invoice to clear the unloading dock. D90's aren't rare and don't sell particularly well. Deals can be found. -Rick '94 D90 Rick Larson From danielg@eskimo.com (Daniel Grambihler) Fri Apr 7 12:19:34 1995 Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 12:19:34 -0800 (PST) From: danielg@eskimo.com (Daniel Grambihler) Subject: Re: D90 costs > Actually, I think they are making a bundle if you pay $32k. I believe the > Dealer Cost is around $24k. $8000 is a big profit. A lot of times the These are stock prices for a D90 @ LR Scottsdale (AZ): '94: $26K '95: $28,650 Plus $400 Inland Plus $900 Tires (I STILL haven't been able to understand THIS brain-damage!) Houston: '95: $28,650 Plus $625 Inland (About 10 miles inland!) Plus $900 Tires (see above...) - Daniel From rlarson@lsil.com (Rick Larson) Thu Apr 6 15:58:04 1995 Date: Thu, 6 Apr 95 15:58:04 PDT From: rlarson@lsil.com (Rick Larson) Subject: Re: D-90 tires Check out the the tire selector feature at http://www.goodyear.com Rick Larson From "Russell G. Dushin" Thu Apr 6 16:38:48 1995 Date: Thu, 6 Apr 95 16:38:48 EDT From: "Russell G. Dushin" Subject: Re: Overdrives...wha' happa'? > All, (Those interested in the overdrives) > I HAVE 8 CONFIRMED, NEED TWO MORE. > WATCH THIS SPACE. Mark- What's the deal? Did two more requests come through? Am I on the list (or on the blacklist)? thanks in advance, rd/nigel From Richard Jones Fri Apr 7 00:35:32 1995 Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 00:35:32 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Jones Subject: Re: LR at the movies Tom Stevenson writes: > I enjoyed reading your film list; I remember a film from the 70s which > was a pilot or a film spin-off from the TV series 'Callan' with Edward > Woodward. none The Film title was "This is Callan" and was I believe set after the end of the series (the copy I have is dated 1974). Incidentally, the same Range Rover (STP 111J), somewhat more battered and without its black glass appeared in the episode "The Future Hour" of the 70's TV series "Survivors". -- _ __ Apricot Computer Limited ' ) ) / 3500 Parkside Tel: (+44) 121 717 7171 /--' o _. /_ Birmingham Business Park Fax: (+44) 121 717 0123 / \_<_(__/ <_ BIRMINGHAM B37 7YS Richard Jones United Kingdom Email: richardj@apricot.co.uk From cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine) Fri Apr 7 00:03:27 1995 Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 00:03:27 -0700 From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine) Subject: Re: Shocks (USA) for LR IIA 88 ? Anthony J. Bonanno <75034.3062@compuserve.com> wrote: >The heavy duty shocks that I installed 22 years ago have finally worn out. >Anyone have any recommendations for an over-the-counter replacement shock here [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)] >costly would be nice too) that I should consider. My LR is a 71 88" Series >IIA. I put Rancho 5000 shocks and steering stabilizer on my '72 Series III. Wow, what an improvement in my ride after nearly 16 years with the original set! My steering wheel and tire shaking at high speed completely went away. I priced them locally and from DAP. Both being about the same, I decided on DAP since they knew the exact catalog numbers and had them in stock. -Michael cs@crl.com From Mike Fredette Thu Apr 06 13:36:25 1995 Date: Thu, 06 Apr 1995 13:36:25 -0700 From: Mike Fredette Subject: Re: Discovery setup... Dave, Those air bag lifts have been standard kit for Camel trophy competitors for a few years now, but they always seem to get a hole popped in them at the most inopportune moments. In the videos I have, they mention several times "and here we see the team from blankety blank having to resort to their hand jack after their air lift jack failed while changing a tire". Perhaps they have improved on them in recent times, but it seems to me that these items are more suited to life ON hte highway rather than OFF. What happens to you when your disco frame is hung on a jagged rock, and right where you want to put your air lift is one of your trusty Arizona cactus varieties, or another jagged rock for that matter. See where this is headed? Not going to lift you very far. On the side of a nice smooth highway, they probably work swell. Rgds Mike Fredette D90, Portland, Orygun PS. Did you find that billboard yet? From "Steven Swiger (LIS)" Fri Apr 7 22:37:22 1995 Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 22:37:22 -0400 (EDT) From: "Steven Swiger (LIS)" Subject: Re: Overdrives...wha' happa'? Yeah, what was the deal again? please repost the original message.... Thnx, steve Swiger@luna.cas.usf.edu On Thu, 6 Apr 1995, Russell G. Dushin wrote: > > All, (Those interested in the overdrives) > > I HAVE 8 CONFIRMED, NEED TWO MORE. [ truncated by lro-digester (was 14 lines)] > thanks in advance, > rd/nigel From mccauley@hba.trumpet.com.au (Tim McCauley) Fri Apr 7 15:46:57 1995 Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 15:46:57 LOCAL From: mccauley@hba.trumpet.com.au (Tim McCauley) Subject: YES It's still Stuck... Hello again All >Our big headache at the moment is getting the transfer unit out of the >front chassis member. Well the steering relay is still stuck fast. Thanks to all the people that made suggestions about how to shift it. The most popular being the use of a jack under the unit and let the weight of the vehicle do the work. A good theory but I obviously need a heavier vehicle. Given that the chassis in the area of the relay seems to be in good repair we have decided to take up the suggestion that we replace the internal workings of the unit in situ. David McKain and our local parts supplier (who had a range of cautionary tales to relate about the potential damage to be done by over zealous attempts to remove it) both recommended his path. The good news today is that a shiny, freshly painted, reconditioned steering box arrived in the mail this morning. As soon as the RAIN relents its full speed ahead with the refurbishment plans. Now far be it from me to complain about this rain, we have been suffering drought conditions here of late, but why is it that the only time there is any sign of relief it has to conflict with my plans for outdoor activities. Working on the Landy and plans for a fishing trip both seem to be sure-fire rain-makers. If the local farmers ever get wind of this I might be forced to spend the rest of my life camped by a lake, in our Central Highlands, stalking trout. Wouldn’t that be terrible? ;-} Tim For Tim And Jenny inc. Well it's still raining and Sesame St. is on the box, so I'm off to the Pub. Holidays you Know. From cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine) Fri Apr 7 01:12:58 1995 Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 01:12:58 -0700 From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine) Subject: Re: buying land rover for use in UK jed@teleport.com (Jim Edwards) wrote: >A friend will be spending a year in Dublin. He is interested in buying a >RHD SII or SIII 88" in either England or Ireland this summer and then [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)] >Does anyone know of any dealers he could contact or have one for sale? Any >suggestions for insurance companies? Land Rover dealers are all over the place, and so are insurance companies. Reasonably priced Rovers are available from non-Rover affilliated sales lots and shops, and of course private parties. Get a copy of LRO magazine to see current advertisements with photos of vehicles (available at most newsstands in the UK), and local papers with want ads. The thing about British cars, you must have a MOT (Ministry Of Transport) certificate to register the vehicle, usually provided by the seller or as a condition of sale. MOT certified mechanics check for safety items such as brakes and lights, and most importantly, the condition of the frame and body panels which tend to be corroded. Also, the Brits have a higher tolerance of vehicle condition that you might find acceptable, ie, a Rover they may claim as in good shape may be barely driveable to you, or a vehicle billed as excellent might be average to your standards. Michael Carradine Carradine Studios Tel.510-254-3324 Architect Architecture Development Planning Pgr.510-945-5000 NCARB RIBA PO Box 99, Orinda, CA 94563 USA cs@crl.com Unimog WWW page at ftp://ftp.crl.com/users/cs/cs/unimog.html From Dixon Kenner Fri Apr 7 23:25:48 1995 Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 23:25:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Dixon Kenner Subject: Re: To all those trying to attract the a On Thu, 6 Apr 1995 LANDROVER@delphi.com wrote: > for one believe that that fact should be made known. I mean, we're all here > for the same thing, right? (Well, some *are* here for the beer!) Some of us are here to find those that *are* here for the beer... Rgds, PS.. Bring *two* spares this year... :-) From cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine) Fri Apr 7 20:52:48 1995 Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 20:52:48 -0700 From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine) Subject: Re: Introduction, etc. Peter Whitbeck (dafree@aol.com) wrote: >Does anyone know where in the U.S. I can find a right rear body panel (original IIa with fuel inlet at front of panel) in good shape for the above? I've been able to find sIII panels but no sII. Well, Orinda you say, ... Brad Davis (rovingnut@aol.com) has a right rear body panel. Oh, errr, ... he's still using it on his IIA though. Maybe try Scotty's in Concord (510-686-2255). He's moved a lot of his stuff to a friends place in the valley, but they will check their stash for you. Or, try Geoff Tobin in San Luis Obispo (805-544-7927). He's disassembled three II/IIA's and has a variety of parts and will even mail you an incomplete list. >My other dilemna is in regard to stripping and painting the bulkhead. There is surface rust only, mostly in and around the seams caused by salt air from when I used to live near the ocean. Should I bite the bullet and remove the bulkhead, have it acid dipped and painted? Seems that sandblasting, using chemicals or trying to strip the thing while on the vehicle wouldn't get rid of the rust completely and/or permanently. Any thoughts? Yea, bite the bullet! After all, a rusty Rover reflects on the appearance of the species, and it just won't do to repair it halfway. PS- "DAFREE", is that as in "Rovers in the Land of DaFree"?? Tread Lightly! Michael Carradine Carradine Studios Tel.510-254-3324 Architect Architecture Development Planning Pgr.510-945-5000 NCARB RIBA PO Box 99, Orinda, CA 94563 USA cs@crl.com Unimog WWW page at ftp://ftp.crlFrom JDolan2109@aol.com Sat Apr 8 09:00:51 1995 Date: Sat, 8 Apr 1995 09:00:51 -0400 From: JDolan2109@aol.com Subject: Erratic Idling / Carb Spillage Chris Stevens and the LROD- Seems that you wrote previously that you had rebuilt your carb. Did you replace the needle and seat both? If not, examine (20x-30x) the mating surfaces and determine there is no ridging or ringing that would allow fuel to pass. Replace if possible, resurface if necessary. Did you check the top cover for flattness? It can be resurfaced with emory cloth on a piece of glass. Very time consuming and 'third worldish,' but adequate. Certainly new gaskets were fitted? This is my guess: When you're next in there, remove the float and, holding it near your ear, gently shake it. If you hear petrol in there, then the problem is found. The float, having taken on additional weight in the form of petrol, no longer behaves properly, even though every thing else checks out. If this is the case, replacement with new or good used is best. You can locate the a float leak by holding the float submerged in near boiling water. The temp. difference will cause a stream of bubbles to exit at the exact location. Repair is more difficult. First evacuate the petrol. *NOT* with heat! Drill a very small hole. Then solder one of the wholes shut, and then the other. This will be found challenging, as the temp. required for soldering will again induce a pressure difference and cause the solder to be forced away from what you want to seal! Watch the additional weight caused by excess solder build up! You don't want to create a fishing sinker! Replacement is probably easiest. If the float is the problem - once you fix it, we'll see if your throttle spindle is excessively worn as I don't believe you can properly evaluate that yet. Has anyone solved a leaky float problem with a silicon or other, similar sealer? And, to avoid another header - Does anyone also own Rover bicycles? It is my understanding that the original 'Rover' was also the original (i.e. first) chain drive bicycle!! See 'ya on the old road... Jim 61 88" HT / OD, 16's & 1 Bbl weber (econobox?) LR....quite possibly one of the best machiunes yet devised! From rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice) Sat Apr 8 09:54:07 1995 Date: Sat, 8 Apr 1995 09:54:07 -0500 From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice) Subject: I'm baaack To quote the Grateful Dead, "...what a long strange trip its been." My former service provider/mail manager program -Prodigy- began dropping messages and files into the void...ever since an "upgrade" last November. Finally they admitted that the improvement "bombed out" (a direct quote from the techie) everyone with less than DOS 5. So I try InfiNet, less than 100 meters from work - the advante being that I can go 'reason' with them via Louisville Slugger when things go awry. Despite being a subset of the local newspaper cartel, "documentation" consisted of notes on torn-out notebook paper. No connect options/protocol/etc. just go figure for yourself. Right. Now I'm with a new provider (Pinnacle) complete with a new modem and software that (shudder) runs under Windows, supposedly with the capability to download full-motion video. Spent the next several nights editing .INI files. Seems I've uncovered (another) bug in Windows...I know it's not Rover related...but file this away incase you upgrade in the future. I configured the new modem to COM 4 and IRQ 5...but if your box doesn't have a COM 3, Windows doesn't bother to go a lookin' for COM 4! MS supposedly has a fix on their BBS. Anyway...I've missed y'all. Nice to be back. *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----* | A. P. (Sandy) Grice | | Rover Owners' Association of Virginia | | 1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730 | | E-mail: rover@pinn.net Phone: 804-622-7054 (Day) | | 804-423-4898 (Evenings) FAX: 804-622-7056 | *-----------------------------------------------------* From JAMES_CIRBUS@HPATC2.desk.hp.com Sat Apr 8 10:27:00 1995 Date: Sat, 8 Apr 95 10:27:00 -0400 From: JAMES_CIRBUS@HPATC2.desk.hp.com Subject: Tires for D-90 Hi People, In response to Russ Burns search for 265/75R-16 BFG MT's, the first shop I called has 12 in stock. I opened the current issue of Four Wheeler to an add from National Tire and Wheel in Wheeling WV. I have dealt with these people in the past, they do a good job. They also list the AT version in the add, but I didn't ask if they were in stock. ($152 ea for MT, $146 for AT) In case you are interested, (and want to save the $3.50 on the magazine) their phone is 800-847-3287. Jim Cirbus (or to Stephen Thomas, the guy who is too lazy to use the S-H-I-F-T) From JAMES_CIRBUS@HPATC2.desk.hp.com Sat Apr 8 10:28:00 1995 Date: Sat, 8 Apr 95 10:28:00 -0400 From: JAMES_CIRBUS@HPATC2.desk.hp.com Subject: Les Wexner's D-90 Hi people, What Pierce Reid neglected to tell you about that green D-90 that he is buying from Mr. Wexner, is that half the town of New Albany would like to let the air out of his tires. Les is in the process of turning a sleepy little central Ohio town into a premier community for the rich of Columbus. You know the type, you pass a Range Rover LWB in your series, and they don't wave, or even give you a second look! That's ok Pierce. When you go to pick up your D-90, just drive about 10 miles north to Sunbury. Up here, the folks are nice, you just have to get used to hearing the question: Hey, what kind of jeep is that? Jim Cirbus P.S. Stephen Thomas... did you see? Even my E-mail address SHOUTS! From jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett) Sat Apr 8 09:52:23 1995 Date: Sat, 8 Apr 1995 09:52:23 -0700 From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett) Subject: Re: To all those trying to attract attention.... William Callocia wrote: >New LR Owners have channels, though not end-to-end electronic, to get thier >LR product questions answered: > If you've purchased from NEW or direct channels a late-model Land > Rover product, you have access to a large dealer network who should > be able to answer any question pertaining to those products. >All LR Owners have after market channels > If your inquiries deal with NON-LR products or aftermarket items, then > you are well aware, or should be well aware that there are any number of > automotive accessory manufacturers dedicated to serving the LR enthusiest, > without regard to the year, make or model of the vehicle. >All LR Owners have after market channels Hope this gets through in reasonable form. Needing to jump through a few electronic hoops to get where I want to go. Anyway. Just a quick comment on your above remarks. They seem to me to have a UK bias to them and most of the E-mail on this subject seems to have come from North American contributors reflecting a large frustration over here. I have a hell of a time at dealers here just tracking down the most common parts because none of them in my area really know the LR product (for example, they don't even know what wader plugs are, no one has a clue about aluminium hardtop fitting, etc.). Furthermore there's not really all that many aftermarket suppliers over here. So I can understand a strong desire to get information direct from LR. BUT, having said that, I must say I rather agree with your long lecture, although more from the simple view that knowbody knows who this person is. Would anyone here want to be mistakenly treated as though they were a LR rep? Now back to actual Land Rover discussion.... Cheers, Jeremy Bartlett From LANDROVER@delphi.com Sat Apr 08 13:48:26 1995 Date: Sat, 08 Apr 1995 13:48:26 -0500 (EST) From: LANDROVER@delphi.com Subject: Re: Discovery setup... Dave.. RE: the "air bag" jack.. Check with your local fire dept/rescue squad and see if they have a source. My dad was an EMT with the VFD where he lives. They use - or used to use - those bags in rescue operations. Mike Fredette's comments on punctures is valid.. I remember my dad talking about that being a problem. Cheers Michael Loiodice E-MAIL landrover@delphi.com 166 W.Fulton St. VOICE (518) 773-2697 Gloversville NY, 12078 1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern) R.I.P. 7 1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol #:-}> 1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol From gpool@pacific.pacific.net (Granville B. Pool) Sat Apr 8 11:15:50 1995 Date: Sat, 8 Apr 1995 11:15:50 -0700 From: gpool@pacific.pacific.net (Granville B. Pool) Subject: Tyres for US D90s Defender Ninety Owners: I have watched a lot of messages about tyres for D90s hurled about here on the LRO list. It sounds like the 265/75R16 size is of limited availability and that inevitably drives up the price. Has any of you considered going to a 235/85R16? This tire is about the same overall diameter as the 265/75 and very widely avaiable. You'd then have a much greater selection of tire styles and brands and could shop for price. And, unless you drive in soft sand primarily (in which case you certainly don't want mud terrains), you will improve off-road and, I dare say, on-road performance in most situations. Another alternative would be 255/85R16 which would be marginally narrower and a little taller. Just thought I'd throw that out there. Granville B. Pool, aka "Daktari" and a few less polite names Redwood Valley, CA gpool@pacific.pacific.net (707)485-7220 (home) (707)463-4265 (work) '73 Land-Rover Series III 88" hardtop (and several more Land-Rovers) '92 Dodge Dakota 4x4, '5? Austin Champ (military 4x4 w/Rolls engine) '86 Peugeot 505 Turbo, '75 BMW 3.0Si, '81 Fiat Spider, etc. From "Russell G. Dushin" Sat Apr 8 12:55:57 1995 Date: Sat, 8 Apr 95 12:55:57 EDT From: "Russell G. Dushin" Subject: Re: Erratic Idling / Carb Spillage > Has anyone solved a leaky float problem with a silicon or other, similar > sealer? Silicone positively will not work, but JB-weld might do the trick. (I've had some on a m/c gastank for years, no leaks yet.) rd/nige From gpool@pacific.pacific.net (Granville B. Pool) Sat Apr 8 11:29:38 1995 Date: Sat, 8 Apr 1995 11:29:38 -0700 From: gpool@pacific.pacific.net (Granville B. Pool) Subject: 7.50x16 Radial M&S Tyres LROs looking for 7.50x16 Radial tyres that are affordable: Some of you may have seen a posting, on the LRO list, a while back, that the Cooper Discoverer ST (I think that's the one) mud-terrain style radial tire is available in 7.50x16 size, at a semi-affordable price. I just spotted another one that might be of interest. Pick up the latest (May) issue of Road & Track magazine at the newsstand. Look on Page 128, at the last page of the Tire Rack ad. This page is devoted to tyres for off-road vehicles and other light trucks. They are showing a Dunlop range called the Radial Rover RT which has a rain/snow style center and aggressive square block mud-type edges. Interesting-looking tyre. The 7.50x16D is listed at $102; the 235/85x16E is listed at $104. There are several other sizes listed as well. It's not listed in the Tire Rack ad, but I know that Firestone also makes a mud-terrain radial tire (Steeltex ATX 23-degree) in 7.50x16. Cheers, Granville B. Pool, aka "Daktari" and a few less polite names Redwood Valley, CA gpool@pacific.pacific.net (707)485-7220 (home) (707)463-4265 (work) '73 Land-Rover Series III 88" hardtop (and several more Land-Rovers) '92 Dodge Dakota 4x4, '5? Austin Champ (military 4x4 w/Rolls engine) '86 Peugeot 505 Turbo, '75 BMW 3.0Si, '81 Fiat Spider, etc. From justfred@netcom.com (Fred Heald) Sat Apr 8 16:13:48 1995 Date: Sat, 8 Apr 1995 16:13:48 -0800 From: justfred@netcom.com (Fred Heald) Subject: sIII parts You wrote: >Date: Wed, 5 Apr 95 13:14:59 PDT >From: mtalbot@InterServ.Com (Mark Talbot) [ truncated by lro-digester (was 14 lines)] >send me an-email with your requirements. >Mark 0. Is it a SIII or an SIIA? I didn't know there was a IIIa. 1. Why are you going to break it apart? Seems sad, is there some overwhelming reason? 2. Assuming you are, you say the trans is good, is that one of the parts you need, or one for sale? If it's available I'd me interested. I've been waiting about a year for a trans for my beast. (Too cheap to buy a new one, taking that long to get parts and rebuild the old one). I need a SIII trans, preferably with lotsa miles left on her... Thanks! Fred Heald justfred@netcom.com WWW Home page: ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/ju/justfred/fred.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "THERE MAY BE A RISK ASSOCIATED WITH CONSUMING RAW SHELLFISH AS IS THE CASE WITH OTHER RAW PROTEIN PRODUCTS" - sign in New Orleans oyster bar ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From Keerock2@aol.com Sun Apr 9 00:41:19 1995 Date: Sun, 9 Apr 1995 00:41:19 -0400 From: Keerock2@aol.com Subject: Into the D90 Pricing Discussion Something's been bugging me ... The "LRs are the best vehicle in the world" theme from this group strikes me as very irreconcilable with the recent complaints about U.S. D90 pricing (and the general "Yuppie" hacks of late). RRs in the U.S. *are* $55,000+ luxury vehicles, completely fitted with leather and wood and all. Are we then surprised when they get a reputation as elitist's vehicles? As for the Disco, LR's own advertising pushes it as the ultimate family vehicle. It should be no surprise, then, that it gets the reputation as a grocery-getter. The D90, on the other hand, is put in an awkward situation ... not "plush" yet very pricey and very laden with quality in its own way. Because of its price, many who buy it must use it as a day-to-day vehicle. Then they're labeled as "Yuppie-ish" because they drive a $30,000 vehicle. Can't win for losing. I'm happy that a vehicle of such a superior quality is available in the U.S. SFrom "Anthony J. Bonanno" <75034.3062@compuserve.com> 09 95 Apr EDT 1904 Date: 09 Apr 95 04:13:43 EDT From: "Anthony J. Bonanno" <75034.3062@compuserve.com> Subject: Copy of: Defender 90 Hardtop ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- From Robert@organist.demon.co.uk (Robert G. Lawson) Sun Apr 09 11:22:41 1995 Date: Sun, 09 Apr 95 11:22:41 From: Robert@organist.demon.co.uk (Robert G. Lawson) Subject: Re: Into the D90 Pricing Discussion > Something's been bugging me ... > remember the "Good old days" when the Land Rover emblem meant something. Put [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)] > come with the LR name. And if you wanna see a mess, wait until all those > "new" LR owners start dumping onto this list ("What's a 'winch???'"). Hang on...... Whats all this about an 'econo-Rover'? We've not heard anything about this in the UK. And carrying on, since Rover and LR have been taken over by BMW, then the Jag. argument from above applies as well. Do you really think BMW will make LR build a cheap and tacky 4x4, when their name is associated with quality and a HIGH price - just like Jag. -- Robert G. Lawson '71 IIA, 2.25 Petrol Soft-top. From "S. F. Yee" Sun Apr 9 03:48:52 1995 Date: Sun, 9 Apr 1995 03:48:52 -0700 (PDT) From: "S. F. Yee" Subject: to D-90 or not to D-90 I could not agree with your post more, Dean! Right on. S.F. future owner of an elitist's vehicle (used '91-'92 RR?) From mtalbot@InterServ.Com (Mark Talbot) Sun Apr 9 07:29:10 1995 Date: Sun, 9 Apr 95 07:29:10 PDT From: mtalbot@InterServ.Com (Mark Talbot) Subject: Re: Selectro locking hubs for asle All, I have a new, still in box set of Selectro locking hubs, just been given to me as a present, I have the receipt. I already have a set of Warn locking hubs. Cost new $100, yours for $90. Mark From mtalbot@InterServ.Com (Mark Talbot) Sun Apr 9 07:28:59 1995 Date: Sun, 9 Apr 95 07:28:59 PDT From: mtalbot@InterServ.Com (Mark Talbot) Subject: Re: Breaking that SIIA 88" Station Wagon All, Just wanted to post this, as I have had several messages asking why I was breaking this vehicle. The thing is in good condition overall, however, the rear drivers qtr panel has been hit real bad, the rear crossmember is gone !!!, the springs, brakes all need replacement to make the thing stop properly, the interior is completely original, you guessed it, its ripped, torn and basically a mess, the bulkhead footwells are rotten but the top is good. On the plus side, the safari top is good, which is what I wanted off it, the wheels have good new tyres, and it has original Warn locking hubs, the bonnet is deluxe wrap around type with intergrated wheel carrier, doors, wings are all good. It has a kodiak heater and the engine and box only have 50,000 or if you are non belivers, 150,000 !. For what I paid, the parts alone are worth it, if someone wants to buy it as is for restoration, be my guest. However, it stood with a plough on it for 3 years and NO-ONE made an offer. So I bought it. From jfhess@ucdavis.edu (john hess) Sun Apr 9 09:53:29 1995 Date: Sun, 9 Apr 1995 09:53:29 -0700 From: jfhess@ucdavis.edu (john hess) Subject: towing parts and borrow rover? Hello fellow internet Land Rover addicts, After being part of the events in the Mendocino Nat'l forest (described by Granville Pool) I have decided that a couple recovery type rings should be added to the dormobile. I am aware of a kit that includes 2 rings and bolts that mounts to the front bumper/chassis. I have one of these kits on back order with British Pacific (pictured on page 28 of my 1994/95 catalog) $24.50. On the rear of the dormobile, I already have a tow plate (military frame); I would like to get something to bolt to this for rear pulling. The Rovers North catalog has a picture of a tow jaw (page 55 of my 1994 catalog) BUT I'm unsure if this is the best solution for an attachment of a rope or cable. Vance Chin had quite the collection of heavy steel D-loops for attachment between rovers and winches. I don't know if his collection would be compatible with the tow jaw. Anyway, If anyone as these parts (or some thing better for the same purpose) available used, let's make a deal. Also, I remember Ben Newmans offer of a Land Rover loan to TeriAnn since hers was (is???) at Scotty's being fixed. Here's a chance for someone else to go out on a limb. I'm going to be in Ft. Lauderdale Florida for an eyeball meeting from May 14-19. If anyone would like to loan me a rover (or even cheaply rent it to me) I would be grateful. I don't know where we're staying but the meeting is going to be all under one roof at the convention center; I want a car to get out and play golf once or twice. Happy rovering, john f hess phd (wow, really?) jfhess@ucdavis.edu from home via modem Land- -Rover, Sunbeam Tiger and Mazda owner! From Sekerere@aol.com Sun Apr 9 13:54:15 1995 Date: Sun, 9 Apr 1995 13:54:15 -0400 From: Sekerere@aol.com Subject: Parts of IIA To the person who was parting out the IIA - I am interested in some parts if you can E-mail me at Sekerere@aol.com. Where are you by the way? I am in Arizona. From Sekerere@aol.com Sun Apr 9 13:54:15 1995 Date: Sun, 9 Apr 1995 13:54:15 -0400 From: Sekerere@aol.com Subject: 1971 Land Rover In the Phoenix newspaper today is: 1971 88" SWB Land Rover -Red Hardtop, with Half windows? 2.25l 4cyl engine-completely rebuilt New Clutch no rear seats Currently registered here in Arizona No rust on the chassis No bondo or fiberglass repair spots, but Eric says that some of the body sections need straightening as they have ripples in them. He is asking $2850 Call Eric at (520) 639-2190 during the day From mtalbot@InterServ.Com (Mark Talbot) Sun Apr 9 11:20:04 1995 Date: Sun, 9 Apr 95 11:20:04 PDT From: mtalbot@InterServ.Com (Mark Talbot) Subject: Re: Off-roading in N.H To anyone in the New England area We are planning a mud run / off roading either the last saturday of April, first Sat in May in the Sout West corner of NH. Will be a day trip, approx 5 hours, bring lunch etc. Anyone interested in coming along ? E-mail me. We have three Land Rovers so far. Mark From gpool@pacific.pacific.net (Granville B. Pool) Sun Apr 9 11:57:49 1995 Date: Sun, 9 Apr 1995 11:57:49 -0700 From: gpool@pacific.pacific.net (Granville B. Pool) Subject: LR Reputation and the Future Dean J. Silliman, of Lake Arrowhead, CA said, regarding LR's quality reputation and the planned "little" Land-Rover: >[snip] Undoubtedly Rover will be trying to cash in on their reputation if >they put out their little mobile. However, they shouldn't forget that [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)] >little cheap 4WDs?? [snip] >And no, I'm not the covert LR rep. :-) >From what I've read about the planned "little" Land-Rover SUV, over the years [yes, this is something that's been in the oven (mostly the warming oven, it seems) for quite some years, maybe 8-10], it does not necessarily follow that it will diminish Land-Rover's reputation. Recent press indicates that this _car_ will have Defender Ninety axles and such under it and so hardly a cheapy in the Suzuki Sidekick and Isuzu Amigo mold. Consider that the SUV market is such a major market, with a number of major makes--never before players in this field planning to jump in or at least considering it (yes, including Jaguar)--that Land-Rover can hardly rest on its laurels. It is necessary to move ahead with the market, but with taste and finesse, of course... O.K., I'll admit it; I AM the covert lurker, heh, heh, heh... What I'm more concerned about is the future of the Defender or its bonafide successor. I think that in some ways the Defender, especially in NADA trim, is already on thin ice as far as continuing the tradition and filling the, to my mind very important, true utility vehicle (as opposed to sport-utility) niche. The use of plastic I don't particularly fault, were in the age of plastic and it's great stuff, properly used. But I'm seriously agrieved by the dim-witted "improvement" of moving the engine some 8" forward. No longer is the Land-Rover mid-engined (yes, the old Land-Rovers have the front of the engine completely behind the front axle). Why? I can't recall that I've seen in print any reasonable explanation for the necessity of this move. I recently looked under the bonnet of a friend's D90 and it looks a mighty lot to me as though that move was quite unnecessary. I could see an inch or so to make the V-8 fit better but no more than that. Because of that move, the radiator sits right behind the forward-mounted grille. The most important reason that this should not have been done is that it severely compromises the once-excellent polar moment of inertia of the SWB Land-Rover, comprimising directional stability and handling, both off- and on-road. And, if you want to put a winch on a Defender, where do you put it? All the mountings I've seen compromise the approach angle and/or sit too high for a proper pull from the frame. And further compromise the weight distribution. Another gripe I have about the NADA D90 design, that seems to be for no good reason, is the rear bumper/class 3 hitch set-up. The basic design of the D90 actually has less rear overhang than the series type (Bruce and I measured) but, on the NADA D90s, this is shot to hell by all that drop-down, stick-out contraption for the hitch/step set-up. Again, why? A class 3 hitch could be incorporated without such compromise of the otherwise reasonably good departure angle and acutally GAIN tow capacity which is improved by moving the hitch point as close as possible to the rear axle centerline (the reason for 5th-wheel set-ups). To some extent, this set-up may be necessitated by the move of the fuel tank to the rear, another degradation of polar moment of inertia. The tanks could have been kept closer to the center if side runners had been standard and properly braced to the frame and to the rollcage (oops, I mean "Safari Cage"). Wow, once I got started on this thread, I really starting to roll! Another puzzling aspect of the NADA D90 design is that the windscreen does not fold! It can, I understand, be converted by replacing the lower windsreen mounting brackets with the hinges used on older 90s. But then the owner is going to be faced with the shocking news that the front, outside hoop (which I wish all my Land-Rovers had) of the ro.. er, uh... Safari Cage is too low and does not allow room to fold the screen!! If I had one, I'd swap in the hinges and get a competent welder to modify the hoop to make room for folding the screen. If this doesn't seem important to you, you probably have not yet experienced the joys of topless travel on a dusty trail behind another vehicle. Leave the screen up and it sucks the dust into your face, fold it down and the dust just flows by you. Yes, you can remove the D90's screen, but this is not too handy and you risk getting it broken if you bring it along or don't have it with if you need it. If you have it folded, you can reach out and flip it up when you get into the woods and don't want to get slapped in the face by limbs. My point, long-windedly made, as is my wont, is that there is still a need and want for serious, no-compromise utility vehicles [including in the U.S., if fed regs would only allow us to have them]. If Land-Rover quits supplying them, who will fill the gap? That's why I plan to build a 1958 Land-Rover coiler rather than plan to buy a D90. OK, OK, I'll climb down off my soapbox. Whewwww.... ,`:*6.. [Guess that kinda shoots down my credibility as lurker, huh?] -Granville Pool -Redwood Valley, CA, USA From JFisk1120@aol.com Sun Apr 9 16:33:02 1995 Date: Sun, 9 Apr 1995 16:33:02 -0400 From: JFisk1120@aol.com Subject: Movie Sighting Rented the other evening "Love Affair" with Warren Beatty, Annette Bening and Kathyrn Hepburn. It's a remake of "An Affair to Remember"....you know, those chick movies! Anyway, their transportation on this Pacific island is an older 109"....dark green with cream colored hardtop. I love it when my kids scream "Land Rover..Land Rover"!!! Even at 4 and 7 years of age, they can spot them a mile away! And leave it to my 4 year old daughter to spot a FAO Schwarz shopping bag in the lobby of a hotel later on in the movie! Great movie.....at least a three hankie! "Real men do watch love stories"! :) Jan Fisk Springfield, Missouri From Mike Davis Sun Apr 09 16:35:09 1995 Date: Sun, 09 Apr 95 16:35:09 CDT From: Mike Davis Subject: Should I buy a '92 RR? I am considering the purchase of this vehicle with 100,000 miles for $20,000. It has the front and rear brush guards and is white in color and very clean overall. I intend to get 3 yr. loan and expect to put approximately 18,000 miles per year on it. Am I asking for trouble? I have always done most of my own service on prior vehicles, what can a reasonably competent owner/mechanic expect? Can I expect 200,000+ miles from it without major engine, transmission differential worries? Thanks, Mike Davis - Seebeck Computer Center The University of Alabama MDAVIS@UA1VM.UA.EDU From mtalbot@InterServ.Com (Mark Talbot) Sun Apr 9 14:48:38 1995 Date: Sun, 9 Apr 95 14:48:38 PDT From: mtalbot@InterServ.Com (Mark Talbot) Subject: Re: Painting by hand All, I know someone posted this before, but can anyone help me with paint colours. Specifically I'm looking for Marine blue and limestone. I just took my safari top off my IIA to clean the thing up, the headlining is terrible and the paint on the roof is a dull green. While it's off I want to paint it limestone. Has anyone hand painted their roof ? If so what type of paint did you use. Mark From cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine) Sun Apr 9 14:58:07 1995 Date: Sun, 9 Apr 1995 14:58:07 -0700 From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine) Subject: 7.50x16 Radial M&S Tyres, and others Granville B. "Daktari" Pool wrote: >LROs looking for 7.50x16 Radial tyres that are affordable: >They are showing a Dunlop range called the Radial Rover RT. The 7.50x16D is listed at $102; the 235/85x16E is listed at $104. Last year I tried replacing the entire set of "Classic" Land Rover tires on my Series III, the Armstrong L78-15's, to be told that Armstrong was out of business. They had been displayed year after year at Costco for under $100 installed, and now I had to find the metric equivalents in another brand. So while getting a smog check at a local gas station in Moraga, I noticed a brand new set of Armstrong LT235/75 R15's having just been installed on a (*cough*) Trooper. Hurray!! Armstrongs are still readily available here. 1/2 Day delivery at $81-83 each, $7.50 to install, plus valve stems to anyone in the Bay Area. The tread is 2 ply polyester and 2 plies steel, and the sidewalls are 2 ply polyester. (Don't know the 16" sizes though.) Michael Carradine Carradine Studios Tel.510-254-3324 Architect Architecture Development Planning Pgr.510-945-5000 NCARB RIBA PO Box 99, Orinda, CA 94563 USA cs@crl.com Unimog WWW page at ftp://ftp.crl.com/users/cs/cs/unimog.html From cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine) Sun Apr 9 15:07:41 1995 Date: Sun, 9 Apr 1995 15:07:41 -0700 From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine) Subject: Re: sIII parts Fred Heald wrote: >2. Assuming you are, you say the trans is good, is that one of the parts you need, or one for sale? If it's available I'd me interested. I've been waiting about a year for a trans for my beast. (Too cheap to buy a new one, taking that long to get parts and rebuild the old one). I need a SIII trans, preferably with lotsa miles left on her... >WWW Home page: ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/ju/justfred/fred.html Hey Fred, Just took a look at your fabulous home page. You indicate that the 109, for which you are "Too cheap to buy a new (transmission)", will be sold for $20,000. Certainly a transmission in the $2,000 to $4,000 range is is not too much and in proportion to the value of your Rover. B) Michael Carradine Carradine Studios Tel.510-254-3324 Architect Architecture Development Planning Pgr.510-945-5000 NCARB RIBA PO Box 99, Orinda, CA 94563 USA cs@crl.com Unimog WWW page at ftp://ftp.crl.com/users/cs/cs/unimog.html From "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com> 09 95 Apr EDT 1918 Date: 09 Apr 95 18:39:21 EDT From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: Discovery setup... Just a short note on the "air bag" jack, a friend of mine got one two years ago for his Defender 130; pointed out to the dealer that he intended to use it for heavy off-road recovery and such. Dealer was very confident and gave him all sorts of 'money-back-guarantees' and such - anyway, on the very first occasion when the thing came to the test, we were offroading & wallowing in the mud up over our hubs, and the 130 rig got stuck good. He popped the 'bag' under the vehicle, hooked it up to the exhaust and waited for things to happen. The more sceptical amongst us already took a few steps backwards... anyway, when the load came on, the rig slowly came sloshing out of the mud an inch or so, "the bag" squeaked and groaned and... pooof! simply exploded. No sharp objects or such, it just couldn't take the load. Then, with the help of two HiLifts, we got the beast out in no time at all. ...and, yes, he got his money back! Stefan From Mike Slade Sun Apr 09 16:46:20 1995 Date: Sun, 09 Apr 1995 16:46:20 -0600 (MDT) From: Mike Slade Subject: Rolled Defender 90 Just got back from a weekend of photographing rock art in Southern Utah, and in Green River saw a pretty banged up Def. 90. It had been rolled a half a dozen times on the freeway (I'm guessing about 70MPH), and the body and roll cage were all mashed up. The two passengers in the front lived, however the passenger in the rear broke his/her neck. I am going to give more than the benifit of the doubt to that external roll cage. It was a Beluga Black Def. and had the full Safari cage. It held up remarkably well considering all the damage it had taken. I do have photos if anyone is interested. My questions are: 1. As I am getting a 109/110 hybrid from one as yet unnamed buisness here in the US, how can I get the US spec Defender 110 external cage? Will it fit on a 109 body? If not is there a way to get either an internal or external rollcage fitted to a 109? 2. If one were to procure the remains of said rolled Defender from Green River Utah, what would it's relative worth be? Everything underneath looked straight and the engine looked fine. Could you drop an 88' body on it? Is there anyone interested in trading said Defender for other goodies? What other uses (besides a complete rebuild) are there for defender 90 running gear? Anyhow, just thinking about safety etc... Michael PS My 88' is still for sale. From CLARKAU@aol.com Sun Apr 9 21:10:36 1995 Date: Sun, 9 Apr 1995 21:10:36 -0400 From: CLARKAU@aol.com Subject: SUBSCRIBE Wish to recieve information from the Land Rover Club via Internet From jory@org.org (jory bell) Sun Apr 9 17:10:12 1995 Date: Sun, 9 Apr 1995 17:10:12 -0800 From: jory@org.org (jory bell) Subject: Re: Rolled Defender 90 :2. If one were to procure the remains of said rolled Defender from Green River :Utah, what would it's relative worth be? Everything underneath looked straight :and the engine looked fine. Could you drop an 88' body on it? Is there anyone :interested in trading said Defender for other goodies? What other uses :(besides a complete rebuild) are there for defender 90 running gear? :Anyhow, just thinking about safety etc... I, for opne, would be interested in such a beast for an IBEX rebuild. :PS My 88' is still for sale. got one ;) -jory From "Steve McDonnell" Mon Apr 10 11:25:02 1995 Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 11:25:02 GMT-0930 From: "Steve McDonnell" Subject: info From JCassidyiv@aol.com Sun Apr 9 22:44:06 1995 Date: Sun, 9 Apr 1995 22:44:06 -0400 From: JCassidyiv@aol.com Subject: Diff ? An acquaintance of mine states that he was able to replace the crown and pinion gears in his Series IIA diffs with those from a Range Rover. Are there any rational reasons to consider this typer of modification? Also, I seem to recall a member posting from the Isle of Wight(? Spelling) off the coast of England. I happened to meet a native of that Isle. His name is Warren Edwicker and he works as a restaurant manager on the Carnival cruise ship Sensation. He states that tomorrow he will be going home for a weeks holiday after 9 months at sea. He was suprised of our LRO list online. If anyone is able to relay a hello to him(I don't know how large the Isle is) please do so. He's a real nice chap. P.S. My 1966 SIIA 88 HT just got its rebuilt engine and stock tranny reinstalled. All last week, I had dreams of driving her offroad and she ran great! Dreams are great! It'll be some time before she actually rolls under her own power. Hopefully in time for the Owls Head Land Rover event in July here in Maine. Cheers, and thanks for the Help! From Craig Murray Mon Apr 10 13:03:11 1995 Date: Mon, 10 Apr 95 13:03:11 EST From: Craig Murray Subject: Another sighting in the movies Hi all, I went to see "Out Break" on the week end, and they show a Land Rover in the first bit of the movie, the bastards even blow it up!!!!!!!!!! The story that there aren't many Land Rovers in America must be false, because they seem to blow a lot of them up in American movies!!! -- ============================================================================== Craig Murray | 1955 Series 1 86" LROC of Victoria Australia | 2.25 diesel LROC of Gippsland Victoria Australia | My car is constipated, email: craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au | It has not passed a | thing all day!! From jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett) Sun Apr 9 20:59:31 1995 Date: Sun, 9 Apr 1995 20:59:31 -0700 From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett) Subject: Canadian 110, spotting trivia Just spotted a Canadian (Quebec) 110 parked down here in Berkeley, CA but it was rather unusual. A very dark bluish green including the roll cage. It's #2/25 which fits with what I understood to be 25 of the 500 which were imported to North America. Probably an aftermarket paint job; does anyone know if all 500 were white? Cheers, Jeremy From jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett) Sun Apr 9 21:04:11 1995 Date: Sun, 9 Apr 1995 21:04:11 -0700 From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett) Subject: CB recommendations? Not particularly a LR topic, I admit. However, being a citizens band ignoramous and starting to think about installing one in a Defender I was hoping to get advice from people likely to have put theirs to similar use. Ideally the CB would be transferrable into a second vehicle. Thanks for any advice, recommendations, critiques and other assorted abuse. Cheers, Jeremy Bartlett From cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine) Sun Apr 9 21:53:58 1995 Date: Sun, 9 Apr 1995 21:53:58 -0700 From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine) Subject: Re: CB recommendations? >Not particularly a LR topic, I admit. However, being a citizens band >ignoramous and starting to think about installing one in a Defender I >was hoping to get advice from people likely to have put theirs to >similar use. Ideally the CB would be transferrable into a second >vehicle. First off, you'd probably want a unit that you can hide (under seat) or pop out so that it wouldn't wander off (What! Crime in Berkeley?). Also, you'd probably want one with the channel controls in the handset, so as not to take your eyes of the road --too much. You know, all sets are limited to 4 watts, which is not that good for an AM set. You may have to look hard to find a set with SSB (Single Side Band), which lets you talk on 1/2 of the AM band cycle, either Upper or Lower, giving you a longer range and much less interference. Next thing is to get a 1/4 wave attenna, with all the proper co-axial cable connections to your set, strategically mounted to the vehicle so that large body panels will act as a ground plane and boost your signal. To do this some trucker types will mount a 1/4 wave to each side of the roof (midway at the roof, not a corner), with a breakaway connection at the base. Finally, for real emergency reasons, some people --and I'm not recommending this because it's illegal-- get an inline amplifier to boost their signal strength to 40, 60 or even 100 watts in the country. Hey, if your life is at stake you want to be heard, right? These devices usually are hidden in unused spaces inline with the attenna feeds, and switched off at will. As to sets, they're hard to find for an upclose look-see and comparison. Radio Shack is a start. Try the specialty magazines at your newstand. Also, since you're in Berkeley, you might want to take a trip to the Ham Shack in Burlingame. They occupy the old Rail Road Station there right by the tracks. (Amateur Radio, 2 meters, etc. are popular on the Peninsula!). There is/are also some specialty stores in the same area, so check out the yellow pages while there (and ask the boys at the Ham Shack too). Michael Carradine Carradine Studios Tel.510-254-3324 Architect Architecture Development Planning Pgr.510-945-5000 NCARB RIBA PO Box 99, Orinda, CA 94563 USA cs@crl.com Unimog WWW page at ftp://ftp.crl.com/users/cs/cs/unimog.html From cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine) Sun Apr 9 22:27:20 1995 Date: Sun, 9 Apr 1995 22:27:20 -0700 From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine) Subject: Re: Painting by hand Mark Talbot wrote: >I know someone posted this before, but can anyone help me with paint colours. Specifically I'm looking for Marine blue and limestone. >I just took my safari top off my IIA to clean the thing up, the headlining is terrible and the paint on the roof is a dull green. >While it's off I want to paint it limestone. Has anyone hand painted their roof ? If so what type of paint did you use. It's not so much the type of paint, as it is the preparation of the aluminum. Most paint will adhere to a properly applied primer. Primer is just like paint except it has more polymers in it, giving it more body and making it suitable to shaping and sanding. The problem with aluminum is that it needs to be cleaned and etched first to accept the primer, a tedious process with mixed results for the amateur. (No wonder Rovers look as unkept as they do!) Taken from the Rovers North newsletter (Spring '91), the paint codes for popular Series Land Rover colors are: RM Supermax Ditzler Glasurit Dupont Centauri Limestone RV-040 46251 38505-A Marine Blue RV-017 16514 ROV-504 38503-A Poppy Red RV-029 ROV-303 38506-AH Pastel Green RV-028 ROV-605 38504-A Bronze Green RV-027 46451 LEY-637 38500-A Some colors require white primer, others grey. Also, Atlantic British used to sell Paint Kits including Variprime, Variprime Converter, Galvanized Metal Cleaner, Aluminum Cleaner, Aluminum Converter, Dupont Paint, and Reducer, enough for a one 88" at about $229. Hard to say how much of what you'd need to do just one hard top. One local auto store here does sell the Dupont "System", including a step by step brochure, and the finish is the best, supposedly. (Also, you may want to snoop around your small local airport to find and get some tips from aircraft painters --planes are aluminum skinned and take quite a quite a weather beating.) Michael Carradine Carradine Studios Tel.510-254-3324 Architect Architecture Development Planning Pgr.510-945-5000 NCARB RIBA PO Box 99, Orinda, CA 94563 USA cs@crl.com Unimog WWW page at ftp://ftp.crl.com/users/cs/cs/unimog.html From "walter c. swain (wcswain@wheel.ucdavis.edu)" Sun Apr 9 22:36:12 1995 Date: Sun, 9 Apr 1995 22:36:12 -0700 (PDT) From: "walter c. swain (wcswain@wheel.ucdavis.edu)" Subject: Re: Canadian 110, spotting trivia On Sun, 9 Apr 1995, Jeremy Bartlett wrote: > Just spotted a Canadian (Quebec) 110 parked down here in Berkeley, CA > but it was rather unusual. A very dark bluish green including the roll > cage. It's #2/25 which fits with what I understood to be 25 of the 500 > which were imported to North America. Probably an aftermarket paint > job; does anyone know if all 500 were white. A little while back there was a discussion on this very subject on the LRO List. We were informed that all 525 (500 to the US, 25 to Canada- not very equitable) were indeed white. Who provided this bit of wisdom doesn't come to mind. Maybe Dixon. Regards, Walt From cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine) Sun Apr 9 23:03:53 1995 Date: Sun, 9 Apr 1995 23:03:53 -0700 From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine) Subject: Re: LR Reputation Granville B. "Daktari" Pool wrote: >>Dean J. Silliman, of Lake Arrowhead, CA said, regarding LR's quality reputation and the planned "little" Land-Rover: >From what I've read about the planned "little" Land-Rover SUV, over the years it does not necessarily follow that it will diminish Land-Rover's reputation. ....[snip / much techical data and emotional concern deleted].... >That's why I plan to build a 1958 Land-Rover coiler rather than plan to buy a D90. That-A-Boy, GranvilFrom Vel Natarajan Mon Apr 10 04:13:50 1995 Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 04:13:50 -0500 (CDT) From: Vel Natarajan Subject: Serial # Question - IIa design modifications I went to look at a '66 109 3-door IIa yesterday. I noticed that the serial number was: 2511xxxxC xxxx = (I forgot the rest.) Which makes it a 62-71 109" Petrol Home RHD vehicle. But what SPECIFICALLY does the "C" mean? (Other than: "The suffix letter indicates design modifications." - which I got from the chassis faq). Vel ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Vel Natarajan Phone: +44-793-541541 x5529 Motorola Inc. Fax: +44-793-430-987 European Cellular Infrastructure Group Mobile: +49-171-854-6670 16 Euro Way, Email: Blagrove, Swindon, nataraja@ecid.cig.mot.com England, SN5 8YQ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From Vel Natarajan Mon Apr 10 04:27:19 1995 Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 04:27:19 -0500 (CDT) From: Vel Natarajan Subject: Where should the headlights be for this model year? I'm looking to bring back to the US a 109 SIIa. I went to look at a '66 (verified by seeing the log book). But to bring it back, I want to make sure it's not going to give the customs officials any doubts. It had headlights on the wings (fenders) with the marker lights above and below to the outside. It also had the traditional IIa lights on the front face (grille). The owner told me that the wing headlights were original, but they had also kept the cutouts for the grille lights and he had put them in. I wanted to verify if this is correct. Can anyone tell me for sure if this is the case? The grill was a SIII grill which was obviously cut up a little to fit. If I decide to purchase the vehicle, I will definitely replace it with a proper SII metal grille. I'll also have to strip off all the camo army paint. The truck spent over a year in Bosnia where the owner was doing some mercenary work (he was an ex British army captain) and eventually aid work. We spoke for a while and he showed me pictures of his time out there as well. He's done quite a bit of work on it from welding patches to rear-crossmember supports to new brakes, tires, exhaust, ignition electricals, etc. The frame looked pretty good as did the bulkhead/firewall and footwells. He wants 1400 pounds, but I'd like to try for around 1100-1200 pounds. What do you think? Vel ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Vel Natarajan Phone: +44-793-541541 x5529 Motorola Inc. Fax: +44-793-430-987 European Cellular Infrastructure Group Mobile: +49-171-854-6670 16 Euro Way, Email: Blagrove, Swindon, nataraja@ecid.cig.mot.com England, SN5 8YQ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From William Caloccia Mon Apr 10 07:20:20 1995 Date: Mon, 10 Apr 95 07:20:20 -0400 From: William Caloccia Subject: younger subscribers ??? Allright people, I wouldn't make a fuss over it, but I have noticed that we have at least one subscriber with what appears to be a k-12 (grade school/secondary school) e-mail address (statesside). I can't tell you if it is a younger human or not, but just thought I'd let you know. -B From "WILLIAM L. LEACOCK" <75473.3572@compuserve.com> 10 95 Apr EDT 1909 Date: 10 Apr 95 09:10:45 EDT From: "WILLIAM L. LEACOCK" <75473.3572@compuserve.com> Subject: Misc. Just taken a break in the shopping to read the mail. Micheal re 109 cages Simeon Hill at Betaweld UK 01302 842682 or 351264 makes a roll cage for 109's modeled on the US spec. 110 cage. There was an article in the LR Owner some time ago with accompanying photo's of the conversion to a customers vehicle. J Cassidy-- RR diffs It is not necessary to rebuild the crown and pinion into a ser 2 housing, in fact this can be complicated because the later models have different bearing sizes, just change the whole assembly, typical UK cost 100 pounds. The 3.54 ratio is too high for a ser 2, particularly with 7.50 tyres, try the 4.3 ratio. With 6.00 tyres and no towing requirements the 3.54 is usable but still a little high. Regards Bill Leacock Limey in Exile. From "Tom Rowe" Sun Apr 10 09:16:27 1995 Date: Sun, 10 Apr 1995 09:16:27 GMT -0600 From: "Tom Rowe" Subject: Movie sighting, volt meters, RR diffs With all the movie talk lately I was supprised not to see one listed. Unfortunately I can't remember the name of it because I saw it many years ago. It might have stared Peter Fonda, but I'm not sure about that. Anyway the story is about a worker at a South African diamond mine planning a heist with some co-horts. They all get killed except the leading man and woman. They make their escape in Land Rovers ( some good chase scenes through the desert). One of the thieves escaping with them, but in a different Land Rover, gets shot and wrecks. As he stands up staggering he mutters "Good Land Rover, good ol' Land Rover", and then expires. What a man, even in death he didn't call it a jeep. I'll see if I can find the name of the movie if nobody reconizes it. It's actually a pretty good movie as I recall. Hear hear to TerriAnn. Any time you want to get on a soap box about volt meters, I'll build the box for you. Range Rover diffs in a series: The only reason I know of to do it is if you do a lot of highway driving and want to cut down on engine and tranny rpm's. As I recall they give about the same final ratio as an overdrive. I installed a set ( in addition to an overdrive) in an 88 I put a Perkins 4-203 in. The reason being low top rpm for the Perkins. The down side, of course, is that if you do a lot of off roading, your creeping ability is lessened. Tom Rowe University of Wisconsin-Madison Center for Dairy Research 1605 Linden Dr., Madison, WI 53706 608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578 Home:608-243-8660 trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu From justfred@netcom.com (Fred Heald) Mon Apr 10 06:52:23 1995 Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 06:52:23 -0800 From: justfred@netcom.com (Fred Heald) Subject: Re: sIII parts At 14:07 04/09/95, Michael Carradine wrote: > Fred Heald wrote: >>2. Assuming you are, you say the trans is good, is that one of the parts [ truncated by lro-digester (was 22 lines)] > NCARB RIBA PO Box 99, Orinda, CA 94563 USA cs@crl.com > Unimog WWW page at ftp://ftp.crl.com/users/cs/cs/unimog.html Sorry, I get confused... If I could FIND a new one that would fit I guess I'd buy it; Lawrence at British Pacific has been looking. A new new one would take too much work to fit to the existing motor (a Chevy 6). I guess. But really you're right, Larry is just dragging his heels finding me a new one or the parts to fix mine. It'll probably cost that much to have John rebuild the one I've got. Hell, I don't know... Fred Heald justfred@netcom.com WWW Home page: ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/ju/justfred/fred.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "THERE MAY BE A RISK ASSOCIATED WITH CONSUMING RAW SHELLFISH AS IS THE CASE WITH OTHER RAW PROTEIN PRODUCTS" - sign in New Orleans oyster bar ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From reischer@ridgefield.sdr.slb.com (Andy Reischer) Mon Apr 10 11:32:02 1995 Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 11:32:02 -0400 (EDT) From: reischer@ridgefield.sdr.slb.com (Andy Reischer) Subject: Thank goodness for LRNA There seems to be a lot of concern over LRNA. Let's face it. We have virtually no impact on them. Those of us who have been driving LR products for years are probably not going to shell out 30 grand right away. Most people who buy a disco have no idea that it is related to my series 3. We are of no concern to LRNA as a corporation. The poor lurker on the system is probably just one of us. Lets leave him alone and thank LRNA for importing the token defender. If I understand it correctly we can now upgrade or old series to our hearts content. I checked with motor vehicles and with EPA. and newer engines,transmissions,... are transplantable. We get the best of both worlds. Our old series can ride just like a defender(maybe better) and we can keep our old cars. I`m quite attached to mine. I've had it for 13 years and am not about to give it up now. P.S. Dear lurker: could you convince LRNA to import a few TDI's in ANY of the LR products. Until you do I can't upgrade my wife's LR to the TDI. oh and by te way. though I probably won't/can't trade in my old landrover I have convinced someone who was going to buy a explorer to get a disco instead(38 grand). so I guess we do have some value to LRNA in general. Andy Reischer owner legal upgraded land rover From "Steven Swiger (LIS)" Mon Apr 10 11:51:25 1995 Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 11:51:25 -0400 (EDT) From: "Steven Swiger (LIS)" Subject: Re: younger subscribers ??? What exactly designates a "grade school/secondary school" e-mail address (I think you could tell us without giving it away.) Just out of curiousity, because I have never run across one. Thnx steve On Mon, 10 Apr 1995, William Caloccia wrote: > Allright people, [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)] > not, but just thought I'd let you know. > -B From berg@acf2.NYU.EDU (Jeff Berg) Mon Apr 10 12:05:08 1995 Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 12:05:08 -0400 From: berg@acf2.NYU.EDU (Jeff Berg) Subject: Re: CB recommendations? I'm in the "one-hander" school myself. I have an older (1982) Radio Shack model mounted behind the heater outlet on the transmission tunnel at the point it meets the firewall. (See the RoverWEB page for a photo.) I'll confess, this is a less than ideal location if you have intentions of deep wading and run the risk of what can now be known as "pulling a Graniville", or perhaps more appropriately, "Pooling your vehicle"! ;-} Anyhow, the handset/controls easily stretch to the driver's seat and can be quickly removed for security. I also use a dash mounted 3&1/2" speaker to hear the thing over the roar of the engine and clamor of the body. I don't believe Radio Shack makes a one-hander anymore, at least the 1993 catalog in my office doesn't list one. I have seen a Cobra model with this feature advertised in recent Radio hobbyiest/scanner magazines though. Try a decent radio shop for other possibilities. I can't say I optimized my antenna system. I clamped an old K-2 (left over from my GTi) onto the rear bumper using a Radio Shack gutter mount as the base. I drilled new holes to match the bolt pattern of the rear "handle" and put the antenna mount in between the "handle" and the bumper. I got a decent, but not ideal, SWR match. == == Jeffrey A. Berg Interactive Telecommunications Program Technical Administrator New York University berg@acf2.nyu.edu ================= My garden is full of papayas and mangos. My dance card is filled with merengues and tangos. Taste for the good life. I can see it no other way. --Jimmy Buffett, Lone Palm (live version) == == From "Russell G. Dushin" Mon Apr 10 12:25:56 1995 Date: Mon, 10 Apr 95 12:25:56 EDT From: "Russell G. Dushin" Subject: Rolled Defender 90 (fwd) > 1. As I am getting a 109/110 hybrid from one as yet unnamed buisness here in > the US, how can I get the US spec Defender 110 external cage? Will it fit on a > 109 body? If not is there a way to get either an internal or external rollcage > fitted to a 109? THE EXTERNAL CAGE ON A 110 IS NOT-REPEAT NOT-A ROLL CAGE. It is for protection against limb dings, and the sort. The internal roll bar is a roll bar. rd/nigel From rlarson@lsil.com (Rick Larson) Mon Apr 10 09:07:08 1995 Date: Mon, 10 Apr 95 09:07:08 PDT From: rlarson@lsil.com (Rick Larson) Subject: So. S.F. Bay, CA, Area Body Shop Needed Took my D90 sideways into a ditch/embankment while playing offroad yesterday. Seems the "road" I was on had a stream running underneath it. I broke through a thin dirt crust into a thick mud soup. 2 hours of winching got me 100 ft. upstream, and onto solid ground. Contact with an embackment I slid into while trying to get unstuck left a small dent and some deep scratches in my right front fender. Yea, next time I'll get on the winch sooner...... I'd appreciate any Land Rover friendly body shop recommendations. I live in Los Gatos, work in Milpitas, but would be willing to travel a bit for a highly recommended shop. Thanks, -Rick '94 D90 Richard Larson LSI Logic Corporation (408) 433-7149 From Russell Burns Mon Apr 10 9:54:07 1995 Date: Mon, 10 Apr 95 9:54:07 PDT From: Russell Burns Subject: cb > In-Reply-To: <199504100406.FAA02243@chunnel.uk.stratus.com>; from "Jeremy Bartlett" at Apr 9, 95 9:04 pm > X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] [ truncated by lro-digester (was 32 lines)] > > Jeremy BartlFrom Tom Stevenson Tue Apr 11 09:58:58 1995 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 09:58:58 +0100 (BST) From: Tom Stevenson Subject: Defender 90 differences I read Granville's thoughts on the new 90's with interest. Even the 300 Tdi's have the engine moved forward; I had heard that this is because the new gearbox is longer and because the bellhousing had been changed. A 1995 Tdi 90 passed me doing about 70 mph up the Rest-and-be- Thankful on the way up to Oban last week; if he can cope with that road at such a speed then I doubt the engine move has a serious effect on handling, on-road anyway. The other bit of interest was the comment that the fuel tank is at the back rather than the side on the USA version 90. Could this new tank be adapted for use as an auxilliary tank on an old 90 (mine, specifically) in order to increase its measly 12 gallon capacity? -- Tom Stevenson: gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk University Marine Biological Station, Isle of Cumbrae, Scotland Tel:(01475) 530581 Fax:(01475) 530601 From "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com> 11 95 Apr EDT 1905 Date: 11 Apr 95 05:55:16 EDT From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: younger subscribers ??? > I wouldn't make a fuss over it, but I have noticed that we have at least > one subscriber with what appears to be a k-12 (grade school/secondary school) So what? I first drove a Land Rover at the age of 14, and if I'd have had a computer and access to a LR list in those days I certainly would've lurked. But then those were the early sixties, and a computer with the power of a floppy-based 128K 4 Mhz 8080 would've cost you, what, *several billion Dollars* ?? Ok, now you know what an old fart I am... Stefan From "GAWIE VAN BLERK" Tue Apr 11 12:15:16 1995 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 12:15:16 GMT+200 From: "GAWIE VAN BLERK" Subject: LR110 V8 timing Hi all I have been looking at this mailgroup for about a week now and it seems like there are a good many very knowledgable LR owners around. First things first, let me introduce myself. My name is Gawie and I am working as a Telecomms Engineer for ESKOM, the South African Electricity Supply Company. Lots of 4x4 in work time. Lucky me. I have just recently aquired a 1990 model 110 Hardtop with about 90 000 km on the clock. Put up a good 6000 more in the first month and realy love it. Now for my question. Can anybody please help me with some instructions as to setting the timing etc. on this beast.The 100 000 service is coming up and I would realy like to do it myself. Not so much to save money, but rather more to familiarise myself with the engine and it workings. I have got the owners manual, but it does not say much about setting the timing etc. Could not find a Haynes manual anywhere around. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you and happy Rovering. Gawie van Blerk Internet : A48462@bfnnfs01.eskom.co.za (work) : gawie@pixie.co.za (home) Tel : 27 51 404 2421 From "Steve Methley" Tue Apr 11 11:33:45 1995 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 11:33:45 +0100 From: "Steve Methley" Subject: Re: LR110 V8 timing Welcome Gawie van Blerk, >Now for my question >instructions as to setting the timing etc. on this beas >LR110 V8 What distributor model number do you have? If you have both advance and retard connected then the first guess has to be 6 deg ATDC. (not BTDC). It would also help to know what CR the engine is and what carbs you have. I've never seen a 110V8 so I wouldn't know how it differs from my RR V8, I presume you're not FI. Best Regards, Steve. From Spenny@aol.com Tue Apr 11 06:48:57 1995 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 06:48:57 -0400 From: Spenny@aol.com Subject: military convoy light where was the convoy light located on a IIA military rover? thanks Spenny Spencer K. C. Norcross Spenny@aol.com Haverhill, Mass. USA 508-521-4093 ===--===---===---===---===---===---===---===---===--=== 1969 IIA SWB - The Wayback Machine Now with most of the Federally requred electrics! From Spenny@aol.com Tue Apr 11 06:48:59 1995 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 06:48:59 -0400 From: Spenny@aol.com Subject: Re: Movie sighting, volt meters, RR diffs Tom, could that be the1975 film `Killer Force'. with peter fonda, i think it had telly savalas as well Rgds... Spenny Spencer K. C. Norcross Spenny@aol.com Haverhill, Mass. USA 508-521-4093 ===--===---===---===---===---===---===---===---===--=== 1969 IIA SWB - The Wayback Machine Now with most of the Federally requred electrics! From "Steve Methley" Tue Apr 11 12:07:26 1995 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 12:07:26 +0100 From: "Steve Methley" Subject: Re: military convoy light Spenny@aol.com asks: >where was the convoy light located on a IIA military rover? It shone on the rear diff casing, which was painted white. Best Regards, Steve. From chrisste@clark.net (Chris Stevens) Tue Apr 11 09:15:19 1995 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 09:15:19 -0500 From: chrisste@clark.net (Chris Stevens) Subject: Re: Erratic Idling Success, Maybe (fwd) >Sure you had it in correctly (and not upside down)? Did you replace >the new seat (the screw above) and the new needle together? Also >just "upstream" of the needle seat is a great place for gunk to >accumulate....did you clean it all out as best you could? If the old >one don't leak.....don't fix it, though. New needle and seat just didn't seal right. After I in- stalled the old one the carb quick siphoning gas and leaking through the throttle spindle. >leaky diaphram in your fuel pump? Will check this but fuel seems to be getting to carb on restart. As I mentioned, if I try an immediate restart the Rover fires right up. If I wait between five minutes and a couple of hours it takes several seconds of cranking. Chris Stevens 1969 SIIA 88" SW BCG Corporate Communications Towson, Maryland, USA (410) 583-1722 (410) 583-1935 (FAX) chrisste@Clark.net From Russell Burns Tue Apr 11 6:23:07 1995 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 95 6:23:07 PDT From: Russell Burns Subject: Re: CB recommendations? > Antenna mounts on a Defender? Kind of hard with a canvas top unless you can > rig a mount to one of the roll-bar pieces. The alternative is something on [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)] > antenna.. you'll want a spring loaded mount or at least one that can be > swiveled out of the way. I mount mine on the front roll cage. The threaded light mounts make it easy. Russ Burns 94 D-90 91 R-Rover From Easton Trevor Tue Apr 11 08:09:00 1995 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 95 08:09:00 DST From: Easton Trevor Subject: Silcones and Gasoline Jim dolan wrote: Has anyone tried sealing a leaky float with silicone or similar. I had heard that silicone and gasoline were not compatible but discovered the truth of this by default. Having reconditioned my gas tank , also not replacing the fine screen on the suction tube, I used silicone gasket material on the gauge sender flange. Several weeks later, while at the Down East in 93, I suddenly stalled going into Camden. Several Rovers were soon on the scene with advice and assistance. The cause was fuel starvation created by this vile slimy snot like stuff in the lines. Its orange tint clued me in to the source, "Silicone Gasket Goo". A trip to Tom Howards shop (Thanks,Tom and others) to remove some more lumps and replace the strainer gauze and never a problem since. (Until I wrote this note of course. I wonder when she will stall now) . So keep that silicone away from gasoline. They don't mix. Additionally if using silicones on later units beware of the variety since regular acidic cure RTV can destroy Oxygen Sensors even from afar. Trevor Easton, 1962 Series IIA SWB SW, Miss Golightly, teaston@dqc2.dofasco.ca From Pete Young Tue Apr 11 16:33:45 1995 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 95 16:33:45 BST From: Pete Young Subject: Serious Road Trip land rovers Dear all, Thought you might like to know that there are some splendid pictures of the Serious Road Trip's Bedfords and Land Rovers at http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~angus/SRT/Gallery/MaxReeves/Convoy.html Serious Road Trip is a registered charity dedicated to brightening up the lives of children in Bosnia, by shipping in clowns, jugglers and entertainers as well as distributing aid. Pete From ritter mark c <70472.1130@compuserve.com> 11 95 Apr EDT 1911 Date: 11 Apr 95 11:50:12 EDT From: ritter mark c <70472.1130@compuserve.com> Subject: Mechanical Hand Winches Seem I've found a bit of a challenge here. I'm trying to find a US distributor of Either Tirfor or Brano winches and nobody has yet replied to my inquiry. I've had a couple of people write me to say that they too would be interested in obtaining one if my search is eventually successful. Numerous phone calls to tool suppliers and industrial outlets here in Atlanta have produced nothing conclusive as yet, seems folks know what it is I'm speaking of they just don't know who sells it. Once again if ANYBODY OUT THERE has any info on these devices please let me know. From jhoward@atlas.usno.navy.mil (James D. Howard) Tue Apr 11 12:01 1995 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 95 12:01 EDT From: jhoward@atlas.usno.navy.mil (James D. Howard) Subject: My first week with my new SIII It was a fine Sunday when had a friend drive me the 130 miles to Phoenix to pick up my Land Rover. I was buying it from the original owner, so I felt like I was taking away his firstborn. He said I was, but it was 23 years old now, so it was time for it to move out. I was able to test the brakes only three miles into my trip. I was behind a 280ZX, keeping a good 3-4 seconds behind. We were driving along Bell Road, where there was a sidewalk. Two kids were playing with a shopping cart on the sidewalk, when it suddenly tipped over, depositing one of the kids in the street directly in front of the Datsun. We both slammed on our brakes. The Datsun had to swerve around the kid, and somehow ended up on the sidewalk. The Land Rover came to a quick, uneventful stop. No pulls to either side. No one was hurt, and I gained confidence in the Land Rover's brakes. It accelerated much quicker than I expected when I got onto the Interstate. I guess I was expecting it to go like my ex-girlfriend's VW Bus. I was also surprised at how well it steered at highway speeds. It had better directional stability than than either the Ford Escort or the Toyota Corolla I had recently rented. On the road to Flagstaff, there is a long stretch where you climb from 3500 to 7000 feet in about 10 or 15 miles. The Land Rover slowed to about 45 mph for some of this, which is an annoying speed, because it is faster than the 18 wheelers, but slower than the cars. Once we made it to Flagstaff, I noticed the lower air pressure meant it idled at 400 rpm, and it sure runs smooth at 400 rpm. I have since adjusted the mixture and the idle for Flagstaff. I called the now previous owner, to ask him a couple of questions. His wife answered, and asked how it ran, etc. She then said she would get Richard. Wife: Hey, Rich, James is calling from Flagstaff to give you an update on the Land Rover. Richard: (in the background) mumble mumble mumble Wife: No! You can't talk to the Land Rover! Land Rovers can't talk! So talk to James. I work in the Coconino National Forest. On my lunch hour the next day, I drove out across Anderson Mesa. Man! That was fun! It sure does better than the pickup trucks I have driven. I have bought $300 worth of parts that it needed immidiately. There are a number of other things it needs that are less urgent (new seat cushions, new exhaust). I hope to drive up to Montana this summer, so an Overdrive would be nice. I spent last night going through newsletters of the Rover Owners Association. These were dated from 1974 to 1977. Lots and lots of complaints about poor dealer service, and the fact that Land Rovers leak too much oil, but also lots of stories about going where no 4x4 had been before. If any of y'all are ever in Flagstaff, stop by and say "Hi!" James From "TeriAnn Wakeman" Tue Apr 11 09:07:21 1995 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 95 09:07:21 -0700 From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" Subject: Re: CB recommendations? In message <199504111328.OAA03859@chunnel.uk.stratus.com> Russell Burns writes: > > Antenna mounts on a Defender? Kind of hard with a canvas top unless you can > > rig a mount to one of the roll-bar pieces. The alternative is something on [ truncated by lro-digester (was 15 lines)] > Russ Burns > 94 D-90 > 91 R-Rover The lower mounting bolts to the windscreen seems to be a very common mounting place for an antenna. It requires no additional holes. An inverted 'L' shaped beacket holds the antenna and secures to one of the hinge bolts. People usually route the cable through a scuttle (cowe) vent My CB is a hand held unit. When its in the Land Rover, I use a magnetic antenna attached to the rim of my spare tyre on the bonnet. This allows me to remove it when I'm not using the radio. TeriAnn Wakeman Large format photographers look at the world twakeman@apple.com upside down and backwards From "Russell G. Dushin" Tue Apr 11 12:10:22 1995 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 95 12:10:22 EDT From: "Russell G. Dushin" Subject: Re: Erratic Idling Success, Maybe (fwd) > >leaky diaphram in your fuel pump? > Will check this but fuel seems to be getting to carb on restart. > As I mentioned, if I try an immediate restart the Rover fires > right up. If I wait between five minutes and a couple of hours > it takes several seconds of cranking. Well, I meant a PINHOLE leak, or perhaps it just isn't fit quite right. The suggestion that you let it sit for a bit, then peek down the carb and pump the gas is a good one that will tell you if this is the trouble without going to the hassle of disassembling your fuel pump. Then again, this could be "normal", as "several seconds" is a relative term.....does it go aWa,aWa,aWa,aWa-VaROOM or does it go aWa,aWa,aWa,aWa, aWa,aWa,aWa,aWa....-VaROOM? Typically, my Nige starts up after a few cranks. However, the ol' vapour lock (non-drinking kind) happens quite often....usually NOT upon immediate restart, but after sitting for a tad. IF my vapour lock is really bad, and I've neither the time nor the beer to enjoy it, I just pull the intake boot off the carb and he starts right up. You may want to try this next time....if it does crank right up, then maybe you just should have had a beer (ie had vapour lock). rgds, rd/nige From "thomas r. coron" Tue Apr 11 13:11:53 1995 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 13:11:53 EDT From: "thomas r. coron" Subject: Re: Cruise Control > RE: Cruise control on RR > I have a US spec '91 RR. The cruise control doesn't seem to work. The switch [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)] > p.s. My cruise control on the '73 has only failed me once. To fix it, I just > had to bend the selector handle a slight bit... Hmm! Try checking the vacuum hose to the servo for leaks. Used to have this problem on my Audi. Pull the hose off and suck on it, and see if the vacuum holds. Do it both towards and away from the servo. If it loses vacuum in either direction, chase it down. This assumes that the servo is vacuum operated, etc. Tom Coron tcoron@s850.mwc.edu King George,Va. 703-775-4575 '66' IIA 88 RHD From Mike Davis Sun Apr 09 16:35:09 1995 Date: Sun, 09 Apr 95 16:35:09 CDT From: Mike Davis Subject: Should I buy a '92 RR? I haven't received any responses, so, I thought I'd repost. Is this info in an FAQ somewhere? Would a 1990 RR with less mileage be a better choice? ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- I am considering the purchase of this vehicle with 100,000 miles for $20,000. It has the front and rear brush guards and is white in color and very clean overall. I intend to get 3 yr. loan and expect to put approximately 18,000 miles per year on it. Am I asking for trouble? I have always done most of my own service on prior vehicles, what can a reasonably competent owner/mechanic expect? Can I expect 200,000+ miles from it without major engine, transmission differential worries? Thanks, Mike Davis - Seebeck Computer Center The University of Alabama MDAVIS@UA1VM.UA.EDU From "John R. Benham" Tue Apr 11 13:58:29 1995 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 13:58:29 +1100 From: "John R. Benham" Subject: USA - Out West! Dear LRO's, It's been a while since the last update - a delay primarily due to high cost of the remote phone bills. However, we are back on line again. I have infiltrated and acquired the Camel Trophy's 800#! More Trip Log: We left Flagstaff, AZ in our Landie and drove onto the Navajo Indian Reservation to a spot known as `Grand Falls'. Fairly poor roads gave us access to this remote site. The falls were flowing from mud water of the Little Colorado River and had a stair-step drop of about 200 feet. It gives out a mud spray, so close-up photography coats your camera with mud! Definitely worth the side trip! Later that day, we dropped off of the Colorado Plateau and drove south to the mining ghost town of Cleator in the Bradshaw Mountains in Central Arizona. This is where our base camp will be for the next ten days. The roads in this area are extremely rough. Low range four wheeling is our main travel mode now. The sharp gneisses and schist do hell with our tires! We visit a lot of old abandoned mines - this area is rich in mining history and local folklore. During the turn of the century, several narrow gauge railroads were built to join the larger mines and supply transport of the mined gold and silver ore to the mills. These rail beds are now abandoned but serve as excellent and challenging 4x4 roads! The area is considered desert and is the Northern boundary of the Sonoran Desert flora. Saguaro, Prickley Pear, Cholla, and Ocotilla cacti are abundant. Many of these are starting to bloom along with the multicolored wildflowers. A lot of photo ops here! Only one diamond back rattlesnake was seen out of many `unseen'!. Some beautiful spots to camp here include the confluence of Turkey and Poland Creeks and anywhere along Poland Creek. There is a very rough 4x4 road which follows Poland Creek and has several portages over boulders. This proved not compatible to our exhaust system! Poland Creek erodes the granite forming large and deep bowls perfect for skinny dipping! We do our best to shock what few visitors who cross our paths! Large Cottonwood trees give us the much needed shade from the desert sun. At night, we set up the telescope to view deep sky objects. The clear skies with no light polution from any cities offer superb viewing! We came across one `desert wacko' backpacker who I tried to give some food and water too, but he threatened me while muttering `It's God's will' and `You screwed up the environment', etc, etc. Well, we tried! To be continued... John R. Benham 1968 88 IIA `Bwana Mobile' From chrisste@clark.net (Chris Stevens) Tue Apr 11 17:04:53 1995 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 17:04:53 -0500 From: chrisste@clark.net (Chris Stevens) Subject: Re: Erratic Idling Success, Maybe (fwd) We're talking aWa,aWa,aWa,aWa,aWa,aWa,aWa,aWa,aWa,aWa,aWa,aWa, aWa,aWa,aWa,aWa, aWa,aWa,aWa,aWa....-VaROOM...sputter, die....aWa,aWa,aWa,aWa, aWa,aWa,aWa,aWa, aWa,aWa,aWa,aWa,aWa,aWa,aWa,aWa....-VaROOM. The VaROOM usually comes before the battery dies. Chris Stevens 1969 SIIA 88" SW BCG Corporate Communications Towson, Maryland, USA (410) 583-1722 (410) 583-1935 (FAX) chrisste@Clark.net From cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine) Tue Apr 11 15:10:41 1995 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 15:10:41 -0700 From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine) Subject: Re: USA - Out West! John R. Benham writes: >More Trip Log: We left Flagstaff, AZ in our Landie and drove onto the Navajo Indian Reservation to a spot known as `Grand Falls'. Fairly poor roads gave us access to this remote site. The falls were flowing ....[Much exciting adventure journalism deleted]..... God's will' and `You screwed up the environment', etc, etc. Well, we tried! To be continued... Great dispatch, John! I (we) love hearing adventure stories of Rovers in the Wild. It's great to read about more than just mechanical woes, political correctness, and sightings. This is what Rovers are born to live for. Keep up the reports on the `Bwana Mobile' from USA-Out West! -Michael cs@crl.com From "B. Willoughby" Tue Apr 11 20:11:17 1995 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 95 20:11:17 EDT From: "B. Willoughby" Subject: Land-Rovers at the Movies Tom Rowe described a film he had seen several years ago which contained some footage of L-Rs running about a South African diamond mine. Some of the scenes and details he describes sound congruent with the film entitled "Gold", a mid-'70's thriller set in a South African gold mine. It stars Roger Moore (who apparently was in-between Bond films) and Sir John Guilgud among various other character actors. At the beginning, Roger (the hero of the film and a mining engineering) can be seen careening around in a limestone Series III Station Wagon. I'm not certain that this is the same movie, though it seems somewhat close. Other Land-Rover footage can be seen in "The Italian Job" with Michael Caine Benny Hill and Noel Coward. This is a great late-'60's adventure about a bunch of Englishmen ripping off a shipment of Chinese gold in Italy. They make their escape in 3 Austin Mini Cooper Ss and use a Land-Rover to break through a traffic jam. Worth seeing just for the incredible stunt driving done in the Coopers. And how could we forget "Born Free"? This 1966 classic features a blue 109" Series II pickup with a full canvas tilt. The sequel, "Living Free" makes use of a Series IIA Station Wagon in Bronze Green. Based on the books by Joy Adamson, which, incidentally contain numerous references to her game warden husband George's Land-Rovers. Sadly, George was murdered by poachers while driving a Series III 109" Station Wagon in real life. Brian From llevitt@idcresearch.com Tue Apr 11 21:40:45 1995 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 95 21:40:45 EST From: llevitt@idcresearch.com Subject: K12 and LRNA lurkers You people really crack me up. First you're turning over every rock and keyboard cos you *think* there might be some poor sod from LRNA snooping to find out what you have to say about 20 year old cars. Cripes, these guys have a business to run, and guess what, they're doing a pretty damn good job. Now Bill *warns* us that there's someone with a K12 address. Why? Who TF knows? Maybe he's afraid that there's a nine year old listening to us banter about Landies. Cripes, that will twist an as-yet unformed mind, won't it? Or maybe it's more sinister. Maybe teachers and school administrators are *snoops* for LRNA. So how many of you looked up the listserv commands to list all the people on the list? How many of you then fingered the poor person to see if he or she had done their homework? Someone drop me a note when you guys want to talk about trucks. Till then KBLU-1750 on the side. And out. Later, Lee Levitt llevitt@idcresearch.com From LANDROVER@delphi.com Tue Apr 11 22:41:45 1995 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 22:41:45 -0500 (EST) From: LANDROVER@delphi.com Subject: Re: military convoy light Spencer Asks.. > where was the convoy light located on a IIA military rover? Didn't they have the rear diff painted white with a light shining on the diff? Or was that on the 101??? Cheers Mike From David John Place Tue Apr 11 21:48:30 1995 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 21:48:30 -0500 (CDT) From: David John Place Subject: Re: Erratic Idling Success, Maybe (fwd) When I mentioned about looking into the carb after you let it sit I should also have asked you if when refitting the new carb, that is other than an original, did you perhaps remove the insulating 1/4" fibre spacer that goes under the carb? I have found that if you don't leave it in, the heat from the manifold boils the gas out of the carb while sitting and when you go to start up there is no gas to start with. In one case my Rochester carb cracked because the heat was too great for the base to stand. I know that some fellows do away with this insulator because the studs are too short to put a Rochester or similar on the manifold. It would make more sense to put longer studs on and leave the insulator in. Many Land Rover vapour lock problems are just over heating of the carb. Another no-no is discarding the heat shield that goes along the side of the manifold. It keeps some of the heat off the carb and prevents the "locks". Dave VE4PN From Craig Murray Wed Apr 12 13:00:10 1995 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 95 13:00:10 EST From: Craig Murray Subject: Attn: Oily Wad Club members!!! Hello fellow OWC members, I have been told that my 2.25 diesel blows smoke because it runs to cold!!!!! The temperature gauge never seems to get above 140 F, and the vehicle does have a thormostat, the only time I remember it getting above that is when the water pump was not working, and then it only sat on 170-180 F except when going up really long hills!! What is the running temperature of a 2.25 diesel??????? -- ============================================================================== Craig Murray | 1955 Series 1 86" LROC of Victoria Australia | 2.25 diesel LROC of Gippsland Victoria Australia | My car is constipated, email: craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au | It has not passed a | thing all day!! From Solihul@aol.com Tue Apr 11 23:05:11 1995 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 23:05:11 -0400 From: Solihul@aol.com Subject: The Italian Job; errata, mea culpa Well, it *was* late, and I was tired. The Italian job was set in Turin, not Milan. Also noteworthy because it was Noel Coward's last film role. Cheers, JCDillingham From Solihul@aol.com Tue Apr 11 23:08:31 1995 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 23:08:31 -0400 From: Solihul@aol.com Subject: econo rovers Robert Lawson makes a valid point about LR hopefully *not* introducing a cheaper truck to just play on the name/reputation, but I for one would sure like to see a simpler Discovery:vinyl seats, rubber on the floor, and, dare I wish it, tdi power? There *are* some of us who would actually work the vehicles, like the rest of the world. LRNA, are you listening? Surveyors, builders, engineers, for example. BTW, NO we won't pay the same as the decked out ones with dual air, &c. but I'm sure a suitable markup could be worked out. BTBTW, gilmer belts on diesels is a STUPID idea, I only wish there was a gearset kit for my diesel volvo. Cheers, John Dillingham From Dixon Kenner Wed Apr 12 00:35:21 1995 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 00:35:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Dixon Kenner Subject: Re: K12 and LRNA lurkers On Tue, 11 Apr 1995 llevitt@idcresearch.com wrote: > You people really crack me up. First you're turning over > every rock and keyboard cos you *think* there might be some [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)] > to run, and guess what, they're doing a pretty damn good > job. Matter of opinion, but by Yank standards they are doing pretty good seling a tarted up vehicle. LRNA? Who cares, that is for the Yanks to worry about. Its there Customs Department that wishes to enforce pre-1968 rules despite the fact that the pre-68 vehicles are easily modified in whay to look like posy 1968 cars (only the military versions are "trucks") LRCanada? They wouldn't give us an uncooked hot dog if we were starving. That binch doesn;`'t give a shit about anything pre-1990, nor is it their concern to do so. They have their writ, we have ours... As through the 1970's, nothing has changed up here... > Now Bill *warns* us that there's someone with a K12 address. Time for them to grow up real fast. Either that or its time they created their own list or some of us create our own if PCdom is to reign. The day that no-CKD runs become impossible to discuss or plan... > Someone drop me a note when you guys want to talk about > trucks. Till then KBLU-1750 on the side. And out. Better to wait until the mail just stops... That day a good portion of the list will evaporate... Rgds, From "GAWIE VAN BLERK" Wed Apr 12 08:37:26 1995 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 08:37:26 GMT+200 From: "GAWIE VAN BLERK" Subject: Re: LR110 V8 timing, welcome and movies Hi Dixon > Can't help you with a Defender 90. Only ever seen one. The > Ottawa Valley Land Rovers club doesn't have a single one, being [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)] > the necessary information in them. The factory manuals > are invaluable. Thanks for the welcoming words. I only have the manuals for a slightly newer LR. But I had a mechanic friend look at it last nigt and he said they are OK. He used to work on SII and III LR's for the police down here. > PS. If you have any club information, addresses, or additions > to the FAQ, please send them along. The FAQ is very North > American oriented as that is all I had information on. > being sold here from 1974 to 1992. However, you should The FAQ were the first thing I downloaded and I was a bit dissappointed not to read anything much about the Defender/One-ten series in there, Maybe we could get some info together and add it to the list. WRT clubs etc, I am planning to join one and will let know when we do. Not many peole in Africa are hhoked ti the Internet, but I think we can make a most valuable contribuion. BTW did you know that there was a SI LR in amovie called "Daar doer in die Bosveld" (Far away in the Bush) - 1948 I think - by Jamie Uys. He borrowed many scenes from this movie for his later hit called "The Gods must be crazy" - The clasic Land Rover movie I think. Can someone maybe forward the list of movies with LR to me. It happened before I joined this group. Gawie van Blerk Internet : A48462@bfnnfs01.eskom.co.za (work) : gawie@pixie.co.za (home) Tel : 27 51 404 2421 From "GAWIE VAN BLERK" Wed Apr 12 08:48:46 1995 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 08:48:46 GMT+200 From: "GAWIE VAN BLERK" Subject: Re: LR110 V8 timing Good morning Steve By doing my homework I have partly solved my problem. Maybe you can fill me in on some finer details. I have also manage to contact a neigbour who worked on SII/III LR in the police and seems confident he can (assist me to) do the job. I do not have FI The CR is 8.13:1 or 8.25:1 (2 books / 2 answers) Electronic Ignition - Yes Carbs - Twin S.U. Manual says 6deg BTDC at 750rpm with vacuum pipe connected using 90 min octane fuel. Maybe we can go into more detail. Our town is at 1400m asl (4600ft) and I will be taking it into the Maluti Mountains going a s high as 3200m asl (10 000ft) using 93 octane fuel. On other occasions I will be driving around the Kalahari at 900m asl (3000ft) and even take it down to the coast. Will 6deg be a good avg. Should I change it for going into the mountains or down to the coast. At the coast we can get 98 octane petrol. Last question. Where do you suggest I look for the timing marks. Or maybe somebody can give us a Step by Step guide to setting the timing on a LR. I am reposting this to the list as I think the answers could be of value to other novives like myself. Gawie van Blerk Internet : A48462@bfnnfs01.eskom.co.za (work) : gawie@pixie.co.za (home) Tel : 27 51 404 2421 From Mark Perry Wed Apr 12 02:36:05 1995 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 02:36:05 -0500 (CDT) From: Mark Perry Subject: steering relay, inter alia 1. I was refreshing the oils on my 66 IIA, and after topping up the steering box (it leaks) figured it was time, after a year of ownership, to top up the steering relay, which service schedule says should be done. My relay does not have the filler plug screw on the side, but I am skeptical that any of of the four little retainer bolts (p/n 544337) - especially the awkard-to-get-at one under the pitman arm - is the filler plug. What's more, the bolt heads seem an odd size, and I don't want to mess about with them until I am sure I need to. So, even with a tiny little oil can with a flexible nozzle, how do I get the Hypoy C into the dang relay? What am I missing here? 2. Movie buffs: Further to the The Passenger. The featured LR is well-displayed in the title and opening scenes. It's a Ser.III 109 SW, which the Jack Nicholson character, because of dramatic necessity, poor driving and apparent ignorance of four-wheel-drive,low range and any recovery techniques apart from shovelling in vain, gets well and truly stuck in sand and abandons. It reappears briefly with another SW in a flashback. It is festooned with jerry cans, but no spare tire is evident. As a bonus later in this most intriguing movie, there's a street scene in which a military Ser.1 86" appears then passes by just as the driver makes a rough double-declutch shift-up. Regards, .Mark Perry Winnipeg, Manitoba Canada R3J 2G3 '66 Ser.IIA 88" From dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb) Wed Apr 12 18:37:23 1995 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 18:37:23 +0930 (CST) From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb) Subject: Re: steering relay, Mark writes: >I am skeptical that any of of the four little retainer bolts (p/n 544337) - > especially the awkard-to-get-at one under the pitman arm - is the filler As I recall any/all of the bolts can be the filler. > plug. What's more, the bolt heads seem an odd size, and I don't want to > mess about with them until I am sure I need to. Uuumm. I think they are 2BA. ISTR thats why I've got a 2BA spanner, if I can ever find the damn thing. > So, even with a tiny little oil can with a flexible nozzle, how do I get > the Hypoy C into the dang relay? Ah... VERY slowly, this is a really frustrating job (which is why I havent done mine in ?? years) Someone recently posted a nice summary of the best way to do this, anyone got a copy still ? > What am I missing here? All the fun :-) cheers and best of luck -- Daryl Webb (dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au) From "Steve Methley" Wed Apr 12 11:30:04 1995 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 11:30:04 +0100 From: "Steve Methley" Subject: Re: LR110 V8 timing Hi Gawie, >Good morning Steve Good afternoon! >By doing my homework I have partly solved my problem. >I do not have FI >The CR is 8.13:1 or 8.25:1 (2 books / 2 answers) >Electronic Ignition - Yes >Carbs - Twin S.U. >Manual says 6deg BTDC at 750rpm with vacuum pipe connected using 90 >min octane fuel. Well it sounds as if you have a single vacuum pipe (correct?), in which case it will be an advance pipe and 6 deg BTDC is spot on for normal fuel in the V8. (Just FYI the other pipe as fitted to my V8 is a retard and drags the timing back to 6ATDC at idle only for emissions reasons.) Your full advance will be due to the centrifugal weights only and will max out at ~28 degrees. Sorry I can't tell you about high altitude running, as I'm from the UK! >Last question. Where do you suggest I look for the timing marks. Or >maybe somebody can give us a Step by Step guide to setting the timing >on a LR. There is a timing pointer attached to the block which points at numbers from 10ATDC to 10BTDC stamped onto the crank pulley. You'll need to highlight the pointer and the 6 deg line with Tippex or similar white marker. You can see them from above. Then loosen the distributor bolt just enough to be able to twist it (you'll have to be creative when finding a spanner to fit in the available space) and time with strobe off #1, ie left bank as you sit in the car, front plug. The little hex adjuster on the mechanical distributor is for dwell setting, you won't have this on yours of course. I mention this because it's sometimes mistaken for fine timing control (as on MGB's I believe). You'll need the carbs to be in reasonable balance to get the 750rpm idle smoothly. They sould be fine tuned last of all however. Don't bother trying to adjust anything at all unless you are sure your HT system including plugs are in tip top order. >I am reposting this to the list as I think the answers could be of >value to other novives like myself. Hope this helps, -- Best Regards, Steve. 79RR ------------------------------From Pete Young Thu Apr 13 09:09:20 1995 Date: Thu, 13 Apr 95 09:09:20 BST From: Pete Young Subject: BT numbering changes in full Bill Caloccia is correct to say that geographic area codes will have a `1' prepended after April 16th (in fact the new codes work now). However a number of codes will not change. I'll list them for completeness. These include Freefone numbers, reduced rate services, special rate services, mobile services, Hutchison paging, BT Phonebase, emergency numbers and all operator services. The full list of codes which will not change is below: Freefone services 0500, 0800 Reduced rate services 0345, 0645 Special rate services 0321, 0331, 0336, 0447, 0541, 0632, 0640, 0660, 0696, 0774, 08364, 0839, 0881, 0891, 0894, 0897, 0898, 0930, 0990 Mobile services 0370, 0374, 0378, 0385, 0585, 0589, 0802, 0831, 0836, 0850, 0860, 0956, 0958, 0973, 0976, 0979 Hutchison paging 0941 (other paging numbers will change, including BT`s Voicebank) BT Phonebase 0910 Emergency numbers 999, 112 Before anyone says it, this is not BT's fault! It was instigated by Oftel. Regards Pete From Mark Perry Thu Apr 13 03:50:08 1995 Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 03:50:08 -0500 (CDT) From: Mark Perry Subject: steering relay Thanks to Daryl and David for confirming my suspicions topping up the oil in the steering relay. I'll head out tomorrow with my little flexi-spout oil can, find a wrench that fits, and see just how maddening it can be. Regrds, Mark Perry '66 Ser.IIA 88" Hardtop Winnipeg, Manitoba "If it isn't leaking, Canada R3J 2G3 it's probably out of something." From Sekerere@aol.com Thu Apr 13 09:57:02 1995 Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 09:57:02 -0400 From: Sekerere@aol.com Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Dail... get lro-digest April 12, 1995 From kleihors@prl.philips.nl Thu Apr 13 15:56:56 1995 Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 15:56:56 METDST From: kleihors@prl.philips.nl Subject: Mark wants to oil the steering relay Hi Mark, I faced the same problem a couple of weeks back, asked this list almost the same question and succeeded! Fortunately I was welding the radiator support back then and was also renovating the tierods. With the radiator and support and both ball joints removed it was very simple. But you could succeed whit these items fitted. My workshop manuals told me to remove the left and right "seal retainer screws". One of the lower screws can be used for emptying. I remember having problems finding a fitting spanner. Anyway, they should be relatively loose. Don't loose them. Fill one of the holes with oil with the nozzle of the can as deep as possible. You'll notice that within a couple of hours the level has dropped and you can refill. It took me a number of days. Before the procedure, the relay was almost seized, I could turn it by the arms except by hitting moderately. After the procedure the relay can be turned by hand but still has a firm feel. There are some specs for firmness. Good luck, and maintenance is better than replacement! Richard P. Kleihorst, | '63 109" SWG (almost,almost ready) The Netherlands. | '60 88" PU (dismantled) From Sekerere@aol.com Thu Apr 13 09:57:04 1995 Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 09:57:04 -0400 From: Sekerere@aol.com Subject: Truncated mail Is there some problem sending lro-digest as I have only been getting maybe one part out of two or three the last few days? Cheers Chris From "Kerner, Robert" Thu Apr 13 08:45:00 1995 Date: Thu, 13 Apr 95 08:45:00 PDT From: "Kerner, Robert" Subject: Rancho Shocks Someone was asking about part numbers for Rancho Shocks. I got this out of a Rancho Catalog These are the RS5000's Front Rear 88 5163 7169(this is the rs7000) 109 5164 NONE 109(1ton) 5164 5157 90 5159 5157 For the steering stablizer complete kit 97435 I havn't used any of these but I am considering it to replace my worn original shocks. -Rob Home of the 1995 NCAA Basketball Champion UCLA Bruins fork0@smtp.ais.ucla.edu From "Tom Rowe" Wed Apr 13 11:20:52 1995 Date: Wed, 13 Apr 1995 11:20:52 GMT -0600 From: "Tom Rowe" Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest What happened to the 13th digest? There was the heading for mirrors & beds then the end of digest stuff, even though there was more in the index. Did it get cut off by majordomo or here on my end? Tom Rowe University of Wisconsin-Madison Center for Dairy Research 1605 Linden Dr., Madison, WI 53706 608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578 Home:608-243-8660 trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu From Rick Snyder Thu Apr 13 13:42:49 1995 Date: Thu, 13 Apr 95 13:42:49 EDT From: Rick Snyder Subject: Tires for Sand? (2nd try) * I don't think my first posting of the following message made it into * the Digest, so here goes again. It did make it out to those who * receive postings directly, so please ignore if you are one of those * (of course if you are, then you are used to being innundated with * email!). My apologies if this is a redundant posting. First off, let me intro myself to the list. I'm Rick Snyder from Chester, New Hampshire. I first learned to drive in a Series II on Nauset Beach (Cape Cod, MA), bought a 1971 Series IIA in 1973 which I still own, but my main means of transportation now is a '91 Range Rover with 60K miles on it. The Range Rover gets most of its tougher use out on the soft-sand trails on Cape Cod. I run it through the sand on the standard 205 Michelin tires at a pressure of 11 - 14 lbs with pretty good results but I believe it would run better with wider tires. Has anybody on the list had any experience with tires wider than 205 on the Range Rover?? I'm told by dealers that wider tires have clearance probelms - I've removed the front spoiler/drip collector long ago so that wouldn't be a problem. Ideally, I'd like to put 235's on the vehicle to at least pass the minimum standard tire size established by the Fed's who regulate many of the trails on the Cape (a local dealer, Foriegn Motors West, worked out a special deal with the Fed's to allow 205's on Range Rovers that I fear won't last forever). Not that I don't appreciate what a good tire the 205 Michelin is - it's just that this sand is SOFT and DEEP. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ========== _/ ================ Rick Snyder ======= _/ ====== snyderr@hpanvs.an.hp.com ===== _/ ==== Imaging Systems Division ==== _/_/_/ _/_/_/ === Hewlett-Packard Company === _/ _/ _/ _/ === 3000 Minuteman Road === _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ ==== Andover, MA 01810 ==== _/ ===== (508)659-2309, FAX: (508)687-7265 ====== _/ ======= =========== _/ =============== P.S. I won't say whether of not I'm from LRNA, or whether or not I am in K1-K12 - my interest is squarely with Rovers and their use! From Bill Caloccia Thu Apr 13 19:06:28 1995 Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 19:06:28 +0100 From: Bill Caloccia Subject: Abbreviated digest on the 13th... one of the scripts hurled because somebody didn't use any carriage returns in their 150 word 800 character line... From gpool@pacific.pacific.net (Granville B. Pool) Thu Apr 13 11:50:02 1995 Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 11:50:02 -0700 From: gpool@pacific.pacific.net (Granville B. Pool) Subject: Chance encounter All, I was just down at Longs Drugs in Ukiah, where I live, to check out some cameras for my office. There I chanced to run into a fellow that I had not seen for about four or so years. His name it Ed Schmidt (dba Ed Valdez) and he has Ed's Cycle Shop in Ukiah. Bennett and I used to get his help when we were riding dirt bikes together. Ed owned the shop but also had his brother Maurice there to "help" him. Unfortunately, Maurice was not the kind of help that a business man really needs. Maurice is a nice fellow, a bonafide character, and someone who loves Land-Rovers (so does Ed but not quite as passionately as Maurice). But Maurice was a bit loose with loaning tools, shop facilities, and credit. Durn near sunk Ed. Ed had his shop closed for about four years (but still paying rent) and is now open again. Ed and Maurice are from Guatamala, from a very large family. In Guatamala, they had Land-Rovers. Maurice is back in Guatamala now and found himself a 1956 Land-Rover that only had 12,000 miles on it and had been kept inside, on jackstands for years. Picked it up for $2,300. Ed says he'll have him send me photos of it. Ed says that when he gets his bills caught up, he will be interested in finding himself a Land-Rover. Maybe he'll want to come with us on some of Joe Lucas' Alta Cali outings. And, would you believe, Ed says Maurice has a computer and is on the Internet. So I gave him my e-mail address. I said to have him send me a message and then I'd send him instructions on how to get on the LRO list. Funny little world we live in. Granville From "Guzelis.Pete" 13 1995 Apr U 1912 Date: 13 Apr 1995 12:43:19 U From: "Guzelis.Pete" Subject: RE: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest As a new member of the LRO, I want to say that this "link" is very beneficial to a new subscriber. I am one of those lucky "Yanks" that purchased a new "94 Disco last summer. I know that this car may not qualify as the best, most rugged of the L/R's but let me say that this car has done everything I have asked it to do. Since I bought it, my significant other and I have been to Sedona, Arizona; Yosemite and the latest trip was a long run down the entire Baja California peninsula to Cabo San Lucas. Crossed over the Sea of Cortez and went to the Copper Canyon on mainland Mexico. A good break-in to say the least. Now am planning a trip to the 4-corners area of the Southwest in a few weeks. Plans made to stop at Canyon De Chelly, Monument Valley, Canyonlands Nat'l Park and then over to Santa Fe, New Mexico. The only reservation I have for this upcoming trip is the lack of an electric winch. To my knowledge, L/R has not made a front brush guard to which a winch can be affixed that will still afford use of the air bags. Can't over-ride this feature as it will void the warranty. Is there anyone on the Web that knows if a winch "system", compatible with air bags can be installed on the Disco. Sure appreciate any feed-back.My Internet address is guzelis.pete@mdc.com. I'm from the Huntington Beach, Ca. area. _______________________________________________________________________________ From maainc@world.std.com (Michael Anthony) Thu Apr 13 17:29:26 1995 Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 17:29:26 -0400 From: maainc@world.std.com (Michael Anthony) Subject: Available for Immediate Sale - 1990 RANGE ROVER "COUNTY" Extended transferrible 100,000 Warranty, New tires and recently installed exhaust system, Brush Bar, Running Boards, Light Gurads Front & Rear, Alarm System w/ Remote Start, New Hella Driving Lights, Cargo Liner, CD Player, SunRoof and all the standard "Goodies" all in working order. Attention: NON- Smokers: the Ash tray has never seen a "Butt" and no one has ever light up in the vehicle. 70,000 original highway miles. Embarrassed to say, the vehicle was use off road only twice, if you count driving on a sand beach! Color is Dark Grey with Grey Leather Interior! Will sell for $17,500 to the first person with a bank check in hand and include a Professional Detail as a drive -a-way Bonus! Have a new 4.0 SE Range Rover for immediate delivery and would prefer to pass the value to someone who appreciates and can benefit, rather than Trade-In Vehicle. SERIOUS INQUIRIES PLEASE CONTACT: Michael Gaetano maainc@world.std.com phone: 617-237-4950(Office) 508-358-7619(Home) FAX: 617-237-6811 From Easton Trevor Thu Apr 13 12:32:00 1995 Date: Thu, 13 Apr 95 12:32:00 DST From: Easton Trevor Subject: Leaky Needle Valve (Chris Stevens wrote) From "Paul Nash "@tantrum.frcs.alt.za Fri Apr 14 10:10:56 1995 Date: Fri, 14 Apr 1995 10:10:56 +1000 From: "Paul Nash "@tantrum.frcs.alt.za Subject: Re: steering relay, inter alia > little oil can with a flexible nozzle, how do I get the Hypoy C into the > dang relay? What am I missing here? My trick was to use a small-ish hypodermic with a large-guage needle. My wife's a vetereinarian, so it's never been a problem getting them. It makes it far easier to get the oil _into_ the relay, rather than all over the top. However, it still takes a long time, so wait for a sunny day, and squirt in a bit at a time, at 5 minute intervals. From "Paul Nash "@tantrum.frcs.alt.za Fri Apr 14 10:45:29 1995 Date: Fri, 14 Apr 1995 10:45:29 +1000 From: "Paul Nash "@tantrum.frcs.alt.za Subject: Re: 110 manuals > Could you send me their [Autobooks] tel/fax number please. I'm afraid I don't have it -- you'll have to try Telkom or "Car" magazine -- I think that they advertise there. They're well worth a visit if you can manage a trip to Joburg -- they've got lots of good L/R books, plus general 4x4 stuff. > Cape Town can supply the Haynes manual. Which one is better? I didn't know that Haynes did a 110 manual (I've only seen the sII/sIII manuals). It never hurts to have both (I had Haynes, Brooklands and L/R manuals for my sIII, and never regretted it). However, Haynes tend to cater more for the DIY maintenance people, while the factory manual is more complete but less readable -- they assume that you're taking _everything_ out. > Two South Africans chatting ... Yup. Almost as strange as all those Americans talking to each other via England -- at least I'[ve got the excuse of being a (temporary) ex-patriate! From Roger Sinasohn Thu Apr 13 20:06:37 1995 Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 20:06:37 -0700 From: Roger Sinasohn Subject: LR Miniatures WhilsFrom Spenny@aol.com Fri Apr 14 07:37:09 1995 Date: Fri, 14 Apr 1995 07:37:09 -0400 From: Spenny@aol.com Subject: Re: RR Available for Immediate Sale/BSROA Michael Anthony writes: and would prefer to pass the value to someone who appreciates and can benefit, rather than Trade-In Vehicle. This isnt because jim pappas wants you to donate it to the BSROA as a *project vehicle* is it? Rgds... Spenny Spencer K. C. Norcross Spenny@aol.com Haverhill, Mass. USA 508-521-4093 ===--===---===---===---===---===---===---===---===--=== 1969 IIA SWB - The Wayback Machine Now with most of the Federally requred electrics! From Jim Russell Fri Apr 14 07:16:00 1995 Date: Fri, 14 Apr 1995 07:16:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Russell Subject: Steering relay filling... Whenever I have filled this little gem I have always become so frustrated by it that I remove the steering arm and relay top cover. Still frustrating but not quite as bad. Jim Russell ==== jrussell@netcom.com (Seattle -- San Francisco) From Charlie Wright Fri Apr 14 15:22:50 1995 Date: Fri, 14 Apr 1995 15:22:50 +0059 (BST) From: Charlie Wright Subject: Oil Cooling... This is not specific to Land-Rovers, but as a LRO and home mechanic, I know many of you are the kind of down-the-pub inventors and engineers that LR ownership makes you. So here goes. This debate came up shortly after Taylor's military oil-cooler (does it use oil to cool the engine?) question. I asked another tinkerer friend if he saw any reason you _couldn't_ use oil to cool an engine... I mean, IN THE COOLING SYSTEM. Now I know that, of course, you could design an engine to work this way, but I was wondering what the potential pit-falls were, and if there was any really sound reason NOT to try this in (no not my daily runner) a project engine without mods to the system. Now here are my basic thoughts. Big advantages: No corrosion in the system. No need to change seasonally (won't freeze... but thicken?) No incompatibility with fuel/lubricants (ie 'water in the sump') No fear of boil-over (if you boil oil, you've got a problem) Potentially one fewer fluid to carry on long trips. Things to consider/reasons against: Heat Capacity of the oil. Viscosity of the oil. Reactivity of the oil (w/hoses). Expense of the oil. What is needed is: High heat capacity. A lightweight oil. Well buffered/non reactive (don't use old engine oil) Relatively inexpensive oil. I need a chemist to discuss heat capacity. I can look up something simple in Merck Index, but someone in refining/Chem. Eng. might know better. Lightweight oil is available, but would an oil pump labor too hard with just straight 40 weight? I don't know. The oil would thicken in winter, decreasing circulation, but I think two things can be said here. A) There are no passages in a cooling system as narrow as those in the lubrication system, so the variation in viscosity would be less noticable. I think only the heater core and radiator have narrow piping, really. B) When the engine is cold, it doesn't need the cooling: thus you remove the need for a thermostat... Most engine oils, when new, are buffered/modified to protect the engine. I don't think they eat rubber hoses (I hope not judging by the look of my engine bay...) This would be a great improvement on changing the mucky, nasty, coolant full of corrosion from years of neglect and too little anti-freeze. I don't think, given the potential advantages, cost should be a problem. Ethylene glycol isn't cheap as it is, and if you could get away with not changing the coolant for 3-5+++ years, it gets to be like silicone break fluid. Expensive to start with (20 pounds/30 dollars on the outside?) but an infrequent expense. I'd welcome any additional facts/opinions/ideas. Would ATF be appropriate? Mineral Oil? Olive oil? EP90 cut with Diesel fuel ;-) What mods might make it work? New hoses? New oil pump impeller design? Clutch/gear on the coolant pump? If this is viable, why doesn't anyone do it? I can't be the first person to think about trying. Cheers, Charlie C. R. Wright Dept. of Genetics +44 (0)1223 333970 telephone Univ. of Cambridge +44 (0)1223 333992 telefax Downing Street, Cambs. cw117@mole.bio.cam.ac.uk CB2 3EH, England From "Kerner, Robert" Mon Apr 17 12:40:00 1995 Date: Mon, 17 Apr 95 12:40:00 PDT From: "Kerner, Robert" Subject: Spotted I saw two 88's yesterday(Sunday) in Southern Cal. The first one was on Sepulveda Blvd. going towards the Valley at the top of the hill. It was a green one with some rust colored primer on the panels and it was being towed by a van. THe second was a really nice looking white 88. The paint looked close to fresh, at least it looked like it doesn't go off road much. Was that anyone listening to the list? -Rob fork0@smtp.ais.ucla.edu From cpitts@omi.co.uk (Chris Pitts) Tue Apr 18 10:05:55 1995 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 95 10:05:55 BST From: cpitts@omi.co.uk (Chris Pitts) Subject: Bleedin' brakes ! OK....I give up. HOW DO YOU BLEED THE BRAKES ON A LANDIE WITHOUT GOING INSANE ? I've got a LWB SIII, and I've just changed one of the rear brake cylinders. I have now pumped around 2 litres of brake fluid through the system, tried an Easibleed (couldn't get it to seal), jacked up the back by aound 1.5 feet, had a friend of mine actually stamp on the pedal, sworn at it, kicked it AND THERE IS STILL AIR LEFT IN THE SYSTEM ! I _know_ it's in the back part of the system because I can clamp the brake hose halfway, and everything is OK. Any suggestions welcome - I'm clean out of ideas. Frustrated in Ipswich, UK ----------------- Chris Pitts (cpitts@omi.co.uk) Tel +44 (0)1223 518580 Online Media, Cambridge, UK Fax +44 (0)1223 518520 My views only - nothing to do with Online Media! ----------------- tree: n. something which stands still for hundreds of years, then leaps out in front of you as you return from a party. From Franz.Parzefall@Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE Tue Apr 18 09:44:53 1995 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 1995 09:44:53 +0200 (MET DST) From: Franz.Parzefall@Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE Subject: some questions Hi all last friday I could take my first close look at a Land Rover (which means that I was also lying under it). It was 1970 SIIA 88". Now I have some questions which I couldn't solve with the FAQ: *A 1970 car should have black seats, black dashboard and the lights on the wings.Right? This one had all this exept the lights were in the grill.(Just curios about this) *Any opinions about Mercedes Benz Diesels in LRs? *The steering had about 90degr. play. The guy selling the car told me that this could be solved be simply adjusting the steering mechanism. *He, too told me that he changed the oil in the swivel balls to grease, which should not matter with free wheeling hubs and running in 2wd most of the time. He sayed, that he had done so in his 1966 SWB, which he uses for towing wood in the forest for several years with no damage. Even he is running this one mostly in 4wd. In general the car seemed to be in good condition. Yes, there was rust at the frame at some parts, but no holes, just the paint peeling off a bit. He was asking 5000DM (~3600 US$). But I thing I will have a look at some more Land Rovers before I buy one. BTW is there anibody who has a TDI engine in a Serie Land Rover? Yours Franz --------------------------------------------------------------- Franz Parzefall fparzefa@physik.tu-muenchen.de --------------------------------------------------------------- From jimmyp@netcom.com (Jimmy Patrick) Tue Apr 18 00:00:59 1995 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 1995 00:00:59 -0700 From: jimmyp@netcom.com (Jimmy Patrick) Subject: Mabel in Wales, WWW Hi all. 6 days and counting until Mabel and I are reunited! For all of you with www access, take a look at my web page for those snapshots from Wales that I promised. My home page is at: http://www.netpress.com/jimmyp/ Take a look and let me know what you think. About the calendar, I have received some great shots from Dave Place and Bill Maloney. (keep your eyes peeled for return mail guys) If anyone else wants to send some photos, mail them to me at: jimmy patrick 437 University Ave Los Gatos, CA 95030 Nor-Cal-ers, i know we'll have some good shots after the Joe Lucas Mendo Rallye. cheers, jimmyp -- Jimmy Patrick jimmyp@netcom.com From Pete Young Tue Apr 18 09:28:26 1995 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 95 09:28:26 BST From: Pete Young Subject: Returned mail: User unknown paul@frcs.alt.za writes: >I didn't know that Haynes did a 110 manual (I've only seen the It doesn't. I've checked the catalogue. Apart from the workshop manuals, the only 110 manual I"ve found is a servicing guide published by LRO Publications (address in International Land Rover Owner). It costs 10 quid, but I'm not sure it represents good value. The central chapter on what you need to service is solid enough, but much of the rest of it appears to be taken up with advertisements for Castrol, David's Isopon and Kamasa tools! Pete From Charlie Wright Tue Apr 18 09:46:35 1995 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 1995 09:46:35 +0059 (BST) From: Charlie Wright Subject: Re: Oil Cooling... > (scene in a pub) > "Look here.. The engine in my Land-Rover just doesn't leak enough oil now. > What say we modify it so it has the potential to leak literally gallons of > oil?" > "Quite right. Maybe we can get that chap from the Linkage Guild who designed > the Ser I clutch and brake linkages to work on it." Ah, but you miss the simple beauty of my plan. Now _all_ my leaking fluids would be compatible. Fewer spares to carry, no worrys about leaks between fluids, and I could just put a giant drain-pan under the car and re-cycle ;-) Charlie From dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb) Tue Apr 18 14:53:01 1995 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 1995 14:53:01 +0930 (CST) From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb) Subject: filling steering relays Hi Gang, all this talk of topping up steering relays shamed me into action. After what amounted to a minor archeological dig I found the beloved 2BA spanner and set to work. Well actually I just undid one top and one bottom bolt and went inside for a nice plate of pasta and a glass or 3 of red wine... Next mornng the challenge of refilling the damn thing confronted me. Bouyed by the previous nights excesses, there simply *had* to be an easier way.... Then it occured to me.. The biggest problem is getting the oil to the bottom of the unit whilst air comes out the tiny hole at the top.... So why not fill from the bottom! One slightly worn 50ml syringe, short length of vacuum hose, ~ 90-100 ml gear oil and a couple of minutes later.... Full (almost painless) Dont know why I never thought of it before, give it a whirl. cheers -- Daryl Webb (dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au) From EvanD103@aol.com Mon Apr 17 19:50:42 1995 Date: Mon, 17 Apr 1995 19:50:42 -0400 From: EvanD103@aol.com Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Dail... It's been three days since I've recieved the Digest. The last time this happened I was flamed for not reading the notice of an impending shutdown. Did I miss it again? Has anyone rebuilt a 2.25 Petrol fuel pump lately? I ordered a kit from John Craddock, got an aftermarket equivalent of the LR part number AEU2760. It looked fine except that the washers on either side of the pump diaphragm appeared to have been reversed. The original part had the smaller dished washer on the bottom to center the return spring, the new one had this one on top. I complained to Craddock, they sent a Genuine Land Rover kit, albeit made in Turkey. It was made the same way. I called Rovers North and explained my problem. To my pleasant surprise Art offered to pull a kit from their stock for comparison. Theirs was also made opposite that pictured in the manual and opposite the original part. He checked with a coworker who said it should work anyway. I want to believe them, but at the rate my "frame off" restoration is going the parts warranty may expire before I find out!!! Any words of encouragement? Sincerely, Erik van Dyck Stone Mountain, Georgia 1973 Ser III 88" From Tom Stevenson Tue Apr 18 10:30:29 1995 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 1995 10:30:29 +0100 (BST) From: Tom Stevenson Subject: Land Rover Mirrors Ian 90/110 mirrors fit easily onto a SIII and are a big improvement. Not only can you see rearwards better, but they spring out of the way more easily than the old type if you hit a tree or dyke. I think a conversion kit (plus mirrors) cost about 15 quid from the likes of Craddocks. Cheers! -- Tom Stevenson: gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk University Marine Biological Station, Isle of Cumbrae, Scotland Tel:(01475) 530581 Fax:(01475) 530601 From rmodica@east.pima.edu Mon Apr 17 18:05:38 1995 Date: Mon, 17 Apr 1995 18:05:38 MST From: rmodica@east.pima.edu Subject: Missing Digests I have not received the Digest since Friday 4/14. Is it me or thee? From "Steven Swiger (LIS)" Mon Apr 17 21:12:30 1995 Date: Mon, 17 Apr 1995 21:12:30 -0400 (EDT) From: "Steven Swiger (LIS)" Subject: Not receiving any messages Did the list die? Did you kick me off? Can I get back on, without going to digest? Did I say something wrong? Somebody please let me know, I am getting depressed because for days I have not had my roverfix. And with the new one coming, I need it now more than ever. So please, if anyone receives this, write to me and tell me HOW TO GET BACK ON!!!!!!! thnx steve swiger@luna.cas.usf.edu '73 III 88 SW "Moose" From Stephanie Changaris Mon Apr 17 22:13:50 1995 Date: Mon, 17 Apr 1995 22:13:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephanie Changaris Subject: Re: Winch Break-in Granville B. wrote: > We chained the back of my Land-Rover to a tree... I have heard that this can result in damage to the frame, stretching?, and it is a better idea to run a chain or strap under the winch vehicle to the winch mount. I don't know of anyone actually causing any damage but it certainly would avoid stressing the rear member. Than again you did seem somewhat interested in a 90 instead of an 88. > As soon as I started reeling in the cable, it started sucking down, into the > lower layers of cable wrapped on the drum. I would suspect that the gradual "breaking in" process you described would in fact prevent the cable from getting sucked into lower layers but Ben's right you could just start with the heaviest load at the beginning and achieve the same effect. > I'm going to have to > unwind it again and lay those kinks on an anvil and try to pound them out ith a hammer, unless someone knows a better way to remove them. I've got several rigging books as well as wire rope manufacturer assoc. literature at the office, I'll check them and let you know. I'll also get names and phone numbers of sling suppliers as an alternative source for tree straps and snatch blocks. Bruce Bonar D 90, "Spot" From Dixon Kenner Tue Apr 18 09:00:12 1995 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 1995 09:00:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Dixon Kenner Subject: An Easter LRO The LRO mailing-list manage to only do half the Easter routine? From "thomas r. coron" Tue Apr 18 7:26:05 1995 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 1995 7:26:05 EDT From: "thomas r. coron" Subject: Did my Mailer barf?? Since I haven't received any LR mail since friday, I assume that either majordomo has a problem, or I've been dropped because my mailer barfed again. ???????? Tom Tom Coron tcoron@s850.mwc.edu King George,Va. 703-775-4575 '66' IIA 88 RHD From Donald Abbot Tue Apr 18 15:11:56 1995 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 1995 15:11:56 +0200 (GMT+0200) From: Donald Abbot Subject: Unlurking Hi My name is Donald Abbot. I have been rovering since '85. I have two Land Rovers, one a '73 Series II and the other a '72 Series III. Both have had engine transplants. The Series III has a Chev 4.1 with a Fairey overdrive and the Series II has a Toyota Land Cruiser 3F motor with the older gearbox that came out with the 2F motor. I have used these vehicles all around southern Africa including Mocambique, Malawi, Zimbabwe, Botswana, Namibia and Lesotho. Paul, in his reply to Gawie mentioned Autobooks in Randburg. I think he meant Motor Books in Craighall Park. The addresses (taken from the 'phone directory) are: Motor Books 341 Jan Smuts ave Craighall Park Tel.: 880 6352 and Autobooks 602 Rudi Neitz st Vorna Valley Tel.: 805 0708 From jhoward@argus.lowell.edu (James D. Howard II) Tue Apr 18 15:19 1995 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 95 15:19 MST From: jhoward@argus.lowell.edu (James D. Howard II) Subject: WARN hubs I am searching for information about the WARN hubs. The PO of my Land Rover smashed one of them against a rock, so it is very difficult to lock or unlock it. I would like to have some idea of what I am getting into before I dismantle it. James From kirkwood@strider.fm.intel.com (Clayton Kirkwood) Tue Apr 18 13:39:28 1995 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 1995 13:39:28 -0700 From: kirkwood@strider.fm.intel.com (Clayton Kirkwood) Subject: pleading ignorance I have noticed a number of posts regarding Defender 90's. Some include "Tdi". What is the Tdi and is it any different than the "stock" D90??? Also, I finally went and test drove both the D90 and Disco this weekend. Nice experience but the two are definitely different!!! Question: the salesman and various written descriptions allude to both being permanent 4wd with hi and lo ranges *and* lockable center diff. The salesman indicated that although not limited slip, the permanent 4wd is similar (is this related to the spider gears???), and all 4 wheels are being driven all of the time. I asked about what happens when one wheel slips. He said the other three wheels continue to drive. True??? When the going gets rougher, (both in lo and hi) the driver can slip the diff into neutral and it is locked. True??? At this point, he said, one runs the risk of breaking the axles because the wheels are forced to turn at the same speed. True??? Better yet, could someone please spell out what is really going on here. BTW, although for various reasons I couldn't take him up on this, (I think I was getting slimed), the guy started me off with list pricing for both Disco and D90 with some acc.s that I was interested in. I asked if these were firm, "oh, no, we have room to negotiate here". I kept pointing out that I couldn't do anything right now, (the current situation I find myself in has great risk associated with spending money right now) , but he wanted to know what I would offer (we're talking both cars: I want the D90, my wife wants the Disco). I finally said both cars for the price of one (hey, why not???). (With AC, back seat, full rag top, brush guard, tow package and a few other things on the D90, 40K; while the Disco would have tow package, brush guard, leather, 2 AC, jump seats, at, extra roof rack, running boards and a few other things, 43K). He said ok both for 43K, I said no both for 40K (might as well, he said the sales manager that day wanted to make things move). He wrote up a agreement to initial to take to the sales manager. At this point I was thinking that this would be real neat to get both making the average cost 20K loaded. I backed away at the last millisecond because of my current financial risk situation. I really wonder if the would have sold both for such a steal. Thoughts?? Was I being toyed with and they would then move the price up? How is the LR winch that can be purchased? Am I better off going with an aftermarket product? Am I better off getting the seat fabric and getting aftermarket leather or is the standard issue "Connolly" leather top notch? The towing capacities are odd it seems. Same engine and all but the D90 can't tow as much. How come? Also, the capacities off road and in low are in compatible with one another. When in low, I can tow something like 7700 lbs on road, while off road I am severely limited. However, in a more reasonable hi range my towing capacity goes down to something like 5500 lbs. It seems like low range doesn't get me going very fast and therefore is of limited use. Am missing something here? I also noticed that the engine compartment and acc's are very different between the two cars. The D90 uses smaller, lighter acc's like the water pump. Given the limited number of cars built, I would think that they would have identical components whereever possible. -- Clayton R. Kirkwood, FM1-58, 916 356-5838 From "Doug Sackinger" Tue Apr 18 14:56:50 1995 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 1995 14:56:50 EST From: "Doug Sackinger" Subject: another LR movie Saw this on local broadcast TV here last summer White Hunter - Black Heart ( 1984? ) Clint Eastwood is a gonzo movie director (perhaps loosely based on John Huston (?)) that is hell bent on killing an elephant, the shooting of the film being just a vehicle to get him to Africa and into a a variety of LR's - mostly LWB as I recall, one w/o top or windscreen..........also series stationwagon to cart around "stars". Wish I could tell you more, but the LR's were the best thing about it. Is tranmission a bit spotty lately for the digest ? Or is it me ? Doug From "TeriAnn Wakeman" Tue Apr 18 09:34:08 1995 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 95 09:34:08 -0700 From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" Subject: Re: Bleedin' brakes ! In message <199504141735.SAA00170@chunnel.uk.stratus.com> Chris Pitts writes: : : To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net : : OK....I give up. : : HOW DO YOU BLEED THE BRAKES ON A LANDIE WITHOUT GOING INSANE ? : : I've got a LWB SIII, and I've just changed one of the rear brake cylinders. : I have now pumped around 2 litres of brake fluid through the system, tried : an Easibleed (couldn't get it to seal), jacked up the back by aound 1.5 : feet, had a friend of mine actually stamp on the pedal, sworn at it, kicked : it AND THERE IS STILL AIR LEFT IN THE SYSTEM ! Chris, 1. You probably were using too much air pressure on the EZbleed (I assumed you had the seals in place). You want to bleed the tyre you are using to pressure the EZ bleed down to less than 15 pounds. About 10 pounds pressure works best for me. 2. You can always take the LR to a garage and have them do a powerbleed with their equipment. There is one near my house that has a SNAP-ON version that is much better built that an EZbleed but also a lot more expensive. On the positive side is that you have cleaned out your hydrolic system TeriAnn Wakeman .sig closed for remodeling twakeman@apple.com From Mike Fredette Tue Apr 18 09:56:33 1995 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 1995 09:56:33 -0700 From: Mike Fredette Subject: Pacific Northwest Team Trophy Challenge An invitation to all of you who are up for it. The 1st Annual Pacific Northwest Team Trophy Challenge May 20th and 21st, 1995. Two Days - Two 4x4's - Forty Teams Test your off road skills in a competetive event against others. This two day "Team" event should give you a chance to see how well prepared both you and your 4x4's are. Day 1- Teams will be departing at intervals immediately following the 9:00 AM drivers meeting. Order of departure will be determined by a drawing of pre-registered entries on the day before. All late entries will follow in the order of receipt. You will be require to complete two, appoximately 40 mile courses, within a twelve hour period. Each course will have a variety of tasks to perform along the way. You will encounter vehicle obstacle courses, possibly a balance, or Trials section, or winching situation where only one winch can be used for both vehicles. You need to be able to read a Topo map and compass. At times, the passenger/navigator may be required to follow a short map-compass route on foot and meet back up down the road. This first days event will be the most challenging terrain wise. If the rain visits, you will be winching more than once. Day 2- Time Distance Ralley with Tulip style orienteering chart. This course will be challenging in other ways. Teams will leave at intervals as determined by random drawing. Following the route chart, you will follow an unmarked course, trying to maintain set speeds between checkpoints. The winning team will have the best combined score from both days activities. Even if you are not the competitive type, this would be a great opportunity to test your skills in a variety of conditions and activities. - ----NOTE------ This is a limited entry event. We will be accepting a maximum of only forty teams of two vehicles each. Each vehicle will be require to pass a minimum inspection and safety requirements outlined below. What is a Team? A team will consist of Two vehicles which shall have a driver for each and at least one navigator, but no more than four people total for the two vehicles. Vehicle Requirements - --All entries are to be street legal and licensed in their respective states. ORV stickers will be needed where applicable. - --All vehicles must carry road legal liability insurance. - --Hard tops or roll bars are required - --One vehicle must have a working winch with the cable in good condition - --All vehicles must carry a fire extinguisher, shovel, and axe. - --Our safety inspectors will have final say as to vehicle elegibility - --Although we have no size restrictions at this time, keep in mind that some places are very tight. You will be routed around some places if you have a full sized truck or other. Where to go Go east on hwy 26 out of Portland, Or., and take the hwy 6 exit towards Tillamook. The Campground is 3/4 mile west of Lee's Camp, on the right. The only facilities at camp will be port-a-potties. Gas is available 10 miles back at the BP station you passed or down the road in Tillamook. Deadlines Entry forms received before May 13th are $50.00 per vehicle. After that date, please do not mail. Day of event registration $60.00, if we have not reached our limit of forty teams. Refunds will be given up to May 13th. What do you get! Hopefully, one fantastic weekend. As a minimum, we will provide a great lunch on Sunday, while we tabulate scores, a Dash Plaque, and a chance to do some top notch off roading. Great prizes will be awarded to the top finishers. If you would like to participate, email me direct for an entry form. This is your chance to prove that Land Rovers are the supreme 4wd vehicle. rgds Mike Fredette D90, Portland, Or. From "Edward Hoffman" Tue Apr 18 10:33:55 1995 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 95 10:33:55 CDT From: "Edward Hoffman" Subject: Re: Disco transmission & other problems I have not seen any responses to this post. I am new to this mail group, and am very interested in other experiences some of you may have had with the Discovery. I am considering purchasing a '95 US model. Are they generally reliable? Is this just an isolated case? Thanks in advance. Ed Hoffman >To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net >Hi all [ truncated by lro-digester (was 61 lines)] > WWW:http://www.paisley.ac.uk/~spd/paddy.html >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Edward L. Hoffman _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ SANDIA NATIONAL LABORATORIES _/_/_/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ P.O. Box 5800 _/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Albuquerque, NM 87185-0443 _/_/_/_/_/_/ / _/ _/_/ _/ Voice: (505)844-5756 _/ _/_/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ Fax: (505)844-9297 _/ _/_/ _/ E-Mail: elhoffm@sandia.gov _/_/_/ From Guy Arnold Tue Apr 18 08:39:51 1995 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 1995 08:39:51 EDT From: Guy Arnold Subject: Where is the List? What happenned to the List? I have not received the List since last Thursday, April 13. Was there a major crash in the system or is just me? I can't get the day going without my List? It is better than a second cup of coffee. From "Steve Methley" Tue Apr 18 11:12:09 1995 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 1995 11:12:09 +0100 From: "Steve Methley" Subject: Re: Oil Cooling... Charlie says about oil cooled engines: >If this is viable, why doesn't anyone do it? I can't be the first person >to think about trying. Well, no you're not. Any "air cooled" VW relies heavily on the flow of oil to properly maintian the cooling function. -- Best Regards, Steve. From "Rostykus, John" Mon Apr 17 07:54:00 1995 Date: Mon, 17 Apr 95 07:54:00 PDT From: "Rostykus, John" Subject: For Sale: 1981 2-dr Range Rover I'm posting this for a neighbor, down the street: Here's your chance to own the real 'classic' Range Rover: 1981 white 2-door Range Rover 127K miles Velour interior Body straight no rust (especially chassis) Lamp guards $10,000 or offer For more info, contact the owner, Fred at (206) 392-2747 (PST) or me: john@data-io.com. I do not represent Fred or his vehicle, I'm just helping him get the word out. Your best bet is to contact him directly, but if you send me e-mail, I will pass it on to him. Rosty john@data-io.com From "Guzelis.Pete" 17 1995 Apr U 1910 Date: 17 Apr 1995 10:59:32 U From: "Guzelis.Pete" Subject: Disco winches Anyone know Internet address for Rovers North? From gpool@pacific.pacific.net (Granville B. Pool) Mon Apr 17 10:25:28 1995 Date: Mon, 17 Apr 1995 10:25:28 -0700 From: gpool@pacific.pacific.net (Granville B. Pool) Subject: Winch Break-in Fellow LROs, I have a little experience to share. It's about breaking in a winch. I had just installed a brand new Tensen 12,000# electric winch on my Series III 88" Land-Rover (yes, brand new, despite the fact that they have been out of production for several years, now redesigned, back in production, and now called Megawinch). The instructions with the winch explained a break-in procedure that was recommended for improved performance. It did not say that such a procedure was essential or why it was recommended. The procedure involved a series of gradually more strenuous pulls, leading, ultimately, to skidding the vehicle across dry pavement for a distance. I had indeed intended to follow the recommended procedure. I would have had plenty of time to do so before The Prince of Insufficient Light's Mendocino Forest Rallye on 28th April. And I had no plans to have need for the winch's capabilities before that run. But, ah, the best laid plans... Saturday evening, when it was still quite light out, I had kicked off my shoes and sat down to relax for the evening. There was a knock on the door. Melanie, my wife, went to the door. Is Bennett (our 18-year-old son) Home? No. Is his Dad home? Yes. Can we talk to him? Sure. The long and short of it was that a yahoo friend of my son's, from up the road, had just bought a Blazer and proceeded to christen it by letting another yahoo friend get it well and truly stuck, nearby. This Blazer was the full-size variety, about 10 years old or so. It was jacked with about an 8" lift and was adorned with very fancy mag wheels (despite the scroungy bodywork) shod with huge mudder tires (maybe 40-44" o.d.). They had tried to cross a grassy field, between a dirt road and a driveway. The front drive on the Blazer is currently non-functional. Just of its own weight, this beast would have easily gotten stuck just by parking it on this soggy ground, shown by the foot or so depth to which the front tires had managed to get mired. The driven rears tires, of course, were sunk in much deeper, about two feet and change, maybe two and a half, as the axle was really sunk down too. I wanted to try to pull it out with a strap before I unwound my not-yet-broken-in winch cable. No, they said, no use trying that! They had been trying for eight hours to get it out and had had several big trucks try to pull it out, all to no avail. No chance that my light-weight vehicle would have any effect. I knew that. But I didn't want it to be that way. O.K. We chained the back of my Land-Rover to a tree that was across the dirt road from where the Blazer was stuck and spooled out my winch cable to the Blazer. No chance of moving the Land-Rover very far from the Blazer to allow me to have most of the cable played out--the recommended situation for difficult pulls--and so had to just DO IT. As soon as I started reeling in the cable, it started sucking down, into the lower layers of cable wrapped on the drum. This, despite the fact that, when I had first wound the winch cable onto the drum, I had layed it on in neat, tight, evenly-wrapped layers. Damme!! I hated to see this but what was I to do, at this point? I let it go and continued to pull. My winch has a two-speed gearbox, with a 6,000# pull rating at high speed and 12,000# at low speed. Of course, in this situation, I used the low speed. The line pull speed is very slow, even on the outer layers of the drum. I suppose that the pull rating at the outer layer is probably more like 9,000# but still an impressive rating. But this beast was well and truly stuck and pulled my winch motor down nearly to stalling several times. And of course the Blazer was being "driven" too, with spinning rear tires trying to help with the pull. We got the Blazer unstuck. I then moved my Land-Rover to a location where we could reel out all the cable, to survey the damage and rewind it properly. Shit!! Where the cable had sucked into the lower layers, some rather nasty kinks were put into my brand-new cable. I'm going to have to unwind it again and lay those kinks on an anvil and try to pound them out with a hammer, unless someone knows a better way to remove them. What did I learn? Well, I think now I understand part of the purpose of the break-in, to stretch the cable gradually and to reel it in under gradually increasing strain for truly tight and even wraps. And I see, too, that the recommendation for uFrom Roger Sinasohn Sun Apr 16 23:00:17 1995 Date: Sun, 16 Apr 1995 23:00:17 -0700 From: Roger Sinasohn Subject: Re: Painting by hand > popular Series Land Rover colors are: Maybe we should stick this info in the FAQ? I'm gonna need it at some point, and don't want to bug everyone again for it. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California From jimmyp@netcom.com (Jimmy Patrick) Tue Apr 18 19:01:13 1995 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 1995 19:01:13 -0700 From: jimmyp@netcom.com (Jimmy Patrick) Subject: more photos Hi All. I have some more photos on my web site, http://www.netpress.com/jimmyp/ Down at the bottom of that page is a link to more photos by LRO members. right now, that is Bill Maloney. Soon There will be some good snaps from Dave Place. Keep your eyes on that space for shots that have been submitted for the Calendar. (sometimes the pictures are a bit slow, or broken if the ftp server is too busy. keep trying.) jimmy -- Jimmy Patrick jimmyp@netcom.com From JCassidyiv@aol.com Tue Apr 18 19:36:47 1995 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 1995 19:36:47 -0400 From: JCassidyiv@aol.com Subject: Fenders and doors Can anybody tell me the usual way to replace the front panel on a Series IIA fender? The piece seems to be spot welded along the inside edge; do I just drill those out and then rivit the replacement pieces? Also, anyone with bottom door halfs in good shape? How about front fender panels? E-mail me direct with the price if you have any. Thanks, J. Cassidy From cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine) Tue Apr 18 16:39:27 1995 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 1995 16:39:27 -0700 From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine) Subject: Re: pleading ignorance Clayton Kirkwood writes: >I have noticed a number of posts regarding Defender 90's. Some include "Tdi". What is the Tdi and is it any different than the "stock" D90??? Turbo Diesel (Fuel) Injection. Not available in the US. -Michael Carradine cs@crl.com From cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine) Tue Apr 18 16:40:04 1995 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 1995 16:40:04 -0700 From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine) Subject: Re: Bleedin' brakes ! cpitts@omi.co.uk (Chris Pitts) writes: >HOW DO YOU BLEED THE BRAKES ON A LANDIE WITHOUT GOING INSANE ? >I've got a LWB SIII, and I've just changed one of the rear brake cylinders. I have now pumped around 2 litres of brake fluid through the system, tried an Easibleed (couldn't get it to seal), jacked up the back by aound 1.5 feet, had a friend of mine actually stamp on the pedal, sworn at it, kicked it AND THERE IS STILL AIR LEFT IN THE SYSTEM ! One of the newletters here in the US (Rovers North??) indicated that jacking up the Rover actually traps the air in the wheel cylinders and it will be impossible to get the last air out. So, (1) don't jack it up. Then note, that bleeding the brakes is an art done with finesse, and not "stamp(ing) on the pedal". Lots of pumping action, particularily at the wrong moment, will only entrain air in the system and your brake fluid will begin to look like foam. Sooo..., (2) press the brake pedal with a smooth even stroke. Using a can of brake fluid that has been standing near the Rover for several hours to let all the air escape, *gently* fill up the reservoir, being careful not to create bubbles in the stream. place a clear plastic hose over the bleed nipple at the furthermost rear wheel (right rear). The purpose of the hose is to direct the fluid into a container, instead of shooting it all over the undercarriage and flooring [brake fluid will remove paint!], and to "extend" the brake system. The clear hose will give you an opportunity to inspect the expended fluid as it sits in the tube near the valve; and, it will prevent sucking air back into the system during bleeding --at most the expended fluid will return a bit into the brake cylinder. Back to pressing the pedal-- Instruct your helper to begin the stroke and slowly press for a complete full cycle --that is, not a bunch of short strokes, but rather fewer long full strokes at even pressure. As the stroke begins, open the valve and let the fluid pass. Close the valve before the stroke bottoms out, that is, while the stroke is in progress and fluid is flowing into the tube. Continue this process until the fluid runs clear of bubbles. It helps to have your helper announce their action as the strokes proceed. Next, move to the other rear wheel and repeat the process. Then do the front wheel furthest from the reservoir (right front), and of course the last wheel. After this you should have stiff resistance with the pedal about 1 to 2" from top. If not, adjust the brake shoe spacing (actually, this should be done first!!) by turning the adjustment knob until the free wheeling drum locks, and then backing it off until the drum can be turned easily by hand (usually two or three notches, or 1/2 to 3/4 turn). I've always tolerated a certain amount of sponginess or give, especially with new shoes, as long as full resistance is felt somewhere in the middle or 2/3rd of the stroke. On my last brake job (new everything --master and wheel cylinders, shoes), it was hard to keep from flying through the windshield in the top 1/4 stroke --thanks to seatbelts! As a suggestion, replace the Girling brake fluid with silicone brake fluid. Silicone will not entrain air nearly as much as Girling. The silicone is red or purple colored, and you will see the color change as it leaves the clear tubing. Silicone will not remove paint, and it's highly compatible will all rubber parts of your vehicle, as well as the plastic reservoir (on Series III). Silicone will not absorb water --the leading cause of corrosion, and has a much higher tolerance for heat in heavy braking (preferred by racers everywhere!). In theory, it should not take very much fluid to replace the entire brake system. My German Volvo mechanic replaced the entire brake fluid in our station wagon with only *one pint* (I'm not certain if he was referring to the amount of ale in his "stein", or the new brake fluid in the vehicle!). My apolgies for babbling.... Michael Carradine Carradine Studios Tel.510-254-3324 Architect Architecture Development Planning Pgr.510-945-5000 NCARB RIBA PO Box 99, Orinda, CA 94563 USA cs@crl.com Unimog 4x4 WWW page at http://www.crl.com/~cs/unimog.html From Mike Fredette Tue Apr 18 16:04:42 1995 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 1995 16:04:42 -0700 From: Mike Fredette Subject: Pacific Northwest Team Trophy Challenge An invitation to all of you who are up for it. The 1st Annual Pacific Northwest Team Trophy Challenge May 20th and 21st, 1995. Two Days - Two 4x4's - Forty Teams Test your off road skills in a competetive event against others. This two day "Team" event should give you a chance to see how well prepared both you and your 4x4's are. Day 1- Teams will be departing at intervals immediately following the 9:00 AM drivers meeting. Order of departure will be determined by a drawing of pre-registered entries on the day before. All late entries will follow in the order of receipt. You will be require to complete two, appoximately 40 mile courses, within a twelve hour period. Each course will have a variety of tasks to perform along the way. You will encounter vehicle obstacle courses, possibly a balance, or Trials section, or winching situation where only one winch can be used for both vehicles. You need to be able to read a Topo map and compass. At times, the passenger/navigator may be required to follow a short map-compass route on foot and meet back up down the road. This first days event will be the most challenging terrain wise. If the rain visits, you will be winching more than once. Day 2- Time Distance Ralley with Tulip style orienteering chart. This course will be challenging in other ways. Teams will leave at intervals as determined by random drawing. Following the route chart, you will follow an unmarked course, trying to maintain set speeds between checkpoints. The winning team will have the best combined score from both days activities. Even if you are not the competitive type, this would be a great opportunity to test your skills in a variety of conditions and activities. - ----NOTE------ This is a limited entry event. We will be accepting a maximum of only forty teams of two vehicles each. Each vehicle will be require to pass a minimum inspection and safety requirements outlined below. What is a Team? A team will consist of Two vehicles which shall have a driver for each and at least one navigator, but no more than four people total for the two vehicles. Vehicle Requirements - --All entries are to be street legal and licensed in their respective states. ORV stickers will be needed where applicable. - --All vehicles must carry road legal liability insurance. - --Hard tops or roll bars are required - --One vehicle must have a working winch with the cable in good condition - --All vehicles must carry a fire extinguisher, shovel, and axe. - --Our safety inspectors will have final say as to vehicle elegibility - --Although we have no size restrictions at this time, keep in mind that some places are very tight. You will be routed around some places if you have a full sized truck or other. Where to go Go east on hwy 26 out of Portland, Or., and take the hwy 6 exit towards Tillamook. The Campground is 3/4 mile west of Lee's Camp, on the right. The only facilities at camp will be port-a-potties. Gas is available 10 miles back at the BP station you passed or down the road in Tillamook. Deadlines Entry forms received before May 13th are $50.00 per vehicle. After that date, please do not mail. Day of event registration $60.00, if we have not reached our limit of forty teams. Refunds will be given up to May 13th. What do you get! Hopefully, one fantastic weekend. As a minimum, we will provide a great lunch on Sunday, while we tabulate scores, a Dash Plaque, and a chance to do some top notch off roading. Great prizes will be awarded to the top finishers. If you would like to participate, email me direct for an entry form. This is your chance to prove that Land Rovers are the supreme 4wd vehicle. rgds Mike Fredette D90, Portland, Or. ------- End of Forwarded Message From Stephanie Changaris Tue Apr 18 21:17:25 1995 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 1995 21:17:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephanie Changaris Subject: Re: CB Reccomendations (fwd) From LANDROVER@delphi.com Wed Apr 19 00:25:26 1995 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 00:25:26 -0500 (EST) From: LANDROVER@delphi.com Subject: Re: some questions Franz asks... > *A 1970 car should have black seats, black dashboard and the lights > on the wings.Right? This one had all this exept the lights were in > the grill.(Just curios about this) The grill panel and wings may have been changed to an older style by a previous owner. > *Any opinions about Mercedes Benz Diesels in LRs? You're serious, right? Never seen it done.. Here in the US, the older MB diesels are pretty well known for being slow.. Very slow. So probably no-one has tried that conversion here. > *The steering had about 90degr. play. The guy selling the car told > me that this could be solved be simply adjusting the steering mechanism. Could be worn track rod ends too. Get underneath and look at the linkage for play while someone turns the steering wheel left and right. > *He, too told me that he changed the oil in the swivel balls to grease, Probably not too good for the universal joints inside the swivel balls. > He was asking 5000DM (~3600 US$). But I thing I will have a look at some > more Land Rovers before I buy one. The price seems a bit high.. Good luck in your search. Cheers Michael Loiodice E-MAIL landrover@delphi.com 166 W.Fulton St. VOICE (518) 773-2697 Gloversville NY, 12078 1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern) R.I.P. 7 1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol #:-}> 1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol From LANDROVER@delphi.com Wed Apr 19 00:24:51 1995 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 00:24:51 -0500 (EST) From: LANDROVER@delphi.com Subject: Re: Rita scores in England! Uncle Roger Gloats... > She brought me a Britains model Disco! It's a burgandy tdi model, and I > love it. Ha! Prolly one of the only model Discos in the states! 1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol From rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig) Tue Apr 18 23:22:18 1995 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 95 23:22:18 -0500 From: rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig) Subject: NEW stamps Have today received price for new stamp coming out and have placed an order for all those who replied on the net. Anyone else email me and I'll put in another order. Rgds Robin Craig -- Robin Craig, rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca FourFold Symmetry, Ottawa, Ont. | Ottawa Valley Land Rovers From rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig) Tue Apr 18 23:23:47 1995 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 95 23:23:47 -0500 From: rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig) Subject: used Discovery for sale A local dealer has a '95 Discovery with about 24,000 k on it for sale. Undestand he wants 43,900 [canadian $ -wpc] its black with leather, should be an auto, has air plus cd If you need to know more... email me ususal disclaimers etc etc Rgds Robin Craig -- Robin Craig, rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca FourFold Symmetry, Ottawa, Ont. | Ottawa Valley Land Rovers From Stephanie Changaris Sat Apr 15 13:54:48 1995 Date: Sat, 15 Apr 1995 13:54:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephanie Changaris Subject: Re: CB Reccomendations There was dicussion recently about CB Antenna mounting locations for NA spec, i.e. softtop D90's. I have a K40 antenna mounted on a custom bracket bolted into the top swing-away spare tire carrier attachment. Just replace the existing bolt with a longer one and bolt in a short section of angle pre-drilled for the antenna. Painted flat black it blends in with the carrier and works quite well. Bruce Bonar 94 D90 "Spot" From "GAWIE VAN BLERK" Wed Apr 19 08:26:34 1995 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 08:26:34 GMT+200 From: "GAWIE VAN BLERK" Subject: Re: Unlurking Hi Donald > around southern Africa including Mocambique, Malawi, Zimbabwe, Botswana, > Namibia and Lesotho. Let me know when next you are coming down to Lesotho. Would like to try it out in winter. With snow and all that you know. Was thinking of going in at Butha Butha round Oxbow, Mokotlong, down and up Sani Pass and back to Maseru via Thaba Tseka. I did all of this except the Sani Pass part in a VW combi. Got realy scared, but managed to complete it. Must say i turned right at Thaba Tseka and returned via Katse dam as It was getting late and I had to get on some tar or my nerves would have been gone. > Paul, in his reply to Gawie mentioned Autobooks in Randburg. I think he > meant Motor Books in Craighall Park. The addresses (taken from the 'phone > directory) are: Thanks for the numbers. Will phone them now. I can swear I saw a Haynes book on the One-Ten (198? - 1989) somewhere. Maybe somebode can check with Haynes themselves and let us know. Greetings Gawie. Gawie van Blerk Internet : A48462@bfnnfs01.eskom.co.za (work) : gawie@pixie.co.za (home) Tel : 27 51 404 2421 From "S.Vels Christensen" Sun Apr 17 03:20:48 1994 Date: Sun, 17 Apr 1994 03:20:48 -0600 (CST) From: "S.Vels Christensen" Subject: Rover things Hi all. First things first: Thanks to those who responded to my charge problem note. I sanded the terminals and the main wire. I didn't know that a clean battery could be that dirty. Now everything is shining and i'm ready to take Lawrence to a custom car show. A few things happened recently. The month began with a moving operation. My brother's sister in law's boyfriend tried to kill her and she is now living under cover. Unfortunately there was no evidence against him so he is still at large. My brother and i had to empty the apartment and move all her stuff to his mother in law's basement. We moved all the loose stuff first and came back for the furniture. She has a lot of this modern module furniture so with a little shifting and sliding we could use almost all available space in the back. About one cu mm air left :-). The roof rack took nine standard size moving boxes. A 150x200 cm closet backplate was too large to fit anywhere so we tied it to the side. Aurens looked like a real expedition. "Hey- we don't want no gipsies here, go camp somwhere else" ;-). Pain is that they have to build these traffick bumps everywhere. Tuesday this week i was driving my brother to the station in his 88. Of course i snapped an axle on the main street of Lyngby. During the rush hour. When we pushed it to the side for inspection, a bus almost took off the door. We started slowly with the ears in 7'th position and drove to Ballerup where i live to change to my 109. Running late i pushed Aurens trough the rush hour traffic of Copenhagen. On the way home it started to rumble. So either the p-brake springs are lazy or the gearbox is on the way out. I shook the wheels to check bearings but the wheels are firm in place. I'll have to spend the weekend under Lawrence. Also ordered rear springs, 4 shocks, 6 steering balls and some filters and gaskets. 250 punds, just about what i got back from the tax dept. The curent rear springs looks pretty funny right now. All the blades are pointing in separate directions. An example of individualism. Well, the engine is running better than ever and spring(time) is just around the corner. Happy roving. sv/aurens From "David McKain" Mon Apr 17 08:59:36 1995 Date: Mon, 17 Apr 1995 08:59:36 EDT From: "David McKain" Subject: Infection Seems like my office mate is headed to Pittsburgh to look at/purchase a '74 SWB. He has helped me a bit in rebuilding a '66 SWB and, I guess once you get to ride in a Land Rover, the bug can really get you. This will really put Morgantown, WV up in the LR/Citizen ratio if he buys it. As usual, the frame is rotten but he can weld aluminum so, who knows. Another hapless soul. Take care, David McKain 1966 SIIa Petrol mckain@faculty.coe.wvu.edu (304) 599-0120 Morgantown, WV USA From Roger Sinasohn Sun Apr 16 23:00:10 1995 Date: Sun, 16 Apr 1995 23:00:10 -0700 From: Roger Sinasohn Subject: Re: 7.50x16 Radial M&S Tyres I've heard good things about the Radial Rovers from Dunlop, and that's what I intend to end up with all around. In fact, I'm pretty sure that's what's on my 109" at the moment. If you don't want radials, their Triple Trac's are also good. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California From "S.Vels Christensen" Sun Apr 17 03:20:56 1994 Date: Sun, 17 Apr 1994 03:20:56 -0600 (CST) From: "S.Vels Christensen" Subject: Film (movie) Hi I don't remember if the film "Africa Express" was ever discussed on the list. Jack Palance is the bad guy and is seen in a Toyo Landcrasher. Otherwise it's full of Bedford J6 (we used to have them when i was in the artillery 10 years ago) and series Landies of all models and conversions. sv/aurens From "GAWIE VAN BLERK" Wed Apr 19 09:27:53 1995 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 09:27:53 GMT+200 From: "GAWIE VAN BLERK" Subject: LR110 Haynes Manuals Good news to all 110 owners. The Haynes manual for the 110 series will be available by July. I suppose the wil cover all 110, 90, 130 models, V8, Tdi etc ??? Just got this news from Motor Books, Jo'burg. They say it will cost R142.00 as opposed to the R399.95 for the full set of workshop manuals. Greetings Gawie van Blerk --------------------------------------------------------------- Internet : A48462@bfnnfs01.eskom.co.za (work) : gawie@pixie.co.za (home) URL : http://www.pix.za/0/business/bloemfontein/gawie.html Tel : 27+51+404-2421 --------------------------------------------------------------- From Franz.Parzefall@Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE Wed Apr 19 10:16:19 1995 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 10:16:19 +0200 (MET DST) From: Franz.Parzefall@Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE Subject: thanks for your answers Hi all, I just wanted to say thanks for all the answers on my questions about the 1970 SIIA SWB I looked at last weekend. Maybe I'll nerve you again when I look at the next one ;-) Yours Franz --------------------------------------------------------------- Franz Parzefall fparzefa@physik.tu-muenchen.de --------------------------------------------------------------- From "Francis J. Twarog" Wed Apr 19 08:27:39 1995 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 08:27:39 -0400 (EDT) From: "Francis J. Twarog" Subject: Booted?! Have I been booted off the digest?! Would someone kindly email me directly and tell me if they still receive it, since I haven't gotten it since Thursday of last week - that way I'll know if I need to re-subscribe. Thanks in advance... Frank From cpitts@omi.co.uk (Chris Pitts) Wed Apr 19 13:27:23 1995 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 95 13:27:23 BST From: cpitts@omi.co.uk (Chris Pitts) Subject: Re: Bleedin' brakes ! Thanks. Thanks to everyone who replied to my plea for help with bleeding Landie brakes. I've got several things to look at and/or try this w/e (weather/girlfriend/beer (!) permitting) - such as front braking system (ie. being able to clamp the hose halfway and removing the symptoms could be a red herring) more gentle bleeding (literally one slave cylinder at a time !) industrial strength Easibleed double check brake adjustment (there _is_ something odd about one of the adjusters...) etc etc.... I'll let you know how I get on. Chris (now a little more hopeful about retaining his sanity) ----------------- Chris Pitts (cpitts@omi.co.uk) Tel +44 (0)1223 518580 Online Media, Cambridge, UK Fax +44 (0)1223 518520 My views only - nothing to do with Online Media! ----------------- tree: n. something which stands still for hundreds of years, then leaps out in front of you as you return from a party. From terje@tvnorge.no (Terje Krogdahl) Tue Apr 19 14:54:54 1994 Date: Tue, 19 Apr 1994 14:54:54 +0200 From: terje@tvnorge.no (Terje Krogdahl) Subject: Speedo problems Thanks to everyone who pointed out what my speedometer troubles were... It turned out that the rear output flange nut was indeed loose, as a piece of the rubber covered felt seal was jammed between the washer and the flange. When it disintegrated the nut was loose. Terje Krogdahl terje@tvnorge.no http://www.tvnorge.no/~terje/index.e.html 1972 SIII 88" From peter@zditr1.arcs.ac.at (Peter Kutschera) Wed Apr 19 15:58:56 1995 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 15:58:56 +0200 From: peter@zditr1.arcs.ac.at (Peter Kutschera) Subject: Re: some questions Hallo! Endlich mal wer aus der "Naehe"! :) Hi all :) last friday I could take my first close look at a Land Rover (which :) means that I was also lying under it). It was 1970 SIIA 88". Now I :) have some questions which I couldn't solve with the FAQ: :) :) *A 1970 car should have black seats, black dashboard and the lights :) on the wings.Right? This one had all this exept the lights were in :) the grill.(Just curios about this) Mein 1968 SIIA 109" hat die Lichter auch innen. :) :) *Any opinions about Mercedes Benz Diesels in LRs? :) :) *The steering had about 90degr. play. The guy selling the car told :) me that this could be solved be simply adjusting the steering mechanism. Soll er mal vormachen! Schau doch nach, wo das Spiel herkommt. Warscheinlich vom Lenkrelay am vorderen Ende der Lenkstange. Bei meinem LR ist da eine Oeleinfuellschraube, da kann man reinschauen. Bei 90 Grad Spiel wurde ich damit rechnen, dasz da einige Teile lose drinnliegen. Mit Oel wurde ich dort aber nicht rechnen! Ich hatte das Ding unnoetigerweise ausgebaut. Da mein LR 2 Jahre in der Wiese stand neigte er dazu in unvorhersehbare Richtunge zu fahren. Das Problem waren aber die (tja, wie nennt man das?) Lenk-Lager an den Raedern. Lt. Manual sollte so ein Rad mit einigen Kg Zug am Auge der Spurstange zu bewegen sein (aufgehoben natuerlich). Ich hab eine 1.20 Meter lange Stange benoetigt. Jedenfalls war die Lenkstange relativ leicht auszubauen. Ich hab unter dem Ausbuff so ca. 10x10 cm Blech rausgechnitten. :) *He, too told me that he changed the oil in the swivel balls to grease, Hab ich auch gemacht. :) which should not matter with free wheeling hubs and running in 2wd most Ich hab keine Freilaufnarben und aufgrund diverser Warnungen hab ich wieder Oel eingefuellt. Ist wieder Erwarten drinn geblieben! :) of the time. He sayed, that he had done so in his 1966 SWB, which he :) uses for towing wood in the forest for several years with no damage. :) Even he is running this one mostly in 4wd. :) :) In general the car seemed to be in good condition. Yes, there was rust at :) the frame at some parts, but no holes, just the paint peeling off a bit. No holes? Hmmm. Ich hatte auch keine sichtbaren Loecher, aber sobald man etwas klopft oder stochert.... Ich hab dann etwa einen halben Quadratmeter Blech aufgeschweiszt. Seither reichen ca. 400 Quadratzentimeter jedes Jahr. :) He was asking 5000DM (~3600 US$). But I thing I will have a look at some :) more Land Rovers before I buy one. Die Bremsen sind auch eine Ueberpruefung am Pruefstand wert. :) :) BTW is there anibody who has a TDI engine in a Serie Land Rover? :) :) Yours :) Franz :) --------------------------------------------------------------- :) Franz Parzefall fparzefa@physik.tu-muenchen.de :) --------------------------------------------------------------- :) MfG, Peter Signature: http://zditr1.arcs.ac.at/~peter From peter@zditr1.arcs.ac.at (Peter Kutschera) Wed Apr 19 16:20:51 1995 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 16:20:51 +0200 From: peter@zditr1.arcs.ac.at (Peter Kutschera) Subject: Re: How To's Nice idea! (I just had to change a ball bearing in my gearbox.) But i think my english isn't good enough to write an article about this. My main problem are the englich names for all this thinks like gearbox, clutch,.. Is there a Englich-German dictionary for Landrovers available in the net? (I heared about a printed dictonary for saylors: Each item is given in seven or so languages) Peter Signature: http://zditr1.arcs.ac.at/~peter From Pierce Reid <70004.4011@compuserve.com> 19 95 Apr EDT 1911 Date: 19 Apr 95 11:04:47 EDT From: Pierce Reid <70004.4011@compuserve.com> Subject: catching up After 2 weeks our of the office (Internet World and other exciting activities -- *yawn*) it's catch-up time. News... I pick up my D90 this afternoon! I can't wait! Sighting: Who had the Series III I saw driving past at the San Jose airport when I got off the plane last Sunday? It was light green with British plates on it and it was probably the quietest LR I have ever heard... The Bentley parked at the terminal offloading luggage made more noise... Sighting: A Lumber store chain called 84 Lumber that is big in the Midwest has a Range Rover in its promoition... the CEO is pictured in a Ranger Rover. The only way you can tell, though, is that the doorhandle is definitely RR -- no other parts of the car are visible. Finally, anyone from OH or points West going to the BRLRC meet on may 5-7 and want to convoy out? Cheers, R. P. Reid From Andrew Grafton Wed Apr 19 18:22:45 1995 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 95 18:22:45 BST From: Andrew Grafton Subject: How-To's From Andrew Grafton Wed Apr 19 18:56:01 1995 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 95 18:56:01 BST From: Andrew Grafton Subject: Repost : How-To's and Steering Damper Fault I'm going to repost this - vi just went to hell and I think it got posted before I had finished. Sorry for inconveniences. Specific information on 'how to' do a particular job would be great, particularly if any info. includes those little tips you only learn with experience. How about using the LR workshop manuals as a guide and then commenting on the procedure's pitfalls? I'm of the feeling, though, that there is a bit of a lack of diagnostic or troubleshooting guidance - we occasionally see someone ask the list 'how do I remove my engine/steering wheel/rear axle' but more often the problems are in diagnosis of a fault or people requiring general guidance. How about a short how to list aimed at those first-time buyers (Taylor? Ever?) who get their new second/third/fourth hand baby home and then drive it around for 2K miles and don't really know what to check up on. Simple things you need to keep checking before your first catastrophe or major overhaul forces you to learn them! It took me ages to work out what the steering relay _was_, let alone how to fill it. Anyone out there prepared to vet / improve such a list if I prepare a draft? Thought I might do one on "what is wrong with my 2.25 diesel and how do I fix it?", similar to the article entitled "My diesel smokes _a lot_ - what does it mean" on the RoverWeb page, but slightly more specific and including some points not mentioned... Anyone prepared to help? (Mike R?!!!) I can just see this one - My diesel doesn't produce _enough_ black smoke under load; how do I fix it? ;-) A little aside / precautionary tale; My current beast is fitted with a steering damper. Usual cornering technique is gentle but firm pressure on the wheel to take up the 90 degree phase lag between when you start turning the wheels and when the turn actually starts, followed by a firmer push to actually get the thing to go round the corner (all as per the age-old philosophy of never, ever slowing down a 2.25 diesel!)... This time as I applied the hard push, the steering damper ceased to function. Result; Instant 'power steering'. The wheels turned about twice as far as I expected and I thought "oh, deary me" (or something along those lines). Fortunately it was wet and the front tyres are effectively slicks so they just slid. Even so, that's the closest I've come to rolling a Landrover, as the inside wheels lifted. Haven't disassembled the damper yet but will do so to find the fault. It feels like something snapped - not just wear. Made it round the corner but can anyone suggest a good detergent for stained trousers? I guess if I was in the US I could sue someone for the damage to the trousers?! I suppose I should have removed the steering damper for on-road use even if it does wonders for my pectorals :-) Anyone else had this happen? All comments appreciated. All the best, Andy A.J.Grafton@lut.ac.uk From harincar@internet.mdms.com Wed Apr 19 13:16:38 1995 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 13:16:38 -0500 From: harincar@internet.mdms.com Subject: re: How To's Replying to my own posts again... realised a little late there *is* a similar place on the web site - the 'tips' area, but I think there is a lot more discussed here than ends up there (a matter of free time to type procedures and post them, I suppose). I did like the spring bushing thread that was there, as my springs are shot and creak like an old buggy, not to mention the list to the right... There was an interesting discussion last summer on listing and creaking that would be a good addition to the summary on the web. I also liked the short summary on the "Sticky Steering Wheel", since anytime it rains or is real humid mine gets really gross. Anyone know of a leather cover that you can get for it? I asked RN, but they don't stock one, and the ones I see at the department stores only fit wheels up to 18", and I measured mine at 19" (old IIa wire spoke type). Tim --- tim harincar harincar@internet.mdms.com '66 IIa 88 SW From "Tom Rowe" Wed Apr 19 16:53:18 1995 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 16:53:18 GMT -0600 From: "Tom Rowe" Subject: Exchange rate I don't know if this will go through since I haven't received a digest since the 14th, but here goes. If anyone wants the current excahange rates they're updated weekly at: http://gnn.com/cgi-bin/gnn/currency?Britain If you're already on the net it's a quick way to check it out. Tom Rowe University of Wisconsin Madison, WI Four wheel drive allows you to get trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu stuck in places even more inaccessible. Tom Rowe University of Wisconsin-Madison Center for Dairy Research 1605 Linden Dr., Madison, WI 53706 608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578 Home:608-243-8660 trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu From Craig Murray Thu Apr 20 9:00:17 1995 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 95 9:00:17 EST From: Craig Murray Subject: Re: pleading ignorance > Clayton Kirkwood writes: [ truncated by lro-digester (was 13 lines)] > -Michael Carradine > cs@crl.com Actually it is Turbo Direct Injection. -- ============================================================================== Craig Murray | 1955 Series 1 86" LROC of Victoria Australia | 2.25 diesel LROC of Gippsland Victoria Australia | My car is constipated, email: craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au | It has not passed a | thing all day!! From jhoward@argus.lowell.edu (James D. Howard II) Wed Apr 19 17:00 1995 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 95 17:00 MST From: jhoward@argus.lowell.edu (James D. Howard II) Subject: Rochester carb & WARN hubs Many thanks to all you all who responded to my inquiry about WARN hubs. One of you gave me WARN's phone number, so I called them, and they faxed me the drawings and installation instructions. My next query is, how do you, or can you, adjust the mixture on a Rochester carb? At Flagstaff's 7000 foot (2200 m) elevation, it is running way too rich. James jhoward@argus.lowell.edu From "Paul Nash "@tantrum.frcs.alt.za Thu Apr 20 11:02:36 1995 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 11:02:36 +1000 From: "Paul Nash "@tantrum.frcs.alt.za Subject: Re: Tdi > > What is the Tdi and is it any different than the "stock" D90??? > Turbo Diesel (Fuel) Injection. Not available in the US. Actually "Turbo (diesel) _direct_ injection". This is to differentiate it from the earlier 2.5 turbo diesel, which had indirect injection (into a pre-combustion chamber, a'la the 2.25 diesel). The Tdi is allegedly far more responsive and reliable. It'd be hard to be less responsive that a 2.25 diesel (although mine went _much_ better after a rebore, new head, new injection pump, &c -- it could break the 30km/hr barrier, and get all the way up to 94!). It'd also be hard to be less reliable than the 2.5 turbo diesel -- they have a reputation in SA for neading new heads every 30,000km or so (if driven gently -- the military ones were mothballed 'cos with military drivers they needed new heads before they were properly run-in) From ac443@osfn.rhilinet.gov (John Karlsson) Wed Apr 19 21:15:40 1995 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 21:15:40 -0400 From: ac443@osfn.rhilinet.gov (John Karlsson) Subject: Mirrors & Beds I used to have a bed in my 88" SW. Very simple. Two 1/4" bolts on each side fastened through the body capping (using existing holes, rear seats removed) supported a piece of 3/4" plywood cut to fit flush with the top of the box. Another piece of plywood to cover front seat area except for steering wheel rested on the dash in front, but after almost 20 years, I can't remember what supported it at the rear, although it was a regular part of the Land Rover. Only parts required: four 1/4" x 1" bolts, four nuts, two pieces of plywood cut to fit. Sleeps two comfortably, even if not well acquainted. John Karlsson Hope Valley, RI  From ac443@osfn.rhilinet.gov (John Karlsson) Wed Apr 19 21:17:07 1995 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 21:17:07 -0400 From: ac443@osfn.rhilinet.gov (John Karlsson) Subject: Brockhouse trailer I have a 1965 Brockhouse trailer, Type KS 1456, Ser # BT8 16633. Can anyone supply a list of part numbers for brakes, wheel bearings, etc.? I have always assumed that it uses 109 parts, but I really don't know. It doesn't need immediate attention, but since I intend to keep it forever.... Also, I'm in need of a good, weatherproof, bulletproof wiring connector for it. The original was a rubber unit that was reasonably rugged, but it died years ago. Maybe somone interested in military equipment can offer a suggestion. Thanks. John Karlsson Hope Valley, RI  From Lloyd Allison Thu Apr 20 11:28:51 1995 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 11:28:51 +1000 From: Lloyd Allison Subject: home pages I have the following collection of home pages that feature LRs in some way. If anyone wants me to add or modify a link, just say. The collection's URL is http://www.cs.monash.edu.au/~lloyd/tildeLand-Rover/Net/Home.Pages.html Lloyd Dept. of Computer Science, Monash University, Clayton, Victoria 3168, AUSTRALIA tel: 61 3 905 5205 fax: 61 3 905 5146 email: lloyd@cs.monash.edu.au Land-Rover From David John Place Wed Apr 19 21:42:58 1995 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 21:42:58 -0500 (CDT) From: David John Place Subject: Re: Brockhouse trailer I found that putting the wire in a good new piece of rubber not plastic garden hose with RTV or silicone in the end and good fittings worked just as well as any expensive commercial line. If you really want to get fancy, use heater hose with the cloth impregnated core. I bought a full box roll for about $15 for something like 20 feet. Attach it to the frame with clips for co-axial cable or rubber covered conduit clips etc. and you have a professional job. I put my ham radio rotator and co-ax in this type of setup and it lasts for years. Dave VE4PN From FMOTLEY@aol.com Wed Apr 19 23:04:20 1995 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 23:04:20 -0400 From: FMOTLEY@aol.com Subject: Re: #2(2) The Land Rover Owne... Hi all! Just a quick note to let everyone know that if you look carefully in the new movie "Bad Boys," you will see a decent looking Series III 88" Pick-up truck! It's only a mere second glance, but I know you will all see it!! It's good to know that our "Landies" are doing well in Hollywood. Semper Roving, Frank Motley '71 Series IIA 88" '90 Range Rover County From "R. Pierce Reid, OH" <70004.4011@compuserve.com> 19 95 Apr EDT 1923 Date: 19 Apr 95 23:55:32 EDT From: "R. Pierce Reid, OH" <70004.4011@compuserve.com> Subject: Infection David McCain writes: >> As usual, the frame is rotten but he can weld aluminum so, >> who knows He'll have fun welding Aluminum on the frame... LR frames are steel and the two metals don't mix ;-). Cheers, R. P. Reid From "R. Pierce Reid, OH" <70004.4011@compuserve.com> 20 95 Apr EDT 1900 Date: 20 Apr 95 00:01:11 EDT From: "R. Pierce Reid, OH" <70004.4011@compuserve.com> Subject: Translation Peter Writes: >> Is there a Englich-German dictionary for Landrovers available in the >> net? Not that I am aware of on the 'Net but CompuServe has a machine ranslation forum where you can get your messages translated German --> English or vice versa... also to French and Spanish. Guten Tag, GeerBochs Von AxleHausen aka R. P. Reid From "R. Pierce Reid, OH" <70004.4011@compuserve.com> 20 95 Apr EDT 1900 Date: 20 Apr 95 00:11:51 EDT From: "R. Pierce Reid, OH" <70004.4011@compuserve.com> Subject: D90 Awesome -- Thanks LRNA! Well, I picked up my D90 this afternoon. Coniston Green, '94 model with all options, used with 800 miles on it. A bargain to boot. It is one of the most impressive vehicles I have driven. It has the solidity of a Mack Truck (and the driing position) and truly commands the road. Power is amazing... First time I put it in gear I put it in 3rd by mistake. Did not matter, it just drove off. Road manners are impeccable. Cruises at 70 with no problems. Best of all, it is unquestionably a Land Rover. It's noisy, the top rattles, the tire noise drowns out all conversation and you can hear the v8 growl when you give it some gas. It even has an electrical quirk whereby the trailer indicator flashes (just once) whenever you use the turn signals. All these features that no Land Rover enthusiast can live without and that no non-enthusiast can live with (thus the readily available supply of used D90's with a couple of thousand miles on them). Land Rover North America, if you're listening... THANK YOU -- you got everything right with this one! Cheers, R. Pierce Reid '94 D90 (yet unnamed -- any suggestions?) '62 IIa Military "The Sgt. Major" '58 S I Fire Engine (restoration project) From JCassidyiv@aol.com Thu Apr 20 00:50:58 1995 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 00:50:58 -0400 From: JCassidyiv@aol.com Subject: Overseas Parts I know that this question has probably been posed before, but how do I go about ordering parts for my series truck from Britain correctly? Are there any pitfalls that I should avoid? Which companies are most reputable? All I have right now is a Paddock catalog. Sorry if this is old discussion for everyone, but it seems that some parts cost much less overseas. Thanks for the info. J. Cassidy From gpool@pacific.pacific.net (Granville B. Pool) Wed Apr 19 22:24:01 1995 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 22:24:01 -0700 From: gpool@pacific.pacific.net (Granville B. Pool) Subject: Land Rovers Thought you folks might enjoy this letter. Jeff is a local archeologist who admires Land-Rovers: [start forwarded message] August 2, 1988 Gargoyles, Inc. P.O. Box 4189 Bellvue, WA 98009 Dear Sirs (or Madams), Enclosed you will find one pair of glasses which has had it's right lens severed. You may find the circumstances that surround this unfortunate accident entertaining. I purchased the glasses in June of this year to take on a holiday in Africa. The glasses performed flawlessly throughout my photo safaris in Kenya. I left Kenya and traveled to Tanzania were I spent a good deal of time taking hundreds of feet of wildlife footage. While at the Ngorongoro Crater (the largest concentration of animals on this planet) I was filming rhinos, I removed my Gargoyles and placed them in the lower left pocket of my photo vest. The rhinos became agitated and charged the Land Rover. My driver skillfully eluded the deadly primeval beasts, but being the dedicated (and probably a bit stupid) wildlife photographer that I am, I instructed the driver to get in front of them again so that I could film their charge. The driver reluctantly complied, and brought the vehicle about on the rhinos. The wind unexpectedly changed and the rhinos caught our scent, and suddenly 5000 lbs. of primeval fury charged to close the fifteen meter distance. I manned my post and continued to film with my head out the top of the vehicle while holding on to the roof. The Land Rover roared to life and lurched forward just as the largest rhino's horn peirced the left side of the Land Rover and struck the lower left pocket of my vest, thereby breaking my Gargoyles. I doubt that your warranty covers breakage by rhinos. I do trust that you found my escapade entertaining. I do wish to attest to your products superlative design and function. I have enclosed a check (ck #686) for six (6) dollars to cover shipping and handling. Please bill me for any other charges incured in the repair of my Gargoyles. I anxiously await their return. Sincerely, Jeff Hamilton [end forwarded message] From Charlie Wright Thu Apr 20 12:02:57 1995 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 12:02:57 +0059 (BST) From: Charlie Wright Subject: Oil, oil, everywhere. I have a general diagnostic for open-breather diesels (early 2.25). I've run my newer 2.25 since re-build with very little oil leakage (the usual out the bottom), but I just bought a '66 109 diesel with the older breather system. I drove it back to Cambridge from Surrey at a steady 50, and it pulled like a train (compared to my rebuild). A much nicer motor to drive, but I stopped half way home to check fluids, etc, and the heretofore clean engine bay was oil-soaked! I think (judging by the splash pattern) that it's coming out of the rocker-cover breather and being blown by the fan all over the rear engine compartment. It covers the underside of the bonnet from about the breather to the bulkhead, and most parts inbetween. Nothing shall rust. Oil level hasn't fallen dramatically, but it is down from the start of the trip. The motor hadn't made a trip like this in a while, so it was a new problem to both me and the previous owner? Could this be a blocked breather? Other ideas? Pressure leaking past the valves into the rocker cover (ouch)? I was thinking of switching to a closed breather system, but I expect that might just lead to burning the oil instead of spreading it? Thoughts? Cheers, Charlie C. R. Wright Dept. of Genetics +44 (0)1223 333970 telephone Univ. of Cambridge +44 (0)1223 333992 telefax Downing Street, Cambs. cw117@mole.bio.cam.ac.uk CB2 3EH, England From "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com> 20 95 Apr EDT 1905 Date: 20 Apr 95 05:55:04 EDT From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: some questions Peter Kutschera wrote: > Endlich mal wer aus der "Naehe"! I suppose others on the list are too, er, polite to point this out to you, so I'll take it upon myself. First, welcome to the list! But please bear in mind that... das hier eine internationale Internet-mailing list ist, wo englisch quasi "Amtssprache" ist. Wir haben hier Leute aus den Niederlanden, Daenemark, Norwegen, Island... stell Dir vor, jeder breitet sich in seiner Landessprache aus. Auch wenn es schwerfaellt, messages die fuer die *ganze* Liste gedacht sind bitte nur auf englisch, alles andere grundsaetzlich nur als private e- mail. Vergiss nicht, dass alles was Du an die Liste schickst jedesmal von ueber 350 Leuten gelesen wird bzw. gelesen werden muss. Wie gesagt, Du bist hier nicht der einzige, der englisch radebrecht, also nur zu. Ausserdem lernst Du es auf diese Weise. Servus, Stefan - auch aus der Naehe (relativ) From lwte@ngi.no (Lloyd Tunbridge) Thu Apr 20 10:38:53 1995 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 10:38:53 +0200 From: lwte@ngi.no (Lloyd Tunbridge) Subject: Bleeding clutches I've been reading with interest the recent articles on bleeding brakes. Now bleeding brakes has never given me much of a headache - I can do that with only a litre or two of fluid - but bleeding the hydraulic clutch!!!!!!! I came up with one wheeze - a simple homemade pressure bleeder which might help with brakes too (haven't tried it there yet). Take an old hydraulic fluid reservoir cap (the brake and clutch reservoirs are the same on my series IIA) , remove the loose bit inside and drill a hole so that you can fir a tubeless tyre valve in it. Fit it to your reservoir and pump up a little pressure with your tyre pump (don't know what the limit is but mine held with 2 bar). Loosen the bleed valves - hey presto!! Might require some light pumping on the pedal too. Any other tips on bleeding clutches would be welcome. --- Lloyd Tunbridge 1970 Series IIA 109" Safari currently standing without clutch and brakes! From azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) Thu Apr 20 10:10:00 1995 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 10:10:00 UNDEFINED From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) Subject: Removing steering dampers from 90s/110s /I suppose I should have removed the steering damper for on-road use /even if it does wonders for my pectorals :-) They steer like sportscars without teh steering damper - very light steering - no imprecision. And most importantl;y, emergency stops are FAR safer cos the steering automatically centres like a real car. Wit teh damper, it doeesnt quite centre and full bore braking is seriously dangerous witht he thing snaking all over the place as you try to stop it getting away and rolling. Slides are also far easier to catch and control wihtout the damper cos you have instant response with teh steering, instead of the bloody damper refusing to react ot sudden inputs. There are problems tho. Firstly, the steerinr will oscillate badly going over potholes with the inside front wheel under hard cornering (we're talking dumping Golf GiTs here.....), but this is not a big deal and all undamped vehicles with large wradius wheels tend to do it. The REAL problems are that you'll fail your MOT if all the factory fitted bits arent there. And MOST important, if you have an accident, the insurance company will refuse to pay out on a modified but unnotified vehicle. So you could be left having to sell oyur house etc. So, ironically, although removing the damper immeasurably improves tthe on-road handling adn safety, the beaurocrats will shit all over you if you do it. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Just another roadkill on the Information Superhighway +++++++++++++++++++++++ None-%er #1 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From Mike Rooth Thu Apr 20 9:23:41 1995 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 95 9:23:41 BST From: Mike Rooth Subject: Re: Attn: Oily Wad Club members!!! Craig, Sounds like a load of Kangaroo Krap to me.Last time I went to get a 'stat,the guy said he wouldnt sell me a "hot" one,because you dont want to overheat diesels,do you?No sir,says I. I dont know what temp mine runs at,I only know the needle sits in the miggle of the dial when at normal running temp.And the bastard *still* smokes.But,I cant get any *black* smoke.What, I ask fellow Oily Wadders,am I doing wrong?Going uphill,I WANT MY BLACK SMOKE!! I think I shall swallow my pride and buy a tin of liquid engineering and stick the contents in the fuel tank.According to the write ups this should cut down,or eliminate,the boring grey smoke,and give me back my nice black stuff.And if you believe that,you'll believe *anything*.The only question now is what make of super-stick-it- the-tank-and-all-your-problems-will-be-little-ones shall I buy? Wonder if it will run on Light Ale? Cheers Mike Rooth From azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) Thu Apr 20 08:52:02 1995 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 08:52:02 UNDEFINED From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) Subject: Re:Mirrors and Beds /What annoys me is the fact that I was trying to do something similar only I /failed because I was thinking hammock, not bunk. After several failed /riggings, and returning/exchanging 3 hammocks, I gave up, bit the bullet, /and bought the tent. Oh well, I couldn't have checked the Rover as carry /on luggage when I flew to New Orleans for Mardi Gras... I have used a hammmock strung diagonally in my hardtop 90. Unfortunately this wouldnt work in a softop. But theere aree 2 options. Either replace the corner guttter bolts adn windscreen bolts with climbing boltt-hangers and clip your hammock into these. Or thread the hammock ropes out of teh corners of teh lorry adn tie em in the centre of teh roof so the hammock forms a big loop supported by the roof. The latter is more mechanicalllly robust, but more susceptible to rednecks. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Just another roadkill on the Information Superhighway +++++++++++++++++++++++ None-%er #1 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From Franz.Parzefall@Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE Thu Apr 20 09:22:48 1995 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 09:22:48 +0200 (MET DST) From: Franz.Parzefall@Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE Subject: Re: Repost : How-To's and Steering Damper Fault Hi all, I definitly like that how-to idea. > Specific information on 'how to' do a particular job would be great, > particularly if any info. includes those little tips you only learn [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)] > engine/steering wheel/rear axle' but more often the problems are > in diagnosis of a fault or people requiring general guidance. Seems like a good idea. Why rewriting an existing book. > How about a short how to list aimed at those first-time buyers (Taylor? Ever?) > who get their new second/third/fourth hand baby home and then drive it around > for 2K miles and don't really know what to check up on. Simple things you > need to keep checking before your first catastrophe or major overhaul > forces you to learn them! That would be GREAT! That's exactly what I will need when I've finaly managed to get my LR. > Made it round the corner but can anyone suggest a good detergent for > stained trousers? Try 0.5l of petrol and a burning candle ;-) and: Peter Perhaps we could try to do that dictonary together, for I've got the same problem as you. Maybe there is someone else who wants to help. --------------------------------------------------------------- Franz Parzefall fparzefa@physik.tu-muenchen.de --------------------------------------------------------------- From "GAWIE VAN BLERK" Thu Apr 20 08:28:44 1995 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 08:28:44 GMT+200 From: "GAWIE VAN BLERK" Subject: Re: Repost : How-To's and Steering Damper Fault Hi All I could not reach any of the Rover sites on the web after 100's of tries. Would really appreciate a how to section in the FAQ. Maybe just a small comment. How about a tools list before each how to procedure. For example. HOW TO REPLACE WIDGET ON STEERING Tools : 1x 10mm spanner 1x Med Screwdriver 1x Long nosed pliers Consumables : 3 drops 3in1 oil 1 splitpin Procedure: 1. Open bonnet 2. Locate Steering widget to left back of oil filter 3. etc. etc Just an Idea Greetings Gawie van Blerk --------------------------------------------------------------- Internet : A48462@bfnnfs01.eskom.co.za (work) : gawie@pixie.co.za (home) URL : http://www.pix.za/0/business/bloemfontein/gawie.html Tel : 27+51+404-2421 --------------------------------------------------------------- From Donald Abbot Thu Apr 20 09:58:15 1995 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 09:58:15 +0200 (GMT+0200) From: Donald Abbot Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest Gawie replied: > Let me know when next you are coming down to Lesotho. Would like to > try it out in winter. With snow and all that you know. Was thinking > of going in at Butha Butha round Oxbow, Mokotlong, down and up Sani > Pass and back to Maseru via Thaba Tseka. That sounds like a good idea. I have made two trips to Lesotho by Land Rover. The first was when we bought the SIII. It already had the engine conversion and we wanted to test it over a rugged road. We did the trip as you descibed it but leaving Lesotho by going down the Sani Pass. About half way across Lesotho, one engine stradle broke! The alternator prevented the engine from falling right out. Not carrying a spare (yes, we were naive, having only just bought the Land Rover), we tired it up using three spanners and a length of nylon rope. Every ten k's or so, we stopped to check and/or retie. Thus many of the photo's include the Landie with the bonnet up. This, we discovered later, is standard. Not that they have engine problems, but LROs always seem to be surprised that the engine is still there! :-) Donald From azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) Thu Apr 20 08:47:03 1995 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 08:47:03 UNDEFINED From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) Subject: Re: Mirrors and Beds /As for the beds bit. Has anyone come up with a good scheme for two people /sleeping in a SWB? Specifically a soft top with tailgate and preferably in /somesort of weatherproof fashion. We are not the tallest of people (5'5" or /175cmwhichever you prefer) but even so the back is a bit cramped. I spent 3months last winter sleeping in my 90 in the hills. Very comfy. Only gave it up cos of pestering by paranoid farmers convinced I was rustling their sheep. I am 5'10". I used a sunlounger placed along the wheelbox, over the load bulkhead, into the front (with teh seat backs folded down). You could easily do the same on both sides. A good tip for ventilation (tho not aproblem in a soft top....) is to remove the panel under the centre seat, leaving a nice big completely rainproof hole. Put a grill over it or all your valuables will make a bid for freedom in the wee small hours..... +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Just another roadkill on the Information Superhighway +++++++++++++++++++++++ None-%er #1 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From "David McKain" Thu Apr 20 08:56:58 1995 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 08:56:58 EDT From: "David McKain" Subject: A-lume-in-um, Al-u-minium? >>>> As usual, the frame is rotten but he can weld aluminum so, >>>> who knows >He'll have fun welding Aluminum on the frame... LR frames are steel >and the two metals don't mix ;-). My statement was to indicate that he was an advanced welder, not thath the frame is aluminum. Only too well do I know that the frame on a LR is iron oxide, er, I mean steel. David McKain 1966 SIIa Petrol mckain@faculty.coe.wvu.edu (304) 599-0120 Morgantown, WV USA From Mike Rooth Thu Apr 20 14:42:36 1995 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 95 14:42:36 BST From: Mike Rooth Subject: Re: Removing steering dampers from 90s/110s I take your point about MOT shitbags,Andy,but surely the answer is to feign ignorance.Or saw the bloody damper mountings off and file flush.Road crap will soon hide any signs."Steering damper?""Dont ask me,its always been like this as far as *I* know". Then again,I rather thought the general rule was,"If its fitted,its got to work,if it aint it cant be examined". Could be wrong,though. Cheers Mike Rooth From Mike Rooth Thu Apr 20 14:30:59 1995 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 95 14:30:59 BST From: Mike Rooth Subject: Re: Oil, oil, everywhere. Charlie, Thoughts: Stuck rings if it hasnt been used much for a while. Leaky rocker box gasket. Valve guides as you say. Try the least expensive first!! Cheers Mike Rooth From Mike Rooth Thu Apr 20 14:36:23 1995 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 95 14:36:23 BST From: Mike Rooth Subject: Re: Land Rovers > To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net > Thought you folks might enjoy this letter. Jeff is a local archeologist who [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)] > Thought you folks might enjoy this letter. Jeff is a local archeologist who > admires Land-Rovers: Has the advantage of brevity.......... Mike Rooth From Dixon Kenner Thu Apr 20 10:06:40 1995 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 10:06:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Dixon Kenner Subject: Re: Overseas Parts On Thu, 20 Apr 1995 JCassidyiv@aol.com wrote: > I know that this question has probably been posed before, but how do I go > about ordering parts for my series truck from Britain correctly? With lots of detail in the order. Specify the Serial Number on the order, specify in bold, underlined text that it is a North American Dollar Area (NADA) left hand drive vehicle. (important with some parts that you could be ordering). SOme parts, ie light lenses etc are all NLA. Expect the British style to arrive if you order this stuff. Itemise everything with LR part number (even if they have their own numbering system, use the LR system too), their number, quantity and price. Keep it simple for the below minimum wage (they don't have this in the UK) navvy filling the box. Expect them to screw up some of the order. It isn't that uncommon. Parts sources: . Merseyside has a good track record with members of the Ottawa Valley club. They replace stuff promptly, and generally seem to have their act together. . Craddocks has a real shitty record (overbilling, generally the wrong part, refusal to change stuff, refund etc) . Paddock has been used a few times and has about a 50-50 record on sending the right stuff over. (This can be important if you want a front frame piece with horns as one member did & they shipped a rhd front piece) . No one had dealt with DLS that I know of yet. . Bearmach is good & cheap, but they generally don't like dealing with the great unwashed public. For more info, go through the old digests, TerriAnn posted a message on this a couple of months back. Rgds, Dixon From azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) Thu Apr 20 15:10:20 1995 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 15:10:20 UNDEFINED From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) Subject: Re: Removing steering dampers from 90s/110s >I take your point about MOT shitbags,Andy,but surely the >answer is to feign ignorance.Or saw the bloody damper [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)] >fitted,its got to work,if it aint it cant be examined". >Could be wrong,though. I took mine off, and had to put the thing back on before I coulf get an MOT. It seems it's not 'If its fitted', its more "If its fitted as standard equipment by the manufacturer". And teh insurance problem is a killer. Insurance companies nowadays will do anything legal to get out of paying. A missing steering damper gives them all the excuse they need to invalidate your policy, regardless of fault or circumstance. Then the plods can do you for no insurance too if they are sufficiently bloody minded (I am paranoid about insurance companies and plods, because running a motorcycle shows you all their worst points........It's war, and they have all the firepower) I HATE my steering damper. But I'd not take it off, being little more beaurocratically streetwise over the years. Way tooo much risk. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Just another roadkill on the Information Superhighway +++++++++++++++++++++++ None-%er #1 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From ScottFugate_Group1@ctdvns1.ctd.ornl.gov Thu Apr 20 9:24:56 1995 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 95 9:24:56 EDT From: ScottFugate_Group1@ctdvns1.ctd.ornl.gov Subject: Query: Buying a used Range Rover This a solicitation for advice in purchasing a used Range Rover. About three years ago I bought a 1970 Series IIA, which I restored, then I bought a Jaguar, and now I am planning to sell a perfectly dependable, 100% paid for, absolutely adequate Jeep Cherokee and buy another aluminum beast. Am I sick, or what? My budget is $20,000.00. Research has revealed that I should be able to get a pretty good '90 or '91 for that much. I read a submittal a month or so back that discussed (primarily) how to look for drivetrain problems on used Range Rovers. I would appreciate additional input from the RR owners out there on the net on the following topics: 1) Where are likely corrosion spots? 2) Are there any special maintenance requirements at any point in a RR's life? Someone recently told me that he spent $1,200.00 on a "80,000 mile service" for his '89. That seems pretty excessive to me. Thoughts? 3) How many miles can you expect to get from the V8 before a major rebuild? (given maintenance per owner's manual) 4) Any other special areas to look for? I am aware that RR suspensions bushings need to be replaced after a few years. 5) Any merit in saving some money and buying a higher mileage example? Would I be asking for problems? I certainly don't want another restoration project, but I would be willing to do some repair/refurbishment if it could improve the old cash flow situation. Thoughts? I appreciate any input that you can give. Scott Fugate Knoxville, Tennessee Office Voice 615-576-1397 Fax 615-576-9642 '70 IIA 88 From harincar@internet.mdms.com Thu Apr 20 09:11:41 1995 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 09:11:41 -0500 From: harincar@internet.mdms.com Subject: Exhaust musings I spent about two hours last night cutting off the iron-oxide tube that used to be the intermediate pipe of my '66 IIa. *Buyer Beware*: this was a two year old pipe from Atlantic British. About six inches of the pipe had compleatly rusted through along the seam, and the rest was going fast. Also, the nitwit (er, Previous Owner) had had the pipe welded into the muffler instead of bolting them together. At least they didn't damage the flange on the muffler so I should be able to put the new one on without problems. I had considered stainless steel, but I learned this from Rovers North: It seems that the only SS pipes made for Series Rovers have regular steel flanges. So the flanges rot away leaving you with a really nice, worthless piece of SS tubing... At least that's what they told me. OTOH, it was the middle of the pipe that gave away on mine, not the end... For now I just went with the "genuine" pipe from RN, and I'll see how that holds up. The header pipe will probably be next, since it was added at the same time as the intermediate. Got my recommended daily allowence of rust flakes, though... :-) Tim --- tim harincar harincar@internet.mdms.com moore graphic services '66 IIa 88 SW From gpool@pacific.pacific.net (Granville B. Pool) Thu Apr 20 07:25:31 1995 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 07:25:31 -0700 From: gpool@pacific.pacific.net (Granville B. Pool) Subject: Land-Rovers, Rhinos, & Gargoyles Fellow netters, I tried to post a forwarded story, in the form of a letter, from Jeff Hamilton, about a Land-Rover experience. It did not occur to me that, if the letter was in my posting as quoted text, the digester would eat it. At least, from Mike Rooth's and Dixon Kenner's cryptic retorts, this is what I surmise occurred. So here, reposted without the troublesome ">" symbols, is Jeff's letter: August 2, 1988 Gargoyles, Inc. P.O. Box 4189 Bellvue, WA 98009 Dear Sirs (or Madams), Enclosed you will find one pair of glasses which has had it's right lens severed. You may find the circumstances that surround this unfortunate accident entertaining. I purchased the glasses in June of this year to take on a holiday in Africa. The glasses performed flawlessly throughout my photo safaris in Kenya. I left Kenya and traveled to Tanzania were I spent a good deal of time taking hundreds of feet of wildlife footage. While at the Ngorongoro Crater (the largest concentration of animals on this planet) I was filming rhinos, I removed my Gargoyles and placed them in the lower left pocket of my photo vest. The rhinos became agitated and charged the Land Rover. My driver skillfully eluded the deadly primeval beasts, but being the dedicated (and probably a bit stupid) wildlife photographer that I am, I instructed the driver to get in front of them again so that I could film their charge. The driver reluctantly complied, and brought the vehicle about on the rhinos. The wind unexpectedly changed and the rhinos caught our scent, and suddenly 5000 lbs. of primeval fury charged to close the fifteen meter distance. I manned my post and continued to film with my head out the top of the vehicle while holding on to the roof. The Land Rover roared to life and lurched forward just as the largest rhino's horn peirced the left side of the Land Rover and struck the lower left pocket of my vest, thereby breaking my Gargoyles. I doubt that your warranty covers breakage by rhinos. I do trust that you found my escapade entertaining. I do wish to attest to your products superlative design and function. I have enclosed a check (ck #686) for six (6) dollars to cover shipping and handling. Please bill me for any other charges incured in the repair of my Gargoyles. I anxiously await their return. Sincerely, Jeff Hamilton San Jose, CA [end of quote] Hope this makes a little more sense! Granville From Charlie Wright Thu Apr 20 17:04:15 1995 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 17:04:15 +0059 (BST) From: Charlie Wright Subject: Re: Repost : How-To's and Steering Damper Fault On Thu, 20 Apr 1995, GAWIE VAN BLERK wrote: > Maybe just a small comment. > How about a tools list before each how to procedure. > Tools : 1x 10mm spanner Won't find these on our Series beasts... ;-) > Consumables : 3 drops 3in1 oil 1 splitpin > Procedure: > 1. Open bonnet I think that would be fine if we were writing a Haynes manual, but you can buy one of those yourself. The Haynes manual really is good for beginner stuff. I get the idea that a more useful set of 'how to' instructions would really be 'pitfalls and tips'. Fewer ordered instructions and more "it doesn't really work this way.." and "I find a tea-strainer most efficacious" seems appropriate. Then there are the sorts of things that don't come in manuals like which seatbelts fit a series machine and how to build a bed. These could have their own category: Splendid but Unapproved modifications or somesuch. My thoughts... Charlie From Jon Humphrey Thu Apr 20 13:27:23 1995 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 13:27:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Jon Humphrey Subject: FS> New/unused Range Rover If anyone is interrested I just passed the lot at P&W Volvo/ BMW 4801 Baum Blvd. Pittsburgh, Pa. 15213--Phone # 412-682-4800 On their lot is gorgeous (drool) dark green 1995 Range Rover complete with brush bar or bull bar. I only drove past it. I called to see what they wanted for it (asking price) $46,900.00 (cough) Sold for 55+ ? to A.B.Dick Corp. as a company car. Less than 5000 miles on it, and it is immaculate. They felt it was too much car for a company car and are going to sell it and get another BMW for their fleet. I certainly don't have that kinda cash so if anyone is interrested you could probably get it for a good bit less than the asking price. The sales mgr said if they can't sell it they don't know what they will do with it. Just FYI Jon From cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine) Thu Apr 20 11:22:51 1995 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 11:22:51 +0100 From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine) Subject: Re: Land Rovers Granville B. Pool writes: >Thought you folks might enjoy this letter. Jeff is a local archeologist who >admires Land-Rovers: Granville, the letter didn't make it. -Michael Carradine cs@crl.com From cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine) Thu Apr 20 12:17:40 1995 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 12:17:40 +0100 From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine) Subject: Re: Bleedin' brakes ! Charlie Wright writes: >I'm curious about your switch to silicone fluid. I was told by several mechanics (starting with the guy that works on my 2002 back home) that silicone shouldn't be used without draining, flushing with alcohol, and drying the system. Trouble is that the remaining LMA fluid will remain hygroscopic, and any droplets trapped in with the silicone could lead to both spots of corrosion and vapor lock at lower temps than pure silicone would provide. This made sense and seemed to make it imparative to flush and replace in order to benefit from the change. Others have blown compressed air through the system. >What have you been told? Did you take any precautions (fresh LMA first, then silicone) or just pump it in? Well... My brake jobs are usually percipitated by some necessity, ie the plastic reservoir has solarized and cracked, the system won't hold pressure with the pedal near the floor, pulling to one side, etc. In these cases, usually something is taken apart. More than once did I replace the reservoir (in the '72 Land Rover and '72 Triumph) ensuing in the disassembly of the master brake cylinder with a repair kit in hand to replace all essential rubber items, etc. Naively, I'd pry out the plunger to find the inside barrel pitted and corroded beyond recognition, the seals gummed up and disintegrating, and a yellow crystaline structure encaking everything (presumably the old LMA fluid). So, off I'd go to order a complete new master cylinder. These situations don't require precautions of cleaning the system or fluids mixing. The fact is that British rubbers disintegrate even with Girling LMA brake fluid, and your only chance is to use silicone. I've been told that there is NO chemical intolerance between the two types of brake fluid. Naturally, a clean system to start with would be ideal. In replacing old fluid (silicone or just LMA again), I have pumped out almost all of the old fluid in the reservoir, and then started in with new silicone, using long full strokes to replace the amount in the chamber without too much mixing. After that, I'm virtually certain that the fluid in the brake lines to the brake cylinders was replaced 100% by the pumping action with little mixing. Due to the reservoir in the brake cylinders, the fluids mixed somewhat. To eject the old fluid as much as possible my helper pumped the brake cylinders empty, this then caused the new fluid to be drawn into the chamber as much as possible. I inspected the color of the escaping silicone in the plastic tube to the point where I was satisfied that the system had been flushed. I know that on a molecular level there will always be remanants of the Girling fluid, but over time, as more things get replaced or refilled, the fluid will be all silicone. In any event, it's much better for the system than all LMA. >PS your basic bleeding instruction is a good clear account of much of what I learned trying to bleed the 109. You might submit it for the hypothetical 'tips' page we've all been discussing. I'm just a backyard tinkerer and don't profess to "know" anything, much less write FAQ's. I've had to depend on my vehicles to get about, and being short of both time and money, didn't relish the idea of repeating a repair. I think preventative maintenance is the key, with the credo 'Do it once, and do it right'. To that end, as with all simple concepts, the explanations get too involved. I'm almost embarrassed to write so much about very little; but then, the details become the pitfalls. -Michael (Your Mileage May Vary) Carradine cs@crl.com Unimog 4x4 WWW page at http://www.crl.com/~cs/unimog.html From "Lapa, Hank" Thu Apr 20 14:57:03 1995 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 95 14:57:03 EST From: "Lapa, Hank" Subject: Re[2]: some questions Stefan, That's just what I was going to say. ;-) Hank "Doesn't-everyone-speak-Amurikun?" Lapa * * * * * * * * * * * * * Stefan Jacobs wrote: From cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine) Thu Apr 20 14:45:14 1995 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 14:45:14 +0100 From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine) Subject: Re: Removing steering dampers from 90s/110s >/I suppose I should have removed the steering damper for on-road use /even if it does wonders for my pectorals :-) From your earlier post about turning your steering wheel 90 degrees to start your turn, and the damper later breaking, the thing definetly wasn't working properly. Now you'll get to buy a new one and see how they're supposed to work. >They steer like sportscars without teh steering damper - very light steering no imprecision. And most importantl;y, emergency stops are FAR safer cos the .... lots of good information that I disagree with deleted..... >So, ironically, although removing the damper immeasurably improves tthe on-road handling adn safety, the beaurocrats will shit all over you if you do it. The steering might be lighter and more sensitive without a damper. May I suggest however that the rest of the steering system to some degree will now absorb some of the steering shock and in time will be worse off for the wear. The purpose of the damper is to smooth out the handling, all spurious minor shocks will be eliminated and major movement will be translated to the steering wheel --on road and off highway. I would put on a new shock of good quality and check the movement from wheelstop to wheelstop. After almost 16 years with the original shock (it had crapped out totally, I essentially had no shock!), my '72 Series III 88" would start to shimmy at speeds over 50 mph. The tires were aligned as much as possible --for a truck, but the shimmying started an oscillation that forced me to co From Craig Murray Fri Apr 21 9:06:17 1995 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 95 9:06:17 EST From: Craig Murray Subject: Re: Attn: Oily Wad Club members!!! > Sounds like a load of Kangaroo Krap to me.Last time I went to > get a 'stat,the guy said he wouldnt sell me a "hot" one,because [ truncated by lro-digester (was 21 lines)] > Cheers > Mike Rooth Kangeroo crap, thats a new one on me! As for blowing black smoke, I found out on the weekend, that when you get some windup in the transfer case, it really bellows out the black smoke, as the motor is working really hard! so may be you should drive around every where in four wheel drive, so as to get some windup in the transfer case!!!! Only problem with this is that you go even slower up all the hills!!!!!!! But seriously, when I am just driving around on normal roads, the amount of black smoke is very minuet, the only reason I can see it, is because my exhaust exits just behind the drivers door, so maybe it is blowing black smoke, and you just don't know it! -- ============================================================================== Craig Murray | 1955 Series 1 86" LROC of Victoria Australia | 2.25 diesel LROC of Gippsland Victoria Australia | My car is constipated, email: craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au | It has not passed a | thing all day!! From Craig Murray Fri Apr 21 9:07:43 1995 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 95 9:07:43 EST From: Craig Murray Subject: Re: Footy Tips - Round: 4 ++USER;craigp; Round;4;++MESSAGE; ^[[H Craig Murray, Here is the Fixture for the Football Tipping Round 4, Please ^[[7m^[[1mREPLY^[[m to this letter, by filling in the number of the team you think will win at each prompt. The ^[[1m^[[4munderlined^[[m teams are the default selections received if your tips are not entered, they represent the lower-positioned team according to the current AFL ladder. This week's jackpot is $20.00 Results will not be available until Wednesday 26/04/95 Quote of the week (from radio commentator Kevin Bartlett after Gary Ablett had taken a spectacular mark) "Fair Dinkum, he hung in the air like an astronaut's pencil!" Good Luck everyone. Press ^[[1m^[[m to continue : ^[[H (Type the number of the team as your selection.) ^[[1m^[[4mAFL Round #4^[[m ^[[1mFriday 21, April^[[m Game 1) (1) ^[[4mFREMANTLE^[[m v (2) GEELONG : 2 ^[[1mSaturday 22, April^[[m Game 2) (1) ^[[4mST.KILDA^[[m v (2) HAWTHORN : 2 Game 3) (1) SYDNEY v (2) ^[[4mFITZROY^[[m : 1 ^[[1mSunday 23, April^[[m Game 4) (1) ^[[4mMELBOURNE^[[m v (2) FOOTSCRAY : 2 Game 5) (1) ^[[4mADELAIDE^[[m v (2) WEST COAST : 2 Game 6) (1) ^[[4mBRISBANE^[[m v (2) CARLTON : 2 ^[[1mMonday 24, April^[[m Game 7) (1) RICHMOND v (2) ^[[4mNORTH MELBOURNE^[[m : 1 ^[[1mTuesday 25, April^[[m Game 8) (1) ^[[4mCOLLINGWOOD^[[m v (2) ESSENDON : 2 From William Caloccia Thu Apr 20 20:25:01 1995 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 95 20:25:01 -0400 From: William Caloccia Subject: Majordomo Well, as you've noticed that the timing of the digests has been a bit off of late. It seems the latest problem the server is having is related to the real-time-clock. I haven't sorted out if this is the reason that this is hanging, but it is having trouble initializing the RTC occasionally at booting, and before I altered the time, it thought it was four days ago. So the daily digest may not be on-time, but whatever mail is there will get delivered. PLEASE do NOT send posts TO THE LIST asking if you missed a digest, etc. From Craig Murray Fri Apr 21 10:47:51 1995 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 95 10:47:51 EST From: Craig Murray Subject: Re: Footy Tips - Round: 4 Oooppssss!!!!!!! I've done it again!!!!! A thousand million appologies for the wasted bandwidth again!!!!!!!!!! -- ============================================================================== Craig Murray | 1955 Series 1 86" LROC of Victoria Australia | 2.25 diesel LROC of Gippsland Victoria Australia | My car is constipated, email: craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au | It has not passed a | thing all day!! From dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb) Fri Apr 21 10:41:10 1995 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 10:41:10 +0930 (CST) From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb) Subject: Re: Kangaroo Krap ??? Ok somehow I missed the original but Great Uncle Mike writes: > Sounds like a load of Kangaroo Krap to me. Krap? Have you looked at your Kangaroo's do do's recently? Kinda like giant mouse droppings really, Krap is hardly an appropriate description :-) > Sounds like a load of Kangaroo Krap to me. > I think I shall swallow my pride and buy a tin of liquid engineering > and stick the contents in the fuel tank.According to the write ups > this should cut down,or eliminate,the boring grey smoke,and give me > back my nice black stuff. Ah Mike just a little skeptical are we. Actually in some parts of the world some of these additives are really usefull. Particularly the Biocidal ones.. Kill all of the nasties growing in your fuel line and injectors. If you get really serious a can dumped directly into the fuel filter, followed by a major flogging of the motor results in the greatest cloud of white/grey smoke you'll see from a diesel. Afterwards however uch of the black smoke is gone too,.. a poor mans injector o/haul we used to call it. > Wonder if it will run on Light Ale? No No the yeasts will clog the filters! cheers Daryl ( dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au) (Sorry just bored waiting for my gel to run) From ScottFugate_Group1@ctdvns1.ctd.ornl.gov Thu Apr 20 9:24:56 1995 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 95 9:24:56 EDT From: ScottFugate_Group1@ctdvns1.ctd.ornl.gov Subject: Query: Buying a used Range Rover This a solicitation for advice in purchasing a used Range Rover. About three years ago I bought a 1970 Series IIA, which I restored, then I bought a Jaguar, and now I am planning to sell a perfectly dependable, 100% paid for, absolutely adequate Jeep Cherokee and buy another aluminum beast. Am I sick, or what? My budget is $20,000.00. Research has revealed that I should be able to get a pretty good '90 or '91 for that much. I read a submittal a month or so back that discussed (primarily) how to look for drivetrain problems on used Range Rovers. I would appreciate additional input from the RR owners out there on the net on the following topics: 1) Where are likely corrosion spots? 2) Are there any special maintenance requirements at any point in a RR's life? Someone recently told me that he spent $1,200.00 on a "80,000 mile service" for his '89. That seems pretty excessive to me. Thoughts? 3) How many miles can you expect to get from the V8 before a major rebuild? (given maintenance per owner's manual) 4) Any other special areas to look for? I am aware that RR suspensions bushings need to be replaced after a few years. 5) Any merit in saving some money and buying a higher mileage example? Would I be asking for problems? I certainly don't want another restoration project, but I would be willing to do some repair/refurbishment if it could improve the old cash flow situation. Thoughts? I appreciate any input that you can give. Scott Fugate Knoxville, Tennessee Office Voice 615-576-1397 Fax 615-576-9642 '70 IIA 88 From rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice) Thu Apr 20 21:56:42 1995 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 21:56:42 -0500 From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice) Subject: Brakes 'n such Chris Pitts writes: >How do you bleed the brakes on a Landie without going insane? I've made up a few "special tools" and have a few tips. First of all, don't mix Castrol (glycerine-based) fluid with silicone; a complete system flush is advisable first. Silicone is the way to go, though, and well worth the hassle. Two schools of thought: work from the cylinder nearest the master and proceede to the farthest, or vice versa. Each has advantages. (PS, for LHD Rovers, the right front is the nearest because of the crossover/4 way union.) I made a low-bucks pressure bleeder out of a defunct 1 qt. garden sprayer and a spare reservoir cap...it'll fit both clutch and brake reservoirs and precludes the need to find a friend/slave/significant other to work the pedal. Total cost <$2 for a brass hose barb. The factory manuals are specific about the special Girling clamps that don't damage the flex lines. Get some 4" needle-nose vice grips and slip small lengths of 3/8" Schedule 40 iron pipe over the jaws. Now you can clamp off each wheel after it's been bled - no chance of air re-entering that cylinder. This will also indicate which wheel is spongy if you release/test them one at a time when you're done. The bore of the flex lines is rather small, so it doesn't take much to squeeze them shut. Jeff Aronson, the newsletter editor for Rovers North, was in town last weekend; he was teaching some software demo to the local constabulary. Got together with a few of the blokes for malt beverages at Reggie's and on Saturday, cruised out to see Robert Davis' fleet. He's got three (four?) 109's for sale right now, including a Chevy 250 Dormobile that's in Hemmings this month. Jeff is a real nice guy...He'd love to get up on the 'net, but the Info Superslab doesn't extend an hour's ferry ride off the Maine coast quite yet! Cheers. *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----* | A. P. (Sandy) Grice | | Rover Owners' Association of Virginia | | 1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730 | | E-mail: rover@pinn.net Phone: 804-622-7054 (Day) | | 804-423-4898 (Evenings) FAX: 804-622-7056 | *-----------------------------------------------------* From peter@zditr1.arcs.ac.at (Peter Kutschera) Fri Apr 21 06:17:08 1995 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 06:17:08 +0200 From: peter@zditr1.arcs.ac.at (Peter Kutschera) Subject: sorry about the german message! SORRY! I had not seen that 'reply' did also send a copy to the list! SORRY! Peter BTW: See the english-german dictionary at http://zditr1.arcs.ac.at/~peter/LR From "GAWIE VAN BLERK" Fri Apr 21 08:07:51 1995 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 08:07:51 GMT+200 From: "GAWIE VAN BLERK" Subject: Re: Repost : How-To's and Steering Damper Fault Hi Roy > I am in the process of starting to write a manual like > youFrom azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) Fri Apr 21 08:00:29 1995 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 08:00:29 UNDEFINED From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) Subject: Re: Removing steering dampers >[not one ton]. >Presumably they didn't have dampers fitted as standard? No. So you should be fine with that. Not manufacturers standard equipment, so no problem. Of course you are obliged to tell your insurance company when you DO have it fitted or they can invalidate your insurance and refuse to pay cos you have violated the terms of your policy by not informing them of a change to the vehicle. In case anyone thinks I am overstating this, there are a couple of instances where bikers have had their insurance invalidated when they claimed after being run into by cars cos they didnt tell the company about adding STICKERS!!!!!!!! >to the Big Trip down to South Africa. I do prefer driving off road >with a damper fitted - cuts down on shoulder ache. More importantly, you dont break your thumbs with teh kickback from trees or large rocks. I had just got my Landrover, and was parked on the beach having a brew when this opentop 88 pulled up with a hippy driving, and the back full of bimbos. I nearly fell off the roof laughing when he got out and BOTH thumbs were heavily bandaged...... P.S. I am also going to post this reply to the list since the insurance considerations are important. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Just another roadkill on the Information Superhighway +++++++++++++++++++++++ None-%er #1 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) Fri Apr 21 08:07:23 1995 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 08:07:23 UNDEFINED From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) Subject: Re: Removing steering dampers from 90s/110s > The steering might be lighter and more sensitive without a damper. May I > suggest however that the rest of the steering system to some degree will [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)] > spurious minor shocks will be eliminated and major movement will be > translated to the steering wheel --on road and off highway. The damper is predominently aimed at preventing teh yuppie buyers from breaking their silly little thumbs while climbing the kerb to park at Harrods. It is not primarily a road toool. The Series vehicles didnt have one........ > On-highway, same thing, smooth _control_ is more important at high speed. I find steering control on-road FAR better without teh damper since I can apply steering inputs without fighting a huge dashpot. The steering also doesnt center properly with a damper, so you are constantly having to correct for it on a straight road. Complete bloody nuisance. And parking can be done with one finger instead of having to use low ratio to allow the time to heave the steering round against the bloody damper. I >Hate< my damper for on-road use. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Just another roadkill on the Information Superhighway +++++++++++++++++++++++ None-%er #1 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From LTSR48A@prodigy.com (MR JEFFREY BABUKA) Thu Apr 20 21:52:14 1995 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 21:52:14 EDT From: LTSR48A@prodigy.com (MR JEFFREY BABUKA) Subject: help in locating 71 series IIa springs and bulkhead -- [ From: JEFFREY BABUKA * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] -- i am a new subscriber to the lro mailing list and also a new owner of a 1971 series IIa rover which is in much need of front and rear springs and possibly a rebuilt bulkhead. i reside in upstate ny usa and would appreciate any help. thank you jeff >. From dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb) Fri Apr 21 18:21:32 1995 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 18:21:32 +0930 (CST) From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb) Subject: Re:Steering Dampers and series Vehicles. Andy writes: > It is not primarily a road toool. The Series vehicles didnt have one........ I beg to differ, Early series vehicles didnt have one, later ones did. My 67 109 6cyl had a factory fitted steering damper that looked as if it was aftermarket. Great big clamps and brackets bolted on to things. Had a hard time finding a replacement damper as aftermarket "land-rover" didnt fit. turned out to be the same as a Nissan G60. I dont remember seeing a series III without one.... Perhaps it all changed when the swivel pins changed from the cones to railko bushes with less pre-load. > The steering also doesnt center properly with a damper, > so you are constantly having to correct for it on a straight road. If my swivel preload is too high I find this, damper or none doesnt change it. If my swivels are set right then it self centres fine even with a "H/duty" Monroe damper. (hey its bright yellow it must be good :-) As I understand it the steering damper really only comes into its own with severe road shocks. It wont stop broken thumbs, but it does stop the steering gear slamming straight to full lock. For "road shimmy" and small bump kickback the preload of the swivels appears to be much more critical than the damper, at least in my experience. Each to their own I 'spose, but i would go too far without my steering damper. cheers -- Daryl Webb (dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au) From "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com> 21 95 Apr EDT 1907 Date: 21 Apr 95 07:09:45 EDT From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: Translation >> Is there a Englich-German dictionary for Landrovers available in the >> net? >Not that I am aware of on the 'Net but CompuServe has a machine translation ... > ...snip... Yeah, tried that out recently, almost busted a gut laughing when reading the results! Sounds like straight out of Monty Python ("my Hovercraft is full of eels" - "kindly fondle my bum")... Maybe I'll copy a short posting from the digest and put it through the machine translation twice (into foreign language and the result back into english), just for a scream. Believe me, the bandwidth is worth it! Stefan From "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com> 21 95 Apr EDT 1907 Date: 21 Apr 95 07:10:27 EDT From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: Overseas Parts Dixon Kenner replied to JCassidyiv@aol.com : >> I know that this question has probably been posed before, but how do I go >> about ordering parts for my series truck from Britain correctly? >. Merseyside has a good track record with members of the Ottawa > Valley club. They replace stuff promptly, and generally seem to > have their act together. I'll confirm that. Ok, they're not exactly a bargain, but I placed 4 orders with them (by fax) so far, one containing dozens of very special and minute rare parts, and shipment was always prompt, complete and correct. If there were any doubts they would fax back and ask for more instructions in a matter of minutes, in one case on a Sunday afternoon! Once I unwittingly ordered redundant fixings that were already contained in an assembly unit I had requested in the same order. A few hours later they faxed back, pointing this out to me and saying that unless instructed otherwise they would omit those parts from the order, assuming that this was in my interest. *And*, they naturally honor all major credit cards. 'Good chaps', I say. Stefan From "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com> 21 95 Apr EDT 1907 Date: 21 Apr 95 07:11:15 EDT From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: Query: Buying a used Range Rover > 1) Where are likely corrosion spots? No.1 candidate for rust is the rear upper tailgate. If the car was driven regularly in salty winter conditions or kept somewhere by the sea the tailgate frame is likely to disintegrate after as little as 4 years, pre-1989 models being more susceptible to this than the more recent ones. Another 'hot spot' are the front aluminum fender - to - steel bodyshell fixings. The age-old problem: naked aluminum bolted directly to steel with poorly galvanized steel bolts. Dumb, really. The lower part of the radiator is also worth looking at. > 3) How many miles can you expect to get from the V8 before a major rebuild? > (given maintenance per owner's manual) *IF* maintenance was observed religiously (I surmise it rarely is) and the PO didn't have a habit of speeding full-throttle (the one thing the V8 dislikes) an injected Rover (ex-Buick) V8 can still run impeccably after 150,000 miles. In the real world, 80,000 miles might be a limit after which first problems can be expected to occur, first candidates being the servo and/or water pump. As for the major rebuild, the engine will decide and unmistakeably let you know when the time is there (right, Bill?) Stefan From u92drw@ecs.ox.ac.uk Fri Apr 21 13:28:44 1995 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 95 13:28:44 BST From: u92drw@ecs.ox.ac.uk Subject: Power Curve for 2.25 petrol hello lro team... I saw your address on the 'net today in the 4x4 newsgroup and wondered if you could help me. I've got a 1962 SWB SIIA with a 2.25 petrol engine with what I guess must be nigh on 200K on the clock (96K seems a bit low for that age). I'm considering putting some Range Rover diffs on to get a few more mpg out of it, but would like to know what power the engine delivers at different speeds (so I can work out if [putting the diffs on is a good move or not) Also, as I'm planning to get an unleaded head for it, do you know if the engine could cope with a better compression ratio that the 7:1 I've got at the moment? How would that affect the power output? Thanks for anything you can tell me. Sorry I've burst in with all guns blazing so-to-speak. Dan ********************************************************************** * * * * Dan Whiley * If you're going to do * * Engineering Department * something, do it * * Oxford University * properly * * * ********************************************************************** From "Steve Methley" Fri Apr 21 13:48:27 1995 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 13:48:27 +0100 From: "Steve Methley" Subject: Re: Power Curve for 2.25 petrol Dan says: >I've got a 1962 SWB SIIA with a 2.25 petrol engine with what I guess must be nigh on 200K on the clock (96K seems a bit low for that age). I'm considering >putting some Range Rover diffs on to get a few more mpg out of it...... Going from the stock 4.7's to RR 3.54's will seriously overgear you on road: Off road will be well nigh useless to boot. Either go with an o/d (twice the price of RR diffs s/h I know) or see this month's LRW where they talk about 4.3 Kam diffs in a Lightweight - or add another litre and four more cylinders! ;-) -- Best Regards, Steve. From Rick Snyder Fri Apr 21 9:08:11 1995 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 95 9:08:11 EDT From: Rick Snyder Subject: Sleeping in a Land Rover Concerning sleeping in a Land Rover -- I had very comfortable results from constructing a wide hammock which spanned front-to-back on the inside of my Series IIA 88" - comfortably slept two people. One advantage of the hammock is that it stows away very well. The hammock was constructed from canvas. The ends of the hammock were full width, and were folded and stitched to form a tubes where a closet-pole fit through (one at each end). The closet poles were supported from ring-and-eyebolts which where themselves attached to the interior of the cab. At the front of the cab those eyebolts went through the holes which are used to bolt the roof of the cab to the top of the wind- screen (just one on each side of the wind-screen). At the back of the cab I drilled holes on either side of the back of the cab above the back-facing windows. Getting in and out of the hammock was always a bit trickey, but we developed a good technique, and always had a few laughs along the way. This arrangment also allowed my two dogs to sleep on the two rear folding seats while we were in the hammock. Rick Snyder From "Jeff Young" Fri Apr 21 09:33:54 1995 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 09:33:54 -0400 From: "Jeff Young" Subject: Re: Re[2]: some questions i just thought it was a great opportunity to brush up on my german, which is very rusty. :) Jeff Young young@mci.net > Return-Path: LRO-Owner@uk.stratus.com > Received: from transfer.stratus.com (transfer.stratus.com [134.111.1.10]) by ns.mci.net (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA04621 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 1995 16:27:42 -0400 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 55 lines)] > Servus, > Stefan - auch aus der Naehe (relativ) From Robert Smith Fri Apr 21 14:35:58 1995 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 14:35:58 GMT From: Robert Smith Subject: W3 pages in uk Hello all, I have been lurking for about a month or two on this maiingl list and I cannot seem to find a WWW site for Landrover based infomation inside the UK, Is there one? or am I driving up the wrong tree? If there isnt one, or even if there is... I am intrested in developing a collection of pages to landrover infomation and alike, What would you like to see in there? what would make you intrested? I do have my own idears, but I think they could be a bit limited in scope and knowledge on certain areas thanks for reading this, and Email me to tell me your thoughts Rob Smith University of East London Series III LWB (ex MOD) From Dixon Kenner Fri Apr 21 10:06:30 1995 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 10:06:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Dixon Kenner Subject: Re:Steering Dampers and series Vehicles. On Fri, 21 Apr 1995, Daryl Webb wrote: > > It is not primarily a road toool. The Series vehicles didnt have one........ > I beg to differ, Early series vehicles didnt have one, later ones did. My > 67 109 6cyl had a factory fitted steering damper that looked as if it was > aftermarket. ... I dont remember seeing a series III without one.... Never seen a Land Rover here with a factory damper in place. I have seen one with an aftermarket installed, but once it was through destroying the tie rod ends was quickly removed. Just an observation from central Canada... Rgds From "Tom Rowe" Fri Apr 21 09:23:58 1995 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 09:23:58 GMT -0600 From: "Tom Rowe" Subject: Bleeding brakes Chris Pitts writes: >How do you bleed the brakes on a Landie without going insane? I don't remember if he said he changed them, but the flex lines could be contributing to the problem. As they've aged (and especially if non-Girling fluid was ever used) they may be swollen. What happens is that when you apply the brakes the pressure causes the flex lines to expand rather than the full pressure going to the wheel cyl. Also, as I recall, Rover recommends backing off the adjusters as far as they will go before bleeding anad then readjusting them when you're done. Lastly, if it's the CB type master, jacking up the front end will help expell air trapped in the master cyl. Good luck. Tom Rowe University of Wisconsin Madison, WI Four wheel drive allows you to get trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu stuck in places even more inaccessible. From Dixon Kenner Fri Apr 21 11:04:20 1995 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 11:04:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Dixon Kenner Subject: Re: W3 pages in uk On Fri, 21 Apr 1995, Robert Smith wrote: > I have been lurking for about a month or two on this maiingl list > and I cannot seem to find a WWW site for Landrover based infomation > inside the UK, Is there one? or am I driving up the wrong tree? The main LRO web page is in the USA: www.missouri.edu:80/roverweb There is a second good web site at: www.cs.monash.au/~lloyd/tildeLand-Rover Both sites like to each other and to other minor sites with Land Rover information or pictures. Rgds, From Charlie Wright Fri Apr 21 16:09:41 1995 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 16:09:41 +0059 (BST) From: Charlie Wright Subject: Re:Steering Dampers and series Vehicles. On Fri, 21 Apr 1995, Dixon Kenner wrote: > On Fri, 21 Apr 1995, Daryl Webb wrote: > > 67 109 6cyl had a factory fitted steering damper that looked as if it was [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)] > > aftermarket. ... I dont remember seeing a series III without one.... > Never seen a Land Rover here with a factory damper in place. I Neither my '70 nor '66 109's have dampers, and the '66 is very original. Charlie From "Jeff Young" Fri Apr 21 11:23:32 1995 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 11:23:32 -0400 From: "Jeff Young" Subject: Re: Query: Buying a used Range Rover I'm in the same spot, looking for a used RR. and i've found one. problem is that my wife found a brand new suburban for the same price. the rover: '93 County LWB 24k miles the Suburban: '95 GMC SLT (means it's loaded) 70 miles honestly the vehicles have similar features... OK the suburban doesn't "pump-up" when you turn it on :-) I've been dreaming about a LR product for years. I'd be just as happy buying the '65 doormobile in the washington post this weekend. I don't really know if I was looking for such an "upscale" landrover product as the County LWB. but i can't help but feel that if i let my wife buy the suburban, we'll be sorry five years down the road when major systems start to fail. My gut feeling is that we'll have less trouble in five years with the rover even though it will be 7 years old at the time. my wife wants something big, granted the only thing the suburban has over the rover is seating for 9. she's also worried about the "snob factor" We've got two kids, one dog. We'll probably end up with four kids and a couple/three dogs at any one time. we could do some towing (horse trailer). what do i do? (ie. which vehicle?) any RR gotcha's? Jeff Young young@mci.net From Roger Sinasohn Fri Apr 21 07:58:56 1995 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 07:58:56 -0700 From: Roger Sinasohn Subject: Re: Winch Break-in Granny Goose gets 'em loose... I certainly don't know any thing about winching, having never used one, but would it make sense to pick up a pully and attach that to the Blazer, and run the winch cable through it back to your vehicle? Like this... _ _ |---------------------------->>-----------------------_ | _|*____________________________________________________O)=|_ Or would this cut your pulling power in half? Even so, if your pulling power with most of the cable on the spool is only 9000#, and doubling it back gives you 6000#, but without mucking up your cable, would that be worth trying first? P.S., great story, and bummer about your cable! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California From JOHN M MELHUISH Fri Apr 21 17:18:19 1995 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 17:18:19 GMT From: JOHN M MELHUISH Subject: Off Road Event S Wales. APR If Anybody is interested Glamorgan Off Road Club are holding a promotional day for the club April 30 Sunday All Classes Trial 9.00 am RAC rules and Regs stlg15 with temp membership Scenic drive with good views of welsh valleys from 10.30 am stlg10 Site Off the A4063 at Caerau above Maesteg S. Wales. 5 miles north of Junction 36 M4 Put Promotional in subject heading. Everybody and all makes welcome. From johnliu@lainet.com (John Y. Liu) Fri Apr 21 09:44:02 1995 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 95 09:44:02 PDT From: johnliu@lainet.com (John Y. Liu) Subject: Test Post - Disregard I have recently not been able to post or sometimes to receive, hence this test. See, you should have disregarded! :-) From Benjamin Allan Smith Fri Apr 21 10:55:18 1995 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 10:55:18 -0700 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Subject: Re: Winch Break-in Roger Sonasohn wrote: > I certainly don't know any thing about winching, having never used one, but > would it make sense to pick up a pully and attach that to the Blazer, and [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)] > _|*____________________________________________________O)=|_ > Or would this cut your pulling power in half? This would double your pulling power, but halve the speed that you can pull. -Benjamin Smith ---------------- Science Applications International Corporation Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil 1972 Land Rover Series III 88 From "Jeff Young" Fri Apr 21 13:59:52 1995 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 13:59:52 -0400 From: "Jeff Young" Subject: Re: Winch Break-in this doubles your pulling power, but also doubles the work on the winch, right. you pull twice as far. pulleys are a mechanical advantage - if i remember my statics class that's what a block and tackle are all about, lifting large loads with little power. Jeff Young young@mci.net > Return-Path: LRO-Owner@uk.stratus.com > Received: from transfer.stratus.com (transfer.stratus.com [134.111.1.10]) by ns.mci.net (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA17167 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 1995 12:58:11 -0400 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 42 lines)] > sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." > Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates > San Francisco, California From Russell Burns Fri Apr 21 11:19:05 1995 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 95 11:19:05 PDT From: Russell Burns Subject: Re: Winch Break-in Actually this would double your pulling power. Things to remember about winching 1: use as much cable as possible. A drum winch is most effective when the cable is being would on a smaller diameter. 2: always leave at 5 wraps around the spool. This will insure that you don,t pull the cable off the drum. 3: When done winching, rewind the cable under a 1000lbs load. This will help the cable kinks when it is really being used. 4: Be careful. do not stand near a taunt cable. Think about what would happen if the cable broke, of the attached point let go. Russ 91 R-Rover 94 d-90 > To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net [ truncated by lro-digester (was 29 lines)] > Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates > San Francisco, California From Tiyen Miller 21 95 Apr GMT 1919 Date: 21 Apr 95 19:21:11 GMT From: Tiyen Miller Subject: Re: Winch Break-in > this doubles your pulling power, but also doubles the work on > the winch, right. you pull twice as far. pulleys are a [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)] > Jeff Young > young@mci.net Hmm, actually I think the load on the winch would be the same wether or not the cable's doubled back with a block or not providing that it's pulling on the same object. Without a pully, the winch pulls at twice the rate, but with half the strength as it would with a pully. Either way, it winds up (bad pun) doing the same amount of work. (let me apologize in advance for my doubtless bungling of physics terminology--but you get the idea...) Well, someone's bound to explain this simple bit of physics with authority at some point anyway, but there's my stab... :) Laters, Ty -- ______ __/__ __/ ____ ________ ________ / / / / / /________ Tiyen D. Miller ________ (__ (__/ / / /________ millertd@psycho1.bham.ac.uk ...And so you say, "ok, the bridge or someplace--later." From ritter mark c <70472.1130@compuserve.com> 21 95 Apr EDT 1914 Date: 21 Apr 95 14:38:47 EDT From: ritter mark c <70472.1130@compuserve.com> Subject: Atlanta club meeting The newly formed and very informal Atlanta Land Rover club had a very successful meeting last night. In attendance were 3 D-90s, 1 D-110, 1 '92RR, 2 S11 109's, 2S111 88's and my 94 Disco. One of the 90's was a factory metal hardtop, an another sported an ARB winchbumper and front and rear airlockers. We did some ride planning and talked about the upcoming British Car Day at Chateau Elan in north GA. For any interested LR owners in the area please contact me at 404-643-9504. Our meeting are every third Thursday at Sonny's BBQ on Alpharetta highway between Roswell and Alpharetta. From cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine) Fri Apr 21 11:51:07 1995 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 11:51:07 +0100 From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine) Subject: Re: Test Post John Y. Liu writes: >To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net >I have recently not been able to post or sometimes to receive, hence this test. See, you should have disregarded! :-) Depending in his mood, MajorDomo does not echo messages by the sender... I should say, it varies sporatically, sometimes yes, sometimes no. I've sent stuff to lro@team.net and had others reply within the hour (I'm on real-time!) without seeing my own post. Then at other times it echos my message to me. Anyway, seeing or not seeing your own 'test' message is not conclusive proof that he's on the job! Michael Carradine Carradine Studios Tel.510-254-3324 Architect Architecture Development Planning Pgr.510-945-5000 NCARB RIBA PO Box 99, Orinda, CA 94563 USA cs@crl.com Unimog 4x4 WWW page at http://www.crl.com/~cs/unimog.html From "Russell G. Dushin" Fri Apr 21 15:39:40 1995 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 95 15:39:40 EDT From: "Russell G. Dushin" Subject: Re:Steering Dampers and series Vehicles. > For "road shimmy" and small bump kickback the preload of the swivels appears > to be much more critical than the damper, at least in my experience. Here, here. Never got rid of mine (Nigel's) 'til we went the Railco bush route.....no damper required. rd/nigel Bored waiting to run a column. From Mike Fredette Fri Apr 21 12:42:04 1995 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 12:42:04 -0700 From: Mike Fredette Subject: Pacific Northwest Team Trophy Challenge I haven't gotten any responses to this yet so I'm wondering if it got lost when Majordomo was sick, soooo An invitation to all of you who are up for it. The 1st Annual Pacific Northwest Team Trophy Challenge May 20th and 21st, 1995. Two Days - Two 4x4's - Forty Teams Test your off road skills in a competetive event against others. This two day "Team" event should give you a chance to see how well prepared both you and your 4x4's are. Day 1- Teams will be departing at intervals immediately following the 9:00 AM drivers meeting. Order of departure will be determined by a drawing of pre-registered entries on the day before. All late entries will follow in the order of receipt. You will be require to complete two, appoximately 40 mile courses, within a twelve hour period. Each course will have a variety of tasks to perform along the way. You will encounter vehicle obstacle courses, possibly a balance, or Trials section, or winching situation where only one winch can be used for both vehicles. You need to be able to read a Topo map and compass. At times, the passenger/navigator may be required to follow a short map-compass route on foot and meet back up down the road. This first days event will be the most challenging terrain wise. If the rain visits, you will be winching more than once. Day 2- Time Distance Ralley with Tulip style orienteering chart. This course will be challenging in other ways. Teams will leave at intervals as determined by random drawing. Following the route chart, you will follow an unmarked course, trying to maintain set speeds between checkpoints. The winning team will have the best combined score from both days activities. Even if you are not the competitive type, this would be a great opportunity to test your skills in a variety of conditions and activities. - - ----NOTE------ This is a limited entry event. We will be accepting a maximum of only forty teams of two vehicles each. Each vehicle will be require to pass a minimum inspection and safety requirements outlined below. What is a Team? A team will consist of Two vehicles which shall have a driver for each and at least one navigator, but no more than four people total for the two vehicles. Vehicle Requirements - - --All entries are to be street legal and licensed in their respective states. ORV stickers will be needed where applicable. - - --All vehicles must carry road legal liability insurance. - - --Hard tops or roll bars are required - - --One vehicle must have a working winch with the cable in good condition - - --All vehicles must carry a fire extinguisher, shovel, and axe. - - --Our safety inspectors will have final say as to vehicle elegibility - - --Although we have no size restrictions at this time, keep in mind that some places are very tight. You will be routed around some places if you have a full sized truck or other. Where to go Go east on hwy 26 out of Portland, Or., and take the hwy 6 exit towards Tillamook. The Campground is 3/4 mile west of Lee's Camp, on the right. The only facilities at camp will be port-a-potties. Gas is available 10 miles back at the BP station you passed or down the road in Tillamook. Deadlines Entry forms received before May 13th are $50.00 per vehicle. After that date, please do not mail. Day of event registration $60.00, if we have not reached our limit of forty teams. Refunds will be given up to May 13th. What do you get! Hopefully, one fantastic weekend. As a minimum, we will provide a great lunch on Sunday, while we tabulate scores, a Dash Plaque, and a chance to do some top notch off roading. Great prizes will be awarded to the top finishers. This event is kind of unique for the US, we don't have many competition style 4wd events, unlike Europe and the UK with their ARC events going on seemingly every weekend somewhere. If you would like to participate, email me direct for an entry form. This is your chance to prove that Land Rovers are the supreme 4wd vehicle. rgds Mike Fredette mfredett@ichips.intel.com D90, Portland, Or. ------- End of Forwarded Message From "Anthony J. Bonanno" <75034.3062@compuserve.com> 22 95 Apr EDT 1915 Date: 22 Apr 95 15:07:10 EDT From: "Anthony J. Bonanno" <75034.3062@compuserve.com> Subject: Rancho shocks for LR IIA 88 Michael, Just a quick note to let you know that I installed the Rancho Shocks two nights ago on my 71 IIA 88. They fit perfectly and it appears that the ride and handling have improved considerably. These were the Series 5000 shocks that you recommended. For others who may be reading this, the Rancho part numbers were 5163 for the front and 5169 for the rear. I special ordered them through Pep Boys here in Santa Fe and they charged me 42.95 each plus tax. Sounds like I saved about $10.00 per shock compared to some other vendors I've heard about. I didn't order the Rancho Steering Stabilizer, although they advised me that the complete kit, part number 97435, would be approx. $ 55.00. I had already installed a NAPA SC-2912 steering stabilizer shock (approx. $ 33.00 through local NAPA parts outlet). The NAPA stabilizer appears to be an economical replacement for folks who already have the bracket, etc. in place from an earler installation as # SC-2912 didn't come with a bracket - just bushings, nuts, and shock. I suspect there is a complete kit version available.. All for now, Tony Bonanno From dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb) Sat Apr 22 13:33:09 1995 Date: Sat, 22 Apr 1995 13:33:09 +0930 (CST) From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb) Subject: Re: Steering Dampers et al.. I wrote: > > I beg to differ, Early series vehicles didnt have one, later ones did. My > > 67 109 6cyl had a factory fitted steering damper that looked as if it was > > aftermarket. ... I dont remember seeing a series III without one.... Dixon replies: > Never seen a Land Rover here with a factory damper in place. I > have seen one with an aftermarket installed, but once it was > through destroying the tie rod ends was quickly removed. Just > an observation from central Canada... It would appear that this may be a geographical thing doesnt it. I presume that none of your rovers have a dirty great mount for the steering damper as part of the relay to swivel steering rod. Hey I'll find out the part number and you can ask Lanny at rovers north to get some for you :-) (wouldnt this be fun with Taylor!) cheers -- Daryl Webb (dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au) From "Lapa, Hank" Fri Apr 21 12:48:48 1995 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 95 12:48:48 EST From: "Lapa, Hank" Subject: Birmabright All, Question about the aluminum skin, trade name Birmabright, of L-Rs: Is this alloy sheet of consistent composition throughout its cross-section, or is there a thin pure/near-pure aluminum layer on one or both faces, as with American "Alclad?" The difference, of course, is profound when considering mechanical methods of old paint removal, unless one is fortunate enough to have inexpensive access to processes using plastic blast media, frozen CO2, xenon flashlamp, etc. Another Birmabright question: Is the skin of modern L-Rs the same Birmabright as on my old Series car? If different, how? Lastly, Birmabright trivia: Some of the specialty fasteners used in the construction of RMS Queen Mary were made of Birmabright, this from a 1930s advert I recently saw offered in a catalog. Perhaps I should have purchased this ocean liner collectible as a pseudo-Land-Rover collectable! Hank From rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig) Sat Apr 22 13:44:38 1995 Date: Sat, 22 Apr 95 13:44:38 -0500 From: rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig) Subject: winching / anchoring Somebody the other day was asking about how to anchor a vehicle that had a front mounted winch from the rear. The question was asked by a D90 owner if i remember correctly. My first comment is that anyone with current spec LR products should be using JATE rings as standard in placement of the fl;imsy little tabs that are bolted to the frames. I beleive that the part number is RRC3237 and they should be fitted front and rear in pairs. If you are going to anchor a winch vehicle from the rear it is far and a way better that you make up a bridle to attach to each JATE ring at the rear and meet the main cable / chain about 10 / 15 feet behind your vehicle. This has the effect of reducing the effect of the load wanting to bring your two frame rails together, and distributes the load evenly on the frame. Of not e here is that caution should be exercised when hooking up like this as you should get the load, the winch vehcile and the anchor ppoint in a straight line. If you dont the sideways forces can move your vehcile into a straight line. Most Rover recoveries are done with a flurry of action and lots of speak and shout and bravado. Good recoevry is planned, disccussed, controled and executed. I have had quite some experience in seeing good recoevry techniques as taught in the forces and some really shabby and downright dangerous stunts done by civiies. Take the time before getting stuck to understand the limits of the equipment you have and how best to use it. It is always a bad sign when you see the winch operator removing the remote cable from the factory shrink wrap in the forest!! Seen it, he'd never used it before. A winch should really come with some hands on intruction when you buy one. If you need some good reference for winching and recovery you cant go wrong by ordering The second edition of The Land Rover Experience by Tom Sheppard from your local Land Rover dealler. The part number is stc8755 and IS AVAILABLE IN NORTH AMERICA contrary to what most dealers say!! Remember, when done properly winching takes time but cause no damage to vehciles and people. Shoddy winching / recovery jobs go wrong very quickly and can kill very easily. Be smart, do it properly. rgds Robin Craig -- Robin Craig, rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca FourFold Symmetry, Ottawa, Ont. | Ottawa Valley Land Rovers From rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig) Sat Apr 22 14:10:25 1995 Date: Sat, 22 Apr 95 14:10:25 -0500 From: rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig) Subject: Land Rovers for sale I have two D90 Britains toys for sale. Both are boxed and in just about mint condition. They are getting in the way right now and are surplu to my needs. Offers please to me by email direct rgds Robin Craig oops On is yellow British Telecom, the other is the green / crean farm one -- Robin Craig, rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca FourFold Symmetry, Ottawa, Ont. | Ottawa Valley Land Rovers From Spenny@aol.com Sat Apr 22 11:15:43 1995 Date: Sat, 22 Apr 1995 11:15:43 -0400 From: Spenny@aol.com Subject: ignition diagram needed does anyone have a diagram for the leads to the ignition/key switch for late 2A? these arent the barrel type as on the early IIA. none of the diagrams show the key switch my problem is that the ignition will only start the engine when i let go of the key, not when i turn it to the right, only after i turn it to the right and then release it, and it moves back to the left. Rgds... Spenny Spencer K. C. Norcross Spenny@aol.com Haverhill, Mass. USA 508-521-4093 ===--===---===---===---===---===---===---===---===--=== 1969 IIA SWB - The Wayback Machine Now with most of the Federally requred electrics! From Roger Sinasohn Fri Apr 21 19:12:40 1995 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 19:12:40 -0700 From: Roger Sinasohn Subject: Re: How To's Peter has a good idea... > Is there a Englich-German dictionary for Landrovers available in the net? > (I heared about a printed dictonary for saylors: Each item is given in > seven or so languages) Was someone compiling an English-American glossary? (Or was that on Compuserve?) If so, perhaps we could add German, French, whatever other languages are represented here. It would be an invaluable reference for linguistically challenged overlanders! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California From JDolan2109@aol.com Sat Apr 22 06:52:35 1995 Date: Sat, 22 Apr 1995 06:52:35 -0400 From: JDolan2109@aol.com Subject: S IIA Liftgate: Install Have all the parts, and wish to put liftgate on a IIA hardtop. My question(s) pertain to the headliner and the rear valence (same material as headliner). It is obvious that this piece above the door opening must be removed. 1) Must headliner be removed first? I understand it is glued in place, and I wonder about it's integrity after removal. Is it re-installable? 2) Can rear valence piece be removed (I would accept not intact, i.e. 'cut-out', if necessary), without removing headliner? 3) Will the hinge mechanism interfere with the headliner after installation? If this is the case, then any hints about maybe avoiding or minimising this? The ideal end result would be liftgate and headliner, both. With Vermont winters here, I wish to preserve any insulating qualities that exist. And the current headliner has no rips. Thanx for any advice. See 'ya on the old road... Jim '61 88" SW / OD, 1 Bbl weber & 16's (econobox?) LR...quite possibly one of the best machines yet devised! From rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice) Fri Apr 21 20:35:43 1995 Date: Fri, 21